Draft Debate: Will Eagles Take A QB?

NCAA Football: Virginia Tech at Miami

As we count down to Thursday, Tim and Sheil give their takes on how the Eagles will approach the 2014 draft.

In case you missed yesterday’s installment, they each gave their three most likely targets for the Birds at No. 22.

Today’s question: Will the Eagles spend one of their draft picks on a quarterback?

McManus: I’m not ruling it out.

If you stay true to the best player available approach, there is a chance that you will end up selecting at a position of strength rather than one of need. That was true when the Eagles used the 35th overall pick on tight end Zach Ertz last April despite already having Brent Celek and James Casey on the roster. The idea is to concern yourself with acquiring the most talented players rather than settling for a lesser prospect simply because of the position he plays, and sort it out from there.

Quarterback is a unique animal, though. Asked how he would find enough playing time for Ertz, Casey and Celek, Chip Kelly put three fingers in the air, suggesting that he could deploy packages that have all three tight ends on the field at once. No such luxuries at quarterback. Only one can play at a time, and the Eagles seem to have a pretty good one in Nick Foles. If the Eagles are going to use one of their six picks on a signal-caller, they better be sold on him.

My sense is the Eagles don’t view any of the quarterbacks in this class as can’t-miss prospects. They spoke with Derek Carr of Fresno State “at length” during the Senior Bowl and did some follow-up work, we’re told, but did not schedule a visit with him. They had shown “no interest” in LSU’s Zach Mettenberger the last time we checked in. Local product Tom Savage hasn’t received much love from the Eagles. And the Tajh Boyd camp wasn’t looking at Philly as a likely landing spot when we spoke with them a couple weeks back. There has not been any overt interest in any of the quarterbacks leading up to the draft, though it’s possible they are high on one or two behind the scenes.

I don’t see Johnny Manziel slipping into their range, and the odds are against a quarterback being the clear-cut best player available when they are on the clock. So I’ll say they come out of the draft without a quarterback and head into the season with the trio of Foles, Matt Barkley and Mark Sanchez.

Kapadia: My sense is that the Eagles will not end up drafting a quarterback this year.

Having said that, Kelly’s philosophy on QBs seems to be similar to Andy Reid’s. The basic premise? Don’t pass up talent. You can always use two. And worst-case scenario, you take advantage of needy teams down the road.

One tough part about this question is we don’t know exactly what Kelly wants. Last offseason, the team brought back Michael Vick. The Eagles then drafted Barkley. And this offseason, they added Sanchez. Good luck trying to find similarities between those three players. And that’s without even mentioning Foles, the QB who had the most success.

Kelly has gone on record as saying he values accuracy and decision-making first and foremost. Beyond that, we can point to hand size. And while it’s not a requirement, athleticism/mobility should be considered a plus because it opens up the playbook for a prospect who might be lacking in one of the other categories.

Last week, Howie Roseman said the Eagles have first-round grades on three QBs, and there is debate whether a fourth belongs. Given the scrutiny that Teddy Bridgewater has been under, the guess is opinion is split on him within the Eagles’ organization. The top three? In no particular order: Manziel, Carr and Central Florida’s’ Blake Bortles.

Manziel is the most intriguing name. But it seems highly unlikely that he falls to No. 22. And even if he did, would the Eagles take him there?

As for later-round prospects, there are a couple intriguing names. One is Virginia Tech’s Logan Thomas. At 6-6, 248, he is a unique specimen. Thomas has giant hands (10 7/8 inches) and ran a 4.61. Greg Cosell of NFL Films recently wrote an interesting piece on Thomas, suggesting he’s more advanced than Cam Newton was coming out of college. If other teams see that potential, Thomas could go off the board on Day 2.


And one final name to know - a favorite of friend of the blog Sam Lynch: Wyoming's Brett Smith. At 6-2 with 10-inch hands, Smith ran a 4.51 at his Pro Day. He threw 29 TDs and 11 INTs last year, while also running for 571 yards.

If you're looking for a Day 3 sleeper, Smith might be the guy to keep an eye on.

The other factor to consider is roster construction. Assuming the Eagles only want to keep three QBs, drafting one would open up the possibility of Barkley not making the team. Foles and Sanchez (considering what he's being paid) appear to be locks.

Keeping all that in mind, the guess here is that the Eagles don't end up taking a QB.

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  • GumboGumbo

    No way Chip passes on Manziel if he’s there at 22

    • ohitsdom

      I’d bet heavily against you. Manziel’s game is based pretty heavily on improvisation, Chip wants someone to work his offense.

      • GumboGumbo

        Chip loves the guy! Heavily

        • Amar

          sorry, Chip “loved” the guy that came out of high school with good ball skills and decision making. That guy was Johnny Manziel.
          This is Johnny Football, has a few mugshots, parties with drake, was found in multiple violations of NCAA rules, keeps inciting the defense.
          Chip wouldn’t touch this guy with a 10 foot pole.

      • Ian Farley

        this is accurate. but Manziel has never been truely coached in the pro scheme. his offense didnt ask him to do a lot of the things you need to do in the NFL. i think he is plenty smart enough to do it and learn it.

        it would have to be a worst case scenario for the eagles to draft him at 22, everyone being gone at 22 including barr fuller, odb, cooks, lee, the safeties, everyone. which is unlikely. but if it played out that way…. i could see them saying, hey this guy is 10th (i dunno) on our board, and all our guys in the top 15 are gone except johnny…. lets take the best talent available.

        they did it with Barkley….. a non fit so to say. They had barkley in higher on their board with like a 2nd rd grade. it was good value for them to take him in the 4th.

        • ohitsdom

          Interesting points. Coaching and a new system could make a difference, but there’s also a risk he’ll default to old, bad (but exciting) habits. That seemed to be Vick’s struggle recently.

          I don’t think we can say Barkley was a non fit. Media said Chip wanted a mobile QB, but Chip said that’s false all along. But as this great site has pointed out, I think we’re still learning what type of QB Kelly truly wants.

          • Ian Farley

            never said barkley wasnt a fit…. never said foles wasnt a fit. just saying that kelly wanted vick and the comparisons between vick and manziel are very close outside 40 time.

          • Andy124

            Traits a qb can be similar in coming out of college:
            Heightweight: check
            Agility: check (close enough)
            Arm Strength: nope, Vick with a big lead
            Accuracy: nope, Manziel with a big lead
            Production: nope, Manziel with a big lead
            Football IQ: nope, I’d give Manziel a big nod coming out of college.

            I get they’re little, quick, and run around a lot making big plays. But if you look at actual quarterback traits, I don’t think “very close” is the description I’d use.

          • ohitsdom

            You did say Barkley was a non fit “so to say”. I don’t place to much confidence in Kelly “wanting” Vick. They resigned him pretty cheap, and let him compete with Foles. The other QBs Kelly has brought in (Barkley, Sanchez) are completely different from Vick/Manziel. But the sample size is still small so I think we’re still learning what Chip ultimately values, and what he can live with at a good bargain.

        • Malcolm Jones

          I will show you what Chip Kelly wants in a QB (pg6) but it will also let you know why your coach does what he does and how he thinks… it is the reason I said Barlkley is a fit and Foles is a fit. What this is, is a coaching Clinic about Pratice, but Chip talks about the fundamentals of his offense. People say they dont know what Chip likes and what he thinks… that is wrong, we do know
          http://fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Chip-complete.pdf

    • Andy124

      HA!

    • peteike

      he easily passes him up. No way they dont trade back if hes there at 22

    • myeaglescantwin

      if Johnny is there at 22, guaranteed we get trade offers and move back.

      if Barr, Mosely, HA-HA, Lee are gone, that would be the best case scenario.

      • Ian Farley

        i would tend to agree. and i think the “i love johnny football” line from Kelly is a bluff that they would take him to entice that trade up scenario.

        to trade 22 out of the 1st round would cost at minimum a 2nd and 3rd for most of the QB Needy teams (Oak, Jax, Minn, Cle, Hou)

        best partner i can see based solely on the trade value chart is Jax.

        Jax gives: 2nd pick 39, 3rd pick 67 and 5th pick 144
        for
        Eagles: 1st pick 22 and 7th pick 237

        Cleveland is interesting too….they like johnny and Carr…
        Cle gives: 2nd pick 35, 3rd pick 71
        for
        Eagles: 1st pick 22

        • myeaglescantwin

          I’d even expect Howie to ask for a 2nd rounder and a 2015 1st.

          I don’t buy Chip selecting a QB this year, but NEXT year’s draft class with the kid from FSU and Mariota coming out has got to be on their minds.. I’d love to trade for Cleveland’s first rounder next year. Maybe pull some Joe Banner strings (total jk)

    • Maggie

      A quick reminder. Most mock drafts AND a Super Bowl-winning GM do not have Johnny M in the top 10 and some, including the GM, don’t even have him in the 1st round anymore. They have gone past the original hype and started comparing performance and projected performance, against other QBs available in this year’s draft.

      • myeaglescantwin

        Caserly?? he’s about as useful as Mel Kiper.

  • Shawn Williams

    Nick Foles has been great, but you got to wonder if there isn’t a qb that they like in this draft

  • Malcolm Jones

    Manziel will not be taken by Kelly, even if it is pick 22….two things Chip likes in a QB include height and handsize, his offense makes reads for QB easier so he does not need a Franchise QB, just one who has quick release, some size and if they do not have size atleast a bigger hand(bigger hands mean bigger grip and means less fumbles/turnovers in principle)… manziel hansize is 9 7/8, Foles is 10,Maniel is 6’0 (really 5’11) and Foles is 6’6….Mariota at 6’3 would be the only person who could oust Foles and that would only be because he does everything well and has run threat.Now run threat is not a need but it would just be the complete package. In my Opinion Foles is the guy until he shows us otherwise.

    • Ian Farley

      Mike Vick and Manziel are the same size player. both almost 6 foot 210lbs. johnny has nearly 10 inch hands compared to vicks 8 inch hands.

      I see them being similar players in the league. Exciting, highlight reel players, who will win some games, but not possess the skill level mentally to successfully win titles.

      • Malcolm Jones

        Vick had fumble issues and was always injured….if VIck and manziel play like Russel Wilson everything is great but I dont think they will. As exciting as it is watching them… what happens when a mammoth DE hits him.

        • Ian Farley

          I see Manziel having the same injury concerns as Vick. the style of his play, he is going to take a lot of shots and maybe rarely start more than 12-14 games.

          Neither of them have the poise or wherewithal of a russell wilson. they are gifted athletes with extreme confidence and will to compete. thats great. something that you should have, but Poise, composure, feel for situations is more important.

          i think we have the same take on Manziel. i just differ in that i think he could flourish with the eagles, but not at a championship level…. if that makes sense.

      • peteike

        I totally agree. I think Manziel comes out and wins games and impresses. Then falls back hard in yrs 2 and 3, then comes back to squeak in playoffs and flame out. Theres his career arc haha.

      • myeaglescantwin

        and get destroyed when a 4-3 DE is 6’4 280 and runs a 4.5 gets a clean hit on him.

        that’s the only knock on Manzeil.

    • Ian Farley

      my only question to your point that Kelly wont take him, is why did he recruit him so heavily to Oregon if he is not the type of QB he wants? and why was he “heartbroken” when he decommitted to A&M?

      • Malcolm Jones

        Chip did not have alot of 5 star player in college and you are going against lesser talent. Everybody who cant get 5 star talent,in that position, would want him. Manziel is not horrible, he has a lot of great attributes, but height is not one of them. If you have the choice between Manziel and Mariota, I take the height and weight because their is a better chance of longevity with a player with the NFL height and weight. Chip wanted Manziel and EJ MANuel (maniel is 6’3-6’5, 220, size 10 hand) and Chip considered taking him in the draft. Barkley, Foles, Manuel, Sanchez have similar build. I would even take WIlson because the style of play still makes me believe he will last a while. If you cant have the 6’3-6’5 guy take the small guy with big hands, but chip has chose the latter in the NFL. Also chip was being sarcastic and funny with that quote.

        • Ian Farley

          i agree the i love manziel talk is a bluff for a trade back scenario.

          manziel does have big hands though 9 7/8 is 10 inches….1/8 inch is nothing…

          i think he can be coached but it has to be the right situation. eagles would be a good one but i dont think they will do it.

          we will see….one thing we know, kelly is a wild card. he could do anything…. eyes will be wide open come this weekend.

          • Malcolm Jones

            if they get him i am the first to apologize to you and will back the pick, the potential is endless….but I just dont see it esp because 10 other teams need him and we dont, plus we got other spots that could use help even with the BPA picks

      • Malcolm Jones

        habits are hard to break (i.e Vick)… I dont believe Manziel alters his game in NFL.. Now he has better skills then VIck but same build makes me nervous.

  • JosephR2225

    You guys aren’t factoring in Chip’s new offensive scheme, the double pistol. 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 5 TEs on the field on every play, and each player can play all 11 positions.

  • anon

    Agree they probably don’t like Bridgewater he hand size is only 91/4 and you saw the effect of that when he didn’t wear gloves, i think he’s an underrated QB right now but gotta stick to principles I suppose (I would take him if I was another team and he feel to late 1st mid 2nd).

    • peteike

      is he the guy pouting in the green room this year?

    • Malcolm Jones

      I think Arizona is good for H2O….he gets to sit for a while and then can be really good with accuracy and two WR’s to help him out.

  • Brandon Boykin, LOL

    Logan Thomas would be an interesting acquisition in my opinion. While he had his lows, I think Thomas was a victim of a declining Beamer. Beamer’s offense was exposed all through the Tyrod Taylor days. He doesn’t make good use of his quarterbacks. Which is why, still in my opinion, Thomas seemed to take a step back each year. Not to mention Va Tech has declined overall.

    Just an opinion.

    • Joe L

      It’s not Beamer’s fault that Thomas couldn’t throw a beach ball into the ocean. Big arm, no touch and poor accuracy.

      He’d make a great TE though.

      • Brandon Boykin, LOL

        Well, catching the occasional Va Tech game, it seems, to me, that Thomas looked good his freshman year. Then declined each subsequent year. Beamer’s offense grew more and more stale each year. Now I could be completely wrong, but Beamer’s offense struggled with a super athletic Tyrod Taylor. Logan Thomas not being quite the athlete Taylor was, struggled each year due to Beamer’s offensive ineptitude. Once again, could be completely wrong. But this is what I saw.

  • Andy124

    Logan did not progress over 4 years as a QB and has no accuracy. The guy’s not a project, he’s a tight end.

    • JofreyRice

      That’s kinda where I’m at, but Cosell’s analysis gives me pause; I mean, I know he puts in a lot of work, and prides himself on QB evals.

      At the end of the day, though, I think in a QB class where you have a lot of undersized guys, <6'2", with average to above average arms, a towering Roethlisberger body type with a cannon infatuates some people. I could def see him going before the 3rd round, and I want no part of that.

      • Andy124

        I agree that somebody will get infatuated and draft him at some point. But that someone ain’t me, and I don’t want it to be the Eagles. I’ve said this before, but I’m not kidding, I’d take Kinne over Thomas.

  • DEBO 215

    No QB. Waste of a pick now that they have 3 under contract.

    • Andy124

      4

      Long live Kinne!

  • Eagles1018

    I like the measurables of Logan Thomas, so much that I was kinda surprised the Eagles had interest let alone signed Mark Sanchez. I thought Terelle Pryor would have made sense also. I just don’t see Sanchez as a guy that makes sense. I’ll be honest and say I’ve never personally seen enough video of Thomas to speak to his potential at the nfl level but I’ve always heard good things

  • Wes

    Are people really this clueless as to what Nick Foles did last year in only his second year? He tied the single game TD record while sitting out the last quarter and had just 2 INTs all season (one being in the snowbowl). Even if he goes down for a game or two, I have confidence that Sanchez (or Barkley) will be able to run this offense especially with the amount of weapons we have…so picking a QB at 22 or even in the 2nd round would be absurd

    • Brandon Boykin, LOL

      Everything you say about Foles is true. The only reason I think the talk is happening is because Foles may not be Chip’s guy. NO I’M NOT SAYING CHIP NEEDS A RUNNER. I’m saying that Foles was a holdover from the Reid regime. Also, Foles, before his epic year, did lose the battle to an old, ailing, mistake and injury prone Vick. We still don’t know what Chip actually wants in a QB (Barkley is rumoured to be a Howie pick). Although you could speculate that Chip likes USC/Pac12 QBs. Haha.

      Am I endorsing this train of thought? Not entirely. Would I dump Foles for some college kid who hasn’t had success on the pro level? No. I’m attempting to answer your “are people really this clueless…” question.

      • JofreyRice

        Not just Manziel, but essentially ALL the QBs Chip recruited heavily had the running element to their game. I think that’s where the speculation comes in. Tahj Boyd, EJ Manuel, Manziel, Terrelle Pryor, Marcus Mariota.

        It’s a weird argument, because I think Foles’ skillset was definitely maximized by Kelly’s offense, but I’d be very skeptical of a move where he got rid of Foles in favor of a guy that can run. I think it would essentially fly in the face of the idea that he can adjust to the talent. When you put it in context with the Desean release, I think it’d contribute to the idea that he’s got to have “his guys”, and that his system will work with anyone.

        • Malcolm Jones

          all of them tall except Boyd and manziel…Mariota is one to watch but given the chance move up and take EJ, he let Barkley fall to him. Chip says it himself at his clinic, he rather have a 6-4-6’5 QB with weight and Big hands, but in college they just arent out there for the taking like that esp when competing with Alabama and the like
          http://fishduck.com/wp-content

        • Brandon Boykin, LOL

          Yeah I’m not saying Chip will make such a move. But your whole first paragraph is why this discussion STILL exists, in my opinion. Plus, look at how long it took Chip to adjust his offense to the lack of running QB option. It was after the bye week I believe. (Note to everyone) With six picks, I hope we don’t draft a QB. Especially when a Kenny Guitton or other players to which I’m not privy will be a UDFAs.

        • Kev_H

          Hopefully Kelly realizes the difference between what you need to succeed for 10+ grueling NFL seasons and what you need for 2+ college seasons full of byes, blowouts, and more home games than away.

      • Andy124

        Also, Foles, before his epic year, did lose the battle to an old, ailing, mistake and injury prone Vick.

        Well, the Vick he lost the battle to played flawlessly through very limited preseason action. Foles was damn impressive as well, leading the team to just as many points per posession, but two of Nicks drives ended in turnovers. Battle over.

        Don’t try to make it sound like Vick played like bad Vick and Foles lost out to that.

        • Brandon Boykin, LOL

          Ok before I begin, I’m not advocating a change from Foles, drafting a QB, or any of that. The poster said that he was clueless as to why this was a discussion. This is all an attempt to discuss that. Plus, I’m tired of discussing potential draft picks, and libeling Foles is semi fun.

          Now, last year many people brought up the point that we knew what we had in Vick. Turnover prone, injury prone, holds ball too long, does not throw receivers open, etc. His problems were compounded by the fact that he had been doing this for a decade. And, let’s face it, Vick, while impressive in spurts, returned to form in 2013. Foles lost to Vick although EVERYONE knew what we were getting in Vick. That doesn’t ring a little bell? We KNEW he would finish a season (check), we knew he’d hold on to the ball too long (see: 1-3 start), and we knew he would not throw receivers open (see every other receiver not named DeSean Jackson running a 9 route).

          Foles lost in the face of ALL OF THE EVIDENCE. So I’m not acting like Vick played like bad Vick. I’m acting like despite all of Vick’s known limitations, and despite Foles upside, Foles lost a competition. That’s it. What would be damning to my argument is if you would’ve said “locker room move.” Then I would be stonewalled.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            *would not finish a season.

          • Andy124

            All evidence points to Chip throwing track records out the window and basing the evaluation on nothing more than what they did in his practices and his preseason games. Which brings us right back to, Foles didn’t lose a competition to a guy with a long history or injuries and turnovers. He lost to 13-15 for 199 yards. Because Nick “only” went 11-14 for 96 yards.

            Now if you want to discuss whether it’s smarter to base that kind of decision off of 15 preseason pass attempts or 10 years of track record, well, that’s another conversation. :)

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Please understand this is all in good fun for me. I’m cool with Foles, and I don’t want to draft a QB. UDFAs, different story. If anything, this discussion, to me, is for the hell of it.

            Anyway, regardless of how you spin it, Foles did not beat out Vick. Yes, he looked good. Chip, who is all about his measureables and numbers chose Vick. What did Vick’s numbers say?

            This, in my opinion, is why the media, and maybe to a certain point Sheil and Tim, are having this discussion. Or maybe it’s because Chip needs a running QB to make his system work. Or maybe it’s because DeSean is in every Cali gang. Or maybe it’s because Brandon Boykin will remain in the slot until he dies.

          • Andy124

            So your opinion is that other QBs are a story because Foles didn’t win the preseason QB competition. That’s a reasonable opinion. All I’m saying is that Foles didn’t lose out to a guy with a known history, he lost out to 15 pass attempts. Doesn’t negate your opinion, just the spin in the post I originally replied to.

            And the only way Boykin stays in the slot is when he shifts out there from his natural OLB position.

            My opinion as to why other QBs still get written about: It’s a combination. Foles outperformed expectations by a country mile, some are still waiting for his performance to meet their expectations. Plus, Chip has a track record of playing mobile QBs. It’s not like we can ask the world to have amnesia. Plus, it gets page clicks. It’s not like we can ask the media to ignore that reality. Plus, other stuff.

        • Wilbert31

          Vick did indeed light it up in preseason. Enough so, even to me, that he deserved the starting gig. Problem for Vick was that he didn’t see the same vanilla defenses in the regular season. Once he had to read a defense of any complexity – Game Over.

      • http://batman-news.com Wes

        I basically am clueless as to why this is even in discussion…Foles had a year that most QBs won’t even have in their entire career…and hasn’t even been a starter for a FULL 16 game season…sure Foles has some downfalls, but if we draft a QB this year with just 6 picks I will be furious

        • Brandon Boykin, LOL

          Well, not to be a wise ass, but my whole post was an attempt to answer why this was a discussion…

          • http://batman-news.com Wes

            Ah you wise ass…lol jk…I hear ya buddy

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Haha I apologize if that’s how I came off. I’m just trying not discuss picks. I feel like I know ALL the draft picks. Haha

    • Maggie

      Many of the people commenting here have been doing so for some time. Most think the world of Foles and are either just kidding or being sardonic about many of the media “experts”. ;~)

      • http://batman-news.com Wes

        Right – I mean I hope they are kidding because this kid is a hidden gem and I can’t even imagine how good our team will be once we build a solid foundation on defense

  • Rick H

    I have inside information that the Eagles have met with the following QBs.
    1. Sonny Jurgensen
    2. Norm Snead
    3. King Hill
    4. Jack Concannon
    5. Y.A. Title
    6. Bart Starr
    7. Randall Cunningham
    8. Marcus Vick
    9.Joe Theismann
    10. Bubba Brister.
    The Eagles will take two of these guys early!!!

    • Richard Colton

      YA Tittle was clearly a smokescreen

      • Andy124

        Title’s the true target. Makes a perfect teammate for Cox, Peters and Johnson.

      • Rick H

        Both comments are hysterical! Smoke is probably coming from his ashes.. I know I am going straight to Hell.

    • Maggie

      As in “QB love is lovelier, the second time around?”

  • peteike

    omg no, dont cha know. Mark Barkley is super duper solid character guy learning on the bench, totally not replaceable.

  • Amar

    The biggest reason why Kelly won’t take Manziel has little to do with his football skills and more to do with his Johnny Football alter-ego. When Kelly recruited Manziel to Oregon he didn’t have mugshots, drake, NCAA violations on his resume.

    • JofreyRice

      Off topic but is Chip still suspended by the NCAA?

      • Amar

        He was never really suspended…it was more like ‘if Kelly wants to return to coaching college football in the next two seasons, he and the school that hires him will have to show that they have a plan in place to abide by any restrictions that the NCAA puts on his recruiting.’
        This was June 2013

        • Andy124

          Yup. They called it a “show-cause penalty”.
          It’s was for 18 months starting last June I believe, so he’s still got about 7 months to go.

          I’m sure he’s counting the days… :)

          • Joe from Easton

            He’s DEFINITELY going back to the college ranks once his penalty is up.

          • Andy124

            It’s in all caps, it must be true. Fare thee well Chip. We barely knew ye.

          • Joe from Easton

            Glad you know that all caps shall not be debated.

      • Malcolm Jones

        still has sanctions until 2016 I believe.

      • peteike

        pretty sure this was sarcasm as in if Chip has violations why would he care if JM does/did?

        • JofreyRice

          Moi!?

        • Amar

          Not sure if sarcasm would start with “off topic but”.

      • cliff henny

        gotta break some eggs JR

        • JofreyRice

          hey, totally agree.

          • cliff henny

            long as they arent my eggs

  • Scott J

    Looking at the QB’s Kelly has brought in, Vick, Foles, Barkley, and Sanchez, it seems like Kelly wants a quarterback that throws picks, can’t run fast, can’t throw the deep ball, and fumbles when he comes in contact with a large butt.

  • willissez

    If you draft a qb late, say 6th or 7th, it is no reflection whatsoever of your starter. If our last pick is on a qb who can run a little bit, that’s cool with me. Doesn’t change my Foles4Prez attitude

  • Rick H

    Just listened to Ron Jaworksi castrate Manziel on the radio. Said he is full of flaws and would not touch him. Called him a potential journeymen backup. Seriously go to 97.5 and listen to it on their website.

  • Max Lightfoot

    I don’t like Manziel. He’s too short, too light and, like Vick, will get injured by game 8 for whoever takes him. Plus, his head is too dang colossal and HE HAS NO NECK. I’m sick of the same TV footage of him running around, stiff as a damn flagpole. Does he have a broomstick hidden somewhere? Six feet tall, my buns!

    Just my two cents.