Eagles Trade Back, Select Marcus Smith At 26

NCAA Football: Louisville at Connecticut
The Eagles traded back in the first round and selected Louisville outside linebacker Marcus Smith  26th overall.

The Eagles sent the 22nd pick to Cleveland, which chose none other than Johnny Manziel — the player that once broke Chip Kelly‘s heart when he opted for Texas A&M over Oregon. They received Cleveland’s No. 26 and a third-rounder (No. 83 overall) in return. Howie Roseman and Kelly now have seven selections in what is considered a talent-rich draft.

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They used their first one to address a position of need.

"I think he has a huge upside. He is a very, very good athlete," said Kelly. "He's got speed coming off the edge. We thought adding a pass-rusher was a big thing for us, a young kid to bring in behind Trent [Cole] and Connor [Barwin] and those guys can kind of teach him the ropes and bring him along and show him what we can do. I think his ceiling is very, very high so we're excited."

NFL.com's Nolan Nawrocki projected Smith to go in the third or fourth round. Others had a second-round grade on him. Kelly, though, said that he was the top-rated player on their board.

"I don't know if anybody had a mock draft, but if anyone predicted this one in terms of where everyone is right now they are all shaking their heads," said Kelly of what proved to be a first round full of surprises.

Smith, on a conference call with Philly reporters, was asked if he thought he would be one of the first 32 selected.

"You know, I had a feeling that I would but I didn't really know exactly," he said. "I thought I was looking at early second, maybe even the third round. But I'm just so happy the Eagles took a chance on me."

The 6-3, 251-pounder finished second in the nation last year with 14.5 sacks and tested well in several categories at the combine:

Kelly has on multiple occasions outlined the three things the Eagles want from the OLB position: a player who can set the edge against the run, rush the passer and drop back into coverage.

Louisville showed multiple looks defensively last year, but Smith was asked to do all three of those things and lined up in a variety of places.

He was recruited to Louisville as a quarterback, so he is still relatively new to the position. But with his size, length (34-inch arms) and athleticism, he has a lot of tools to work with.

"He is a little bit new to the position. Maybe a similar situation to Lane [Johnson] in terms of, you're getting a guy with huge upside because he hasn't played the position for that long," said Kelly. "They played multiple defenses there. He's played with his hand on the ground, he's played standing up, he can drop into coverage, he can rush the quarterback. We're excited about adding him, and the fact that we could move back a little bit and pick up another pick because we were short we felt in what we think is a good draft, we thought it was a great situation for us."

As for some other potential targets that were mentioned during the lead-up to the draft: Outside linebacker Anthony Barr went ninth overall to Minnesota. Odell Beckham was taken by the Giants with the 12th pick. And Virginia Tech Kyle Fuller went to Chicago at 14. Marqise Lee was still on the board, but the Eagles went with the pass-rusher instead.

Asked what current players he tries to emulate on the field, he mentioned Osi Umenyiora, Aldon Smith and Clay Matthews.  He believes that he compares well with pass rushers in his class like Barr, and was possibly rated lower by some coming out because he only had one really good year on the collegiate level.

"I'm pretty much the same as those guys. I have good technique, I can rush the passer and I can also drop into coverage," said Smith. "I feel like I'm very athletic and I feel like I could have gone up where those guys went as far as my talent goes. But I know how the draft goes and I know all you have to do is get one team to love you, and I know that the Eagles will take care of me and I'm just so happy to be a part of this organization."

 Sheil Kapadia contributed to this story.

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  • Mugzy Payton

    ohh awesome another QB like Lane. Awful pick

    • dnabrice

      Lane worked out fine.

    • Wilbert M.

      You really think Lane was a bad pick?

    • Maggie

      QB?

      • Andy124

        Lane and Marcus both played some QB in their past.

  • mtn_green

    The spider chart is versus DE not LB. At least they got another 3rd, and addressed defense early.

  • Dominik

    Wow. Just wow. I bet Roseman died to trade down again, because it’s a reach. But a position of dire need and without much depth in the draft. So I don’t complain. But I bet he would have been there with pick 35 or so.

    Glad the Panthers took Benjamin.

  • ochospantalones

    So much for Best Player Available.

    • knighn

      Whose chart, Dutch?
      Yours?
      The Media’s?
      Or Chip’s?

      • ochospantalones

        Haha! Hey there buddy! Good to see you again! You seem a little bitter though.

        I actually don’t really have a problem with the pick. I was just leading with a joke, because why not? I don’t watch college football at all, so I am not going to claim any particular expertise on the draft. I hope the kid is good, to me OLB was the biggest area of need on the entire team.

        Also, why “Dutch”? I assume it is meant to be insulting, but I legitimately have no idea what it means.

        • Adam

          Dutch is a Birds 24/7 legend who was literally never wrong. Even if you agreed with him, you were somehow wrong.

          • ochospantalones

            Ha. I just have little tolerance for pro-management spin. I didn’t watch thousands of hours of tape on these guys like Geagle, and I’m not going to BS like I did. I’ll read up on this guy tomorrow.

          • knighn

            Geagle had a hard on for this guy. Called him “Marcus Darling”.
            Incidentally, I have little tolerance for excessive pro-player spin. Non-guaranteed contracts is one of the biggest things that the NFL has over the other 3 pro leagues.

          • ochospantalones

            I am sure the billionaires really appreciate your efforts to protect their interests. Keep up the good work.

          • knighn

            Happily. Fans like you fail to see how this supports our interests as well. You must have loved it when the Sixers were saddled forever with Andre Iguodala. You must love that the Phillies are absolutely stuck with Ryan Howard. All for the good of the multi-millionaire players. That really helps out us billionaire fans, right?

          • ochospantalones

            Maybe the solution is to just not sign stupid contracts? Like if you have a gigantic first baseman in his 30′s, a type of player it is well established does not age well, you don’t sign him to a five year deal two years before he becomes a free agent? Somehow not every MLB team is run by people as dumb as Ruben Amaro.

          • knighn

            That’s another discussion. Fully guaranteed multi-million dollar contracts in pro sports are stupid. That’s the point.
            That Ruben Amaro Jr. is also stupid is just another topic.

          • ochospantalones

            Also do you actually not understand that the average NFL player is not a multi-millionaire? The average career lasts a bit over 3 years. Tons of guys don’t ever get a full season at the league minimum, which is less than $500K. The notion that NFL players are uniformly extremely rich is absurd.

          • knighn

            OMG, call the whambulance.

            http://nflcommunications.com/2011/04/18/what-is-average-nfl-player’s-career-length-longer-than-you-might-think-commissioner-goodell-says/

            At a low salary of only averaging $400,000 during that time, these guys make over $2 million in 6 years. Did you make $2 million in the last 6 years? If so, good for you! I sure the hell didn’t. And I don’t have sympathy for guys who did it playing a game. I sympathize only with the fans, and I want to see the best possible product. Guaranteed contracts limit this possibility.

          • ochospantalones

            See, this is exactly what I mean about how you love buying into pro-management BS. They put those numbers out during the lockout, and they’re a joke. How exactly did “NFL player” become “opening day roster as a rookie”? There are in fact NFL players players who did not make the opening day roster as a rookie. You all talk about these Joe Kruger types all the time, but suddenly they do not exist. So all the players are rich, if you exclude the ones who are not!

            Also, even if you buy these numbers, $2 million for getting CTE or having a stroke on the field does not sound like a great deal to me. I’ll stick to my desk job.

          • knighn

            1) Between Adam and IAteLunchToday, we get a pretty good idea for numbers. Yes: I buy them
            2) The players that don’t make the rosters… don’t play! They don’t put themselves at further risk for an NFL beating because they aren’t playing!
            3) The players are players; not indentured servants, not gladiators and certainly not slaves. No one forces these guys to play a rough game for big money. In fact: they’re free to give up their huge paychecks any time and quit the game. They can stick to a desk job just like the rest of us… and let someone else willing to take a risk for big money play the game.
            Do I feel bad for the guys who played when the contracts weren’t as lucrative and when the information wasn’t as available? Certainly. Just as I feel worse for anyone who smoked before all of the information was available on the dangers of cigarette smoking. Do I feel bad for players who take up the game now or people who take up smoking now? Not really. The information is there. The player makes the choice to take the risks for the sake of the rewards.
            Once again:
            I am neither a millionaire nor a billionaire. I want to watch a game. I want that game to be the best possible game. I DON’T want to watch players that teams cannot cut who have suddently gotten too old and unable to play, and I DON’T want to watch players with guaranteed contracts grow lazy because they have a guaranteed contract for the next 5 years.
            You may not like it, but non-guaranteed contracts are one of the best parts of the NFL. Side up with your millionaire union buddies. I’m sitting with the fans.

          • Adam

            The average NFL salary is $1.9 million. Average career length for a player who makes the opening day roster their rookie year is 6 years. So it’s not exactly a stretch to say average NFL players are multi-millionaires.

          • knighn

            Your numbers are even better than mine.

          • Adam

            What they do with that money is a different story, but their earnings would indicate that they are.

          • IAteLunchToday

            Using the average is terrible. Median is much better which was 770k and the length is 3.5 years. So with that taken into account minus taxes, agent fees, etc they are still left with more money than me :D

            Average/median Stanford grad is 116k/150k with a career of 40 years. I don’t understand how anyone recruited to go to Stanford would go somewhere else. Possibility of making bank if you’re good at football, if not you are still well off. Off subject but kind of interesting.

        • knighn

          Nah, just happy to expose another negative nelly know-it-all. Your posting reminds me of another guy who we used to know. He left when he finally realized how completely wrong he was.

          • Adam

            No, he simply transcended the earthly plane and is now a deity somewhere in internet heaven.

          • knighn

            I believe his spirit somehow still influences many of our newer posters.

          • Joe from Easton

            This one made me laugh heartily.

          • ochospantalones

            You’re really not very self-aware, are you?

          • knighn

            Cogito Ergo Sum

  • GreenScabs

    Value is absolutely pathetic! Even if he becomes a pro-bowler, we could have gotten him in the 2nd round. Trade back for anything if your plan is to draft Smith. This is a terrible pick value wise……

    • glngarryglnross

      I remember when everyone griped when SEA took Bruce Irvins. He fit what they were trying to do. No one griping anymore

      • GreenScabs

        I’m not saying he won’t be a good player, and god knows I hope he does, but the value will never make sense in a draft this deep. If the Eagles were so high on him trade back for a 6th rounder, or trade up in the 2nd round after drafting Lee!! Still a lot of talent to choose from, but this is by fa the biggest reach of the draft so far

        • George

          False. See: Benjamin, Kelvin ; Bortles, Blake

          • willissez

            Ford, Dee…lol good ol Big Red

          • George

            That falls into a whole other category of Reaching

          • baxter322

            Classic undersized fastball Andy Reid special

        • Brazilnut

          People seem to be under the impression that if we wanted to trade back we could have. Seems pretty obvious Howie was working the phone and getting no bites.

    • Jeff Asay

      And just how do Eagles guarantee he’s there when they pick? Not in love with the pick but I’m not upset either. It’s a thin position where Eagles have exactly one player on the roster who fits. So while we don’t like to draft for need, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.

      • glngarryglnross

        I dont mind dropping back and getting pick 83 and then getting somene who fits your OLB spot

      • Hanibal Luis

        My sentiments exactly. Not my first choice there but hey, got an extra 3rd.

        • George

          Yeah, we fleeced the browns on that one

    • birdsfan34

      If he becomes a pro bowler I don’t care where he goes

  • JReamer

    I must say this kinda shocked me. Feels like a reach.

  • Shark

    In Chip We Trust

  • Jeff Asay

    Headline still says 22 instead of 26 fellas.

  • tk76

    Felt like an Andy pick.

    Seems like the 2 players they targeted went 20 and 21, so they traded back. Then they made a needs pick for a player that may or may not have slid to their 2nd round selection. Defineitely should have traded back firther if that was the player they wanted.

    • Brazilnut

      Likely no one willing to trade with them, and no way Smith was making it to 54.

    • willissez

      The Andy pick was Dee Ford at 23, you must have been texting during that one.

      • Wilbert M.

        I like Smith much more than Ford. Ford is too small.

    • Eneagled<3

      This would be an Andy pick if we had no starting OLB to speak of. This is a developmental pick as this guy will be behind Cole, Barwin and Graham to start out.

      • glngarryglnross

        I wouldnt call it developmental. More like “upside” he’ll play right away.

        • Richard Colton

          in front of Barwin or Cole/Graham?

          • Adam

            Graham is a goner. Get a 6th and send him packing.

          • Richard Colton

            Looks like, provided they find a dance partner.

          • Andy124

            I think he has a real shot to displace Cole quickly.

  • http://www.jhkayejr.com Joseph Kaye

    Not crazy about this.

  • Glenn

    I don’t care if this guy becomes a hall of famer. You don’t pick a guy you could have picked with one of your third round picks in the first round. We could have traded down, grabbed some picks. Lee would have looked good. This guy would have been available much later! Late third round. Ridiculous. Disgusted!

    • glngarryglnross

      Not a 3rd rd pick not close

    • willissez

      if you could tell me how to purchase this crystal ball you have I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance.

    • southy

      Was it a bit high to take him? Sure. No way he’s a late 3rd rd pick.

    • Brazilnut

      You haven’t been paying much attention if you think they could have gotten him in the 3rd. He wasn’t even supposed to last until the 2nd pick.

    • #1GeagleFan

      not third round, mid second, but they probably tried to slide back but couldn’t… key is adding pieces to defense, i bet more to follow, probably even another rolb

    • gabe

      he was supposed to be a late 1st early second and according to maylock and kiper the 49ers wanted him with there pick

    • EagleDuck

      Yeah you’re totally right. Howie and Chip are idiots. You on the other hand are a football legend. Your Front Office savvy is known far and wide, referenced in hushed tones full of awe and wonder.

    • Wilbert M.

      No way he lasted that long. This guy was a target of a lot of teams. You’re not a sleeper when everyone thinks you’re a sleeper.

    • Richard Colton

      come on man. read any article on this site the last 2 weeks. Smith was a riser – nobody thought he would last to 86

      • Glenn

        He was rising. Agreed. But I think no better that mid to late 40′s. And most likely available at 54. But there were several options at the second round level there to address the OLB need, like Attaochu, Van Noy, and this guy, I also am wary of late risers in last week up to draft, usually overrated.

    • Maggie

      Don’t be ridiculous. It was nearly at the end of the first round, almost the second. it’s not like he went 5th or something. If you had been paying attention, there were a couple of picks moved up from the second into the late first. It’s not uncommon. Why do you think the Vikings moved up to #32? They wanted their preferred pick locked up.

      • Glenn

        At the time of the post, I believed Marcus Smith was a guy who would have been available at 54. And they should have picked Lee, a guy I really like,

    • Joe from Easton

      This guy ABSOLUTELY would not have been there in the third round and probably wouldn’t have even been there at 54. Mock drafts are mostly based one player evaluation, not league wide trends. He was the 4th or 5th best pass rusher in a draft that was not loaded with them by any stretch of the imagination. If the Eagles took Lee and waited on a pass rusher they would’ve gotten a second or third tier player. Instead they still have plenty of WR’s available, and additional third round pick, and will probably get a later round pick for Graham.

      • Glenn

        I have to admit that I was not a Marcus Smith expert at the time of the post. And I thought of him as a late second round or third round pick. But, now I see why they did what they did. I just felt last night that Lee would more likely be an impact player than the others. The Eagles disagree, and feel that Lee isn’t any better than some other receivers that will be available at 54. I also felt that either Van Noy, Attaochu, or Smith would be available at 54. But now I see that there is a good chance that all three of these guys will be picked by 54. So, they felt the depth at WR was there, but not at OLB. Makes sense now.

        • Joe from Easton

          It was a smart pick. It wasn’t flashy or edgy or lock step with the experts. It was a pick that made our ROLB position better and Barwin better at the same time. We got a third rounder on top of it and now Graham is no longer needed so I hope they flip him. We all just need to have some patience. Trust me, I wanted to get on here last night and blast the pick, but I slept on it and woke up this morning with a clearer idea of what they were doing. Let’s also not forget that Gamble has a lot of input. Look out west at some team called the 49er’s; Gamble built that defense. This guy reminds me of Aldon a bit.

          • Glenn

            If they really liked this guy, and they were convinced he would not be available at 54, and they could not trade down, I have no problem with this pick. Last night, I thought that there was no way this guy would not be available at 54, but I guess there were several teams who feel he is worth an early to mid second round pick. I hope he becomes Aldon Smith, minus the baggage.

          • Joe from Easton

            Food for thought… Just posted this to someone else regarding the Aldon comparison…

            Aldon:
            Height / Weight / Reach / Hands – 6’4″ / 263 lbs / 35 1/4″ / 9 3/4″
            40 yard – 4.78 seconds
            Bench – 20 Reps
            Vert – 34″
            Broad – 118″
            3 Cone – 7.19 seconds
            20 yard shuttle – 4.5 seconds

            Marcus:
            Height / Weight / Reach / Hands – 6’3″ / 251 lbs / 34″ / 10″
            40 yard – 4.68 seconds
            Bench – 23 Reps
            Vert – 35″
            Broad – 121″
            3 Cone – 7.48 seconds
            20 yard shuttle – 4.47 seconds

  • Will

    Hate this pick…reach big time…

    • eaglesfanqc

      This isn’t firstpick.com.. This is real life! If Roseman, Kelly & co said they was high on him, just trust them for god sake!

      • paul from nc

        Why?? Because of all the RIngs they have?

  • mtn_green
  • wydok

    What a downer.

  • Brian G

    You all say it’s a reach because all the writers you follow didn’t have him ranked high. But let me ask you, what do any of these people really know? If they were such brilliant minds, they’d have a job in a front office. I’ll give howie and chip the benefit of the doubt. They’ve earned it.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, a lot of these guys have a much better deal in media than the scouting world. Scouting sucks, spending weeks away from home, getting bed-bugs in the La Quinta Inn, scouting guys that will end up being insurance salesmen.

      • peteike

        Exactly. Dont equate tv talent to scout grunt work. Sure theyve done homework but not same.

    • Eneagled<1

      I agree. And I think something Howie said is very telling. They’re drafting on projected a few years down the road; not on where the player is currently. So lets trust their measurables and sports science and see where this ends up.

    • ochospantalones

      I don’t really care about draft value, and the draft consensus is often wrong. So if the kid can play, then great. Take him. I don’t think you should pass on a player you believe is a long term starter at a key position in hopes of grabbing him later. And you shouldn’t pass on a guy because Mel Kiper is going to rip you.

      That said, I also don’t think anyone has earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. Chip and Roseman have been paired together for one year. It was a good year. But it’s going to take a lot more than that before it is time to withhold judgment on their decisions.

      • Brian G

        Howie has put together a couple nice drafts back to back. I was skeptical on him at first, but I’ve come around.

        • ochospantalones

          I would say 2013 was solid. I like Lane Johnson, but I am not sure he is a home run for where he was picked. Ertz I like a lot. I am a Benny Logan skeptic, I think he’s just a rotational guy. I hate everything about Matt Barkley. 2012 is hard to gauge. If Foles actually becomes a perennial Pro Bowler then 2012 upgrades to phenomenal pretty much no matter what else happens. Cox is a solid but not exceptional pick. I still don’t know what to make of Kendricks. Boykins was a steal.

          I don’t know, I am not trashing the guys. I’m just not on the blind trust bandwagon yet. Fat Andy never got that, even when he was making the NFC Championship game every year.

          • Kev_H

            Here’s where you are short sighted again. Lane Johnson had only played offensive line for two seasons in college prior to being picked. In JC he was a QB and TE and in his first year in college he was a TE and DE. The guy is still learning the position and had a solid season as a rookie. I could easy see him putting together a Hall of Fame career with the upside he has yet to realize and being a home run for his draft slot and it already looks like he was a solid pick. It’s hard to imagine him not putting together 4-5 more strong, pro seasons.

          • ochospantalones

            I like Lane Johnson. I don’t think he needs to be a Hall of Famer to justify his draft position. It was a thin draft at the top. If he moves over to left tackle to replace Peters in 2 or 3 years, and is an above average left tackle for another 6 years or so that will justify the pick. If he only ever is a right tackle, unless he’s the greatest right tackle in the league, it will not have been a great pick. Either outcome is plausible at this point, if I had to bet I’d say he continues to develop and makes the move to left tackle successfully. But I am not sure why we are supposed to already give Howie credit for that when it has not happened yet and it is far from certain that it will. Evaluating a guy after one year is notoriously difficult.

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            Yes he did, there was one point in the early 2000′s when we went to BWest as the feature back and when Brown and Lito took over for Vincent and Taylor they were grade A draft picks. In the mid to late 2000′s is when Reid was given MORE control and our drafts and FA’s REALLY started going to crap because you were able to tell how he valued positions…

          • ochospantalones

            He never got that type of deference. People criticized the Eagles for all sorts of stuff in that era. Specifically their refusal to invest in wide receivers or linebackers. Remember when they let Trotter leave the first time? No one was saying “In Andy We Trust”, and certainly not “In Banner We Trust”.

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            You are absolutely correct, I stand corrected. However, my real point is that people need to get off the gravy train that they are being fed by pundits that say certain people are “reaches” or not a “value pick.” Everyone is a critic…the Eagles could have had the top pick and the fans would have still griped about who they picked. It’s because this pick went against what people wanted in “Dawkins replacement.” WE WILL NEVER REPLACE DAWKINS!!! A player like Dawk comes along once every 20 years!!! How about drafting to build THIS team?!?!?! An edge rusher or two helps make the existing secondary BETTER!!

          • ochospantalones

            I think pass rushing outside linebacker was the single biggest area of need on the entire team. So I am not upset they took one. I just hope he’s good. As I have said, if the Eagles really believe Marcus Smith was the best player on the board, not taking him there in hopes of getting him later or because Todd McShay doesn’t like it would be dumb. Take the guys you believe in when they are available. Are the Eagles right and the media draft critics wrong? I have no idea. I have watched zero snaps of Louisville football in the last two years. I sure hope the Eagles are right.

      • Kev_H

        I disagree. Kelly watches and follows these guys on Saturdays in the fall. I am certain he was watching closely when Louisville played at the Linc last year. He also goes to Pro days all over the place. He clearly knows what he wants, from physical measurements down to how a guy interacts with the cafeteria workers. He does tons of homework on these guys. More than any other coach, he knows what he is getting and doesn’t base his decisions on conventional wisdom, falling in love with a guy’s highlights, or his combine numbers. He learns everything he can about them- as much as anyone on earth- and understands how they will contribute to what he is trying to do. Based on that, whatever he does trumps whatever the chattering class says or thinks. They have neither put in the time nor do they know what he is trying to do.

        • Brian

          You singlehandedly changed my mind on this draft pick. Solid points. My initial knee-jerk reaction was that they panicked when Mosely, Clinton-Dix and Cook went right before their pick. But even if those players were in the queue, they went after who they wanted based on their board and the traits that Chip wants. Enough said. Why ask a coach to outline the types of players he wants on his team if you’re going to ignore him or do what conventional wisdom or the talking heads on TV think you should do?

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            I believe they inquired about what it would take to move up to get a Clinton-Dix or Pryor leading up to the draft. They probably didn’t want to give up what it would take, so they traded down and got another upside pass rusher for a 3-4 multiple scheme D. I think this should negate any Dion Jordan speculation. I’m getting tired of the “broken hearted” callers on the radio already, “can’t we still get Dion Jordan, and why didn’t we trad up??” Get the heck over it!!!

        • ochospantalones

          Well, to be clear, I think Chip should absolutely trust in Chip and take whoever he thinks is right. Not trusting his own evaluation because the media says something different would be ridiculous. He’s the one who has to live with the pick. So I am not saying they should draft based on media consensus- the Seahawks certainly do not, and it has worked out ok for them. But I don’t really understand how “Chip puts in a ton of work on this” translates to he must be right and we should accept that he’s right. Every team puts in a ton of work on this (except Jerrah, who is an idiot), and yet teams screw up picks all the time. We’ll know in a couple years if it was a good pick. I’m certainly hoping Chip is right.

    • Glenn

      Guys like Kiper and Mayock make more money and earn more prestige than just about anyone in the front office. These guys would be hired by many front offices. Just saying. Not that they know everything, and are perfect, but not a great analogy.

    • mtn_green
  • FestusPapyrus

    Was the draft tracker on ESPN correct that they waited until the last second to put this in? If so, it seems to me they were doing anything they could to trade down again.

    I agree, likely they could have gotten him later, but I’m no expert. Hopefully I’m a fool and this turns out to be the best pick ever.

  • willissez

    Zomg this is why the nation calls us Negadelphia. We talk for months about how the draft is a crap-shoot, then we take a chance (not to mention the extra chance in a deep draft we got), and everyone wants to blast it. I’m so happy that you know that Smith is a reach, my plan is to give it a season (or…gasp…two) to see how he pans out. Go birds.

  • #1GeagleFan

    it was 15-20 picks too early but they probay tried to slide back but couldn’t… they already added another 3… the guy is good…Geagle says he’ll be a third down specialist first year with cole playing run downs, and next year he’ll switch over to 3 down player with cole off the roster… long arms, good pick… the key is that chip stayed away from wr, which shows he gets it… still another rolb to come

  • Beavis

    Did anyone tell them this pick was the FIRST round and not the third? What happened to best player philosophy? No way this kid was ranked this high on their special “board.”

    • Aussie Eagle

      Chip spoke to the media already and told them he absolutely was that high on our board, and the reason they didn’t go for any of the offers to trade back that they got, for fear of losing him

  • Dante Inked UP Lovings

    If you go draft a guy like this why not draft a safety…like ugh Deon Buccanon!! They could a got a DE in second round

    • Brian G

      Because they had a higher grade on Smith. Why is that so hard to understand? Just because mcshay or kiper didn’t rank him high doesn’t mean anything.

      • JofreyRice

        Yeah, Mayock was also saying he was a second rounder on NFLN. And I think Josh Norris from Rotoworld. And Greg Cosell. So, yeah…

        Maybe he wouldn’t have lasted until 54, and I give credit to Howie for picking up that extra third…but this was at least half a round reach, let’s not try to kid ourselves.

        • JAMIN67

          I can live with that. We all expected them to come out of the first 2 rounds with a WR and an OLB. Lots of good WR still on the board.

        • Brazilnut

          Half round reach for the analysts suddenly becomes a 5-10 pick reach if the Eagles really liked him based on things like medical and interviews. Don’t see anything wrong with that.

          • JofreyRice

            I mean, it really all depends on Smith. If he balls out, no one is going to care. I advocated “reaching” on Kenny Vaccaro at #4 last year, because I believed in him. So hopefully the belief that made them reach by 10-20 picks turns out well-founded.

    • JAMIN67

      Why would we draft a safety when the more pressing need is an OLB?

    • Andy124

      OLB was a much bigger need than S and they most likely had a higher grade on Smith anyway due to his versatility and measurables that are right in Chip’s wheelhouse. 34″ arms. Geez.

  • Ank

    If we wanted to reach shoulda went Van Noy

    • Wilbert M.

      Van Noy is less athletic and not much (if any) experience dropping into coverage. Smith has shown he can do it all. Maybe a reach, but I think less of a reach than Van Noy.

    • Richard Colton

      still out there. Smith gives you more as a pass rusher

  • JofreyRice

    Jack Reacher

    • cliff henny

      if he was eags 3rd olb behind clowney and mack, get extra 3rd, plus not seeing run o wr like we thought, i’m ok.

      • JofreyRice

        he’s a smart, versatile player. Reached by at least a half a round. Like the safeties, I don’t think they want defined roles for the OLBs. He fits as a guy that you can rush or drop interchangeably with Barwin.

        We’ll see how it works out, I like the fact they addressed a spot they have a screaming need at.

        • cliff henny

          he was 3rd guy on list. kelly went to l-ville,they’ve done their homwork.if there wasnt a trade partner, what could they do? see where atta-guy goes, but who’sthe 5th guy? guss could have rolled dice either made it to 54, but they pulled a 3rd, think it’s a success

          • JofreyRice

            You’re right, he was not going to be there at 54. They needed an OLB, and couldn’t move down any more.

            I like him better than Attaochu. Yeah, I guess they liked him more than Ford, for sure. I think Ford ends up being the better passrusher, but I don’t think that’s exactly what they’re looking for.

        • Birds

          I’m not a fluffer, but honestly, you could probably say “reached by at least half a round” about almost every player picked after the Birds pick in the 1st round. Bucannon, Benjamin, Easley, Ward, Roby, and Bridgewater. Besides Roby and Bridgewater I didn’t see any of those players consistently projected any higher than the middle of the 2nd round. I feel like that is true about almost every draft, as at least the last 10 picks or so of the 1st round don’t go according to projections and are generally unpredictable. That’s not to say that I like the pick, b/c I honestly don’t know enough about Smith yet to say either way. Will have to watch some of his film and see about that.

          • Richard Colton

            Very true. I’ll disagree on KB – because he’s the kind of boom/bust guy that’s all over the place. #18 wouldn’t have surprised me. Ward, Roby, Easley – all surprising.

          • Birds

            Fair enough on KB even though he “slipped” in the mock drafts recently. But you are right about him. I still think that the overall point, that relying on consensus after the first 20 picks or so doesn’t work, stands. The draft is never “predictable ” and never goes according to plan at that point (or earlier really).

          • Adam

            This draft more than most. I’d love to see how many picks the big names nailed in this 1st round. My guess is not very many.

          • JofreyRice

            Bridgewater was a possible top 5 pick at one point. Benjamin’s name cooled lately, but he had been projected to go anywhere from the mid first to the end of it. Roby had the OVI thing…

            Honestly, had you seen Marcus Smith’s name in the first round anywhere? Anywhere?

            And bear in mind, these “media” guys aren’t just “media”. They’re former scouts, GMs, and have active connections in league circles. This was a reach man. Maybe necessary, given how much they need passrush, but let’s not put lipstick on a pig.

          • Andy124

            1 place. Lawlor mentioned him as a target if we trade back in the first.

          • jesse

            I knew he was our OLB did figure second but don’t see him there at 54 all the olbs were gone and he fits while I figured Wr 1st and Smith second looks like we will still have some good choices at WR tomorrow hopefully Cody I’d take that 1st and 2nd combo all day if went the reverse would you be ok with it? Plus we picked up a valuable pick

          • Andy124

            darn straight i’d take that. I love the pick. I wanted OLB in 1 and WR in 2 all along.

            I didn’t know that much about Marcus other than a few of the guys here really liked him.

            When you look at this kid’s qualities, and you listen to what Chip always talks about, it’s hard for me to imagine that he wasn’t a BPA pick in addition to being a perfect need fit.

          • jesse

            Who do you like at WR tomorrow think we try to move up to get Lattimer? Maybe we can get a pick in the 5th For BG and package that with 54 move up to early 40 trade 54 BG with Detroit for there 2nd Graham would fit the scheme perfect

          • Andy124

            I have a well known personal bias in favor of Allen Robinson, and my guess is that he’s there at 54. So that’s my first choice.

            I don’t want to move up for any of the guys. I figurehope one of A-Rob, Matthews or Latimer should be there since Lee fell and will push them down a bit. Even Bryant and Moncrief would be in play.

          • Birds

            When did I put lipstick on a pig? I said I have no idea about Smith b/c I haven’t watched him. What I said was that relying on these supposed experts after pick 20 isn’t smart b/c drafts are unpredictable after that point. Do you disagree?

            I’m not thrilled w/ the pick. But would you feel like they didn’t reach if they drafted one of the players picked after their pick in the 1st round? Because honestly even though I like a couple of those players, based on what the experts predicted I would still feel like they reached, and that’s my point.

          • Andy124

            what’s wrong with putting lipstick on a pig? They like to look pretty too.

          • All Things Bad@ss

            Howie has killed in the last 2 drafts, and I have faith in Kelly as well. If they loved this guy but knew they would have to trade up from 54 to get him, thus giving up the extra pick, but could have any of the remaining WRs who they likely have similar grades on and give up nothing, I think it makes perfect sense that they took him where they did. Now the only question is … were they right about Marcus Smith as a player? Earlier today I heard Jared Allen was mocked as a late 6th/early 7th but was selected in the 4th … probably considered a “reach.” In retrospect, if he was selected at 26th overall it would’ve been the steal of the draft. I know that’s likely an anomaly, but point is, only time will tell …

      • jesse

        No way ahead of Barr but they were out of reach. Would have liked to been able to go back a little further to get him but unlike some other posts I realize trade backs aren’t there just cause I want them to be or for that matter be could have been picked her or anywhere in between anyway. So we got a position we needed covered when the we’re few left and few to begin with and who else was there to take that wouldnt be a reach Lee? Attaboy? Cody Lattimore? KVN? SO looks like a fine pick to me and we picked up a third and now we can get rid of BG maybe a fifth of 6 get a big receiver tomorrow then some depth DB and line over the weekend and DAT in 6 and is a good draft

        • cliff henny

          yup, my count was 1 off. too. much. scotch.

    • Richard Colton

      quite a shirt. casual howie…casually overdrafting

    • Mr.Budz

      What a picture. I have no idea how to read that facial expression. Where did you find this?

  • Aussie Eagle

    Everyone saying we could have gotten him @ 54… What if one of the other 31 teams had him as high on their boards as us?

  • JAMIN67

    There’s no way this kid was gonna last until #54. My guess is we tried to trade back another 5-10 spots max…couldn’t….and figured it wasn’t worth losing him. Tape on him looks good…was hoping we’d get him in the 2nd. All we need is a good WR in Rd 2, and all is well.

    • Hanibal Luis

      Boom. That’s the best way to look at it. Honestly, I’m thrilled with the extra third. Go get to good picks or if need be, use the fourth to trade up in the second round tomorrow. Some good value picks falling now.

      • JAMIN67

        Absolutely. Still have Lee, Robinson, Matthews, Latimore, Moncrief, Bryant and Landry at WR. Wouldn’t be shocked if we made a play for Latimore or Matthews now.

        • cliff henny

          lat or a-rob will be there at 54 i bet. looks like the kipers of the world were totally overrating wrs 1st rd volume.

          • JAMIN67

            Absolutely, there’s a great chance a few WR fall. I’d be ecstatic if we got Latimore at 54. I think it’s unlikely though…think he’ll go early in the 2nd.

          • cliff henny

            so many left, 1 will fall.

          • JAMIN67

            As long as it’s a good one, amen, brother.

          • Phil Gunther

            you are talking about Cody Latimer from Indiana, right? I agree I’d love to see him but I’m fairly sure we’d have to trade up.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            Doubt A Rob last that long. I really want to go after KVN now to play the middle with Kendricks. Speed kills. I’m so pleases with this pick.

          • Bevis

            Amen

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            I think the fact that everyone knew WR depth was strong coming into the draft forced them to pick up DB’s early to combat the weapons they were sure to see. (Heavy defensive 1st round)

    • ohitsdom

      This is EXTREMELY likely in my mind.

    • cliff henny

      didnt see the run either like mock guys predicted. sort of like howie said. latimore ansrobinso arevery much still in play for 54, who knows, maybe Lee

      • IAteLunchToday

        That’s kind of funny. I bet few would complain with Lee/Smith. But Smith/Lee…

        • jesse

          Yup and the are three of more WR I feel we would be happy with still available tomorrow but I don’t see many OLB’s left that aren’t projects.

          • jesse

            Plus we picked up a extra third so if need be we could package 54 and fourth to move up and get our WR

    • Anebriated

      And it gives us the ever so important fifth year option on a OLB who has emulated his game after aldon smith(hopefully just on field). Kid was second in the nation in sacks last year. at the end of the day we want an athletic kid who can get after the QB and thats exactly what we got. Also Wasnt Tom Gamble in the 49ers front office when Aldon was drafted?

    • Cheesesteak

      Go get Cody Latimore!!

  • Will

    BPA??? this is why…never mind….

  • Will

    jimmie ward gone now craig loston next best Safety….

    • JAMIN67

      Everyone needs to get off the Safety fixation. This was not a deep draft for safeties. We got ours in FA, and obviously they think Wolff or Allen can fill the 2nd spot this year. With Cole getting up in age, I’d rather see an OLB selected, which they got

    • Jeff Asay

      Man, forget about safety. They may not even draft secondary at all. WR two x’s, OL, DL and another LB or a returner.

      Now who’s the best kicker Eagles can sign to take Henry’s job

      • Will

        Boswell…gets my vote for kicker 5th rd pick…

        • willissez

          you want to spend our 5th on a kicker, and expect us to respect your opinion on our new “DE”?

          • Will

            Henry lost the the game against the saints and beyond 40 yards henry is shaky…Marcus Smith is a reach for one, a 4-3 DE for two….there’s a reason we haven’t seen a Super Bowl….I told you the pick for BPA should of been Deone or Bejamin the next two picks after the Eagles…yet the Eagles are smarter than everyone else…

          • willissez

            so your counter argument is that you are smarter than the eagles? damn, I’ll call your agent and get you a meeting with howie.

        • JAMIN67

          We will NOT be drafting a kicker this year. Bank on that.

        • Jeff Asay

          Hope not a draft pick but UDFA

        • paul from nc

          No way we should waste a pick on a kicker. I agree we should look for one, but there will be plenty to chose from as udfa and cuts.

      • JAMIN67

        Dare I say…Kickaliscious??? (someone had to go there)

  • Jeff Asay

    Can someone put out a spider chart vs LB’s?

    • Will

      What’s with the Eagles obsession with converting DE into OLB’s….???

      • Jeff Asay

        At least he’s projected as an OLB. Not like Graham or Curry or Cole

        • Will

          Spider chart has him as DE for a reason…

          • JAMIN67

            Watch the game film. Most of what I have seen, he was a stand-up rusher, and not bad dropping into coverage. He has the skills.

          • Jeff Asay

            No doubt, yet Sheil and Tim rated him as an OLB. Guess that makes him a tweener

      • glngarryglnross

        Its a college vs Pro thing. Most are 4-3 ends that are smaller and quicker

      • Wilbert M.

        He’s less of a conversion than any of the previous projects. He’s played like a 3-4 OLB at Louisville. He’s maybe the safest conversion project in the draft, which is why I like the pick.

      • Brazilnut

        Most 3-4 OLBs are DEs in college, one of the steelers coaches recently talked about it. Not nearly as many 3-4 OLBs in college so you have to convert.

      • Stanimal

        I already posted this below but answered your question pretty well. The closest spider graph for OLB would be to compare with Mack’s. Same height, weight, and bench press numbers. Smith has 3/4″ longer arms and 1/4″ smaller hands. Smith is 0.01 seconds slower in the 10 yard dash and 0.03 seconds slower in the 40. But Smith didn’t do as well in the agility drills. mockdraftable.com/player/4537/

  • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

    I love defense. I approve this pick.

  • Kenneth Wayne

    Out of curiosity, did any mock draft correctly predict this pick? Somehow, I doubt it.

    • Wilbert M.

      I had the Eagles picking him (in the 3rd round).

    • Richard Colton

      Sheil mocked him to the Eagles at #54

  • baxter322

    They couldn’t trade down and didn’t think he’d be there at 54. The depth at other positions is much better so they needed to get their pass rusher and this is the one they wanted. It’s fine. If they didn’t have 3 day two picks I’d be a lot more upset. The 1st round drop-off already came, as you can see in the next few picks. Who would you prefer? Sua-Filo? Roby? Lee? They can address those spots tomorrow, but couldn’t get a pass rusher without trading up and they need those picks. You’ll feel a lot better after tomorrow’s picks.

  • Wilbert M.

    It looks like a reach, but Smith is one of the only guys that you can safely project as a 3-4 OLB. He did it all very well in college. He wouldn’t have been there in the 3rd round and probably wouldn’t have been there for the Eagles in the 2nd round. My hunch is Howie was desperately trying to trade down again but it didn’t come together, so they took the guy they really wanted. Make no mistake, this guy was highly thought of, and wouldn’t have lasted much longer.

  • Joe

    How the hell did Marqise Lee not get selected

    • Will

      injuries than lack of production in 2013 compared to 2012…

      • Wilbert M.

        and dropped balls.

        • JAMIN67

          This.

        • glngarryglnross

          Congrats to him. Seems a little late in life but as long as they dropped its all good.

  • Will

    Well we got Smith will have to see how it works out….

  • Reasonableeaglefan

    Initial thought is it feels like a reach. They traded back, got a 3rd, and picked a guy who wouldn’t last until 54 at a position of need. Seems like plenty of WRs left, definitely more WRs left than OLBs so I’m actually good with this

  • paul from nc

    From the Spider chart, he’s short, light, and weak. Excels in 10 and 40 yd dash and jumping. Sounds like more of a cover guy than a rusher. BUt he had 14 1/2 sacks last year. We’ll have to wait and see and hope Chip sees a diamond in the rough.

    • tbwhite

      the spider chart is comparing him to other DE, not OLB

    • Stanimal

      The closest spider graph for OLB would be to compare with Mack’s. Same height, weight. Smith has 3/4″ longer arms and 1/4″ smaller hands. Smith is 0.01 seconds slower in the 10 yard dash and 0.03 seconds slower in the 40. But Smith didn’t do as well in the agility drills.

  • paul from nc

    I guess the BPA talk was just a ruse.

    • JofreyRice

      yeah man, it’s always a ruse. Look at what Ozzie Newsome does, that’s a GM. Loses Dannell Ellerbee, Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, adds Arthur Brown, CJ Mosely, and Matt Elam. Refresh the talent at important spots. You don’t want your GM with his head in the clouds, picking players he falls in love with sitting in his office. He’s gotta know what positions the coaches need players at to make their schemes work.

      A 3-4 D needs passrush. Smith isn’t a pure passrusher, like Barr or Ford, but I’m betting they think his multiple skillset helps them cause confusion with protections, since he gives you the flexibility to send either him or Barwin on any given down, and not have the other one suck in coverage.

    • knighn

      on whose board?
      Kiper’s?
      Yours?
      Or Chip’s?

  • JofreyRice

    I would have taken Marquise Lee.

    • Token

      Yes. However he is still there. I’d make sure to get up there tomorrow for Lee or Robinson

  • B-West

    I don’t like picking guys from cheese-D conferences. 14.5 sacks in the AAC is like 4 in the SEC.

    • IAteLunchToday

      So Michael Sam would have had 33 sacks playing in the ACC!? Damn, clearly the Eagles are basing their draft off of college production and awesome comparable evaluations between conferences. The Velcro must have fallen off of his name. I’m sure they’ll find it tonight and trade up for him tomorrow.

    • livingonapear

      Scott?

  • glngarryglnross

    Just remember. Everyone said we had a good selection when we took the “mauler” Canadian Fireman

    • Wilbert M.

      I don’t remember anyone saying that…….

      • glngarryglnross

        U Kidding? Everyone said we took the best G in the draft. A real mauler

      • JAMIN67

        Actually, a lot of people had Watkins ranked highly. Shows what the experts know.

      • BrettConnolly

        To be fair, Peter King called him the only sure-fire pro-bowler taken in Round 1 that year.

      • Jeff Asay

        Yeah, honestly go back and read the stuff on Watkins on draft day. Experts loved the pick. For whatever reason he didn’t fit.

  • glngarryglnross

    The way they ran on D players he might not have lasted to 32

  • Will

    Attaboy would be a better pick later on…the run on Safeties was on….Wolff and Allen Geez not again….

    • cliff henny

      u and safeties Will, jeeze.all starts with guy beating up qb

      • Will

        No it takes all 11 player’s working together…not 9 player’s and two bums back there…you need a Safety, an OLB and a WR….doesn’t matter the Eagles passed on Deone Buccanon and Kevin Bejamin so we will see how they fare in the NFL….

        • Andy124

          Whether you do or not, they like Jenkins, and I like Wolff’s potential. Safety just doesn’t look like a big need right now.

    • livingonapear

      I assume you mean Attaochu by Attaboy. Why is he a better pick? Because you’ve heard of him?

      Here’s tape of both Attaochu and Smith against a common opponent (since you keep talking about the lack of talent faced)

      http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-smith-vs-miami-2013/
      http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jeremiah-attaochu-vs-miami-2013/

      Note that Smith plays mainly as a stand up OLB in 3-4.

      Both have sweet moments as pass rushers, though Attaochu is frequently blocked even when he is against a TE. Call that a push because Smith’s best moments come when he gets free and unblocked. Both show pass rushing chops, though Smith is moved around like a chess piece, displaying greater versatility.

      But on run defense and pass coverage, it isn’t even close. Attaochu is a borderline liability in the run, ending up in the dirt a couple of times, and getting planted by a Miami TE (#46) on a few occasions. Smith handles #46 just fine, including in coverage. It’s not even close who the more complete player is.

  • jpate

    I’m tired of this versatile crap. We need a stud at something. But it’s the 26th pick so I won’t complain much but in the future I hope everything is not about versatility

  • PhillyG

    Excellent pick, although a bit of a surprise. Thus site had article about him being poor man Dion Jordan back in April I think. Has experience doing all things Chip wants. I like it.

  • Glenn

    I appreciate all of the Marcus Smith fans out there. The kid may end up being really good. But I don’t see anyone projecting this guy in the first two rounds. Even our good friends Sheil and Tim didn’t have this guy on the radar so soon. Kiper and McShay doesn’t have him in the top 100. Mayock does have this guy ranked as the 53rd prospect, the highest I have seen. Sounds like we could have waited to pick this guy until their second round pick, maybe moving up a few slots. And picked Marqise Lee with the first pick. Whether you love him or not, he is a reach.

    • glngarryglnross

      We need a OLB and he would be gone by our 2nd pick. I dont see that as a reach.

      • Will

        This is a reach pure and simple….2nd or 3rd round pick…

        • phillyphanlvnv

          Cry away fans. The Eagles picked him, now just love it, or leave.

          • Richard Colton

            we’ll see. don’t pretend it’s not a reach. if he plays well out of the gate, everyone forgets that Howie took him 20 picks too high.

          • glngarryglnross

            only problem is that we dont pick until 32 picks later

      • Glenn

        I truly believe he would have been there at 53. But, you could have moved up in the mid 40′s tomorrow and he would have easily been there. And you could have picked another player with the first round. Is this guy any better than Vinny Curry or Graham? Its a reach. Good organizations do not reach like this. Even if this guy is a very good player.

        • GMaddox

          Or Bryan Smith, or Daniel Teo Nesheim? This is the problem you have when your GM develops man crushes that drive his drafting decisions. Did we really get someone who will produce? Time will tell but for now this looks like another arrogant move by the gang who think they know it all despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

          • glngarryglnross

            Wouldnt this be a “new” arrogant gang. Since all your old “arrogant” guys are gone? Is it in the water there? Does the arrogance transfer with the job title?

          • GMaddox

            Did we get a new GM? I must have missed that. Maybe this pick gives some insights into how prior draft days went down. I think Jeffie should post his notes about all of the drafts so we can see what he saw. Because this looks a lot like the picks that so many have complained about.

          • glngarryglnross

            U complaining about Roseman’s Drafts? I dont see your argument

          • JofreyRice

            haha, I’ve often wondered that about Lurie. “Like dissolves like”.

        • glngarryglnross

          He might have been. But if someone takes him at 42 and we couldnt go up to get him then we dont fill the OLB need. who were u suggesting at 27 instead ?

          • Glenn

            I would have picked Marquise Lee. I think he would have been dynamite in this offense. I don’t like reaching for needs, it makes me feel needy. Van Noy, Atta Boy, or this guy would have been there for us in the second round.

          • Glenn

            I would have picked Lee at 27. Picked best available OLB at 54. Van Noy, Atta Boy, or Marcus Smith would have been there.

          • glngarryglnross

            Im saying the dropoff at OLB is greater than the dropoff at WR.

          • Glenn

            After a good night’s sleep, and getting over the disappointment of the Saints picking Cooks at the last minute, I agree with you.

    • phillyphanlvnv

      Uhhh Lee is still available, and Smith is an Eagle. Deal with it. Just because no one say this pick coming, doesn’t mean the kid isn’t deserving of the selection.

    • Kev_H

      Those guys write and blab for our entertainment. They never know what is going on. Mayock seriously thought they were drafting Manziel because we’ve all read that Kelly values running QBs. All of them were shocked when they cut Jackson. No one gave useful free agent insight. This I know, Kelly knows what he wants and he works like crazy to make sure he gets what he wants.

  • RIP illa

    I’m not going to be too down on the pick nor the player. However, he didn’t do all that much in college, where even average edge rushers can look amazing. And the times he did flash and put up production, mostly came against bad tackles.

    However, upside…He has lined up and rushed from all over the D (versatility), He has a very long wing span, not unfamiliar in coverage…not great either, and he has some speed (better than his combine numbers show, but man that 3 cone is scary bad!) Hopefully Billy and Azz can make this kid into a long term terror off the edge for us.

    • glngarryglnross

      Where do u think most production comes from? Getting double teamed by an All American? Come one dude

    • Alistair Middlemiss

      He ran a a 7.08 3 cone at his pro day. Must have had a poor run at the combine in that test because it is an outlier compared to all his other measurables

  • PhillyG

    Didn’t I read he was second in the nation with 14.5 sacks. That’s showing something.

    • B-West

      Not in the AAC.

      • glngarryglnross

        Bwest saying his production was against inferior competition. Wow the irony of that poster. Like complaining that BWest tore it up at Villanova

        • B-West

          Making people miss is a different skill than the brute strength needed in the trenches.

          • glngarryglnross

            He’s not gonna be your brute strength guy. But he will get to the edge and sidelines faster

          • phillyphanlvnv

            Because DWare wasn’t a star at Troy U right? People need to get over themselves. Seriously.

          • B-West

            Look man, I’m gonna root for him, too. Obviously. But he was a reach and he played subpar competition in college. You can point to the one or two guys that worked out. I don’t feel like doing the homework to show the hundreds that busted out. How many AAC tackles went in the first round?

          • Mr.Budz

            I think you are forgetting the technique that these players have to master in the trenches. Do you not realize all lineman possess brute strength? Why do you think they are lineman? Football is a craft that has to be mastered at every position differently. Let’s not forget our front office assembled a top tier coaching staff from head to bottom. With a handful of smart decisions in the first off season we went from being a joke to a contender. It is time to rise from your armchair general manager seat and start being appreciative of what is growing in front of us.

        • B-West

          That’s a good shot tho. Haha. I was a little thrown when they took a RB from Villanova back then, too. It would be awesome if I was that wrong again. “M-Smith” taken yet? I don’t like being negative about new Eagles.

      • phillyphanlvnv

        DWare was a beast on Troy. What conference is that?

        • RIP illa

          So he’s the next D Ware? Great news for us.

        • B-West

          D-Ware wasn’t a blatant reach either. It was clear he had the tools.

      • PhillyG

        It’s in the article we are all commenting on. 14.5 sacks second in nation. Isn’t that the very thing everyone has been saying our big need. I like it.

      • Andy124

        Yeah, Mack shouldn’t have been drafted either.

      • jesse

        So I guess picking K Mack at five was a sous over reach cause he did that at Buffalo

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    GRRRREAT PICK! I listened to the draft on the radio and wanted to scream at all the IDIOTS who were upset because the Birds took a kid they never heard of. Funny thing is that 99.7% of em never watched the kid play a single snap. This was a perfect pick. Smith can get his legs under him while Trent winds down and take over fulltime in 2015. Dude can get after the QB and has more range coverage than Trent. Not to mention we got anotgef 3rd in the process! Oh HELL YEAH! Bring on round 2. Gamble was on hand when SanFran built that wrecking crew of a defense. We just added another piece to ours. Defense wins championships. Ask Peyton. Good job boys. Now go get A Rob

  • Will

    small school now he has to play against top notch talent…

    • glngarryglnross

      that used to mean something 20 yrs ago. Tons of guys come from lower level D 1 schools and get it done now

      • Will

        Bottom line not the BPA….second round pick would of been there at 54th…

        • phillyphanlvnv

          Because Lee must have been right. So much so NO ONE else used a 1st round pick on him. Hmmmm….

          • Will

            No thought they should pick Deone or Kevin Benjamin…not high on Lee since his injuries…

          • phillyphanlvnv

            They scouted both. Came away selecting Smith. What’s wrong with you experts? Why don’t you have a job working in an NFL front office? Jesus, I don’t think Chip Kelly is God, but he knows what he wants and he is getting what he wants. Didn’t want Byrd, didn’t want Benjamin. Point blank period.

          • glngarryglnross

            Benjamin isnt a need OLB was. I think the drop off of OLB from 27 to 50 something is greater than the WR drop off

          • Andy124

            Benjamin? Over Smith? No.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Not a chance!

  • Adam

    Yo McManus, that spider chart is comparing to 4-3 DE’s no? Wouldn’t it look different comparing to OLB’s.

    • JofreyRice

      I don’t think he controls that.

      • Adam

        No, it comes from the website, but that doesn’t mean the chart would not look different.

        • JofreyRice

          You think it would look a lot worse next to LBs? the speed & agility #’s might be down a little, but I think his size would actually improve a bit. Probably look kind of like a middle of the road guy, not excelling at any one thing, I’d imagine.

          • Adam

            I have no idea, I was just pointing it out to Tim. As the graph is presented right now it’s not an accurate tool for comparison.

          • Andy124

            Same point was made when it was originally posted. I believe the word used was, impotent.

  • Brandon Boykin, LOL

    I’m ecstatic about Marcus Smith.

  • Javi Echie

    This is all leading to the eagles trading up in the second possibly trading there second and there fourth to grab Latimer and then we still have two thirds where we can grab a corner (hopefully Pierre Desir) and an olineman. I.personally love the pick and like the options with the extra pick to make moves

  • Brandon Boykin, LOL

    Name changing soon

  • Wareagle

    So the giants picked a receiver hoping that a run on receivers would push offensive lineman into the second round. That didn’t happen and now the giants can’t adequately fill their greatest need. The Eagles, knowing that the run on receivers will be in the second round, got the last competent olb in the draft and will still get a superior wide receiver in round 2 because there are just way too many of them. Advantage Eagles.

    • phillyphanlvnv

      I think this best describes what just happened. Get best pass rusher, and solidify the future. Very forward thinking when it came to the pick. Giants will regret not grabbing an OL, Cowboys will regret not drafting Manziel, and Redskins are stuck with RG3 watching the Rams blow their picks 2 years strait. The Eagles are in prime position to run wild in the NFC East for years to come, and I think they grab OG next round to eventually take over for TH and EM.

    • JofreyRice

      ugh, don’t remind me. I think the Giants got a player.

      • Adam

        For the most part, outside of a few years, the Giants have always had a good stable of receivers IMO. The big question is the guy throwing to him. While I don’t think his stat line will look as bad next year, it’s still a massive question mark for that team.

      • Wareagle

        Doesn’t matter if he is a player. You can’t catch a ball that isn’t thrown and the chances of that happening dip when your qb, who is in a boot because of the terrible o-line play last year, is protected by an equally bad o-line now

    • Matt Broad

      A little conspiracy theory-ish but I love it!

  • Foles2Sproles

    Was this a reach? Was it good to jump on him fearing he wouldn’t be there in the second? I don’t know. It all depends on what they do with the rest of the draft. Let hope they get some good value out of their next 6 picks. I’ll reserve my judgement until i see the end result.

  • paul from nc

    Would have really liked HaHA.
    But looking at this realistically, You’d have to say the Eagles must have liked Smith better than Lee. ( Who a lot of fans would have taken at 22) So, from than view, we picked up a 3rd rounder for nothing.

  • oreofestar

    If he Eagles can knock these next 6 picks out of the park the draft is a huge success

  • Adam

    Cupboard was completely bare at OLB. Not so much at WR. Maybe we picked him a little higher than some might think, but if you take into account need and BPA, it fits. Let’s hope he can produce.

    • oreofestar

      I wanted Robinson but Smith was good look at it this way Attaochu, Smith, Van Noy wouldbe gone so we would take Lets say Lee and then reach for Murphy when we can get Latimer at 54 I will take Smith/Latimer over Lee/Murphy 100/100 times

      • Richard Colton

        if it happens that way – yeah. lets put it this way: I wanted Smith. We got him, just a round too early. We now have three picks tomorrow. I need Howie to Ertz/Logan the hell out of all three.

        • Adam

          Eh.. When you’re picking this late in the first round, it’s not as easy to say we picked him a round too early. If he was the 2nd or 3rd guy taken in the 2nd round would be still be a reach? He would absolutely not make it to the same spot in the 2nd round.

          • Richard Colton

            I thought he would be there at #54. Obviously, the Eagles didn’t. I’m OK with it because I like the player. Still think it was a reach.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I saw him going no later than top 5 in 2nd.

        • oreofestar

          Smith would have been gone by 40 no doubt in my mind it was a slight reach but if thy love him I love him

        • JofreyRice

          wow, just checked CBS sports grade on him: #61 overall. Josh Norris over at Rotoworld had him as his #33 overall player, which is a lot better. Like I said, I think Cosell has said he was a second round talent, so that’s better than CBS rating him as a fringe 3rd rounder, as well.

          Let’s hope this is not another Te’o Nesheim type pick.

          • Jake and Elmo

            CBS gave the Eagles high grades for their 2011 draft. Don’t read too much into CBS player ratings.

          • Richard Colton

            Nobody knew Te’o – at least this guy was on our radar. I’m not knocking the pick. He just went 20 picks too early. If he’s a playmaker down the road, we won’t care.

  • Max Lightfoot

    A canny tradeback and a third-rounder to boot! Go Chip, Howie and Tom!

  • jesse

    Wow I really felt we would get him but figured the second round thought for sure. Thought we would go marquis in the first

  • Max Lightfoot

    FWIW, I was extremely disappointed in the Cowboys pick – they actually selected a tackle/guard that should improve their line. An intelligent pick – what the hell got into Jerrah?

    • knighn

      But keep in mind the QB they are trying to protect. Even when they’re doing the right thing they’re still doing it for the wrong reason.

      • Max Lightfoot

        True – they’re hanging onto an old tall guy with a bum back – doing the same thing year after year and expecting different results. So maybe Jerry is still insane – good call, knighn!

        • knighn

          Used to joke about them being the Brokeback Cowboys… now it’s just closer to true.

          • Max Lightfoot

            I live in NW New Mexico, surrounded by Cowgirl fans. I don’t think I could drive a mile with a Brokeback Cowboys bumper sticker and not get shot at!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Hahaha, I said the same to that too… lol. They took Martin and I said to myself, JJ got his boy toy a present. Should’ve broken up with him though for the new guy.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s funny because that was my thought exactly when they made the pick.

  • NickS1

    I’m not mad at all. Didn’t see it coming, but Howie called the receivers getting pushed down and for the most part he was right. Robinson, Lattimer, Lee, and Matthews all still available. Got the OLB they wouldn’t be able to get in the 1st with the ability to get a receiver they more than likely think is top tier in round 2. Basically reverses what many were calling, while resulting in basically the same haul. Nice call Howie.

    • Andy124

      So excited to see what receiver we grab in the 2nd.

      • JofreyRice

        haha, I wonder who you’re hoping for….!?

        • Andy124

          You know it’s A-Rob and I’m not even going to pretend that’s fueled by anything but bias, but I’d still love Latimer or Matthews. I wouldn’t even cry about Moncrief, though that seems like a reach.

          Yeah, I went there.

  • Bird of Prey

    They get paid to make these descisions, and they could have used the extra third. I hope they can make a play for Desir if possible, but who knows what’s next? Exciting draft so far…GO EAGLES!

  • NickS1

    Wouldn’t be shocked if they have him gain 5-10lbs either.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Depends what they want from him. He dropped weight for the combine and played around 260 last year. He was lighter in his previous years though and was quicker as well. But when he played a little heavier you could see the increase in lower body strength as he pushed through/back double teams when lined up at DT. My guess is they’ll want him back up to 260.

  • borntosuffer

    Well, at the very least, we can be thankful he wasn’t described as having a high motor.

    • peteike

      Actually first thing I heard on espn was high motor guy and I had to laugh. Someone rattled a bunch of adjectives

      • borntosuffer

        Well, as long as Chip didn’t say that. But, don’t tell me ESPN said he was undersized for his position (OLB, that is)

  • 76mustang

    Tommy Lawlor had him as an Eagles target if they traded back:

    Here are some players the Eagles could target if they do move back

    1 – WR Cody Latimer – Indiana…he could be the target at 22. I’m sure the Eagles would love to move back a few spots and get him if that is possible.

    2 – CB Bradley Roby – Ohio State…I thought he was a Top 10 player coming into the year. Playmaker who can cover, hit and tackle. Outstanding on STs. Had a recent arrest that will bother some teams.

    3 – LB Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech…Another player I struggle with in terms of value. I like him quite a bit, but I don’t have a good feel for what NFL teams think. I’d love to see the Eagles get him.

    4 – LB Marcus Smith – Louisville…Maybe the most complete 3-4 OLB prospect in the draft. He can set the edge, rush the passer and cover. Looks natural at all 3.

    5 – WR Kelvin Benjamin – Florida State…I don’t want him, but the Eagles just might. Has great size at 6-5, 240, but is an awkward player. Some offensive guru is going to fall in love with his potential. I’m hoping it is Sean Payton and not Chip Kelly.

    • Richard Colton

      yep. just didn’t move back far enough.

      • Andy124

        Well, seeing as we got compensation equal to moving back further (got a 3rd when points dictated 4th) it balances out. :)

      • 76mustang

        Takes a partner in the range you think you need to be in to make that happen. Plus, we picked up a top 100 selection in a deep draft. I like this pick over any of the others from 22 to 32.

      • JosephR2225

        Vikings traded 40 and 108 to get to 32. The Eagles probably could have taken 40 and 108 and let the Vikings move to 26 and still gotten Smith.

        • Hanibal Luis

          At that point, they might’ve had to throw in the extra pick depending if there were other teams vying for the pick or Teddy. You can’t compare both situations/trades.

        • oreofestar

          Smith could very well have been gone at 40 and if they really wanted him why take the chance

        • jesse

          Oh cause you said so

        • guest1

          For what it’s worth on NFL draft countdown with Scott Wright he had Marcus Smith going to the redskins at 34.

  • Spfoles

    This kid is going to backup both OLB spots and could fill in for Kendricks baring injury. You could call it a reach but it allows us to fill other needs that are strong in the late 2nd to the 5th where starting 3-4 OLB will be probably all but gone. it lets us focus on WR in the second and I hope that means Lattimer makes it there. And best of all let’s hope this means the end of the Mathews brother.

  • Eagles1018

    Good pick. He will learn from Trent and Connor like they said. His film shows he can play in coverage, set the edge against the run and has instinct to strip the qb not just sack. In other not so exciting news, his twitter handle is MoneyMarcc…2 C’s once again…..

  • Eagles1018
  • Eagles1018

    @MoneyMarcc91

    • djack10

      best tweet of the night…someone suggested Marcus change his twitter name before he is on the wrong end of a “football decision”

  • oreofestar

    Jets are looking smart, tons of wideouts left while safety got depleted in round 1

    • Adam

      Love the fit for the Jets.

      • jesse

        Yeah liked me some Pryor he’s gonna kill it under Rex

    • Will

      I wonder which WR are going to be there at 54. I’m hoping we can get Dri Archer with our 5th

      • Maggie

        Isn’t Archer somewhat small? And fragile?

        • Will

          Small yes, not necessarily fragile. As a 5th rounder who can complain about a player with 4.2 speed who can play WR, RB and return man? Can you imagine him in the slot running a post on a safety? ;)

      • NCBiRDMann22

        Traded our fifth for Sporles would rather kept ours and drafted Dri who is much younger and faster

        • willissez

          We have another 5th, no 6th

  • Kelz

    Let’s face it guys, we’re like girls after a broken heart. Afterwards, they develope trust issues. Thats what the Andy Reaid regime did to us. They wanted to outsmart everyone, fell on there face, and now we only trust the so called experts. Why? Because they said so.

    In my opinion, The boys in the war room (oops) see something in this kid. All we can do now is cross our fingers and pray for the best. Round 2 will be better. I hope!

    • Maggie

      Especially since they were looking him at him for some time. Not just a frantic reach, like some are whimpering about.

    • jesse

      Didnt you just know the fat man was going Dee Ford his type of guy all day

      • Kelz

        I’m surprised he didn’t go for a 30 year old fire chief, who started playing football yesterday.
        I knew we were in trouble when Watkins was bein interviewed and they asked him about a comment Justin Tuck made right before we faced the midgets. He said he didn’t know who he was. Smh, bullet 2 da head, amigo.

        • Mr.Budz

          You forgot to mention the fire chief just recovered from an ACL tear and has a tremendous motor.

  • Maggie

    Been looking at comments here and on the open thread. Several extremely negative people should probably find their way back to philly.com, where they would be more comfortable. Certainly it’s okay to disagree with a pick but endlessly whining and using the same tired old derogatory tripe about past drafts or about the Eagles management is annoying and boring. As for the spider chart, Smith can build up his weight AND bench at the same time! The other measurables are mostly acceptable.

    • GMaddox

      You forgot to add “Serenity now.”

      • All Things Bad@ss

        I prefer, “WOOooooSAAAAaaaaah” … works better, at least for me.

      • Joe from Easton

        • Warhound

          Thanks for the laughs!

          • Joe from Easton

            We should collectively thank Larry David. I hope our FO is to picking players what they guy is to comedy.

          • Warhound

            Yes and Yes

  • Eagledelphia

    Wanted six players all gone so they trade back and take Smith it’s not the worst pick but I only see a solid player probably never gonna be a double digit sack guy

    • peteike

      They drafted him for upside and sacks are only one part in 3/4

    • Doctor Jay

      I could see him as a double digit sack guy… he’s a bigger, more athletic trent cole with more experience dropping in coverage as a college player…

  • Hanibal Luis

    I’m staying with my original plan, trust Chip and Howie for at least three years. This is year two.
    Geez, I hate to imagine this place if they had taken him at #22.

    • Kelz

      Lol, I think we would of been a little bit more optimistic, actually. Most of us, I bet, didnt know who he this guy was.

      • knighn

        I knew…. mostly because of Geagle.

      • Hanibal Luis

        Hahaha (added extra “ha” so as not to confuse).

  • greensoul

    Wonder if Johnny’s gonna break Chip’s heart again. It’s basically trading him for Marcus Smith and the 83 pick. With Manziel, Chip probably wins a national championship. Hope we don’t say the same thing about the SB.

    • Ian Farley

      i love johnny, but he will never win a super bowl. take that to the bank.

  • Hanibal Luis

    (Best Don Corleone impression): Saints, I invite you to my house, gift wrap you a playoff win and this is how you repay me? What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully?

  • Weapon Y

    I like the pick a lot. I’m impressed by Smith’s ability to set the edge, his quickness, and coverage ability. He does have a few flaws, though. He needs to avoid letting an offensive tackle take him deep into the backfield away from a play, and be more physical against o-linemen in general. Those traits are fixable, and I am optimistic. I love the fact that the Eagles got an extra third round pick out of the deal. If they can get a starting WR and two starting defensive players on Day Two, I would be ecstatic.

  • takeo

    Just saying: id have rather traded the 1st pick (+graham) to the Dolphins for Jordan, rather than selecting Smith.

    • Mr.Budz

      I am pretty sure most people in the organization would have taken that trade. From Miami’s perspective it would make no sense.

    • Javi Echie

      Cap hit would of been to much for the dolphins that’s why they didn’t trade him yet

  • Spfoles

    From First-pick.com I made a similar trade as the Eagles for the 23rd and a round3 pick23. Traded that extra 3rd for two early 4ths and a 6th. I kept reaching and it still looks like a pretty good realistic possibility for the Eagles to fill many needs with what would eventually turn out at least 3 starters as Howie said he expects to do.

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 23 (K.C.): Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville (C)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska (A)
    Round 4 Pick 2 (WASH): Craig Loston, SS, LSU (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 10 (STL): Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (C-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon (D+)
    Round 6 Pick 2 (WASH): Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, OT, McGill (Canada) (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 22: De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (B)

  • Will

    I wonder if Graham gets traded tomorrow… looks like he’s behind another LB

  • takeo

    Wondering how much Eagles got in panic wt Cooks and Dix going at previous 2 spots…

    • Doctor Jay

      not much, I don’t think cooks was very high for the birds.. 5-9 kind of goes against chips mantra of big people, little people…

  • RLW

    I’ve always wanted this guy, and maybe it could be a bit of a reach, but we were able to get an extra third round pick that matters a lot. I feel like after the third or fourth round, talent overall kind of drops this year except for wide recievers. I think we should still get Allen Robinson, Cody Latimer, Marquise Lee or Jordan Matthews and continue to work on the defense with the next few picks.

  • Matt

    Interesting position change from QB to de/olb. I have trust in the organizations ability to draft as of late and if they say he was best player available while also getting an additional 3rd top 100 pick in a deep draft I’ll go with it. Or atleast wait till next yr or 2 to start complaining. I hope he beefs up a little bit and shows some fulfillment of his potential for year 1. For tomorrow, I am expecting a wr and if they start getting snatched up, I wouldn’t mind parting ways with a 4th to lockdown a solid wr that probably would have gone sooner in the first in the last couple years

  • EaglefaninAZ

    I’m just thrilled the draft has begun so I don’t have to see yet another mock draft. Well, not for a couple months anyways.

    • Will

      In few days there will be a projected 2015 big board

      • EaglefaninAZ

        Exactly.

    • Andy124

      There’s one up in the wake-up thread this morning. They’re just making sure to pick Marcus in the 1st now.

  • Chip Kelly

    Note to self for next year’s first round selection- Any players who were a former quarterback will be picked by CK.

    • Doctor Jay

      he does like smart players

  • Cyrus Robinson

    I think I see what the Eagles are doing with Smith and Johnson from last year. First round players you can lock up for 5 years, and given Lurie has told Chip that he will have stability for years, Chip knows he can coach up his first rounders for years to come, so they plan on drafting the guys with the highest ceilings and then entrusting their coaching staff to unleash their potential on the league. I think from here on out, their first round picks will likely be combine warriors with high character. Coaching can help/fix the rest.

    • Cyrus Robinson

      Plus I like a guy with height and jumping ability being under Connor Barwin’s tutelage. I can see Barwin and Smith knocking down tons of passes over the next few years. Learning how to be a relentless pass rusher from Cole will help immensely. I think they hope that they’re getting a guy who can rush the passer, but if he doesn’t get there, he’ll be able to smack lots of them down.

  • PJ

    “They used their first one to address a position of need.”

    what happened to howie’s “new” philosophy of taking the best guy available? i thought only the “moron” reid drafted for need?

    howie outsmarted 31 other GMs yet again

  • Matt

    His 3 cone drill compared to other lbs made me cringe, but those things aren’t always accurate, and maybe something that can be honed with a couple more years at the position.