Eagles Wake-Up Call: Five Thoughts On the Schedule

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The NFL released its 2014 schedule Wednesday night. Here’s how things shape up for the Eagles, along with five thoughts.

Week/Date
Opponent
Time/Channel
1 Sept. 7Eagles 34, Jaguars 171-0
2 Monday, Sept. 15Eagles 30, Colts 272-0
3 Sept. 21Eagles 37, Redskins 343-0
4 Sept. 2849ers 26, Eagles 213-1
5 Oct. 5Eagles 34, Rams 284-1
6 Oct. 12Eagles 27, Giants 05-1
7 BYE5-1
8 Oct. 26Cardinals 24, Eagles 205-2
9 Nov. 2Eagles 31, Texans 216-2
10 Monday, Nov. 10Eagles 45, Panthers 217-2
11 Nov. 16Packers 53, Eagles 207-3
12 Nov. 23Eagles 43, Titans 248-3
13 Thursday, Nov. 27Eagles 33, Cowboys 109-3
14 Dec. 7Seahawks 24, Eagles 149-4
15 Dec. 14Cowboys 38, Eagles 279-5
16 Saturday, Dec. 20@Redskins4:30 pm/CBS
17 Dec. 28@Giants1 pm/Fox



1. Two stretches stand out to me. The first is from Week 2 through Week 4. The Eagles go on the road to face Andrew Luck and the Colts in a Monday night matchup. They then return home for what guarantees to be a much-hyped battle against DeSean Jackson, Robert Griffin III and the Redskins. And finally, they go across the country to take on one of the best squads in the league in the 49ers in Week 4.

Last year, the Eagles started 1-3, but stuck together and ended up winning seven of their last eight. They'll be tested early on again in 2014.

The other stretch is Week 8 through Week 10. Chip Kelly better have something special cooked up for that period. The Cardinals (Week 8) and Panthers (Week 10) finished second and third, respectively, in defense last year according to Football Outsiders' rankings. The Texans (Week 9), meanwhile, could be featuring the tandem of J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney. All three figure to be fascinating matchups, especially if the Eagles' offense is clicking at that point in the season.

2. I know that when many of you look at the schedule, you try to figure out if the Eagles got hosed in any way. And this year, the answer is no. They only face one team coming off of a bye, and that's the Rams in Week 5. The Panthers play on Thursday night in Week 9 before facing the Eagles on Monday night in Week 10. So they'll have some extra rest. And in Week 14, the Cowboys play Thursday night before taking on the Eagles the following Sunday night.

But those seem like minor issues (you're still allowed to complain though if you want).

3. Nick Foles will get to square off against some of his fellow QBs from the 2012 draft class. He'll of course face Griffin twice, along with Luck and Russell Wilson.

It's amazing how much has already happened with that group. All four have already started playoff games for their respective squads. Foles won the starting job in his second season and put together one of the best statistical seasons in NFL history. Luck and the Colts won a playoff game last year. Griffin starts over with Jay Gruden in charge. And Wilson is a Super Bowl champ.

Foles obviously plays against the defense, not the opposing quarterbacks, but there will be some good measuring stick games for him in 2014.

4. I am not surprised that the Eagles have six nationally televised games. They have Monday nighters at the Colts (Week 2) and against the Panthers (Week 10). And they have Sunday nighters at home against the Giants (Week 6) and against the Cowboys (Week 15). The Birds travel to Dallas on Thanksgiving (Week 13) and are at Washington for a Saturday matchup in Week 16.

It's strange to label a head coach as the draw, but I think that sentiment applies here. People want to see what Kelly does with this offense. They want to see the placards on the sidelines, the tempo, etc. It doesn't hurt that the Eagles have arguably the most exciting back in the league in LeSean McCoy, but there are going to be plenty of eyeballs on Kelly in Year 2.

5. Some leftovers here... We at Birds 24/7 promise not to ask you whether you'll boo or cheer Jackson in the days leading up to that Week 3 matchup. We may, however, want to know how you plan on greeting Clifton Geathers. ... By the time you sit down for an early bite on Thanksgiving Day (Nov. 27), the Eagles will have only played two division games. Four of their final five games (including the last three) are against NFC East foes. Barring an extreme set of circumstances, the Eagles are likely going to be in position to determine their fate going into that stretch. It's a good sign that they won seven of eight in the second half of the season in 2012. ... I see five games where the Eagles will almost certainly be underdogs: at Indy, at San Fran, at Arizona, at Green Bay, vs. Seattle. The division games down the stretch are all toss-ups.

WHAT YOU MISSED

McManus offers some notes on the schedule.

T-Mac takes a look at five big CB prospects to consider.

Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix had an official visit with the Eagles.

Taking a closer look at Texas A&M WR Mike Evans. Could the Birds trade up for him?

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Zach Berman of The Inquirer pegs linebacker Najee Goode as an under-the-radar player who could help the Eagles in 2014:

The Eagles did not add Goode until after the preseason last season. Goode played 16 percent of the defensive snaps, including almost two full games during Mychal Kendricks’ absence. With Kendricks and DeMeco Ryans back, Goode does not have a spot in the Eagles’ lineup. Still, I put him on the list because the Eagles like his potential. An industrial engineering major at West Virginia, Goode quickly picked up the Eagles' defense and has nice speed for the position. The Eagles need depth at inside linebacker, and there will be spots open. I would expect Goode to remain on the team in 2014 and continue to earn the trust of the coaching staff. Ryans took 1,157 snaps last season, which is a major haul for any player at that position. If the Eagles play more of a rotation 2014, Goode can take more snaps.

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz on Kelly and the size factor:

The upcoming draft will give us another chance to see how Kelly factors size into his decisions. I don’t think he has made any bad picks or signings due to size so far. That could change. If he passes on Marqise Lee, Odell Beckham or Brandin Cooks for Kelvin Benjamin, I’ll go nuts. If Kelly passes on Jeremiah Attaochu or Marcus Smith for Trent Murphy, I’ll personally lead the attack on the NovaCare Complex. Pitchforks, pudding and PBR!!!

COMING UP

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  • scrapplejoe

    Thanksgiving day is pure football perfection. All three games that day are great matchups and rivalry games.

    • anon

      The scheduling team in the NFL does a great job.

      • Uncle Wonder

        I’m pretty sure the scheduling team is nothing more than a computer algorithm.

    • John E. Zang

      Why does it always have to be in that ridiculous circus of a stadium though? Tired of the league desperately trying to promote the cowboys. Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder need to be sent into orbit together. They can take Trump too.

      • Brandon Boykin, LOL

        Nooooo! They must stay!! FOREVER!!!

      • GW.Fisher

        As long as they keep running their respective franchises…

      • http://comic-book-nerd.blogspot.com/ SJ Mitchell

        Careful, Trump may be buying the Bills.

      • Warhound

        I’m not a fan of any Thursday games and esp the Lions and ‘Boys EVERY Thnksgvn’ so I’m not agreeing with the league but – The Lions and the ‘Boys first scheduled games on Thanksgiving Day decades ago. It’s become traditionally theirs. Some argue that they took the risk and deserve the reward – I think that’s BS.

        • aub32

          Like it or not the Cowboys are still the biggest draw. I agree they should continue to be on thanksgiving. However, I could go without seeing the Lions, especially when we might see Suh stomping on a players face on the holiday meant to bring people together.

  • SvelteGodzilla

    Fingers crossed Foles gets a shot at one more 2012 QB too – the opportunity is technically there.

    • Andy124

      He’ll get him in the preseason.

    • GregS

      Weeden or Cousins? both would be nice

  • ICDogg

    You missed SNF in week 6 vs the Giants, as one of the nationally televised games.

    • sdk152

      Fixed. Thanks! -SK

      • Eagles1018

        No mention of the 3 games in 11 days stretch for us. We go to Lambeau then play the Titans at home in a week then the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. That’s a lot of games in a short amount of time. And it’s later in the season where injuries could occur due to fatigue. Thoughts?

        • peteike

          Sure, sports science solves everything, didnt cha know

  • Neanderthal

    W L W L WW L WW L WW L W L W

  • JmRizzle

    First point: should be *monday* night against the colts.

  • Burberry Manning

    4 of last five vs division opponents with seattle tossed in between hope we’re in a good position by then

  • Adam G

    I would guess that the Eagles Colts line will be a pickem. Would certainly not say they are “almost definitely” going to be underdogs in that game. Vegas has not liked the Colts for a long time.

    • Andy124

      Agreed on both.

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Really don’t see us dogging to Indy. Andy Luck is a very good young QB, but that offense is loaded with underachievers. The other 4 games I have down as our only losses tho. Maybe there’s a game we don’t show up for that I’m not seeing right now, but I generally think this team will be focused, prepared, and in phenomenal condition. That alone is enough to defeat half the league, not to mention our talent.

    • aub32

      After seeing how Luck beat the Chiefs, I am not overlooking the Colts. That guy has the skillset to be one of the NFL greats. If he had our O line……Aww man

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        He’s a beast no doubt. Apparently they will shift to a more pass oriented offense this year, since in 2013 they went run first and wound up trailing way too many games. Leaning Luck to lead them back which he did often. This year the plan is to let the kid sling it early and often. Nicks could be a huge addition if healthy. But I stick to the underachiever label. Fleener, Hilton, T-Rich, Nicks, that’s a nice core. If they show up.

  • daggolden

    The Cowboys-Eagles prime-time games are tired and past there primes. The Giants game is also played out. Washington should of been a prime time game along with a team like GB.

    • anon

      The last cowboys – eagles game was a nail biter.

    • Stuart Philp

      The eagles cowboys and giants are three of the biggest franchises in the NFL, those games are basically guaranteed ratings success.

    • aub32

      The Cowboys beat us in game 1 last year and the second game came down to the wire, despite the fact Kyle Orton was the starting QB.

  • UKEagle99

    Four 01:30am kickoffs! Ugh, pass me my holiday form, I need to book some days off!

    • myeaglescantwin

      wait what?

      • UKEagle99

        8:30pm Kickoff on the East Coast is 01:30am for me here in the UK. I don’t understand why Howard Katz doesn’t take my personal needs in to account :p

        • myeaglescantwin

          That is quite ridiculous.

          All this talk of them trying to improve the UK market too..
          We should write them a letter. A nasty letter, tons of capslock.

  • NickS1

    I like this schedule. Definitely a nice barometer for us in year 2. I like having SF early on, so even if Bowman is back, he’s not 100% (no matter what he says). Not happy we’re at the Packers in mid-November for the second straight year, but whatever. If we can go 5-1 in division, 3-1 in AFCS, 2-2 NFCW and 1-1 against GB and CAR, that’s 11 wins. The loss in the AFCS would be either IND or a TEN surprise, ARZ and SEA in the NFCW, and I don’t think we win in GB two years in a row, unless our D is somehow a top 15 unit this year.

    • cliff henny

      also, other 3 nfc east teams play same schedule, basically. 4-1 or 5-0 in division , and they’re resting starters week 17.

      • NickS1

        Yup, and you know the Rams are probably going to sneak two wins against WSH/DAL/NYG. Very possible one or two NFCE teams goes 0-4 in NFCW.

    • JosephR2225

      I expect Rodgers to fake another “injury” this year so he doesn’t get shown up by Foles.

      • NickS1

        I’d love to see Foles go 5-0 v SEA/SF/IND/WSHx2. As an Eagles fan, that’s a given. As someone who’s been leading the Foles train, I almost need that to happen for validation of my position.

        • Andy124

          19-0

          • NickS1

            20-0. Chip gets a playoff bye and calls “The Rog” to tell him to switch it up because “We’re from Philly and we phight.”

          • Andy124

            Good ol’ Chip, so unconventional.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            You guys are killin’ me here…lol

    • Eagles1018

      San Fran early is not a gimme with Bowman out. Bowman and potentially Aldrugs Smith would be nice. Their secondary is meh also. But the o line and the skill players on offense will still be playing. And last time I checked Kaepernick doesn’t suck

      • NickS1

        I never said they were a gimme, but I think we can take them on the road early on in the season with or without Bowman. Losing him and Smith makes them very beatable, at least until we see what their backups look like. Rapernick may not suck, but he’s not great either. He’s going to make a lot of money, and a good bit of it is because their D has been so nasty.

        • aub32

          I am pretty sure some of that money has to do with his performances in the post season. The guy destroyed the Pack twice and had a mean comeback against the Falcons. He brought back the 49ers to come very close to winning the SB, and he had a heck of a lot more success against SEA than Peyton Manning and the greatest offense in the history of the game. If Cutler, Stafford, and Matt Ryan got paid, I don’t see how anyone can argue that Kaep doesn’t deserve big money.

          • NickS1

            Some + a good bit = Huge payday. I’m not saying he’s an awful quarterback, but he’s got some work to do as a passer, and I, personally, don’t think he’s worth 18+mil/season.

          • aub32

            So does Foles, Ryan, Dalton, Romo, Eli, and every other QB not named Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. I just find it silly when fans attribute his success solely to the defense.

          • NickS1

            Why? The dude has made some nice plays, but he might be the most inconsistent QB that you just mentioned, aside from Dalton. You think he’s in any of the situations you described above without a top 5 D?

          • aub32

            He played very well in year 2 in relief of Smith. I don’t think they beat ATL without him, and no way Smith could have embarrassed GB like that. Though a lot of that was with his legs. Last year he didn’t have much help. Boldin is slow and not a #1 guy. Crabtree was hurt much of the season. Davis was in and out of games. I personally would rank him ahead of Foles. Foles had better stats last year but faced easier competition and is in a very different scheme. Kaep has also showed up in big games. That’s something Foles has yet to show imo.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, I wouldn’t rank him ahead of Foles, but I agree that he has some stones and has shown up for big games. Agree to disagree, but I just don’t view Kaep as a 20mil/yr QB. He’ll probably get it, though.

          • aub32

            I see him as a guy who is worth the money because guys that have accomplished much less have received that type of money. Kaep, imo, is worth more than Romo, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Vick, and Stafford. All of those guys got huge contracts. So I have a hard time understanding why Kaep wouldn’t be worth 18-20M per is those guys were.

          • NickS1

            Well, using that measurement, I’d tend to agree. That said, I don’t think those guys are worth their paychecks and I don’t think anyone should get paid more than Brady/P Manning at the QB position. But, this is a whole other discussion. Kaep will get it, I just struggle finding it’s total justification. That’s all.

          • peteike

            he looked better than Manning against the Sea but thats not saying much since they face them 2x a season. They could have won that game while Broncos were just lost. The reason I lost my big bet, figured if niners could move ball against them the best O in the league would fair better, oops

  • cliff henny

    when I become nfl commissioner, sunday 1pm games are going bye-bye. sorry college, but those games are being switched to Saturday 8pm. might lose some eyeballs down here in SEC country, but who cares, other 90% of nation would be glued to TV.

    • NickS1

      I’d think a lot of that is based on when TV deals expire and if the NFL decides to try to capitalize.

      • cliff henny

        see who buys rights. college football and ESPN/ABC have a lot of money invested in sat night games. often best games of the week are 4pm CBS SEC games. so many on, by 8pm sat night, it’s overload.

    • Andy124

      boooooo!!!!!!
      I LOVE Sunday 1pm games.

      • cliff henny

        4-30 sunday is perfect for me. get to enjoy the day, grab couple beers b4 kickoff, drink thru game slow down at 8pm so wont be hugely hungover next day.

  • knighn

    Seven thoughts on the schedule:
    1) E
    2) A
    3) G
    4) L
    5) E
    6) S
    7) EAGLES!!!!!!!

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  • Jim Blizzard

    I love that they play the Money night before Veterans Day and Sunday night of Columbus Day Weekend. That is two primetime games that ideal for setting up the big screen and projector in the back yard as a lot of people have off the next day.

  • Kev_H

    I don’t see what the big deal is with a game against the pitiful Redskins. It’s a division game but it’s not like the revenge of Donovan McNabb- which was a lame, forced story itself.

    • Uncle Wonder

      It is a division rivalry game…and DJax defected there…and last year this time we were the ‘pitiful Eagles’, who were coming off a 4-12 season. Let’s not get too cocky.

      • aub32

        Exactly. Fans have forgotten that WAS were the division champs this time last year. Their offense appears stacked too. They have a dynamic QB, 2 WRs that put up top 10 stats last year, a RB that averages 1400+ yards a season, and a young TE that has shown as much or more ability than our Ertz. I would not be so quick to dismiss them as pitiful.

        • Eagles1018

          Agree. And their slot WR is nothing to sneeze at either. Stacked indeed

        • NickS1

          You sure you didn’t become a Washington fan?

          • aub32

            So because I think SEA has the best D in the league, would that make me a Hawks fan? I’m just pointing out facts that many fans dismiss because of this notion that the Skins have always been awful, and we are an NFC powerhouse.

          • Andy124

            Go back to Seattle you traitor!

          • NickS1

            It’s easy to dismiss the one division championship in many years. In fact, until they prove anything more than a one hit wonder, I, and likely many others, are going to continue to dismiss it. I think the most legitimate concern is that RG3 actually improves this offseason, and even still, I’m not too worried because it’s really easy to score points on them.

          • aub32

            So they get a few new pieces, a new coach, and their QB is now going to be in his 2nd year removed from an injury he returned to soon from, but they are “The same old Skins?” I don’t get that logic. That’s like saying that the 2013 Eagles were going to suck and lead the league in turnovers once again. Teams have the potential to change so drastically from one year to the next, especially if they have found an answer at QB.

          • NickS1

            I get your point, but it’s the Redskins with Snyder as owner. Until they prove otherwise, they will always be a laughing stock, even with one division championship.

          • aub32

            My argument is that very few teams succeed without a QB, no matter the owner or coach. I take the Skins seriously because I take RG3 seriously. DeSean, Garcon, Reed & Co. wouldn’t scare me nearly as much if they were still rolling with John Beck or Rex Grossman.

          • NickS1

            I wish you could have gotten to this point a long time ago. I can agree with this. I respectfully disagree with a lot of other points. Their division championship from two years ago is meaningless today. Their two top 10 receivers sound great, but one has the stats because he played from behind early and often last season, and the other put his best stats as a receiver by far in an entirely different offense with an entirely different QB situation. The context makes that sound a lot less scary, but they are talented, no doubt. And the RB thrived in a Shanahan ZB scheme, which many have done, and most of those many have done nothing else outside of that scheme. I hate saying it, but I like our D, still, until proven otherwise.

          • peteike

            I agree their offense can def be good this season, Djax opens up middle for Pierre who already was a beast as a possesion rec. Running gm could get going and their oline is decent. Their D though doesnt scare me and thats what I think we should look at in terms of schedules. The teams with good D are the tough games because more than likely the D remains kind of steady. Sea, Niners, Cards, thats it really with some middle of the road teams elsewhere. From there its a crapshoot to guess. Id say the GB offense can be feared as an opposite approach.

          • aub32

            What about the Panthers and Texans D? I also wouldn’t dismiss Luck and the Colts as an offense not to be feared.

          • peteike

            ya duh, definitely Panthers and Texans but Im thinking there bad offense evens it out a tad. Texans esp with a rookie QB most likely and Cam losing all his playmakers. Colts for sure esp at the dome, will be a tough one but I also think teams fear Eagles now esp trying to slow down our offense. Colts were so back n forth last season but I think they improved in offseason and get Wayne back

        • Adam G

          Except their division champ was an outlier. You think maybe they just stink and got lucky one year? Certainly looks that way vs your argument. Finished last in NFC east 5 out of last 6 years. You get your Desean skins jersey yet?

          • aub32

            Or they actually found a QB? The Skins sucked because their QBs have sucked (Sorry McNabb). Many have written off RG3 already. That is a big mistake imo. The guy rushed back too soon from a major knee surgery. Even Brady struggled after coming off a major knee injury, and he didn’t suffer his injury in the postseason. Also, the coaching was a mess in WAS. WAS may never put it together, but I won’t rely on that to be their downfall. The offense has the best collective group of skill players in the division. They have the best (JPP withstanding) pass rusher in the division. If Gruden can sure up that O line, then watch out.

          • Andy124

            Took Palmer like 3 years to start playing anywhere near his former self.

          • aub32

            Palmer never had the ceiling that I think RG3 has. I’m not evening referring to him as a runner. I think RG3 can be a very efficient passer in this league with an arm to take advantage of big plays, that say someone like Dalton or Schaub often miss.

          • Adam G

            Except he was a higher rated prospect coming out of college than RG3. You really are stretching.

          • aub32

            Was he? I don’t remember exactly what was said about Palmer coming out of college. However, I do know of the hype surrounding Griffin. The guy had just won the Heisman and would have been the #1 overall pick if not for Luck.

          • Andy124

            To clarify my point, I wasn’t trying to say that it will take Bob 3 years to recover, but that it’s not safe to assume every player is 100% after 9 months the way APAD was. I’m in the ‘not-writing-off-Bob’ camp. I’m also in the ‘not-scared-of-Bob’ camp.

            Oddly enough, they’re not mutually exclusive memberships.

          • Adam G

            And how is their 22nd ranked(DVOA) D any better from last year? Their offense was ranked 23rd. So just with the addition of Desean and RGMe’s miraculous recovery, their offense goes from bad to great? Makes perfect sense to me. You are making very conservative assumptions.

          • aub32

            Since when is it farfetched to believe that a player will look better in year 2 removed from an ACL injury than in year 1? DeSean has been a 1000+ yard guy next to Mac and Coop. Now he’s grouped with Garcon > Mac and Roberts. Eagles fans, I’m not sure about you, love to project Ertz to be a stud TE. Though Reed outperformed him. Their RB, though not McCoy, has had seasons of 1600+ and 1200+ yards. They need to fix the O line, but everything else is there. The defense added some pieces, but it’s not fixed. Their front 7 is on par with ours. I do like our secondary much more, but I know think we have a guy that can stick with DJax after seeing every one of our DBs get humiliated by him in practice. Giving too much attention to DJax opens up things for Garcon, Roberts, Reed, Morris, and even RG3.

          • Adam G

            I’m talking specifics. What did they do to improve their D from last year and their O line? They played really poorly last year all around on both sides of the ball. Most likely they improve but not nearly as much as you are projecting, unless Gruden is a genius, which he certainly has not proven he is in the years of coaching the Bengals offense. For them to be as good as you think RG3 will have to go back to basically what he was his rookie year, but running the ball was so important for his game that year. Lastly, they would need to greatly improve their special teams which were historically bad. Gruden is not a college coach with new ideas, his offense in Cinc was basically average.

          • aub32

            His QB in Cincy was average. Griffin can do a lot more than Dalton, and I am not referring to his legs. RG3 can take advantage of the entire field with his arm. I mentioned their O line is a problem. They do have a pro bowl LT, and the draft is deep with linemen. They did add Hatcher, who was a monster last year. Also, Clark, though maybe not the best safety, will provide some leadership they lacked in their secondary. I am also not sleeping on Phillip Thomas, who looked pretty good before going down with an injury. Also, keep in mind I do not think WAS has any chance of beating us with their defense. I would take our offense over their defense. On the flip side, I would take their offense over our defense despite their O line issues. We don’t really have pass rushers that I think will exploit their O line.

          • Adam G

            But isn’t his job to coach up the QB? Having an average offense with a slightly above average QB and an all world wide receiver is nothing to be proud of. Your whole argument relies on RG3 going back to his rookie year, where he relied on his legs A TON. There is not much evidence to prove that he’s going to become this world beater pocket QB. He was really bad last year and to just completely write that off is shortsighted.

          • aub32

            I am not writing off last year, but a torn ACL does not only limit your ability to run. Brady struggled coming back from a leg injury. You need trust in your knees to plant, set, and deliver the ball. RG3 was a very good passer in 2012. He only had 5 INTs to his 20 TDs for over 3000 yards. Is that what Foles did? No, but it’s a different system. He also had a 65% completion percentage. I will admit that in order for WAS to be as dangerous as I think that all of it depends on RG3. I just think that it makes more sense that he will look like the player we saw in 2012 since he’s not coming off of a major knee injury with less than a year to recover.

          • Adam G

            Yes, but he also rushed for 815 yards and 7 tds. His legs definitely have something to do with his success passing. You really think he’s going to be running around like he did his rookie year?

          • aub32

            I hope not for his sake. He doesn’t need to run for his legs to open things up. Look at Kaep vs GB last year in week 1. They were so afraid of his ability to run that he put up 400+ yds through the air. RG3 just needs to show that he can run. Teams stopped fearing him as a runner last year. They then tightened down on other players and prevented some of the open looks RG3 saw his rookie season. If RG3 makes a couple plays with his legs, then teams will have to respect his ability to run. That will open some things up. Add to the fact he has much better receiving talent to work with than his rookie season, and I don’t really get why you think he will look more like 2013 RG3 than 2012 RG3.

          • Adam G

            I think he will be in between, not more like 2013. I’m saying your prediction depends on him being exactly like he was in 2012 which I just don’t see happening. Call me a skeptic, but I just don’t think he’s as good as you think he is and that’s where we will disagree. We will see soon enough though. Vegas odds have them as the 24th most likely team to win the Super Bowl, so I think you are going against the grain a little bit.

          • aub32

            What were the odds of the 2011 Giants winning the SB? I think where we disagree is that I don’t think he has to be as good as he was in 2012. The 2012 Skins were not as talented offensively as they are now. RG3 was team’s first, second, and third focus in 2012. Garcon was a good, not great WR across from JAG P Morgan. Moss was the #3. Now Moss is where he belongs as the #4 guy. Morgan has been upgraded big time with the addition of DJax. Morris is in his prime. Reed is as poised to break out as Ertz. So my point is that RG3 doesn’t need to do it all himself. Just how Foles was helped by the skill players around him, RG3 will experience the same thing.

          • Adam G

            They were 13th most likely according to vegas. Pretty big difference.You can put your money where your mouth is, the skins O/U is only 7.

          • aub32

            I would definitely take the over. The Cowboys have so little talent now. They still face the Jags and Titans. Minnesota needs a QB. They can at least split if not sweep the Giants. I don’t like the Rams chances, but I will have to see who they draft first.

          • NickS1

            I think the thing your missing, which is what would cause me the most concern, is his ability to develop as a passer now that he has offseason to work on development and not rehabbing a torn ACL.

          • aub32

            I did not miss that, though I did not express that explicitly. I agree he has work to do as a passer, but he’s shown plenty of ability in that regard already.

          • NickS1

            I was speaking to explicitly expressed items in this convo haha. I don’t think he’s shown plenty in that regard. I think he’s a bit of a one read guy, mainly by design of the system he played in with the Shanahans. Just like most QBs in the league, he’s got a lot of work to do in the passing game. Not a knock on him, really, he’s young and suffered a major injury. I hope he doesn’t develop, but I think he will. Seems like quite the hard worker. Not like Foles, but enough to improve :)

          • aub32

            Pretty sure you were joking about with your last sentence because after the work he put in to be on the field for week 1 after tearing his ACL in January, I have no doubt the kid works hard. If he weren’t in our division, I would definitely be rooting for his development. I root for it a little now. How great would it be for Foles and RG3 to become 2 of the best QBs in the league for the next decade? (Foles being the better of the 2 of course)

          • Andy124

            Not as great as Foles being great and Washington being stuck without a QB again.

          • aub32

            I’m not sure how appealing the idea of being the best team in a sorry division is to me. I look at the Pats and year after year their stranglehold on the AFCE. That’s good, but then they are left untested in the playoffs. Then I look at the Hawks who had to fight and had their toughest opponent in their own division. I think it makes the SB ever sweeter when you know you beat your division rival to get there.

          • Andy124

            Crushing our opponents, seeing them driven before us and hearing the lamentations of their women is plenty appealing to me.

          • NickS1

            I was semi-joking. They both work hard, obviously. Quantifying it is quite the difficult task. It’s definitely a testament that he came back to play, but you have to question his smarts because he clearly wasn’t ready.
            While having the two best QBs in the game be in the division would make for a nice story later in life, I’m a huge fan of the path of least resistance in getting to the playoffs. I saw your post below, and I respectfully disagree about the Pats being untested. They play some tough games each year by virtue of the NFL scheduling making sure they get some good prime time matchups. I tend to think that they over-achieve a little bit because of excellent coaching making up for talent. Just a my perception, certainly haven’t explored it enough to back it up with anything.

          • Maggie

            To add to your argument, isn’t the general thinking that there should be considerable improvement by the 3rd year for quarterbacks?

          • Adam G

            So by that general thinking, Foles will become Brady? I think that’s not really a decent rule of thumb

          • Maggie

            Don’t know. I’ve heard it more than once from coaches. And, I don’t want Foles to become Brady. Tommy hasn’t won anything that matters in 10 years. He also comes across as thinking he is entitled. Foles should be Foles. Well except for speeding up his reads, and of course, he is also going into his 3rd year

          • Joe from Easton

            A rocket arm does not equal showing ability as a passer. To me a passer is someone who distributes the ball efficiently and accurately. Michael Vick was no passer and RGIII hasn’t shown a propensity to be one yet. They are “throwers” if you will.

          • aub32

            3200 yards, 20TDs, 5 INTs, and 65% completion percentage sounds more like a passer than a thrower to me. Maybe you can help me understand the difference because I am not seeing your point.

          • Joe from Easton

            Watch film and you’ll see it. He’s a one read quarterback. I’m not going to further explain it because in reading your other posts it’s clear that you and I just have a different definition of what makes a quarterback. You mentioned that all he has to do is make a few plays with his legs and that will open up the defense for him to throw again. A top 5 QB doesn’t need to rely on a tertiary type of play to open up their passing game. They just find the hole in the defense and exploit it. Then when it gets covered, another hole opens. That requires more than one read.

          • aub32

            The last 3 SBs were won by QBs not in the top 5. I never said RG3 was a top 5 QB. So I don’t get where that’s coming from? I think he’s a good but not great QB. I think he’s a good but not great passer. I have made that point in several of my posts. He has the arm talent, and he is accurate. As Nick pointed out, this will be his first offseason to focus on developing as a passer versus rehabbing. I just don’t see how you classify him as simply a “thrower”. I find it crazy how some QBs are knocked because they take advantage of their athletic ability. Do you think if Peyton Manning were an Olympic class runner that he would not use the threat of running to open up holes in the defense? He doesn’t do it because he can’t. That’s not the same as saying he doesn’t do it because it’s beneath him. Steve Young was certainly a passer. Yet his ability to run helped open things up. Do you watch Rodgers? Now both these guys are better passers than RG3 is now, but I hope you see my point. I am not saying RG3 has arrived. I am saying I don’t think anyone who puts up the passing numbers he produced in his rookie season should be categorized as a “thrower”. Nor do I understand how putting those numbers can be seen as not showing the ability to become one of the better passers in this league.

          • NickS1

            And certainly helped by freakish receivers, most of whom were over 6’2″.

      • Jim

        Eagles will easily beat the awful 3-13 Redskins in Philly.
        Redskins had one of the worst defenses in NFL….and now their best defensive player London Fletcher retired. Also DeSean catch 3 passes in each of the last two games last season…BIG DEAL.

        EAGLES…40….REDSKINS 13

        • aub32

          The Eagles were just 4-12. Fletcher was not their best defender last year. If you think that offense isn’t something to be concerned about, then I don’t know what game you are watching.

        • MAC

          Look I really hope that you are right bc I am a die hard Birds fan. However to think the Redskins are automatically as bad as last year is short sighted.
          Griffin will be much better than last year bc knee now a year later. Garcon, Djax, J. Reed (TE), and Alfred Morris is a very good group. Also in NFL things change quickly. 2 years ago Redskins were a playoff team and looked to be in control of division for years to come.
          Trust me I hope your correct but with the schedule being much tougher. I am mostly saying bc defenses we will face, Green Bay will have Rodgers this year, Texans are a talented team who fell apart last year but will be much better, and no matter how much I love and trust Foles and Kelly teams will know there weaknesses much better with a whole off season to adjust. I hope your right and I am just paranoid.

          • Adam G

            Really that much tougher? Eagles opponents win percentage last year was .453, this year .479 based on last years record. Would not go on to say the schedule is much tougher. Thats a fallacy.

          • Maggie

            There is also a possibility that the 49ers might slip a little this year. To offset, however, Arizona could be even tougher. And we should be glad to avoid Chicago. The Bears are probably going to be quite a bit better.

          • MAC

            I know your right by the #’s, but remember last year Redskins won 3 games and we played them 2 times so that really lowers percentage. We played Green Bay without Aaron Rodgers, and only defenses we played that were not bottom third basically were Arizona, Kansas City, Denver, and maybe Chicago. We have an a great offense so that was great. This year play all NFC west defenses which even Rams and Cardinals are lethal. Also if look at QB’s we faced last year the only ones that were playing well last season were Manning, Rivers, Romo, and Cutler. Stafford played well last year but snow storm made that neutral so Calvin and him no threat.
            This year got likes, of Luck, Rodgers, Kapernick, Cam Newton, Romo (regular season), healthy RG3, and Russell Wilson. Eli most likely will not throw 25int’s again also. Also Carolina, Seattle, and San Fran defenses are are all better than any we faced last year. Rams, Cardinals, and Texans defense (last year not normal with that talent) are also very good.
            Hope I am wrong trust me and a lot changes year to year, but if look at it and look at circumstances last year it is much harder in my opinion. I may be wrong, and hope that I am just being paranoid but win % is not indicitive of why I think it’s much harder.

          • Adam G

            Numbers are numbers. This year’s schedule just isn’t that difficult. You can shoehorn whatever you want into your argument but their schedule is maybe slightly tougher even considering playing so many teams last year coming off byes. And I just went through with the Vegas over unders and it comes out to .503 for expected win % of opponents.

    • jim

      EAGLES 37….REDSKINS….17

      No way the 3-13 Redskins come into Philly and beat the Eagles….

      • Andy124

        jim…. 35?

        • SSINTENSE

          4 TD’s 3 FG’s

          • Andy124

            Wasn’t referring to his score, but rather his screen name. I’ve seen some posts from a guy named jim35. I was just wondering if he just dropped the ’35’ for a couple posts.

          • Maggie

            He’s still around on philly.com, just not quite as intense. Guess the object of his hatred is gone, so he’ll have to see a game or 2 in order to pick a new one.

        • EaglefaninAZ

          lol…

  • Andy124

    “I don’t start on the outside.. My stats are probably what confused u though. I understand.”

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    • G_WallyHunter

      A quote from Boyking in response to Walter Thurmond’s comments stating that Boykin played on the outside, for those who are unaware of this gold

      • EaglefaninAZ

        That gold seems to get more precious as time goes on. Sounds like something Kelly might say to a reporter. lol

        • G_WallyHunter

          Hell ya lol, maybe the players are molding their actions and comments after their head coach, who masters the press so well.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            It’s the “I understand” at the end that slays me.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Hahaha yup, not to mention the perfect punctuation and spelling, a rare occurrence among social-media active football players…
            Really can’t wait to see what he does this year. Who else is hoping he maybe out-competes someone for the outside? He would really have to convincingly out-compete them… I dono.. with addition of Carroll it seems there are just too many outside guys for Boyking to actually crack the outside.. wouldn’t be very efficient use of resources right?

          • NickS1

            There’s an outside chance he gets to play outside……… Outside.

          • G_WallyHunter

            But what if he gets that chance in a dome?… He’ll have an outside chance to play outside inside? Too complicated here

          • NickS1

            That’s some outside the box thinking about playing outside while outside or outside while inside, all based on an outside chance that he wins the outside job, which would be outside.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            I see no downside.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            I can’t see why they couldn’t use him outside when we’re up against smaller receivers. On another note, I’ve had two “Eagles dreams” in the last month or so. In one, the Boy King wins the game with a pick six. Not sure on the opponent, but I think it was Washington. In the second, more disturbing dream, Kurt Coleman is being lauded as a future Hall of Famer. Yup. THAT disturbing.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ha hahaha that would be a hilarious dream

      • myeaglescantwin

        thank you. thats awesome.

    • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

      love it!

  • jabostick

    I like our sched. The position of the bye week is good, plus the mini-bye before the Seahawks game, and the extra day before the season finale.

    • peteike

      I do too, based on us all thinking it would be so brutal with NFC west, I dont mind how it shakes out at all. You always win some you dont expect to and vice versa.

    • Maggie

      I’ve heard 2 different ‘experts’ saying that the Eagles just might be favored over the Seahawks. Both neutral commentators who don’t personally care who wins.

      • dgirl57

        The Eagles are favored! They’ll have a 10 rest, home advantage and the biggest plus…..our game is sandwiched between 2 highly emotional games for the Seahawks….they play the 49ers the week before & after our game!! Fly Eagles Fly!!!

  • SSINTENSE

    This is an absolutely brutal schedule. @ Indy? @ SF? @GB?? Houston will be much improved and maybe Jacksonville will be better too.

    There are only a few games on this schedule that should be guaranteed wins.

    • jabostick

      I think I’d take those 3 away games to avoid Seattle at home.

    • borntosuffer

      Jacksonville? Really? When you start talking about a brutal schedule and then mention Jacksonville, then you just accepted that all games will be tough and everyone has a brutal schedule.

    • Adam G

      They are favored by 11 against Jax. I think your logic is flawed.

    • Maggie

      Take a look at some other schedules. This one is average. Everybody is playing division games in the last 4 or 5. Seattle potentially has the toughest schedule of all.

      • Andy124

        But they don’t have to play against the Seahawks.

    • MAC

      I was with you saying it’sharder until you threw out Jacksonville being part of reason and being “much improved”. I like Gus Bradley, also but they are as close to a guaranteed win as you get in the NFL.

    • SSINTENSE

      The NFL is always hindsight. I doubt Jacksonville can possibly be as bad as they were last year. I think the Eagles should win this one but Jacksonville will be playing with a chip on their shoulders.

  • jabostick

    Just took a quick look at the rest of the NFC East schedules… NY has a stretch in the middle: PHI, DAL, (bye), IND, SEA, SF. Yikes…

  • mtn_green

    2012 QBs uber alles.
    2012 QBs are taking over.

    • aub32

      You think the Cowboys picked up Weedon hoping he might have some latent 2012 magic stored up somewhere?

  • Glenn

    This schedule is pretty brutal. The Eagles will be underdogs in 6 of the first 13 games, with one, Carolina at home, being close to a push. The Eagles could easily start the season 6-7. It doesn’t help that we play Dallas on the Thanksgiving game, as I think that has always been a huge advantage for them. I also don’t like we play Dallas at home after the Cowboys have more time off.

    • peteike

      whatever that means, last season everyone penciled in Atl and Texans as tough games and Philly and KC as easy games. Didnt turn out that way, with the parity its a guessing game

      • Glenn

        I agree that it is largely a guessing game. I’m still not a fan with how we have to play Dallas though, in terms of timing. At Green Bay, Arizona, San Fran, and home at Seattle will definitely be tough to win any one of those.

        • peteike

          ya for sure. I didnt mean “whatever that means” as a slight, just that the schedule difficulty is bit of an anomaly with predictions.

        • peteike

          oh and of course Im late to the game on this thread, Im sure what I said was already stated a bunch below. Dallas is a hot mess on D but they do seem to have our number or at least slow us down. GB offense worries me, Az, SF, Sea Defenses more so and some winnable tough games to add to the mix. Really never an easy path any season so I try not to get caught up in the schedule game but its so boring this time of year, what to do. This draft needs to happen yesterday, whens the NBA draft haha

          • Glenn

            I am not a fan of the May draft either.

    • Jeff

      Actually the schedule is just average, Eagles play only 6 teams that had winning record.
      Eagles can be 5-1 after their first 6 games.

      • Glenn

        They will more likely be 4-2 after their first six games. It will be pretty difficult after that. They will be underdogs in at least four games.

        • Jeff

          Even if 4-2 , and then they are underdogs in 4 games……that makes them 10-6 for the season.

          • Glenn

            Agreed! But that means they sweep the Giants and Redskins.

        • botto

          easily 2-4 or 1-5 also

          • Adam G

            Gotta love the trolls. Considering they are 11 point faves over JAX going to say 1-5 is highly highly unlikely.

          • botto

            that’s the one win.
            they could easily lose to indy, and the rest, no quesiton.

          • Adam G

            IDK if you took math in middle school, but assuming they beat JAX they would have about a 2% chance of losing all 5 of those other games. You’re a fool

          • botto

            whats math got to do with winning a football game.
            they could be 3-3 yes. if they beat the giants and skins.
            but they will not beat the niners or the rams or the colts.
            so it could easily go bad with a a bad game agianst the skins or giants. or both is possible. so best case is 3-3.
            worst case is 1-5.
            the only math that will matter is who has mor epoints not percentages of possiblities.
            personally i hope they are 6-0. or 5-1 or 4-2 would be very nice.
            its goign to be a tough road

      • botto

        or 1-5 pretty easily

      • SSINTENSE

        It’s going to be very difficult beating Indy and SF on the road. The Eagles are going to have to overcome some tough difficulties to win this division because I have a feeling the Giants are quietly rebounding this year.

  • peteike

    Cards, Texans, Panthers, Packers is the tough stretch to me. I dont mind the div games at the end with Sea mixed in. I guess the thinking there is the rest of div makes some strides and as is usual for div games you split a lot so understandable. Loving that they play on thanksgiving

  • botto

    7-9 book it

    • peteike

      10-6 read about it. Have some faith or are you a sad MV fan that secretly hopes Foles fails. Or a CK hater, or other nfc east team. At least come clean

      • botto

        hahah no i am a huge Foles fan and love Ck of course. i am excited but i go into every eagles game assuming they will lose. you know what being a fan of this team your whole life does to a man…. it aint easy.
        but last year was so fun that im nervous about a let down. thats all. but honestly i think the birds will always lose and then am pleasantly surprised when tehy pull it off.
        that Dallas game last year was the best ever.

        • peteike

          ok I get it, Im same way, its the Philly in us, just the way tis

    • peteike

      ok my bad you arent trolling, ignore my other comment. I guess its fair to assume a tougher season this coming year. I guess I dont get not being excited and expecting a bad outcome, Im loving where this team is going.

      • botto

        yeah screw it im going to be posistive this year, it’s by far the most exciting the eagles have been in a long time if not ever. if we can’t beat good teams in the season why woudl win do better in the playoffs.
        10-6 taking the nfc east and if we can win one playoff game we might go on a roll. CHip Kelly will open up the iffense even more and Foles shoudl do really well.
        i still want us to get Cooks in the draft. he seems tough and really good.