Draft Buzz: Manziel Rumor, Another Safety Visit

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With the draft 10 days away, here are some Eagles-related notes to share.

Let’s start with Peter King of The MMQB, who had a rumor/non-rumor about the Birds and Johnny Manziel:

There’s a rumor (apparently faulty) making the rounds about the Eagles moving up to try to get Johnny Manziel. I wouldn’t pass it along if the person who told me wasn’t smart and, to this point, reliable. But I just can’t see it, and I have someone who would know better than the rumor source telling me it absolutely won’t happen. Which seems smart to me, seeing that Nick Foles’ 27 touchdowns and two interceptions and 119.2 passer rating would be pretty damned foolish to throw out the window for Manziel. I just put it out there as an example of the kind of stuff that makes the rounds when so much of what happens at this time of year is designed to be a misdirection play. As Bills GM Doug Whaley said Friday, speaking to western New York reporters: “It’s finally one time where we can use you guys [reporters] to our advantage. There are things that you put out there to see if someone bites, and there are some things you put out there that are true. You have people read between the lines and you don’t want to show your hand. I’m sure everyone is doing the same thing.’’

My take? I would be surprised if the Eagles made a move up for Manziel. As we’ve gone over, they only have six picks, and by all accounts, this draft is loaded. There’s also the Nick Foles factor that King mentioned. Foles is signed through 2015, but is eligible to renegotiate after next season. The Eagles could add a QB at some point in the draft (especially if they’re re-thinking their evaluation of Matt Barkley a year in). But I wouldn’t expect them to trade up for one in the first round.




Kelly has made the point multiple times that you need two quality quarterbacks to be successful and you can never have too many. The Eagles' actions have backed up that notion as they brought Michael Vick back last offseason and drafted Barkley in the fourth round. This offseason, when Mark Sanchez was released by the Jets, they pounced.

Kelly recruited Manziel to Oregon. If he's there somehow at No. 22 (unlikely), things could get interesting. But I don't see a trade-up happening.

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Meanwhile, another draft visit to add to the list:

Johnson (6-2, 200) ran a 4.45 at the combine and played his college ball with Earl Wolff. You can see he has excellent measurables in a number of areas:

He has versatility too, having started five games at cornerback last season.

Johnson projects as a Day 3 pick, according to CBSSports.com.

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  • travis papa

    I’m 5’8″ on a good day and my hands are 9 3/8″ they are not particularly big this guys is 6″ taller and nearly an 1″ smaller hands. Baby hands I’ll call him probably low ints and high missed tackles.

    • JosephR2225

      How big are your hands on a bad day?

      • cliff henny

        maybe it depends on when measuring, like after swimming for awhile or on a really cold day

        • myeaglescantwin

          “it shrinks?”

          • ray jay

            “It just does..”

    • thriftyrocker

      if he had bigger hands he’d play WR

  • janvanflac

    I think this “interest” in Manziel is about maximizing the value of the 22nd pick for trading down, in case he falls.

    • Richard Colton

      here’s where you throw BPA out the window. It doesn’t apply to QB. If you need one, you take one until you have one. If you have a young one, you pass in round one. Always.

      • myeaglescantwin

        I think it’s hilarious how teams do that.

        The Ponder year, there was no one thought to be worthy of a 1st round selection outside of Cam,,,. 4 were drafted in rd-1. 3 of them are bums

  • Token

    I think its a ridiculous rumor.

    But if they did that I think that would just be it for me. Id just become a casual NFL fan. At least until a entire new regime is running this franchise.

    • JosephR2225

      I’m heading to the Colts. Join me.

    • Richard Colton

      I don’t know if I’d go that far, but the honeymoon would be over. I’d be in 100% show-me mode.

      • CSpangler

        Ddint they already show you with 10 wins and a division title in Yr1 ? Gotta love Eagle fans

        • anon

          Did you see the rest of the division last year? I loved winning games, i believe in what chip’s doing but he’s not without some questionable decisions. i think this year will be a much better test than last.

          • CSpangler

            So successful isnt enough? Now they have to run the “degree of difficulty” you have set up in your own mind? Bizarre. Sadly there are multiple posters whining about every little thing here

          • anon

            Skins went to the playoffs in 2012, coaching staff was gone after 2013. I’m surprised you’re ready to anoint a guy after one season especially given all the coaches that have failed after having a good first year. I don’t believe he’s a spurrier-type, I like what he’s done so far, but I can’t anoint the guy yet.

          • CSpangler

            Who said anoint? Those are your words not mine. I’m talking about you complaining about “questionable” decisions.

          • peteike

            dude its about if they brought in Manziel. Thats a giant if, a giant cluster if it were to happen. Theyd be ignoring tons of other spots and the list goes on. I wouldnt put any speculation of that “near impossible” move to be negative whining.

          • CSpangler

            I dont know what they’d do or if it would work out? But to get hysterical and become a “casual fan” like some have suggested is absurd. So many on here trying to micromanage as if they have a clue or have any idea what they are talking about.

          • peteike

            not really, its speculating on a message board is all. Nobody thinks they are a GM but can certainly question moves. I think if they drafted JM, it would bring up a ton of questions. And dammm right a ton of fans would be in casual fan mode. Finding Foles and then bringing another mobile QB in with his kind of ego, are you kidding. This town would lose its collective mind.

          • CSpangler

            Maybe because I dont live there anymore Im not close to the hysteria.

          • daveH

            I made this point also .. I got slapped down. almost got my feelings hurt/unitl my man Javi Echie spelled it out nicely for me.

        • Token

          I cant stand people that run around championing this franchise.

          Being a fan doesnt mean you have to be a moron.

    • Weapon Y

      That and the DeSean release combined would really test my confidence in the Eagles

    • CSpangler

      You complained when Reid and Banner ran the show. Now you gearing up to whine about Kelly and Roseman? Does the whining ever end?

      • daveH

        yes when we get a ring. last place in the nfc east in that department.

      • Token

        Theres so much to celebrate about this franchise isnt there? Lurie loves fans like you.

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        SEATTLE, NEW ORLEANS, INDIANAPOLIS, TAMPA-FREAKING-BAY! You know what they have in common? They were all miserable franchises who are now the proud owners of Vince Lombardi Trophies. While the Philadelphia Eagles still have NONE! That’s when the whining stops. Reid & Banner built 75% of an offense. The year Reid finally put aside his foolish belief that he could plug any schmuck in at WR what happened? Oh, that’s right, we almost won ths SB.(Despite Reid’s incompetence, and spygate) This is the type of organizational arrogance we are hoping to avoid in this new era.

    • peteike

      seriously, this city would lose its collective mind if he somehow drafted Manziel. The simple fact that it appears they have a good QB and would bring in a volatile “mobile” QB like him would just be pure craziness.

  • NCBiRDMann22

    What if this is the year Chip makes into his core rebuilding. Look at what Pete Carrol did in his first two years. Turned over something like 50+roster spots. correct me if i’m wrong on that. It is highly likely that he makes a significant move.

    • Javi Echie

      You absolutely right Pete’s recent success makes people forget that his first two years with the Seahawks both ended with 7-9 records. After those years of roster turnaround he finally had all HIS guys and got lucky with a third round stud in Russell Wilson and then went 11-5 then 13-3. So hmm this sounds like a very familiar blueprint, two year roster turnaround, didn’t draft but inherited a stud third round QB in Foles. In Chip We Trust!!

    • GMaddox

      Schneider also built the Seahawks. He was groomed as a talent guy in GB for almost 10 years. Our GM wrote contracts for Joe Banner until his promotion to GM. Not really the same experience, is it?

  • Amar

    After the DJax fiasco, I don’t believe any player on the team is untouchable.

    • oreofestar

      except Casey Matthews

      • Richard Colton

        do you mean untouchable by women? the hall of fame? both?

        • Amar

          I meant to be traded or cut, but I like the way you think.

  • cliff henny

    Have to battle Dallas for Johnny Football

    http://msn.foxsports.com/southwest/story/report-cowboys-will-figure-out-a-way-to-get-manziel-042814?cmpid=tsmtw:fscom:nflonfox
    sounds like agent is trying to tie him to any and every team.

  • Engwrite

    Maybe the rumor is meant as an Eagles advertisement: if you want Manziel, talk to us. Houston and Cleveland may be looking to grab a qb with their 2nd pick.

    • dnabrice

      I really hope that’s the case. Would love to trade back and get another couple of picks later in this draft. So many good players, there will be plenty of solid talent to grab in Round 3.

  • Tom W

    Love dontae Johnson …. Tall long athletic corner/safety hybrid we can groom and decide where we want him to play … Like him better as a safety … Kid tackles well and has good instincts … Played w earl Wolff so we may have a Keener perspective about him …. Great pick in the fifth round if he lasts.

  • daveH

    dump a great receiver and create necessity to trade up for one. wow way to create a problem. got a great young qb, drafted a young top prospect last year, let a popular athletic qb go to replace him with a younger but far less athletic player for same oney .. trade up for another one this year?? all top prospects are guys I either recruited or played against. still need a safety, need a DE .. damn year 2 of chip has me saying a lot of WTF to myself!!

    • George

      so does this comment

      • daveH

        ouch/ and 2 Vote UPs already

        • Javi Echie

          Eagles trading up for Manziel is pure b.s. speculation, they released desean and that didn’t CREATE and need to trade up they may just be really interested in Mike Evans and most likely would have been regardless is Mesean was on the team or not. Safety I agree should be addressed at some point in the draft. DE isn’t a necessity since we have two starters in place and Kruger coming back this year so DE depth would be nice but it isn’t a glaring need. Can’t say I understand all these “WTF” moments you are referencing.

          • daveH

            you addressed my paranoias very nicely. thank you. (the last one being that Chip gravitates heavily to players already he knows; it ‘seems’ that comment comes up a lot in the draft articles).
            serisously>>I appreciate your analysis very much! dave

          • Javi Echie

            not a problem, anything for fellow eagles brethren

    • PhillySean

      Your description of the QB situation is bizarre.

      • daveH

        typed it as fast as I could. id rather have foles/vick/barkley than foles/manziel/sanchez.

        • PhillySean

          than you’re upset about #1) a rumor and #2) the fact that Vick wanted to join a team where he could potentially start and that ain’t the eagles.

          • daveH

            don’t mind Vick wanting to start at all. but I felt the Birds could’ve kept him and the defacto swap for Sanchez in my lousy opinion is way way worse for us. not a fan of sanchez at all. in fact I think he is much of the same/similar crap as mesean

  • cliff henny

    guess press finally got to Kelly. only quote on twitter that’s mildly assuming…

    Eliot Shorr-Parks ‏@EliotShorrParks 32m

    #Eagles RT @MattLombardo975: Kelly: Am I worried he’s in WASH? Am I worried? No.

  • southy

    Worst smoke screen ever

  • Rick H

    I get what Sheil is doing and all the rest of the media. This push back of the draft for 2 weeks is a real pain. There are only so many things to write about. Next they will be forced into in depth stories about undrafted free agents. Let’s hope that Radio City doesn’t book another show that pushes the draft back like they did this year.
    I believe the protracted DEAD time has hurt the NFL.

  • anon

    As to the Giants, McCoy was unfazed by the offseason additions. “I’m
    not paying attention to the Giants,” he said. “What’ve they done?
    Signed some guys. Big deal.”

  • Shawn Williams

    If and I mean a big IF manizel is there at 22 and is the BPA on the board you have to draft him. I love what nick foles has done but with johnny football on chips team we would be down right scary to face. Imagine being a defense and you look in the back field and you see lesean mcoy, darren sproles and johnny football what do you do. I have said this before if they draft him I think he would sit for a season unless nick got hurt.

    • Kev_H

      I think Foles will be a great QB and I love how he plays. I think it’s unlikely anyone can beat him out. But they should still pick up good QBs where they can and if someone comes along and plays better it’s a win for the team.

      • Maggie

        Please not in the 1st round.

  • southy

    Martin Frank @MfranknflFollow
    #Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said “became clear at the end of yr” that wanted to move on from DeSean. “Needed to reconfigure WR position.”
    2:11 PM – 28 Apr 2014

    Goes on to say it had nothing to do with off the field stuff, it was purely a football decision.

    Don’t expect us to draft Cooks.

    • Shawn Williams

      Yeah it really seems Chip likes big WR’s. I really hope we don’t draft kelvin benjamin

      • anon

        probably means no cooks. also don’t think they wanted no. 1 wr being tiny no blocker.

    • anon

      finally we can stop talking about cooks…

  • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

    well if we do bring in manziel for some reason it will be good for the writers a brand new qb controversy to write about. yay!

  • Donny D from south Philly

    Trade foles and the #22 pick and to a top 3 pick and draft JOHNNY FOOTBALL!! this kid would be a stud under CHIP… he will win a super bowl before foles