Some Thoughts On DeSean

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DeSean Jackson
signed a three-year, $24 million deal with the Redskins Wednesday that contains $16 million guaranteed. That’s $1 million more in guaranteed coin than he got from the Eagles in the five-year deal he signed in the 2012 offseason. A win for agent Joel Segal, who wasn’t receiving commission from the previous contract. A loss for Drew Rosenhaus, who was. And a quick bounceback for a receiver that was released less than a week ago alongside a report about his alleged gang ties.

Jackson not only landed on his feet, but did so less than 150 miles from here. Had the Eagles been successful in their trade pursuits, perhaps they could have shipped him out of conference or to the other side of the country. They forfeited any control when they cut him, and he ended up in their back yard. It’s going to be a huge, league-wide story line for at least the upcoming season. (Something tells me the NFL, which is expected to release the 2014 schedule at the end of the month, will have Jackson’s return to Philly prominently featured.)  If Jackson ended up in Oakland, say, the Eagles would still be questioned and the Jackson decision would still impact the way the upcoming campaign is discussed and analyzed. But distance and time have a way of dulling even the sharpest of angles.

Here, there is no space. Just months worth of kindle and intrigue.


Jackson -- an eccentric, gifted Pro Bowler in the square of his prime -- remains within the division. The Eagles will now be measured not just by their own success and failures, but also by those of one of their top rivals.

And Jackson has the opportunity to stick it to his old boss twice a year. I do think that will motivate the 27-year-old on game day. As one of the more slightly-built men in a game full of giants, he seeks out ways to capture a mental edge and reasons to work himself into fight-out-of-the-corner mode. This is a slam dunk way to do that.

I'm not so sure that was part of his motivation for signing in Washington. Honestly, he has bigger things to worry about. While the Eagles need to be questioned for the decision to part ways with such a talent (and how they went about it), Jackson needs to own some of this as well. Stars in their mid-20's don't get cut out of nowhere. There was concern about his off-field behavior and associations. Has been for some time now. That goes beyond football. Some of those closest to him were worried; some of his tightest allies have been forced out of the inner-circle. Part of the reason the Redskins were appealing to some close to Jackson is because of a "support network" that exists in the area. Ultimately, though, it's up to Jackson to make some critical choices.

"I think sometimes it takes a change in your life to understand really what needs to happen, and the course that needs to be set," Michael Vick said on March 25, via the New York Daily News. "Maybe it's time for a change for DeSean to help him understand the maturation process of his young NFL life and his personal life."

Jackson is not without his flaws and has at times put personal interests in front of the team. But then, find me an NFL roster that has nothing but perfect "culture fits" on it. Headaches are part of the deal. It's about having a strong locker room overall that can prevent those headaches from being infectious. Last year was a great example of that, actually. Jackson was as good as I've seen him both as a player and professional (though, granted, there could have been some things going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of). Chip Kelly did a good job of establishing a positive atmosphere and identifying players that could help keep the outlook healthy.

Despite that success in his first year, and Jackson's contributions to it, Kelly decided to cut bait. Time will tell if the head coach just steered this organization into a pylon or away from one.

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  • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

    On behalf of Dick, all I can say is – fuck ‘em.

    • Richard Colton

      tell ‘em wine glass. I’m still too angry to type.

  • Brandon

    The Desean Jackson move had to be done. Had nothing to do with gangs or any of that bull. Was about salary plain and simple. The fact that the redskins signed him for less on the open market then we were set to pay him (and they still overpaid) tells you all you need to know. GO EAGLES.

    • Jeff Asay

      Not getting the difference between cap hit and guaranteed money and salary today, are you? If DeSean suffers a major injury playing under the Eagles contract, he was guaranteed 250k. Eagles walk away with a cap hit, but no real actual money lost. Jackson walks into D.C. And he gets 16 million guaranteed.

      • Adam G

        Except once the season started that 10 mil was gauranteed. Think you need to bone up on your info.

      • Brandon Baltic

        Who mentioned guaranteed money. Desean had ~28 million left on his contract with the Eagles over 3 years before they cut him (with the highest amount coming this year in 2014). The Redskins signed him to a 24 million deal over 3 years. 28 > 24. Did you fail math class?

        • Adam

          This pretty much confirms you don’t understand the difference.

          • Brandon Baltic

            If you want to look at this year alone we were set to pay him 10.7m. The Redskins are paying him less than that. So the Redskins are paying him less then we were going to pay him in 2014 and in the length of the contract. I think you don’t understand what the point of my argument even is.

          • Adam

            Except you completely miss the part that if DeSean trips and breaks an ankle on the way onto the field here here in Philly we’d be on the hook for the fraction of that price. But if he does that in DC, they’re screwed.

        • Jeff Asay

          Nope. Did ok. In the NFL, all that matters is guaranteed money. If DeSean gets hurt in minicamp this Spring, he was owed only 250k. With the Skins, it’s much much more guaranteed money. Few NFL players play out these mega contracts they sign, and the only figure that matters is what they have to pay. Eagles have the cap space post-free agency, so salary wasn’t an issue for this season.

          • Brandon Baltic

            Uh no guaranteed money is not all that matters. I understand what he’s owed if he gets hurt. Assuming he doesn’t get hurt in minicamp he was owed 10.7 million dollars. The Eagles did not want to pay that. No team in the NFL wanted to pay that. That’s why no one wanted to trade for him. Just because they can afford it does not make it the right move to pay him. They may spend that money more wisely after the draft on FAs. Also, you get the dead money out of the way this year instead of next year if you release him next year.

    • ochospantalones

      I don’t understand why people are so eager to buy this pro-management BS. Nothing about this was required by his contract or the salary cap. You only need to cut someone who is overpaid if their contract is preventing you from making other moves which give you better return on the dollar. That is not the case here.

      There is no one left to spend the money on, so why should you care if they save the money? Why is it better for Jeffrey Lurie to have it? It’s not like you’re getting a refund because they don’t have to pay DeSean now. They already had cap room. If they needed to clear space in 2015, they could have moved DeSean then (or Maclin, or other veterans).

      Demeco Ryans is overpaid, maybe they should cut him without replacing him too.

      • Brandon Baltic

        There is plenty players left to spend money on. They aren’t big name household names but there are players left that can contribute and add depth. I care if they save money because there’s this thing called the salary cap that every team can’t go over. If they would have cut him 2015 instead of this year they would have 4m in dead money that would have hurt them 2015. By cutting him now, you get all that dead money out of the way this year. I would expect them to sign a player or two now that they have more cap room after the draft and an even better player next offseason once all of Desean’s dead money is gone.

        Yes Demeco is overpaid but he is presumably much harder to replace then Desean considering his role on the defense (the whole leader and calling the plays thing).

        • ochospantalones

          They already had $16 million in cap room, they didn’t need to cut a Pro Bowl wide receiver so they can sign some backup linebackers and wide receivers with injury histories. There is a modest cap advantage next year from cutting DeSean now- they could have designated him as a post-June 1st cut and defrayed some of the hit to next year, but they chose to take it all this year.

          Despite the various extensions that remain to be given out (Cox, Kendrick, Boykin, and of course Foles) I haven’t seen an analysis suggesting the situation is so critical they need to start dumping guys a year ahead of time. If it was that critical, Ryans, James Casey, Trent Cole and others would be on the chopping block as well. Really, they have plenty of well-compensated veterans who can be cut or renegotiated with if needed in 2015 (those three, Brandon Graham, Todd Herremans, Brent Celek, they can let Maclin walk).

          • Brandon Baltic

            You bring up some very good points. I think this move is indicitive of what Chip and Howie think of the WR position in general.

            Howie has stated that this is a deep draft for WR. They can sign two rookie WRs both to 4 year deals for less then Desean was making in ONE year. No, they aren’t going to replace Desean with a rookie but can they find a deep threat that can stretch the field, a TY Hilton type, pay him 500k and have him produce like a 3-5m dollar player in this offense? I’d have to give them the benefit of the doubt and say yes. In that scenario, they are getting more value by letting Desean walk. Between a rookie WR(s), Maclin, Cooper, and improvement of Ertz (they may be be running more 2 TE sets this year), they might be able to make up most of difference of what Desean was producing for a fraction of the cost.

            If there’s one position they can save money on it’s probably WR. Releasing the guys you mention would be much harder to replace with rookies (other then Casey, I don’t know why he hasn’t been cut already) in my opinion.

          • Brandon Baltic

            Also according to eaglescap.com they would have had about ~14m in cap space by my count not 16m. I will cede, however, that if they do not spend more then that 14m on the draft and other FAs, releasing Desean was not a good move. I guess I’m assuming Howie isn’t incompetent and will be spending that 14m.

          • ochospantalones

            There is no way they will spend their way up to the cap this off-season, with or without DeSean. The advantage in keeping cap room unused is that under the new CBA you can roll it over to next season. So if you are $10 million under the cap in 2014, that allows you be $10 million over the cap in 2015. So if you really think they are desperate for space in 2015, trying to maximize their 2014 cap space sort of makes sense. It’s a one year fix though, because once you’ve used your roll over in 2015, you have no roll over in 2016 and you have to get back below the normal cap. I personally don’t think the modest improvement in 2015 cap space is worth losing your second best offensive player now.

            Clearly Chip doesn’t think they need DeSean. We’ll have to hope he’s right. But my point is that nothing about the salary cap or DeSean’s contract necessitated this, they could have waited a year to sort all of this out. Cutting DeSean this year doesn’t allow them to make any 2014 moves they couldn’t have made anyway. Having a Pro Bowl receiver does not bar you from drafting a receiver, or multiple receivers. If they had cut him at the start of free agency and used the savings to add Jairus Byrd or DeMarcus Ware I’d feel a lot better about it, but instead they waited until it was too late.

          • Brandon Baltic

            Ahhh I forgot about the rollover. That makes my argument easier then. 10.7m (Deseans scheduled 2014 salary) is not a modest improvement in 2015 cap space. That is substantial savings that can be used on legitimate starting caliber players. Yes it doesn’t allow them to make any moves in 2014 but it definitely does in 2015 or 2016 or 2017 or whenever they decide to roll it over. Yes it is a one-time fix and they will need to get under the cap again the following year but in the NFL that is not hard at all by releasing expensive vets like the Trent Coles and Demeco Ryans of the world that will be cut once they get too old anyway.

            Of course it wasn’t out of necessity that they released him but just because they weren’t up against the cap (yet) doesn’t make it a bad move financially. Yes they didn’t use the savings on Byrd or Ware this year, but they still can use it to go over the cap and get a Byrd or Ware-type player next year or 2016 or whenever. Cutting him next year instead of this year does not give you that type of rollover flexibility. The unused savings still retains its same value. The Eagles will still be trying to win the super bowl in 2016 and beyond just like in 2014.

          • ochospantalones

            They don’t get the whole $10 million, there is a “dead money” cap charge of $6 million. This comes from accelerating the bonus money that had been prorated over all 5 years of the deal. But I think his cap figure was actually more like $12 million, not the $10.5 million he was being paid, so they still get $6 million in cap space out of it. Nothing is ever straightforward with NFL contracts. Anyway, if hoarding cap rollover is the plan, then it’s really difficult to explain what James Casey is still doing here. Trent Cole too- cut him now you get $2 million in cap savings this year and then don’t have to worry about his dead money hit next year (he has a massive salary increase for 2015, so there is no possible way he plays under his current contract then).

          • Brandon Baltic

            Right they are saving 6.5m in 2014 (that will allow them to roll over an extra 6.5m in 2015), but also keep in mind they are saving an extra 4m in 2015 since if he were to be cut in 2015 instead that dead money would have been spent next year instead of this year. The total savings is still 10.5m unless I’m completely going crazy and doing the math wrong (possible).

            I agree about Casey. I don’t know what he’s doing here still but nonetheless one bad move does not give justification for another bad move by keeping and overpaying Desean. They should be mutually exclusive. Trent Cole was productive last year and should exceed his scheduled 2014 5m salary in production (I think PFF had him worth 9m last year). Also replacing him is problematic as the Eagles are already hurting for pass rushers. Cutting him this year doesn’t make much sense just to save a measly 2 million in cap space.

          • Brandon Baltic

            Looked up Casey’s cap figure and it makes a little more sense now why he’s still here. It looks like his 2014 cap hit is 4m but his 2014 dead money is 2m if cut. I guess the FO is saying its worth an extra 2m to keep him here. In 2015 his salary is still 4m and no dead money though so I would expect him to be gone then.

          • Brandon Baltic

            OK so after even more research it looks like some cold water has been thrown on my whole rollover argument. It appears that 17m of their cap space in this year was due to a rollover from 2013. Their payroll is sitting at around 129m, so without the rollover from last year they’d only have about 4m to sign draft picks and such (the cap is 133m). So this looks like they are going to be rolling over very little cap space into 2015 if anything at all (even by cutting Desean).

            It also shows that their cap situation next year is not a good as originally thought. Their projected salary is 123m in 2015, not accounting for growth of the cap and signing of draft picks, which leaves them with somewhere in the range of only 10m in cap space next year. And thats only for 34 players. If Desean was cut next year instead of this year, there would only be 6m in cap space. Of course, this doesn’t factor in the probable freeing up of cap space by releasing expensive vets (Casey, Cole, Ryans, Cary Williams, etc).

            Knowing that, cutting Desean definitely does not look as good as I thought when you first mentioned the rollover. I guess it goes back to my initial point of having the advantage of more money this year to spend on FA after the draft. But if they can’t get anywhere close to spending their remaining cap space (that 14m I originally mentioned) on draft picks and backup players like you say, then cutting Desean was probably a waste, even if it frees up 4m next year in a potentially bad cap situation. I guess to make cutting him at all remotely worth the savings of only 4m, they’d need a rookie wr to out produce his rookie contract by at least 4m. Possible, but definitely no lock.

            If they fail to spend that space, I’d definitely feel much worse about letting Desean walk. I guess time will tell.

        • scarolina1

          Let us not forget the rookie free agent class this year also, given how deep this draft is I’m sure there will be some very good players that will not get drafted and now the Eagles can be players in that market also.

          • ochospantalones

            We had $16 million in cap room already. There is no one we can now sign in 2014 who we could not sign before cutting DeSean. Cutting DeSean now does help the 2015 cap situation a little, but enables them to do absolutely nothing in 2014 that they couldn’t do already. I get that people want to find the silver lining, but there really isn’t one for this season unless you buy the Ashley Fox “addition by subtraction” argument, which I think is nuts.

  • Eagles

    I really dont care what Jackson does! He will have some great games & non descript games but he will disappear in 2 maybe 3 years due to his personal life and deteriorated speed which will really make him ordinary…

  • LostInChiTown

    Still makes me sad.
    One last time, for old times sake?

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Happy for him. Definitely just made the NFC East a much more competitive division.

    • Richard Colton

      spoken like a true DeSean Jackson fan amidst a sea of Eagles fans. consistently annoying. WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT DESEAN NOW?!? He’s a redskin. Happy for him?…unreal.

      People act like DeSean is coming to their house to share the signing bonus.

      • Uncle Wonder

        Lol, why so harsh? less than a week ago he was an Eagle and had been since 2008…doesnt seem unreasonable that fans would feel some kinda way about his departure and wish good for him…just like Dawk, McNabb, Westbrook and plenty others through the years…half the board wished Avant luck when he was cut. Bein a fan is an emotional rollercoaster.

        I guess you were over it five mins after you broke up w your last gf…or bf.

        • Richard Colton

          Answered your own question – because those guys were Dawk, BWest, McNabb, Trot, Akers etc…

          Wished them well, except when they played the Eagles.

          DeSean is on my a$$hole list. He can sit next to TO. I will never cheer for him again.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Never was a DeSean Jackson fan. Nor have I ever been a blind “fan” of any organization. This org did him wrong. I wish him the best.

        Last I checked wishing someone the “best” is hardly acting like “DeSean is coming to their house to share the signing bonus.”

        But whatever. Like some of your brethern on this site. You just wanted something to complain about.

        • Richard Colton

          That’s what you consistently get wrong. Organization didn’t do him “wrong.” They did you wrong by screwing the pooch on this situation.

          Wish him the best while he’s scorching us for 6/140. I’ll be booing and complaining.

  • Eagles1018

    That’s hilarious. He makes 2 million less in salary even though he makes 1 million more in guaranteed money. It was worth it to complain about his contract, I guess.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      He was never gonna see the 10.5. And he didn’t complain about his contract. SMH.

      • Adam G

        He actually complained about his contract to Tim. Kind of ironic for you to say that in the comments of an article written by the man who asked the question and got the response.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          He was asked a question and said yes…he thinks he should have more guaranteed money. So now we equate answering questions with complaining?

          • Andy124

            How are you doing today?
            Oh my back hurts, I hate my job and my dog pissed on the floor this morning.

            Not complaining?

          • Dilwala_G

            Not quite the question he was asked. To continue your analogy – if he was asked “doesn’t your back hurt and wouldn’t it be better if it felt better?” And he said “yeah” – complaining?

          • John

            But he didn’t complain or ask the front office for more money. Chip even acknowledged that.

          • Adam G

            He literally complained to Tim in the locker room.

          • Andy124

            Well played.
            While my example was one end of an extreme, I think yours is the other end. I do think it’s a matter of opinion as to whether DJ’s response counts as complaining or not.

            But to say that if you’re just answering a question you’re automatically not complaining, which is what I responded to, is silly.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Except that wasn’t the question he was asked. He was asked a direct question (yes or no)…not an open ended one.

          • Adam G

            Where is it written that you have to answer a question honestly? He said he deserved a new contract, that is complaining, end of story.

          • aub32

            This is such a ridiculous stance that you are taking. Had Jackson put up 700 yds and 3 TDs and been happy to keep his contract, what would you be saying? You would have been screaming for the guy to get cut despite the contract already in place. We all knew 2 years ago that the Jackson deal would be revisited this offseason. Let’s not act like we are surprised that he wanted a new deal. Had he underperformed please believe Howie would have seen to it he was cut or restructured for less money.

          • Adam G

            There was no surprise man. It was a reply to the comment that he didn’t complain, which he obviously did.

          • aub32

            He did not complain. Plenty of people are underpaid. Do you know any teachers. Many of them feel they are underpaid. Are they complaining? No. Because they feel the rest of what they get from their job makes up for it. His performance last year was deserving of some more guaranteed money. It was an honest answer in direct response to a question.

          • Adam G

            Just because it was an honest response doesn’t mean it was not complaining. It’s definition:

            express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event.

            Did he express dissatisfaction? OF COURSE HE DID.

          • Andy124

            Do you know any teachers.
            Yes.

            Many of them feel they are underpaid. Are they complaining? No.
            Oh yes they are. lol

      • Eagles1018

        You’re right. He only used the media to insinuate that since he had his best year (no thanks to the coach I’m sure) that he deserves more money.

        • aub32

          Guaranteed money not more money.

          • Eagles1018

            So one million more guaranteed was worth making 8 mill per versus 10? I’m no math genius but I can add

          • aub32

            Come on. What!? He already got all his guaranteed money from the Eagles. He didn’t get 1M more. He got 16M up front. If I told you that I would give you 16M cash or you could play the most violent sport in America, make 10M, and risk being injured or cut before the next season: Which would you take?

          • Adam G

            Wait, you think his current contract is better than if he played out the Eagles contract?

          • aub32

            It’s what he was looking for. The guy never said he wanted more money. He said he deserved security. That means guaranteed money. Had the Eagles restructured, this was the exact type of deal I would have expected him to get, maybe an extra million guaranteed. He exchanges some salary for guaranteed money. This isn’t you or I working some 9-5. This is football. The chances of any player making it to the end of a contract like DeSean happened is next to nil. So yes his current contract is better because it just put 16M in his pocket today. His contract with the Eagles would have put 10M in his pocket by the end of the season. That’s pretty easy math.

          • Adam G

            That’s not easy math AT ALL. If he played out the Eagles contract he would’ve gotten way more than 6 mil guaranteed over the next two years if he was cut after a year. That argument is so silly it hurts. Maclin has 3.5 guaranteed, so any contract no matter the length that has more guaranteed is better than that? Come on man that’s absurd.

          • Eagles1018

            I heard that long as he was on the roster at the beginning of the season he woulda got 10 mil

          • aub32

            He would have gotten that money throughout the season, and it could be reduced if he went on IR, if I am not mistaken. Cliff may have the details

          • CJ

            wait, you think it isn’t? he was never going to play out the Eagles contract, but even if you’re telling me there was a chance, yes. $16 M guaranteed today, 3 weeks ago his contract had no guarantees.

          • Adam G

            I’m saying if he played one year under his Eagles contract, THEN got cut, it would’ve been far better than his current situation. And its not even close.

          • aub32

            Not if he got injured. Players get injured in the NFL.

          • Eagles1018

            I was actually going off what the article says. But hey I’m not here to argue with a fan of the same team. You people seem to enjoy doing that. I thought we were here for a common cause….

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            16 isn’t up front. Signing bonus is. Rest of guarantee is in salary over this and next year. Semantics, I know.

        • Adam G

          There was no insinuation. He said he deserved a new deal. It doesn’t matter what that was, he by definition complained about his contract. Which is his MO.

          • Jeff Asay

            Just reread a McClane article from Jan 9 just to see if my bad memory was off. Nope. I remember correctly. DJax was asked if he felt he deserved a new deal. He said yes. He said he had confidence that his new agent could work something out with the team. Maybe it’s a fine line, but I think that’s not complaining. I think that’s just acknowledging what everyone knew: there was no more guaranteed money, his cap hit was rising, and he’d just had his best season as a pro. Pretty typical to re-negotiate more guaranteed money for more cap friendly deal.

            I think folks like you who label this as complaining already have an axe to grind with DJax. Only 250k guaranteed in 2014, but the cap hit if he played it out was over 12 million! That 250k is chump change for a guy of his level.

            He just went from 250k to 16million GUARANTEED. Who won here? Without complaining I might add. Just acknowledging his reality from a contract point of view.

          • Adam G

            First day of season that was 10 mil guaranteed, come on.

          • Jeff Asay

            Not true. It pays out weekly. He suffers a career ending injury and they stop paying. Just not true.

          • Adam G

            Dude, you could not be more wrong. Please just stop.

          • Jeff Asay

            You know this how?

          • Adam G

            Its a NFL contract thing. Once season starts you are owed your salary, unless you get arrested or for some other reason don’t show up.

          • Jeff Asay

            Lol! So sure I was right, I’ve been reading the CBA. I’m wrong. For lower round picks, UFA’s, and players with less than three years (two?) service the rules are different. I read these sports rags regularly and thought I understood how it worked. But you are spot on: veteran player active for Game One is guaranteed that entire season’s salary. Eating crow and wiping eggs off my face as I type.

          • Eagles1018

            Oh I agree I was just trying to appease big butt n smile. So awkward to say on a football post with a bunch of dudes

    • jimmiejohn

      Hell also be getting 6 million from the eagles which brings his total to 30 million. So essentially he’ll be getting 10 million a year one way or another

      • Andy124

        I could be wrong, but I think you’re mistaking the 6 mil cap hit for 6 mil that DJ will actually be pocketing.

      • Bullwinkle

        I think he already got the 6 mil as part of his 2012 bonus, but it counts against this year’s cap.

      • travis papa

        No the dead money is signing bonus money that was prorated for the length of the deal. That money counts against the eagles salary cap but has already been paid out. That is why a player’s yearly salary and their cap number are 2 different things. Only money in his pocket comes from Dan Snyder via the Washington redskins

        • Bullwinkle

          He’s probably already spent the 2012 bonus money. It’s amazing how fast some pro athletes can burn money

    • aub32

      Yes but if he pulled a Maclin in training camp then he would have seen very little. His salary would have been reduced while he was on IR, and he would have been released and forced to sign a prove it deal next year. The guy just pocketed 16M upfront. I do think that’s worth something.

  • ceedubya9

    Hope things turn out for the better for all parties involved. Also hope that DeSean continues to find success….except twice during the season of course.

  • Tom w

    Any more contract details? Does washigton have the money to resign rg3 next year? Over under on how many games before rob 3d get hurt?

    • pjcostello

      I thought they only had $7 mil of cap space BEFORE signing Jackson, I don’t know how it’s worked out for them.

  • distantfires

    Great article Tim. Final word.

    • anon

      Unfortunately article doesn’t say “final thoughts”. Good article though.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Please please please please be final damn word

  • Andy124

    But then, find me an NFL roster that has nothing but perfect “culture fits” on it.

    2014 Eagles. :)

    • aub32

      No. We still have to get rid of Mathis first.

      • Andy124

        lol

  • jabostick

    Despite the over-coverage, I’m still sort of shocked that he is gone from the team, nothing in return, and playing for a rival. Seriously, think just six weeks ago how none of this was even considered.

    It’ll be interesting to see if this will be end up as a turning point (for better or worse) in Chips tenure, or just a minor footnote.

    • JofreyRice

      Yeah, this could be a moment where Chip proves his system and offensive attack are bigger than any one talent; which, would be good for the club. Or it could be a Josh McDaniels moment.

      • myeaglescantwin

        this could be the worst mistake in recent Philadelphia history. Second only to drafting Graham over Thomas.

  • macadood

    came up with a wonky scenario as I was waking up this morning.

    What if Jackson was unhappy with Chip and the Eagles at this point and figured he was going to get traded when all the rumors went about and were more or less confirmed. So he went out and did some bad things or talked to some bad people, whatever needed to raise some big red flags on his file from the Eagles detective squad, essentially fabricated the whole story that came out the day he was released, basically forcing the eagles to cut him.

    now he is free to go anywhere he wants, make more money if he can, and not have to deal with being traded. seems like he won out on this.

    • jabostick

      Except that Chip Kelly > Jay Gruden and Pat Shurmur > Sean McVay (I’m assuming lol). Chip was good for DeSean, professionally-speaking.

    • pjcostello

      No. The red flags were there from 2011, 2012. The Eagles tried trading him last offseason, no takers. Then again this offseason, no takers.

    • CJ

      does Jackson have a hot tub time machine we don’t know about? How did that NJ.com article get written in such a short period of time then? How did he go back and backdate postings on his instagram account? He didn’t start that crap 3 weeks ago, and I still don’t think it’s related. I think it more like we didn’t get $#@$ when we offered him during the league meetings, and now this is out? So much for trading him.

      • macadood

        lol hot tub time machine. Well he may have been playing the long con all along, I doubt it though. More so just recently faked doing something rash that wasn’t officially even released to the public that made the Eagles organization say enough is enough.

        Personally I just think Chip didn’t like him.

  • MaclinFan

    Now that he’s signed, it’ll be interesting to see if he has any disparaging remarks about the Eagles or Chip.

    • MaclinFan

      Anyone else think it’s odd that… Chip supposedly gave DeSean some reassurances last Tues/Wed (as evidenced by DeSean’s “Winner!” twitter post). But when DeSean got released and thereafter, he said nothing negative about Chip or the Eagles (in fact, he thanked them)? If my boss told me my job was safe and then released me three days later, I’d be pretty upset, but he had nothing but good things to say in his official statement. Might it be that Chip told DeSean the “real” reason they’re trying to trade him/release him and DeSean is A-OK with it?

      • Uncle Wonder

        I think its more likely that he just muzzled his mouth…what wld it benefit him to badmouth the FO? especially in the situation he was in?

      • Jarrod

        Actually Kelly told him to ignore the media and focus on football and everything would work itself out. Not much reassurance there IMO

        • MaclinFan

          If that was all that Kelly told him, I don’t see how/why DeSean would have tweeted the pic of him and Kelly as if they were now best buddies. Just saying that it’s odd that prior to the Chip/DeSean conversation, there was so much chatter from DeSean’s camp (i.e., sources close to DeSean) saying that DeSean didn’t know where he stood and hasn’t received a call from Kelly. Then Kelly calls, and everything is hunky-dory. Then, after the release, the sources go radio-silent and there’s no mention of any bad blood or hurt feelings between the DeSean camp and the Eagles. From someone as emotional as DeSean and from his camp that tends to leak a lot of information, it’s just surprising that not one of the sources has said anything negative about the way the Eagles handled this.

  • Andy

    I wish him the best except when he suits up against the Eagles.

    • aub32

      Unfortunately I think that’s when he will play his best ball. DJax has always been a guy geared up to play division foes and feed off of bulletin board material.

      • Token

        DeSean against the NFC East.

        Average against Skins (11 games):
        2.9 rec
        52 yrds
        0.5 TDs/gm

        Cowboys (10 games):
        3.6 rec
        67.4 yrds
        0.1 TD/gm (only has 1 TD in 10 games)

        Giants (11 games):
        4.5 rec
        75.5 yds
        0.4 TDs (4 total)

        Total against NFCE (32 games):
        3.7 rec
        64.9 yds
        10 total TDs

        • Andy124

          Pretty gaudy numbers against the Giants. Overall numbers come out to 1,040 yards and 5tds on 60 catches over a 16 game season.

          • Adam G

            Oh, right on par with his career averages, you don’t say.

          • Andy124

            Almost exactly.

          • Token

            I cant think of another Eagle off the top of my head that has had more myths made up for him. Years of the “he makes everything work” or “he opens up the whole offense” type talk. etc etc etc….. It was really necessary to do it in order to defend a guy that often disappeared when you needed him the most. Using numbers often didnt make a very good pro Jackson argument. So you had to use things that cant be quantified.

            I feel he is a good player that has been blown out of proportion.

            I really believe Jackson is closer to a Torrey Smith then he is a Calvin Johnson. Good not great. A large portion of people seem to believe hes closer to the latter.

            Hes good. Thats not a insult. But hes far from irreplaceable. As I wrote a few days ago, I think the offense could potentially be better in his absence.

            Now what WR are they gonna get in the first two rounds?

          • Andy124

            I cant think of another Eagle off the top of my head that has had more myths made up for him.

            Not even last year’s baccup quarterbacc?

          • Adam G

            It’s very easy to say these things because you can’t disprove them. Makes it very easy.

          • Will

            Mike Evans Go Eagles spot on Token…

          • A Roy

            And those are pretty good stats for your #2 receiver…

        • CJ

          there goes Token again, always letting the facts get in the way of a good argument.

          However, I doubt those NYG #s count the punt return

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      F that. He’s a Redskin. Him doing well helps them. F them all.

  • Republicans_Sux

    Aren’t you people tired of this… The guy is gone. Move on!

    • Eagles1018

      Agreed. T-Mac and Sheil can we please talk about players currently on the team. Or who we plan to bring in

    • Coatesvillain

      It’s the biggest story involving the team. They wouldn’t be doing their job if they just stopped talking about it.

  • PhiEagles14

    Can’t wait to see Mac and ERTZ make us completely forget about this, come September

  • PhiEagles14

    Next year, first game between the Eagles and Redskins, I’m placing a wager. Before halftime, Carry Williams and DJax get into a fight! It’s gunna happen!

    • Javi Echie

      That’s def one Desean would lose, Cary is a psycho at times and I like that lol. Hopefully djax has some crip teammates over there to help him.

  • Will

    Deadskin DeSean Who?

  • Ray

    This is one of the single dumbest moves I have seen a front office make in a long time.

    1) Why not trade him, even if it’s for a bag of sticks, to a rival somewhere else? You have single-handedly made your team worse and a rival’s better.
    2) Why release him now, in the off-season, giving a rival a solid 3 months to figure out how to use him?
    3) Why release him with such ambiguity? It makes the front office look clueless. I don’t care if you are sitting on some information and your lawyers told you to say nothing. COME OUT AND SAY THAT YOUR LAWYERS TOLD YOU TO SAY NOTHING. At least that gives you some credibility.
    4) What others are saying (about Riley Cooper) is fair – you are leaving yourself open to this criticism by your decision to stay mum.

    All in all, we have hit a low, organizationally. I don’t argue with jettisoning people – it’s part of the game and I never cared for Desean’s antics – but the manner in which it was done raises issues about whether this organization really thinks things through fully.

    • Will

      They have been trying to trade him for a year …Not one of the other 31 teams in the NFL was willing to pay 10.5 million a year for DeSean and give up a 3rd RD pick. The Eagles certainly were not ever gonna pay him that. On top of that DeSean for all his talent can not block CB’s, DeSean weighs 175 lbs. The WR CK wants will eventually be 6’5″ 231 lbs. so he can block, catch balls in traffic, be a red Zone threat and beat man coverage all day long…

    • Javi Echie

      Couldn’t disagree more. Hit a low organizationally are you kidding?. If anything we are at all time high with the good coaching staff and quality players in place. You can feel how you want about the Desean situation but that is in no way saying the organization is at a low.

      • peteike

        ya, more fans of players than of teams will always go that route. A rebuilding team that found a quality QB and coach and made the playoffs in year 1 is fantastic by all accounts regardless of this move.

        • Javi Echie

          Agreed 100% brotha

      • Ray

        You gotta admit getting NOTHING for a player in his prime, signed for several more years is not great poker.

        • Adam

          No team wanted to take DeSean on at his current price. Trade wasn’t an option, especially after teams found out they were going to cut him.

          • Ray

            I realize that but we should have never showed our hand that we were going that route. It became an easy choice for teams at that point. The Browns would have offered something for him – we should have played it as a salary issue so he wasn’t seen as damaged goods.

            Oh well – I am ready to boo the hell out of him next time, just wanted us to maximize our options.

    • Harpy Eagle

      1) In order to trade him there has to be another party willing to make the trade. They tried and there wasn’t.
      2)To give the player the best chance at future success? To avoid the never ending distraction keeping him would cause? or maybe because the last time he went through a season unhappy he admitted to doggin it the whole season. Take your pick.
      3)Would it have really been better for them to say they released him because he wasn’t worth the money and because he had a questionable work ethic, had issues with authority, did not take instruction well, liked to take plays off when his number wasn’t called? No, saying nothing was best in this case.
      4)This had nothing to do with off field stuff. So let compare him to Cooper. Cooper was a hard worker on the field and in studying film. Cooper took instruction well and was willing to do whatever was asked of him. Cooper made a strong effort when asked to block. Cooper finished his routs even when his number wasn’t called. Cooper continued to play until the whistle every play. None of that can be said about Jackson.

      And No I am not anti Jackson and own his jersey. I am against the lack of effort he would continually display on the field and can see why Chip would want to go in another direction.

  • Stuart Philp
    • Javi Echie

      Now that right there was funny.

  • Honest_T

    Richard Sherman is in MMQB displaying his ignorance and making everything about race.

    Once and for all, to everyone trying to make a Cooper-DJax connection…there is no similarity in the 2 situations, period. Jason Peters was arrested last off-season (something neither Coop nor DJax accomplished) and was awarded a new contract, that too has no bearing on Desean, but no one ever brings that up, only Cooper because they want to make a race argument.

    No one has the facts, but everyone has an opinion.

    • Javi Echie

      Sherman is just a loud mouth idiot who in reality is a big softy according to multiple students that went to Stanford. His opinions count towards nothing but entertainment.

      • The Legend

        As they say in Russia, “A baboon can’t see his own shiny ass so he laughs at other baboons’ asses.” lemme guess you went to Stanford U as well except “loud mouth idiot who in reality is a big softy” is a superbowl champ and you’re merely a fan. Kudos to you Javi Echie.

        • Javi Echie

          Yea I’m merely a fan and he is a super bowl champ congrats you are really good and stating the obvious, no I didn’t go to Stanford I just read excerpts of what students that know him say and oh f*ck Russia

    • Uncle Wonder

      -___-

      Peters was essentially arrested for drag racing in the street. You really wanna make tht comparison?

      • ochospantalones

        Jason Peters was arrested for drag racing and resisting arrest. He also had a 2011 arrest for disturbing the peace, though that one sounds like pure BS. DeSean Jackson was arrested for tinted windows and a small amount of weed 5 years ago, which sounds an awful lot like driving while black to me. Drag racing and then fleeing the police at over 100 miles per hour is a hell of a lot more dangerous than tinted windows and weed. I’ll take DeSean’s side on that one.

    • kyle wilson

      Actually, he didnt make “everything about race.” The point he was attempting to make is that whether people are willing to admit it or not…..race sometimes plays a factor in the way punishment is meted.

      Some people wanna deny that race ever plays a part in anything…..”oh, you’re playing the race card” nonsense.

      Your opinion is your opinion…..Richard Sherman’s opinion is that race factored into the team’s handling of the 2 situations. His information and perspective into locker room dynamics in the NFL are likely to be more accurate that some guy posting on a blog.

      • Adam

        Because Richard Sherman has any clue what is going on within the Eagles organization. Please, stop.

        • kyle wilson

          You’re right,,,,he knows nothing. The posters on Birds 24/7 clearly have better information and insight.

          • Adam

            Oh my god. This comparing the DeSean situation to Cooper is stupid as shit. He is completely wrong on this having anything to do with race or alleged gang ties. This was a football move plain and simple.If the Eagles really have something against black players with legal troubles or troubled passed, why were the first team to sign Vick straight out prison and then signed him again for $100 million dollar deal? Why is Jason Peters and LeSean McCoy still on the team even though they’ve had legal trouble in the past? Juqua Parker, Akeem Jordan, Mike Patterson, Stacey Andrews and King Dunlap all had brushes with the law but weren’t kicked off the team because of it.

        • Uncle Wonder

          Ill bet you his assumption of what is goin on in the Eagles org is more accurate and valid than anybody posting on this board lol

        • HowieDon’tKnow

          He might actually be in contact with players who are actually dealing with our half-witted FO unlike the rest of the folks on this board.

          • Adam G

            Actually?

    • Honest_T

      Sherman’s article basically says “yes, DJ has people accused of murdering children on his payroll, but he is from a bad neighborhood and we all know people like that. Still, you can’t judge him without knowing him. However, I will judge Riley Cooper and the Eagles organization to be a racist on the same circumstantial evidence I condemn others for using to judge DJax.”

      If you want to have a discussion about racial attitudes, great, in fact I applaud it. But this desire to pit DJax against Cooper, while ignoring Peters got in trouble and was awarded a large extension, undermines the argument. If you are saying don’t judge without all of the evidence or personal knowledge of DJax, you can’t turn around and judge Cooper. Sherman does the exact thing to Cooper he condemns everyone else for doing to DJax.

      People want to turn the fact that DJax has personal and business relationships with gang members and accused child murderers, into a racial argument. I think it is about bad judgment on his part. Bias impacts any decision, but it isn’t necessarily a racial bias. My issue is that After making a cogent point about what I’m sure is a difficult situation that effects many players, Sherman undermines it by using the same shallow logic.

    • PhillySean

      Race didn’t prevent Vick from getting a second chance with the NFL. Did Sherman acknowledge that? If Cooper had been cut for his inexcusable behavior, would Sherman have voiced criticism of the Eagles for giving up so easily on Cooper after taking a chance on Vick?

      I’m not trying to bash Vick. It’s been a pleasure to see that he has matured immensely and I wish him well. I raise the topic if his second chance in Philly because you can’t justify simplifying the DJax situation down to race if you include Vick in the conversation.

  • Dave
  • Gambe06

    First, enough with the constant stories about this. Move on.
    Second, I’m glad your ‘loocker room culture’ is ‘better’ now Chiptator. I really hope that means a playoff win since your ‘system isn’t predicated on one player’. In my humble opinion talent + O system + defense wins a title. Its a balance. The fact is, as of right now the eagles offense is worse and the redskins offense got better, because of this one move. One can argue the *amount* of better and worse, but it’s a fact based on numbers and many professionals opinions. The eagles cut a very productive WR in Chips system, that can take the top of the D, simply because they didn’t like his attitude. There is no other WR on the team or in the draft that can do that this year that I know of. So, we’ll see if it can be replaced, and if that new WR is crystal clean with zero attitude. Win a playoff game and all this goes away. Its that simple.

    • Javi Echie

      Plenty of speedsters in the draft that chip can use the same way as he used desean so I wouldn’t say that.

      • Gambe06

        And their all rookies. How is that close to the same? Plus are they all clean, bland, no attitude scholars? I’m already mostly over this but if the eagles don’t improve on last year this is one reason why. I mainly don’t like how the ‘gold standard’ FO (including Chip) handled this entire situation.

        • Javi Echie

          It would be nice for them to release some kinda statement but until then I feel where you’re comin from

      • aub32

        There are plenty of speedsters every year. There aren’t DeSeans every year. How hard is it to understand that speed does not mean a guy can play WR.

        • Javi Echie

          So let me rephrase my comment. There are plenty of speedsters that are really good wide receivers in the draft. How hard is it for you to understand that he will be replaced plain and simple and the fact that he wasn’t gonna be on the team next year anyways with his contract number.

          • aub32

            Replacing him is easier said than done. DHB was a good WR before the draft. Stephon Hill. There are countless WRs that are great before they get into the NFL. Please remind me how many guys drafted since DeSean put up his production. He isn’t top ten, but he was a #1 WR. Every WR drafted doesn’t become that. Maclin still hasn’t become that.

          • Adam G

            Shows your extensive knowledge. DHB was a horrrendous reach by Oakland who was a workout warrior. Had 600 yards his last year in college. Is that good? Hill had 1250 TOTAL yards in his college career. At least look up stats before spouting nonsense.

    • anon

      skins also got andre roberts, forgot about that

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        They have the T-Cup receiving crew

  • Token

    So we are assuming Evans isnt a option. I do have to say, as much as I like Evans, if they would trade up to say 15 and Evans and Barr are both there I have to take Barr. Pass rsuhers are harder to come by and not as deep.

    So anyway, whose the next target? Im ruling out Cooks and Beckham. Just think Chip wants a big frame and there are plenty to choose. So what are guys I should watch? JRice mentioned Allen Robinson before and I did like some of his tape after looking at it. Ive seen enough of KB to know I dont want him. Makes no sense to draft a high pick WR that has to fight his hands.

    What if they wait til like the 5th round to fill the WR spot with some Oregon 2nd teamer?

    • Javi Echie

      I’d def grab the pass rusher as well over a wideout. Allen Robinson would def be an option as would Jordan Mathews. Waiting to the 5th round for an Oregon special teamer would def piss me off lol

      • Token

        Im thinking if Evans is indeed not the guy then they will wait til the 2nd. So its a matter of who will still be around. Robinson maybe. I have heard Matthews and Moncreif a lot. Still havent got around to watching them.

        Its a little scary, the waiting til the 5th round scenario. Because I could certainly envision that happening.

        • Javi Echie

          Yea I agree with you brotha Robinson and Mathews are def 2nd rounders and are both really good, Robinson did good without a good qb and Mathews played did his thing in the SEC so nuff said about that. Moncreif I do like a lot I think we can get him in the 3rd round.
          I honestly can def see them doing some 5th round bs like that to and grabbing another casey Mathews clone from Oregon..ughh I don’t wanna think bout that nonsense.

    • peteike

      after watching some tape on Allen Robinson I love the guy, hope we can snag him in rd 2 if he lasts.

      • Token

        Really seems to do things well that they like to do. Seen him really do well on bubble screens, follow his blockers well. Good hands. Really could have been even more productive, saw multiple time his QB just sucked and blew some plays. But hes not from Oregon or the Pac12 sooooo I dunno.

        • peteike

          ya, great hands and size and jump ball ability, whats not to like. Guess the only potential downside is lack of speed and not getting separation at the next level. I think you gamble a bit on big WRs but he just seems like the real deal to my expert GM eyes.

    • Uncle Wonder

      I think all things considered, trading out of the 1st is our best options…if the draft is really deep as everyone thinks that might be easier said than done.

    • ian

      Why not Marquise Lee out of USC. Fits the scheme, Kelly knows what he can do, etc. I am guessing he is available at the pick. He has size, good hands and can block. That is my guess.

      • Javi Echie

        I wouldn’t be mad with Lee at all

  • Will
    • Richard Colton

      The question isn’t “why?” it’s “how?”

      • peteike

        ya not sure why hes always brought up. I think its highly unlikely they have any chance of getting him. Hey, thanks for your service, saw you on twitter. And a teacher no less, my wife teaches, much respect.

        • Richard Colton

          thanks Pete – thats why I disappear for 45 minutes at a time

      • Will

        Hey it’s the draft so if he falls a bit out of the top 6 we have a shot…it’s a crap shoot…a little luck, a little Howie magic and a trade partner would help…

      • cliff henny

        i’m on it, hold your horses! you guys are taking care of my bail money, right?!

  • Leegles

    For all those who want to move on from the Desean conversation, simply stop reading and posting under the articles. Every time they post a new article they get 500+ comments, so it makes sense for them to milk it and make as much ad $$$ as possible. It’s great for Sheil and Tim, and we all love this blog, but they’ll stop with the new DeSean articles if everyone stops commenting.

  • Gambe06

    That’s another issue I have with this release. Now the eagles have to take a wr early. This is after getting basically none of the 3/4 people they targeted or should have targeted in free agency. Correct if I’m wrong but I’m order to run a 3/4 D one needs players that fit in the 3/4 scheme. They still have plenty of players that don’t really ‘fit’ the 3/4. And that transition may suffer if they spend a early pick on a wr. But hey, everybody is happy in the locker I guess.

    • Javi Echie

      deepest wide receiver class in years so no need to take one in the first round

      • Gambe06

        But what if they do. Or in the 2nd or 3rd when good pass rushers, DBs, or LBs are sitting there.

        • Javi Echie

          Well lets just hope they stick to BPA then

          • Gambe06

            Here’s to hoping. But now they need a wr as much as 3/4 D players. lol

          • MaclinFan

            Remember, Howie said they feel there’d be good WR value at every round. If WR is BY FAR the best value at #22 (say Mike Evans), they may go for it, but otherwise I think they wait to the later rounds. In Oregon, Chip never had best-in-class WRs so I bet he believes his offense can work with someone “less touted” (Exhibit A = Riley Cooper) that they can find in later rounds. If there’s a tie in BPA value, i think they go for D first.

    • Kev_H

      I don’t think they necessarily have to target a WR early, but they probably will and it will be best for the team overall. The draft is supposed to be deep in WRs. If they do it right they’ll get a good one who can contribute for the next 5 years with three of them under a rookie contract. Generally, if one draft is strong at a position, the next couple are weak, so in the bigger picture, they are better off drafting a WR or WRs from this strong class and basically taking 3-5 years of discounted Mike Evans, Brandon Cooks or whoever over 3-4 years of overpaid and aging Desean Jackson, a player who had been declining for 4 straight years until Chip Kelly came around.

  • MaclinFan

    Another perspective is that it was very unlikely that DeSean was going to be back in 2015 since Foles, Cox, Kendricks, Boykins contracts would be up for extensions and Desean’s cap hit was still going to be $10M. So Eagles needed to develop talent now to replace his productivity. If the FO didn’t think we had a reasonable chance at a SuperBowl this year, then it makes sense to begin rebuilding now and see what Chip’s offense can do without a 4.3 burner at WR. Add in the fact that DeSean was not a locker room leader, his 2014 $10.5M salary, and that he wasn’t going to help any younger receivers develop, and it becomes more reasonable to get rid of him this year. I’m not saying that the Eagles are stronger without him offensively, but if he wasn’t going to be here in 2015, then starting the rebuilding effort in 2014 makes sense from a long-term benefit POV.

    • Javi Echie

      I like where your heads at with this comment.

    • aub32

      Cox won’t get extended next year. He’s still making 1st round money. He will need one heel of a season to get the Eagles to extend him.

      • MaclinFan

        Cox’s rookie contract is up after this year, so it’s either resign him or let him walk. Last year was his first in the 3-4 so we’ll see if he improves this year. But I don’t see them letting him walk unless he has a horrendous year, in which case no one else will want to sign him either and we’ll be able to sign him for cheap on a “show me” contract (I’m looking at you Nate Allen).

        • Adam

          Fletcher Cox was drafted in 2012 and signed to a 4 year deal. He’s under contract till after the 2015 season.

          • MaclinFan

            Thx for the correction. You’re right, he signed a 4-year so he won’t be a FA, but he falls under the same 3-year non-negotiation period that Foles is in. If Cox has a good year, I’m sure Eagles will look to lock him up.

        • aub32

          HAHAHA you led in with being incorrect. The Eagles obviously aren’t just giving away money. Cox will need a top 5 year to warrant an extension. Cox won’t be hard to give a second contract. He’s not a top 15 DE.

  • Kev_H

    I understand it is the job of these sites to stir the pot but here are the realities. Based on what transpired, not one NFL team was willing to have Jackson under the terms of his Eagles’ contract, a contract that Jackson was unhappy with. I highly doubt he would have happily agreed to the deal he just signed if it was offered by the Eagles. It does give him a little more security, so he might take it but would still feel shortchanged.

    From that perspective, their decision feels like a no brainer. McManus writes about managing poor fits in the context of a strong overall locker room. What he’s missing is that a vet in his 7th year and your highest paid player isn’t a bit part to be managed, he is a tone setter almost by default. I also think that it is about more than kumbaya, let’s all get along, it’s about wins and losses. Rich Gannon read a note he received from a coach and opined on NFL Radio Monday morning about the importance of player leadership within each position group and that teams who overlook that inevitably under achieve and sit around scratching their heads wondering why.

    But, even ignoring fit, all should be able to agree that: 1. Jackson wasn’t happy with his Eagles’ contract, 2. No team in the NFL thought he was worth what was left on that contract to them, 3. If the Eagles redid his contract they would have had to pay him even more. So unless you are proposing that the Eagles should have extended him and pay him even more than what the entire NFL deemed as too much already, you should be 100% on board with what they did, because that is the only chance– and I think it would be only a chance, not a certainty— that things would work out with Jackson and the Eagles.

  • Will

    Sheil is in for a tough battle the vote is 478 tie if you haven’t voted please go support Sheil…

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  • phillylove21

    Honestly think we should trade out of the 1st because around the 3rd round we’ll find good talent and possibly steals.. Terrance Brooks FS in the third.. Or even his teammate Christian Jones( we need to get Ryans out of nickel).. I don’t see anything Buchanan in the 2nd round can do that Terrance brooks in the 3rd round can’t do.. And take KVN in the 2nd or Davante Adams.. Leave us with 2 4th round picks.. Another receiver and possibly an offensive guard.. M.O.

    • MaclinFan

      Perhaps not all the way out of the 1st. Going from 22 to something in the mid 20s (CLE @ 26) or 30 (SF) should net us a couple more picks and still keep us in the 1st round. I remember reading that SF had a bunch of picks because of the compensation they received for losing FAs.

      • MaclinFan

        Here are SF’s picks. how’s about #30 (1st) and #94(3rd) and #129 (4th) for our #22. That comes to within 10 ‘points’ using the draft point chart from http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

        1. First round – No. 30 overall
        2. Second round – No. 56 overall (from the Kansas City Chiefs)
        3. Second round – No. 61 overall
        4. Third round – No. 77 overall (from the Tennessee Titans)
        5. Third round – No. 94 overall
        6. Third round – No. 100 overall (compensatory)
        7. Fourth round – No. 129 overall
        8. Fifth round – No. 170 overall
        9. Seventh round – No. 242 overall (from the New Orleans Saints)
        10. Seventh round – No. 243 overall (from the Carolina Panthers)
        11. Seventh round – No. 245 overall

        • GEAGLE

          Rip your trading chart up…..picks are too valuable this year…you probably ain’t getting more than a 3rd in this draft to trade back to 30

          • MaclinFan

            Question is — what is SF going to do with all the guys they make with these picks? Do they have enough room/holes on their roster to keep 11 new guys? Could make more sense for them to package picks and move up to get better prospects since they can’t keep quantity on their roster.

          • GEAGLE

            No, they definitely don’t have enough roster spots…they will have to package some moving up…and I’m sure they wouldn’t mind converting few into 2015 picks, for example, trade them a 2015 2nd round pick for a 3rd and a 6th in this draft…I’m sure they spend a few on injured kids like Colvin and stick them on IR….but they definitely have pics to spend

          • cliff henny

            seeing pics listed is just obscene. hope Kaep stays stuck in nuetral, and gets 20m.

          • GEAGLE

            Really hoping we trade them a 2015 second or 3rd rounder to get one of their extra picks this year….OBSCENE doesn’t begin to describe it…they will just continue to exploit the system…they have so many picks they will always convert a few into future picks, if they continue to draft and develop well, they will continue to be able to let Goldson,Whitner caliber players walk in free agency, sign expensive deals and end up getting high compensatory picks…it’s ridiculuos what an amazing position they are in

          • MaclinFan

            i like the idea of trading 2015 picks for this year’s picks. Ton of juniors coming out this year, which means next year’s draft will be shallower.

          • MaclinFan

            If the 3rd rounder is #77, that’d work in the Eagles favor :) per the chart

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t mean the chart isn’t important, but whatever the chart says, I’d subtract some value from and we prob get a better idea of what we can get in a trade…but I don’t mean to down play it. Because ANY EXTRA pics we can get in this draft is a SCORE….

        • cliff henny

          forget the 30th, what does both 2nd and 2 3rds get us to points wise. really have to hope they keep messing up drafting. some point they wont, margin for error is too great. that’s insane amount of picks

          • phillylove21

            What’s even crazier…. If they were to keep all these picks, about 4-5 could possibly be steals and contributors..

          • MaclinFan

            the 2 seconds and 2 thirds get you to about 950 pts. Our #22 pick is worth about 780. It’d be AMAZING to get 4 picks out of our #22 but I don’t think that happens without sacrificing something in 2015 as GEAGLE proposed, which would be fine with me.

          • cliff henny

            2nd later 2 3rds and 4th? if i’m SF, doing something like that. still leaves them with glutiny of picks

          • MaclinFan

            56, 77, 94, 100 would be approx equal to our #22 per the chart.

          • cliff henny

            SF gets 2 1st rdrs, still has 2nd 3rd and 5th, eagles get nice return and hope kelly’s knowledge of college pans out. SF has had a loaded board last 2 drafts, really havent done a lot with it. know they NFL red-shirted couple guys, so jury is out. could still do that again this draf, have a pretty loaded roster. take some guts from both sides, but if Barr or Evans isnt there, i’m on board.

        • GEAGLE

          I want the 77th pick for our 2015 2nd round pick

      • phillylove21

        Why not? There’s teams in the beginning of the 2nd round that gives up there 34th-40th pick to get back into the 1st which means we could possible receive a 3rd and a 5th or 6th round pick.. But if there’s a great talent at 22, PULL THAT TRIGGER!

      • GEAGLE

        There is really no difference between the 30th pick and the 40th…might as well trade as far back as teams let us

        • phillylove21

          Agreed

          • GEAGLE

            What Needs to happen is:
            ..
            Trade #22 down to like #40,’get an extra 3rd and a 5th or 6th

            Trade a 2015 2nd round pick for an extra 3rd rounder in this draft
            ….
            Trade Graham for a 6th…leaving us with something like:
            Two picks in round 2
            Three picks in round 3
            One 4th
            Two 5ths
            6th
            7th
            ….
            Then hopefully you can trade back 10 spots with your 4th or 5th rounder to get a few extra 6th or 7ths….and get as many young athletes as we can to add more competition at training camp…

          • GEAGLE

            We may not have a first round pick, and we would lose our 2nd next year(trade back from our first rounder next year and replenish that lost pick)…but we could add crazy talent/depth all over the place like
            #2)Nix/Tuitt (around the #40)
            #2) KVN (#53) ILB/OLB
            ..
            3) Jordan Mathews WR
            3) Donte Moncrief WR
            3) Marcus Smith OLB
            ..
            4) Antione Exum CB
            ..
            And hopefully we can trade BG, and trade back a few times to get like 5 kids between rounds 5-7

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Man, I suggesting trading a 2nd rounder in 2015 a month or so ago and got crushed for the “mortgaging the future” bs.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t believe in trading our first….but I don’t mind trading a 2nd or 3rd if we are projecting to pick in the 20s next year…but if we do trade away a 2nd or 3rd next year, then I would try to trade back from our first round pick next year to try and recoup the pick we traded away….but if we trade next years 1st, there is no way we can get that back….keep the first rounder’ and ATleast you have a shot at recouping the second or third rounder you traded away….smell me? You feel me flow?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            That’s pretty much exactly how I look at it. If we could trade the 2nd in 2015 for a 3rd this year, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading down still this year. I’d try for CLE, so we don’t drop too far but get an extra 3rd or 4th.

          • MaclinFan

            Ironic that trading back and getting extra picks was an Andy Reid staple. It’s a great strategy, especially in a packed draft. Problem with AR was that he couldn’t spot talent, which represents a minor flaw in the overall strategy ;)

  • John E. Zang

    I’m so tired of this. I really didn’t care for him before but he’s becoming a hated player for me now. The media makes it seem like they cut Jerry Rice for his Instagram account. He’s a bad teammate and not committed to what he does for a living. I trust Chip evaluating players and he was a bad seed for a team that wants to win together. Have fun catching footballs for the face of Subway. The redskins and cowboys always seem to get all the hype until they are proven losers time and again. He’s not a dominant player and never will be. He shows up every now and again when he faces subpar teams and the coach spends all night planning how to get him the ball. Good riddance!

  • GEAGLE

    Really dude? Takes a lot of balls to casually title it “some thought on Desean”….how much longer can Yous never mind..let me stop

    • cliff henny

      Jax is already breaking Wash in, dropped a joke that RG3 is the owner of Redskins. sure the guy that just cut a 16m check likes hearing that

  • John E. Zang

    It says a lot about him when all he cares about is playing Philly becuause he’s butt hurt. He’s not a winner but a whiner. He’ll probably come back in a year or two with his tail between his legs to play third receiver and punt returner for the league minimum. Go Eagles!

  • John E. Zang

    They’re going receiver in the 1st. It’s probably been their plan all along and another reason they were willing to let him go. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade up to get their guy.

  • Adam G

    Details of the contract came out. Guaranteed money is only in first 2 years. 3rd year is full non guaranteed. He’s actually set to make 8 mil in each year of the contract.

    • Johnny Domino

      So this scenario likely repeats by the summer of 2016?

      • Adam G

        I would guess that the odds are in favor of him getting cut after two years unless 2015 is a really good year for him.

        • Johnny Domino

          And so then begins a series of short stints with lesser teams, spiraling into the abyss.

          • Maggie

            LOL.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Interesting structuring. They have an out after year 2 with only 2.5 dead.

      http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=DeSean%20Jackson&Position=WR&Team=Redskins

    • GEAGLE

      In the ball park of a malcolm Jenkins deal no? Wasn’t he 3yrs 18guarenteed? Don’t even remember his deal

      • Adam G

        Nah, eagles signed him 3/15.5 with 6 guaranteed.

        • GEAGLE

          Oh that’s right…thanks

      • cliff henny

        MJ was 1yr 6m, turns into 2yr 10m, if they want. his 2nd yr does not become guaranteed and only a portion, till 5 days after SB. so if he stinks, eagles walk after 1st yr. a Howie special

        • GEAGLE

          Oh we can get out of it after year one? That’s impressive, considering they contacted him as soon as they were allowed to…we can dispute if it’s a good signing, but I think it’s pretty clear he is who we targeted not someone we settled on…when you can get out of a deal after one year, or the main guy you targeted In free agency is pretty impressive……which is so maddening how we got played and didn’t even get a 7th for D-shawn

          • Max Lightfoot

            I don’t the think the Eagles got played for anything, because they accomplished what they wanted – see last paragraph below.

            The Eagles tried to get any draft pick, any year, from any team – for this guy and failed. Why? Because apparently enough teams believed that compared to this draft load of WRs, Djax was not worth even one draft pick (or even a 7th rounder three years from now) or a dollar more than the amount of say, Maclin’s contract: $3.5 million guaranteed. Except for our pals to the south, the Washington Redskins, who overpaid him at less than $6 million a year.

            And $6 million in dead money? That’s $6 million the Eagles don’t have to spend, and the end result is that they’re still $20 million under the cap, plus they removed a locker room distraction/malcontent/Mr. Bad Example. Plus we can sign two rookie WRs for what – four years less than paying DeSean for one year? Chip, Howie and Jeffy must be happy all around.

            So, if you piss off the head coach and cost a lot of money and/or require heaps of emotional maintenance, you get a one-way ticket off the rooftop catapult. All these teams (except the Redskins and the Cowboys and others w/cap problems) play the money game.

          • cliff henny

            yup, but take a 3.3m dead hit. safe to say it’s 2 yrs 10m contract

  • Will

    So the DeSean story ends…Let’s us as fans get back to the Eagle’s…and have fun trying to figure out are new coach and what he is up too…GOD I Love CK….and am enjoying watching rebuilt this team into an awesome football team and he is just getting started GO EAGLES!

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt it….

    • Explorer51

      So totally agree…

  • GEAGLE

    Yes or No?
    ..
    1)Trade the 49ers our 2015’2nd round pick for the #77th pick in this draft?
    ..
    2)Trade Brandon Graham for only a 6th round pick?

    3)Trade away your 4th round pick for the #18th picks in rounds 5,6 and 7?

    4)Trade our 1st, 3rd and 5th to move up to #11 and secure Evans or Barr?

    • Will

      How bout our 1st this year and next year’s 1st for a 7th-9th pick and grab Chip’s #1 guy on the board and stand pat on the last 5 picks…think CK said he likes to add 6-7 guys a year…

      • GEAGLE

        Two first round picks for one player? I’d do it for Clowney or Greg Robinson…,no one else

    • Javi Echie

      I’d be ok with most of those scenarios I am just not too fond of trading up but wouldn’t be completely apposed to it.

      • GEAGLE

        Ark and Javi…..the first 3 are what I would hope to happen…I’m not down to use 3 picks to move up for a player when we have so little picks in such a quality pick, I just included #4) to see how willing fans would be to go that route…

        • Ark87

          I could be convinced into # 4. But I would feel uneasy.

          • GEAGLE

            say the eagles are fully intent on going to get Barr or Evans…would you guys rather see us trade:
            1) #22, our 3rd and our 5th in this draft
            Or
            2) #22, our first round pick next year and a 7th this year?

          • Will

            Spend next year’s we need all the picks we can get this year not next year this is a better Draft class..

          • Ark87

            I have that fan bias for the flashiness of the 1st round pick. probably take the first option. Would miss that 3 and 5 though hehe.

    • Ark87

      1) hmmmm yes. This year is undeniably loaded. Could be a possible drop-off next year, and we’re pretty desperate for picks this year.
      2) tough one, in light of the recent loss of value fiasco, might as well get some value while we can as long as the coaches don’t see graham in our long term plans.
      3) Given our lack of picks, that is tempting…leaning towards yes.
      4)all culminating in Barr, shew. We definitely need…desperately need a 3-4 pass rusher, but we also need picks. I almost am on board for up to step 3, then step 4, I get antsy about high-investment pass rushers, would almost prefer the extra picks.

    • cliff henny

      trade both graham and Brown for 6th, combined. dont see how either is worth much.

      • GEAGLE

        Rather not trade Bryce…just think there was no point in ever investing in him if we weren’t going to give him the 3rd year to see what he could do….being raw because you switched positions two years ago is one thing. But to have played so little college football, I don’t,think it’s realistic to have expected him to pay off yet….I’d rather give him one more year just to make sure…dude is a talent, rather wait one more year then be wrong about him…and It’s going to be rare that I pound the table to trade away a young talent without giving him two years in the same scheme….

        Just don’t think that extra 6th is worth potentially being wrong about him…rather see how he comes performs in training camp, and if he hasn’t taken a giant step forward you can trade him in the preseason for a 2015 pick

        • cliff henny

          really just hate fumblers. dont care he didnt, and dont care about tiki.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol dude he hasn’t fumbled in like 18 months lol

          • cliff henny

            dont care.

          • GEAGLE

            LESS WEApons!!!!!! Barry Finkle says…..lol
            ….
            I really won’t be surprised if Chip does something whacky like draft RB from Auburn in round two or three….if we take a back early, then might as well unload Bryce for whatever you can get….

            Today, I like Polk more than Bryce. I think Polk is a solid back that I hope we get to keep….but if we have to unload a RB at this point I would prefer unloading Polk, because he doesn’t have the ceiling Bryce has so I don’t have to worry about trading someone away who Blows up….basically, I know what Polk is and will be, a back I like and hope to hold on to….but it can still go a few different ways with Bryce and I’m scared to trade away what I don’t know

          • cliff henny

            fine, he just better not fumble, ever! even drinking bottle of water, better hand it back to waterboy.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahahaha EVER!!! Tell me I have nothing to worry about and Chip won’t draft a RB in rounds two or three?

          • Brazilnut

            Tons of running backs have fumbling problems early in their careers, including AD.

    • Andy124

      no
      yes
      maybe
      no

    • ABirds

      1) Yes, stacked draft this year.

      2) I thought that Graham is only under contract through the rest of this season. That makes it nearly impossible to trade him no?

      3) No, feel more confident about chances of hitting on a 4th round pick than 5th, 6th, or 7th.

      4) No, too much to give up in this draft.

    • oreofestar

      no
      yes
      yes
      maybe

  • K.

    I bet CK is crawled under his bed, not wanting to come out and affront the town of Philly… :D

    • Will

      BS…he’s getting ready for off season work outs, doing private work outs with Draft prospects and getting ready for the draft….are OG Mathis got quiet about more $ haven’t heard anything….CK is running a tight ship…lol…wonder if there are any more Pro days work outs?

      • Maggie

        While on the subject of all quiet on the Eagles front, and tight ships, I am a little curious about Avant. Not one word. Hmm.

        • Will

          Wow good dude always liked him…

          • Maggie

            Wonder if he shows up in the pre-season as a coaching intern?

        • Brazilnut

          I still see him eventually going to the Chiefs, but I would love for him to come back to the Eagles in a coaching capacity.

  • Rahkem

    Get me Odell Beckham Jr. and all will be forgiven , that guy is gonna be EXTREMELY productive in the NFL. Unless a safety is on the board im okay with reciever as long as we dont reach for Kelvin Benjiman.

    • Will

      yeah really combine next year’s picks with this year’s and go get Evans, Barr and Bucannon this year…

  • cliff henny

    Next Weds is LSU’s pro-day. bet Chip Howie Gamble et all will be front and center

    • Will

      I like their DT Anthony…

      • cliff henny

        like everyone! when going shopping for freak athletic pro prospects, that’s the Fresh Market of colleges

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t like him

        • Will

          Geagle brace yourself new story DJax had a press conference..

          • GEAGLE

            Are you talking about the conference call, or he also had a press conference?

          • Will

            The new story here on 24/7 by Tim Mcmanus with DJax comments…

    • GEAGLE

      Forgot to tell you…Walterfootball doesn’t know of some connection between us and LSU like a few of us speculated….don’t know how that hack managed to Mock Logan to us in the 3rd for so many weeks in a row…..but he doesn’t know of any connection between us and LSU….because a few weeks ago he said we would be choosing between Lee and ODB, and he went with LSU because of our PAC 12 connection….if he knew of an LSU connection with us, he woulda mocked ODB to us Instead of going the lazy PAC connection route

      • cliff henny

        brace yourself for Lee, guy went 20/350/3 in 2 games against Kelly.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m aware of it and can’t disagree with it very possibly becoming a reality….but I won’t Be happy it

  • Maggie

    (Something tells me the NFL, which is expected to release the 2014 schedule at the end of the month, will have Jackson’s return to Philly prominently featured.)
    Good, more games in prime time or at least national so we can see on the West coast.

    • cliff henny

      probably, since they are guaranteed to play every year

  • Anthony Fryckberg

    If you look at the terms of the contract (via Sportrac), it’s basically a 1 year/$8M contract with NOTHING guaranteed after year one. His base salary guarantees after the first game in years 2-3 ($3.75M/year) but he’s basically week-to-week with roster bonuses for the 2015-2016 seasons. Not exactly a contract that shows a team has confidence in an athlete.

    • cliff henny

      11.75m dead money says he get’s 2nd yr.

    • barneygoogle

      Does any of this mean we get out of the dead money for him on our salary cap this season?

  • PrincetonGreen

    We were never going to get DeSean’s contribution on the field this year anyway. Before he was “humbled” he was going to hold out for more guaranteed money. So the choice was never going to be “same as last year, plus having Maclin back” – it was among 3 options:
    1) Keeping him on the roster with his current contract, leading to him holding out, or dogging it on the field and getting benched
    2) Paying him more, setting a terrible precedent for the whole team and risking a major cap headache as Foles, Cox, Kendricks, Maclin, etc., all come up for new contracts next year
    3) Kicking him to the curb before he can become a distraction to the program

    With those as the 3 choices, I think it is pretty clear that the Eagles stayed true to their principles of trying to do what would give us the best football team, not just this year, but for the next 5-10 years.

  • Explorer51

    Can we move on now? What else could possibly be said, pro or con? I’m an Eagles fan, I don’t really care about other teams’ press conferences.

  • robo40

    C’mon, let’s not contribute to the overhype. This was a calculated professional move, not steering either into or out away from a pylon (or diving short of the pylon and fumbling).

  • joeknowsnada

    Funny thing about the Sherman rant. None of the (and I am ignoring “un – named” sources) so-called racist implications have come out of the Eagles’ organization. They have said, almost literally, nothing at all. Sherman assumes that their silence is tantamount to a smoking gun, and they are racist, in that they have not denied that race was a part of this decision. I understand his need to speak from the heart, in that he grew up there, knows the same people, and actually sheds some good light on the whole “you need to give up your old friends” thing, that I think all fans and the Media, and the League, of course, always resort to, when a player from a lower socio-economic background is alleged to have been involved in shady pursuits.
    I disagree with Sherman in one respect – just because someone is there for you, so to speak, and has your back when things are going wrong, does not mean you need to be subservient to THEIR needs. Sherman acknowledges this when he says that some guys are beyond help. Now, the question, of course becomes – was DJax helping them, or just hanging with them?

  • joeknowsnada

    BTW, BDawk says it all, the way it should be said, in his interview, I think.

  • Anne

    Come on Chip, you couldn’t work with Desean to mentor him through the “maturation” process, as Vick calls it. You don’t cut talent like this. It’s just a nonsensical move. Why is Riley Cooper still on the team? Why don’t you just say that you couldn’t handle Desean and didn’t want to pay him. As a strong white woman, I’m offended by the remark about “gang” ties. Really?!?!?! If the Eagles have a terrible fall ’14 season, the blood will be on Chip Kelly’s hands. Say what you want about Reid, but he wouldn’t have done this, plain and simple!! He would never ever ever have cut Desean.