What They’re Saying About the Eagles

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Here’s a roundup of what the national media are saying about the Eagles this week.

ESPN.com’s Jeffri Chadiha goes after Chip Kelly for the way he handled the DeSean Jackson situation. Here are a couple snippets:

Someday we will hear Philadelphia Eagles head coach Chip Kelly explain the thought process that went into the release of Pro Bowl wide receiver DeSean Jackson a couple weeks ago. Until then, it’s best to assume Kelly’s ego had as much to do with this as Jackson’s alleged misbehavior.




This is the situation that Kelly created for himself and it's doubtful he's sweating it right now. He's so arrogant that he's felt no need to talk publicly about Jackson's release. He also has enough leverage from last year's success that he might feel his decisions need no defense. This is another by-product of leading a collegiate powerhouse. The best coaches always feel an immense sense of control over their environments.

On the other end of the spectrum, Dave Tuley of ESPN.com thinks the Eagles (at 25 to 1) might be worth a flier to win the Super Bowl:

Yes, they lost Jackson, but as great as he was in Chip Kelly's system (and he was a big part of my fantasy team's success last season, so I watched him a lot), it's clear that Nick Foles is going to spread the ball around. They re-signed Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper, and I'm sure they'll find other receivers and put up similar overall numbers again this year. They should be right in the hunt and again appear a cut above their division rivals.

Chris Burke of SI.com suggests trade scenarios for each team:

Should consider trading up for: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix or Calvin Pryor.

The thought of Philadelphia trading up for a safety or a wide receiver is not exactly a far-fetched one. The Eagles would like to add talent at both of those spots, so it may just be a matter of who catches Chip Kelly’s eye. The safety position does not offer the luxury of depth WR does — if Philadelphia wants a starter-caliber safety, it must strike in Round 1.

Malcolm Jenkins tells the NFL Network that Jackson joining the Redskins is a concern:

"Once he stayed in the division," Jenkins said, "that's when a little bit of concern comes in."

Playing for the Saints last season, Jenkins explained that Jackson was dangerous enough to dictate New Orleans' coverages in the January playoff matchup. The new Eagles safety admits Jackson could be more imposing with a chip on his shoulder this coming season.

Josh Norris of Rotoworld mocks Alabama inside linebacker C.J. Mosley to the Eagles at No. 22:

I know inside linebacker is not consistently mentioned as one of the Eagles’ needs, but Demeco Ryans can be cut after this season thanks to a large cap number and Mosley offers so much range. He would not come off the field.

Pat Kirwan of CBSSports.com suggests Oregon State wide receiver Brandin Cooks:

Cooks has traits like DeSean Jackson and he had 128 receptions last year. If the Eagles decide to hold off on a receiver and go defense, there are a number of solid defenders left on the board. The Eagles reportedly tried to trade for Dion Jordan and that should indicate their desire for defensive help.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle also has the Eagles selecting Cooks.

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  • Token

    Trading up for one of the safeties? Man, its amazing how many hacks get paid to write this stuff.

    • Clamdigger

      Right? The way I see it, you should only trade up if you feel like a player is a can’t-miss player for your system. Neither of those top 2 safeties scream “can’t miss player” to me.

      Some of the WR’s and pass rushers do, but they’re probably out of trading range anyway.

      • GEAGLE

        There is no trading range. We have no ammo…there is only trade back range!

        • Clamdigger

          I guess it depends on how they value said player, but for the most part, I agree.

        • FluxCapacitor

          Yeah, I agree here GE. I doubt they want to give up a bunch of picks in the deepest draft in a decade.

    • Maggie

      Well, at least he didn’t insist on a corner, like so many other “national” types have been doing.

  • Will

    Trading back more likely to happen….

  • 76mustang

    The Chaida piece is pure garbage, please don’t click on and encourage ESPN’s good cop / bad cop bs. Two weeks prior, his take was the MeSean’s signing with a dysfunctional lolskin organization was a huge risk.

    Really hope this guy is banished from further mention on this site – he’s not a legitimate voice on the Eagles in any way, shape, or form. 24/7, please keep your standards higher than including this type of vomit – you’re so much better than this.

    Thanks for the excellent work you do!

    • sdk152

      Just wanted to pop in and explain the “What They’re Saying” pieces. The point here is to round up Eagles-related links from around the Web. You’ll notice I don’t comment or offer my opinion on any of these. I’m not judging which are good, which are bad, etc. I’m just presenting them as they are.

      We want Birds 24/7 to be your one-stop shop for Eagles coverage. Part of that is aggregating opinions and information from other sources.

      I can completely understand if some of you get fed up with the national perspective. And if you feel like skipping these pieces, no hard feelings. But I know others appreciate reading all the different perspectives in one place. Either way, we will continue to have plenty of original content to keep you busy.

      Hope that makes sense and thanks for the feedback. -SK

      • NickS1

        Thanks, Sheil. We appreciate it.

        EDIT: Unless it’s a DeSean article :)

      • Andy124

        This sdk guy seems alright. He should post here more often…

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          unlike that fake Tim McManus running around these boards with no “mod” tag.
          FAKER!

        • GEAGLE

          Booooooooooooo!!! If Santa got Boooed, SDK can get it too!! GETS SOME!!! Booooooooooo! :)

      • 76mustang

        Thanks for the reply – makes good sense, weather and distance to draft day(s) has me in a testy mood :)

      • tommy_the_k

        You 2 are doing a great job. Keep bring it. Can’t wait for your draft coverage. When is/was your anniversary date for the website?

    • tommy_the_k

      Chip should have called a real NFL coach to get his advice on how to handle the situation. I’m sure Belicheck would have been much more forthcoming with his explanation.

  • Will

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 22: Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Ahmad Dixon, SS, Baylor (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A)
    Round 6 Pick 26 (N.O.): Deandre Coleman, DT, California (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Blake Treadwell, OG, Michigan State (F)

  • Will

    Chaida needs to shut is pie hole …what a moron…

    ….

  • OldDocRoss

    This would be the same Jeff Chadiha who wrote of how Chip Kelly was facing a reality check when the Eagles started 2-3, and declared that Pete Carroll would rue the day he left the college ranks.

    We should pay attention to him. Clearly a highly intelligent fellow.

    • NickS1

      Well we should listen to him. You at least know the opposite of his predictions will happen.

      • Maggie

        Kind of like a backhanded compliment? Or just a backhand? ;~)

      • Kevin

        Kind of like weathermen. You know, Eagles now have the possibility of 4 to 12 wins, depending the path Shady takes. A little deviation from the path, could mean a big difference.

  • PaoliBulldog

    Yeah, Chip is so smug and full of himself that every time I see him on TV, I just wanna stick him with a pin and let out all of that hot air.

    Chadiha is awful. I agree with Mustang, spare us any more of his drivel and focus on someone who hasn’t lost his (or her) grip on reality.

  • GEAGLE

    Eagles aren’t trading up forg a safety….when you have 3 veterans you can ATleast be ok putting on the field, a rookie isn’t going to start ahead of them, and if a safety isn’t contributing day one, I’d rather take one in the 4th and develop them….Jenkins is our QB, Wolff and Nate have a battle on their hands! and Wolff showed some potential in every aspect of playing the position…yet they are going to trade away picks moving up for DJ Swearinger of Grovef Quin? Get a clue…pray Exum CB/S falls to 5th and take safety Dowling in the 6th or 7th….after this year we will know more about who Wolff is and know if we need to be spending a top pick on a safety next year..
    ,,,
    Front 7 and offensive weapons early this year
    Secondray and Oline early in the draft next year

    • Andy124

      Before someone else brings it up, context makes it clear you meant, “Eagles aren’t drafting a safety early.”

      • GEAGLE

        Changed it…meant to say trading up….guess edit version hasn’t appeared yet. Lol trust me I know I can’t get away with making a statement like that :)

    • Tom W

      Don’t sleep on Dontae Johnson … better size than Exum and a team leader … should have a chance of making it to us in the fifth.

      Can’t get excited about dowling at all … he looked horrible on tape. so many other seventh rounders I would rather use that pick on .. Colt, DAT, Janis, Walt Aikens, Kerr, Vandy guard, Texas guard, Shane Vereen’s brother at safety from minnesota, Webster from Bloomsburgh, Logan Thomas, Taj, Brett from Wyoming, Dri Archer, Aaron Lynch, khryi thornton, etc

      • oreofestar

        What round is E.J and Phillip Gaines supposed to go in…. also I love Johnson I think if we want him you have to take him in the 4th he will not last til 5th round 22

        • RIP illa

          E.J.’s been seen as low as the 4th, although I don’t know what exactly. He started off as a possible 1st towards the end of the CFB season. Phillip has been talked about as high as the 2nd. I don’t think he makes it past the 3rd, unless teams hold the level of competition thing against him. But his workouts and tape have been to good to let that get in the way.

          Exum should be a 4th or 5th, in my opinion. Based off his decline in movement and fluidity, post injury. If he moved to safety, I could see him as a 3rd round option. Johnson’s a late 3rd/4th, based off of above average hips for a guy his size. Could go higher if a team falls in love with his size. But lack of experience at the position, being raw, makes me like him at that spot.

      • GEAGLE

        Exum is being drafted as a corner, with safety capability as a fall back option. Not sure how Dontae is relevant when it comes to Exum…..would I rather have 4th round safety Dontea over 7th round safety Dowling? I would hope so….like Dontea..I just like adding 3 players to our front 7 in the first 5 rounds more, and I know picks need to be spent on offense…..I don’t sleep on Donte nor would I be mad to see us draft him….but having a stop gap Secondary in place is an opportunity to really solidify your front 7…inside out! Front 7 this year, secondary next year…..on offense we are strong up front so we can get away with weapons this year, Oline next year….stop gap secondary in place, is an opportunity to get the finishing pieces of an eventual top front 7 in place, which will make whoever is playing behind them better. Inside, out, can’t do it all in one draft!

  • Malcolm Jones

    The draft is so far away…..(atleast in my head) I want to see how our guys come in on the 21st. I want to see where Bair, Kruger, Square,Kaddu, Curry and others are. I want to see if Goode and Acho can step it up. I want to see Cunningham can finally get it together and I want Wolff and Keelan Johnson to come in Starving for a spot. The good thing about Gamble is in San Fran they developed their bench, and Kelly wants to do that and get the bench in for some reps, so I want to see where these guys are because if they step up like they are suppose to….. BPA could be really nice!!! I know most are use to backups that can’t backup any position, but Gamble and Chip are about building up benches, spelling players, and not mmissing a beat. So I look forward to competition and some guys who were learning last year to step up.

    • GEAGLE

      Oh absolutely…especially on the defensive side of the ball. It’s obvious we just laid a basic foundation last year.,.we used so little sub packers and played so few players. Not wanting to take our starters off the field…we need bench players on Defense who specialize in different subpackage roles so we can use more defenders in a game…getting Demeco off the field isn’t a demotion, we just need subpackages alternatives so we can be more equipped to counter offenses and keep QBs off balance…,bench is COMING!!!

      That’s why I look at Wolff as a GREAT 5th round pick…even if he can’t develop into our starting safety, I’m confident he can play well enough to ATleast have subpackage role on game day, so whether he starts or not, I’m confident saying he is a 5th round pick who will contribute on Gameday in some capacity…as opposed to our typical Akeem Jordan backups who are just worst case scenario injury backups

      • Malcolm Jones

        There is a nasty taste in my mouth just thinking about the horrible back up players we use to have…I remember when Stewart Bradley went down in our 4-3 Defense….it felt like we had a giant hole that no player on our roster could fill. Looking back at Andy’s latter years, we should not have even considered a post season with some of our depth and the lack thereof.

    • ohitsdom

      Well said. Let’s see some depth!

  • GEAGLE

    Walterfootball has ASJ falling to 77(the pick I’m desperate to aquire)….if he falls out of round two, I will start to go crazy… Need KVn,Marcus!Jenkins and they are all in the same range…Howie needs to make moves…and a QB market needs to emerge for that 22nd pick

    • cliff henny

      know you are liking my #22 to SF for 2nd, 2-3rds and a 4th, heck, i’ll discount it to 5th now. walk with kvn and smith in 2nd, get lattimore, ASJ and moncrief in 3rd. everyone’s happy

      • oreofestar

        That would be insane problem is secret is out on my boy Lattimer

        • cliff henny

          higher than mid 3rd? I’m mainly picturing options eagles would have with 5picks in 2nd/3rd rds. Geagle like ASJ, think he’s fine. think inline blocking TE can be found later, rather RB be addressed then trade Brown(and graham) for whatever they can get. hopefully my over negativity on BB means he’ll kill it this yr.

          • oreofestar

            Bucky Brooks says he will go in top 40 I am starting to see mocks with him in the 2nd

          • cliff henny

            good, think he’s nice, but really raw. pushes someone closer to #54.

          • GEAGLE

            Sure, you can get an inline blocking TE later….one with gronk type of athleticism and catch radius? DOUBT IT….name any position, ill give you a “Later option”.,,2nd or 3rd round pick so that we can have gronk/hernandez type of potential in our 12 personel with Ertz and ASJ doesnt sound that cray to me

          • cliff henny

            want my cornfed 6’7 Iowa Freintz taught TE. get him in 4th.

          • GEAGLE

            Like him as a comperable Redzone weapon to ASJ….but he ain’t rumbling down the seam like a caveman at the speed ASJ will

          • cliff henny

            yeah, that is fun to watch. picture rookie wrs, sproles or ertz doing same. worry about all these passing weapons while Kelly be just as happy to run 75 times a game

          • GEAGLE

            That’s why we make sure that the pass catchers we add are bruising blockers like ASJ and Moncreif :)

      • GEAGLE

        I cant asking for anything more!

    • Will

      ASJ ? Is who?

      • oreofestar

        Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE Washington

        • Will

          Oh thanks…

          • NickS1

            Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington… Just in case you missed it.

          • Andy124

            lol. Blame disqus. I’m innocent!

          • NickS1

            Playing “The Repeater” on a comment board isn’t as fun as it is in real conversation.

          • Chris

            That’ll happen

      • Andy124

        Austin Sefarian Jenkins, TE

    • Tom W

      Teddy or Carr will be there at 22.

      SF has so much ammo … why would they just get to 22 when they could reach up and get best corner or Evans at 7-12

      More likely we see a qb needy team like the texans or jags or raiders trade up to 22 for a uber high third and tab Teddy or Carr if Cards don’t pounce at 20. Texans would be ideal cause then we could trade down again at start of day 1 w a team who wants McCarron, Savage, Jimmy G or McCarron or Kel B.

      • cliff henny

        just signed Brandon Lloyd, maybe they wont want Evans. ;)

        • oreofestar

          They should not even get a first round wr regardless of who have you see their secondary who the hell is playing corner on the other side of an average Tramaine Brock

  • JosephR2225

    Eagles were 13th in the NFL last season in red zone offense (albeit better with Foles than Vick). I would like them to secure the ultimate red zone weapon either in the draft or as a UDFA. Logan Thomas.

    • NickS1

      Haha

      • JosephR2225

        I’m only half-kidding. I want them to draft or acquire him as a TE.

        • NickS1

          I thought you were 100% serious. No way I want that guy as a QB.

          • JosephR2225

            No. Definitely not as a QB. He’s awful. But per CBS: “He was ranked as the No. 1 prep tight end recruit and was recruited as a
            receiver, tight end and H-Back by college programs (only Duke wanted
            him to play quarterback). He somewhat reluctantly moved to quarterback
            shortly after arriving at Virginia Tech and redshirted in 2009 before
            serving as a back-up in 2010.”

          • NickS1

            Good stuff. I thought I heard he wasn’t a QB when he went to college, but I don’t remember. Either way, dude is certainly athletic enough to play a number of other positions not named QB.

          • Andy124

            How’s his sack dance?

          • NickS1

            Not positive, but I’m pretty confident that he was usually on the wrong end of the sacks to be doing dances.

  • Evan

    I know you guys all hate the Chadiha article although I am not sure why. I don’t necessarily agree that the reason for releasing DeSean was Chip’s ego, but until we get some real info this continues to be a mystery. From the comments on DeSean posts it is clear that most people are tired of the story, but I would like to know why my team released one of its best players. Normally teams try to get stronger in the offseason. In the days following DeSean’s release I read articles where he was casually compared to Pacman Jones. Frankly, I find LeSean’s off field behavior much more troubling that DeSean’s. DeSean made a crappy rap song and spends too much money. He gets fired up on the sidelines. Yeah, so what. I am disappointed in the way the Eagles handled this.

    The only reason I can see for releasing DeSean is that they thought he was not worth the money. When he signed his deal it was clear that it was really a 2 year deal because of the cost of the final years. Howie doesn’t want so much money locked into a single position, and I can understand the importance of financial responsibility when building a team. If Foles turns out to be a legitimate quarterback, the Eagles have a golden window while he is on his rookie contract to spend money on other positions.

    It seems easy enough for the Eagles to release a statement thanking DeSean for his service and giving a little bit of respect for giving us some of the most awesome highlights in the Eagles’ history.

    • JosephR2225

      Totally agree. The story has dragged on, but we still don’t have any answers as to why they let a player of his caliber walk.

    • KimbaFuzz

      Your last sentence sums it up perfectly. It has been the Eagles’ absolute refusal to offer any explanation that has allowed this story to continue.

      • Maggie

        The Eagles gave public thanks and praise to Mike Vick and Jason Avant. Surely the fact that they did not do the same with Jaccson MUST tell you something! Even if it’s something you don’t want to hear. The silence can be very compelling

        • GEAGLE

          Lol comparing guys who left as free agents(older players) to cutting a probowler in his prime? I see you are on your game today

    • djack10

      Pretty obvious that Jackson required too much handling. That week of running with the third string last year is a good indicator. Kelly wants guys who buy in completely (cooper, maclin) not guys who need to be handled. It’s not something he needs to say. And now all the players know there is no one above that level of accountability.

    • Engwrite

      Completely agree. The Eagles can’t explain because (I believe) it is a cap motivated move. They need to free up cap space at the end of 2014 and can take the hit now. No fan would buy that. Even worse, the Eagles gave Washington the 1st round pick they did not have a pro-bowler WR. (Only 60% of 1st rounders become contributors). Unfortunately I fear this move will come back to bite us big time.

      • ochospantalones

        I can’t believe you’re not more excited to win the Joe Banner Memorial Cap Management Trophy yet again. 10 of those equals one Lombardi, right?

    • Kev_H

      A) Kelly made it a point of talking about their need to beat man coverage as that is all they were seeing at the end of the 2013 season, B) From my couch at home watching DeSean Jackson highlights most of them seem to be him blowing up a zone, and C) the Cowboys couldn’t stop anybody in the NFL last year, but they were able to hold DeSean Jackson to 6 catches and 49 yards in two games- if I’m right, primarily with man-to-man coverage.

      Take those points above + money involved + player missing exit interview/generally difficult to coach and I don’t think there are any mysteries waiting to be revealed.

  • Kev_H

    I don’t recall many instances of coaches elaborating much on player/personnel moves, why do so many writers expect Kelly to explain his?

    For example, I don’t recall Ray Rhodes offering at length explanations about why he jettisoned Randall Cunningham in favor of Rodney Peete. I have to go back to Buddy Ryan for thorough explanations. Explaining why he got rid of former first round pick Kevin Allen, Buddy said “he’s a good player if you want somebody to stand around and kill the grass.” Expanding on how he could get rid of a running back (Earnest Jackson) coming off two consecutive thousand yard seasons, Buddy suggested that Jackson carried the ball 500 times and that the Eagles should “trade him for a six-pack, it doesn’t even have to be cold.”

    Since Kelly has been coach, the Eagles traded for and signed (2 year deal) a 6’2″ WR (Benn), signed a 6’3″ WR (Cooper), and signed Maclin. They are likely to draft a WR this year as well. What’s there to explain about the most expensive guy being released in that scenario? Kelly clearly likes bigger receivers and felt that Maclin (and possibly a draft pick) would give him more bang for the buck than Jackson over the next three years. Agree or disagree, what’s there to explain?

    If Chadiha isn’t satisfied, he should take it up with the 30 teams who could have had DeSean Jackson for a draft pick and decided it wasn’t worth it.

    • Evan

      I have been trying to think of a similar time that the Eagles gave up on a player at his prime. Randall was done when he was let go (despite his phenomenal year in Minnesota). Cris Carter is the closest example I can remember. Buddy said, “All he does is catch touchdowns.” It was a great mystery at the time. The back story about Carter’s substance abuse problems didn’t come out until much later. Although much of what Buddy did seemed to defy logic, the Carter release was one that made sense years later.

      • anon

        that was a case there they tried not to ruin his rep. not the case here.

        • Harpy Eagle

          That is exactly the case here. You can’t be tight lipped and say nothing and try to ruin a guys rep at the same time. Coming out and explaining the real reasons would end up smearing his rep such as takes plays off, doesn’t fight hard enough for the ball, isn’t very coach-able, doesn’t fully buy into the team concept etc.

      • Kev_H

        Randall could still play when they pulled the plug on him. The last full game before he was benched by Kotite, he passed for 300+ yards, 2 TDs and was one play away from leading a last minute, comeback win over the juggernaut Cowboys (Cunningham also led a 40-8 torching of the eventual champion 49ers earlier in the season). Pass was intercepted by Darren Woodson who took it back 95 yards for a TD and everyone was on Cunningham for not trying hard enough to catch him and that was that for Randall with the Eagles.

        In his last year (1994), he competed and played well against the best teams in football and led the team in an era when it was bleeding free agents to more wins than losses, coached by Richie “albatross” Kotite, and owned by the “man in France” who billed players for their socks. Kotite was looking for a scape goat and Lurie (who publicly expressed a desire to draft Trent Dilfer) and Rhodes came along and wanted to turn the page, so they benched Cunningham, cut him, and bad mouthed him. I still feel if they stuck with him all else being equal (Charlie Garner, Ricky Watters, Irving Fryar etc.), it could have been a great era in Eagles’ football. Heck they made it to the playoffs, once with Peete and once with Ty Detmer.

    • JosephR2225

      Can you think of an instance in which a player of Desean’s caliber was released without any explanation? Cunningham never recovered from his ACL in 1991 and had several seasons of nagging injuries and poor production before he left at age 32. This is different. Desean is 27, presumably in his prime and is coming off a career season. If there were discipline issues or locker room issues they certainly aren’t apparent to anyone (like they were when the Eagles parted with TO) and I don’t think there are money issues (or at least not money issues that are sufficient to merit an outright release).

      • Maggie

        There have been many, over 40 years, in the NFL, not just the Eagles.

        • JosephR2225

          Such as? I can’t pretend to know 40 years of NFL history well enough to say it’s never happened, but a player released for no apparent reason and with no explanation? I’m having a tough time thinking of one.

          • Adam G

            How about Chris Johnson? Happens all the time.

          • JosephR2225

            Well Chris Johnson is a 28 year old Running Back with declining production. And he was set to count $12M against the cap. I don’t think his production at this stage of his career matches Desean’s. He averaged less than 4.0 ypc last year

          • Adam G

            Yes, they were released for same reasons. They were worth less than their contracts. The titans did not explain that in a statement, they just said they released him bc they couldn’t trade him. Teams don’t come out and say a player is worth less than his contract, its assumed.

          • JosephR2225

            I think you can make that case for Johnson because he was coming off the worst season of his career, his numbers showed a steady decline, and the value of the RB position is fairly low. I don’t think you can make it for DeSean coming off a career year in which he was a top 10 receiver and plays at a more premium position. And even then the Titans issued a statement that they had tried to work with CJ’s agent and had tried to trade him, etc. But the Desean question was first raised two months ago and the Eagles have been silent, with the exception of some noncommittal quotes from the owners’ meetings.

          • Adam G

            You can make the same argument for Desean. Top 10 WR making Top 5 money. Doesn’t matter if it was after his career year, he was still getting paid too much, which is evidenced by a lower cap number on his new contract by 20%.

          • JosephR2225

            Well I think that new contract was negotiated with the red flags of having been cut by a team for no apparent reason, but even so, if they had kept Desean with a $12M cap hit that would have been the 6th largest in the NFL and at worst he was the 9th best WR in the NFL last season. I still don’t think that justifies cutting him unless you believe you don’t have to pay for production. Either way, if it’s about money, I still don’t understand the complete silence amid stories questioning his work ethic, alleging gang ties, etc. Jason Avant was cut over money and there were on-the-record statements from Lurie, Roseman and Kelly, not a short quote about “deciding to part ways”.

          • Adam G

            Except two of those WRs ahead of him their teams would renegotiate their contract in a second once it becomes a possibility. Pretty sure Miami would just cut Mike Wallace if it could. WR market is not that highly value, as can be seen in other contracts of WR. This isn’t rocket science, he got less because he was worth less. Skins didn’t care about why he was released. His agent was lucky enough to get the Skins to bid against themselves.

          • JosephR2225

            Okay well even if you accept that he is worth only $8M per year and the Eagles had him at $12, they only saved $1M by cutting him and paying his dead money AND Maclin AND Cooper. They could have kept him and let Maclin walk and been a better receiving unit. I can’t think of the last time the Eagles took a $6M dead money cap hit. Maybe TO?

          • JofreyRice

            The problem with arguing with these guys is that they just don’t think Desean is all that special.

            From the interactions, it seems the 2011 season where he was suspended for 1 game for immature behavior really offended their sense of “football toughness” and they can’t ever let it go or move on. They think punk-ass one-trick pony Desean just ended up as the Eagles #4 all time leading receiver in 87 games by accident, and that pretty much any fast guy could do the same.

          • JosephR2225

            Can’t deny that Desean had his issues. If those issues are the reason they cut him, I think you should at least stand up and say something.

          • CJ

            I just never saw him as a top 10 WR, not even last season. When you compare status you’re not comparing play totals or % of total offense, you’re just sitting there saying oh Jackson’s better than all these guys because he had 1300 yards. And that ignores other stuff. Would you rather have Jackson or Julio Jones? Randall Cobb? He outperformed them last year. Just stop with the 9th best WR in the NFL stuff. It’s nonsense.

            Did he suck? Not even close, but he’s not irreplacable, and he won’t be a top 20 WR this year.

          • JosephR2225

            I think you’re really undervaluing Desean. As Sheil is fond of pointing out, only two other WRs had 80+ catches, 1300+ yards and more than 16.0 yards per reception. 2nd in the NFL in receptions of 20+ yards… there are not many deep threats quite like Desean.

            And again, even if the Eagles thought that 82/1332/9 with 16.1 ypr and 25 big plays wasn’t worth being paid among the top 10 WRs, they should still say something.

          • CJ

            We’ll find out next year, but when you have a speed WR getting closer to 30 that has a well documented history of checking out when he feels undervalued, are you going to really get 1300 yards next year? Can you really tell me on this team he gets 1300 and 8 TDs next year? This isn’t Steve Smith we’re talking about here.

            He takes the top off a D when he’s on, and that adds a dimension that’s currently lacking. Currently. But I don’t think we can sit here, knowing what we know now (which isn’t everything, that’s about the one thing we do know for sure), and unequivocally say we were getting 80+/1300/8 out of him next season. I think that’s being a little intellectually dishonest. If he pulls 60/1000/5 this year I’ll be impressed, and I think that’s even optimistic.

          • JosephR2225

            That’s fair, and of course some of it is obviously attributable to system… but we had him in this system and we know he was good, and there is value in that. I honestly don’t care that much about what Desean does in Washington. I care about what the guys who replace Desean do in Philadelphia, and I’m worried it’s not as simple as plug-and-play.

          • botto

            dont forget most of his numbers come from a couple blow out games, none when it matters

          • JofreyRice

            I mean, you can look at the big picture, and see the receiving yards, 4th all time for the Eagles in just 87 games–everyone above him has more than 100 games logged–the smaller picture, all the 40+ yard plays in that time, as compared to someone like Randy Moss, or the anecdotal view of how he played in memorable games; the go ahead TD in the NFCCG, the Miracle at the Meadowlands part II.

            Very few players are totally irreplaceable, that doesn’t mean you should necessarily put yourself in a position where you have to replace them. I’ve said this before, but there was no cap crunch, Jackson hadn’t been arrested, he wasn’t holding out. Nothing “forced” their hand at moving him, they just didn’t want to pay him what they agreed to pay him contractually. Hard for me to think they can just go into 2014 and have the offense not skip a beat without Jackson, but that’s clearly the goal for Kelly.

          • CJ

            Yeah, I think we agree there. The best answer is “we’ll see”. But even if you want to expand his numbers out over the Reid era, it’s not like that wasn’t a pass heavy skewed offense either. If there were advanced metrics on Jackson’s #s over his career per pass attempts when he’s on the field, they’d be much more inline with the rest of the league. He gets yards in huge chunks, and there’s tremendous value in that. But if it’s 3rd and 3 with the game on the line, that’s just not what he does best. A great game for him is 3-5 big plays, whereas you look at the real top 10 WRs across the league and their great games are extending possessions, pulling down 10-12 catches and that type of thing. Desean just isn’t that. I’m not even sure he could coexist with someone who is.

            If Kelly wants to take the top off the defense and play 10 on 9 he can do that but even then teams catch on. I think he wants more unpredictability, and Jackson just doesn’t offer that. He offers a lot, but not that. I really think they’ll be fine. The real bummer for me is they didn’t get anything in return.

          • Harpy Eagle

            No he wasn’t holding out but he was unhappy with his contract. Perhaps you forgot the last season where he was unhappy and didn’t hold out but also admitted to dogging the whole season.

          • JofreyRice

            he admitted no such thing. He admitted that the contract situation was a distraction in 2011, not that he dogged the whole season–that part was heavily embellished upon into existence. If his “dogging” 2011 produced a similar season to Jeremy Maclin, what does that say about Maclin?

            As far as what he said after the playoff game, how many times must it be re-stated that he responded to a direct question about his contract? He then took to social media after the McLane story to specifically say he was not unhappy with the contract, and that people were twisting his words. Please come correct.

          • Harpy Eagle

            Take off the DeSean colored glasses. I like #10 but he alligator armed passes all season that year which = dogging it. He played not to get hurt as opposed to playing to win. As far as Maclin’s numbers it doesn’t say a thing since they were not running the same routs and Maclin had that strange illness he was recovering from.

            So you read it on social media, well then it must be true.He also said he and his new agent had a plan which I doubt including playing out his current contract at the time.

          • JofreyRice

            So unless you agree that he dogged an entire season where he had nearly a thousand yards receiving, you’re wearing “Desean colored glasses”? He made some immature decisions, definitely had some instances of poor effort, and was benched. That doesn’t equate to dogging an entire season. You want to see dogging an entire season, check out the year Randy Moss spent in Oakland before going to the Patriots. Somehow Bill Belichick took that POS player that dogged it, and got him to post one of the best seasons in NFL history the year after.

            And at any rate, it was 2 years ago. He played his butt off on a really bad team in 2012, and posted a career best season this year. I was very annoyed with the way Desean displayed questionable effort in 2011, but he’s got 2 seasons worth of playing hard since then.

            As far as this year’s invented contract “beef” I read it as a direct quote from Desean himself. He responded to a question about his contract McLane turned into an article because he was looking for page hits. Jackson came out and said that it wasn’t true. That’s about as far from T.O. doing situps on his lawn as you can get. What do you want him to say? Apparently you’re not going to believe anything but the worst.

          • Harpy Eagle

            He hardly played his butt off in 2012 but in all fairness there were not many on that team that did. I never implied he would pull a TO but could see him pulling another 2010. Here is a direct quote for you as well.

            “Honestly, I feel very confident that my agent will work something out,” Jackson said. “I feel like I have a great agent, that’s what he’s for, that’s what his job is, all I have to really worry about is staying out of trouble and keeping my nose clean and doing the things I need to do, working on my craft and playing football.”

            How does that not directly say “I am looking for a new contract.”

          • JofreyRice

            I’m not trying to be a jerk here, but it doesn’t directly say it, because of the definition of “directly”. Like I said, whatever he says, you’re going to read into with bad intentions.

            Look, we’re not going to agree on this. The Eagles did what they did, got rid of a 27 year old probowler in his prime and got nothing in return. We’ll see how it works out.

          • NickS1

            To be fair, they typically don’t pony up the kind of money that would leave them hangin’ for 6mil like that.

          • JofreyRice

            I do agree with Adam here that the market for WRs wasn’t the same. But Desean still got the biggest contract for any WR in free agency, almost a month after free agency began, and most teams had already spent their bottom dollar.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            yea, but it was Snyder. talk about an outlier when it comes to cap/$ management

          • JofreyRice

            A bit absurd to use the rationalization that he was a top 10 WR being paid as a top 5. Football contracts are already notoriously less lucrative than the other major pro sports, now players should have to be renegotiated to their exact price point year-on-year? What would that say about someone like DeMeco Ryans, or Todd Herremans? They’re making “too much” wrt other players at their positions, and how they perform on the field, but those positions command a lower $ total, so the hits are apparently more acceptable.

          • CJ

            Top 10 is generous. There at at least 10 other WRs you could’ve plugged into this system and out performed Jackson. I’d have 15 names of the top of my head before I even thought about Jackson’s. He was overpaid and still complaining.

        • ochospantalones

          We are still waiting on your extensive list of players who were cut when they were A.) coming off of a Pro Bowl season; and B.) healthy; and C.) not facing criminal charges; and D.) on a team which did not need cap room that off-season.

          One player who fits all four would be interesting. I can’t even think of a healthy, non-criminal, current Pro Bowler who was cut by a team which was over the cap, though I imagine it must have happened at some point.

      • djack10

        Cris carter?

        • JosephR2225

          Well as Evan mentioned in the post before mine, Carter is the best parallel and it turned out later that he had substance abuse issues. Even then, even with an explanation no better than “All he does is catch touchdowns”, Buddy answered for the decision to cut him.

          • NickS1

            All he does is catch touchdowns? That sounds like Kelvin Benjamin!

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, Carter’s not a good comparison, in terms of the caliber of player, when he left the team. He had his TD’s, sure, but he was a middle round pick that was moderately productive. Not the case with Desean.

      • JofreyRice

        I think it was primarily a money issue. I think they didn’t want to pay him the money he was due–money he couldn’t even get on the open market–and thought they could make up his production with another guy or a combo of other guys.

        I think they coordinated the release of the NJ.com story with Desean’s release because they knew it would be an unpopular move with much of the fanbase, and then floated out those anonymous quotes a few days later to bolster the story that he was a cancer. Anyone who will put their name to quotes refutes the claim.

        It’s really all going to come down to how it pans out. Either they saved a bunch of money and can replace the production, or they can’t. They don’t call him Big Balls Chip for nothing. However, the possibility of failure always exists. You see what a guy who played against him in the playoffs thinks of Desean. Whether or not his detractors want to admit it, he affected games even when he didn’t get the ball. It’s really just a fact. Can they use some combo of Maclin and a rookie in that same way? Hopefully. We’re going to have to see.

        • cliff henny

          i’m siding with this guy till proven wrong.
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        • JosephR2225

          Here’s the thing though… by cutting Jackson and bringing back Maclin they have about $13M committed to their top two receivers including Desean’s dead money. If they had kept Jackson and brought back Cooper, they would have a stronger receiving corps (because Jackson > Maclin) and would only have about $14M committed to their top two receivers.

          • Adam G

            Talk about apples to oranges. And then what happens next year when those two count 17 mil against the cap? Thing your analysis doesn’t include is next year.

          • JosephR2225

            Next year they could still move on from Jackson and only eat a $4M cap hit instead of the $6 they are eating this year, and gotten another year of production out of Jackson.

          • cliff henny

            actually would have only been 2m. all this is assuming Jax was going to play for no guarantees. Jax never had to come out and be the bad guy, didn’t have to eagles took care of that. but doubt he was going play under that contract. eagles knew it too. was either rip it up, get him for 2 or 3 more yrs around 8-10m or cut him.

          • JosephR2225

            That’s a definite possibility. It’s possible that behind the scenes, Joel Segal said to Howie that Desean would hold out if he didn’t get more guaranteed money. I just don’t know that Howie would let himself be bullied into releasing Jackson to go sign a new contract. He would create a lot of problems for himself if he did, including with Evan Mathis’ current contract.

          • cliff henny

            not even more…some! he was playing for gamechecks. blows out knee in 3rd game, he was out money. jax was not playing under that contract.

          • JosephR2225

            That’s true, but I’m sure the Eagles do business with other Joel Segal clients. Wouldn’t they run into the same problem with another player? Or another agent? Shady is in the last year of guaranteed money on his deal. If his agent comes to Howie next offseason and says he wants guaranteed money or Shady holds out do you think the Eagles cut him outright? I don’t buy it.

          • NickS1

            He plays in week 1 he’s paid for full season.

          • ochospantalones

            Yeah, I am pretty sure contracts for veterans are guaranteed for the remainder of the season once the season begins. Blow your knee out Week One and end up on IR, you still get all your game checks. I think for some late round picks and UDFA’s they can reduce your salary after an in-season injury, which is ridiculous.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, it’s different for guys with less than 3yrs service.

          • ochospantalones

            Further proof the NFLPA is the worst union in sports.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, I agree with you. I think it was a stupid move to make. Penny wise and pound foolish has been a descriptor for this org in the past, and could very well hold true in the future. I think smearing him on the way out to mitigate the fan backlash was classless, but not totally unsurprising.

    • Dominik

      “Buddy suggested that Jackson carried the ball 500 times and that the Eagles should “trade him for a six-pack, it doesn’t even have to be cold.””

      That’s a great quote.

  • John J. King

    Aren’t these the same guys that had the Iggs at 2-14 before last season? Except for Jenkins, who exactly cares what these people say?

  • squirrel

    these mocks having us picking Mosley first round are terrible. Eagles have already made unpopular decisions this offseason and no way possible they would draft a middle lineback first round when the defensive captain and team leader plays MLB… also same as the clowns that have us picking Roby, another player with question marks… they will draft dix, pryor, cooks, lee, beckham, or a pass rusher they love, or they are trading back and getting more picks. a team looking for more depth and picks will pick a player they love and will not reach in the first

    • Maggie

      As you say, the Eagles, like every other team, have a Plan A, with the players they most covet, in a particular round. They have a Plan B, in case some player they also really like falls unexpectedly. They have Plan C, etc. long before the Draft. I imagine there is another Plan for trades, UGFA’s, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Lol.

    • Richard Colton

      Can’t say I’m not intrigued by Mosley. He’s a playmaker.

      • JofreyRice

        He’s clearly the top prospect at his position in the draft, and could be a healthy version of Sean Lee. I would be totally fine if he was the pick at #22. One ‘Bama ILB hands it off to another.

        • GEAGLE

          Prefer the versatility KVN provides…on paper Mosley is the better player, on Sunday I would trust KVN more….also don’t think we will want to move on from Meco as soon as the Mosley mockers think..QB of our defense probably is someone you expect some continuity out of…if Meco is still here next year, which is what I believe, the ILB we draft has to be versatile enough to move all over the place to get snaps…basically I think we can get more out of KVN than Mosley while we wait for Meco to move and and have the draft pick take over..KVN flourished in drastically different roles…I just can’t see Kelly liking a first round ILB that much more than Van Noy…wouldn’t hate adding CJ tho, just be pretty surprised to see us draft him in round 1

          • JofreyRice

            Not a pure ILB, but I think Hightower’s turned out pretty nicely, for NE. He wasn’t the coverage player Mosley is, but is probably a little stronger at the POA. Like I said, I think Mosley’s got some Sean Lee to his game, I wouldn’t be mad if that’s what they were trying to add to the team.

            DeMeco’s getting up there for a MLB, and he’s made a ton of tackles in his career. Every one of those is like a car crash. I thought he looked markedly worse in coverage this year. Whether it’s KVN or Mosley, I think sooner is better than later to get someone on board and start having that player transition–especially on 3rd and long.

  • Tom W

    A mock from comcast having us take Shazier, McGill, Abberderis, Mauro in the first 4 rounds is an absolute joke. How does Moesher keep a job. Same guy that was on nfl.network and espn last year telling everyone we were taking Dee Millner the day before the draft …. such a joke.

    Shazer is too short … 6 1 olb don’t work in the 3-4. and didn’t you notice all the olb we are bringing in or like are 6 3 and up?

    McGill is 25 and stiff in the hips and most likely a convert to safety … you don’t draft that in the second round

    Abberderis runs nice routes but wouldn’t take him before the likes of MOncrief, Martavius Bryant, Herron, Ellington, or Norwood or Landry in the third round….

    And Mauro does nothing for me athletically … Rather take the kid from W virginia, or Brett Urban or hell even the kid from Oregon at that position. and 4th round and pass on studs like Christian Jones, Preston Brown, Barrow, or Dion Bailey or Dontae Johnson or Brandon Thomas or Terence Mitchell, etc…….Cmon

    • Richard Colton

      Because the Eagles needs are (in order) OLB/DB/WR/DL. So I’ll just saunter over to the old Mel Kiper player rankings and plug in 22, 54, etc… Then I’ll call it a day. Moesher’s on autopilot.

    • cliff henny

      i’ll give a million Mosher monkeys and million years, and bet he cant get rds 1-4 correct

    • GEAGLE

      Mauro lucky to get picked in 5th..same with Hart

    • Joe L

      Shazier would be an ILB in our scheme, and every other 3-4 scheme.

      • Tom w

        A 6 1 undersized ilb to pair w Kendricks. Great idea.

        • Joe L

          Yea that 6’1 240 lbs Demeco was terrible.

        • JofreyRice

          how big is Ryans, like 6’5 or something? I dunno, google’s not working for me.

  • DEaglesWay

    We often talk about how WR depth is thin and I might be the only one but I’m really curious and optimisitc (probably too much) about a WR already on the roster. He’s often forgotten being on injured reserved all of last season and he hasn’t prove anything since entering the league, but look at those two career stats line from players of the same draft class:

    Rec Yds Avg Lng TD
    46 679 14.7 58 5
    59 862 14.6 65 5

    The first line is Cooper’s before last season and the second is from the player I’m talking about (Brace yourselves): Arrelious Benn

    What do you guys think?

    • Joe L

      Benn can’t stay healthy. Being on the field is kind of important.

  • myeaglescantwin

    as much as i want to forget the DeSean mess, i can’t.

    I’d have to say, if DeSean doesn’t get locked up (by cops) before the draft, Howie made a mistake. They could have squashed all the tension with a few ” Amaro-esque” lies. Held onto DeSean, quieted the media and continued trying to move him. Hell, he could have been a bargaining piece to move around in the draft. Not only did the eagles lose a playmaker, they got rid of a huge bargaining piece.

    His contract must have been one hell of a deal breaker.

    • cliff henny

      it was, because the underlying theme is any team trading for D-Jax had to then negotiate off that contract. he was at 3 yrs 30m, and had to trade assets then discuss new player into how much of a paycut he was going to take. still, a 6th? eags threw a 6th away of Benn’s broken knees and brick hands.

      • myeaglescantwin

        hahahahah

        now they are relying on him and Mohma to come out like gangbusters.

  • GEAGLE

    Shame Marty isn’t a read option Coach..like to see what Vick and Chris Johnson could do…be more entertaining than watching that circus try and run a west coast offense

    • peteike

      CJ thinking about how to rhyme ho with ho as he runs into a wall for a gain of 1. Vick on a 5 step drop senses imaginary pressure, escapes and throws dart bomb to Decker. Oh no, MV took a big hit there as he released it, he hobbles to the sideline out 4 – 6 weeks. Geno takes them to 1-5 following 6 games and out of contention, throwing 12 INTs to 3 TDs. Ba Bye Rex, Marty latches on with the Lions as QB coach.

      • anon

        funny they managed to crush the saints with literally no offense. after what he did last year i don’t have anything bad to say about rex ryan, even jokingly. he was able to keep that team motivated and led them to an 8-8 year in a division with the pats and geno smith as a qb, and no receivers and after being a straight laughing stock for the past year and the offseason, all while being a lame duck coach.

        he’s a players coach that gets results. marty is a terrible coordinator.

  • peteike

    I wouldnt hate it if they drafted Ha Ha

  • Glenn

    It is telling that Jenkins said that Jackson dictated the way the Saints played coverage in the playoff game. Alot of people have underplayed Jackson’s influence as a downfield threat. Does anyone think that Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin, coming off injury, are the threats that Jackson is, and will dictate coverages? Releasing Jackson, I still believe, was a mistake for the coming year. Since it doesn’t seem they are using the cap space, it was a waste of an asset. I know that DeSean wasn’t a model teammate. But isn’t that the job of the coach, to make the most out of your players?

    • Javi Echie

      He is absolutely overexaggerating because they had Keenan Lewis matched up one on one almost the entire game and shut him down.

    • GEAGLE

      Maybe, maybe not…,doesn’t matter, safeties will be crapping their pants worryng about Ertz going down the seam…cardnals top defense found out what our 12 personel could do

      • Glenn

        I would have loved to see Maclin, Ertz, Jackson, McCoy, and Cooper all on the field at the same time. That could have been something. Talk about safeties and defenses crapping their pants. The subtraction of Jackson, without any signifcant incriminating criminal offense after the release, is truly a head scratcher. We could have cut him at the end of preseason if we wanted to, if he truly was not worth it, Maclin looks great, and we still couldn’t retrieve value in a trade. You must admit the timing served no good purpose.

  • 76mustang

    DeSean’s post-season production – how will the Eagles replace this?

    2013
    1 game 3 rec. 53 yds. 0 TDs
    2010
    1 game 2 rec. 47 yds. 0 TDs
    2009
    1 game 3 rec. 14 yds. 1 TD
    2008
    3 games 11 rec. 207 yds. 1 TD

    • JosephR2225

      LeSean McCoy has unimpressive postseason numbers too. Hard to look at these stats in a vacuum.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        not even a close comparison. mccoy has been one of the best backs in the league, and arguably is now (only AD is close, and that’s saying something when you’re neck and neck with one of the GOAT)

        plus, this is a run-centric offense.
        McCoy opened things up for everyone else, not the other way around

        • JosephR2225

          I don’t mean it as a knock on McCoy by any means. I just mean you can’t look at DeSean’s last three playoff games and draw any conclusions about replacing him. As I recall in 2009, for instance, the Eagles Oline got dominated by the Dallas DLine in that playoff game, which effectively mitigates a deep threat receiver (especially in the Andy/Marty offense) through no fault of Desean’s.

          • NickS1

            I know everyone likes to think that DeSean was used too simplistically in Reid’s offense by only going deep, but is it a possibility that Reid had some shorter and intermediate routes for DeSean and he just wasn’t that good at them, mainly due to his size? I’m not asking this rhetorically. I honestly don’t know enough about the route tree he ran under Reid. I know it’s constantly played off as though DJ only ran deep routes, but I’d love some numbers backing that up if anyone has them.

        • GEAGLE

          Debateable…shady averaged 3 yards per carry with Desean off the field, 5yard with Desean in the game

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            No. Not debatable.
            8 men in the box is more telling than ypc out of context

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t disagree actually….just devils advocate

          • anon

            why? we ran it all the time…

      • 76mustang

        The TEAM goal is to win a SB – DeSean decided to skip his year-end interview and touted his off-season plan with his new agent (because every pro striving to win a SB cites their off-season plan with their agent as an indication of their commitment to excellence).

        His post-season production doesn’t scream top 10 #1 receiver in the league, nor does his red zone production, or his production against better defenses.

        Is he talented? Yes. Will he straighten up and fly right with his new team? Maybe. Is his production irreplaceable? I think Chip and Pat will find ways to more than compensate for his dismissal. DeSean is not a HOF receiver.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Who’s DeSean?

      • Andy124

        The famous rapper, duh.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Oh that guy that plays for the Skins, apparently hangs with gang members and wears the funny Steve Erkle glasses??… lol.

          Sorry, I’m just over it & tired of hearing about it.

          • Andy124

            No kidding. It’s nothing but ‘bad jokes from Andy’ fodder to me now.

  • Brian

    “This is another by-product of leading a collegiate powerhouse. The best coaches always feel an immense sense of control over their environments.” ~ Jeffri Chadiha

    Hey Jeffri, Oregon wasn’t a “Collegiate Powerhouse”, until Chip Kelly got there.

    • PaoliBulldog

      Wait. Is Chadiha calling CK one of the best coaches?

      I guess Kelly is elite *despite* being an arrogant egotist. Chadiha, OTOH, is arrogant for no discernible reason.

  • GEAGLE

    Going to be interesting to see Sproles run a zone read

    • anon

      if sproles blocks a DE that guy should get fired on the spot.

      • GEAGLE

        Ok

    • NickS1

      Now pick up CJ2K (or is 1K now?) for a tad more than Sproles deal and watch Chip have a f’n field day!

      • GEAGLE

        3 back pistol? Hmmmm

        • NickS1

          That, too. I was thinking 2back with Sproles in the slot with Ertz and Coop.

        • JosephR2225

          Double Pistol. 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 5 TEs on the field on every play.

          • oreofestar

            we are counting Lane as a QB right?

  • GEAGLE

    Florio saying we should draft Shayzler at 22….what a fool

    • Jerry Pomroy

      So did Geoff Mosher.

  • anon

    After speaking with “several sources involved with the (team’s) decision-making,” San Jose Mercury News columnist Tim Kawakami believes embattled OLB Aldon Smith “probably won’t play for the 49ers in 2014.”

    According to Kawakami, there is a “weariness and frustration over Smith’s behavior that I’ve never heard involving any recent 49ers player.” Smith has yet to officially be charged with a crime after allegedly making a false bomb threat at LAX, but that should soon change. Kawakami reports the 49ers do plan to let the legal process play out before making a decision on Smith’s future. His next hearing is scheduled for April 29.

    id do it if they cut him…

    • GEAGLE

      Hell yeah…I’ll baby sit him myself…make him live with Chip for all I care, chain him to a Novacare radiator “black snake moan style” between practices….whatever, just keep him on the field for us

    • NickS1

      I’m on board with picking him up and dealing with his suspension. 100%. I wouldn’t doubt that he ends up with the Dez treatment of having a security team with him to keep him in line.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Hell ya you get him, if you can get they’re before Snyder. But how do you cut a perceived bad guy for an actual bad guy?

  • GEAGLE

    Just did a pure BPA…no trades. Got some quality players, graded straight As…but would people be happy about a high Qaulity BPA like this even if it doesn’t best adress our needs?
    1) Justin Gilbert CB
    2) Jace Amaro TE
    3) Demarcus Lawrence OLB
    4) Joel Bitonio OG
    5) Cody Lattimore WR
    7) Jay Bromly DT

    • Nick C

      I would be ecstatic with that haul

      • GEAGLE

        I played this game 6000 times and this is the first time I ever set a record…just drafted BPA no trades, came in 17th place under the name Zues with 6034 PTs…all the great drafts and this is the one that finally gets a good grade?
        1) Taylor Lewan OT
        2) Ryan Shazier OLB
        3) Jordan Mathews WR
        4) Charles Sims RB
        5) Josh Huff WR
        7) Shamar Stephan DT

    • Joe L

      Would be great, but I think Bitonio and probably even Latimore are going in the first two rounds.

      • GEAGLE

        Demarcus might also….that draft is much better than the one I had below that I set a top score with…can’t figure out how the hell that game scores

        • oreofestar

          This draft would kill me, Amaro and Lattimer with Bitonio as Herrimans full time replacement by 2015 makes the offense scary while still getting Gilbert for the D not in love with Lawrence and I know zero about Bromly

          • GEAGLE

            That draft is like having two first and three second round picks…

          • oreofestar

            exactly…

  • oreofestar

    neeeeeeeeeeeeed draft picks

  • oreofestar

    Geagle did you check out my boy Cody Lattimer and have people looked at my man Devante Adams

    • Joe L

      Your boy and your man. You must be very close to these two.

      • oreofestar

        yep! :P

      • George

        nah hes just like stephen a

    • GEAGLE

      Was able to download two of his games! but I doubt I get to it before sunday

      • oreofestar

        aaaaah mmmk

  • oreofestar

    Saw a Bucky Brooks mock with Lattimer going 48 please tell me he just really like Lattimer and this is not the concensus

    • Joe L

      This bandwagon is picking up steam far too quickly for my liking. Seems like a ton of hype. Have fun with Devin Thomas 2.0.

      • oreofestar

        Yeah I have liked Lattimer for a while (and by a while I mean only 2 months :P) but I loved him because I thought he was going in the 4th/5th now that I am seeing 2nd damn… better just talk about Devante Adams

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Probably two reasons. 1) He ran an impressive 40 for his size. 2) He manhandled a very good Michigan State CB (shhh, don’t say his name).

          • Joe L

            So you’re the guy who does “box score scouting”. Go watch the game on draftbreakdown that has Indiana vs. MSU.

            Literally 1 catch came against Dennard. The rest were against whoever the heck #15 is for MSU.

          • oreofestar

            nuh uh he got Dennard more than once

          • Joe L

            The only catch I saw in that game was the 2 yard comeback at the goaline against Dennard.

            Certainly no “manhandling”.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Was actually being facetious. I just find it funny how guys come out of nowhere and then get over hyped because of a good 40.

            I do my homework. But honestly I haven’t really dug deep into Lattimer.

    • anon

      who cares the higher one player goes the lower another goes.

      • Andy124

        Well said, anon.

  • ben

    One great year for Chip Kelly and the Philly wolves are howling at his door.
    Ya ever think this Jackson deal is a matter better left private. Or perhaps Kelly thinks if you don’t have something nice to say, remain quiet? Kelly owes you whiners nothing on this issue. Let it go!!

    • MoreViolence

      Personally i love that he’s not saying anything. For years I wanted a team that was secretive like the Patriots. And it looks like i finally get my wish.

  • oreofestar

    F*** it I hate this so much I do not want a top 30 pick get me the hell out of round 1 preferably get me out of the top 40ish only players that would make me not trade down ODB, Evans, Watkins, Mack, Barr, Clowney, Robinson, Ebron, Gilbert and they should all be gone so get the hell out!

  • GEAGLE

    Just played the game, and my BPA nightmare came out…BPA lovers, tell me WTF would we do if the board falls like this? Lol
    22) BOrtles
    2) Kelvin Benjamin
    3) Jean Baptiste CB
    4) Devonta Freeman RB
    5) Ronald Powell OLB
    7) Shemar Stefan DT

    ????????? Nightmare, opportunity???

    • oreofestar

      to be honest at 54 I don’t hate Benjamin would hate him at 22 I like picks 3 and 5

  • Will

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 22: Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (A)
    Round 3 Pick 24 (CINN): Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 27 (CLE): Andre Williams, RB, Boston College (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Preston Brown, ILB, Louisville (B)
    Round 7 Pick 3 (CLE): Chris Boswell, K, Rice (A)
    Round 7 Pick 22: De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (C)

  • DoctorRick

    I didn’t realize Jeffri Chadiha was such an expert on Chip’s ego. He musta made a life’s study of it, like he has no life of his own.
    What a poor quality article.

  • Sproles+McCoy=Super Bowl

    Chip Kelly is not arrogant he’s a smart coach a rookie coach first year in the nfl with a rookie QB to the playoff so please keep hating.