Wake-Up Call: Making Sense Of the Rumors

Evans and Manziel
Peter King. Sal Paolantonio. Chris Mortensen. The Eagles are interested in trading up, up, up.

Over the last few days, some of the industry’s heavyweights have reported that the Eagles are exploring the possibility of moving up to snag a premiere wide receiver. King and Mortensen suggested Odell Beckham is the target. (King has the Eagles jumping from 22 to 15 to grab the LSU wideout in his mock draft.)

Paolantonio told Mike Missanelli Tuesday that the Eagles are considering an even larger leap.




"They're not necessarily going after Brandin Cooks or [Beckham], they are trying to go up higher than that," said Paolantonio. "So how much are they willing to give up to go up there and who is a possible dance partner? What I'm hearing is that basically they would have to break the bank in order to get up as high as they want to get to Mike Evans. I don't think Evans...is getting past Tampa Bay at 7, and I don't think Sammy Watkins in getting past Cleveland at 4 and I certainly don't think he's getting past Oakland at 5.

"You'll have to give up next year's number one to do that in addition to other picks. I think it's 22 this year, a number one next year and maybe a third round this year and a third round next year to go all the way up there."

When you have three of the big dogs barking, it would be ill-advised to assume they are just barking at the wind. I don't doubt that Howie Roseman has talked trade scenarios with a number of teams. In fact, he told reporters last Thursday that he will speak with all 31 other squads before the draft about potential deals.

When you are talking to so many GMs, it's impossible to hide it. Word will get out that you are exploring trade options. The target, though, can be concealed. The Eagles aren't in the habit of revealing their desired draft prospects, even to our industry's most plugged-in personas. I just can't see any of the team's key decision-makers spilling the beans. In sum, the Eagles seem open to moving up, but it's less certain who they covet specifically.

The idea that the Eagles are willing to mortgage both the 2014 and '15 drafts for a single receiver in a receiver-rich draft doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I keep going back to Riley Cooper, who ended up with 835 yards and eight touchdowns in the first year under Kelly. He had 46 catches for 617 yards and five touchdowns combined in the three seasons prior. Does Kelly really feel it necessary to sacrifice so many valuable draft picks for one wide receiver, particularly when so many good ones are expected to be available throughout the draft? Not so sure. My takeaway is that the Eagles are looking at their options when it comes to moving up, but it won't necessarily be in the name of a wideout.

Could it be for a quarterback? ESPN's Field Yates threw some fuel on the Johnny Manziel fire.

King referenced a similar "buzz" about a potential union a couple weeks back. I am skeptical. The Eagles will have an interesting choice on their hands if Manziel falls to 22, but I don't know that they will aggressively pursue him otherwise.

WHAT YOU MISSED

In the latest Draft Daily, Sheil looks at some potential safety targets for the Eagles.

Will they select a quarterback in this draft?

One respected analyst has safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix falling to 22.

"If you have four good drafts in a row..." Roseman on building a contender. 

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

If it feels like the Eagles are always going lineman in the first round, well, they pretty much are, writes Reuben Frank.

In fact, going back to 1991, an incredible 17 of their 21 first-round picks have been offensive or defensive linemen.The exceptions: Donovan McNabb in 1999, Freddie Mitchell in 2001, Lito Sheppard in 2002 and Jeremy Maclin in 2009.That’s four non-linemen in the first round since Buddy Ryan was fired...

Since 1991 -- nearly a quarter of a century -- the Eagles have drafted more linemen in the first round than any other NFL team.They’ve taken 17, ahead of the Rams (14), Seahawks (13) and Vikings and 49ers (12).

Evans and Kelvin Benjamin have both been linked to the Eagles. Greg Cosell recently wrote about both of them for Yahoo!.

It's highly likely Evans will be drafted before Benjamin, the conventional wisdom being, how many teams will take a chance on a "slow" (4.61 40-yard dash at the combine) receiver with "suspect" hands? I guess few remember that Boldin ran a 4.7 at his combine; he'd likely run about 4.9 now, but all Boldin has done is average almost 80 catches and more than 1,000 yards in his 11-year NFL career, including 1,179 yards last season, at age 33. Isn't that the point? For big, physical wide receivers with the ability to use their bodies effectively and snatch the ball outside their frame, straight-line speed is not the consequential attribute it is often made out to be

COMING UP

Sheil and I will discuss the possibility of a first-round trade for the Eagles.

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  • jmkrav

    If they are going to use two firsts plus two more picks with good value, it’s not going to be for a WR.

    There is one prospect though who would be worth it and fits everything we have heard them say.

    “Big people beat up little people”

    “We draft based on what we project the prospect can become”

    “Versatility”

    Pass rush.

    Stop the run.

    Cover.

    Give me some Khalil Mack!!

    If Clowney, Watkins, the two top OT and some QBs go in the top 5-8, and Mack is still there. I’d give up a TON to go get him.

    Draft Jordan Matthews in round 2.

    Take “scheme fits” like Mauro or Hart in rounds 4-7. Maybe a NT like Ellis or Beau Allen can be had late as well.

    • Anonymous

      As much as I love Mack, (dream scenario for me), would we still have a third-rounder, let alone a second-rounder if we trade up that far?

    • Dominik

      It’s very doubtful that he goes after 1 and extremely expensive to get to the 1, but don’t forget Clowney. Although you’re right, Mack is a far more realistic (but still overall unrealistic) scenario.

      I for one hope that if they trade up, it’s for a special player on Defense. There are some character concerns with Clowney, which makes it even more unrealistic.

      • anon

        It’s gotta be a pass rusher bc there’s none really in the draft.

    • NickS1

      Right with you about Mack. I actually just posted it above, didn’t see this until after I posted. He’s the only player I’d want to trade that far to get.

    • jmkrav

      Your Picks:
      Round 1 Pick 6 (ATL): Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (A)
      Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana (B+)
      Round 4 Pick 24 (K.C.): Josh Mauro, DE, Stanford (A-)
      Round 5 Pick 22: Justin Ellis, DT, Louisiana Tech (A-)
      Round 6 Pick 11 (NYG): Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami (Fla.) (C+)
      Round 7 Pick 22: De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (B)
      Round 7 Pick 24 (CINN): L’Damian Washington, WR, Missouri (B-)

      • Richard Colton

        stop. on what universe is that even a possibility?

        • JReamer

          It’s from first-pick.com. It’s a simulation game.

          • Richard Colton

            I know what it is, and I stand by my previous comment. First pick stopped being interesting when they stopped updating. Not to mention all the non-sensical trades they allow.

  • NickS1

    First off, Sal Pal isn’t a big dog. He’s a pre-game reporter and all he ever does is bark into the wind. I can’t stand the guy, so yes, you could argue I’m biased.

    Only way I’m okay with trading up that high is if Khalil Mack falls.

    I hope everything around Manziel is smoke from the FO.

    As for KB: you can teach/improve hands. Can’t teach 6’5″ 240 with a knack for TDs and the big catch.

  • Anonymous

    I think they get Kyle Fuller or another CB that drops in the first. The only way they go receiver is if Fuller isn’t there. I think Lee is the next highest-rated player on their board at 22. I hope they trade for more picks, though.

  • Will

    Round 1 Pick 6 (ATL): Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M (A)
    Round 3 Pick 14 (DAL): Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Christian Kirksey, OLB, Iowa (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 24 (CINN): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (B)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 23 (CINN): Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 24 (CINN): Chris Boswell, K, Rice (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 18 (BALT): Deandre Coleman, DT, California (C)
    Round 7 Pick 22: John Urschel, OG, Penn State (B-)

  • Scott J

    These “experts” are assuming the Eagles will move up because they think they need to replace Jackson. But the reality is Jackson has been replaced with Maclin and we only need a receiver to replace Avant. A player like Lee will be more than enough. If they move up it will be for an outside pass rusher, and it will be only a few spots.

    • Jeff Asay

      Repeating myself from weeks ago, but heck! Geagle used to copy and paste all over this site. I wanted two WR’s BEFORE they cut Jackson. But I also want OLB in the first round if one falls to them. I like the sentiment that they would trade up for Mack if he falls past 4. Or Clowney for that matter.

      • cliff henny

        scary part is, not sure he did. think he just liked typing that much.

        • Jeff Asay

          That would be truly frightening. As in get some help my man. Lol

  • Dominik

    “Peter King. Sal Paolantonio. Chris Mortensen. The Eagles are interested in trading up, up, up.

    Over the last few days, some of the industry’s heavyweights have reported that the Eagles are exploring the possibility”

    Nothing against those guys, but I’m really starting to believe this if and only if Schefter is coming along.

    • Jeff Asay

      Maybe we need NJ.com, too. Ha

      • Dominik

        Do you mean, all of a sudden there are gang ties with Clowney and he slips right into #22?

    • cliff henny

      truth. it hasnt happened in theNFL til Schefter tweets it

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        yup. that’s how i found out about Marcel Dareus (bills) being arrested on a drug charge. He alone could take down ESPN.

  • Jeff Asay

    I’m on this site every single day even though I’m sick to death of all the conjecture. I think I speak for everyone when I say Thank goodness less than 48 hours until the Eagles draft!

    • Engwrite

      Amen

  • aub32

    If we were to pull off an ATL like trade (the Julio Jones deal) I am interested to know who fans would rather have, Mack or Watkins. My vote is for Watkins, as his addition is sure to help Foles’ development.

    • anon

      Clowney!!!

      • Richard Colton

        I know Foles is the guy for next year, but what if we package Brandon Graham, Vinny Curry, and pick #22 for Andrew Luck?

        • Andy124

          I’d do that so that we can then turn around and trade Luck back to the Colts for their next 10 1st round picks.

          • aub32

            I’ll trade them Foles, #22, Curry, Graham, Herremans and Casey for Luck. Throw in next year’s 1st as well.

          • Andy124

            I would not. Obviously.

          • aub32

            Would you trade Foles for Luck straight up? I am just trying to get a sense of how highly you view Foles at this point.

          • Andy124

            No. But that’s me being a homer and highly risk averse. I woiuldn’t exactly be cursing up a storm if that trade happened.

    • Andy124

      I think many would actually take Evans over Watkins. I’d still take Clowney above all others. I think he’s a game changer at OLB and I think he’ll be better in the NFL than he was in college.

      • JofreyRice

        He just has that look. There were times when he just utterly destroyed the man in front of him. Reminded me of Dutch, with the way he was so much better than the other kids.

      • fran35

        No way would I take Evans over Watkins. Watkins is a an elite WR / perennial pro bowl WR. I would give up 2 1st rounders for him.

      • aub32

        We would have to reach #1 overall for Clowney. So I did not have him as an option.

        • Andy124

          Got it.

    • JofreyRice

      I agree with you, Watkins is really awesome, I think he’d help any QB and offense. I think Mack will be a solid to good pro, don’t see the hype of putting him as possibly the first overall pick. Wasn’t always dominant even against lesser competition.

      • Token

        For a WR tho? I think it would be a pretty bad move. Not dissing Watkins, but your giving up a lot for a WR. I think Jones was better coming out, and it didnt really do much for their situation in Atlanta did it?

        If they are dead set on putting a good amount of resources into WR, I think id be more pleased with sitting at #22 and taking whoever falls (Lee, Beckham, Cooks) and then trading up to the early 2nd round for Robinson. Wouldnt cost as much and overall might help the team more.

        • JofreyRice

          A lot of really smart people think Watkins has the chance to be maybe one of the best WRs in the league. Super fast, catches everything, runs like a good running back after the catch. Screen threat, deep threat, competitor, dedicated to his craft.

          I think ODB’s a very nice player that has a floor of Golden Tate and a ceiling of Steve Smith. Watkins has been compared to AJ Green and a smaller version of Calvin. He could be a true “elite” talent. I’m not complaining if they add a guy like that.

          • Token

            Yea its hard to argue. But If we are talking 2 first rounders plus two 3rds or something, thats a lot. However, the flip side is that they generally arent great at drafting anyway and if they can get a sure fire stud then go for it.

            I cant say id be mad if it happened. Its just that it seems really steep for a WR.

            The Falcons went from 27 to 6 by giving up two 1sts, a 2nd and two 4ths.

            Im wondering if they could get away with less.

            If they could manage to give two 1sts and no 2nds or 3rds id be more comfortable with it. I feel like they will need those picks over the next two years.

            I dunno……i could keep arguing with myself over this one. Just let it be Thursday night already.

          • aub32

            Upvote for your last sentence.

          • JofreyRice

            who did the Falcons trade with, I honestly forget. Was it Cleveland? If it was, I can’t think of a damn thing they did with the picks. I mean, I’m generally skeptical, but as far as I can go, I trust Kelly’s judgement if he’s going up to get a player for his O. It would be sick to see Watkins in Green.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah – the Browns. And what have they done? Two 1st round picks have been an albatross for that franchise. They’re better off trying to unload #26 to the 49ers for multiple mid round picks.

          • Token

            If it was a sure thing they are trading up, would you rather trade to #4 and get Watkins or trade to #13 and get Barr?

            I am for making the offense awesome. Its always gonna be our strongest side of the ball with Chip here. You gotta be elite on one side or the other. However, even with Watkins are we better then the Broncos last year? Does climbing up a few spots in the overall offensive rankings equal many more wins?

            Maybe we arent really far off from being a elite offense, but until we get to be above average on D its probably not gonna matter much to the overall goal of winning a title.

          • aub32

            If we get Watkins, I would say our offense, outside of QB is better than the Broncos last year. Our O line is much better. Our RB is much better. Our TE depth is better. Watkins = D. Thomas. Mac, Cooper, and Sproles > Decker and Welker.

        • aub32

          I’d rather have a top 4 guy at WR than two decent to good starters. Also, I don’t look at it as giving all that up for a WR. I look at it as giving all that up to make this offense the equivalent to what Seattle has on defense, depending on Foles of course.

    • Yes_General

      Mike Evans or Khalil Mack. Leaning more towards Khalil Mack because i want opposing QBs to fear this Defense but Mike Evans has the tools to be our true number1 ‘possesion’ WR something desean never could be

  • Will

    Your Team: Philadelphia Eagles

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    GAME OVER!
    Your score is: 5010 (GRADE: A-)
    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 8 (MINN): Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (A)
    Round 3 Pick 6 (JAX): Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (A)
    Round 4 Pick 17 (CHI): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 4 (JAX): Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 5 Pick 16 (CHI): Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Chris Boswell, K, Rice (B)
    Round 6 Pick 15 (CHI): Russell Bodine, OG, North Carolina (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (B-)

    If they go up for Mack…gave up 1st’s this year and next….

    • Richard Colton

      Mack? seriously…

      • Andy124

        I’m disappointed he didn’t get Mack, Barr, Evans and Clowney. Weak.

        • Richard Colton

          I might be willing to part with a conditional 6th for that haul

          • Andy124

            Those 4 for Casey, straight up.

    • Jeff Asay

      I’d try my first backflip and end up in traction if the Eagles ended up with your top three. Mack dropping to 8 is pure fiction if the experts are believed.

      • #1GeagleFan

        i agree… mack will go top 4

  • Tom W

    Our roster isn’t good enough to make this type of backbreaking trade … We would need to get 3 for Mack or Watkins and 5 for Evans. Evans isn’t worth that leap although I love him. Watkins is and clowney is Mack is a close call. I still don’t want to mortgage the future when the kid could blow his knee day one. Trade back Howie and turn over the roster w four good starters at wr, olb, ilb and depth at wr, s, g and dl. Don’t get greedy. Build w draft. We aren’t one player away. Be smart

    • Richard Colton

      all things being equal, I’d say trade down before trade up. Now, if Evans is sitting there at 11-15 range and the trade up is at below market prices? Sign me up.

      • cliff henny

        i’ll stay up till Barr and Evans are called.

    • cliff henny

      yeah, it’s a hike to get up there in single digits, but if 1st and 3rd get them to #13 range, who knows. still have 2nd, and couple picks later. cant see them hyjacking the draft for one guy, but chip and howie maybe seeing a totally different roster than we fans are seeing.

    • JofreyRice

      Depends on how it shakes out, in a year where everyone is looking to trade down, to acquire depth, it could be the perfect time to minimize compensation to move up for somebody you really love. Say Watkins really is the next AJ Green/Calvin Johnson type–that they have that kind of evaluation on him–whether or not that one guy you’ve added is “enough”, you have just added a guy you believe will be an elite player. You need a few of those elite guys to win a championship, along with the depth and lunchpail guys. They’ve been crystal clear those guys aren’t coming from free agency, so they gotta come from somewhere.

      I know people kill Washington for the RG3 trade, but what has St. Louis done with those picks that’s so impressive? Tavon Austin and Brian Quick? Brockers is OK…but I get the sense any team Jeff Fisher is coaching is going to have a well-coached and schemed defense. Aren’t they still last in their division?

      What did Denver do with the haul they got for Cutler? They were basically irrelevant until they signed one big money free agent–Peyton Manning.

      I get what you’re saying, and would love to come out of this draft with long term answers for guard, another option at safety, a couple wide receivers, etc…but if they can add one of the true top-shelf guys, like Watkins, I will be excited. Now, trading the farm for Mike Evans…uh…I don’t know about that.

      • mtn_green

        Rams have 2nd pick this year too.

        • JofreyRice

          eh, we’ll see what they do with it.

    • #1GeagleFan

      it’s always hard to argue with playing it safe in the event of an injury, but it will come down to what kind of guy chip kelly is- is he a play it safe guy or a guy that wants to go for it?… can’t argue with playing it safe, but i personally feel that they should roll them right here and go up and get mack

    • mtn_green

      This I agree with. Other than RB every position is average or could desperately use better depth.

  • cliff henny

    we all, including myself, keep going back to ‘only six picks’ and/or ‘need to trade down from #22′, but maybe the quotes from Howie, paraphrasing, ‘it’s qualty over quality’ and ‘3 starters per draft is goal” isnt all smoke. think we all agree that 3rd WR and rush/ROLB are 2 biggest needs and the we put backup G,RB, DL, MLB, ROLB, CB, TE and S in some order. the thing is, Eagles were so healthy, we dont really know what they think of backups, none played. we all saw how much the play of Allen, Wollff, Cooper, Foles, Johnson, Ertz and add the career years of Shady and Jax into mix, plus Peters and Celek looking like young pups out there, why would that improvement be limited to guys who played? Howie, in his presser was praising Long, Goode looked solid, who knows what they think of 3 or 4 O-Line guys, Sec may never be early draft solutions (plan seems to be 3rd-5th yr vet in that 25-26 yr old prime bodies), Knott, Acho, Kruger, Brown (not huge fan but point is somewhat valid that he’s pretty raw), Kaddu and K Johnson all guys we as fans have very little idea about, but couple maybe showing a lot more behind the scenes. Kelly made is fame by coaching up talent at Oregon, no reason to think he didnt do same in Philly with a handful of guys. Howie and Chip could be looking at roster and not see 8 or 10 openings, they might only see 4 or 5.

    • Richard Colton

      anything beyond the 3rd is a crap shoot for me. A good draft is when you hit on some stars where you should, and solid starters in 1-3 rounds. Anything beyond 4th is a bonus – luck comes into play there too. For me, sacrificing a 2nd or 3rd is a big deal – you better get some quality in return.

      • knighn

        Hah. This hardly worked out during the Andy Reid era. Yes, the Eagles should have gotten more starters out of rounds 1 thru 3 in the Reid era. They just didn’t.

      • cliff henny

        oh, totally agree, but who knows what Howie and Chipper are thinking/seeing in roster. here’s another whackyazz thought, since draft is so deep, and Eagles are pretty much talking backups after 3rd WR and ROLB with 1st 2 picks, what if they see very little difference between 4th and 6th rounders? if they arent playing, it’s just a matter of how raw, how much they need coached up. use 1st and 3rd to get Barr, use 2nd on Allen Robinson, then trade back in 4th and 5th to get extra guys. marinate and coach up for a year.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Is it really going to happen? If this happens tomorrow damn I won’t be too pleased no matter who we get

        • Amar

          I don’t believe its happening. Howie’s stuck his neck out for Chipper in the Desean release, he can’t be doing it twice in a calendar year. They either stick to their 6 picks or trade down to get multiple selections.

          • All In Eagles

            I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade up but only a few spots, not top 10 which would cripple them. I’m really hoping we can trade Bryce Brown and Brandon G, I hate to see wasted talent sitting 3 spots deep on the bench.

        • Max Lightfoot

          Not a big fan of mortgaging the future for the present. IMO, we are one draft away from winning in the playoffs, two drafts away from getting to the tippy top. Now I could be wrong, and this could be a magical year for the Eags, but I still think we’ll need next year’s picks.

    • Dominik

      You could be on to something here. Carmichael sucked – so they signed Carroll. I guess Chip would love to have a CB/S tweener, so he has 5 CBs and 5 Safeties (including our new ST ace Maragos) on the 53 roster, but only 9 players. We showed some interest in those tweeners, Dontae Johnson in the 4th/5th could make sense.

      Thing is, with CB and O-Line, we need developmental players, not starters in year 1. Do we already have enough O-Line guys? Barbre is a great back-up for next year, but we need replacements for Mathis and the Toddfather next year or the year after that.

      We need WRs and ROLB, I guess everyones sees that. And those players have to be able to see some non-garbage time snaps this year. Other than that you could be right, we don’t know how our young guns were last year because they didn’t have to play much.

      • cliff henny

        we really have no idea on O-Line. Besides Barbre-29, there’s D Kelly-24, Molk-25, Bamiro-23 and Tobin-23, plenty of youth that’s year into coaching. i’ll never argue against tossing another guy into this mix, but no team could withstand what happened to Eagles in ’12.

    • JofreyRice

      could be. I mean, if you’re going quantity over quality in FA–which is basically what they’ve said they’re doing–then you have to acquire top talent somewhere. If that means investing more in trying to get your top rated guys in the draft, then that’s what it is.

      • cliff henny

        yup, purely speculation, not like Howie tells us anything. SF has had 25 picks in last 2 drafts, done nothing like reid did in ’10 and ’11. if they can make a play for Barr, still pull Allen Robinson in 2nd, plus, maybe a trade or 2 for current players for late round picks and also moving back w/ 4th and 5th . get 2 top end talents, then get little more volume in back end of draft since they batting average the bejesus out of free agency for immediate depth.

        • JofreyRice

          Barr, I wouldn’t trade the farm for, because I think he’ll be a situational guy right away. Chance to be really good, but there is some projection there. I mean, from 22 up to 15, if it takes a 3rd.

          Pretty much Clowney and Watkins are the only two I’d do a huge trade to go up and get. I know Clowney’s got some questions, but his path to being a truly “great” NFL player is a little shorter than a lot of these guys; for him, it’s more about what he wants than what he’ll be able to get.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Very interesting to witness your change in thought for what I have been saying jofreyRice

          • JofreyRice

            I’ve been a fan of Watkins from the jump, but haven’t really discussed him, since he’s probably going top 5. Given the scenario I described the other day, where they don’t trade up, dropping back some makes sense, as well. I believe Tre Mason–health allowing–is the best back in this draft, and would fit the Eagles scheme really well. Bitonio is probably the best OL you don’t have to spend a top 10 pick on. So I’m still advocating they take difference makers. The difference is that it’s not just Sammy Watkins or bust for the entire draft. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

          • cliff henny

            yup, guess i’d be ok with seeing how high 1st and 3rd would get them. assume a wr dropped in 2nd rd, then 4th of back, wheel and deal for more volume and depth, get Wolff and Krugers to coach up for a year. not first choice, but need high end talent somehow, it’s not coming in FA

          • shady25

            I don’t know. I think Mike Evans is going to be a beast if he is in the right offense. I’m talking Calvin Johnson level. That guy is huge and fast. By his 3rd year, he will be one of the best WR in the league.

          • Token

            Im a Evans fan. But I dont think hes a Calvin. Calvin is not only a elite athlete but a gym rat too. He works the hell out of his craft to be the best. Evans looks like he might stop in the gym once a week. And still has work to do with route running. Many of Evans big plays were plays where he was covered but just went and got it. Will that go down in the NFL? Maybe. But I dont think Evans is as much of a sure fire stud as some.

            Tho hes still on my short list of 4-5 guys I want.

      • B-West

        I wonder how the money would work once they start to accumulate, and have to pay to keep, some top tier talent. Paying for veteran backups such as Phillips, Braman, Casey, Maragos, etc. is fine when they’re flush with money.

        Once they have to start paying out the second contracts for some of these talented guys, the cap will get tighter and they’ll need more of the depth to be on the cheaper rookie deals.

        For now though, I think it works, and I agree with your point. If the only way we’re going to get studs on the roster is through the draft, well, make sure you get one.

    • Roasty

      Most teams might not seem them as valuable as a 3rd round pick but Graham, Brown and possibly Curry could easily be thrown in as trade chips

    • Token

      I really hope thats not their actual thought process. Or we are all in for a big letdown over the next few years. This team flat out lacks talent right now. Youd really have to drink some koolaid to believe otherwise.

  • Mike J

    Cost would be too high. I hate giving up future picks…especially in the first rounders.

  • Andy124

    McMannus on trading up for Manziel:

    I am skeptical.

    I’m more than skeptical. I’m dismissive. Of course, I’m also the guy that said

    I’ll believe DJ is getting traded[cut] after it happens. 3 days after it happens, just to be safe.

    so what do I know.

  • Bullwinkle

    As Howie said, one superstar does not make a football team great. A football team needs a lot a really good players to be great. Trading away a bunch of high draft choices for a single college player (especially a wide receiver) makes no sense. Many teams with average wide receivers have won Super Bowls.

  • Joe Thomas

    If Roseman wants 4 good drafts in a row, trading a bunch of picks is not gonna make that easy.

  • Ray888

    OR……… Hello, Miami? This is what we might do if you don’t get more realistic on trade compensation for Jordan. Whatever future picks we might use to trade-up tomorrow will not be available to trade to you on June 1.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    looks like this draft in particular is destined for Prime time. can’t wait to see how all moving and shuffling come about. but tomorrow night we will hopefully know the Eagles target.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    how bout the Foles to Cle rumors for the swapping of first rounders. Chip gets Johnny. and Cleveland sets up nice at 22 and 26 to take another stud WR or the first running back on the board. I can see why Cleveland would do it. to pair a PBQB with his PBWR and PBTE. and still set themselves up nicely for more picks having 35 as well. and chip would get his guy in Johnny. they kicked the idea around a bit on WIP but i’m not certain how I feel about it. I do believe one thing in the article above. that if the eagles like someone, the media i’m sure doesn’t know exactly who. so what everyone is hearing is filler. but it sure is interesting speculation

    • cliff henny

      FOles is worth way more than 20 draft spots. if i was Howie, why not field offers, and my basement would be something like RG3’s trade.

      • willissez

        Yea maybe Foles for the 4th pick straight up…maybe

        • cliff henny

          what? i’d think about and probably turndown 4th, 26th, 36th (guessing, whatever early 2nd rd pick they have) and next yrs #1.

          • willissez

            Wow, and I thought I loved Foles. I guess I would only consider it because I’m in the minority thinking Johnny football would be awesome in this offense (and that the drama around him will fade once he starts playing games at this level).

          • cliff henny

            i like FOles, but in more wait and see mode. but if Carson Palmer is worth 2 1sts, then Foles is north of that.
            .
            yeah, i’d want a ton, 24 yr old Pro-bowl qbs dont grow on trees. not like draft picks area sure thing. out of those 4 picks, 1 would be complete bust, 2 hope for solid starter and hoping 4th or ’15’s early pick be pro-bowler.

          • willissez

            Gotcha, but in fairness, it was Oakland that thought Palmer was worth 2 first round picks.

            Gun to my head, I would turn down the 4th pick straight up, but accept your hypothetical offer and roll the dice with Johnny and all those other picks. Seems like a big balls Chip kinda decision.

          • Andy124

            Once you have a QB, you don’t let him go for anything. It’s like true love, only better.

          • Joe from Easton

            I’m with you. No, no, no, no, and NO!. It’s written in caps so you kNOw it’s true.

          • aub32

            Foles was a pro bowl alternate. Wasn’t Josh Freeman a 24 year old pro bowl alternate just 3 years ago. My point is I think you are placing way too high a value on Foles.

          • Andy124

            And I think you are placing way too low a value on FOles. But we’ve been over this. Season starts in a few months and his sample size will continue to grow.

          • aub32

            I’m not saying Foles can’t be great. His realistic value right now is not all that high. There have been many young QBs that have had a really good season only to flame out. I hope Foles isn’t that guy, but I can’t put his current value with other top 10 QBs.

          • Andy124

            Think of the package RG3 was “worth” without ever having played a game. I’d say the owner of the 3rd highest single season QB rating of all time, owner of most touchdown passes in a single game (tied), things actually done in the NFL, and the list goes on, you’re very familiar with it, would be worth more.

          • aub32

            I disagree. That’s like saying any QB who has a good season in the NFL should immediately be worth a king’s ransom. RG3 brought in a ridiculous amount because of his physical potential. What is Foles really? What would Foles be if taken away from Chip? RG3 is a physical freak wherever he goes. Many, myself included, see Foles as an above average QB playing in a very good scheme with talent around him. If Jacksonville traded for Foles, what would they get? Foles, in my opinion would certainly regress without Kelly. RG3 on the other hand is still a dynamic talent. He helps the run game simply by being a threat to run himself. He has a stronger arm. He’s exciting (which I am sorry, but I do believe that factors in to decisions like this). So that’s why I do not think Foles is near as valuable to other teams.

          • Andy124

            Good season and great season are two different things. And how often to 24 year old QBs with 1 great season get traded? Any QB that has a great year in their second NFL season is worth a king’s ransom. They are the holy grail of the NFL.

          • aub32

            I am not saying he should be traded. I am saying your asking price well exceeds his value.

          • Andy124

            Seeing as my asking price is infinity, you are right. :)

          • anon

            I don’t care about the drama, but can he play in the system? I think we need a large WR to pair with him if that’s the case.

      • Joe from Easton

        Can I just say HELL NO to this idea? Like Andy said; you do NOT get rid of a QB if you’ve got one for any amount of potential unless it’s a 36 yr. old peyton manning for a 23 yr. old andrew luck. This situation is not that situation.

      • IAteLunchToday

        They are going to ban you for impersonating :)

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Playing with fire gets you burned. That’s a very dangerous scenario that could very well make or break (maybe devastate) the careers of both Howie & Chip, while also turning the city on its edge.

      • Joe from Easton

        This city has been missing a Foles type QB since the 80’s. I’m not knocking Randall, McNabb, or Vick because they were all amazing in their own ways, but to me McNabb was the closest of the bunch to what I consider a true quarterback. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that he lasted the longest and had the best career of all of them. I don’t want to go back to the “lightning in a bottle” style of QB. I want to try our hand with a cerebral field general for the first time in my life as an Eagles’ fan. If this were to occur I would throw all of my benefit of the doubt attitude out of the window and pray for a new regime as quickly as possible.

        • aub32

          A True QB? What does that mean. McNabb may never have won us the big one, but if the greatest QB in our franchise’s history isn’t a “true QB” who the hell was?

          • Joe from Easton

            Sorry if I wasn’t clear. McNabb in my opinion was a true QB. I should have worded that differently. McNabb is my second favorite Eagle of all time after Dawk. He was great in his era and did more with less than most QB’s I’ve ever watched. The key point that I mean to iterate was that his style is the style that leads teams to SB’s, not the style that we’d get with Manziel ala Vick / Cunningham.

          • aub32

            I would argue that has more to do with coaching than the actual QB. Vick got very close to a SB doing things his way without much receiving talent. Imagine if he had a coach that held him accountable from the beginning and honed his passing attack. The same could be said with Cunningham, instead of just being sent out there to run around. Look at Steve Young. He just ran around with the Bucs but when he joined up with a HOF coach…..WOW! I think Manziel has that same potential. He could do special things in this offense. I don’t think we should get him due to Foles and what it would cost to procure him. That’s not to say he isn’t a true QB though.

          • Joe from Easton

            At this point in the discussion I believe it’s more a matter of opinion.

            My definition of a true QB is simply different than yours. Steve Young was some Super Bowls, but I’d contend he’s an anomaly. Elway was a runner, but he didn’t win the big game until he slowed down and played QB. Did Tarkenton, Vick, Cunningham, Harbaugh, or McNair ever win one? No, they were exciting and great in their respective way, but they didn’t bring home the big one.

            I’ve seen enough Eagles’ QB’s play with that style and fail to obtain what we all want and that’s a Lombardi in our damned Trophy case. Manziel may shine and make some amazing plays, but I don’t see a Super Bowl winner in him like I did when Luck or Manning when they were prospects. I want a 6’5″ QB who will stand and deliver and I want him longer than one season.

            Like I said, it’s a matter of opinion and my opinion is based on an Occam’s razor review of history. Sure you can throw out extraneous circumstances about coaching, teammates, or schemes, but in the plain and simple end; those guys haven’t won the biggest of big games. The throw it first, second, third, and fourth guy wins that game more often than not by a wide margin.

          • aub32

            So are you basing whether a QB is a true QB based solely on SB victories? Because Jim Kelly and Marino never won SBs either. Fans forget that for every Brady, there are so many more “pocket QBs” who suck to high heaven. Luck, Wilson, Rodgers, Newton, Smith, and Kaep all have the ability to run around. They all made the playoffs, and their ability to run helped with that. If we are arguing about a Tebow or Joe Webb situation, then I am right there with you. However, Manziel can sling the football. He will win games.

            As far as your view of history, I think it’s biased. I am not calling your opinion biased. I am saying the game itself is biased. Let’s face it. A black QB is more likely to be a mobile QB. For a long time, blacks were not seen as able to play the position. Even today, some people feel that way. I don’t mean to make this a race issue. I am just pointing out how it’s unfair to point out the wide margin when so many mobile black QBs weren’t allowed to show what they could do at the position. Then when QBs like Vick and Cunningham showed up, many coaches didn’t know how best to utilize their talent. Now coaches like Chip, Harbaugh, and Carrol are making the most out of QBs with the ability to run. So that’s why I don’t really agree that having a 6’5″ QB with limited mobility is still the way to go.

          • Joe from Easton

            I usually don’t get into the whole judge a QB based on SB victories deal, but that’s because I’m usually defending McNabb’s fringe HOF credentials with idiots who think no SB = bad QB. In this instance though, as a Super Bowl starved Eagles fan and not an objective football analyst; you’re darn right I want the guy that has won Lombardi’s in the past. It’s a biased stance, but I don’t really care because I want a damn ring in philly.

            We’re both entitled to our apparently entrenched opinions. So I’ll agree to disagree while considering your argument well thought out and unbiased. There is no right or wrong in this sort of conjecture, I just know what I want my QB to be as an Eagles fan and it ain’t Johnny Football. Thanks for the stimulating debate sir.

          • aub32

            No prob. I enjoy the back and forth. I don’t think it’s about right and wrongs so much as discussing opinions. The future will eventually show whether Foles or Manziel is the better QB. Right now I am hoping for Foles because he’s wearing Green. However, if Roseman pulled off some type of upside down trade for Manziel, “Let’s go Johnny F!!!”

          • Joe from Easton

            Once my initial emotions subsided I’d undoubtedly be rooting for the guy because I’m eagles green through and through. I would just be extremely disappointed / shocked / upset if it happened.

          • aub32

            I would be shocked but not too disappointed. It’s no secret here that I think Foles is a product of Kelly. So if Kelly thinks he can do more with Manziel, then I will be very excited.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    this team will not resemble seattle on d. they aren’t built that way. their quickest way to get better and quickly is to add to an already explosive offense. Chip Kelly style. and that’s the path the team is taking. We will kill you with our offense. not our defense. its just the way it is

  • #1GeagleFan

    howie’s kicking the tires with all the other gm’s so he has all the various “if this than that” scenario’s covered…. it’s not out of the question that if it’s possible to move up to #2 or #4 by swapping this years #1 & #4 and next years #1 & #3, but the only reason they would do that would be for mack… the most likely chance of them moving up to get mack is if jags pass on him at #3 (not likely) and then they could trade with browns… so they’re laying groundwork just in case…. zero chance they move up for any wr as that is a low priority position for chip, in my estimation

    • cheapmeat

      Up vote for name

  • #1GeagleFan

    mack is the guy they’re getting wet about, barr and dion jordan are “love the one you’re with” back up options

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      haha great choice of words

  • Tonzi

    If the Eagles move into the top 5, Khalil Mack is the target, it’s not a receiver. Howie even said you can get a potential starting receiver in the 4th or 5th round. No way they move up that high for a receiver

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      agree with you both

  • JosephR2225

    Somebody should hack Howie’s first-pick.com account, get us an idea of what he’s thinking.

    • knighn

      Wouldn’t it be hilarious if he actually used it?

      • cliff henny

        it would. imagine Howie talking trade terms, teams using the Havard or Jimmy Johnson chart and Howie’s hacked First-pick and he’s using their’s. 31 GMs are wondering what the heck batting average Howie is smoking.

        • knighn

          “You’ve got to give me your #6 pick, Tom! It works on first-pick.com! Check it!”

    • JofreyRice

      In Howie’s backstory, I think McLane put out the info that Howie used to make homemade draft boards back in the day with cardboard and velcro and stuff, no joke.

  • Tonzi

    Imagine this: Mack in the 1st round. Give up 2014 1st and 3rd, 2015 1st and 3rd round picks. Eagles draft a DB in the 2nd, WR in the 4th, OL in the 5th and DL in the 7th plus UDFA. Eagles become immediate super bowl contenders for this year and subsequent years to come. Keep the Dream Alive!

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    guess I will try. here goes nothing.
    They make trade with Carolina at 28 so Carolina comes up to 22 to get Cooks. Eagles drop and pick up Carolina 3rd.
    1st #28 Dee Ford OLB
    2nd#54 Cody Latimer WR
    3rd#86 Telvin Smith (to play safety) S
    3rd#92 Keith McGill CB
    4th#122 Deanthony Thomas RB/WR
    5th#162 Brett Smith QB
    7th#237 A.C. Leonard TE
    I do like offense.

    • George

      1) EW, Dee ford. 2)Telvin has said he wants to play linebacker 3) McGill is a bit old for my taste, id rather grab desir

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        I like Desir as well

    • pjcostello

      Good try! But… I don’t think Latimer lasts until 54, and I don’t see the Eagles taking DAT when they signed Sproles, or a QB when they have three on the roster — and need a defensive lineman, an offensive lineman, and an inside LB. Just my two cents.

  • B-West

    I hate that I’ve become this cynical, but this feels a bit like a ratings ploy. Are there similar rumors circulating for other teams? These rumors could be the shot in the arm needed to overcome the draft fatigue that has set in due to the schedule push back this year.

  • Neanderthal

    If we give up next yrs 1st. i want extra picks this year, not to move up. With all the underclassmen this yr, next yrs draft will be diluted. This yrs #40 might be higher rated than next yrs #25. If i could get a lower 2nd and 4th for next yrs 1, I would do it,

  • NCBiRDMann22

    I would entertain a trade of this caliber for either MACK daddy or Sammy Watkins. Either guy would raise the level of this team instantly instead of hoping your pick at 22 pans out. Get me that stud!

  • NickS1

    I can’t wait until we’re discussing who we actually draft/moves we (possibly) made in the draft and not still dreaming of scenarios to get the player we want. Tomorrow night can’t come soon enough.

  • jkidd49

    I would guess that 98% of the “experts” making all these comments don’t know the difference between the WILL and SAM in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3 or a 1 tech vs a 0, a field corner vs a boundary… hard to make a valid point without a certain level of knowledge

    • Neanderthal

      83.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Did you make that percentage up on the spot?… lol

        • Neanderthal

          Ha. Thats the point

        • willissez

          …thank you Ted that was the joke

          • Andy124

            Mosebeus designs

        • Andy124

          He only made up 83.4% of it.

    • peteike

      smartest guy in the room eh

      • jkidd49

        smart enough to know the differences mentioned above…

        • Andy124

          smarter enough. nice.

  • Tom W

    to get Evans at 6 or Mack or Watkins at 5, its gonna take 22 and 54 and next year’s first. I think its a silly idea for a number of reasons: 1) team draft mentality is build through draft — deepest draft ever — need more picks; 2) that stud player is a torn acl from leaving you squat from this draft; 3) for every can’t miss top 5 stud, there are just as many misses at top 5 prospects; 4) Use our college coaching experience w this pool of players and find starters through the fifith round — get more picks get more starters.

    Evans isn’t a top 5 player. Watkins doesn’t even have elite size. Mack went to buffalo. I could see trading up for clowney or maybe robinson but thats about it. Think we have no intention of trading into top 10 (costs too much) and no way evans falls to 10 or 11.

    Use your scouting advantage Chip and trade back and build this thing the right way like you and howie preached all free agency.

    • Joe L

      “Mack went to buffalo.”

      Go on……

      • peteike

        ??

        • Joe L

          I was waiting on what his point was with Mack’s college.

          • peteike

            gotcha, I take that to mean small school so hes limited since it fits into the bashing paragraph

          • Joe L

            Figured. Was hoping it wasn’t reasoning as poor as that.

      • Maggie

        Yes, and Joe Greene went to North Texas State.

    • Richard Colton

      You’re right of course, and that still might not be enough. #22, #54, and 2015 bottom 1/3rd pick wouldn’t get a #4 from me. Why should it work on Cleveland ?

      • aub32

        Because it’s Cleveland?

        • Richard Colton

          Indy? Maybe. Cleveland hordes picks like fat kids hoard cake.

          • aub32

            They hoarde their mid round picks. They haven’t really been opposed to moving down in the first. Imagine is they had picked Jonees and had him across from Gordon.

          • Richard Colton

            They could do it this year and take Watkins. You want offense in Cleveland to go along with Gordon?

            #1 (4) Watkins, WR
            #1 (26) Morgan Moses, OT
            #2 Teddy Bridgewater, QB
            #3 Tre Mason, RB

          • aub32

            You really think TB falls out of the 1st round? I just don’t see it. ARZ? PIT? NE? DEN? MIN? CIN? I just don’t see it.

  • Mark F

    These journalists are idiots.

  • Glenn

    I think Evans is a nice player. But trading next year’s #1, this year’s #1, and possibly one or two third round picks to move up 16 slots is absolute lunacy. I also think Cooks, Lee, and Beckham are very nice players as well. They will come away with an excellent player at 22, and should not chase a player. In fact, I could see Lee or Cooks being better players than Evans. The risk/reward/cost ratio does not support moving up. The only way this makes sense is if the front office is purposely trying to fool the rest so a guy like Barr or Clinton-Dix falls to 22. Or Chip has fallen in love with Manziel.

    • anon

      Think it’s misdirection — wouldn’t be totally surprised if they moved for a LB — hope it’s not for OL.

    • Maggie

      Agree. Trading all those 1st and 2nd round picks would put the Eagles on the same level as Washington. Yuck!

      • Glenn

        Wouldn’t surprise me if Barr falls down to 22! Certainly someone really good will be there at 22, and then adjust the rest of the draft accordingly.

  • Rick H

    Two 1st & two 3rds per Sal I DON’T KNOW. The Eagles are simply exploring all the possibilities with the teams in the top 15. It is very smart! Evaluate which deal is the most cost effective as well as a good match between the teams. Sal is guessing as he normally does because he wants to be relevant which he generally isn’t! They may trade up but not at that price.

  • PaoliBulldog

    I like Cosell but his Benjamin/Boldin analogy is facile. Boldin came out of FSU with outstanding hands, route running ability and work ethic. Benjamin has shown none of those.

  • JReamer

    My best score I’ve gotten. I did this specifically with no trades.

    Your score is: 5215 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 22: Odell Beckham, WR, LSU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Christian Kirksey, OLB, Iowa (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: A.J. McCarron, QB, Alabama (A)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Anthony Fera, K, Texas (A)

    • Maggie

      Don’t know why a WR in the 1st, but you did notice that a kicker would be a good thing.

  • Ian Farley

    what would you rather see?

    A trade up? Eagles 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, and 2015 1st for Jax 1st and 2 6th’s
    Round 1 Pick 3 (JAX): Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Josh Huff, WR, Oregon (A)
    Round 6 Pick 2 (WASH): Dri Archer, WR, Kent State (C+)
    Round 6 Pick 3 (JAX): Vinnie Sunseri, SS, Alabama (B-)
    Round 6 Pick 27 (IND): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (C+)
    Round 6 Pick 29 (JAX): Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon (B-)

    A trade down? Eagles give 1st for San Diego 1st, 3rd, and 4th.
    Also traded the 5th for Cincinnati 5th and 6th.
    Round 1 Pick 25 (S.D.): Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville (B)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 25 (S.D.): Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Khairi Fortt, OLB, California (D+)
    Round 4 Pick 25 (S.D.): Dontae Johnson, FS, North Carolina State (C)
    Round 5 Pick 24 (CINN): Ryan Carrethers, DT, Arkansas State (B-)
    Round 6 Pick 27 (IND): Dri Archer, WR, Kent State (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg (D-)

    • Andy124

      What would I rather see? The actual draft vice a bunch of mocks.

      • Ian Farley

        just saying… all the talk of a trade… would people rather see a move up or a move down if they move at all?

        • Andy124

          wasn’t ripping you, just wishing for the real thing.

          • anon

            Id personally like a ban on first-pick draft posting.

          • Andy124

            If there was a poll:
            What should be banned, first-pick results OR Geagle

            I’ll bet we all know what would get the lion’s share of the votes lol.

      • JofreyRice

        Speaking of which, I’ll be releasing my 2014 Mock Draft 56.0 on Monday Morning at 5 AM sharp, along with my “Guide to the 2018 Draft” insiders pamphlet and Mock Draft 2016 Version 8.03 (This version features trades along with new teams that haven’t been invented yet, including the Tuscaloosa Orangutans and the Bismarck Itty-Bitty Titty Committee).

        • Richard Colton

          It’s a shame Bismarck will never have the chance to really compete, seeing as how they’re going to be relocated to London after the 2020 season.

          • JofreyRice

            damn, I’m gonna have to work on Version 8.04 now that you put that rumor out there.

          • Richard Colton

            the fake drafts are driving me nuts today. I like 99% of these posters, but the Mack and Evans talk has to stop.

            It’s like that guy on WIP who called in yesterday (and presumably spent an hour on hold) to say “…the Igglez should trade down and get Izell Beachman”

          • cliff henny

            who gets a team first, LA, Vegas, London or Mexico City?

          • anon

            Toronto, LA, London – never Vegas,

          • Richard Colton

            Wow. Great question. Jacksonville is committed to playing some home games in London next year. Provided that goes well, I’ll say London.

            I think the NFLPA would want to nix Mexico for several reasons. Vegas doesn’t have the population; plus the NFL hates the gambling angle. I’m almost tempted to throw Toronto on your list – but if Trump buys the team, he’s committed to staying in Buffalo.

          • cliff henny

            my sleeper was going to be Germany. nfl Europe or whatever it was called, was pretty big there.

          • Andy124

            I loved NFL Europe (World League). Frankfurt Galaxy for life! The Barcelona Dragons were cool too.

          • Warhound

            They had much better cheerleaders. Or at least they employed them better. High boots, sexy dance routines…..

          • Maggie

            Half the buffalo fans are from Toronto anyway. AS an aside,

          • Warhound

            I don’t know, as Cliff points out, American Football was more popular in Germany than in England. Though I think that’s moot because travel and scheduling issues would be to much of a problem regardless.

          • Maggie

            Maybe so. A few years ago it was discovered that North Dakota had somehow never been ratified as part of the United States. Over 5000 comments were posted on 1 site. 4900 of them said, and I am paraphrasing here, “RUN!”

        • Andy124

          I expect to have my 2015 big board completed sometime Saturday night.

    • peteike

      down for sure. I will be seriously po’d if they sell the farm for one player. Id be seriously, seriously, seriously po’d if its Manziel.

  • myeaglescantwin

    I’d rather read any of these retarded mocks ,, than watch a second of the Mike Mayock, Mel Kiper nonsense. Those guys are getting paid to be wrong. You’s are just having fun.

    One thing yous are neglecting is Chips propensity to draft large bodied project players in the later rounds. I think he knows what guys need a year in an NFL lifting program. IE Kruger / Mohma. Look for players like Urban, Heart and a few other DL hogs in the later rounds.

    kind of like what Andy did with skill positions.

    • anon

      Yeah honestly i just skip it all now. It’s the same recycled first round names with the same commentary, you can only mull over something
      for so long.

      I’d say I’d wish we could move on, but move on to what — such a dead zone in the NFL right now, if they’re moving the draft back they should have something to fill in the time (might as well just put those extra games in now)

      • cliff henny

        arena football is kind of fun to watch

      • NickS1

        Sadly, I just got a team stream update that said something about the NFL moving the draft even a week or two later into May. Shoot me.

        • Andy124

          kill the messenger!

      • myeaglescantwin

        i turned off the local radio shows & publications. ignored everything NFL network. it’s all speculation and fabrications, or hate by radio listeners..
        no news whatsoever.

  • travis papa

    I think ppls heads might explode on here but I’d love to see the eagles mortgage the future for Evans get Jordan in a trade and take a handful of crumbums in rds 5-7 with some trade backs.