Wake-Up Call: The Backfield Minus Bryce

Bryce Brown
LeSean McCoy
got the Buffalo backfield stirring a bit by suggesting Bryce Brown would be the Bills starter come opening day.

As the Buffalo backs fight it out this summer, the new-look Eagles grouping has some sorting out of its own to do — at least as far as sharing the load is concerned.


McCoy led the league in rushing (1,607 yards) in 2013. He also was tops in the NFL in carries (314) and overall touches (366). Brown was second on the team with 75 rushes for 314 yards (4.2 avg.). Chris Polk ended with 11 carries for 98 yards. The disparity can mainly be attributed to McCoy's prowess but, as the Pitt product enters his sixth NFL season, all parties appear open to lightening McCoy's burden.

Brown was shipped north for a conditional pick on Saturday. The Eagles will either receive a third or a fourth-round pick in return (depending, oddly enough, on the output of receiver Stevie Johnson.) That appears to be solid value for a former seventh-round selection who showed flashes as a rookie but did little to distinguish himself last season in Chip Kelly's offense.

"It's just we kind of had a log jam so to speak at running back," said Kelly.

Darren Sproles is expected to be the primary reserve. The former Saint, though, is viewed mostly as a pass-catching back. The nine-year vet carried the ball just 53 times last season but had 71 receptions for New Orleans.

Chris Polk averaged close to nine yards per carry and scored three times in his limited action. He underwent offseason shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum but is expected to be ready for training camp.

Matthew Tucker -- a second-year back out of TCU --  is also in the mix, and appears to have some fans in the Eagles' front office.

 "We really like  Tucker," said Kelly. "I think he's another guy as we continue to develop was on the practice squad. Got him to the active. Came to camp. He's probably in the best shape of any of the backs right now and is really pushing for it. So we felt like if that can get us something as we go forward, we felt it was a positive move."

The tidbit about Tucker being in great shape is noteworthy, particularly given that he failed a conditioning test prior to the start of training camp last July.

Relief for McCoy may very well come on passing downs. Sproles had over 600 receiving yards this past season, including a pair of touchdowns. Polk, in contrast, had just four catches out of the backfield last season but averaged almost  nine yards per tote. Look for Sproles to gobble up a bunch of snaps on passing downs, while Polk (assuming health) can be a nice change-of-pace back.

Meanwhile, it will be interesting to track the rest of Brown's career to see what comes of it.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Sheil with a high-quality no-22 look at why the Eagles drafted Josh Huff.

After exiting the draft without offensive line help, the Eagles are reportedly considering veteran Daryn Colledge. 

A round-up of Eagles draft grades courtesy of Mr. Kapadia.

Kelly on the benefit of having seen many of these prospects up close on the collegiate level.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

The Eagles come in ninth in ESPN's post-draft power rankings. 

The offense is looking pretty good, but is drafting fourth-rounder Jaylen Watkins enough to improve the pass defense? Philly allowed a league-worst 289.8 pass yards per game last year.

As for the rest of the division, they have the Giants ranked 19th, the Cowboys 22nd and Washington 28th.

Rich Hoffman wonders how the personnel changes this offseason might influence how the Eagles operate.

The Eagles used [the three-receiver, one tight-end] formation 71 percent of the time last year on first-and-10. A quick look did not reveal anybody in the league close to that number, other than Denver at 66 percent...

But now DeSean Jackson and Jason Avant are gone, and Jeremy Maclin and Matthews are in - different players, skills and levels of experience. We all wonder how it's going to work without Jackson's super-speed element in the offense, but Matthews' size offers some red-zone possibilities that did not exist before. Then there is the fact that Matthews' college specialty is also a local favorite: Chip's beloved bubble screen, which is the rubber baby buggy bumper for a new Eagles era. Still, we don't know until we see it. Which makes you wonder: Will three wideouts still be the signature?

COMING UP

Much more from over the weekend to get to.

 

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  • NickS1

    For all we all talk about trying to trade Graham for a pick next year, which would be very low, would it make more sense to have him eat a roster spot to try to get the compensatory pick for letting him walk, which may end up being a couple/few rounds higher? Just a thought. Not sure how compensatory picks are determined exactly.

    • Malcolm Jones

      I think so…..BG had some moments toward the end of the season. He was also learning to be a OLB in a 3-4 after being good in the 4-3 in 2012 and appeared happy to stay (twitter)….maybe theres something to that

      • NickS1

        thought most of his moments were in the nickel, though. I don’t think he’s content, and with Cole, Barwin, Smith, Braman, Long, and Kaddu already in the mix, I’d be asking for a trade or release. Unless he comes to camp in ridiculous shape showing strides in his movement/ability to play OLB and not just DE in the nickel, hard to envision him here.

      • shady25

        Yeah that’s true. It took Robert Mathis a year to adjust to the 3-4 also. You see what he did in his second year. I think everything depends on what Travis Long can do. If he can play, then there is no need to keep Graham.

    • travis papa

      At this point I don’t understand trading Graham at all other than ppl just saying it to say it. Cole is 32 what if a freak accident happens and he blows out a knee in camp? I love Marcus Smith and his upside but I don’t want to go into the season with him as the starter without him earning it. I would also hate to have that little depth again in case a 32yr old gets nicked up. If Graham was going to get traded it would have happened during the draft. As of now expect him to play out his contract and likely move on.

      • anon

        casey matthews! but you have a good point

      • oreofestar

        Graham would free up a bit of space and he brings depth but I think people do not want to burn a roster spot and lose Long or Kaddu or Goode or someone just to keep Graham around until he inevitably leaves I am thinking a Howie player for player trade in camp

        • travis papa

          We actually lose space cutting or trading Graham not much so it would be cap neutral. Long is literally a long shot to make it in the nfl period. I’d be happy to see kaddu get a shot seems like the right type of athlete with measureables. Braman was brought in for ST solely and a last resort if barwin goes down. I don’t think we want to keep 3 like last yr I think 5 is more realistic. Graham can get after the qb and play in space when given the opportunity just think of his open field tackle on Witten at the end of the yr was huge. I say we keep at least 4 probably 5 barwin Cole Smith Graham with a camp battle between braman kaddu and long. Kaddu and long end up on PS. We should also look at moving Cole bc he actually does free up cap space and is 32 and won’t be here next yr either. Probably provides more trade value with a restructured contract than Graham ever could at this point anyhow.

          • aub32

            Cole looks much better in space than Graham, and he plays the run better. Both players are gone next year. So I would roll with Cole, who at 32 doesn’t have much trade value. I doubt Graham would even start over Smith at this point. He’s not as versatile, and that’s all we heard about from the players drafted.

          • anon

            Crazy 32 YO career 43 DE has an easier switch to 34 OLB than a near-rookie.

          • aub32

            My guess would be that the injury and subsequent surgery Graham had his rookie year eliminated any chance of him being an effective OLB. His height doesn’t help much either.

      • NickS1

        Well, we have Braman, Long, and Kaddu all back there as well. Braman was brought in as OLB depth to play ST, so that’s your 4th spot. Cole, Barwin, Smith, Braman, with Long in the mix likely as well. Depth isn’t the concern. Keeping a square peg in a round hole while having about 5-6 others already competing for spots is. I’ll be shocked if he’s on 53 man roster at end of preseason. Certainly not saying it just because it’s fun.

        • shady25

          I think you’re right. I think Marcus Smith dresses on game days if he can prove he can play special teams. We all know Cole, Barwin, Braman are dressing. I think they would like to have that guy who can play inside and outside because of the game day numbers. That was Casey Matthews last year. Our was that out of necessity? We didn’t have anybody else but this year we do. If Smith and Long can prove they can play special teams, then they dress. That’s 5 OLB’s dressing (Cole, Barwin, Smith, Long, Braman). I think Graham has the leg up because he played ST’s last year, but these guys will be given every chance to prove they can make it.

          • NickS1

            You’re not not dressing your 1st round pick. They don’t dress him then that’s the worst 1st round pick ever.

          • shady25

            Lol. I agree. He has to dress. So then that’s 4 OLB’s. I think that might be it because Jason Phillips is back now and he is a ST guy. So you might see more ILB’s dressing on game day.

          • NickS1

            Phillips is a ILB, right? If so, you got him, Meco, Kendricks, Goode, Knott, and Acho all fighting it out. Man, this is getting tough to wittle down. Think Acho is gone, Knott to practice squad since he will Knott be dressing for the first 4 games. Who knows? It’s only man.

          • Eagles1018

            I personally don’t want to see any of these dudes undressed so……

      • shady25

        If Long and Smith are making strides in camp, I can see them cutting their losses and trading Graham for a low pick to a 4-3 team. Those other guys fit and have the length that Chip wants. Graham has already had a chance to show what he can do and he can’t play in space. If these guys move in space like we are hearing, then there is no room for Graham.

  • jmkrav

    I think a player-for-player trade for ILB depth makes the most sense.

    What teams out there have recently switched from 3-4 to 4-3? They could use BG as an end and might have a similarly valued ILB on the roster?

    Is Houston staying 3-4 with Clowney?

    • NickS1

      Think Houston runs a 1-gapping 3-4 hybrid type deal that allows the ends to pass rush and not eat blockers.

      • Dominik

        The Texans were a 34 one gap defense under Phillips. But now Romeo Crennel is running the show. I don’t know that much about him, though. I think he’s a 34 guy, but he made a name out of himself for Belichick and NE is running those hybrid looks.

        • shady25

          I think Romeo is an old school 2-gap 3-4 guy. That’s why they drafted Nix and i think another big guy. You have to let J.J. Watt do his thing though and that’s attacking. Think the other 2 linemen and OLB will be responsible for run first. Clowney and Watt go straight for the QB. Damn that’s scary.

          • anon

            Line is crazy — their linebackers are good if they can stay healthy. Secondary is supect, but that’s ok given how their line looks. Crennel would be silly if he didn’t move to a hybrid scheme — to much DL power.

            Although making WATT 2-GAP might lower his stats enough that you don’t have to pay him a stupid deal.

          • aub32

            You still have to pay him based on past production. I’m pretty sure the guy isn’t going to agree to a discount because the team is too dumb to know how to use him. If anything, he’ll charge more.

          • shady25

            I think Romeo will scheme around what his players can do. I hope so anyway. Better not try to turn Watt into a 2-gap

          • aub32

            That would be a shame and a waste. If he even suggests such a thing, I hope BOB sends him packing. I’d love to be the Texans DLine coach this year. I would have the shortest meetings in history. Each meeting I would just walk in with a picture of the opposing QB and say, “KILL!!!”

          • Dominik

            Makes sense. But also speaks for those Hybrid Belichick Defense. ;)

          • shady25

            That’s what the smart DC’s do. You make your defense multiple playing to your players strengths.

          • Corey Dawson

            JJ Watt doing his thing is why I think they have to run the Hybrid. You have to let him attack, which means 1-gapping. 2-gapping is read and react on the run side, which slows the pass rush from the guys doing that.

            If I remember right, with the Belicheck Hybrid, you have the nose tackle 2-gapping. On the one side, you have a run stopping DE 2 gapping and an OLB pass rushing (Clowney’s strength) like in a 3-4, on the other side, you have a 3 tech tackle 1 gapping (Watt), and a DE (edit: this guy is officially a OLB) bringing pressure against the pass and setting the edge against the run like in a 4-3. Of course you switch things up a lot in order to confuse the offenese, but that’s the base premise.

            One switch up? Jump Watt to Clowney’s side of the nose tackle and now Clowney becomes the pass rush DE instead of the pass rush OLB and you have a whole lot of scary coming at you from that side. That’s just one possibility, but they’re endless depending on the ability of the other players and the scheme ability to cover the holes that pop up from moving guys around like that. Good offenses try to counter that confusion created by moving guys around like that by autoballing into something to attack those holes.

        • Corey Dawson

          Yeah, he’s a Belicheck guy and they run the hybrid that is 2-gapping 3-4 on one side and almost a 1 gap 4-3 on the other side. I imagine he’ll do the same in Houston with those D-Line weapons as long as there’s a big talented nose tackle to ancor the middle, which seems to be the key to running that hybrid. Grantland had an awesome write up on it at one point.

          • Dominik

            They probably think Nix is this big talented nose tackle. :)

    • Richard Colton

      all I know is the Texans D-line is sick. They had an amazing draft. Great approach & got lucky with who fell. Jags did too. That division became relevant overnight.

      • shady25

        Atleast relevant defensively, the offenses are a little behind. Even the Colts struggle to score points sometimes.

      • aub32

        Are the Jags and titans actually relevant? Jags picked up a QB but don’t even intend for him to play. They will likely be starting 2 rookie WRs, and who is running the ball there? The Titans lost more than they gained this offseason if you ask me.

        • shady25

          Titans are a couple years away. Jags are atleast one year from winning atleast 7 games and that is a major leap for them. Texans have no QB and the Colts are inconsistent.

          • aub32

            You think the Colts are inconsistent? IDK. They are pretty consistent when it matters. They chopped down some of the biggest teams last season. SEA, DEN, KC, SF- that’s quite the resume.

          • anon

            too bad they couldn’t catch those guys in the playoffs — straight beat down.

        • Richard Colton

          To contend for playoffs? no. I’m looking forward to watching both teams play this year, something I wouldn’t have said last year. Here’s why:

          A) Gus Bus year two with the Jax defense – they took C.Jones and Telvin Smith late. Two guys I think have playmaker potential with the right scheme and coaching. “DO YOUR JOB!!!!”
          B) Bortles airing it out to the ARob and Lee.

          C) Louis Nix eating up blockers while JJ Watt and Clowney make lives miserable for QBs.

          • aub32

            O I wasn’t including the Texans as not being relevant. Did you watch the pro bowl? I think we got a glimpse of what Watt will do next to another super stud DE. I fear for Foles even with our O line. Tony Romo is going to die in Texas.

          • Richard Colton

            I’m getting a little giddy imagining Watt/Clowney going high/low on Tony Romo. Sure, the Dallas O-line got better. Tyron is the best LT in football right now. Their interior line got better with Fredricks and (now) Zack Martin. That right side is suspect though. I’ll take the Texans Dline on paper anyday.

          • aub32

            You think Smith is better than Peters right now? I’d still take Peters now that he’s 2 years removed from the injury.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah, I do, and it pains me to say it because Jason Peters is my favorite Eagle. Their line is scary good and scary young. Too bad it’s wasted on Romo.

    • shady25

      Buffalo is now a 4-3 team. Jim Schwartz (Mr. Wide 9!) is there new D.C..

      • knighn

        Oh boy. My In-Laws (Bills Fans) are not going to like that!
        Although, to give some credit to Washburn / the Wide 9: it’s not Washburn’s fault that Head Coach loved shrimps in the front 7 and picked a totally inexperienced Defensive Coordinator to try to put it all together.

        • shady25

          Yeah, that was all on Andy. The wide 9 works if you have the right players. Just like any other scheme

          • aub32

            We had the right players. Our D line lead the league in sacks in year one. Our back 7 were just poorly coached.

          • shady25

            Was a bad fit with the coaches. Should have just hired Todd Bowles from the start.

          • knighn

            Also wasn’t Washburn’s fault that Nate Allen hadn’t yet figured out tackling, Kurt Coleman was one of the Safeties, and DRC and Nnnamdi acted like tackling would give them cooties. Also Nnnamdi got really old and slow… and was totally over-rated… and ate lunch in his car… and still managed to land Kerry Washington. I hear he’s a nice guy, though.

      • jmkrav

        I could see Brandon Spikes or Manny Lawson having some value to the eagles. BG for one of them might make sense. Schwartz obviously is familiar with Graham.

    • Eagles1018

      Unfortunately the first team that switched and popped into my head is the cowboys

      • aub32

        They need their ILBs though. It’s only a matter of time before Sean Lee goes down again.

        • Richard Colton

          fragile and overrated.

          • aub32

            I was talking about Sean Lee, not DeMarcco Murray….O my bad you were referring to Lee

  • Malcolm Jones

    Give me some redzone packages with Ertz, Matthews, Cooper, and Celek and shady…7 will be the end result. I would also like to see Huff and Sproles in the backfield with DeAnthony Thomas like plays. Even Give me Ertz and Matthews on the outside and Sproles and huff playing inside and shady in the backfield….who are you covering?

    • JosephR2225

      None of those. Just hand the ball to Murderleg and watch as opponents quiver in fear while he walks into the end zone.

    • shady25

      I feel you man. Pick your poison. This offense is going to be much better in year 2. I’ll give you another name, A. Benn. If we get anything out of this guy this year, you can add him to the redzone mix.

      I’m a little concerned with the backup RB position though. I felt comfortable with Bryce Brown in there. Not so sure about Polk, well see though.

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      • Corey Dawson

        I’m there with you on Benn. This spread offense is going to be nasty if you have 2 slot wideouts that like to throw some blocks. Linebackers better keep their heads on a swivel.

        • IG:blkboyflyy

          Huff & Matthews will be destructive in the slots. Even without Benn, I would prefer young and less injury history.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I feel you on Benn I was waiting all last offseason after we signed him to see if he could contribute then we ran into all those acl injuries and he was one of them. I was heartbroken.

      • andy

        I like Polk. Thought he was better than Brown in his limited snaps. Gets North/South and runs like he wants to hit someone.

        • morganc

          Especially a good fit when you consider Shady’s elusiveness, and Sproles shiftiness / quickness. Perfect combo / compliment to have a north south short yardage effort thumper…

  • Richard Colton

    If Polk can maintain that 9 yard-per-carry average, we might get more than a 4th rounder for him.

  • Will

    I think the Eagles gave up to soon on Bryce Brown….

    • oreofestar

      I simply think the compensation was too great to say no too I truly believe they had no intention of moving him but a 3rd or 4th for your backup is nice just wish we got Seastrunk instead or Reynolds

      • Will

        Great compensation for a 7th rd flier still think he has a shot at being a special back in this league…

      • anon

        “So we felt like if that can get us something as we go forward, we felt it was a positive move” — I’m taking this to mean they were looking to get rid of him — who know’s how far back that goes.

        • oreofestar

          I do not think they were, I think they wish they could let go of Graham I think Bryce was somebody that had some value to them but not as much as what the Bills were offering so he was gone

    • Philly0312

      Disagree. Crowded backfield. No way Brown’s value increases unless McCoy gets hurt and Brown actually beats out Polk (which I wouldn’t have expected) and saw a lot more carries. His value was his value. Hell, Faulk was traded in his prime for a 2nd round pick. If we get a 3rd out of this, it is a complete steal.

      • Will

        I don’t even want to think about this team with an injured McCoy…yikes…

        • Richaud Jeaffreson

          The sideline quivered in fear every time he got the ball.

      • aub32

        Even with BB listed as the #3, I think he would have been a better option than Polk if Shady missed a significant amount of time. Polk is a good compliment, because he’s very different from Shady. However, he’s not as talented as BB.

    • shady25

      I agree. I think he could have been coached up to run more north and south. But then again maybe he was and would still try to bounce it outside. I think Sproles will run the ball more than we think. Need to see what’s up with Matthew Tucker too.

    • aub32

      He was never going to see a good amount of snaps if everyone stays healthy, and his value is going to decrease the further away we get from his 2 games in 2012. Buying low and selling high is a good way to do business.

      • Will

        hey can’t argue they got great value from the Bills….

    • Corey Dawson

      I don’t know. We have Shady as the starter and barring and injury to him, Brown was only ever going to get 30% carries MAX, and that’s if he started really showing up. Coaches lost confidence in that happening, so he’s likely just a 10-20% carry back. A 3rd/4th rounder can get you a starter.

  • anon

    If Andre Johnson leaves the Texans anyone think he’d be worth trading for? Is that conditional 3/4 enough do you think — or too much?

    • oreofestar

      as long as he has that salary forget about it

      • anon

        Yeah i forgot about that.

        • oreofestar

          like 15mil a season

        • NickS1

          If they could rework that deal I’d love it. The key is in the guarantees. He’s another one who would greatly benefit from some time with Huls.

  • IG:blkboyflyy

    Over/Under Bryce Brown starts day one with Bills?

    • oreofestar

      I say he ends up not starting

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I say he has more ceiling left than both at their current levels, I say he starts after week 5.

        • anon

          Both are really injury prone so wouldn’t be surprised

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            That’s why I said week 5. Haha specifically with their whole division getting tougher in the trenches.

          • Richard Colton

            the nice thing is, we don’t have to hold our breath hoping he plays well, just Steve Johnson.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Haha right about that but I always liked this brown a hell of a lot more than our old Ronnie brown.

          • aub32

            Please don’t mention that name. I still have nightmares from that pass that never was.

          • anon

            HAHA the season that never was.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            -_- definitely my face after he tried to throw.

          • Richard Colton

            one of the worst plays in Eagles history. I’d put it right up there with

            #1 Rich Kotite’s “decline the penalty and punt”
            #1a Chris Bonial misses chip shot field goal vs Dallas on MNF
            #1b Bryce Paup breaks Randall’s leg, ending Superbowl hopes

          • aub32

            replace the word Eagles with NFL

    • Joe L

      With over/under you’re supposed to give some sort of number to base it off of.

      I say 0%

      • oreofestar

        in that case 25%

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        Not particularly, seeing as how I worded it automatically states that it’s 100%. Meaning you would have to take the under which most people would with C.J. Spiller & Jackson back there.

    • Will

      Spiller and Jackson are both quality backs not gonna be easy for Bryce to crack that line up…so 33% chance he starts..

      • oreofestar

        it boggles me when guys like Sankey and Hyde are going late 2nd why anyone would give up a 3/4 for a 3rd stringer

        • IG:blkboyflyy

          The draft doesn’t operate like it used to. Front offices have finally stopped caring about what others think about who they pick in what order as long as they fill holes in the roster with talent. Not only that but teams are also adopting the theory & practice that you need role players too not just super stars to push your team to the next level.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        Very much so… However age and touches are factors. Both have way less tread than BB

        • NickS1

          you mean way more tread, right?

          • Will

            no Bryce has more tread or less wear and tear…

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Thank you, I swore I said it right.

          • NickS1

            Yup. Misinterpreted. Haven’t had second cup of coffee yet.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            I haven’t had any this week bad start…

          • NickS1

            I’d be in real bad shape if I had none all week.

          • NickS1

            Definitely interpreted the complete opposite of how it was intended. Stand corrected.

    • NickS1

      That’s based on odds, not o/u. I’d say the odds are not in his favor. 30:1 maybe. Maybe 40:1

  • anon

    Remember there being a Spiller trade discussion — you think Bills asked about BB and then Eagles say sure let’s trade BB and a 5th for Spiller? Or unrelated?

    • oreofestar

      I think it is possible think they wanted Spiller over Sproles

      • Corey Dawson

        I think this might be close to the truth. They may have inquired about Spiller before they made the Sproles trade. It didn’t work out obvisouly, but it started trade talks for draft time.

    • NickS1

      Something tells me we asked about Spiller and offered BB n a 5th and were likely laughed at.

  • Token

    Ive been staying awake at night thinking about how they could possibly replace his 300 yards and countless self tackles.

    • knighn

      Bryce doesn’t do Self-Tacklin.
      That’s Jeremy Maclin.
      Bryce Brown…
      Just falls down.

      • Richard Colton

        slight disagreement

        sometimes he fumbles first, then falls down

        • cliff henny

          so glad he is gone.

          • knighn

            Not totally glad he is gone. BB had some special abilities, but he may never put it all together. I am also fairly sure that he doesn’t LOVE football… which could hinder his ability / desire to put it all together.
            I am super glad that the Eagles will get a 4th or 3rd for him… even a future 4th or 3rd. Right now I just don’t think he’s worth that.

          • aub32

            I agree. I think he was still the best option if McCoy was out for 2-3 games. However, I am shocked at the value they were able to get for him. Stevie Johnson was a productive WR, and we got what he was worth for a project backup RB with two really good games. This is why I never understood the heat for Roseman. Dude is like a thief in the night.

        • Will

          lol…he didn’t fumble last year…

          • Richard Colton

            are you sure? do you mean he didn’t lose a fumble or he didn’t fumble at all?

          • Will

            I do not think he fumbled but he had less snaps…

  • shady25

    I am so tired of these national media idiots who don’t listen to Billy Davis or just don’t get it. Our pass defense is what it is. It’s part of the scheme. Let them catch it in front of you, then make the tackle. Points is what matters! Geez. This was confirmed speaking with the assistant coaches at the Eagles Academy. You can throw for 500 yards, but if you’re coming away with a field goal or punt, then who cares. We all know our offense is going to score points. I will gladly trade 7 for 3 or 3 for a punt. People just don’t get it. Now maybe that will improve in year 2 with the zone coverages we play being more familiar now and all the starters who played last year returning. So pass defense should get better, but who cares about stats. Stats don’t win football games, points do.

    • Will

      Pass Defense needs to improve…we have a lot of new faces back there this year …

      • shady25

        I think a lot of that was on the safeties. I don’t think they were competent enough to get everyone on the same page back there. I think this was all on Chung to get everyone lined up. Demeco took care of the front 7, but Chung had responsibility for the backend. Think that’s why Cary Williams always seemed pissed at him. So communication should improve back there with Malcolm Jenkins. From what I’ve been reading about him, he is a film junkie. Maybe that will rub off on Wolff and Allen.

        • Will

          Jenkins was a nice pick up pulling for Jaylen Watkins to be a Safety starter…

          • shady25

            Nah, like Watkins better at corner. We have enough safeties on the roster. Let him find a role as a corner and expand upon it next year. I know one thing, we will be able to play some dime defense this year.

          • aub32

            I’d rather Watkins develop as a CB and replace CW next year.

          • NickS1

            That or Nolan Carroll does. I like CW more than most, but if we don’t press more, he’s a liability that we can’t keep around.

          • shady25

            CW is definitely gone next year. No way he gets paid Revis, Sherman money. What is it, like 8 mil? No way in hell he sees that. I think Fletcher is going to resign and Carroll or Watkins takes over in 2015.

          • anon

            Think we gotta look at the FAs available next offseason. Interesting to see if CWill restructures — doesn’t seem like the type.

            Shame we don’t have good rookie depth, FAs are expensive.

          • aub32

            I don’t know too much about Carroll. Though from what I have seen here, I like him better than Carmichael. I just think Watkins has the physical tools to be a pretty good CB. Plus I really liked his interview. The guy loves to press, and I am sure he’s motivated after having to go through the entire draft process as the lesser Watkins answering question after question about his brother. Maybe for once the brother we get won’t suck lol

          • NickS1

            As long as he doesn’t suck that’s a huge step in the right direction for us! I remember the write-up on Carroll and he’s got the measurables Chip loves, some starting experience in the league, average-ish corner, who’s entering his prime years. Won’t blow you away but won’t hurt you really either, was the impression I got. Definitely curious to see more of him.

          • aub32

            I figure we will. We need some insurance for Fletch and his injuries. I wouldn’t want to rush Watkins in, and Nolan seems like he wouldn’t make me want to bash my head through a wall like RC. I like Caroll for depth, Watkins as the future guy, and CW as the thanks for everything now get out guy.

          • Will

            that’s messed up…lol…

          • aub32

            I’m not the biggest fan of CW. He talks way too much for a guy who gets burned so often. I am honestly afraid for what will happen to him when he tries to pull that tough guy stuff on DJax. No need to motivate him any more.

          • Will

            Yeah DJax gonna have a field day on us Boykin is the only guy we have that even comes close to DJax’s speed…

          • anon

            Not just him, Garcon is a great possession guy, plus they got Andre Roberts.

          • Will

            Yeah I’ve always liked Garcon that was a good pick up by the skins…

          • aub32

            I just remember how DJax embarrassed every one of our CBs time and again in camp last year. The only DB I’ve ever seen match up well with DJax was DRC, and he’s with our other division rival.

          • Will

            Yeah gonna be interesting what Billy D comes up with game plan wise for DJax…

          • aub32

            Jaylen Watkins and Malcom Jenkins come on down!

          • Joe from Easton

            Press. Man. Coverage. Jack him up with Barwin at the line and have a corner sitting over top. I’m pretty sure we saw Davis do this a few times last year.

          • Richaud Jeaffreson

            Speed doesn’t matter. IF you get him off his route at the line, he is worthless.

          • NickS1

            Can’t say I disagree, sir. Can’t wait to see what happens in camp, unless there’s injuries. We can all wait to see those.

  • oreofestar

    over/under 5 sacks for Marcus this year
    over/ under 625 yards for Matthews

    • NCBiRDMann22

      Over
      Over

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        Way over on both!

        • oreofestar

          wanted realistic numbers did not want to go homerish

          • oreofestar

            I was originally was gonna go 7.5 and 750

          • shady25

            I say 6.5 and 700.

            I think the only thing holding Smith back from starting is his run defense. Nobody sets the edge like Trent Cole. But that’s about all Trent Cole does nowadays. Once Smith gets stronger throughout the season I think he will start coming on late like Ertz did last year.

            Matthews is going to contribute from Day 1. Mainly because we have no-one else and I think he’ll be able to handle a larger load. The guy graduated in 3 years, so he should be able to keep up mentally with this offense.

          • Corey Dawson

            That’s around where I’m thinking and is heavily dependent on how much he gets on the field. I think he can be a 9-11 sack guy in his first year if he’s the main starter, but I don’t think that will happen. I think they’re going to release Cole at the end of the year due to age/salary and just ease Marcus in behind him as the year goes on. He’ll start off with only 5-10 snaps a game but will be taking the lions share by year’s end. Say he get’s 60% of the snaps over the entire year filling in behind Cole and sometimes Barwin, maybe he gets 65-70% of his full time number (fresher, so higher % than if he was full time). That’s right around 7.5 sacks.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            True but, I think we all can say Matthews is more talented and more a student of the game than Cooper yet we see what he was able to accomplish. Although you’re right in a sense because he may not play as much. But I don’t think you keep him off the field.

    • shady25

      Over
      Over

    • oreofestar

      original was 7.5 on Marcus and 750 on Matthews but it seemed too high

    • JosephR2225

      Hate to say it but under, under.

      Only two rookies in 2013 had more than 5 sacks. Only four had more than 625 receiving yards, and three of those four were entrenched as WR2 on their respective teams.

      • oreofestar

        who were the 4 wrs? just curious I can’t remember

        • JosephR2225

          Allen, Hopkins, Williams, Stills.

          • oreofestar

            Williams? I am dumb right now not coming to me

          • JosephR2225

            Terrance Williams for the Cowboys.

          • oreofestar

            aaaah thanks

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            He’s nasty in the slot for them.

    • Richard Colton

      under/over

      Smith works his way into the rotation, but barring injury – he won’t get enough attempts rushing the QB to factor more than that. Good line by you though.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        Wouldn’t the way Kelly runs camp give everyone max amount of snaps which in turn would give him plenty time to get on the field. The Eagles work ground up from the basics and fundamentals.

        • Richard Colton

          You think Smith wins the job in camp? Ohh man. That would be ideal. Yeah – if that happens, I’ll take the over.

          I think he starts camp as the third ROLB, 2nd LOLB. Say he gets the same number of snaps year one as Curry did at DE last year or Graham did at ROLB. That’s more likely; in that case, I’m saying under.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Absolutely, I want smith to win out in camp. The less time it takes grooming replacements or getting guys prepared less time and money spent at the position and I’m sure Kelly knows that.

    • cliff henny

      Smith…under, but he keeps Cole fresher, he goes over ’13 total, and Barwin more opportunities, he goes over last yr’s production.
      .
      Matthews…,under, but not by alot. unless Coop or Mac get hurt. too many weapons.

      • anon

        Maclin gets benched for falling down after the catch. Matthews moves to outside, Sproles and Huff work the slot with Cooper on the outside.

        • NickS1

          hahahaha i’m not laughing at you, I’m laughing because that’s an actual possibility. Good ol’ self-tacklin’

        • cliff henny

          yup, Mac better of had his heart replaced while he was under for the knee ligament…kelly aint playing that STJM bs. look who was drafted, both Matthews and Huff have big set on them running inside.

          • Will

            hoping Mac gets beat out of a starting job in camp Go Jordan!

          • cliff henny

            wont happen. but when you’re paying a guy 10m and he’s making business decisions every time he touches the ball, that trickles down. Mac wasnt STJM is college, something changed when he got to philly. hopefully the space kelly’s offense provides saves Matthews and moreso Huff from themselves, cause both will hang themselves out over middle.
            .
            but that falling in fetal position when dbs are still 3 yards away has got to stop. also, he does have gator arms at times. Atlanta game in think ’11, that’s burned into my memory

          • Will

            I have no respect for him…Even DeSean had more courage over the middle…DJax got leveled a few times and still never aligator anything that I saw…for a 19th overall pick Mac never broke a 1,000 yards maybe this year he does…Jordan Matthews should offer some real competition in camp this year…

          • cliff henny

            Donte Robinson darn near killed Jax. guessing reid just allowed for too much softness. dont want any of these guys challanging or showing ribs to Chancellor, but has to be happy medium

          • Will

            Yup that’s the hit I was thinking of….and DJax is like 176 lbs but plays with zero fear…where as Mac drives to the turf or heads out of bounds softer than ice cream plays with zero heart will be glad when Mac is gone…

          • Anebriated

            Thats because DJax refused to go over the middle. On the outside he knew well ahead of time if he was going to get hit so he could add a hitch to his giddyup and arrive at the ball to make it look overthrown.

          • aub32

            So he never took hits outside. I must have imagined that Ed Reed hit

          • Anebriated

            He did but the way people are talking about desean as a physical player who wasn’t afraid of contact is laughable. He was no Pinkston but we are starting to get into the “football reasons” that were referenced in the few instances we heard someone speak about his release.

          • aub32

            I will not argue that DJax was this over the middle stick his nose in the middle guy. He was no punk though. I always throw out the 2011 season because I get wanting to get paid. He and the FO were both at fault big time. I’m also not going to blame a guy smaller than me for not taking a huge hit to gain an extra half yard after a 28 yard gain. When it came to fighting to get into the endzone, he tried. He just wasn’t big enough to power through that last goal line defender. He fought for balls the past two years, defended INTs, and I will never forget how he hawked that ATL lineman to prevent a TD a few years back.

          • Anebriated

            There were times that he showed that toughness, mostly pre-Daunte. Seemed like after that hit he realized he was mortal. I agree completely that the extra half yard after a big gain wasnt the problem. It was the giving up after not getting early touches, dropping the ball on the one yard line, refusing to play STs or attend the meetings, forcing Chip to play Desean football instead of Desean playing Chip football that got to me. Aside from going deep or the threat of going deep he didnt give us much and you know how Chip loves him some versatility. If Desean was making 7-8 mil per year he probably sticks around. Not at 10.5.

          • aub32

            I have to greatly disagree with the no versatility. Please go back and watch all he did last season. He had a rushing TD that was called back. He had a TD over the middle called back. He had a bubble screen TD called back. People forget those. He also had maybe one drop all season. I don’t mind as much when a WR gets upset. That’s kind of what they do. People love to bring up the MIN game. He had 195 yards in that game. Give me a guy with passion and attitude all day. I think maybe he just overestimated himself. Chip obviously believes in his system more than the player. Many coaches let stars get away with a lot. Jimmy Johnson explicitly stated how Aikman, Irving, and others operated under a different set of rules. Kelly doesn’t appear to see things that way.

          • Anebriated

            maybe so but it is easier to replace his production on the bubble screens than it is on the deep routes. That is where DJax was truly special. Both WRs we drafted excelled at plays that originated behind the line of scrimmage.

          • aub32

            I can’t really blame him for gator arming against ATL. Dunta should have been suspended for his hit on Jackson only to do the same to Maclin the following year.

          • southy

            I don’t blame him either, for that one specifically. What gets me is once he makes a catch and is immediately looking for a place to go down.

          • aub32

            That S@%# pisses me off to the highest level of pissivity.

          • Richaud Jeaffreson

            Torry Holy went down a lot to avoid contact, and he was a damn good receiver. Why take the unnecessary punishment unless it is to get a first down, or go over the goal line?

    • southy

      Having just watched a lot of film on Marcus and Barr, Marcus looks like a way more pro-ready prospect. Barr is fast and tenacious but gets washed out more often than not and is useless against the run unless he’s unblocked. Smith does everything well (seriously, watch the film, he manages to do something positive on almost every play, even if it isn’t highlight caliber stuff), is a 3-down backer already, and I would not be surprised to see him getting on the field early and often as a rookie.

      • shady25

        I agree. That’s why I don’t see why everyone is so against this pick. He is already a 3 down linebacker. Needs to get stronger, but that will come. He is comfortable in space, can rush the passer and set the edge. I think he plays in the nickel with Barwin and Cole takes Thornton’s spot on the DL.

      • JofreyRice

        His instincts are a lot better, too. I was really impressed with that part of his game. Better overall LB, at this very moment, for sure.

        Thing is, Barr’s got that massive passrush upside. Not sure there is the same amount with Smith. Barr could be Jason Taylor, IMO. I’m not sure I can see that same kind of potential for Smith, just doesn’t have that same bend or acceleration around the edge.

    • Richaud Jeaffreson

      Under for Smith, he isn’t going to play a whole lot, and he is a rookie. Over for Matthews, He is going to see the field a good bit.

  • IG:blkboyflyy

    Does anyone think Taylor Hart has what it takes to supplant Thornton?

    • anon

      yes, if he can get to the QB.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I say he has a good chance. They have to find the right combination of guys on the field at the same time . Beau Allen with Thornton and Cox should get the 1st&2nd then swap out Allen for Logan who should be allowed to split double teams this year on third or extended drives.

      • Corey Dawson

        He’s a run stopper, not a pass rusher. They didn’t take him to rush the QB. Gotta change your idea of what a DE is now that we’re a 2 gap 3-4.

        • anon

          I mean on passing downs.

    • NickS1

      Supplant? Not sure yet. Definitely good competition for him. Thornton is an RFA next year, too. So if Hart shows enough, they may let someone offer Thornton a contract and decide not to match, depending the contract value.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        Hart definitely has more familiarity with the system. And I was thinking about Thornton being a RFA too but I hope we just keep this rotation in order it should pay off. I say he takes his spot and we still keep them both under contract since we like keeping our own talent.

        • NickS1

          Well, I mean, it’s certainly possible. That’s tough though, because Thornton was a beast against the run last year for the most part. We’ll definitely see. I like your situation because Hart taking his job this year hurts Thornton’s value next year which certainly makes keeping both a more likely possibility.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Exactly, that’s what I dream of simply because if we have too many players out performing current contracts it just cost the team more money. Which is why I feel Kelly has this organization headed in the right direction because he feels why should he pay one guy 150 mil(QB) then he gets injured and the 2nd string not even be able to function.

      • JofreyRice

        I hope not, guy is monster run defender. Even if Hart is good enough to start, I’d pay Thornton to stick around. Need a deep talented bench if you’re going to compete with NO, SF and SEA.

        • NickS1

          I’d like to keep him, too. Wasn’t trying to say I want him to go, just noting the possibility that we don’t want to match any offer sheet. Who knows what they think of him long term? We both know that the FO’s walk-away price tag is typically low.

    • Will

      interesting size…not sure how he will do at this level…

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        You think Kelly waste a pick on a non fit? Just curious.

        • Will

          no not a waste but at 6’6″ 281 Hart is a little under sized and will need to bulk up to play with the big boys…not an overly athletic kid….good motor…will be interesting to see how he does in camp…Thornton is a beast and should be even more so this year…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            “Hart is a little under sized and will need to bulk up to play with the big boys.”

            You can usually say that with like 70-80% of collegiate players drafted. I usually just take that as being understood…lol.

          • NickS1

            You have anything to base that off of? Not sure I’ve ever considered 6’6″ 280 undersized once in my life, not even for power forward (usually just means he holds his own in the paint)

          • Will

            Tall and lean….I think he gets up to 305-310 he be a real force to be reckon with..I don’t see him beating out Ced which was the question…agree DL issues are at NT…hopefully Beau can help…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That might be a bit too big. Just a shade under 300 would probably be my guess. Add on 10-15lbs. Sometimes with lean guys you don’t want to bulk them up too much that while they’re stronger they get a bit sluggish.

          • Will

            I like the pick…so no one can measure heart, desire and determination hopefully Hart rises to the occasion…fifth round in the draft…so expectations are low…

          • NickS1

            He might beef up to that level, but they’re not going to sacrifice his athleticism/quickness just to be heavier. Tend to think the cap is 300, with a likely range of 290-295. Just my opinion, though.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Non-fit?? Was that just a comment to get a response? Hart is a perfect fit to what we do & as I said yesterday, 2-gap 3-4 DEs are usually made through development, not drafted prepackaged.

          Also as Nick notes below, Hart may not win the starting spot battle with Thornton this year, but may get the job due to default if Ced walks. As far as competition though, I think Hart is pretty close to what Ced brings right now. A reliable run defending DE.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            No I was asking what he thought particularly I believe whole-heartedly in Hart. As I do in the fact that our coaches do try to put players where they will succeed. Whether that is cutting them early to give them time to find a home or it’s drafting them because they see a fit with them.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      I’m not sold on Thornton really. I think this is really the one area on the team that is unsettled. I hope the Hart and Kruger can make some impact and make that line strong. It’s really the only way our ILB will have a chance at success.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        I feel you on the line situation, but most people feel that it’s Bennie Logan that is the issue with the line. I feel Thornton is good where he is but I just think Hart is going to do his “job” and more.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          If Ced wasn’t here and/or Hart had about another 10lbs on him, I’d say that Hart would start as a rookie. He may lose some battles and have to adjust to the NFL on the fly, but he’s a guy that I could see being able to do that.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            I was under the impression most people are unhappy with the Hart pick but I’m finding more and more fans are okay with it.

          • cliff henny

            trench guy, scheme fit in 5th, what’s to be unhappy about? if he becomes 30 snap a game guy, that’s about all anyone can ask for.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Oh Ok, got it.

          • Richard Colton

            as long as we don’t expect pass rush from him, we won’t be disappointed.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Not so much the pass rush, just some of the productivity.. Perhaps a couple well time late hits/knock downs. Couple batted passes. Too much to ask?

          • Richard Colton

            honestly, not my favorite pick of the draft. if he is a solid backup for Thornton, I’m happy. Beau Allen was the more intriguing D-line pick we made.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            I watched some tape of Allen it’s a little limited if you’ve searched yourself. But he’s definitely just a big man for the sake of it. Doesn’t consistently draw double teams usually gets taken head on by the center. He needs work obviously but it was interesting that they waited until the 7th to address it maybe don’t see it as that important.

          • Richard Colton

            No, you’re 100% right on Allen. He’s developmental. I’m just glad they at least have two guys who can play the nose.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            So, any of these undrafted free agents pique your interest? If so which the most?

          • Will

            Murderleg anyone but Henry is an instant upgrade to the ST’s squad…

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            You know we Eagles fans have done this before… Kicked Akers out he goes on to kick a 62 yard FG for his new team something he never accomplished with us. We do tend to get rid of players and motivate them at the same time.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            I seem to remember we said the same about Akers but then he goes on to kick 50+yd FGs at a 90% and even a 62 yarder he made. I just want a decent kicker. Decent unpolished players become Good players under Chip Kelly and his coaches.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Sounds good! Any of the UFA pique your interest? If so which?

          • Will

            hey if Hart is part of the rotation with fresh legs and can cause some havac while the starters get a blow than a good pick up…gotta be better than Square off the bench..

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            He rushes past the qb a lot but chases them down. Hopefully he gets his angles & footwork right with a little work. But definitely see him better than square.

          • anon

            NT gets bull rushed by a skinny WR. I would have straight cut him.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Definitely better than square in my opinion. You’re right gotta say he will be effective at some point in the season.

  • cliff henny

    dont sit on my man Fluellen, he is a player. Do really like Josey too, but he might need to marinate on practice squad for a year. hope what they are saying about Tucker is true, he is a big man, slam it in there on short yardage. hate seeing Shady take those hits, no matter how great he is at avoiding contact. Polk does nothing for me, maybe that shoulder is wrecked more than they let on.

    • Rambler

      Marinate in smoothies…

    • Will

      Polk is what he is…big, slow and a lot of wear and tear …other than a red zone rb do not see us getting much production from him…

      • Ark87

        He’s actually not that big or slow, not that he’s small and fast either. but he plays big. Think of him as the Josh Huff of running backs. He specializes in going N-S decisively and getting skinny through the hole. He’s a nice mix. Fast enough to outrun the guys that can crush him, big and physical enough to punish the guys who can catch him. He’s an ideal #3 rb.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Again, the RB situation is going to be a spot to keep eyes on. Much of Chip’s success last season stemmed off Shady. I’m not willing to just accept what we have there behind Shady until someone proves worthy of being able to carry the load should (god forbid) Shady go down for an extended amount of time. A bunch of hypotheticals won’t do. I need to see someone step up and be that guy. “Change of pace” backs usually benefit from the guy in front of them. I’m just not sold on Sproles being that guy, Polk has never really been healthy, Tucker is pretty much an unknown. Fluellen “looks” like a guy that could develop but he does need some work on his inside technique, as he doesn’t seem to run with quite the same intensity there as he does when he cuts it just outside/inside tackle. At 220 you should be lowering your pads & knocking back some LBs & S with a head of steam between your Guards.

  • RJ Sprouse

    I think Tucker is going to surprise people this year. I really like what I saw from him in the preseason. I thought he looked better than Brown last year. The RFA the Eagles signed Josey can be another sleeper. Our RB situation is fine. Niners still have to cut some good rbs that we could pickup if we need to.

  • Adam

    Pretty much unrelated to this actual article, but I remember seeing in a few earlier articles and hearing people say that Matthews will be more of a slot receiver than an outside threat? I guess my question is, what makes him more of a slot guy and not as useful outside? I understand why Huff would be considered more in the slot (smaller, shiftier, a little slower, can get into the soft spots of coverage easier) but not too sure why Matthews with 4.45 speed and good size wouldn’t be an outside type receiver?

    • Joe L

      Just because you’re a slot guy doesn’t mean you’re small/slow these days. TB used Vincent Jackson in the slot a ton last year. Buffalo used Stevie Johnson in the slot a lot last year. He’ll, Marques Colston is almost always in the slot.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      The only reason people are saying that Mathews is going to be a slot guy is because Chippa said that he would START OFF in the slot. This guy is not a slot guy at all. It’s simply to just get his feet wet. Plus it gives him a better understanding so we can move him in and out as the defense calls for it. People need to understand that in my opinion. This guy will be our 1 for a long time!

      • Adam

        OK, yeah, I went back and read some of the articles and like you said Chip did reference that he would START in the slot (assuming then move outside if need be). I had just gotten the impression that some people were thinking of him as a #2 or #3 receiver in the future and not a #1… which I didn’t get because he sure does look like a #1 to me! Thanks for clearing this up guys!

        • Corey Dawson

          Slot doesn’t automatically mean #3 receiver. It’s a different skill set. Welker was the slot guy in New England forever, but constantly had the most catches, which means #1 to me.

          • Adam

            That’s a good point, … not sure why I was applying conventional thinking to Chip’s offense, ha. It is hard to not get excited watching the player tape on these two guys though (Matthews and Huff) and think of the possibilities when mixed in with Maclin, Shady, Ertz, Celek, Coop, Sproles, and a few O Linemen down-field blocking as well…

    • IG:blkboyflyy

      I would have to say those were just mainly projections… Honestly no one really knows how players are going to be used until they start executing plays in the NFL. Some teams draft players and go against common knowledge of how the player should and can be used and completely ruin their development. Once the draft was concluded you see many more articles suggesting Matthews will play outside when cooper or Maclin are gone. Kelly will put players in position to succeed believe that.

    • aub32

      Didn’t Kelly come out and say he will be the slot guy?

      • Richard Colton

        Yes. But see below. I think that’s more a testament to how well Matthews catches balls in traffic and out bodies defenders, than it is pigeonholing his career. Here’s a stab in the dark: Matthews moves outside in ’15 and Huff takes over the slot.

        Have I mentioned how excited I am about the Matthews pick? He’s going to be a great Eagle.

        • Will

          That’s what I’m hoping for this year…Cooper/Matthews outside and Sproles/Huff out of the slot….starting Matthews in the slot to learn all positions is smart but by years end should be seeing outside as well…

          • Richard Colton

            Killer J’s baby!

            Jeremy, Jordan, Josh

          • Will

            Jordan to beat out Coop? could be…think it’s gonna be hard to keep Jordan on the bench…

          • Richard Colton

            Coop gets traded to Green Bay in their attempt to sign every caucasian wide receiver in football.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            LOL!!

          • aub32

            Was Decker just too expensive?

          • Richard Colton

            I’m bitter ’cause I wanted Janis in round 7

          • OldDocRoss

            Chad Hall is excited by Green Bay’s plan and would be grateful if somebody could forward his contact details to someone in the Wisconsin area at their earliest convenience.

        • borntosuffer

          Agree. It also would support the idea of drafting Huff in the third round. I read and appreciate your comments. I may have missed a few but if I remember correctly you mentioned something to the affect that the Eagles are now taking Chip’s guys and Roseman not having much say. I have a thought. Chip is like a new teacher that has an unusual grading system. He looks for versatility such that it takes guys off his board that can’t do all the things he wants in a position – a d-lineman that doesn’t project as a 2-gap, gone, a wr that doesn’t block or catch in traffic, no thank you. I’ll definitely give you that based on the consensus, some of Chip’s picks are reaches. But, I also believe it is possible that if Chip gives the talent evaluators his grading system, the board could very well be a consensus of the evaluators and would be a much different looking board with another coach with different priorities. The fact that the Oregon players do well in his unusual grading system makes sense as he recruited them in the first place. Granted, I make several assumptions and have no first hand knowledge to come up with my hypothesis. We’ll find out when the games are played if he is a smarter “grader” than the consensus.

          • Richard Colton

            very interesting way to look at it. Chip’s rubric is a bit different. At this point – he’s earned it.

          • borntosuffer

            Check out Domo’s article “An Insider’s View of the Eagle’s Draft” on an analysis of the Eagle’s draft by an NFC personnel guy. Interesting take.

          • aub32

            link?

          • borntosuffer
          • aub32

            thanks

          • borntosuffer

            My pleasure. For some reason I thought they blocked links.

        • aub32

          I am sure Matthews will see some time outside. I was just pointing out why so many were talking about his potential inside vs outside. I like Matthews to play the “Joker” all season. I think if Maclin does well, he will be on this team for a while. Cooper has to play outside. So I could see Matthews as being the primary slot guy in 3 WR sets. I really don’t see Huff getting a lot of PT.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I think that’s the key word “pigeonholing”. Did any one of our receivers last year get pigeonholed into being strictly slot or outside? Not really, except maybe Avant, but that was mainly due to his limitations. He’s gone now though (and missed) & I don’t see any limitations on the receivers on the roster now that would keep them solely in trenched as such.

          I think Matthews starts out there (slot) because it’s his comfort zone and easiest way to get him on the field early and often. But I don’t see him not lining up outside either, just as I can’t imagine Huff not running down the seams.

          • mtn_green

            Matthews is the full package, was in college: ran outs, curls, back shoulder throws, slants, crosses, bubble screens you name it.

            I’d guess chip is starting him slowly with some of the playbook and will add more when he excels.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            While Matthews had some drops, he also made some really nice catches along the sidelines in stride a la one Terrell Owens. I know people have been saying Colston but on his deep sideline routes and slants he really looks a lot like TO to me.

          • mtn_green

            Yup, he has a couple of one handed over the shoulder catches where he only had one hand because the db was holding onto the other. He also has no fear, catches hospital balls across middle without hesitation. Catches contested balls where you swore the db was in better position and was going to get it. He also tackles hard after an interception, like Vick, Philly is gonna love him.

          • aub32

            Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see Coop lining up inside all that often. The only moves guys were Jackson and oddly enough Lane Johnson. Everyone else had a pretty defined role.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I seem to remember Coop getting some snaps from slot left. Wasn’t a ton, but I do recall Ertz flexed outside left with Coop inside.

          • aub32

            That did happen every now and again but not like I think what the original post was referring.

          • mtn_green

            DeSean was in slot, in movement, in backfield, anything to get him off a jam.

            The bigger and tougher wr help with how defenses would attack the bubble screens before they were thrown. Better blockers, better able to grab a contested ball.

  • juaniflaco

    I think it’s interesting that Tucker came in as an UDFA, failed a conditioning test, not only wasn’t cut immediately but made the PS and eventually the 53….now they are praising him. Hard for any of us to say, but they see him in practice….they obviously like him.

    • myeaglescantwin

      shows that the dude has been working. Chip keeps adding pieces with fire in their hearts. That’s why the number 10 is available for these new guys with the right attitudes.

      • juaniflaco

        yep….and I wouldn’t write off either of this year’s UDFA RBs either. Both are intriguing, and injuries/trades do happen during the preseason.

  • myeaglescantwin

    **on the red zone opportunities.

    i don’t think this size aspect can be overstated. We have a 6’7 QB basically playing keep away with two 6’3 receivers that are very good at “highest point” catching. While they dip a safety down to cover our 6’5 TE, the two 6′ speedsters can move to holes in the secondary.. Then you add McCoy drawing coverage & safety support wherever he roams..

    This team might break the records they set last year across the board.
    The OL is coming back healthy and strong in year 2
    The offense will hit stride in the running game & tempo
    Our redzone production should increase
    Our DL has some better overall depth for rotation.

    & for that “weak secondary” article.. They are right (dammit), but the best DB is a great pass rush.
    #everylittlegonnabealright

    • knighn

      You sound pretty optimistic!
      Keep this up and you’ll have to drop the T from your name!

      • myeaglescantwin

        honestly, i have been thinking about that. But i’ve had this name on multiple sites since, , , , well, Graham was selected.

        i think now it speak to the overall mentality that ALL eagles fans feel as soon as we start to feel good about a team. Like the fan from Major League

        • knighn

          Ha ha! Nice!

          • myeaglescantwin

            knighn, if we make the playoffs again. .
            no no.

            if we win a playoff game this year, i will change my name to Howie McChipper

    • Richard Colton

      Good stuff – I’ll add that their secondary got better with Jenkins and Watkins. While the media will focus on the loss of Jackson, between FA and the draft, I agree with you – could be even better than last year.

      Fly in the ointment – we are paper thin at O-line and ILB. One injury away from being easy to scheme against on both sides of the ball.

      • myeaglescantwin

        Very true. especially at ILB. I think they really are high on Najee Goode though & that dude from the Texans.

        The OL could be scary, but the reserves that we have are guys that can play all along the OL and there is still the chance we add that veteran College.

        • Richard Colton

          All unproven. I’m just hoping they see something in Kelly/Bamiro, because I haven’t.

          When you said that “dude from the Texans” I immediately thought of Barwin. If Kendricks or Meco went down, I wouldn’t hate the idea of sliding him inside and giving Smith some PT at LOLB.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Not like he hasn’t done it. Smith I mean. I dunno what it is about Barwin at ILB, but he’d be a behemoth there to me.

            Just had a funny thought. Stick Juggernaut there at ILB (just for $hits and giggles). Be like running into a fire hydrant… lol.

          • Richard Colton

            a running start? watching that no-neck blitz on 3rd down would be like watching Refrigerator Perry run for a TD.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Umm, I actually suggested that we possibly look to see if he can be a short yardage/goal line ‘back. May not be pretty, but could be ‘Perry’ effective.

          • anon

            they do it in new york with wilkerson

        • Anebriated

          Braman was brought in as depth and to continue his good play on special teams. If he has to spend time on the field… I just got flashbacks of Casey Matthews.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think Watkins is gonna prove to be a steal. Call it a hunch, but I like that kid’s game. I really wanted Boykin because I thought he’d be a steal and he’s proven worthy. Let’s hope my instincts are right again.

      • aub32

        I have to disagree at O line. Barbre looked good last year and received glowing praise from teammates before the start of the season. Kelly was the best T on the team in 2012. I don’t think he can play LT, but that’s why we drafted LJ. Move him to LT and let Kelly play RT. I am skeptical about Vandervelde but the dude just won’t stay gone. There has to be a reason 2 regimes keep bringing him back.

        • Richard Colton

          Barbre looked good. Can he play tackle? Say an OT goes down for multiple weeks. How do you like the image of Todd back at RT?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah, no.

          • aub32

            I don’t. Barbre filled in at LT last year. So I would think he could do the same at RT. Now if you are proposing a scenario in which 2 or 3 lineman are out for a significant amount of time, I dare say any team will have a hard time overcoming that.

          • Richard Colton

            That’s true. But your scenario has LJ switching sides to LT in the event of a Peters injury. He might not be ready. I’d rather see Herremans stay at Guard no matter what. My #1 scenario for this year is that Barbre is your #1 RG/LG sub, and Bamiro plays lights-out in the preseason and establishes himself as #1 OT sub – possibly RT of the future.

            Dream scenario – he plays so well that we’re arguing about him replacing Peters at LT, and keeping Lane at LT.

          • Richaud Jeaffreson

            I would say that I am comfortable with Babre being the primary back up, he played extremely well in spot duty. They really seem to be high on Tobin at guard, although Tommy at Iggles Blitz didn’t seem too high on him. Kelly can play well at RT, as we saw during the disaster that was the 2012 season. Todd is versatile enough to plat RT. I really hope Bamiro pans out, but we will have to see. He is in year two of development, coming from a small school, and never playing a snap that actually mattered. I honestly was pulling for them to draft Zack Martin, or Su’a-Filo in the first when all the people I wanted kept dropping off the board.

          • Richaud Jeaffreson

            Barbre did play LT for the Eagles. He was the primary backup for all the positions on the line except for center.

      • Will

        Disagree about O-Line and they are still trying to add to the mix…ILB I agree just dreadful if Demecco gets hurt…Arrggg….

        • Richaud Jeaffreson

          Goode played really well in place of Kendricks, but I agree, they should have grabbed one or two. There are going to be plenty of changes to the roster between now, and game day.

      • Maggie

        Aren’t there something like 10 O linemen going into camp? Or maybe even more with UDFAs?

    • NickS1

      You mean to tell me we might not really miss the receiver we released becase we want to do something different than last year?!? Stop it.

    • Chip Kelly

      Going from Andy Reid to Chip Kelly has been a godsend. What an amazing job CK has done in transforming a 4-12 team to a playoff team for many years going forward. I think everyone knows CK is a smart man but I keep thinking his level of IQ is continually underestimated by fans.

      • myeaglescantwin

        level heads.. as long as they keep doing what they are doing we should be good. We desperately need depth across the board, but that all comes with time.

      • aub32

        One season does not a great coach make. CK still has plenty to prove. He had a lot of things break right for him in his first year. Now that other NFL teams have had a chance to see his scheme, let’s see what Chip does.

        • Joe from Easton

          I would agree with you under almost any circumstance, but our game tape from last year may as well be kindling. The offense is going to look much different this year.

        • Maggie

          You just can’t help yourself, can you.

    • Daniel Spector

      Next year I want some more O line depth

    • peteike

      and shovel pass or screen to Sproles in red zone. Just another wrinkle, WR can also get the option

    • Maggie

      I copied your line, “the best DB is a great pass rush.” Somewhere sometime I’m going to paste it! ;~)

      • myeaglescantwin

        Proven by the Seattle Seahawks.
        Peyton Manning can’t beat you when he’s on his ass.

        I think i’m pumped up cause of our DL.
        right now we have 2 DE’s over 6’9.
        three other DE’s over 6’4 ^& 300lbs
        two high motor DE’s that are 6’3 around 290
        a 6’3 320 NT / a 6’2 333lb NT.

        & hell, even few LBs that are over 6′ . . . . .We haven’t had anything close to these guys since Cory Simon.

        • JofreyRice

          haha, nice compilation. I knew the DL got a lot bigger, but holy cow.

          • myeaglescantwin

            i didn’t realize till earlier today.
            good chance the two giant mofo’s don’t make the squad,, but if they can stay in the team’s figurative possession (IR / practice squad) they can both bulk up in the offseason just like Kruger did.

            I don’t care who you are, when you see a physically opposing team, it’s in your head.

  • Malcolm Jones

    John Kincade was on WIP and said that the Falcons had a first round grade on Marcus Smith. With them and the Redskins and all the people who took DE/OLB (kansas too)… maybe it was not as big of a deal for the GMs as the “analyst” made it seem

    • cliff henny

      Lawrence went #34, and Dallas paid a #26 price for him in trade. OLB cost extra, like QBs and LTs, just the way it is.

      • Will

        Smith not the reach the pundits say…he was the next in line to come off the board…OLB were thin in the draft…

        • Richard Colton

          a lot of revisionist history here…I saw mocks from both of you that had Smith consistently in the 50-80 range. Kiper had him at #85. McShay called him the biggest reach of round one by any team. Diddinger called him a reach – he’s the smartest football guy this town has ever had. Sheil & McManus said he was a consensus reach.

          • Will

            I had him 35-40 but there was a run on OLB…I liked him and the guy Dallas grabbed about the same…I was hoping that the Eagles drafted Deone Buccanon but if the Eagles did that they would miss out on a good ROLB…was happy they got a trade back that netted a 3rd….so I think either the Skins or Cowgirls take him if we don’t so I do not think it was a reach for Smith…just my humble opinion glad they got a ROLB….hope they picked the right one…

          • Richard Colton

            amen. you know I liked Deone Buchanan – I had the Eagles stealing him at #54 (with Smith still there). I would have questioned the pick at #26 though. The safeties went too high in this mediocre safety class.

            Jeez – they take a 1st round safety this year, it’s like admitting defeat. Could have traded down last year in round #1 and still gotten Kenny Vaccaro and Terron Armstead (Token and JR were high on that move BTW, I was in the bag for OT at pick #4).

          • Will

            Don’t get me started all the Safeties we could of had the Earl Thomas thing still has me pissed to the absolute…BG still on the team…Arrggg…

          • Richard Colton

            “next year” is the year Brandon Graham breaks out, and it always will be.

          • Chip Kelly

            Andy Reid is still complimenting his high motor as we speak…

          • aub32

            You think they are keeping him just to say he made it through his entire rookie deal so it wasn’t a huge mistake.

          • Will

            No being what the 13th overall pick they just can’t get value for him and don’t want to admit it was a woeful mistake to draft him we will end up with a compensatory pick for him in the end…

          • Chip Kelly

            I think they’re giving him another chance because he does have talent and potential. Whereas Danny Watkins…..

          • Richard Colton

            …remains Canadian

          • Jerry Pomroy

            And will always be the oldest player drafted that year?…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No, I think they hold onto him and get a compensatory pick because the NFL FO gives better value than the 31 other GMs.

          • aub32

            Do you really think he will net much value? I thought compensatory picks have a lot to do with how much money your FAs get vs how much you spend. I don’t see Graham as having that big a price tag. I think we spent more on Jenkins than will be spent on Graham.

          • livingonapear

            It’s not revisionist history, it’s new data coming out now that teams don’t have to protect the information as much.

            Just because we didn’t see the information before, and just because it wasn’t given to McShay and Kiper on a silver platter doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. What they do is information collection and distribution. They are not expert talent evaluators, they are aggregators of conventional wisdom.

          • Will

            Like a GM once said who the Hell is Mel Kiper…lol…

          • Richard Colton

            I love that clip – ever watch the whole thing? Kiper was mad the Colts didn’t draft Trent Dilfer.

          • Richard Colton

            people are looking for anything to make them feel better about where we took him.

            I’m actually OK with the rationale – they felt like there was a lot of depth at some other positions and since the FA market was so barren at OLB, they reached. I was very surprised when they did it. So was everyone else.

          • aub32

            Exactly. They obviously preferred Marcus Smith and Jordan Matthews over Marquise Lee and the 5th/6th rated pass rusher.

          • Richard Colton

            I’m OK with it. Just don’t think it’s the way 2013 Howie would have done it.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I 100% agree with that statement. I honestly think that Chip pushed Howie’s comfort zone boundaries. But I also think Chip’s got bigger balls than Howie to make a statement/surprise pick.

            I literally have this vision sitting in the back of my head of Howie sitting behind Chip and pointing his one finger at Chip and the other over his mouth as if to say, “If these pucks go south, shh it wasn’t me, it was him.”

          • Richard Colton

            So obviously the Eagles will never admit to their 1st round thinking. Too much Nova-Kremlin for that. I found it really interesting when this nugget came out on Comcast: Chip wanted to reach for Watkins in round 3. Howie begged him to wait and essentially promised him that Watkins would be there at the top of round 4.

          • aub32

            2012 Howie was the man. Waiting for Cox to fall out of the top 10 before moving up, trading back in the 2nd and still picking up Curry, Foles in the 3rd, Boykin in the 4th, Boykin in the 4th (That deserves to be counted twice) Kelly (who I like as the future RT) in the 5th and BB (who has now netted us a 3rd/4th in 2015) in the 7th. That was a draft.

          • Richard Colton

            And you know what? The 2013 draft was almost as good. thats the reason I’m generally opposed to reaches.

          • aub32

            Ehhh… I think that depends on if Barkley is any good and what Logan looks like in his second year. I was hoping to trade up and make a splash move in 2014. I liked the draft but not as much as the last 2. Though I admittedly had much less time this year to look into guys like Huff and Hart before hand.

          • JofreyRice

            I really would have liked to see them come out of the draft with a speedster at WR. It’s hard to imagine they’ll be as dangerous vertically without Desean. Paul Richardson went a little earlier than I expected.

          • Maggie

            Most information gathering, otherwise known as research, is generally done by underpaid, unimportant administrative assistants whose names you will never know. Yes, I have been one.

          • Andy124

            I think Sheil is the smartest football guy in this town. Or me. Yeah, probably me.

          • Richard Colton

            somedays I think you are Sheil. making the sarcastic comments he’s too careful to make.

          • JofreyRice

            All true, but no one wants to hear it.

      • Richard Colton

        I thought maybe there was a “run” at the position (possibly started by the Eagles) but there really wasn’t. Smith came off the board at 26, Dee Ford (whatever he is) at #22.

        Dallas traded up for Lawrence at #34 (at least he was a candidate for surprise 1st round pick)
        Van Noy at #40 (not really a pass rusher)
        Trent Murphy at #47

        That said, I’ll disagree with McShay – the biggest reaches of the 1st round were Bortles at 3 (but QB gets a pass because…QB) Ward at #30, and Easley. Smith maybe comes in at #4.

  • dislikedisqus

    I suspect CK still hopes to add LaMichael James at some point.

    • anon

      would make sense. Funny how far the team has come in 5 years. Still room to improve in the secondary but assuming Smith pans out i’m happy with where we are.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      We need someone that can provide a better insurance policy behind Shady. I was really going we’d get Tre Mason. Wasn’t in the cards.

      • Will

        Was hoping we got that Boston College kid for RB…

      • anon

        LMJ is a scheme fit so could be good value.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I like LMJ. Someone suggested earlier that 9ers could be making some cuts at RB & he immediately came to mind. I just want someone to be the guy behind Shady, whether that’s someone that’s already here or from elsewhere. I’m just not comfortable “right now” on where we stand if Shady goes down for any extended amount of time.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Wow, 287 comments already…

    • Will

      Fans just love BS about the Eagles…lol…can’t wait to see how good this team under Chip can be…

      • Will

        Offense is set, if the Defense can improve it’s pass Defense look out…

      • cliff henny

        reprieve. been arguing over defense for sooooooooo f’n long. on offense, the only degree is to what degree they are going to smoke people

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Taylor Hart
    Philadelphia Eagles, fifth round (141st overall)

    Of the pair of Oregon players Chip Kelly picked, Hart makes a lot more sense given his size and abilities. He’s reunited with his old defensive line coach and should be flexible enough to play a number of spots on the line depending on the situation. He’s got better feet and hands than people would guess for somebody of his stature, and he can certainly develop into a starter for the Eagles down the road.

    Bryan Fischer – NFL.com

    • Will

      and he has a good motor saw that on film….doesn’t take plays off…

    • JofreyRice

      Perfect as a 3-4 base end. Great value in the fifth round. Already conditioned to play a ton of snaps per contest, familiar with the coaching staff, familiar with the system.

  • southy

    Did ESPN somehow forget that we got Malcolm Jenkins and Nolan Carrol? We released Patrick “Friendly Fire” Chung? We’ll possibly be starting Earl Wolff day 1?

    I fully expect ESPN to produce over-simplified sensationalist garbage, but at least get your facts straight.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      This is in reference to…?

      • southy

        “The offense is looking pretty good, but is drafting fourth-rounder Jaylen Watkins enough to improve the pass defense?”

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Oh, gotcha. Duh me. I think Watkins is gonna be a player & the steal of our draft. Had same gut feeling about Boykin two yrs ago that I do for ‘the other’ Watkins.

    • Will

      All the new additions added to the back end ( to go with Wolff, Allen, Carmicheal) got me a bit excited…Nolan,Jenkins,Maragos,Watkins and Reynolds to go with Boykin, Flecther, and Williams firgure the best 5 see playing time the units as a whole have got to get better at least they gave coach Billy D a lot of camp bodies…

      • Jerry Pomroy

        No BS, I would not be surprised if Carroll & Watkins emerge as our starters in ’15. I also would be surprised if one of them supplants Williams this year. One thing we can definitely say is that the secondary is a much deeper unit going into this year.

        • shady25

          Yeah we have more players this year. I can see Watkins and Carroll playing a lot more during the middle of the season. I think we start off with Williams and Fletcher, but I don’t think we will finish that way.

        • Richaud Jeaffreson

          Williams and Fletcher didn’t play poorly. The big problem was the lack of pressure. Cole came on in the second half of the season, and now that we have Smith to mix in, he can stay fresher.

    • shady25

      I feel you man. See my comments at the top. All these national guys look at the stats and base their opinion off of that and write some garbage instead of doing some research.

      I think we will be better on the back end this year because there will be better communication. We should have known Chung wasn’t the answer if Belichick let him go. Nate Allen is just a “guy”. I think Jenkins and Wolff are our starters for the next few years.

      • southy

        When your blurb is about how we did(n’t) improve our pass D in the offseason, you would think the very first question to ask would be “What moves have we made in the secondary in the offseason?” That’s almost too basic to call research.

        • shady25

          Or at least try to understand what the defensive scheme was. Think these guys are too proud to get info from the local beat guys so they put out any BS they want.

    • cliff henny

      every team has the same complaint. think they are doing it on purpose. annoyed pissed off clicks are same as any other

    • Maggie

      Facts? ESPN don’t need no stinkin’ facts! Facts don’t sell advertising.

    • Richaud Jeaffreson

      hahahahahahahaha friendly fire!

  • Anebriated

    I appear to be in the minority here. Bryce was a decent backup but had issues getting “it”. Theres a reason he went from being the top high school recruit in the country to bouncing around from school to school and spending time not even on a NCAA team.

    Polk was the guy with the higher upside but wasnt drafted because of concerns over a possible degenerative shoulder issue. He obviously wont continue the 9 ypc average but he can prove to be a competent #3 back. The new UDFA’s will push him and from this article it sounds like hes finally doing what is necessary to make the team. If true then it makes the decision to turn the 7th round pick(brown) into a 4th, possibly 3rd a very good one. Tucker, Josey and Fluellen can fight it out for the last roster spot or if they do well enough bump Polk out completely. Im OK with either scenerio.

    • Richard Colton

      I like Fluellen – but just because he has a cool name. Honestly, I’ve never seen a single run by him.

      • cliff henny

        neither did I, but you’ll be hooked quickly. I really liked Josey, till I saw the ‘sick’-man run

        • Richard Colton

          OK – you guys have sold me. Watching cut-ups of an undrafted rookie free agent in May. Its cool. I don’t have a problem. I can quit any time…

          • Anebriated

            speak for yourself. I’ve accepted my lifelong status as a sports junkie.

          • peteike

            its been referred to as a football nerd these days but ya, maybe this is the only time “junkie” sounds better

          • Anebriated

            I would be OK with the nerd label if I wasnt constantly looking for my fix…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Well beings that you’re “anebriated”, send like your getting that fix in other ways… Lol.

          • Anebriated

            Well sports just aren’t sports without a couple frosty brews.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Picturing Pookie zoned out watching player clips & not getting up for 12hrs. Lips chapped from dehydration, a puddle of piss beneath him & weary eyes from lack of sleep.

      • Anebriated

        He doesnt have breakaway speed and needs some polishing as a blocker but he has good hands out of the backfield and can lay the boom. I would image he turns into a decent short yardage back. Has that North/South running style without too many cuts. Hes the kind of back that will follow his blocks too. Theres definitely upside its just a matter of refinement.

        • Andy124

          ok, so why wasn’t he drafted? Not being a smartass. I just know nothing about him.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Man, the RB position has been so devalued it’s ridiculous. It’s so hard to figure it out anymore. Hence, that’s the reason I thought we’d end up with Tre Mason in the 4th.

          • Anebriated

            Look at the value of RBs around the league. For the first time in the history of the NFL there was not a single RB taken in the first 40 or 50 picks. That and he went to Toledo…

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Watch Fluellen Colt. He’s got some skills, especially for being 220lbs. I can kinda see why Cliff mentioned that he reminded him somewhat of Shady.

      • Maggie

        “working in a coal mine….”

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I personally wasn’t sold on Brown. Not in this scheme anyway. I think Chip realized that as well. Brown needs designed sweeps, off Ts & outside runs to be effective and replicate his successes from ’12. He just didn’t have the intangibles that Shady has to bounce a run outside in this IZR. That said, I get very nervous watching Shady gamble and get crashed in on when he’s running the alley trying to bounce it out. He’s so integral to why we could do the things we did last year. Plus could take the mother load on his back and win you a game himself here and there. We need to find someone that is more reliable behind Shady & fits the scheme. I like Fluellen, but he needs to play stronger/lower up the gut & hit those holes faster inside, like he does when he cuts it outside the Guard.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, looked like something was off about his balance and he always ran for the sidelines. He might be better in a system where he’s running forward at the snap, instead of sideways. Guy could have been 190 pounds for as soft as he played.

      • Anebriated

        Is that in reference to Polk? If so I would agree, I wish he was more of a north/south runner. Hes got the size to punish the defender but at times is about as fierce as a box full of kittens. I just had similar surgery to what Polk had and know firsthand how debilitating it can be. Im hoping that without the shoulder in the back of his mind he is able to focus on being the physical player he is capable of being.

        • JofreyRice

          I was talking about Brown, actually. I like Polk, for what he is. I don’t know if he can carry the load if Shady goes down, but he’s got a nice skillset. Good pass protector, good receiver (former wideout), decent runner.

        • Dame

          I don’t know what you were looking at last season, but Polk is a physical north-south runner. He hits the holes and gaps hard…that’s what we need to counter Shady and Sproles’s tricks.

  • Fly High

    I think the 49ers drop LaMichael James, and he signs with Philly and ends up being #3 RB.

    • oreofestar

      he ain’t beating out Tucker :P

    • OregonDucker

      I agree, we get LMJ. But Tucker will be stiff competition. I am worried about LMJ’s ability to beat big, fast LBs and DLs.

  • Chip Kelly

    121 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anebriated

      but who is counting? oh wait, we are… need my fix!

  • Amar

    The ESPN comment is very telling, we were dead last in pass defense and did very little to shore it. I’m not betting on Jenkins, Caroll or Watkins to be game breakers.

    • oreofestar

      okay look we spent 2 picks on DBs and brought in 2 plus have haves returning that can improve now our Pass D is what it is it will be a little better but probably rank 23rdish in the league and whatever just improve the pass rush which we did and that should help , in the end the most important thing is points and we were the 17th scoring D so if that ranking gets even a little better like 12th plus the fact we will be averaging about 30 a game we will be fine

      • Amar

        I agree, the yards do now show up on the scoreboard, however, building a dominant defense should involve addressing you most pressing need first.
        I also agree that Pass-rush was our biggest need, however we created this DJax mess and had to address the WR situation with our 2nd and 3rd round picks.
        It is OK if we give up yards and still restrict the points scored (RZ defense and TOs in the RZ) in 2014. Come 2015, we need at least 1 shutdown corner and solid FS, if not for the Seattle-Legion-of-boom.

        • Maggie

          What DJax “mess”?

          • Amar

            I see what you’re doing here. My psychiatrist asked me to invoke my circle of positivity and elevate to the plateau of serenity.

          • OregonDucker

            Amar, I agree it looks like a mess BUT…. Chip is tweaking the offense because of the effectiveness of single coverage by good CBs on Djax. Djax was very good against average or slightly above average DBs. He also avoided contact at all costs. Chip was looking for more physical play and skill against good CBs. Whether he now has it remains to be seen. (Personally, given the film on Huff and Matthews he got what he wanted at the expense of pure speed.)

          • Amar

            I see your point and maybe it is what he’s trying to do…however, I have trouble getting past 1) They absolutely could not find any other way to utilize DJax, (in the slot or underneath routes) 2) Chip expects ALL his receivers to beat man coverage and be physical with the DBs. That is not possible, you have different receivers with different skill sets.

          • Maggie

            Ah, Grasshopper. The Eagles released a couple of wideouts and drafted a couple of different younger wideouts. A Circle of Life? All is as it should be. Serene indeed.

        • botto

          i agree DJAX was a mess!
          now he’s the redskins mess

  • Maggie

    The players you mention don’t have to be game breakers. They just have to interrupt a few more routes, catch a few more interceptions, make a few more tackles and knock down a few more passes than the group did last season. The Eagles don’t need anybody playing on an “island”.

  • morganc

    Can someone please explain the exact conditions for whether we get a third or fourth rounder for the BB deal? If Johnson gets less than 800 yards receiving, fourth rounder, if more, third? Something like that? Thanks.