New Challenges Ahead For Foles

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Howie Roseman
has likened young quarterbacks to pitchers: Oftentimes they’ll have success their first time through the lineup because there is no book on them, but the degree of difficulty goes up as the familiarity increases.

Nick Foles knows that in order to have a similar level of success this year that he enjoyed in 2013, he’ll have to elevate his game.

“I’ve played a little bit more, they have tape on me. They’re going to understand my tendencies more, what I do,” said Foles while speaking to a small group of reporters at the NovaCare Complex Wednesday. “So I really have to continue to excel as a player and I have to study my tendencies: what do I do on different plays? Am I always doing the same footwork right here? Am I always looking in the same direction? I need to study that because they are going to be ready for it this year. I know that.


"I mean in college after my sophomore year, I went out there and [opposing defenses] had totally switched things around. There's always that adjustment because the guys we are playing against are pretty darn good so we have to be ready for it."

In some respects, Foles is a world away from where he was this time last year.

He was still a relative unknown last offseason despite starting six games down the stretch in 2012. He was set to compete for the starting job with Michael Vick -- a figure that can't help but overshadow most who stand beside him -- and would ultimately lose that duel. The spotlight was shared and hung at a distance. This time around, the job is his (barring something unforeseen), and his outstanding performance last year has vaulted him into the national conversation.

"Mindset and everything hasn't changed," he said. "I'm still the same guy y'all talked to when I arrived here my rookie year. With all [the success] there are opportunities that arise but you also have to learn to say no to things because there are so many of them. My most important thing is my faith and my family. That's what I worry about the most: if things are taking away time from my family I have to say no. And obviously I have to be the best football player I can be to provide for them and do well here to have success as a team. Really I am the same person."

Family is on the mind even more now for Foles, who announced that he got married this offseason.

So, new wife and new challenges on and off the football field. And, you may have heard, a new-look receiving corps minus DeSean Jackson.

"We'll have guys step up," he said. "We have Mac [Jeremy Maclin] back which is exciting, and we'll see what happens in the draft coming up. And we also have guys coming in that have to step up and make plays. We've got [Arrelious] Benn who is coming off injury and is healthy. We'll see what happens. DeSean is a great receiver, he's very talented, he's unique in how he's so fast and can get open and do things like that. He's a hard guy to replace but we'll have a guy step in and do a great job in their own way.

"I expect my receivers to make plays when they go out there."

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  • Shawn Williams

    From what roseman said today I’m really starting to think the eagles might take johnny football if he is there at 22. I keep saying that I can see them drafting him and sitting him until they think he’s ready to start.

    • Maggie

      That would be foolish and the FO is not foolish. Besides, several other teams would take him to sell tickets.

    • sprawl

      That’s probably what Howie wants you to think. Remember Geno Smith getting a private workout with Lurie in attendance?

      It’s in the Eagles’ best interests to show that they want every player until it’s time to make a trade-back deal.

      • Maggie

        Trade back with whom? Why should another team trade to #22, when it seems to have so little value?

        • peteike

          the value could be there come draft day, who knows at this point. A team wanting a QB that drops or thinks another team wants that guy whos ahead of them. Or any other position but ya Im also thinking it might be harder than we hope to move back. Teams with extra picks will most likely move into teens.

          • Johnny Domino

            If Cleveland doesn’t take a QB at #4, you know they will probably be looking at #26, so they might want to go up to secure a dropping prospect, or someone else might look to leapfrog and do the same. The #22 may increase in value exponentially as the draft unfolds.

            Which is why I largely ignore the plethora of insipid mocks.

          • A Roy

            Concur.

          • Maggie

            Wow. Plethora AND insipid in the same sentence. My respects, sir. As an aside, I almost got into amateur radio once upon a time.

        • myeaglescantwin

          you keep saying that.

          but the value doesn’t have to be through our team’s eyes..
          If someone is willing to give up multiple draft pics to acquire a player they covet, it doesn’t matter what the masses feel the value is. Teams go and draft their guy.

          • Maggie

            Well, the posters here seem to think that #22 has little value. Personally, I would like to see the Eagles trade UP. Acquire the Rams second 1st Round pick (#13?) somehow, and go get Barr. A great pass rush automatically makes the DBs better.

          • paul from nc

            I’d love to get Barr, but what would the Eagles have to trade up that the Rams would want/need?

        • dnabrice

          Teams will be trading throughout the draft. We’ll see what happens.

      • IAteLunchToday

        I don’t really believe Geno Smith was a smokescreen. The quarterback position was an open competition at that point. They didn’t know what they had for sure in Nick Foles. They still don’t completely. Even the article talks about adjustments. We’ll see how it goes. I hope he does well. He seems talented, hardworking, and intelligent so I’m inclined to believe he will do well, too.

      • Will

        Maybe there will be a corner or LB at 22 that the Niners want badly enough

    • paul from nc

      He will be gone long before that and I’d be happy. I don’t want him for the Eagles. He’s going to get killed with that no look, spin around move.
      As someone said elsewhere, a D end will be his dead end.

  • myeaglescantwin

    that first paragraph describes the phillies from 08 up until now.

    • NickS1

      Old n declining?

      • myeaglescantwin

        well. more so that they came from nowhere.
        The 08′ phillies were 1-0 games out of first before the Mets blew the division lead. Then the Phills came out gangbusters and crushed on the way to the WS-Title.

        in the next few years, all their numbers declined as teams identified them as “the team to beat” . The entire league had tape on them & studied their tendencies. Ruban kept the same players, so the struggle continues today.

        in the NFL , look what happened to Josh McDaniel’s .
        he comes out 7-0, but then runs out of looks. Teams identified his play scheme and the losses started piling up.

  • Maggie

    I like the concept, which apparently nobody else ever thought of, that a new receiver or two would not be a replacement, but different. “we’ll have a guy step in and do a great job in their own way”.

    • IAteLunchToday

      Shady said it best, “there is nobody to replace.”

  • sprawl

    Seems like Foles would be the type where if they’re planning to have a baby now that they’re married they’ll make sure the due date is during the offseason. That puts late May and June as ‘business time’ if you want a delivery sometime after the Super Bowl…

    • paul from nc

      Let’s hope his swimmers are faster than his feet,

  • knighn

    Biggest Challenge: not flipping out on reporters after the 12 millionth question about DeSean Jackson.

    • myeaglescantwin

      i love that. I think it is even funnier when the media gets angry for chips responses. They whine about the coach not taking questions, then get pissed when they don’t capitalize on the opportunity.

      Chip get pissed when 7 different reporters ask the same 2 questions in different ways. then they call Chip arrogant, while ignoring their own immature ignorance.

      • knighn

        Not sure what they expect him to say. Something like this?
        “DeSean is a little twerp and it’s a miracle that he makes it through any season without dying from a good hit by a lineman, linebacker, defensive back, or by some of the larger snowflakes that we find in this region.”
        “He’s also a big jerk and almost nobody likes him. Seriously, I started to hate his face through the course of the season and there’s times when he’s on the field doing his stupid stuff and I just want to tackle him myself.”
        “He was overpaid and even the Redskins know it. $10 Million for that guy is just too much.”
        How does that help Chip Kelly? How does that help the team?

        • EagleDuck

          I seriously just laughed out loud. Good stuff!

        • myeaglescantwin

          this guy knows what’s good.

        • SVPhilly

          Can’t stop laughing, thanks for the Wed afternoon humor!

        • therealpistolp

          Nailed it!!!!!

      • anon

        immature ignorance? Honestly what do you expect journalists to do? Eagles waited 30 days before they said anything — this is one of the first times chip’s talked about it publicly. If I’m an editor i’d probably have a serious talk if my guy didn’t ask a question — you never know what someone’s going to say even if the same question is asked a different way — it’s sort of their job.

        Obviously we’re over it b/c we read this stuff non-stop every day. What questions could they ask at this point where they aren’t going to get stonewalled? Eagles aren’t going to be insightful about the draft, their board, why the brang or didn’t bring in certain people in. Even if we asked about Sproles — how much are they going to say about how he’s going to be used, etc.? This FO might just be tight lipped.

        • Maggie

          I believe myeaglescan’twin was referring to Chip’s demeanor in general with the “media” asking the same question over and over again. Don’t you remember, “Who’s going to be your starting QB?” 10,000 times?

          • myeaglescantwin

            yes.

            and more so that the Philadelphia media is more set to tear people down then to promote any real feelings of excitement & positivity.
            if you line up 10 reporters , and 10 of them ask the same question with different wording 9 of them aren’t doing their job.

            why not ask about the conditioning program, Mohma’s return, Krugers’ weight, the particular smoothie blends. any good tracks for the practice music??

            furthermore, anyone that has to guess why DeSean was released hasn’t been paying attention to philly football

  • knighn

    Second Biggest Challenge: Reigning in his growing QB Super Powers so he doesn’t accidentally actually kill the opposing defense.

  • Kev_H

    The pitcher comparison isn’t what we normally see in the NFL. The QBs normally gain a greater advantage with familiarity and they should.

    • reb

      The Detmer boys seemed to do well for about 4 games, and then the other teams got tape on them and shut them down (seems like the same thing happened to Hoying, butI don’t remember). Once you get over that hump, I agree that the QB familiarity outweighs the tape.

      • Kev_H

        Koy started 8 games his entire career, most of them (5) his first season. All were horrible except for a nice spot start in 2002, his 5th year in the league. Ty started 25, but he was 29 years old for the first one. I think a back up like Joe Webb might surprise teams for a game or two but legit QBs, even back ups, generally do better the more they play.

        • reb

          You’re missing my point. Of course “legit QB’s” get better – that’s selection bias. My point is that you don’t know if someone’s a “legit QB” necessarily at the beginning (e.g., Ryan Leaf). Some can look good a few games and then it goes downhill once teams get film on them.

          It’s pretty clear with Ty:
          1996: weeks 7 (NYG), 8 (MIA), 9 (CAR), 10 (DAL) were 4 straight wins for Detmer finally starting (not sharing time with Peete). Then 3 straight losses, a win, then a loss and split time with Rypien, and a two wins. Then the playoff L to SF, but things were pretty much done for him by then.
          1997: he went 2-4 before Peete stepped in for 3 games, then another L, then those chanting “Hoying, Hoying!” got their wish and the wheels were off the bus.

          Yeah, Koy pretty much sucked from the start.

          Hoying had two (and a half) good games before the wheels started coming off.

          That’s why I have confidence in Foles going forward. Teams have had plenty of time to study him and he and the team have been able to adjust.

    • anon

      Think year two is harder especially for guys that “emerge” wouldn’t be surprised or dissapointed — nature of the game, it’s how you bounce back / adjust. It’s good that he’s aware that he’s got to constantly evolve his game — the mental might be the most important aspect..

  • borntosuffer

    minus DeSean who?

    • NickS1

      Jaccson

  • Glenn

    Hopefully, the Eagles draft a stud WR in the first round, whether its Beckham, Cooks, or Lee, to make Foles job less challenging. Any of these three will really make this offense look dangerous, and more well rounded than last year.

  • Kev_H

    Foles played 4 games vs. Dallas, 3 vs. Washington, and 2 vs. Tampa Bay, with one exception (the Dallas debacle) his passer rating kept getting better. His gains from familiarity > opponent’s gains. That should continue.

    • JosephR2225

      Besides, Napoleon Dynamite came out like 10 years ago. There’s no way other teams didn’t have tape before now.

      • Dr. Van Nostrand

        Ahhh….NickFoleon Dynamite, remains one of my favorite movies!
        “Your mom goes to college”

      • Kev_H

        If he inherited Uncle Rico’s arm, we are set!

  • Rick H

    I still have ZERO idea but I am still seeing the Eagles taking a WR at #22 or a surprise trade up to get Evans. I think Chip is still going offense in round 1. The only reason he doesn’t is if the preceding 21 picks take all top graded WR’s (I do not see that happening).
    That would mean other positions would have to fall in general like the 4 QB”s in round 1 and the 4 offensive tackles would also drop in some fashion.
    If you start thinking about it that way then you could easily conclude Clowney & Mack & Watkins & Evans, Ebron 4 QBs/4 OT’s/ then you start adding in Barr, Mosley/Donald/ Dennard/Gilbert/Dix/Pryor/ ***Ealy/ Jerrigan / Nix NT*** ( I wouldn’t be surprised if those last 3 go in the teens somewhere).That is 23 guys right there off the top of my head that “could go” before # 22.
    So that leaves a lot of WR’s on the board. We can guess all day but offensive lines and defensive lines are where a large majority of the games are won and lost. GM’s and Head Coaches still think that way and of course all quarterback needy teams take their chances hoping they hit the Jackpot and reach.

    • Joe L

      They won’t have the ammo to trade up and get Evans. Especially seeing the possibility of the 49ers moving up, and the amount of picks they have the ability to move makes me realize the Eagles just don’t have a shot.

      • Rick H

        I don’t necessarily disagree with you but if I am the Eagles I target 4/3 teams along with a couple of high picks 1st this year & 2nd next year along with a choice of Curry, Graham and /or Brown. I hate to lose Curry and Graham produces even in limited playing time.
        The advantage for the Eagles is their pick in the 1st rd is higher the the 49ers. Not by much but that could be the difference for the team trading down. Someone will be there at #22 but not at 30/29 whatever the 49ers are slotted.
        It depends how badly the Eagles want Evans. You still have your 2nd/3rd/4th/5th & 7th.Just me as a fan guessing.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I’m not trading up for Evans. He’s good, but he’s basically the best big receiver in a bunch of good big receivers. Just not worth what it would take.

      • Rick H

        I hear you. However the real bottom line is what Chip Kelly thinks. On the flip side (to your point) the Eagles & Chip Kelly also sends out the message that his philosophy can pick a couple WR’s that are good to very good and actually be more successful. I.E. Take Cooks & M. Bryant or some combination of 2 wide receivers. Or yet another scenario wide receiver in rd 1 and a Tight End in rd 2.

  • mtn_green

    27/2 will be on fire. I think adjustments were coming last year. It looked like NO was trying to keep 27/2 from rolling to his right. Many right handed QBs roll to their right, maybe they saw something.

  • devCal

    first and last..

    Round 1:22: Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California (B)
    Round 2:22: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State (A)
    Round 3:22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A)
    Round 4:22: Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (A)
    Round 5:29 (N.O.): Jeoffrey Pagan, DE, Alabama (B+)
    Round 6:31 (DEN): Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw Valley (A)
    Round 7:31 (DEN): De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (A-)

    • DoctorRick

      I could live with this draft!

    • Maggie

      Not too shabby. Glad you waited until the 4th to take a corner.

    • addicted2mula

      If we could get DT in round 7 would be great. Dont think he would make it that though

  • DoctorRick

    Yay me!! In anticipation of an awesome season I just bought 2 tickets front row section 201 for the Eagles and Seahawks game Good-wife and I will be traveling from Seattle to enjoy the local hospitality and take in the game. Now to find a hotel.

    • Maggie

      Hey, neighbour.

      • DoctorRick

        Wazzup? Seattle neighbor or Section 201 neighbor?

    • myeaglescantwin

      tickets on sale now??

      u must know someone special

      • DoctorRick

        Ticketmaster.
        I probably overpaid but we’re making a mini vacation out of this and I wanted to lock them in.

        • myeaglescantwin

          I’m being serious though.
          tickets aren’t on sale for the Eagles yet (as far as i know).

          It’s actually a pretty big deal around here when that happens. I’ve actually had my department stop work to hop on the exchange for good games ahahah.

          i didn’t see any packages, do you have a link??

          • myeaglescantwin

            ohhh,
            stub hub.

            I guess the fraudulent fans are already boosting their season tickets.. Makes my stomach turn, the monopoly they have.