What They’re Saying: Eagles Draft Grades

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Here’s a roundup of national media coverage on the Eagles.

ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. gives the Eagles a B+ for their draft:

The Eagles did a solid job of adding talent and hitting needs, making up for one questionable decision early with a number of solid ones down the board. Philadelphia moved down and then selected Marcus Smith, the No. 85-ranked player on my board. But while I didn’t love the value, again, it came after the Eagles had moved down and accrued a little value. And he hits a need, because they’re too reliant on Trent Cole as a pass-rusher and Smith can turn the corner and provide some pressure. The only receivers Philly has under contract past next season are Riley Cooper, Jeff Maehl. They have Jeremy Maclin, but he’s coming back from an ACL injury. The Eagles don’t just need receivers, they need projectable players that can help soon. I thought Jordan Matthews would have made sense at No. 22, much less 42. (If you take Matthews early, Smith late, it works, so no harm no foul on value.) I love that pick. Josh Huff offers underrated after-the-catch explosiveness — he had 24 catches of 20-plus yards in 2013 — has obvious familiarity with Kelly’s methods and he’s a guy who really competes and makes contested catches.

Evan Silva of Rotoworld gives the Eagles a C+:

It should be noted Philly acquired Darren Sproles from the Saints for a fifth-round pick, supplementing this haul. GM Howie Roseman’s first move of the draft was to trade down after New Orleans leapfrogged him for Brandin Cooks. Roseman secured the Nos. 26 and 83 picks from Cleveland, which turned into Smith and Huff. Although Smith did not commonly appear in first-round mock drafts, he was a highly productive pass rusher at Louisville and possesses plus measurables. Matthews could prove to be one of the draft’s biggest steals, and an eventual upgrade on Riley Cooper. Also keep in mind Jeremy Maclin only has a one-year deal. Hart, Allen, Reynolds, and Watkins all have a chance to be useful role players, with Hart offering the most potential to become a legit starter. Huff was the one pick I didn’t like. I don’t think he’s skilled enough to be a consistent contributor at wide receiver, and I’m guessing Chip Kelly made that pick primarily because he is fond of Huff from Oregon. I expected Huff to be a late-rounder.

Peter King of The MMQB writes that four teams were interested in trading up for the Birds’ No. 22 pick:

Six teams inquired about pick number 22. Philadelphia got four solid offers.




Though it was reported by Jay Glazer that the Vikings and Browns jousted for the 22nd pick (absolutely true), they were not alone. The source said that another team, not Minnesota, was the leader in the clubhouse when Eagles GM Howie Roseman told Cleveland GM Ray Farmer with three minutes left in the 10-minute draft period that he had to make a better offer than the one Cleveland had on the table.

Doug Farrar of SI.com gives the Eagles a C:

Chip Kelly’s second NFL draft provided its share of surprises, with Louisville end Marcus Smith going in the first round. You’d be hard-pressed to find any analyst who had that kind of grade on Smith — or anywhere close — so that’s one of those “wait and see” picks. The selection of Vanderbilt receiver Jordan Mathews in the second round was right in line, and will help right away. Kelly went back to his Oregon days twice, picking up receiver Josh Huff in the third round and defensive lineman Taylor Hart in the fifth. This draft will hinge on Smith’s ability to provide elite edge rush. That’s an undetermined idea based on his college tape, so the grade has to go accordingly.

Jeffri Chadiha of ESPN.com thinks the Eagles' selection of Jordan Matthews is one of the five best fits from the draft:

The Eagles snagged one of the steals of the draft by landing Matthews in the second round. The former Vanderbilt product has first-round talent and he's got the smarts and talent to help Chip Kelly's fast-paced offense immediately. The Eagles dumped Pro Bowl wide receiver DeSean Jackson earlier this offseason. They'll also miss underrated possession receiver Jason Avant (now in Carolina), while Jeremy Maclin, the man who becomes the top target in this system, is returning from a torn ACL.

Those factors alone should equate to plenty of opportunities for Matthews. Kelly found a way to turn wide receiver Riley Cooper into a productive player after only one year in this system. Imagine what Matthews -- who has more talent and upside -- can do in his first season with the Eagles. He's not going to make people forget the speedy Jackson, but he's definitely going to help Philadelphia's cause.

ESPN's Todd McShay has Josh Huff as his favorite pick for the Eagles:

Huff came off the board a little earlier than I would have expected based on the grade we gave him, but I think it made sense for the Eagles to take him where they did. Obviously, Chip Kelly has a high level of familiarity with Huff from their time together at Oregon, and Huff knows the language of Kelly's program and what's expected of him coming in as a rookie. He is a very versatile athlete who should be able to produce big plays both running the ball and as a receiver.

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com gives the Eagles a B+:

The Eagles passed on a receiver in the first round to take pass rusher Marcus Smith because the pass rushers were a thin group. That made sense. They did take two receivers in round two and three to make it work.

Peter Schrager of FoxSports.com gives the Eagles an A-:

My favorite Eagles pick was Jordan Matthews, the SEC record-holding WR out of Vanderbilt. Like Keenan Allen a season ago, Matthews slipped to the second round because he isn't a workout warrior. But he is reliable, did it at the highest level in college, and will be a pleasant addition to a locker room. He wants to work. He'll get that chance.

Bryan Fischer of NFL.com weighs in on the Eagles' draft:

The team gets some much-needed help on defense and a pair of DeSean Jackson replacements on offense. Of the two Oregon players Chip Kelly picked, Hart might be the bigger steal. Reynolds might not be the best safety in the draft, but he's a turnover machine.

Josh Norris of Rotoworld has a 2015 mock up. He has the Eagles picking 25th and taking Florida State WR Rashad Greene:

There is a lot of Desean Jackson to Greene’s game. I know they just added Matthews and Huff, but Maclin is on a one year deal, and neither truly offer the same yards after catch ability (outside of screens) that Greene does.

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  • Waffles

    Overall I like the draft. My only minor qualms are the Reynolds pick and the Allen pick. I like those guys but would have liked to see an ILB or OG taken in one of those spots instead. I actually wouldn’t have complained if they drafted a RB either, but am excited to see Tucker play this year and see what Josey brings to the table. With the draft behind us I can honestly say I haven’t been this excited for an Eagles season since the year we got TO. I think the offense will be special and can’t wait to see how Chip utilizes each player. I was reserved about Huff at first, but watching his highlights what really stands out is his speed coming out of his breaks. I’m glad we got him. Who do you guys think will win the punt return job? How about kick returns?

    • Eagles1018

      I’d prefer ILB and OG as well. I like the potential for Watkins down the line. Maybe he can help cover that new skins receiver on the outside. In sure he’s got the speed to do it.

    • Joe L

      The guards were pretty weak after Reynolds, and really the only LB who wasn’t just a two down guy was Tripp at that point, and clearly they saw Reynolds as a better fit.

      • Waffles

        Yeah. I think the only two I would have taken over Reynolds would have been Tripp or Seastrunk.

        • EagleDuck

          Heh Heh… pretty sure Chip isn’t drafting Seastrunk… There’s a little bit of history there (involving NCAA sanctions).

      • Weapon Y

        I loved Tripp and was heartbroken to see the Eagles not take him. It really throws a wrench in the plan to cut DeMeco and his salary next year. Don’t get me wrong. DeMeco seems like a great guy and good influence, but the Eagles need a young athletic ILB to pair with Kendricks. DeMeco’s cap number is too high to justify keeping him much longer.

  • Ship Kelly

    If we got Ha Ha and jordan matthews I know we would have had to give up a third so we would have never gotten Josh Huff and some of the defensive depth in the later rounds. That would had made me happy and malcom jenkins with ha ha clinton dix will upgrade our defense more so a sub package pass rusher.. I think chip kelly got out played in the draft some what how he got out coached int he playoffs…

    • EagleDuck

      I know. I can’t believe he didn’t make it deep into the playoffs his first year in the NFL. He’s clearly a failure at every level and should be fired immediately.

      • ship kelly

        yep thats exactly what i was saying….

      • borntosuffer

        Exactly. Especially after installing completely different schemes on both offense and defense with a team that failed miserably for two years, had it’s starting qb injured and used an unproven qb for most of the games. That’s a blueprint for a Super Bowl as long as the coach doesn’t f it up. Chip’s garbage.

        • EagleDuck

          See! Now this is what I’m talking about. I keep preaching that Chips innovation and “sports science” is clearly snake oil, certainly isn’t working, just like his ‘college-trickster-notbigboyfootball’ schemes.
          How many starters out of last years draft? Only like 4! Rediculous… That’s as bad as only winning 10 games your first season at HC.
          i hate Chip Kelly and his crap ideas; spreading out defenses, trying to score touchdowns quickly, I’M SICK OF IT.

    • dnabrice

      Huff may have been there later. We’ll never know though! I wonder what we needed to give up to get Cooks…

    • Mike D

      I do happen to think you’re trolling, but I think other folks also agree with that line of thinking. I always find this “Monday morning quarterbacking” amusing. What makes you think that the Eagles knew for sure that the Packers were going to pick Clinton-Dix? What makes you think that the Eagles could have traded up past the Packers to get him? What players or picks could they have possibly traded to get above the Packers without making their low number of picks worse than it already was?

  • myeaglescantwin

    two main things i took from this draft is who we DIDN’T get. I think the noteable positions the Philadelphia Eagles skipped over are a clear indication of the key philosophies behind this team.

    After DeSean got axed, i was worried that the almighty $dollar$ ruled this team rather than talent. I had wrote that if this team was more about finances, there were 3 main positions that would get addressed via the draft.

    Three key slots were missing in this draft ILB & OT & OG.
    1-Peter’s will have the largest contract on this team in next two years. With a number over $10 million each year, it would be a glaring priority to draft the replacement for Peters ASAP in order to cut that contract.

    2-In the same respects, Demeco is carrying another big cap number for the remainder of his years here. No one was brought in as the heir apparent for ILB. This lets me know that they really care about the leadership qualities he brings to the table and the contract takes into account those attributes just as much as the physical.

    3-OG was a scary thought going into the draft with the rumors that Mathis might be moved. The fact that this position wasn’t touched in the draft lets the fans know they can count on Mathis for 2014. This is another guy who is considered a veteran leader, and I believe the Eagles know the weight he carries and the example he sets in the locker room.

    What I take out of all of this, is that the Eagles are putting a lot of value in character.
    After cutting a playmaker that was a distraction, they continued to point out the players that do things the right way. They drafted graduating seniors. They drafted captains, they drafted bloodlines.

    This team is trying to build a championship culture one solid player at a time.

    • ship kelly

      I respectfully disagree, Peters performed great last year he at least has another 2-3 years of high performance. and demeco is a good stop gap until we get another player to fit in. But what we need right now is secondary help and pass rushing help and a NT. Trent Cole got played by a mid level rookie against the saints. he was our leading pass rusher with 8 total sacks. and our secondary got torched. I do believe we will need to upgrade our mlb and offensive line cause some of them are old, like you said mathis. But we still can address that next year

      • myeaglescantwin

        I don’t think we are disagreeing here, sir.

        All i was saying, that if the DeSean incident was only about money,, we would have seen more power moves that point in the direction of removing our higher priced players regardless of production.

      • Richard Colton

        I think expecting 3 years out of a gut that big who relies on athleticism that much is a mistake, and is poor planning. But if anyone can do it – its Peters. The man is a freak. I’m REALLY hoping you’re right, he’s been my favorite Eagle for years.

        Your Terron Armstead point is interesting. It sounds like you’re suggesting that since a team found a diamond in the rough one year, then any team should be able to do the same thing at the same position. That just isn’t true.

    • Richard Colton

      really interesting points all around. one of the guys who got away was Su’a Filo. Some people think taking a guard in round one is like taking a running back. I see him as being this year’s Chance Warmack.

      The character thing is huge – as thin as they are at ILB and OLB, they left Telvin Smith and Christian Jones off their list. Same with Colt Lyerla. When we’re looking at players next year, we may as well leave the character red flags off our lists completely.

      • NickS1

        I still want to know what the red flags were with Jones, aside from the failed test. If that’s it, I’ll admit I’d be a little shocked. Can’t all be choir boys.

        • Richard Colton

          Probably went seafood shopping with his QB

          • NickS1

            Nice

      • Amar

        They desperately need ILB help. Kendricks has been solid, but he is undersized at 5’11. We need a bigger presence for the crossing routes and TE throws.
        Damn, would Cristian Jones have been perfect here.
        I don’t understand the character red flag aversion of the Eagles FO here. All it means they have little confidence in their ability to manage such players. Its also safe to say we could never assemble the “Adderall lovers club” also known as the Seattle Seahawks defense.

        • Richard Colton

          Boy, I really wanted them to take C.Jones in the 7th and shut me and everyone else the hell up. We know what they’re doing now. They will never take that player.

      • Mike D

        I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with taking a Guard in the 1st if the talent is there. But Chance Warmack was considered to be one of the best OG prospects to come along in a decade or so, IIRC. Su’a Filo was considered the best Guard in this class, but not a very high ceiling mauler like Warmack was.

  • Malcolm Jones

    Here is my theory on Huff: Huff does not have Desean Jackson speed, but is a good blocker, and can eat up YAC in the open field. He is 5’11 and about 206.. similar in size to Shady. He has played like a RB/WR/ and ST. Now think of De’Anthony Thomas (5’9, 174) and the fear of his Desean like frame in the NFL. I think Huff can play the Thomas role and has a frame similar to McCoy. Picture Huff and Sproles in the back field. I think Huff can also do some of what Desean did but not with speed.

    • Joe L

      Ran about the same 40 as Shady too. Now he’s not nearly as elusive as Shady, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him line up in the backfield some.

      • Malcolm Jones

        I mean if they tried it with Desean, I cant imagine not trying with Huff. Jackson did not have enough success in it… but Huff knows how it is suppose to be done.

  • bill

    I think that the experts, especially the national ones, are missing the biggest point about Huff: that he’s going to get to run the ball some, too. I was always a little surprised about how ineffective DJax was on the end arounds and the like. I think Huff is here to be the guy that really executes that play and will really make DBs pay the price on those plays. Think about it this way – how do you feel about Chip isolating Huff, running at full speed, on DRC on the backside of a double reverse. I’m getting goose bumps just thinking about it now: Ole!

    • TripSquadMonopoly

      Wow I really like this comment and hope you are right. I really hope Huff can make the end around another dimension to this offense. Not sure if he is as fast as Djacc tho.

  • JosephR2225

    Maybe it’s nitpicky, but if I’m going to trust Evan Silva to grade the Eagles draft shouldn’t he get the picks right? 22 didn’t turn into Smith and Huff… it turned into Smith, Watkins and Hart. I don’t know if that changes the evaluation, but you’d think if you’re going to issue a grade you should know who was chosen where.

    • JAMIN67

      Not nitpicky. Some of these guys need to do their homework before hitting the keyboard. Journalism 101.

    • cliff henny

      wouldnt shock me if it was half on purpose.

    • myeaglescantwin

      boom..

      just another reason to turn off the media before and after the draft.

      these analyst have a success rate under 1%.

      • sprawl

        What bothers me the most is that whenever some media analyst from outside Philly tries to write about the Eagles we laugh and call them clueless because we know they aren’t following the team closely enough to catch all the details…

        But when the draft guys sit down and give draft ratings on hundreds of college kids and try to project them to NFL teams based on a cursory knowledge of each team’s situation a LOT of fans treat it as gospel.

      • sprawl

        What bothers me the most is that whenever some media analyst from outside Philly tries to write about the Eagles we laugh and call them clueless because we know they aren’t following the team closely enough to catch all the details…

        But when the draft guys sit down to give draft ratings on hundreds of college kids and try to project them to NFL teams based on a cursory knowledge of each team’s situation a LOT of fans treat it as gospel.

        • myeaglescantwin

          the gospel according to SPRAWL..
          ahha, couldn’t have said it better. definitely a double standard.

  • cliff henny

    what has become painfully obvious in the mock guys do not look at scheme. fact that Norris at what will be over a year removed from D-jax’s cutting is still trying to project that type to Eagles is mindblowing, for talking head who’s half decent.

  • Harpy Eagle

    Really Josh Norris? A player we outright cut is going to determine who we choose in 2015 draft? … SMH

  • jabostick

    That Peter King article was interesting to read. Sounds like we nearly got a 2015 1st rounder out of Minny. That would’ve been incredible. We still probably could’ve picked Smith too

  • JAMIN67

    It’s great to read the analysts’ perspective, but the truth is we won’t know how successful this draft was for a few years. On paper, I’m happy. I think Smith is the real deal…Matthews is a perfect fit…Watkins is going to be exceptionally good (I think maybe the first to earn a starting role)….Huff will be better than expected (the more I watch of this kid, the more I love the way he plays the game)….and Hart will be solid. That to me is a great draft as we addressed some key areas that needed either improvement or depth.

    Wish we could have addressed the OL, but that’s probably next year. In the meantime, looks like the Eagles are looking to add depth. Adam Caplan just reported that Daryn Colledge is scheduled for a visit Wed/Thurs…would be a nice pickup if we can get him for a reasonable price, and he has played on all positions along the line.

    • cliff henny

      let’s not ignore UDFA, Joseph was made for Kelly’s offense, bet he gets more touches than Polk this year. Annen out of Cinci has legit chance of making team. Graf out of USC can play too. worst case is PS for a year. i’m most excited to see the 35th on back guys, the Longs and Tobins, guys who didnt get any PT because of health. Kelly,Hals and crew have been beating these guys into shape for a year. i look at what they did to Cooper and Wolff, sure someone buried on bench made huge strides.

      • JAMIN67

        Absolutely…I’m excited to see what Kruger and Long can do this year after a year of learning the system mentally while rehabbing physically. I think some of these guys will surprise us.

        • cliff henny

          did you see the 90 man roster? tommy at IB had it the other day. not alot of fluff. there’s going to be battle for top 35 PT guys, for 46 active, the 53 squad, heck, PS is going to great battle. days of knowing Ried’s 50 out of the 53 before OTA’s and who gives a rip about practice squad are over.

          • JAMIN67

            No, haven’t checked out the full 90 yet, but based on the players we had and the ones we’ve drafted/signed, I believe it. It’s such a nice problem to have. I only have one request, and it’s that the only Matthews on the roster is Jordan…

          • NickS1

            I can’t wait to read some idiot’s comments thinking they’re brothers.

          • Andy124

            Their not?

          • NickS1

            They could be brothers from other mothers.

          • Richard Colton

            I did. Need to see what Kelly and Bamiro can do at G/OT this year – its make or break time for them. That, and we look really weak depth wise at ILB. You-know-who might even make the 53.

          • Andy124

            Well, you know who is awesome. It only makes sense for him to be on the roster. I doubt Ryans can hold him out of the starting lineup for another full year.

          • Richard Colton

            not with that spider chart he can’t. Casey “the tick” Matthews

          • Andy124

            “The Tick” was awesome. Casey wishes he was that cool and had his own moth side-kick.

          • Warhound

            The Tick as the DL! The whole line! SPOON!!!!

            Note: The Tick cartoon from ~ 20yrs ago is on U-tube. Very funny ish.

          • cliff henny

            especially with Knott getting popped for 4 games and fletcher coming back off Knee.
            .
            Howie’s mentioned Long one too many times, think that’s the guy i’m watchinng. something is brewing there.

      • NickS1

        I said it the other day, but I can’t wait to see Josey in this offense. I don’t know that he gets much PT this year, but luckily for him Sproles isn’t a spring chicken anymore. Won’t be shocked if Polk is traded. Not saying I want it to happen, just won’t be shocked.

        • cliff henny

          forgot all about Tucker. sounds like he took failing conditioning drill personally. Kelly said he’s in best shape of any rb.

          • NickS1

            So did I until I saw someone mention it on this post. He may look great, still have to see what he can do, though, which I hope is something. Think you hit the nail on the head in your statement below. Camp battles may end up being better entertainment than the Jacksonville game. Love seeing the turnaround in philosophy, and actually having position battles.

  • Tikkit

    Here is my take: If these draft “experts” have different grades what does that mean?
    It means that they know nothing about the process by which the teams choose and can offer nothing but conjecture and speculation based on what an outsider can see. My grade? Incomplete.

    • myeaglescantwin

      YAYEEY YEYHEEAHHH!!!

    • peteike

      not that they know nothing but they are guessing just like everyone else. Fans who get upset by low grades are just as silly imo. I cant stand everyone thinking they know value at this point, its pure speculation. Only a handful of players in first few rounds are really high percentage guesses, even then it could be wrong. I feel like Matthews is the one guy in this draft I can rest easy on.

      • Andy124

        Like you said, the draft grades are for entertainment purposes only. Even the people that are writing the grades know that. Everybody knows they don’t know, not for a few years. But they get paid to write them, and people read them.

        • peteike

          ya all for fun, not trying to be a downer but I get annoyed at times with the over reactions one way or the other. Incomplete is right

    • Maggie

      Yup. One guy likes Smith in the first round, another guy states that NOBODY had him in the early rounds. Pure geniuses. Geniae?

  • knighn

    Doug Farrar gave the Eagles a C?
    I give him an F.
    And also a U.

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  • Joe from Easton

    I know the only reason that I know more about the Eagles and their draft than these analysts is because I live and breathe Eagles’ football and don’t pay attention to anything else. With that said, I don’t get paid to be a damned analyst. These guys are terrible and I can’t believe they’re getting fat checks to write garbage that is clearly not founded in any research or critical thinking. Tim, Sheil, keep up your good work, because the rest of the trash that I read makes me want to donkey punch my computer monitor.

  • DAWK215

    Sheil, can you write a little about the guys that were in PS and IR from last season and maybe their improvements so far? I hate to read about these analysts regurgitate there vormits as expert analysis on players they only watched on TV and never got to know them. I’ll wait until after the 5th week of the season to really start guaging this draft.

  • Dreday410

    They gave the Eagles a “C” all over ONE pick ?
    makes no sense IF Eagles would have took an WR then they would not had a chance to get an LB who by the way had 14.5 sacks

  • Dreday410

    How is Huff a bad pick when he will be doing the same thing he has been doing for the last 4 years he has more time in this Offense then any Veteran going into his rookie year….This guy is Darren Sproles replacement down the line

  • Dreday410

    And to all the people who are saying the Eagles could have got Smith in second round are wrong 34 LB’s was drafted that was the most at any postition other the WR which was (34) and it’s not fair but something about Marqise Lee says “ME FIRST” he seem like a DeSean type I mean the guy refuse to run any shuttle or 40 at the combine

  • Honest_T

    I don’t see why everyone is getting so worked up about drafting guys that will not be productive starters for another year of 2. This was a deep draft, but that is because there are so many underclassmen, so you had to expect we would be drafting talent that we want to coach-up to be productive starters in out years. Also, we have a really solid starting line-up. My main gripe is that we didn’t get an ILB to develop behind Ryans and so we can finally part ways with Casey Matthews, but I imagine we will pick-up someone cut from another squad.

    My take:

    Smith: Great trade back by Howie to get 3rd rounder from the Browns to move up 4 spots. I am eager to see Smith develop. Ryan Riddle, who was a 3-4 end for the Raiders was really impressed with Smith saying “if you put Smith’s tools in Anthony Barr’s body, you get Jadeveon Clowney. That’s good enough for me to be excited to watch his development.

    Matthews: I would have rather stayed put and taken Latimer plus an early 3, but I really like Matthews size and speed combination.

    Huff: I think the Birds were looking OL and all of those guys were gone so they took Huff b/c WR dropped off after him. I view him as Avant with more YAC but not as dependable hands. Would have rather had Breeland, Desir or an ILB.

    Watkins: I like the him. Scouts say he is a great press order, who can move and run well.

    Hart: A rotational player with upside is what you expect in Round 5, mission accomplished

    Reynolds: a young player with good size that has a nose for the ball. Hopefully he can develop and get on the field. I think we needed more depth at CB and ILB but I won’t complain about drafting a guy in the secondary that can tackle.

    Allen: seems like a wacky dude, who will push Square to become the player the Birds hoped he could become, but will never be.

  • Amar

    Josh Norris, the Skins have the 1st overall pick in 2015

  • NickS1

    Read Peter King’s MMQB piece on the trade scenarios, almost doesn’t seem like a 4th offer was actually involved. Just may have been how it read, but that was my takeaway from it. I think it was just worded poorly.

    • cliff henny

      or, Cleveland asked PK to toss a story bone, make it seem like they didnt get played by Howie.

      • NickS1

        Very possible. There’s just no mention of this 4th solid offer until the very last sentence of the last bullet point. Clearly wasn’t that solid. Or just never existed.

        • cliff henny

          4th, was having hard time finding 3rd. though, Minne’s 1st next yr, plus Bryce trade would have been interesting. might have suffered little this yr but that’s how you can kickstart to getting SF draft like hauls.

  • cliff henny

    wow, joe haden, 5yrs 68m, 45m guaranteed. bet that more than Eagles paying top 5 safeties and corner top 5 corners over next 2 yrs combined (w/ C-Wills bloated ’15 he’ll never see).

    • oreofestar

      Jesus…

      • cliff henny

        these contracts are weird. when it’s our guy, i’m in ‘pay whatever, do whatever, lock him up’ camp. when it’s other 31 teams, especially subpar teams i think ‘what in the world are they doing, about 15 pieces away and drop 1/15 cap on 1 player’.
        .
        Sherman’s and Thomas’ contracts with Seattle made sense, they have pieces already there, process in place to replace.

    • Amar

      Hopefully Boykin doesn’t move outside, I really like him. Georgia boy…

      • Eagledelphia

        No way he’s ever staying in Philly if they don’t move him outside

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        If boykin wants his money he better want to move outside. I think boykin gonna be mad if they keep him in a limited role.. could be why they drafted that florida gator..

      • oreofestar

        More worried about Marcus time when he needs his 6 year 75mil extension :P

        • Amar

          Eagles fans…

        • Anebriated

          Good thing we hold the fifth year option because we took him in the first round

  • Maggie

    From what I am reading in these comments, it was something of a gamble to draft Huff? Or maybe a sure thing.

  • Richard Colton

    My takeaways from the draft, now that I’ve had a chance to digest:

    1) It’s Chip’s team. And he doesn’t care what you think. Howie has been superseded as the #1 guy on player personal issues.
    2) No exceptional athletes. You’re a 5’8″ star at your position with tiny hands? How nice for you. You won’t be an Eagle.
    3) No character red flags. ever.
    4) We’ll reach for a need, and we don’t care if: CBS, ESPN, Ron Jaworski, Kiper, McShay, Ray Diddinger, Les Bowen, Sheil Kapadia, Tim McManus, Rich Colton, Comcast Sportsnet, Howard Eskin, Glen Macnow, and the entire Philly Media all raise an eyebrow.
    5) Eagles take a holistic approach to the draft. When I draft in round one, I’m thinking about anticipated value in round three and four also.

    • Maggie

      If I may add to your point #5? When they draft in any round, they’re also thinking about 2015, 2016, 2017…..

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Exactly. Tell’em maggie!! you go gurl!!! *snap **snap ***snap

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      1 – wrong. Howie’s job changed, in the fact that he now has to scout for different kinds of players. He cant be looking for 4-3 DL, the offense requries a smarter more involved player. No WR on the team will be the “left” WR and the “right” WR.. he needs more versatile offensive players. So what looks to you like howie is superseded its really the dynamics of his job was changed. I mean Josh Huff is a perfect fit for the offense and was only a 3rd round guy… Jordan Matthews is the hardest working WR in the draft, he can learn this offense and be in the conditioning prgram busting his butt setting an example.. Taylor Hart is the perfect fit for the DL.

      2 – they were ready to draft the 5’8 brandon cooks with their 1st round pick… and who would want a slow non playmaking tiny WR/RB with tiny hands? lmfao so this is another fail

      3 – Since we have a unique lockeroom and conditioning program, they want hard working blue collar types that will follow the program. Thats what will push all of chips coaching philosophys over the top out on the field

      4 – well is it a reach if they in fact dont really reach but trade back pick up what ends to be 2 extra players that add value to the team.. so u fill a need with a player with long term potential along with 2 others with similar potential.

      5 – Whats wrong with that?? (refer back to #4) When its comes to value, more value out weighs.. less value. That my friend is well… common cents, i mean sense.

      Have a nice day! ;^)

      • Richard Colton

        interesting points Charlie. and thanks for keeping them organized.
        1) nothing else counts for the evolution in strategy – what little Howie let slip about the back-and-forth in the draft room proves it. Huff/Watkins/Heart were Chip guys. None of those players get drafted in 2013. Smith doesn’t happen in 2013.
        2) You think that, can’t prove it. I can prove they drafted 7 players, none of whom are exceptions. Check out the priority Free Agents, same. You’re countering with a rumor. You have to do better than that.
        3) we agree. you’re getting smarter.
        4) Again we agree. that’s what reaches are. again – goes to point one.
        5) that’s not better or worse – just different. Based on the 2012 & 2013 draft, their picks weren’t dictated by who they though would be available a round later. They did that in 2014.

        • Anebriated

          While you are trying to prove Charlie’s points wrong based on rumor and conjecture you use the same philosophy in your approach to the new Eagles front office. Way too many absolutes in your statements.

          1)Howie is on record saying that he wanted Huff as much if not more than Chip. It is laughable to say that none get drafted in 2013. (“you think that, can’t prove it.”)

          2)Chip has said his measurables are a guideline, not the rule. If Desean wasn’t a PITA and made less money who is to say that he isn’t still an Eagle?

          3) What happens in a year when we have that solid foundation in place of players who have bought in and run the system with ease? We can then take a flier on a guy with a checkered past because we will have the leadership and system in place where the guys wont stand for it.

          4)They aren’t picking for the fans. They are picking to make the Eagles the best team they can. Short of knowing where the rest of the league FO’s had Smith on their boards(reportedly some as very early second round) it is impossible to know if it was a reach or not. I trust our FO more than I trust the majority of people who write the mock drafts

          5)Every draft is different and you need to adjust your philosophy and approach to it accordingly. Only time will tell if they were good moves or not.

          • Richard Colton

            Charlie’s too busy slurping the FO – it’s his thing. He can’t see the change in philosophy because he doesn’t want to. This draft was really interesting to me because it was such a departure.

            Look at what we know happened in 2012/2013 vs. 2014. Completely different drafts. It’s possible that’s due to coincidence. Doesn’t seem likely to me.

          • Anebriated

            I disagree. It appears that way because our needs have changed as did the players who were available. We still targeted high character guys with a ton of upside.

            round 1) Lane Johnson, another guy who we thought would take time to grow into his new position. Of the 3 OT’s he was thought to be the most raw with the highest upside(Smith). Was a position of need.
            round 2)Ertz, solid TE who many had pegged as the 2nd or 3rd best TE in the draft and was a Pac-12 guy. Was a position of need.(I wanted Kiko)
            round 3)Bennie Logan, undersized guy with extremely high character and is a hard worker. Measurables fit with the exception of height(very long arms for his size) graduated
            round 4)Matt Barkley, again through our wheeling and dealing we had the first pick in the 4th, we used it on Barkley who our FO thought was the best player available(Watkins) Pac-12 guy

            I could do the same with 2012 Fletcher Cox, Kendricks(Pac-12), Foles and Boykin. I remember all of the complaining when we took Foles in round 3, hindsight is 20/20.Even further down the draft you see similarities. Wolff and Reynolds, Kruger and Hart are somewhat similar except I dont think Hart is a player we will stash on the PS for a year. The drafts aren’t as different as you are trying to make them out to be, we just got more info from the FO and have a better understanding of what they are doing now.

          • Richard Colton

            Ok. Well everything you said is right. In ’12 & ’13 we chased value, regardless of perceived need. In ’14, we reached a little for need. I see that as a shift in organizational dynamics, you see it as a change in philosophy based on where the team has progressed.

            But can we at least agree that its a change?

            Now the reason I like my rationale better is because of the lessons Howie learned from 2011. No matter how close you think your team is to contention, reaching isn’t good draft policy.

          • Anebriated

            We can always agree to disagree, thats the glory of being a fan. Our opinions dont really matter.

            I would agree that there was a dynamics shift when Howie took over and then a change in philosophy when Chip became the head coach. I do believe that Chip does not like being labeled as anything and will break away from his philosophies for a pick if he deems it worthy. I dont think he is so stuck in his ways that he would make a pick to spite himself.

            Also, we have a major difference in opinion on the so called “reach”. Thats probably where the majority of our disagreement comes from.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          1 – lets see… still needed OLB help in 2013… as well as DL help// since that is when we transitioned into the 3-4. huff still would have been a perfect fit and nice mid round target..

          2 – its clear they wanted cooks.. howie said he had his 6 targets..

          3 – if u agree with 3 then u must agree with 1.. lol because they go hand and foot..

          4 – its not a reach if u trade back get the best player on your board and get more value.. more value equals no reach

          5 – Every draft,they have ever had they go in with preconceived notions about where a player will fall, thats the most important thing.. lol.. they play out scenario after scenario to prepare for that

  • Honest_T

    Chip, welcome to Negadelphia!

    Our sports fans and radio hosts know more than any coach or talent evaluator ever hired by an athletic organization.

    Chip hasn’t won a game in over 100 days which means we will clamor that he should be fired along with Howie, Ruin Tomorrow Jr., and the entire Flyers organization. The Sixers are fine because losing the most games in history is part of “the plan”
    (which they will be the 1st to prove actually works).

    We are loud and boo everyone and anyone, which makes us the smrtest and toughest fans in sports!

    It is impossible for any of us to be optimistic or concede certain professionals know more than we do. We are right because the sports radio hosts agree with us!

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    I wanna see what this kid Henry Josey can do.. he has some speed and some heart.

    Plus the Trey Burton kid and even that other TE they signed thats from u of Cin. They like those Cin TE’s lol..

    The Carey Spears is interesting. But on some of those youtube videos where he hits people, his kicks didnt make it to the end zone in them. lol.. so his leg better be good. he wont beat henery in a mid range FG contest. BUT the kid can run a lil, he scored a TD from a hand off from the holder, looked pretty quick. Henery cant do that

  • Warhound

    “Reynolds might not be the best safety in the draft, but he’s a turnover machine.”
    Hey, Bryan, you mean “takeaway” machine.

  • Clamdigger

    Nice. Their review grades are just as far apart as their draft predictions. Like, everyone had Odell Beckham going to the Eagles at 22 and he went at 12. So “reaching” 10 spots isn’t a big deal in the top 20, but “reaching” 10 spots at the back end of the 1st round is apparently unconscionable.