Jackson, Redskins Agree To Three-Year Deal

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The Redskins and DeSean Jackson have agreed to a three-year deal:

Here are initial financial details, although we’ll get a better sense later of what the real money actually looks like:

Much more to come. But Chip Kelly and the Birds will be facing Jackson twice in 2014

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  • Johnny Domino

    Maybe now I will have to embrace insipid draft talk.

    • Richard Colton

      37 straight days of draft talk Johnny, can you handle it?

      • Johnny Domino

        Draft talk – OK
        Trade half the picks 2015-2020 and take 3 first rd WR’s – not OK
        The bourbon helps.

  • ODBorBustAllDay

    I haven’t disliked the Skins for years. The rivalry has suffered. Hopefully this gets it going again. Head down DC for the annual smack down and watch Desean curse out Bob Jr. when they’re down 28 to Foles&Co.

    • cliff henny

      yup. cant believe I was actually rooting for them in ’12. been bad and mostly forgotten for so long

    • Johnny Domino

      Will there be a zip code requirement to purchase Skins tickets ala the Nats?

    • David Griffith

      This is so true, havent hated the skins for soo long forget sometimes they’re the enemy… now everytime RG3 n Djax connect my seething hatred will bubble up a lil bit more lol

    • myeaglescantwin

      Are you kidding?? the Redskins fans were no where to be found for 20 YEARS.. then after one decent season, hundreds of turds were flashing RG3 jerseys and spitting HTTR.. the fans, not the team, leapfrogged cowboys fans on my shit list. it shocked me too.

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        they’ve been so irrelevant I haven’t bothered getting worked up about them for years.

  • ODBorBustAllDay

    I will say that every division team has improved now (however marginally) except Allas (No D). Maybe they’re tanking……. WINLESS 4 WINSTON? ??????

    • oreofestar

      Wonston won’t come out (if he is smart) winless for Mariota :P

    • Johnny Domino

      All things equal, I think Winston wants to play baseball.

  • josephr2225

    Chip, Howie… You two had better know what you’re doing.

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      McNabb

      • Tim Greene

        This is not at all like McNabb…Donovan was done when he went to Washington…DeSean is in his prime he will make a difference for the Skins

        • ODBorBustAllDay

          Not enough to contend with us. I’m not the least bit concerned. We have a total system. Not a collection of players. We’ll frustrate them for the entire 3yrs. If he last that long.

          • ochospantalones

            Their skill position players are now better than ours. Our O-line is better, and our coach is a hell of a lot better, so we should still have a better offense this year. But I wouldn’t be so sure about long term hegemony.

          • TheNest

            Running back-eagles
            Wide reciever-skins(but eagles maclin may be better than garçon and cooper is better than Andre Roberts but I will still give you that
            Tight end- eagles
            Extra weapons-eagles(sproles and ertz

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Reed is a better athlete than Ertz. You can give Ertz the nod for now, but only because he finished the year. Reed had a concussion right as he started gaining traction.

          • Kristopher Cebula

            Birds have two good TE. Washington has one

          • Adam G

            And that TE the skins have is made out of paper mache.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Guy had a concussion. Happens to basically every player at some point in time. I wouldn’t say that makes him fragile. Dudes get popped. Especially those who run across the middle

          • Adam G

            He had other injuries. Had a couple besides the concussion.

          • ochospantalones

            Yeah, I think people need to watch Jordan Reed play, he looks like he could be awesome. The injuries are a concern.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            That’s not a team built for long term success. When you have a QB with a history of knee and concussion issues, with a porous o-line to protect him, a WR in Garcon who’s injury prone. A smallish Jackson who’s learned to avoid contact in order to preserve himself. A bruiser in Alfred Morris who won’t be able to give more than 3-4 years of that physical style. They’re window starts today with this signing, and last about 3 seasons. By that time they’ll either to the top, or the more likely scenario will flounder around .500 for most of that span.
            That’s an extremely fragile bunch. Lets see how Desean’s hammy’s hold up with out sports science

          • Eagles1018

            I agree they’re not built for long term success. Nobody will be thinking about 3 yrs from now if Deseans first game back in Philly he puts up 150 and 2 tds. It will immediately become what did we do wrong. Also if you’re talking about coaching I give more credit to Gruden, plus he’s new so it’s something we won’t be used to stopping. The division title and playoff hopes is officially a three team race. I was already concerned about the giants now the skins.

          • Kristopher Cebula

            I don’t know that their skill position players are better
            Eagles WR Redskins RB
            Eagles TE > Redskins TE

          • Joe from Easton

            Really?

            McCoy > Morris
            Eagles back up RB’s > Redskins back ups
            Eagles TE’s > Redskins TE’s
            Redskins WR > Eagles WR
            Eagles QB > Redskins QB (yes, I’ll take Foles over a one progression guy any day of the week and until proven otherwise that’s all RGKnee is)

          • ochospantalones

            RGIII and Foles are both 3rd year players who had one Pro Bowl season and one wasted season. RGIII was the second overall pick for a reason. If you think Chip Kelly wouldn’t trade Foles for RGIII in an instant you’re nuts.

            Their receivers are much better. DeSean is a 3 time Pro Bowler. Both DeSean and Pierre Garcon had more than 1300 yards receiving last year. Maclin had more than 900 yards receiving once, four years ago. He wasn’t as good as DeSean even before the knee injury. Cooper has had one good season, and is not comparable to Garcon. We have no NFL players at WR beyond the top two (other than special teams players). The Redskins have Andre Roberts and Santana Moss, which isn’t bad for #3 and #4. So their wide receivers are MUCH better than ours.

            Tight ends- Jordan Reed was at least as good last year as Zach Ertz, and they’re both young, improving players. Celek is better than anyone else they have, so advatange Eagles.

            Running backs (back ups) – Our back up running backs suck. So do the Redskins, but the idea that we have awesome running back depth is strange. This one is a push.

            McCoy vs Morris- If you want to say the Eagles have better skill position players, it pretty much all rides on this. The QBs are a slight advantage to the Redskins, the WRs are a huge advantage to the Redskins, and the TEs are a modest advantage to the Eagles. LeSean McCoy is certainly better than Alfred Morris, but it’s not quite as huge a gap as you might think. Morris’ 2012 was just as good on the ground as McCoy’s 2013, and Morris’ 2013 was better as a rusher than McCoy’s 2012. McCoy of course is a dynamic threat as a receiver, which Morris is not.

            Add all that up, I’d say advantage Redskins. You all need to deal with the fact that our current group of receivers is well-below average. We’re counting on a solid #2 receiver coming off a serious knee injury (his second) and another guy who was a solid #2 for one season out of four in his career, with zero depth behind them. Sure we’ll draft someone, but counting on rookie wide receivers is a dangerous game.

          • ochospantalones

            I should say, I think Jay Gruden is a bad coach, so I am not exactly freaking out. But they do have more talent than us at offensive skill positions right now.

          • Richard Colton

            At the WR position, it’s tough to argue with you right now. Good points all around.

          • Adam G

            I think it revolves completely around RG3, if he only improves slightly from last year, Foles is head and shoulders above him, but if he returns to form then the Skins have the advantage.

          • Richard Colton

            Yep. You take the holistic approach and just look at which offense is better, I like ours.

          • Joe from Easton

            I’ve already conceded that the Redskins receivers are better as of now so stop wasting your key strokes.

            McCoy is MUCH better than Alfred Morris and it’s not even debatable. Morris had a flash in the pan year which is pretty common for RB’s. McCoy is twice the threat with the ball in his hands and catching out of the backfield is a plus. Also, in today’s NFL RB depth is huge and the addition of Sproles pushes the Eagles far and away above the Redskins in that category not to mention I’d take BB over Roy Helu all day.

            I agree on TE so again – advantage Eagles.

            As for QB’s I’d say if it were last preseason Chip would’ve traded Vick or Foles for RGIII without a second thought. This year I don’t think he would. Foles had a historic season after a decent showing as a rookie. RGIII had a great season as a rookie and regressed. Those two “wasted years” are vastly different. Chip wants repetitive accuracy and good decision making. RGIII has not shown a propensity to make good decisions. In his rookie year he was one read and run which was fun and all and then lead to him being hurt. In his second year he was one read and can’t run which lead to him being terrible. Let me know when he improves on that and you’ll have an argument. Further, Ryan Leaf was a second overall pick, Tim Couch was a first, Joey Harrington was a third, hell Sam Bowie went ahead of Jordan so what is your point there?

            With all of that said and I know you weren’t speaking to non-skill players, but couple the Eagles players with a MUCH better O-Line in a now familiar scheme and the advantage goes to the Eagles offense, period. O-Line has a lot to do with how all skill position players perform as well so that’s an instant bump for ours before the rest of our speculation even begins.

            In the end, agree to disagree I guess.

          • jt521

            you’re forgetting the game changer: Jeff Maehl.

          • ochospantalones

            How could I forget Maehl! And Damaris Johnson!

            I actually did leave out Sproles, partially because I don’t know how much he has left in the tank and partially because I don’t really know what they plan to do with him. I guess you could include him as our slot receiver, but it still doesn’t close the receivers gap.

          • Amar (India)

            No thanks for making a bad day worse…

          • Richard Colton

            There was a lot of this on ESPN last night. 113 catches is nothing to sneeze at, but a lot of those catches seemed like empty garbage time variety. On paper – Garcon/Jackson looks like a better duo than Maclin/Cooper.

            Here’s what I don’t understand: the love for Al Morris. Plenty of one-year-wonder product of a system running backs in the NFL. What has he done to make anyone think he’s anything else?

          • Andy124

            I agree with you. But I think there are a couple factors that lead others to have more confidence in Morris.
            1) He beat out some other decent backs to become the featured guy. Shanny was never shy about going with a committee when he didn’t have that one guy he liked.
            2) He’s done it for two years, so people are starting to get used to his name being up there.
            3) He’s young.
            4) Watching the tape, he does run with some power and some vision and some discipline. You can see he doesn’t suck. Doesn’t mean he’s a world beater though.

          • Richard Colton

            I actually think Helu is a better back. Good points though. Yeah his stats were down this year; that doesn’t always tell the whole story.

          • Andy124

            I think Royster is their best because I’m biased.

          • Richard Colton

            fantasy? or are you Dutch too? (ethnicity not the former 24/7 village idiot)

          • Andy124

            PSU.

            Random tidbit. It’s a running joke among the PSU faithful how we could never get through a game without the announcers mentioning that Royster was also a great high school lacrosse player. So if I ever mention his lacrosse skillz, it’s not because I know about or care about lacrosse.

          • ochospantalones

            I think after two years it’s probably time to accept he actually does some good things. Andy124 makes good points about why people see value in him. He has a career average of 4.7 yards per carry and 20 touchdowns, and it’s not like they have a great offensive line (aside from Trent Williams) or an air it out offense that is opening up space for him.

            As has been said elsewhere on this board, I do think that as a physical running back he is the sort of guy who will wear down fairly quickly. You probably only get 2-3 more good years out of him.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            And if you look at how Gruden used Gio and the law firm in Cincy last year, I expect that’s how they’ll use Morris and Helu. With Morris doing the banging on 1st & 2nd, Helu on passing downs. It’ll help the kid stay healthy and productive.

            He’s no more a system runner than Shady. That inside zone read is the counter trap of today. He benefits from the threat of Bob running, but he’d be a good runner in any BALANCED scheme. Not a guy who’ll create something from nothing tho.

          • Joe from Easton

            Exactly. He’s a good runner in a balanced scheme. Shady is an elite talent that makes things come from nothing. Morris is no where near Shady’s level.

            I know you didn’t say otherwise, but someone else has and you’re statement is a more focused version of what I was trying to say in my rant, haha.

          • oreofestar

            We beat them at TE and RB and QB I will call a tie depending on how Nick and Robert do, they only beat us at wr

          • ochospantalones

            The size of the disparity at each position and importance of the position both matter. Yeah, our TEs are better because of our depth, but Jordan Reed looks very good, and TE just isn’t nearly as important as the other three positions. Their WRs aren’t slightly better, they are much better: each of their top 4 receivers is significantly better than the Eagles’ analogue (i.e. looking at as #1 vs. #1, #2 vs. #2 etc.). As I said, it’s really all about McCoy. He’s awesome. Maybe that’s enough to overcome the rest.

        • Engwrite

          I agree. And DeSean is a game breaker whether as a receiver or a returner. And he may be primed to beat the Eagles (ie., catch a pass and shove it into Chip’s hands)

    • Tom w

      Owens to Dallas never hurt. Got a feeling this won’t either. Wouldn’t be surprised if they cut him in two yrs

      • David Griffith

        no way on Gods green earth will Snyder and Co. cut what instantly became their best weapon on offense…

        • oreofestar

          Really….eh

        • Tom w

          Umm happens all the time. Chris Johnson gonna get cut this week. By year two djax will be back to his old tricks of being a immature little brat and missing meetings and loafing it in the offseason and cursing off coaches.

          • oreofestar

            With all the guaranteed they have him I expect him to act the same from day 1 he is safe for 2 years

          • damrvrhunter

            Whatever the “same” ends up being.

          • Eagles1018

            Chris Carter. He thanked Buddy Ryan for letting him go because it enabled him to wake up. Don’t think this will be much different.

          • Richard Colton

            If I was a better person, I would probably care about that. DeSean’s personal voyage of self-discovery no longer interest me. The next time I see his mane, I hope its on somebody’s “All Overrated” team.

          • jt521

            or IR list.

          • damrvrhunter

            A red colored -1 for you good sir.

          • jt521

            just messin around.

          • Tom W

            Dont think desean discovers shit. if anything, snyder and the skins just appeased him and looked the other way and paid him. he doesn’t even have to grow up till he is broke again.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Cuz, you just derailed the train. …… What the hell does Chris Johnson have to do with anything? I wouldn’t put him and Desean in the same sentence unless your taking about speed. All that guy had done is tote rock into an 8 man box his entire career because the team around him has sucked his entire tenure in Tennessee. I assume you’re leading to him asking for more money?

          • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

            Chris Johnson is an example of a team cutting their best offensive weapon.

    • Tom w

      If you are scared, get a dog.

    • addicted2mula

      I think Chip, Howie knows what they are doing more then Gruden, and Snyder

      • Kevin

        And if anyone is obsessive about players strengths and weaknesses, its Chip. How Chip and Billy D. play defense against him will tell a lot about what they think his skill set is.

        • addicted2mula

          Exactly and I cant wait to see how.

          • myeaglescantwin

            Nolan Carrol, manned up, locked down. ahhahah

  • G_WallyHunter

    Alright, can this please be the last article with “Desean Jackson” in the “Read More About” section at the bottom of the article? Its over, screw him… 16 mil guaranteed lol there’s something to be happy about.

    Can’t wait to see Kendricks pop him over the middle, anyone else?

    • Richard Colton

      Come on Wally. At a minimum – we’re looking at 1 to 2 draft articles called “Looking for Options to Replace DeSean” as well as 3 articles just on DeSean during “DeSean Week.” Add a few more when we play them the 2nd time “Will DeaSean repeat his _____ performance from week ___?”

      Not to mention the obligatory “How the Eagles fared without DeSean” All22.
      It’s a DeSean blogosphere, my man, we’re just living in it. They write themselves. I will click on every one. Crips for life!

      • G_WallyHunter

        LoL thanks for the great mornin laugh, you know I was thinking exactly this in the back of my mind… Those article titles and all.. all I want to see is desean get lit up by Wolff or Kendricks, all I care of now, screw desean

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        Can you throw up a Crip Set in a red or burgundy Jersey?

        • Richard Colton

          only if you like irony

    • Uncle Wonder

      I think both of us know he isnt goin over the middle

      • Adam G

        I don’t think he’s gone over the middle since Dunta Robinson.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Maybe Gruden doesn’t know any better. Makes me want Deone Buchannon a little more, now.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Hey he did a few times, maybe over a sparse middle, but one can dream

    • Kevin

      Kendricks, Demeco, Barwin (if he goes outside to chip)… It will be fun to watch.
      I am curious to see how the Eagles defense him. Do they line up tight and try to jam him off the line, disrupt routes and timing and hope to get a good jam or do they respect his speed and give a cushion? I think it will be very telling to what Chip really thinks his abilities are.

      • Joe from Easton

        Releasing him already tells you what Chip really thinks his abilities are. Chip is going to have them jam the ever loving sh!t out of him. I don’t know if it’ll work, but that is what Chip thinks of him. No doubt in my mind.

  • Leegles

    Talk about good sportsmanship! The first game of the season last year was way too easy. Eagles felt bad for Washington (not to mention third-rounder Foles turning out way better than #1 overall RG3) — and so the Eagles spotted the Skins their best WR. Meaningful Skins games are good in general for Sunday entertainment come autumn.

  • oreofestar

    As I expected huge signing bonus so they could a fford him which means a nice chunk guaranteed which means if he gets into any trouble they will pay

    • G_WallyHunter

      If those figures are right, 2/3 of it guaranteed, that’s nice to see..

      • oreofestar

        I expect a 10mil signing bonus

    • Adam G

      They didn’t have a choice. Think the two of us discussed this yesterday.

      • oreofestar

        Yeah I did and like we said huge signing bonus lots of guaranteed lol just like Snyder to destroy the cap for one player

        • Eagles1018

          Wonder how Brian Orakpo feels about this…

          • Adam G

            Doesn’t look like its even a possibility for them to lock him up long term.

  • oreofestar

    Yo WALLY is it jersey burning time

  • K.

    Jenkins better be good… And whomever they draft at CB in May.

    • oreofestar

      Whoever they draft at CB will not see the field much

  • Adam G

    Only way for Desean to find out he wasn’t worth over 10 mil a year was to let him hit the open market. He never would’ve renegotiated his contract with the Eagles to this.

    • anon

      Wasn’t the money.

      • Adam G

        Seriously? Of course the money played a huge part. If he was making 2 mil a year with the Eagles he would still be with the Eagles. He wasn’t worth over 10 mil a year so he’s not worth putting up with his attitude.

        • Uncle Wonder

          He wasnt worth 10mm after tht report came out…im certain he wlda gotten 10mm if the eagles had just cut him and there was no report behind him…the only blockade was having to gv up a high draft pick AND pay him 10mm/yr

          • Adam G

            Skins didn’t even call the LAPD, they didn’t care. This was his market all along. He’s an 8 mil a year WR, not a 10. Pretty obvious.

          • Uncle Wonder

            I dont buy it…they sold him on their team (and prolly facing the Eagles twice a yr), he nvr even took another visit. Whether or not they called the LAPD is irrelevant…everyone smelled blood in the water once the report leaked…its obvious that affected his value. I guess we will nvr know if he coulda gotten 10mm

          • Adam G

            You are delusional if you think he cared about anything else besides money. That’s been his MO from day one.

          • Uncle Wonder

            His love for money is also irrelevant to my point…the reports say they nvr talked money til last night…he didnt take other visits or offers…i cld call and offer him $10 billion or $0.50…if there are no competing offers how will you know if either of those is market value?

          • Adam G

            His agent was fielding calls from Niners and Raiders. That’s right, his agent is going to push to make HIMSELF less money. You really don’t have any idea or are just delusional.

          • Uncle Wonder

            smh

          • Yes_General

            I read in another blog that most of this fallout was because of deseans agent. Apparently deseans agent wasnt receiving any financial compensation from his long term deal with the Eagles. So that is why he was pressing the eagles so hard to restructure the contract. You can see 8% of 0 isnt a lot of money for the agent but 8% of 16million guaranteed im sure makes desean and his agent happy now.

          • Adam G

            NFL agents only make 3% of contracts.

          • Token

            Seems pretty obvious. But good luck convincing anyone of that.

  • Tom w

    Maybe the rumors that the agent soured the trade market by floating djax wouldn’t restructure his contract and that eagles would need to cut him when it looked like we could at least get a fourth for him may have been true. Agent doesn’t get paid in the old contract, that was rosenhaus. Segal gets his big money on new deals. Guess djax called this after the saints loss…. He thought he was deserving of a new deal, got a new agent for that reason, and he had a plan. Even floated the rumors that the niners and browns were interested yesterday when contract negotiations began to help his market after it seemed skins were only party in town after raiders bailed. Segal should write a text book …. Looks like he wil get paid again when chris Johnson get cut.

    • Eagles1018

      Wait is Segal also Chris Johnson’s agent? Is there a link that I can look this guy up with?

  • David Griffith

    Remember how last year teams assigned a LB to spy RG3 and left the Skin receivers 1on1 w/ CBs while the same teams chose to commit at least 1-2 deep safetys to stopping the Eagles deep threat…. Reverse that this year!

    • oreofestar

      Oh nah Chip will turn a wr this year into something special and J Mac will come close to Desean’s production you still need at least 7 in the box for Shady and then Sproles and Ertz wil cause so many mismatches our offense is still better

      • David Griffith

        Teams filled the box last year for shady but consistently left single hi safety help on Jax side of the field. Sorry, but don’t see how that continues to be the case. They’ll get to focus more on stopping the run (although I also believe this will be Ertz break out year)… but my post was more about the fact that Redskins offense just got better on multiple levels – Garcon has always been a better #2 than #1 – now the #1 CB will be trailing Jax leaving Garcon to feed on the lesser skilled CB – and teams wont be able to leave hi safety protection and have LB who’s only responsibility is to spy RG# (kinda like they did Vick) so RG3′s gonna have an amazing year on the ground w/ his legs too… i’m telling you – if everything works out like it looks on paper – at best case skins n eagles split – and shoot might get both into the playoffs this year

        • oreofestar

          Think about a Maclin, Cooper, Sproles , Ertz SHady set are they going to cram the box? they have to play man to man probably forcing a lb on sproles and then Ertz and others can force mismatches and if we get a Mtthews r Ebron or ODB or Jenkins we can expolit even more mismatches

          • David Griffith

            I have 2 problems with ur assumptions… 1) your considering Sproles as a receiver in ur 11 personnel spread 2) you think Cooper will have as much success this year as he did w/o any safety help 80% of the time last year… I’d be happy as hell to be wrong – but i think Cooper’s production dips, I think Mac has a career year (but not as good as Jax did last year) and yea i think teams dedicate themselves to stopping the only unstoppable force on our team Shady!

        • aub32

          We are going head to head with the NFCW. I don’t think 2 teams from this division make it. We still have the draft, but right now I definitely see the division as a race between the Eagles and Skins being pretty close with the Giants trying to sneak up.

          • Adam G

            Crazy that you think the addition of Desean makes the Eagles and Skins pretty close. They are still not good.

          • Token

            He forgets they have maybe a worse secondary then us. And not much of a OL at all. But they have Jackson!

          • Eagles1018

            I’d be happier about them having a crappy OL if we did more to bolster our pass rush. Good/bad Eagles secondary can be amplified by improved pass rush. Trent Cole probably knows he’s on the clock. Let’s hope he goes crazy this year to get his FA deal possibilities up in 2015…..

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Depends on their D. Their O is certainly more formidable. I still want to see how they put it all together. The passing game in Gruden’s offenses, from the little attention I’ve paid them, seem to have been more successful with bigger receivers. This seems like a different frontier for him.

          • aub32

            We hashed this out yesterday. The addition of DeSean, a new coach, a healthy RG3, Reed’s development, and Garcon moving back to #2 is what makes them close.

          • Adam G

            Nothing like replacing a coach with 2 super bowl wins with a completely mediocre offensive coordinator who is only in the league because of his brother. That’s a huge upgrade. Who says RG3 is healthy? Guy is as fragile as they come. So is Reed.

          • David Griffith

            NFCW as a whole isn’t better than NFCE. Here’s why – Hawks just won it all, EVERYBODY studied the living crap out of them, believe me they wont be as unstoppable this year (as is the case almost every year after a team wins)… and also R u saying I should be afraid of the Rams n Cardinals too? I think we (eagles) can take any team in that division – I said that last year and i’ll repeat it this year (minus the hawks). N i think G3 n Jax could give the 9ers D a good run for their money too

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I hope we play the Niners early on so they hopefully still don’t have Bowman.

      • aub32

        That’s assuming J Mac bounces back from injury. Also, I don’t see him as a guy who can line up all over the field, but I guess that’s where Sproles comes in

  • addicted2mula

    I understand be upset and worried because we know whats he capable of doing but remember we also know his weakness. Just like how Andy had the advantage going against us

    • aub32

      We know his weakness, but we don’t have the secondary to really exploit it.

      • oreofestar

        I think we have a defense that matches up well against them to be honest

        • aub32

          I disagree. I do not trust any DB to handle Jackson on their own. Perhaps I am biased having seen him destroy them in camp. Allocating extra resources to stop Jackson means less people to stop that running game, which was better than what we got drug over when we faced the Saints.

          • Token

            lol. You are scared to death.

          • oreofestar

            I know… I am not going to fret there is no way that team does not kill each other they are going to implode

          • aub32

            Sorry if I don’t rely on our chances of winning the division on off field issues.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I think their running game needs to prove it, though. Morris looked great in the zone scheme Shanarat runs. If Gruden runs the same scheme, then yes, I’ll worry. If not, I need to see it to fear it. Morris is one cut and go, not the kind of back that’s making things happen on his own.

          • oreofestar

            My thought is we will be using a ton of Nickel against them and I like are chances I think we can use lighter coverge on Reed we have players who can handle himwithout serious attention and we will have to use a safety to help out corners in cverage and if we can get that pass rushing lB that becomes a lot easier, I think we could keep them to 20-25 points no prob which is all we will need

          • aub32

            Who is this guy covering Reed? We know every player currently on the roster. Who do you have shutting Reed down? Kendricks gives up a lot of height and DeMeco isn’t so nimble. So I am assuming a combination of Barwin and a safety. The problem with that is Barwin in coverage lessens our pass rush. A safety on Reed and there goes DeSean. I’m interested in your thoughts.

          • RIP illa

            And that’s the biggest question. Reed isn’t some Whitten or Gronk type monster that has shown to be a matchup nightmare for smaller players. Yet will we be able to put a safety on him and take away help from DJax and/or Garcon? And no way do I see us repeating the Saints game debacle and just coming out in Nickel and letting them run it down our throats. So that leaves Boykin out more often than not. He’s too quick and fast for all of our LBs except for Kendricks. So that would be the logical choice, despite the height difference, which I don’t think is as big as it sounds. I believe Reed is only 6’2. However, last year Kendrick’s was RG3′s spy, so maybe we won’t see him on him. But this all seems kinda moot, cuz I don’t think there is anyway in hell that we go against them playing more man than zone. We might see some man looks sprinkled in. Ther’s no way you face a QB that can run, like RG3, and turn your back to him the whole game or majority of the game, in man coverage. Of course this is all dependent on if we bolster our pass rush and they do not bolster their OL enough.

          • Adam G

            All this talk of Reed being so much more athletic than Ertz, where did this come from? I don’t see any evidence that he is.

          • RIP illa

            Let me start off by saying that Ertz is not as athletic as some claim or imply. He is not in the same league of athleticism as your superstar TEs, with the exception of Jason Whitten, who’s a throwback to the old school.
            Reed is believed to be faster and a little quicker, despite running his lackluster time at the combine, which he blamed on his knee. Pro day info on him is sketchy, cuz he had a horrible attitude and would barely workout until scouts gave him an ultimatium, but unofficials were really good. And he’s shown it on tape.
            Ertz’s mesurables are comparable to Celek’s. That’s why I’ve called him a Celek clone, or Celek Jr., although he has not shown the toughness or strength of Brent. No one…and I repeat no one, is mistaking Celek for being a special athlete. So by default no one should expect that out of Ertz either. The numbers and tape don’t say so.
            I could get into a whole thing about TE so called athleticism, but it’s entirely to long and I don’t have the time.

          • Adam G

            Fair enough. Seems like a stretch the Skins would draft a guy with questionable attitude.

          • RIP illa

            Why?

          • Adam G

            That was sarcasm.

          • RIP illa

            Oops..my miss.

          • Richard Colton

            Van Noy & Telvin Smith. Our LB corps is about to get a lot faster.

          • RIP illa

            Hell yeah it would be. And that’s one of the biggest points I was making awhile ago when we were talking about the draft prospects, especially at ILB. Some are saying guy X is not big enough, and that we need a guy that can dominate the run. But then that guy would just be as big of a liability in the passing game as Mecco is now. We really need a guy that can cover just as well as MK, while being long enough to make plays on the ball and or force more inaccurate throws from the QB. And all the while, still being a better athlete than most of the TEs he faces, or just as good of an athlete as them and not to far off from some of the slot WRs. The only problem that I have, which you and I talked about before is…Where the hell do you line up Smith? He’s ruining everything by not converting to Safety!!!

          • Richard Colton

            I was anti Telvin Smith for that reason, but it’s hard to watch the tape and not see something special there.

          • Eagles1018

            I need the eagles to take a serious look at Calvin Pryor. To have that guy on the back end that will take your neck off for coming his way. Seriously………

          • Token

            In all your scenarios of doom, who is gonna block?

          • aub32

            Who do we have rushing the passer? I was busy from noon until now. Did we sign a pass rusher. We both like Barwin. I think I like him more than you, but he isn’t a pass rusher. Cole got handled by a rookie fresh off the practice squad. They have O line needs. We have pass rushing needs. Seems like a wash to me. Thoughts?

          • Token

            O ok so thats the answer. No teams they play have a pass rusher. Man they lucked out.

          • aub32

            Who said no team. I’m talking about us. There you go changing the argument. I didn’t say they were SB bound. The NFCW will destroy their O line. I asked who do “we” have. Yet I guess it’s easier for you to change the point I made rather than agree and admit you’re wrong.

          • Token

            Well we dont have much of a pass rush you are correct. But we had 7 sacks against them in 2 games last year. They have work to do on that line. And id hope we can get some pass rush help in the draft.

          • RIP illa

            HaHa…that was so blatant, even for Token. I’m lol! Although I can believe it, I still can’t believe that he just completely tried to make a whole different argument in that way.

          • Token

            Hmmm, guess you didnt see my next comment which he has had no answer for. 7 sacks we had against that line last year. And thats our crap pass rush. Cole even had 2. But yea, you really got me.

          • RIP illa

            Nope I did not get to it at the time that I posted. The 7 sack point is a very valid one when talking about us v the skins last year. Yet you chose to try to change the argument to include every team they face instead of just making that point. So it makes my response about that fact, perfectly reasonable and correct. You do it a lot man. Makes it hard to have discussions, arguments, or disagreements…cuz you refuse to stay on point and try and switch up to suit your needs.

          • Token

            So its not valid that a bad OL has to face other teams besides us twice a year? And to add to that even our pathetic pass rush racked up 7 sacks against said team. Not really seeing what point you are failing at making. Maybe he is saying they would beat us twice a year which means they win the division?

          • RIP illa

            “Not really seeing what point you are failing at making.”

            SMH…Nice that you try and put the onus on me for your shortcomings when conversing with others.

            “So its not valid that a bad OL has to face other teams besides us twice a year?”

            No it’s not valid, in the context of the conversation with Aub, because you clearly used that statement as a response to his points, which were focusing on us vs them and how we match up, etc. In the conversation of us vs them…What the hell does them playing other teams with their bad OL have to do with it???

            ” And to add to that even our pathetic pass rush racked up 7 sacks against said team.”

            There is no and add to that! That’s all that needed to be said if you wanted to present an opposing view and continue the discussion, instead of trying to change topics completely, so you can some how feel better about, or prove your point.

            I’m not even gonna get angry with you today. There’s no need. The fact is that you do this all the time, everybody knows and sees it, and if you can’t accept that, with it being right in front of you, then it’s not my problem.

          • Token

            Thats a lot of effort to still make no point. I made two points, both of which you have no real counterargument for. Move along.

          • RIP illa

            LMFAO…Jesus man, how do you live with yourself or anyone else for that matter!!! Funniest stuff I read all day. Thank you.

          • Andy124

            Barr

          • RIP illa

            Oreo makes a good point, yet one that is a little vague. As of now, we don’t have the personnel to consistently lock him down in man and they would probably get killed by not only him, but a lot of WRs in man. However we just went through a whole year of watching Davis play zone and having our CBs line up way off. Plus he liked to blitz a lot with those type of coverage behind it. That’s not my ideal D, as I believe and would like more tighter coverage and more man, behind our blitzes. But it’s away to keep him in front of of our DBs.

            Add to that how the skins OL is shaky, as of now, and even with our lack luster pass rush, we still have away of mitigating his deep routes. I will not leave out the fact that we did see Fletch still get beat deep too many times for my liking, despite playing this way, whether the pass was completed or not. I only say Fletch cuz he sticks out in my mind more. But we also have to look at the safety help, and usually that was Nate, who would be found trailing instead of keeping the play/player in front. So maybe Jenkins and whomever, play better and our in a better position.

            Now this is only speaking for the deep threat that Jackson brings. Maybe Gruden utilizes his route tree more and won’t rely on it as much, but I still expect him to be doing a lot of deep plays. So with some different safeties, Davis scheme, and adjustments made after a full year of seeing what works and doesn’t…I do think our D can matchup, or will not be completely lost against them.

            The difficult part is gonna be trying to account for the underneath stuff and middle of the field. But we still have to wait till after the draft to see how both teams benefit from their picks.

          • oreofestar

            :)

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        We don’t have a secondary…period.

        • GEAGLE

          Stop it

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            lol

      • addicted2mula

        True. I just don’t see him putting up numbers he had last year

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Agree with this.

          • addicted2mula

            I don’t believe that nor that he will get the touches he want and the wins/ring he wants. So I think he just signed for revenge

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yup. He wasn’t going to get the touches in our offense with Maclin back and Sproles in the fold, and he’ll be second fiddle to Garcon, who is RG3′s safety valve. And even Garcon’s stats were partially inflated by playing behind all the time. They still have Moss and Roberts, too.

        • aub32

          I don’t either, but I could definitely see 1100 and 6-8 TDs

  • myeaglescantwin

    I hope that DeSean becomes the second coming of Albert Hainesworth..

    even better, i’d like to see Nolan Carrol shut him down 1on1. show the league why we didn’t see him as a #1 WR

    • oreofestar

      I would love that despite it being completely unrealistic

      • myeaglescantwin

        a no name 6’1 CB in press coverage?? that’s been DeSean’s Achilles Heal since he was at CAL.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    I will immediately buy the jersey of the player that lays out DeSean.

    • Johnny Domino

      There’s a Howie jersey?

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Howie must be a blood.

        • Johnny Domino

          CK = Crip Killa

    • oreofestar

      I can see it now Desean gets his first big play of the game Redskin down 38-14 in the 3rd and then he runs over to Chip an d throws the ball and everyone goes crazy on the sideline

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        He’ll throw up the gang signs to our bench haha.

        • Johnny Domino

          CK to include gang signs in play-calling routine.

  • Token

    Whats interesting is even after him choosing to sign with the division rival theres still some people blowing the guy. I get you are pissed about him being released and hes your fav player ever. I get you think hes the best WR in the NFL. But he just chose to sign with the foreskins. How can you still blow the guy after that? There were even some other options on the table. The little guy has revenge on his mind.

    • anon

      What? Wouldn’t you sign in the division if you feel like you got distracted by your old team? Success is the best revenge.

      • Token

        Maybe so, not really the point. The point is he chose to sign there, and people like you are still blowing him like hes your uncle. Just doesnt add up too me. The mourning phase is over. Now hes Redskin.

    • Ark87

      He’s always been…don’t even know the word. Was bound to look for another Madden hero to worship…he worshipped Mike Vick, sure he feels the same about RGIII…bet he won’t even raise a fuss over changing his number.

      • Andy124

        I heard he was going to change his number to cc

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Was Cris Carter a crip the whole time? Is that why he was released?

          • Will

            Chris Carter went to AA and changed his life in Minnesota…

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Joke clearly went over your head.

          • Will

            I know you were joking…saw it on a football life about Buddy Ryan and the Eagles…

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Gotcha.

          • Token

            Cris had real issues . It was better for everyone that he had a change of scenery. Worked out for him.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Joke. It was a joke. Based on his initials and the “cc” we always see Jaccson use. It’ll sink in, soon.

    • JofreyRice

      What should he do, retire? Go to an AFC team out of respect? The guy is a competitor. He’s 5’9, 165 pounds, maybe, and has been consistently beating guys that are much bigger and stronger than he is. He’s essentially been proving people wrong his entire career and now he wants to do that to the Eagles. No problem. As we’ve seen, he isn’t some dominant unstoppable force that can take over an entire contest. If they just stop him, they won’t look stupid; but I’m not going to be mad at Jackson for going to a team when they decided to cut him.

      • Adam G

        Wasn’t he the best football player in California when he was in HS? How is that proving people wrong? What proof do you have he is a competitor? Tanking a season for money?

        • JofreyRice

          He’s tiny. Thin framed and short. How many tiny guys do you see in the NFL? Do you think you just breeze your way into it without working at Desean’s size? Have you ever read any of Jerry Rice’s actual comments about Desean? Jerry Rice had a difficult relationship with Deion when they played together in San Fran, precisely because Deion wasn’t “serious” enough.

          • Adam G

            Yes except being a highly touted recruit from the jump and really only hurting your draft stock bc of off field concerns is not really facing any adversity. He was noticed to have a high level talent throughout his career before the NFL. Think you are twisting facts in your direction.

          • JofreyRice

            And I think you’re using hindsight to see it as a foregone conclusion that Jackson would be an NFL star. There are plenty of high school athletes that don’t do crap in the NFL. This isn’t Julius Peppers, Alberty Haynesworth, or Jadeveon Clowney level physical talent where they just overwhelm people with speed, agility, and power.

            Desean’s got one physical trait that’s really special, his speed. The rest of it, route-running, hands, deep ball tracking, open field elusiveness, all come from work and experience. You don’t work that hard without a desire to be better than the next guy.

          • Adam G

            This isn’t hindsight. He was even successful as a freshman in college after being extremely highly touted. At no point in his career was he considered to NOT make the NFL

          • JofreyRice

            haha, yeah, he was a total slamdunk.

          • Adam G

            Just look at his college stats. Do you not remember people talking about him as a freshman and a sophomore?

          • JofreyRice

            Look at Cobi Hamilton, Dezmon Briscoe, Stedman Bailey, Marvin McNutt–tons of other guys; countless. College & High School success do not translate into NFL success automatically. I can’t believe you’re actually arguing Desean Jackson was destined to be an NFL star because of how good he was in high school. It’s one of the more absurd arguments I’ve seen on here. Football’s a big dudes game, and plenty of guys with much better measurables fall flat on their face in the league.

          • Adam G

            My point was to your argument he has been proving people wrong. He obviously has not considering he was supposed to be this good by his performance throughout his career. If he was a boy scout he would’ve been a top 15 pick.

          • JofreyRice

            Outside of last year, how many tiny wide receivers have gone in the top 15? Typically, they are big guys. You think it was all about his off-field stuff? Have you followed the antics of NFL wide receivers over the past 15 years? He hot-dogs it, and he wants the ball. He’s not re-inventing the wheel here. The reason the Eagles got him in the second is because GMs didn’t think he had the size to beat the jam, and didn’t think he could sustain NFL punishment.

            We got a very successful college receiver in the second round, Reggie Brown. He proved people wrong, too–just not the teams that passed on him.

      • Token

        Not my point. He can go there if he likes, I have no issue with who he picks. But why are people STILL blowing him after he goes to a division rival? Thats silly. And as I said above, I dont get the competitor thing. He had other options and chose to go to Washington. Which is great. But Im not about to blow a Redskin whose undeserving of all this praise in the first place. Jackson is not this franchise changer hes made out to be.

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t know exactly what “blowing him” means. There was one guy, Charlie Kelly who was adamant about how he was the greatest receiver in the history of the Eagles, etc. He was a little over the top. Ok. I think you can easily make the arugment that in terms of traits, speed, hands, production, Jackson was top 3 or 4, but that’s beside the point.

          Outside of a very small minority, The folks that are upset to see Jackson go think he made the Eagles offense better and hated to lose him for absolutely nothing. I think it follows that if we thought he was a good player for the Eagles, he’d be an addition that makes the DC team better. You made a judgment on Jackson back in 2011 and it doesn’t seem you’ve wavered much from then. That’s fine. But I think you have to realize that most of us have moved on from that, since Desean hasn’t shown that same behavior.

          • Token

            He mentioned his contract right after a playoff loss. Its the same guy. Just found a offense where he could post big numbers again for the first time in 3 seasons. Ill never call Jackson a hardcore competitor. I dont believe that.

            Getting nothing for him is horrible I agree. But that goes back to giving him that terrible contract in the first place. Nobody was trading for that thing. And I thought I heard he refused to renegotiate his contract if traded, believe the Jets were the team that asked.

            They thought, like we all did, that this year was when a new contract would be renegotiated to lower the ridiculous cap hit. Well it turns out Chip just didnt care for him as a player in his system. then you add in the missing meeting, having friends at the complex and that hes being paid more than hes worth…that gets you cut. At the heart it was a football move. I dont think Chip liked the fit. I realize nobody wants to hear that a coach may not think Jackson is as great as they do thats why all this gang crap has been made so much of.

            At the end of the day DeSean Jackson is much closer to a Torrey Smith then he is a Calvin Johnson. Thats the crux of the argument. We just view him in different lights so we probably wont see it the same way.

          • JofreyRice

            Well, I guess we’re going to see how replaceable he is.

      • Richard Colton

        Would have been helpful at least if he had gone to Cleveland or Buffalo. At least the possibility might have existed that WRs get pushed down the draft board. Now – I think I like Watkins to Cleveland at 4, Evans to Buffalo at 8, ODB to the Jets at 18. DeSean – the gift that keeps on giving.

  • Will

    Thank GOD that’s over now we can get back to the Eagles and the upcoming draft…

    • GEAGLE

      Doesn’t seem over to me….can’t believe I’m getting more skins coverage than eagles coverage smh

  • oreofestar

    Also people below forget we still have a better O than Wash and our D is better you talk about how we can not cover Desean sure whatever I disagree but whatever well have you seen the Reds secondary

  • GEAGLE

    Any actual eagles news?

    • cliff henny

      nope, redundant post/discussion from yesterday. makes skins better on paper, but a lot more to signing jax than that. best case, closes gap some, still feel eagles are much better team. ski isn’t falling, pigs didn’t just become 10+ win team.

      • Ark87

        The gap was a thrilling last second Brandon Boykin int in the endzone last time we met. Hopefully we can build on that gap ourselves.

        • cliff henny

          oh com’on. eagles killed them, forgot to play 4th quarter. game was so 1-sided, took it off air here in myrtle. i’ll take that eagles team for1st 3 quarters this yr and build off that. ‘skins arent catching eagles if that’s the case.
          .
          way over reacting to above average WR moving on.

          • Ark87

            I didn’t say D Jax was going to magically turn the Washington team from worst to first. I just think we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. The birds aren’t comfortably dominant to anybody in the NFC East yet. All signs points in the direction of us separating from the pack, with one possible concern. All the real talent in Washington is young, we’re all sort of resting on the age old tendency of Snyder blowing up his own franchise. Jackson isn’t some dominant player, but the Eagles aren’t some dominant team either.

          • cliff henny

            think johnny geagle put it best, this is a flashy signing. sorry, I don’t think jax changes ‘skins that much. now, NE or SEA, holy smokes.
            .
            Louis Riddick is a good follow. liked his theory on putting jax in locker room that’s not stable. could wash hit a homer run here w/ jax, of course, but could also be huge cluster. bet orakpo is pissed about not getting long term contract.

          • GEAGLE

            This will be like Mike Wallace going to the dolphins

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            D-Jax needs to be hoping his QB is working on how to get past the first read. He loves him some athletic QBs.

          • Ark87

            I’m not concerned about Jackson, I just wouldn’t casually brush off any team right now. We’re having 2 different conversations…

          • cliff henny

            please show me where I brushed off ‘skins. the making them better or closing gap part? o-line alone, think Eagles are better. at qb, RG3 is a mess, new system is bad fit for rb, while Foles is obviously getting better and Kelly has his grubby mitts on him for full off-season. and eagles are still run 1st team w/ tremendous back in Shady. Kelly over gruden is couple games to me, too.

          • GEAGLE

            What a joke

          • cliff henny

            what is?

          • GEAGLE

            That I can only find redskins coverage on phillymag

          • cliff henny

            ah, its hot topic.
            .
            all I care about is Foles. he comes back looking like Brady Jr, Jax will be afterthought. wait till after draft, Kelly’s not fielding a reid-like team with limited weapons

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            At least 2 WR coming our way. Can’t wait.

          • cliff henny

            with udfa, 3 i’ll bet. could see celek’s replacement. wouldnt argue about moving on from Brown for 6th and finding someone who can lighten shady’s load. couple 7th/udfa I really like.

    • Will

      Morning Geagle…the draft is 36 days away and counting…I like that Mark Sanchez played in six play off games then again the Jets had a formidable Defense hope we get some more players for our Defense in the draft…

      • GEAGLE

        Morning…This is bullshit….got every media member in philly writing Redskins articles like I give a FOCK about who they add.

        Jets signed Jacoby ford! and are talking to Kurt Coleman.

        I can’t believe PhillyMag is still doing this…if Yous don’t wanna do any work, and will just copy and past the same thread. Change a few sentences, why not just copy and past all our posts from yesterday’s thread and we can all save time….

        I just can’t believe all this coverage because the skins signed a good but not great WR….what a joke

  • Mugzy Payton

    No market for this horrible thug

  • Uncle Wonder

    Welp…starting 5 mo from now we will unequivocally know what DeSean meant to our offense. All the debate and posturing over hypothetical situations is getting tired.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Good point, from now until then everyone should just shut up about it and stop wasting breathes and thoughts on it..

  • Token

    Well we can pencil in the Redskins as our first game of the season. Probably in Washington id guess.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      MNF again?

      • Token

        Im hoping for very few primetime games. But Im not gonna get my wish there.

    • cliff henny

      good…no one will have any idea what offense Kelly’s going to show. he could come out 4wide or 3 tes.

    • Andy124

      oh god, not another monday night start!

  • Will

    Has hard as this is for a lot of fans we are going to be a better Offensive Football team in the end. Just like CK blew up the Safety group for this year I think CK is blowing up the WR core and wants his type player’s installed. It may or may not happen in the draft but CK will always be changing the player’s in all positions till CK has his vision on the field. This is year 2 and I think we will be even a better football team this upcoming year with a little luck in the draft be patience Eagles Fans we are on the road to Victory and hopefully a Super Bowl Win in the end…

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    The Washington T-cups. So many little guys at receiver.

  • GEAGLE

    16mil in Guarentees but we couldn’t get a 6th round pick?

    • JofreyRice

      They totally screwed up. When you have multiple sources saying he’d be cut if he couldn’t be traded, you’ve lost all your leverage.

      • Will

        The only way the new agent gets paid is if he got cut…

      • Andy124

        What if that was all Segal manuvering? What are the Eagles supposed to do about that?

        • JofreyRice

          Someone in the Eagles org had to have made it clear that it was either their way or the highway. Maybe they played their hand too early. Maybe they knew it would have been absurd to ask him to take a 4 mil a year paycut given his year and the contracts they handed out to lesser receivers, and didn’t even attempt to renegotiate. I don’t know, but I can’t see how the agent could have orchestrated all of this alone. This was too much of a goatf!ck.

          • Adam G

            If the Eagles were trying to trade him, but teams would want to restructure the contract, the agent can deny the team the ability to do so, which his agent did do. This effectively kills any benefit from a trade if that team wants to restructure.

          • JofreyRice

            I didn’t see that. Do you have a link?

          • Adam G

            Was a tweet from Mehta regarding the jets inquiry. Was also on PFT. Sure looks like teams inquired and Segal refused a restructure knowing he would hit open market. Makes sense. Sheil actually tweeted that as well. That if he was Desean he would force a cut by refusing to restructure for a trade.

          • JofreyRice

            I see. Yeah, I guess he wouldn’t be very motivated to help the Eagles out in getting trade compensation if it meant he was going to get less money, and not have a say about where he was going. But all of that is under the assumption that he had to go–which, I think is a false premise, but one that seems to have been agreed upon by the Eagles brass before all of this started. There was no need to get rid of him, only desire. As opposed to Harvin, who actually demanded a trade, Jackson wasn’t anywhere saying he wanted out of Philly.

          • Adam G

            Yes, Eagles decided to move on, then tried to trade him. But at that point Desean’s agent forced the cut, with the assumption the Eagles were going to let him go.

          • JofreyRice

            Which it seems like they decided early on, and must have made clear to them in no uncertain terms–hence the term “goatf!ck”.

          • Will

            DeSean wasn’t willing to renegociate, the Eagles were not paying him 10 million the Eagles know when DeSean wasn’t happy $ wise he would just quit and not play up to his ability…So they could pay 10 million or cut him no other team was gonna pay 10 million for DeSean and give up a draft pick as well … So after careful consideration of all the options they cut him

          • JofreyRice

            You don’t think it would have been a little weird to ask him to take a 2.5 million paycut after he put together a 1300 yard 9 TD season? They’re paying Mark Sanchez and James Casey six million dollars to steal oxygen. The guy brings more to the team than those two guys combined, by a lot. You actually can get just anybody to do what they do in the draft.

          • Andy124

            Like I said to Rich, I don’t think it’s the most likely scenario, but I’m not ruling out the conspiracy theory that his agent decided this was the best way for him to make money off DJ and convinced DJ this was the best way to get the most guaranteed money.

        • Richard Colton

          So DeSean plays nice, he makes 10.5 million next year. Runs himself out of town and makes 8? But now the agent gets his 30 pieces of silver? Am I reading this wrong or is DeSean a bigger a$$ than I thought?

          • cliff henny

            sure all Jax is seeing is the 16m guaranteed.

          • Richard Colton

            Wasn’t 10.5 guaranteed if he was on the roster week one? At that point you have to figure on a renegotiated deal for 2015 based on cap number. Just seems to me DeSean hurt himself financially here.

          • cliff henny

            don’t think so, he was getting week to week gamechecks. big checks, but don’t think anything was guaranteed.

          • Adam G

            He was never seeing that 10.5 even if he was a boyscout.

          • Andy124

            Not my leading theory, but I’m not ruling anything out when it comes to what people do when millions of dollars are in play and they start looking at guaranteed vs. not guaranteed.

            Officially, my leading theory is that the combination of fit/attitude/off-field stuff lead to the Eagles just not wanting him at any price. Again, just a theory.

          • Adam G

            Any is not the right word. There was a price to keep him. I would guess somewhere in the 7 mil range, but nothing he would’ve taken.

          • Andy124

            Well, that’s your theory, not mine. I’m guessing they just didn’t want him around any more.

          • Adam G

            Right, bc if he was making veteran’s min they would’ve cut him. Obviously there is a price they would’ve kept him.

  • Will

    I gonna post this again more reasons why DeSean was not a great fit for CK’s Offensive vision…

    DJax is a special talent just not what CK wants in a starting WR in his Offense…ideally CK wants a WR that can beat man coverage, be an effective blocker, be a tall red zone threat, someone who can fight and out jump CB’s for the football. DJax is none of that, DJax has the ability and speed to stretch a Defense, be a decoy, draw bracket coverage but is not an effective blocker, is not a tall red zone threat and struggles to beat good press man coverage… these are some of the reasons DJax is no longer an Eagle. Further more it’s yet to be seen if Maclin can be effective in CK Offense, Maclin is an effective blocker, can beat man coverage some of the time, is not a tall red zone threat. Cooper on the other hand seems more the ideal WR that CK is looking for. Having two WR’s that can line up on one side and block for Sproles catching the ball out of the backfield will be huge this year…Sproles should be able to beat the LB or Safety assigned to cover him…So there is a method to this madness…In CK I trust…my thoughts times yours…lol…

    • Uncle Wonder

      Thats all well and good but there is no need to have all your receivers be carbon copies of each other…Coop is different from Maclin is diff from Sproles who was diff frm DJax…it was abt the money…no one should believe anything else, cuz a receiver who gives you >1300 yards and 9-10 TDs in his first year must be doing something right.

      • Will

        CK made it work but that version of the Offense stalled so back to the drawing board…the draft will reveal more about the types of player’s CK is after…no it’s more about blocking and favorable mismatches all over the field…

        • Will

          I look at it this way CK has the O-Line minus an OG in the wings, has the QB, has the RB’s, has 1 tall WR, not so sure he’s done at TE…Defensively looks like CK wants an ROLB, one better Safety, and a D-Line that can two gap effectively…and CK wants great ST…we are getting there ever so slowly just a matter of finding and getting his specific player’s CK wants this is the plan…

      • Joe from Easton

        I guess I kind of think that he put those numbers up because chip tailored the offense around him. It was who chip had to work with at the time and he did a damn good job of it. I think chip believes if he has the players HE chooses to work with though, that he will do a better job. Everyone has said all along how innovative he is and how he’ll work with what he has. Well then maybe this is him proving it.

  • Andy124

    By the way, isn’t that contract almost exactly what we all thought we’d end up renegotiating with DeSean? Less total money, 8/year but more guaranteed. I’ll bet if we search the history, we’d see a lot of 8/year predictions.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Spot on, Andy.

    • Adam G

      But like I said, he wasn’t going to do that with Philly because the only way for him to realize he was an 8 mil a year WR was to hit the open market.

      • Andy124

        Well, that’s one theory.

    • JofreyRice

      Yeah, this is less than I expected. Still the biggest free agent WR deal this year, but the market does seem to have suffered a bit.

      I think Ross Tucker makes the point when guys refuse renegotiation, and try the open market, they almost never end up making the same amount they were scheduled to make. I don’t know if the Eagles actually tried to renegotiate down, or what, but I could definitely imagine that being perceived as bad form, if you’re coming off a career year. It’s hard to imagine Jackson agreeing to renegotiate south here, when they just paid Riley Cooper however much, Jeremy Maclin, and still have James Casey on the books for 4 mil.

      • Token

        8 mil is about his value. Certainly not 10.5 and up. Probably a 2 yr 16 million dollar deal basically right? Im sure if a team got word to the agent they would be north of 8 mil he wouldnt have signed right away.

        • Adam G

          i would guess a lot of the guarantee is in 2nd year salary bc of their lack of space this year.

          • KobraKai7474

            I would bet a big upfront bonus (which meets Washington’s cap needs and… apparently… Jackson’s short term cash needs) with smaller salaries both this year and next and a huge, non-guaranteed salary in year 3 that is meaningless since it would be renegotiated (or he would be cut) before it was ever paid.

          • Adam G

            Think i read somewhere that he’s only making 8 this year which includes the bonus. They had a limit to the upfront bonus bc of their cap and that its only spread out over 3 years. So yeah, he’s got a big 2nd year guarantee.

        • KobraKai7474

          Pretty much, he lost $10.5 million this year to get $16 million guaranteed over (basically) 2 years. In the NFL, where injuries can end a career in a heartbeat, that is not the worst trade-off ever (but it sure isn’t the best either). If he were to be a superstar this year in Washington, he would undoubtedly be making noise to renegotiate by this time next year.

  • GEAGLE

    Someone tweet me when Philadelphia gets back to talking about eagles..this is a waste of time

    • Will

      Relax Geagle the Circus has left town…

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah right….they still have to report on the first time Desean takes a crap in DC…the first time he breaks the law and jay walks after signing his new deal….78 FOCKIn Desean threads in one week….enough

        • Will

          Agree hope the Eagles can tradde up for Mike Evans so we can watch CK’s Offensive Explode putting up 56 points a game like he did at Oregon..gonna take some time to get his guys so glad CK is our Coach…

    • Andy124

      If only it was yesterday, I’d wait an hour then tweet you about a really interesting conversation taking place, only to have you come back to more of this.

    • dmancine9

      do you think we look at Kelvin Benjamin in the first round? I’ve heard ODB, Cooks and Lee mentioned.

      Obviously I hope we take BPA, regardless of position, but IF we take a WR, would that monster KB fit with CK’s offense? also could we trade back to get him in the late 1st?

      • Richard Colton

        I don’t think KB or Lee are 1st round WRs. And I don’t see how either is there at #54. So barring some moving, which historically is likely, neither should be an Eagle.

        ODB and Cooks look like better bets to be wearing midnight green. If we’re purely talking pass-catchers (why not on day 25 of “as DeSean turns?”) i’d like to think we have an outside shot at Ebron or Evans.

        • JofreyRice

          I’m really getting this sneaking suspicion it’s gonna be Lee. Obviously, he’s got that history against Chip in Pac 12. He moved all around that offense, inside and outside, and ran a lot of the drags and slants that the WCO is predicated on; the same concepts Kelly had Shurmur install in his spread to run WCO.

          • Richard Colton

            Well if you minimize your expectations, you won’t be annoyed on draft night. I’ve been under whelmed by this off-season. Some good resignings. That’s about it. I’m banking on some big moves in the draft.

            I just don’t see it with Lee. Hopefully, if the Eagles take him, I will have been wrong.

          • JofreyRice

            that’s a pretty good strategy.

      • GEAGLE

        Serious talent….wouldn’t rule it out that’s for sure…but he comes with some Stephan Hill bust potential, or he could have a quiet rookie year and show up as the next Alshon Jeffries to start year two,…Cossel likes him more then Evans, thinks he is a better athlete,closer to Calvin Johnson type than Evans…but other scouts say Evans has the best hands since Calvin……I think it’s pretty simple, it’s all going to come down to Charecter and his interviews…if we think he has a crazy passion and drive to be great, hard worker, coachable and dedicated, then he will be very high on our board. If we find him lazy and not coachable. I can see us taking him off our board completely…

        Personality.heart, brains and commitment to excellence is what will get you drafted by this new eagles regime..and since we have quality coaches and teachers, it should lower our bust percentage exponentially……I have no idea about his personality, or how he interviews, where as I know a kid like Kyle Van Noy will dazzle Chip in interviews…..but KB certainly is the super athlete, sky high upside that will apeal to Chip….its really going to be all about his interviews for us, and I know nothing about who that kid is

        • GEAGLE

          Eagles draft picks have to be:
          1) Versatile
          2) Supreme Athletes with serious upside(because we believe in our ability to coach up talent)
          3) Head and heart
          ..
          The player at the top of our boards will probably be the best combo of those 3 things

          • dmancine9

            thanks for the feedback. can’t wait for the draft because- 1) I think Chip and Howie have a great system in place for evaluating college players and 2) it will help minimize the DeSean distraction

          • GEAGLE

            No prob…yeah I think this will be our money draft for sure…our HC has known Many of these prospects for 5 years, he got to see how much they grew from one year to the next since highschool….I also doubt many other HC were watching film of college prospects on Saturdays during the season(love that our coach isn’t married)…this is also a class stocked with talented Underclassmen, and NFL scouts are typically scrambling to watch the seniors all year. so many underclassmen this year that scouts are starting to rethink their strategies and start having to pay attention to juniors(who they really don’t watch much of in August)…
            ….
            I’m really expecting a special draft out of us…and I think we put such an insane amount of importance on interviews and Charecter, that it’s going to reduce our bust percentage……
            ..
            In a few years, Chip won’t have the advantage of knowing all these prospects,so it’s pretty damn important to make this one count

          • jshort

            Going to be more interesting, for me, to see who the rookie FA’s they bring in. Love when one or two of them work out.

          • GEAGLE

            Scouts think this will be a great year for UDFAs because of the unusual number of quality Underclassmen

          • anon

            Remember what howie said last year about UDFAs? I wonder if he’s change his tune.

          • dmancine9

            do you have a mock draft to share?

          • GEAGLE

            As in who,do,I want the eagles to pick? Or how I think round one plays out?

            I really hate drafting at 22. I would try and trade out of round 1 altogether unless Mike Evans, Barr or Odell Beckham fall to 22 and all 3 could be long shots…..Niners literally have too many picks, they don’t have enough roster spots to keep them all…
            Would love to trade from 22 to like top 10 in round two and get an extra 3rd round pick, AND give up a 2015 2nd round pick for another 3rd round pick…
            ..
            Leaving us, no first round pick, but
            Two 2nd round picks
            Three 3rd,round,picks
            4th
            5th
            I’m EXPECTING,BG to be traded for a 6th…and have a draft similar to:
            2)Kyle Van Noy to backup Barwin and Demeco
            2) Jordan Mathews WR
            3) Marcus Smith ROLB backüp Cole
            3) Donte Moncreif WR
            3) Stanley Jean Baptiste CB
            4) Trade out of round 4, get a 5th and 6th in return
            5) Justin Ellis NT/DE
            5) Antoine Exum CB/FS
            6) Jonathon Dowling Safety western kentucky
            6) Colt Lyerla (from Brandon Graham trade) TE
            7) Biseko Lokombo OLB oregon

          • GEAGLE

            So I added two WR, one who is an extremely polished route runner, sure handed ready to play as a rookie, 6’3 213lb ran 4.46(jordan mathews)…Then i added a raw high upside WR with serious potential who will need to work on his hands and route running during his rookie year, Donte Moncrief, 6’2 220lbs ran 4.40 (3rd fastest WR time), tired for 3rd highst WR verticle leap, believe he was first in WR long jump(not sure tho)

          • dmancine9

            where does Dion Jordan fit into this scenario?? haha

          • GEAGLE

            KB needs to work on routes and hands, which are both very correctable…but he seems to have a knack for coming down with big catches when it really matters, and I can see that appealing to us

        • Richard Colton

          Geags – I really believe that if you’re right – that the Eagles fall in love with KB and KVN, they can trade down and get both.

          • GEAGLE

            No idea if we fall in love with KB, I know nothing about his,personality, Charecter and intelligence….but KVN will dazzle chip(heard he already impressed us in an interview)…just see us loving him like a Vrabel type

          • GEAGLE

            Impossible to try and Peg where KB goes….I mean the kid easily has,the upside of a top 10 pick, if Evans goes top 12, can’t say I’d be too surprised if he impressed,steelers or ravens in an interview and he doesn’t make it past 20….but if teams aren’t buying his interviews, and they don’t see that psychotic Mike Jordan desire to relentlessly work to be the best, I can,just as,easily see him fall to 45-50….

        • JofreyRice

          Have you ever read what Cossel said about Brian Quick? Loved that kid. He gets infatuated with big athletes that can move around well, laterally. I think he trusts that NFL coaching can train these guys to run routes, catch, have a feel for the game,–whatever–even if they haven’t done that in school, because I think he sees that a lot of these guys haven’t done stuff in school. For instance, he talks about how Evans really only ran 3 routes at A&M, and is as much a “project” as Benjamin. I think sometimes he just projects the best case scenario for a player given their athletic traits.

          I don’t trust a receiver with bad hands. Just my thing. He’s much more boom or bust than Evans, IMO. He’s one of the few WRs I would really be annoyed if they drafted. I’d even prefer Marquise Lee there.

          • GEAGLE

            You will never see any of my mocks include KB, but he does have the type of upside that i don’t think we can rule out…if he were to walk out of the interview and our coaches look at each other and start saying Holy crap, what a smart intelligent young man, I believe in THAT kid, then i could see us believing we can mold him into something……but there are easily 5-7 WRs that I would personally prefer….

            …For what it’s worth Cossel also raves about Martevis Bryant who’s tape is so bad that I can’t watch more than 5 min at a time…
            ….
            I will say, that I don’t even pay attention to hands….I try and focus on limitations that can’t be corrected with good coaching and a commitment to working to improve…
            ….
            There have been too many great players who came into the league with Questionable hands..

            Then again. I look atn

          • GEAGLE

            ..i try to look at and judge prospects in two tiers:
            1) NFL ready prospects with lower bust potential….and…
            2) High upside prospects who will require a year or two investment before it starts to pay off….

            1)’Khalil Mack
            2) Anthony Barr
            ..
            1)Mike Evans
            2) KB
            ..
            1) Jordan Mathews
            2) Donte Moncreif
            ..
            From a Physical tools stand point, KB has to be pretty darn high on the #2′s prospect list…but that doesn’t factor in his intelligence and Charecter so it’s pretty impossible to know what we will think of him, because there is so much damn talent to chose from

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Wonder if Barkley will be draft day trade fodder now that Sanchez is here.

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt it

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Better trade chip than anything else we have. I wouldn’t rule it out so quickly.

        • GEAGLE

          A) just like when all of stupid philly was running around proclaiming that FOles being traded was a foregone conclusion a year ago…I warned that well run teams don’t trade away QBs before really finding out who they are,..too soon for us to know with Barkley
          ..
          B) I believe Chips philosophy about wanting constant competition throughout the roster isn’t white noise. There is no competition for the rainmaker, who went thru it last summer, so I believe Sanchez was brought in, to really compete with Barkley…i do not believe that we have ruled out Barkley and are counting on Sanchez being the #2….think chip is going to have them battle it out so he can learn about both, and then make a decision. Too soon to trade Barkley away….imagine if philly got it’s wish and we got an extra pick for FOles last year….smh

          I’d,be,shocked,if Barkley is traded this year

          • Andy124

            Kinne

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Don’t we have April workouts? He’ll get to see them a little bit. You make valid points but it’s not out of the question. Hell, if he can turn Barkley for a 3rd round pick or better and take a project in the 5th or 7th (or 6th if we trade down) then he has competition for Sanchez. I agree it’s probably the least likely of trades of our younger guys, but to rule it out is wrong because of the value he may have compared to our other tradeable assets as well as the QB class not being the greatest.

          • GEAGLE

            Think we would trade half our roster for a 3rd round pick…but who the hell is giving that up for Barkley? Kirk cousin will,be traded for before Barkley and word is! there is no market for him either

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Never know. People talking about spending first rounders on Carr and Garapolo. If I’m a GM, I’m asking calling the Eagles to see what it takes for Barkley, at the least.

          • GEAGLE

            Think there are like 10players on our roster that we would turn down a 3rd round pick in this draft being offered for.lol.lbs shocked if someone traded for Barkley, before someone trades for Kirk cousins…..I’d trade Barkley for a 4th in this draft, just doubt we feel the same….it’s really really dysfunctional to be trading kids after their rookie season
            ..
            And I think Sanchez was brought in, to compete and push…not to replace, I think we hope Barkley can beat him out

          • KobraKai7474

            Calling to gauge the price of other teams’ players is what GMs do. Offering ridiculously high draft picks for other teams’ players who haven’t shown anything in a real game is definitely NOT what GMs do.

          • Andy124

            I’d say let him shine in preseason and maybe some mop up duty then turn him in to a second or third next year if anything. I don’t think a 3rd this year is realistic.

          • anon

            What would make you think he’d trade for higher when he was drafted when he looked like Mark Sanchez last year? Nobody thinks USC QBs are good so he’s not even going to get the benefit of the doubt.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            See my reply to Kobra above.

          • KobraKai7474

            If the Eagles could get a third round pick for Barkley, I would do that in a millisecond, but they will not get that in a trillion years. It just isn’t going to happen. Sometimes… SOMETIMES… you can snooker a team if a young QB plays a game or two and really shows something. If the guy does what rookies typically do (i.e. look awful), you aren’t going to snooker anybody ever. Sure somebody might offer up a late round pick to take a flyer on him if the Eagles were truly done with him, but that is the only realistic thing that could happen.

          • Token

            Please dont start puffing your chest again. You have been wrong on just about everything this offseason.

    • Andy124

      i guess we’ll find out what the staff thought of his practice performances last year.

    • KobraKai7474

      Based on his on-field performance last year (which, for better or worse, other teams WILL look at), I can just about guarantee he has more value to the Eagles than any other team.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        I think it’s easy to look at his performance without context and say he looked awful. No, I’m not saying he looked great, but as the 3rd stringer who never got first team reps, he came in mostly poised and showed confidence in his ability. Two pretty significant building blocks for a QB. Kid had nothing to lose so he let it rip. Some work with the 1s and who knows what the results are?

        • anon

          He and Sanchez have a lot in common. It could be Kelly wants in a QB, a guy that’s not afraid to make quick decisions with the ball. But Bark’s draft stock took a nose dive and he really didn’t do much to help it.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            His draft stock feel mostly because of shoulder concerns. It would appear those are mostly behind him.

  • Will

    Any more news on who the Eagles are bringing in for private work outs?

  • cliff henny

    Tim and or Sheil, a request…please get me an article on Foles what he’s doing, where, with whom-is Shurmur spending time. losing Jax stinks, but NFL is all about QB. probably nowhere moreso than for Philly and it’s future.

    • Token

      Yea heard he was back home in Arizona awhile back. But I think its time to get back to Philly and start working out here with the guys.

      • cliff henny

        where doesn’t matter that much, billion dollar company with millionaire employees, they can get to eachother.

        • Token

          yea, but a decent number of players live and workout here in the offseason. The entire Oline I think. I get taking a few months off back in the warm weather at home. But time to get back with the guys if you are the QB I think.

          • cliff henny

            agree. think qbs can go off by themselves and work on machanics. though, a nice complete article on Foles’ off-season, pst, current future plans would be nice than rehashing Jax

      • Uncle Wonder

        Maybe he tried…cant assume he even commands the type of respect on the team just yet that will make guys want to up and leave their families a few months after the season ended when they arent even being paid to do so.

        • Token

          Theres a decent number of guys that live and workout in Philly. Not asking the whole team to come back early. Just think the QB should be kind of a leader on that front.

          • anon

            Agree. RW flew all his recievers to Cali last year on his dime. Foles may be a more skilled QB but RW is a leader.

      • jshort

        Heard he’s working in his dad’s restaurant cooking fish. Trying to raise the money for the flight back. Must be an extravagant spender.

      • Adam

        I think there are quite a few guys that work out in Arizona in the off-season. Mathis owns a facility down there, Zone Performance or something like that.

        • Rambler

          Yes Evan Mathis owns Zone Athletic Performance gym out here in Scottsdale. It looks fantastic, always have wanted to go check it out, except they probably do not allow hacks like me in there. And I did see a friend’s picture of Foles playing backyard hoops with some kids, so he was here for a bit. I saw the picture and immediately started worrying about him turning an ankle.

    • Andy124

      And Musgrave.

      • cliff henny

        yeah, forgot about him.

    • G_WallyHunter

      He’s in arizona doing yoga with his mom

      • cliff henny

        good, done properly, that crap is not joke

      • Andy124

        She sounds hawt.

  • JofreyRice

    He can help that team if RGIII can stop taking huge hits and start trusting his knee again. At one point, he was an excellent deep ball thrower.

    I have no problem with Desean choosing the DC team. He’s a competitor and feels slighted. It’s what gets Tom Brady out of bed with Gisele in the offseason, and makes him a better player. Watching “A Football Life” about Jerry Rice, and that guy was almost psychotic in his competitiveness and dedication to craft, coming from a small school.

    DC still has a ton of problems, but I think you’re whistling past the graveyard if you don’t think Desean could potentially be a headache for the Eagles. This isn’t a 33 year old washed up McNabb. Desean will never be Calvin Johnson, but his TDs count for the same amount of points.

    • Token

      The guy admitted to quitting on his team over money. The last thing Id call DeSean is a competitor.

      • JofreyRice

        Of course it all comes down to RG3. And I think I was pretty clear in saying he would not transform a team, but that he could give the Eagles headaches. Releasing him makes Washington a better squad, and the Eagles worse. Whether or not you think he’s worth whatever, I think it’s pretty hard to argue that.

        • Token

          Yea he helps. But they have a mini WR corp. Also what Jackson does best requires longer developing plays which will be a problem there with that line. It was a problem here with a much better line then they have. The overall impact I dont feel will be that great. The Skins still have a lot of work to do. So do the Eagles. I dont feel hes near the player you feel he is. Thats basically what this comes down to.

          • anon

            Mini WR corps? Pierre garcon led the league in receptions last year. Add Djax to that and Reed and they have a decent team. It’s not like our secondary scares anyone when we give up 300yds a game.

          • Token

            Mini as in miniature. I believe their top 3 WRs are 5-11, 5-9 and 5-10. I actually like garcons game.

            ExtremeSkins.com

          • anon

            Ah you mean small players beat up big players? I stand corrected.

          • John E. Zang

            It’s not like DJ was a sure fire 80 catch 1000 + receiver every year. Mark my words, they do their damdest to get him the ball and he ends up with 800 or so and five td’s.

      • HowieDon’tKnow

        Ironic that you raise that when the team quit on him over $$$ (after a career season and clear status as #1 wr) and then slimed him in the process. I guess you like a one-way world. Do you accept the same dynamics where you make your living?

        • Adam G

          Those are the rules the NFL is setup with.

          • HowieDon’tKnow

            Agree as to contract but those “rules” Include a player’s ability to hold out, ask for more money etc…. But when one of them does it, this board goes nuts. Don’t think the sleazy Eagles sliming of DJ is among the “rules” though.

        • Airgreen7

          I don’t see where the team smeared him. That was the media that did that. The team didn’t open their mouths to refute the claims.

    • KobraKai7474

      Jackson is a good, but not great, player who, at least occasionally (and by his own admission) lets his outside life impact his preparation and play. Yes, such a player could hurt the Eagles… or any team… on a good day, and he can hurt his own team on a bad day.

      • JofreyRice

        How did he hurt the Eagles last year?

        And the 2011 thing is so beyond overblown. There were times when his effort came into question. Ok. He still had almost a thousand yards in 15 games! To exaggerate whatever happened to him tanking a whole season in 2011 is hyperbole.

        • Adam G

          That’s some real selective memory. He was even suspended.

          • anon

            He’s not the dude in NY (now INDY)

          • JofreyRice

            And Nnamdi ate lunch in his car, and Cullen Jenkins had a screaming match with Reidon the sidelines, and Demeco was laughing about Reid getting upset in the preseason. I don’t know if you followed the Eagles, but it was quite a dysfunctional culture around that time.

          • Adam G

            Right, so does the fact that everything you just mentioned happening in 2012, not in 2011 when he was suspended ruin that argument?

          • JofreyRice

            Not really. Reid’s regime was circling the drain for at least two years. Honestly, if not for a few wins against bum backups down the stretch in 2011–which Lurie himself called “fool’s gold”–and finishing with an 8-8 record, I think there wouldn’t have even been a 2012 season with Reid.

          • Adam G

            The circus was 2012, 2011 they weren’t good, but it definitely wasn’t as disfunctional as you are remembering it. He tanked, and showed his true colors of the type of football player he is. All about the money and out for himself. I don’t know why you are defending this.

          • JofreyRice

            Are you kidding? That team was a wreck. Take away those four wins at the end against Stephen McGhee, Mark Sanchez, JP Losman, and Rex Grossman, and it’s a 4-12 squad, same as 2012. Washburn segregating the DLine from the rest of the group–”Juanita”–all that stuff. Let me guess, you were a tried and true Reid defender, as well? It was clear the situation was toxic and stale long before he had his final throat clearing at Novacare.

            I’m not defending him “tanking” I’m putting the point on it that he didn’t “tank” the whole season. You’re overreaching by a hell of a lot. He said something to the effect that the contract was a distraction, and Jackson haters pounced on it as proof of him giving up on the entire season. A season in which he was pretty productive, and took the top off defenses a lot. I agree it was extremely frustrating to see those games where it seemed he wasn’t giving his full effort, but it was a far cry from being a season-long thing, like Randy Moss’ last season in Oakland; the one right before Belichick took him under his wing and managed him into one of the best seasons ever for a wide receiver.

  • myeaglescantwin

    one team’s trash, is a lesser teams “best acquisition in years”

    • KobraKai7474

      …and a “best acquisition” that leaves that lesser team hard against the salary cap AGAIN. hehehehe.

    • anon

      C’mon man, who’s the last person that we’ve acquired that’s even sniffed a pro bowl.

      • Andy124

        Mathis. Barwin probably sniffed a pro-bowl the year he put up 11.5 sacks. Jason Peters was in pro-bowls before and after we acquired him. I think Ryans made pro-bowls in Houston before his injury.

      • Adam G

        Nnamdi actually made one as an Eagle, as sorry as that is.

      • myeaglescantwin

        I can’t think of a FA.

  • pkirkner

    Now that he’s signed, I really wish the Eagles would explain what lead to Jackson being cut beyond “careful consideration”. If he was truly disruptive last year, why wasn’t he disciplined by the team at the time?

    • Token

      Ill tell you.

      Chip didnt like the fit as a player so he cut him.

      No smoking gun. Just wanted to go a different direction.

      • HowieDon’tKnow

        How do we know Chip cut him? That is an assumption that I have never understood.

        • Token

          O sorry. Forgot about the conspiracy. Chip wanted him badly but Howie put his foot down and then dictated to all media outlets that they should slander Jacksons otherwise good name. Since you know, every Eagles move since Chip has been here doesnt clearly tell you who is in full control of the roster.

          What fantasy world do some of you live in?

    • KobraKai7474

      They’ve pretty much told you. He was NOT a Chip Kelly kind of player… not as a person and not as a player. Chip Kelly wants team guys who will do what it takes, in season and off season, on the field and off the field, to win. Off the field, DeSean Jackson… on his best day… did the minimum necessary and, by DeSean’s own admission, he was prone to let personal stuff affect his preparation and play. On the field, he was fast and ran good patterns, but never once threw a block (which is critical in Kelly’s offense) and was very nearly worthless in the short game between the hashes (which is, again, critical in Kelly’s offense). When all was said and done, Kelly decided that, for all his talents, he wasn’t worth $10 million per year. The alleged gang stuff didn’t enter into the decision except that it impacted the timing. Right up until that stuff was released, the Eagles thought they could get a draft pick for him.

      • Glenn

        Spot on. Except for the part of running good patterns. Jackson was all speed and quickness. He could run a vertical sure. But he didn’t do the little things with his routes to make his enormous ability translate to more production. He should have been unstoppable with his elite speed and quickness. Maybe he gets the coaching he didn’t get here.

  • Glenn

    Good for him. He deserves the chance to stick it to Chip Kelly and the Eagles. What better place to do it than the NFC east. I do not agree with the decision. I do not agree with the way it was handled. DeSean wasn’t perfect. But he was a dynamic playmaker and did some good things off the field. I wish the coaching staff was able to do a better job of bringing out the best of him. They counted on Vick and avant at times. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he does well for the skins.

    • gil

      Good Riddance to Jackson…he is the Redskins problem now.

  • Gil

    Jackson had to take a big $2.5 million year pay cut, to sign with awful 3-13 Redskins.

    Redskins will still be in last place…….Eagles will be in First Place.

  • KobraKai7474

    Without even knowing the details, I would bet this is essentially a 2-year, $16 million contract with a large bonus up front and small 2014 and 2015 salaries…. and with a salary in 2016 that is meaningless because he would be cut, traded, or renegotiated before that would ever take effect. I can’t help but notice that Mr. Jackson cost himself $2+ million this year (and more beyond this year) by not being a team player.

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      Its 3yr. $24m/$16m-G. Which is $10m more than he had coming in guarantees than he had here. All in all I’d say he made out, because I don’t think we’d have paid him beyond this year regardless. It’s a hell of a lot more than most “experts” who swore he’d be playing on a 1yr prove it deal thought he’d get.

      • Adam G

        As soon as he negotiated with the Skins the 1 year prove it deal was impossible due to their cap. Nobody thought he would get a 1 year deal with the skins. And yes, he’d be better off if he was playing under the Eagles contract, but that was never going to happen. His salary would become guaranteed on first day. 1 year 10 mil guaranteed is better than 3/24 with 16 guaranteed.

    • HowieDon’tKnow

      Great shill posting for management. Bottom line, Skins just got better and Eagles just got worse. Maybe this won’t hurt them but the trend line is not good at any level. Let’s see what happens with Mathis. With Eagles repudiating their contract with the player, it’s hard to argue that players have to honor their deals with Eagles. Since Mathis is not an inner city kid, the Eagles will have to go with redneck cliches when they dump him. Stay classy Jeffy.

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        Mathis asked for a raise. The Eagles didn’t ask him to take a pay cut……I think they’re still OK image wise as far as the players go. They sign guys who produce. Just don’t come looking to renegotiate in two or three years or you’ll be looking at condos in a new city.

        • HowieDon’tKnow

          Evidently you don’t read the papers, listen to the radio or think critically.

  • Andy124

    Frankly, I’d be more worried if somebody other than the Redskins signed him. I’ve seen them “win” too many offseasons and seen how that works out for them.

    • John E. Zang

      Lets not forget they still have Haslett at DC haha. Mind boggling…

      • Adam G

        How he still has a job I have no idea. Maybe he has some pics of Snyder…

        • Andy124

          If RAJ can still be employed, so can Haslett.

          • Adam G

            RAJ DEFINITELY has some pics. Only way I can explain that. I think he’s the worst GM in Philadelphia that I can remember and is flat out dumb.

  • midddletownwatch

    this is the same receiver who was basically shut down by some ham and egger from the saints right????

    • Andy124

      Brace for:
      It was Foles’s fault!
      In 3…2…1…

      • Andy124

        Nailed it.

        • Richard Colton

          I’m actually not even mad, that’s amazing

    • Will

      Yepper…

    • HowieDon’tKnow

      If by shutdown, you mean NF did not pass to him, even once, until the end of the 3rd Quarter, yes. And, CK (aka, the “Genius”) did not try to stretch the defense with a long pass to him before then, yes. Last time I checked Mr. Misspell-your-own-name, a WR cannot throw himself the ball.

      • Will

        In fairness he is absolutely right DJax was wide open at least twice for TD’s on go routes and Nick Foles didn’t get’em the ball…

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      That ham&egger is considered one of the best cbs in the league. He tops most list of pro Bowl snubs the past 2 seasons. Just because you don’t know who he is doesn’t make him a nobody.

      • Will

        What is his name?

        • ODBorBustAllDay

          Keenan lewis

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            No relation to Greg….. Who is a ham &egger

      • oreofestar

        Keenan Lewis is not great and not a pro bowler granted he is still a pretty good player and one I wanted last year but he is only solid granted he is not a no name

  • DEaglesWay

    Cary on Jackson is going to be an interesting matchup to watch this year!

    • Will

      Cary’s to slow to keep up with DeSean that would be a huge mistake by the Eagles…but they know DeSean better than anyone else and will game plan for him…putting Boykin on him playing press man coverage will take him out of the game almost…Cary runs a 4.4 40 Desean runs a 4.33…Brandon Boykin runs a 4.35 40…

      • GEAGLE

        Desean will burn him a few times, but Carry will make it tough for him to get off the line…be interesting because they both know each other’s tricks and how they think…..by now it should be pretty obvious that Billy Davis can scheme the hell out of some defense, and I like my chances with him knowing how to scheme Desean out of a game, having had a year for him to watch Desean, and how Brad,Cary and Boykin do against him in practice….think we hold the advantage more then Desean knowing our CBs game

        Can’t wait to see Cary throw Desean to the ground like a Ragdoll for the first time

        • Will

          Agree Billy D is doing an amazing job with a lot of unknown player’s with what 9 games under 21 points…impressive wish they would write about Billy D and his Defense more…

      • John E. Zang

        Simple. Get physical with his skinny little a$$ and filter zone coverage through the middle of the field. He’ll alligator arm every pass.

  • oreofestar

    I am going to go to my Jersey burning ceremony soon :(

  • Glenn

    This is just another great example of an nfl team not honoring a contract. Jackson had three years and 30 million left on his deal. All he did was have a very good season and made the pro bowl. The eagles didn’t even have the decency to cut him before free agency started. And allowed the gang tie innuendos rumors to inflame the situation. It is funny how we get upset when players holdout or leave their team In free agency for richer contracts. Can you really blame Jackson and the others when the eagles show their disloyalty time and time again?

    • Adam

      Did DeSean honor is contract by asking for more money after the season was over?

      • Glenn

        I know he didn’t ask to get cut. I think he would have liked some of the money guaranteed instead of none of it. You see what happened to maclin during camp last year? I heard he asked, the eagles said no, and he was ok playing with his existing contract. The eagles cut him because they didn’t want him and what he was scheduled to make. So they reneged on the contract. My point is if people think that is okay then I support players who do what it takes to get what they can. Because the nfl certainly doesn’t care about the players.

        • Adam

          DeSean had every right to ask to the Eagles for more money. And The Eagles had every right to cut him. It’s the nature of the NFL. There is no right or wrong party involved. Just business.

          And I’ve seen no reports where DeSean said he was OK playing under his old numbers.

        • peteike

          this is exactly right, if your point is just the double standard fans always complain when a player holds out. I always side with the player (99% of the time). I dont get when fans get upset when this stuff happens constantly. Its just the nature of the business from the owners side, but when its a player, so many fans take it personally.

      • anon

        That’s a super tired narrative.

        • Adam

          Not sure you understand the meaning of the word narrative. Those were words he said on the record. Not my account of something.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            He didn’t ask for a new deal. A reporter asked him if he felt he deserved one. He shouldn’t have answered the question the way he did, but he still want going around pouting about his deal. That’s the tired narrative. That he was in TO mode, looking to get paid like 2011

      • oreofestar

        In fairness Kelly specifically said Desean did not come to him for a new contract

    • oreofestar

      ….I….this just…never mind

    • Brian

      Whatever.

    • Andy124

      Define “honoring a contract”.
      I mean, do you think they actually violated the terms of the contract?

      • Adam

        Did he take the contract out for a nice dinner, did he call the contracts father to ask permission first, did he call the contract the next morning etc.

    • HowieDon’tKnow

      Absolutely right. Birds are a disgrace for how they handled this, particularly in light of their role in the NJ.com story. Not sure how all of these posters can take management’s side in these matters, particularly for NFL players.

    • oreofestar

      Uuuuh they did honor the contract in the sense that they did not violate it, all guaranteed money was given all terms were agreed to an both parties did what was expected and making it through a contract in the NFL is not common, it was essentially a 2 year 18mil deal in hindsight

    • Richard Colton

      Yeah. DeSean’s blameless here. Unbelievably naive perspective Glenn.

      • Adam

        I wonder if he knows Maggie.

        Like.. Glenn and Maggie.. from the TV show.. with the zombies..

        • ODBorBustAllDay

          Good one

          • Will

            LMAO…

        • ODBorBustAllDay

          Maggie jokes are like the express Lane to my heart!

          • GEAGLE

            She is too consistently worthless to allow on my screen…she gets instantky minimalized before i can read more then her first 3 words, lol i get a kick out of the pathetic people who post under every one of my comments, yet i never read it and they dont get a response out of me lol….wish I always knew about the minimilze button…its making this so much more enjoyable

          • Will

            Am I on the black list? LMAO…good for you…the troll killer button love it…

          • GEAGLE

            Course not….YES! The Troll Killer button…love it

      • Glenn

        Never said he was blameless. I said that the eagles didn’t honor a contract. And cut him in a way I don’t agree with. The eagles could have had the decency to release him before free agency. Desean wasn’t always perfect. But neither are the eagles. The fact you choose to insult people who post opinions you don’t agree with or understand shows true naviety.

      • peteike

        hes just making the double standard point about how most fans perceive players and its valid. I would just say that it happened to work out well for everyone but ya, hes not completely blameless either.

    • Will

      DeSean wasn’t willing to renegotiate, the Eagles were not paying him
      10.5 million.The Eagles know when DeSean wasn’t happy $ wise he would
      just quit and not play up to his ability.So they could pay 10.5 million
      or cut him no other team was gonna pay 10.5 million for DeSean and give
      up a draft pick as well … So after careful consideration of all the
      options they cut him…which is a blessing in disguise now CK can go get
      his guy and another AR player bites the dust….

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        I can’t agree that Desean would have packed it in again. Totally different scenarios. Last time he had zero financial stability and had just suffered a very serious string of concussions. And still had 2yrs on his rookie contract to avoid a career ending injury…….This time he was set to make at least $16m total if he got cut after this season, and would essentially be in a contact year, playing to impress teams for his next deal. And again, HE didnt ask for a new contract a reporter asked him if he wanted one. Shouldn’t have responded the way he did, but it’s not like he was banging the drum. Ultimately he knew he wasn’t seeing that $36 million in total so he expressed a desire to get a new deal with more guarantees than the $6m he had coming. I don’t fault him for trying. The contract is such a small portion of the reason he got cut. If he worked harder and put the charecter issues to rest they’d have paid him.

        • Will

          Have to agree and disagree…The Eagles were not paying 10.5 million for him period. DeSean or his agent refused to renegotiate which if he got traded other teams were not gonna pay 10.5 million either and give up a draft pick,,,Megatron makes 6-7 million a year, I do not think there was any way DeSean was staying he can not block out on the perimeter which is a must for all the bubble screens….and when other’s blocked for him he did not rush well on the bubble screens to him which is why CK is so happy to have Sproles…watch this year all the yards we pick up in the flat because no LB can cover Sproles, the WR’s will take out the CB’s and all Sproles has to do is beat a Safety one on one…

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            People keep bringing up Megatron too which makes NO SENSE! He’s in the early years of a $100 MILLION Dollar deal with over $50M GUARANTEED! The a guarantee alone is worth more than Desean’s whole deal was, so it’s not like he’s underpaid or giving a hometown discount.

          • Will

            DeSean market I thought would be 5 million…better WR the guy in Houston makes 6-7 million…So DeSean did well to get 8 million, the agent made out cause a new deal, the Eagles made out by not paying 10.5 million for a WR that’s not to Kelly’s measurable’s for a WR…and improve there cap situation back to 20 million under the cap again I think…

          • anon

            Andre Johnson? He’s 4,000yrs old.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Andres on the back end of his deal. They structured the salary to go down the final 2 years to hopefully avoid having to cut guys. Eagles did the same thing with Shady. He’ll go from $12m+ in 2015 down to like $8 then $7m. It’s a good strategy but one side or the other will inevitably try to get out of it.

            My problem is we should have dealt him in 2011 for picks if we knew all this extracurricular shit was a worry Instead of signing him we could have had Dawk back to smack around Babin and Nnamdi. But hey

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Pardon me, 8yrs—$132m/$53.25mGuar. His salary this year. …. $13M+……. ballooning up to $20m, $24m, $21m, then 2 bs years $17m&$18m,with no cap hit where he’ll likely get renegotiated or cut and signed by the Redskins.

          • Will

            so what’s the point 53 divided by 8 puts it at 6.6 on average million a year…after that it will get renegotiated the balloon payments rarely get paid…..

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            The dead money goes from $20m down to $12m during those balloon years so they can certainly cut him, but it won’t be cheap. Then figure they’ll have to pay Stafford, Suh, Fairly, and the Tackle they drafted a year ago. They’ll be in a world of hurt. …… Unless the cap keeps going up. I heard it’s projected to rise $10m a year the next few years. … The point is. …. The money is fucking outrageous

        • Kev_H

          I agree. Being careful in 2011 wasn’t going to cost him money and was actually a rational decision. If I were advising him, I would have told him not to take the field without a new deal. Being careful in 2014 would lose him a great deal of money. The more relevant concern this year is that he would be focused on his personal stats and numbers more so than the what the team was trying to do.

      • Mike Calabrese

        Look I wanted Desean to not be resigned after 2011. Didn’t want that type of player as part of our future. However now that we did sign him and saw him in Kelly offense I know for certain that this is no blessing. It’s what had to be done I think, but no rookie WR we draft will give you what Desean would have for at least 2 years.
        We will get through it but we are definitely in worse offensively by far. You don’t just replace Desean and what he did for this offense with a rookie WR. Watkins and Evans will be gone when we pick. Kelly will learn that in NFL your system is important but you can’t just plug in what Desean did for the offense. I get why Eagles made move I guess but to think we are better off to me is really just not true.

        • Adam

          Why does one player have to single-handedly replace DeSean? It’s a collective effort. Ertz improving + Maclin back, addition of Sproles + Avant off the field, all that can collective improve our offense. While a rookie may not put up the same numbers, maybe he’s a better blocker than DJax. Or perhaps we get a guy who is better at beating man coverage than DeSean was. If you watched what Foles did with Criner at Arizona and even what he did last year with Cooper, he likes to to throw to guys and let them go up and make a play on the ball.

          So while I agree no one rookie will replace DeSeans numbers, I don’t think it’s safe to say AT ALL that the team will be worse offensively.

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      I don’t blame the Eagles, it’s business. At times the cap freedom earned from cutting a guy is worth more in the runif you can move on from a player and not hurt your team.

      Who I blame is the idiot fans who complain that athletes make too much money, not realizing athletes make ALL the money. Nobody is paying to see Jeff Lurie and Dan Snyder sit at their desk and make phone calls. We’re paying to see Trent Cole get past a tackle without a RB chop blocking him and blowing Trents knees on his way to sack Bob Griffen, and hoping Bob gets hit so hard he loses his mouth piece and his helmets on backwards……And When Trent and Bob ask to get some more guaranteed money for the show and the risk of life and limb, we call them selfish. They’re not selfish, they’re selling a commodity. It just happens to be their bodies. Did you call Lurie selfish when he raised ticket prices? Or charges $9 bucks for miller lite? Owners are getting dumb rich! We’re the only fools in the equation.

    • KobraKai7474

      Would “not honoring a contract” include letting your contract affect your preparation and play so badly that your team had to fine and suspend you?
      As for the rest of your comments, that is the nature of the NFL. Nobody… NOT ONE PLAYER… gets treatment that is any different. If Peyton Manning learned today that his neck wouldn’t allow him to play a snap in 2014, Denver would cut him before dinner. Knowing this, the players bargain like shysters to get as much guaranteed money as they can, and, as soon as the guaranteed money is paid out, they start asking for a renegotiation so they can get more guaranteed money. I am not saying this is the best system or the fairest system, but it is the system and everybody plays by the same rules. Given the nature of the NFL’s system, all of this actually worked in Jackson’s favor: He went from having a non-guaranteed $10.5 million in salary this year (with the chance that he could be cut at any time) to having $16 million guaranteed (probably over the course of two years, with the third year of the contract merely window dressing).

      • Glenn

        Eagles were legally allowed to do what they did. It doesn’t make it right. And it doesn’t foster loyalty and allegiance. So we shouldn’t be upset when players do what they can.

        • Richard Colton

          Que the chorus of Eagles players complaining about him being cut.

          ***cricket***

          • anon

            Please they saw what happened Mathis when he tried to get more money. Eagles players won’t be saying anything. Notice Shady’s social media has been silent.

            Also only guys who probably like desean are gone.

          • Token

            They could say whatever they wanted under the “anonymous source”. Happened when TO got let go. Nobody cares if Jackson is gone on the team or you would certainly hear about it. In fact, we have been hearing the opposite from players.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yup, Vick wasn’t brought back.

          • Richard Colton

            Because it’s so easy to silence 53 self-entitled millionaires? If that’s the case, then why are the Eagles the only team that can do it? We let a 27 year old star walk AND nobody on the team is publicly or privately upset. It tells you something when you and I are more upset than Kelce and Shady.

          • Will

            Yes Dick your right at the end of the Day it is a business in the end…

          • Richard Colton

            A Dick will always know what end to stick his business

          • Glenn

            So I guess if eagles do not go on record and complain about the way the eagles handled things, they agree with it. When an employee doesn’t complain to the press how their employer handles a former employee, that means they endorse. I’m sure all the players are in agreement that they can get unceremoniously cut even after they have their best season. Don’t be so naive Richard.

          • Richard Colton

            You’ve bought nothing to the table here. Your point was that his being cut will somehow lead other players on the Eagles to see the club as disloyal. OK – thats true, with other players – not DeSean.

            You A) don’t understand why he was cut and B) have completely misread the team’s reaction.

          • Glenn

            He was cut because th eagles believe he makes too much money

          • Richard Colton

            keep telling yourself that

    • Kev_H

      They are honoring the collective bargaining agreement that the players and owners agreed to, which allows teams to bail on contracts without having to pay the remaining salaries. Jackson’s Eagles’ contract was structured in a way that both sides expected that it would be up for renewal going in to 2014.

  • Will

    With the addition of Jenkins the Eagle’s can put Boykin on DeSean, have Jenkins play the slot with Allen/Wolff has your Safeties…Billy Davis and Chip will have a good game plan one way or the other…

    • oreofestar

      Lol I am not fretting over it….We can not subdue the Redskins D unless we get a serious playmaker in the draft but we can certainly disrupt and stifle their Offense and can we take Desean out of a game, probably ot but we can sure as hell bother him and everyone else and give them problems

      • Will

        Yeah the bottom line is I’m glad he went to the Deadskins and not Seattle or SF…

        • oreofestar

          Oh yeah even though I wish he went to BUF or OAK I rather him be with WASH then SF or SEA

    • GEAGLE

      Nolan and Bradley can also fill in the slot spot duty

      • Will

        yup we have a lot of options just need to find the last Safety back there but I can live with Allen /Wolff camp battle winner for one more year…

      • oreofestar

        yeah while our secondary is not great it is one thing…very versatile which is what Kelly wants

        • GEAGLE

          It’s going to be better than people think

      • anon

        Help disguise that blitz from the slot.

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      None of that matters if Bob has 4-5 seconds to throw. Gotta get a pass rush!

      • Will

        Yup ROLB would help, and a big two gaping NT ( like Daniel McCullers 6′ 7″ 352 lbs- Tennesse DT) that would free up Thornton & Cox to beat one block…

  • Danks18

    I thought he would be against wearing red.

    • Andy124

      It’s burgandy, so it’s ok.

      • Will

        lol…

  • oreofestar

    Been watching a lot of tape, I officially like Trent Murphy I am sorry…:P

    • gil

      Yes, Trent Murphy is a big 6’6″ 250 lb OLB that led the country with 15 sacks.
      He will be a great blitzing linebacker for Eagles for many years.

      • Andy124

        Showed better athleticism at the combine than many expected.

        • oreofestar

          Yeah at first I was skeptical but I had to sit down and watch some tape and now I want him I am hoping Murphy, Smith, KVN or Attaochu is at 54 so we can draft one

        • RIP illa

          Why do people keep saying this? Was the bar set that low for him, athletically? I thought his combine was completely on point, with how I view him as not being as athletic as most would want from a OLB. It only confirmed it for me. Could it have been his pro day that people are mixing up with his combine?

          • oreofestar

            I thik he has enough athleticism to get by which is comforting because before I watched tape I had major concerns about it but he looks like he could hold but he beats blocks and has great size

          • RIP illa

            Not nearly enough for me, at least for rush OLB. I can see maybe if you wanted a less athletic guy to fill in for Barwin, but I loved how Barwin’s athleticism benefited him and the scheme. So I don’t want that either.

          • Adam G

            I feel like the fact that he is white affects the perception of his athletic ability. Just a guess.

          • oreofestar

            Nah it is not that I had legitimate concerns on his athletic ability but watching tape makes me feel better he has enough but not elite ability but when you can beat blocks like him and have that perfect size, I can live with it

          • Adam G

            I’m not saying for you, I’m saying for everybody else. Seems like he was tagged with the not as athletic/high motor label that white guys seem to be tagged with often.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            It’s true. White guys have high motors. Black guys are “very articulate”……

            Just like white guys have names like Lenny, and black guys have names like Carl.

          • Adam G

            Hope you don’t think I was implying that. Just saying seems like that tag is applied to white guys often…

          • RIP illa

            I feel that the fact that he is not a great athlete effects the perception of his athletic ability! lol, Seriously tho, that’s why I made it a point to say I and me so much, cuz that’s not what I’m looking at. Yet I won’t rule out that it plays into it. However, I would expect more from so called draft analysis, who are saying this stuff.

          • Adam G

            How much more did you hear about Andrew Luck’s mental acumen compared to his physical skills? He is an extremely athletic QB but that wasn’t mentioned that much from draft analysts.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah I know what you’re saying. This is another reason to stay away from NFL.com scouting reports…lol.

          • Andy124

            For me, I’m honestly just regurgitating what I’ve read from others. How’d his 3-cone compare to his peers?

          • anon

            Heard Kony Ealy’s 3 cone was faster than Shady’s. #Rumor #KonyEaly2014

          • RIP illa

            Lol. That’s why I said everybody. His 3 cone was great and tops at the combine, but that everything else was either bad or meh. I see a little bit of short area quickness, and enough athleticism to look comfortable or not lost while dropping back in zone. But I don’t see the explosion off the ball or 1st step. I don’t see the bend or agility for someone you would want rushing from the outside. Nor do I see the strength. And I don’t see the speed to chase down from behind or down the line, at this level.

          • Andy124

            His 3 cone was great and tops at the combine,

            Stopped reading here. Ready to draft him. ;)

          • RIP illa

            You just doomed our pass rush for years to come! :-)

          • Andy124

            You know Barr’s my guy. Unless he doesn’t pan out. Then I was kidding.

          • GEAGLE

            Everyone said he was stiff DE BJoern Werner type…i was really surprised to see how well he was able to move his feet and move backwards….he did not look like the stiff BJorn who cant play OLB to me…he doesnt move to the top of my list, but he is an extra option that i wasnt sure we would have

          • RIP illa

            I see that. Yet 1st, it was everyone (scouts, fans, analyst) in love with him and saying he was all of this and that. While I’m saying Paul Kruger jr, without the strength. Then everyone got scared at the Senior Bowl and went to the extreme opposite. Now they’re surprised that he’s not running at DT speed…whaaaaaaat??? This time of year is always funny.

  • Jeff Asay

    After living through the Buddy Ryan cutting Chris Carter, only to find out after Carter’s career was over that Ryan saved his life by cutting him, I refrain from snap judgements on whether Chip made the right decision.

    • anon

      Haha what? We’d know if he was a drug addict. We’d know if he’d been in legal trouble. This was a personality / cap cut. Don’t think we should make more of it than it is.

      • Jeff Asay

        Unless you’re Chip and Howie, you don’t know anything. Don’t be a typical Philly know-it-all goon. It’s okay to say I don’t know.

        • anon

          A goon? Every member of philly media has been digging on this story for weeks – especially in this age if there was something like a Chris Carter situation we’d know. The best we got was the NJ.com story that precipitated Djax getting cut and that was irresponsible journalism at best.

          What makes you think it’s something more? B/C one player that got cut 15years ago was a drug addict?

          • Jeff Asay

            You think before the internet journalists were any less probing and questioning? Just saying I think there’s a definitive reason that’s more than just “He’s not my guy and I wanted to save money.” I’m taking a wait and see because history taught me not to assume I have the full story.
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            Truthfully, if they cut him loose for the reason you state it makes no sense. It’s not best for the team until after the draft when they can see what they have in Camp. If Zach Ertz and Darren Sproles and Rookie WR appear able to fill the void left by releasing your Home Run Hitter, you release him in August. It’s also better because he has less time to learn the play book. Especially when he ends up with a division rival.

          • Will

            I believe they had to June 1st, when his new agent blocked negotiating, any trade deal to a new team would have to pay 10.5 million and give up a draft pick…Teams knew the Eagles were not gonna pay that and knew if not they would have to cut him and other teams could get him cheaper in the open market which DC did…

          • KobraKai7474

            In this case, it is actually a lot less. The Eagles decided that DeSean Jackson was not a fit for this team and were actively trying to trade him when the phony baloney “gang story” broke. After that, it became apparent that no team was going to give up anything to get him so they moved on. If the story hadn’t broke, the Eagles might have tried to hold on to him until the draft to see if they could squeeze out something from a team that needed but couldn’t get the WR they wanted in the draft, but, no matter what, he was not going to be playing for the Eagles this season. That decision had been made long before the nj.com story broke. .

          • Jerry Pomroy

            15yrs? Yay, that means I’m like 10yrs younger than I really am! Screw Geags fountain of youth in his basement…lol.

      • KobraKai7474

        Nobody knew Chris Carter was a drug addict when Buddy Ryan cut him. Heck, ESPN made fun of it for years after…. pretty much every single time Chris Carter caught a touchdown with Minnesota (and he caught a LOT of them). It was only much later in his career that he admitted the truth of the situation and thanked Buddy for saving his life. Mind you, I am not saying that DeSean Jackson is an addict or anything else. I AM saying that we don’t know what his issues are.

        • Jeff Asay

          All he does is catch touchdowns.

        • RIP illa

          Could be, but you can’t rule out the fact that that was a different time and age than now. I think we have more access to a lot more info and ways of digging it up.

  • anon

    Honestly we lost Jackson, it sucks but there’s WAY better WRs in this draft. We’re probably going to net $6-8m in cap space and replace him with someone that Kelly wants (and hopefully is from the SEC not PAC-10).

    We were going to draft a WR early anyway.

    • Jeff Asay

      On this we agree. I had the Eagles picking two WR before cutting Jackson.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Who you taking that’s WAY better? Not slighting you. Just curious who you like and think is way better than DJax.

  • #7

    Twice a year SMH

    • Brian

      You need to do a little photoshop work on your avatar.

      • #7

        Nah

      • oreofestar

        he needs to change the avatar, become number 9 get Black Nick Foles

        • phillylove21

          Why?

          • oreofestar

            because Black Nick Foles is life!

  • Jeff Asay

    Redskins officially have the best receiving tandem in the division, if not the NFC. However, with junk on the line and first-time HC I’m not impressed with the ‘Skins overall.

    • oreofestar

      Bears still have the best tandom so that….also Garcon is soooooo overrated he has one great season and had inflated numbers because of all the targets, plus OL, DL, CB. S are very weak

      • Jeff Asay

        Lol, yeah, I was thinking Bears too. We will see if Alshon can put it together for a full season. Completely disagree about Garçon. He flashed with the Colts and that foot injury killed him his first year with the Skins. Last season was every bit as good as Jackson’s but with a terrible QB. We agree the ‘Skins have a lot of holes, but not at the skill positions…except maybe QB. Lol

        • oreofestar

          Nah they are fine at QB and Garcon is not bad or anything I like him I just think he is overrated

          • Ark87

            Yeah I’m not convinced he is what his 2013 stats suggest he is. He’ll have to do it again for me to buy that.

          • oreofestar

            I think Garcon will get A LOT less targets now with ROb and JAX I expect 40 less catches

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        Garcon’s legit. He’s just injury prone. There’s no question he can ball tho. Going back to Indy

        • GEAGLE

          I would rather have healthy garcon than healthy desean

    • KobraKai7474

      It is very easy for a No. 1 WR (i.e. Garcon) to put up huge numbers on a bad team. They were always behind and, thus, always throwing against prevent defenses. Heck, I could probably have put up 80 and 1200 playing for Washington last year. I am sure some stat-head has created a stat that somehow “corrects” passing and receiving numbers based on how much of them were obtained in “garbage time” situations. If so, I bet that stat shows Garcon as being shockingly mediocre last year.

      • anon

        What? Garcon was the only person anyone covered. I’d say his job was tougher than DJax’s last year.

        • KobraKai7474

          I am not saying Garcon sucks. I am saying he is not as good as his 2013 numbers imply. ANYBODY can gain yards against a prevent defense. The whole point of it is to trade yards for time off the clock. The Redskins played in a LOT of games last year where their opponent spent the second half allowing Garcon, et. al. catch passes in front of them.

  • jt521

    would it be possible to trade up for Sammy Watkins? or would that be too costly and unrealistic?

    • George

      the latter

      • oreofestar

        Plus if we trade up for anyone it would be Evans or Barr

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yeah I wouldn’t trade up for Watkins anyway personally. Not as far as it’ll take.

      • Richard Colton

        both, I’d say.

    • Will

      Our 22nd pick is worth 780 pts. next years 2015 1st round is another 780 pts which gives us 1560 in trade pts value…A 1st RD 7th pick is 1500 pts…so the best deal Howie could make if a team agrees would put us at the 7th pick overall and leave us with 5 more picks…I agree with what someone else said we would only do this for Evans or Barr…

  • phillylove21

    Sooooooo what! He’s gone! Desean will be doubled teamed. We will lock up reed and garcon.. We punched Alfred Morris in the mouth last year and we’re only getting better on d.. It hurts our offense if you believe it or not but believe me…..

    There are really great talent in the draft after the first two rounds.. Maybe we can try to get two picks in the third.. Maclin isn’t that home run threat like desean but he “GETS HER DONE”. There’s 5 receivers with his same size/play making ability.. Chip Kelly is no fool.. I hate desean is gone but hell with it.. Let’s move on..

    • Will

      Yep rubber necker’s nothing to see here…lol…you would think this is a train wreck..So CK goes and gets his prototypical WR now big deal…DeSean was not that guy period…shame we didn’t get anything for him but hey that’s the breaks…

    • KobraKai7474

      If we are being honest about DeSean Jackson, we probably don’t even need to double team him all the time. He already rarely makes catches over the middle, and good physical corners could often make him “disappear” for long stretches. Just put our most physical corner on him with orders to mug the crap out of him in the first 5 yards.

      • Adam

        DeSean getting double teamed all the time was a myth. He had trouble beating single coverage against good corners. The only person on this team that saw extra attention was the 8 men in the box teams used to try to stop Shady.

        • Will

          Spot on Sir Spot on…

    • Maggie

      Yes. Yes. Yes.

  • Johnny_P

    It’s actually sad he’s going to the Redskins, so he can see his career go down the toilet. The Redskins organization is a joke and they are not far removed from becoming the Raiders.

    • aub32

      WHAT!!! They were division champs last year. How am I one of the only people to remember this. We aren’t NE. We were 4-12. That means the gap in the NFCE is much closer than you realize.

      • Adam G

        Their division champ year was an outlier, our 4-12 year was an outlier. Two very different situations.

      • Johnny_P

        The skins winning the division was an aberration. They historically under-achieve and sign high price free agents that provide little to no offensive/defensive output. At one point they were a flagship franchise of the NFL’s. Today they are an embarrassment to their older fan base and play at a medicore level the newer generation comes to expect.

  • Brandon

    The Desean Jackson move had to be done. Had nothing to do with gangs or any of that bull. It was about salary plain and simple. The fact that the redskins signed him for less on the open market then we were set to pay him (and they still overpaid) tells you all you need to know. GO EAGLES.

    • GEAGLE

      Dont care that he is gone, i dont even care that he is in our division…
      ….
      But we allowed the Philly media to make sure we got NO value for a guy who just signed for 18mil in guarenteed dollaz….cant just pretend thats OK…

      And if we were going to get his money off the books why wasnt it done before free agency……I think we got what we wanted at the end of the day, Desean out of the locker room and his contract off the books, but that doesnt mean we played our hand right. Blew a good opportunity..bet we didnt even talk to the teams in our division when we were trying to trade him. If we have to play him twice a year. Its ridiculuos to not have taken a pick from our rival…you know that dumb owner wouldnt let a draft pick keep him from getting desean
      ….
      At the end of the day, this will look similar to when Mike Wallace left a well run organiztion like the steelers to go play with dysfunctional Dolphins….only the steelers played their hand right and are about to get a juicy compensatory pick

      • Will

        DeSean forced there hand thinking he would do better than 10.5 in the open market he got what 8 million and we know the skins over pay for FA’s…

        • GEAGLE

          No we still blew it…could have given him permission to seek a trade and negotiate a contract with a new team…basically he could have done all this negotiating with Snyder while still under contract with us, reached a deal with them today, and then us trading him to skins to make it official….we blew an opportunity, cant sugar coat it

          • Adam G

            His agent refused to negotiate with any other team to facilitate trade.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol yea right….maybe now….desean might be ok with the 10mil we owed him, but his agent wouldnt see a penny of that…you play a little hardball, even if you have to hold him til after the draft and get a 2015 pick…if what you just wrote is true, then howie is pathetic getting bluffed by an agent with no leverage so I dont buy it….doubt his agent risks losing a major pay day playing chicken for too long. When teams are gonna draft talented WRs ij 40 days

          • Will

            DeSean is not what CK wants at WR period…and it was all the other things, missing meetings, bad attitude, gang friends and thinking he is entitled to more $ right after a play off loss, CK hates losing, DeSean blew off his exit meeting with CK sure that didn’t go over well either, and lastly CK didn’t want him rubbing off on the new guys…so in the end CK did what he thought was best and got rid of him before off season work outs and give DeSean time to get another gig…

          • Brandon Baltic

            Possible. But then you risk not being able sign any decent FAs with Jackson’s money if you wait too long after the draft though. There’s still some guys out there now. Interesting point though.

          • Will

            CK didn’t want DeSean at off season work outs which starts soon…I think that had something to do with the timely of it…I think the agent manipulated the media in his own interest and convinced DeSean he could get Guaranteed money which DeSean got…

          • Brandon Baltic

            Yeah. In the end it didn’t work out too bad for Desean. Lost 4 million or so from the total value of the contract he had with us but gained 16 million in guaranteed from wash. From his standpoint, he did pretty good for himself.

          • Will

            I’m sure CK has measurable’s for all player’s on his perfect team..WR’s should be 6’4″ or taller ect….I don’t think DeSean fit the criteria of that what ever it is…just watching from last year CK did the best with what he had and set up a new staff so on and so forth now he has had time to look at the roster to transfer it into what he wants not what AR left him…

          • Brandon Baltic

            I don’t agree with that. There are not that many WRs in the entire league that are 6’4 or taller. I think Desean fit perfectly in the system, thats why he had such a big year. CK had plenty small fast guys at Oregon. I just don’t think they valued Desean as a 11m dollar player plain and simple. Considering the deep WR draft, they could prob draft a deep threat, a TY Hilton type, pay him 500k and have him produce like a 5m dollar player. You are getting extra value in that scenario then keeping Desean at such a high price tag.

          • Will

            Agree drafting guys you get on rookie deals that do not cost an arm and a leg…The Eagle’s saw this coming and started shopping him a year ago. Why? CK told Howie this is what I want and put out measurable’s for all positions we got the speed guy in Sproles now which regardless of the draft made DeSean expendable..

          • Brandon Baltic

            I’ll give CK the benefit of the doubt. The guy knows offense. If he says he can get some cheap WRs that can produce in this offense. I’m in no position to say no lol.

          • Brandon Baltic

            You can’t negotiate a contract with a new team while your still under contract with another. Tampering rules.

        • ODBorBustAllDay

          Desean had ZERO LEVERAGE. How’d he force their hand? He was at the mercy of the Eagles until they traded or cut him. He had no power what so ever. Maybe s hold out once camp started, that was his only play. And I seriously doubt he’d have done that.

          • Will

            by not renegotiating for less money the eagles if they kept DeSean would of had to pay 10.5 million for his services which was not gonna happen period, so they could trade him or cut ‘em…

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            I guess they goes back to why should they be in the right for asking him to redo the deal, and him be wrong for asking them?

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            If they needed a few bucks there’s plenty of unproductive players to cut.

          • RIP illa

            Can you provide me with a link of some sorts, where they came to him and asked him to renegotiate. It would make more sense, if that link was from when before all the trade talk, rumors, leaks. and speculation began.

          • Will

            Some one suggested his agent did it. I did not research it b/c DeSean is gone and I believe not what CK wanted body wise for a WR…

          • Will

            Who is DeSean Agent and I will try to find supporting evidence…

          • Brandon Baltic

            May have happened before closed doors and not leaked to the media. The fact that he was complaining about his current deal after the Saints game is not a good sign that he would have agreed to a pay cut though.

          • Brandon Baltic

            This! Perfectly stated.

        • Brandon Baltic

          Will you hit the nail right on the head my man.

      • Richard Colton

        Could have renegotiated a one year deal, then let him walk in free agency. Seriously the FO blew it.

        • Brandon Baltic

          Why in the world would Desean agree to a one year deal? 0% chance of that happening.

          • Maggie

            Perhaps why in the world would DeSean’s agent agree to a one year deal? Not much money for a poor hardworking man, oops, agent.

      • Brandon Baltic

        It wasn’t done before free agency because we wanted to trade him instead of releasing him. That didn’t work out too well. Only option left was to release him.

        I agree we could have done a better job shopping him. It seemed like every team knew we were going to release him before we did it.

      • Max Lightfoot

        It’s actually $16 million in guaranteed money, but that’s because the Redskins always overpay for declining talent. The Eagles tried to get any draft pick, any year, from any team – for this guy and failed. Why, because apparently enough teams believed that compared to this draft load of WRs, Djax was not worth even one draft pick (even a 7th round three years from now) or a dollar more than the amount of say, Maclin’s contract: $3.5 million guaranteed. Except for our pals to the south, the Washington Redskins, who overpaid him at less than $6 million a year.

        And $6 million in dead money? That’s $6 million the Eagles don’t have to spend, and the end result is that they’re still $20 million under the cap, plus they removed a locker room distraction/malcontent/Mr. Bad Example. Plus we can sign two rookie WRs for what – four years less than paying DeSean for one year? Chip, Howie and Jeffy must be happy all around.

        So, if you piss off the head coach and cost a lot of money and/or require heaps of emotional maintenance, you get a one-way ticket off the rooftop catapult. All these teams (except the Redskins and the Cowboys and others w/cap problems) play the money game.

        At least that’s my take.

        • Will

          Spot on Sir..LMAO…that last paragraph is Aces…LMAO…

        • Brandon Baltic

          haha preach on brother

        • Maggie

          Yup. sometimes fans forget that football is a business. Go work in any business, whether in the office or on the factory floor, you show up on time, do not sulk if you don’t like the rules, show initiative or even just do your job. It may be boring, but may lead to raises and good relationships with co-workers. The other thing that a well-run business does is plan for the NEXT FIVE YEARS. They do not just live in the moment.

  • anon

    Barwin isn’t the only player that can write articles (from MMQB via PFT)

    “The Seattle Seahawks get it. The Philadelphia Eagles apparently do not,”
    Sherman writes. “This offseason they re-signed a player who was caught
    on video screaming, ‘I will fight every n—– here.’ He was representing
    the Philadelphia Eagles when he said it, because, of course, everything
    we do is reflective of the organization. But what did they do to Riley
    Cooper, who, if he’s not a racist, at least has ‘ties’ to racist
    activity? They fined him and sent him to counseling. No suspension
    necessary for Cooper and no punishment from the NFL, despite its new
    interest in policing our use of the N-word on the field. Riley instead
    got a few days off from training camp and a nice contract in the
    offseason, too.”

    Sherman also took aim at what he sees as a double standard in the
    reaction to news about players’ off-field troubles and the response to
    Colts owner Jim Irsay’s arrest for driving under the influence and drug
    possession.

    “Commit certain crimes in this league and be a certain color, and you get help, not scorn,” Sherman wrote.

    Sherman, a childhood friend of Jackson’s, thinks the scorn for Jackson is misplaced.

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      Man’s got a point

    • borntosuffer

      Let’s say Foles has similar ties to the KKK that Jackson has to the Crips. Both the Crips and the KKK are terrorist groups according to a high authority (Black Eyed Peas). I’d be interested to hear the new age philosopher Sherman’s take on that. Of course, he also ignores that it is quite possible that Chip just didn’t think Jackson’s production and his work ethic warranted his salary and the reported gang affiliation was merely noise.

      • RIP illa

        He’s not ignoring. It’s not presented outside of Philly as the overall narrative. This is what happens when the Organization released DJax 40 mins after the NJ.com story and took cover behind it. Right or wrong, and then goes on to not speak on the issue. So to us Eagles fans, we sit all day trying to make sense, speculate, come up with theories, and what not. Yet outside, this is the narrative that the team allowed to play out.
        Why do you think that people having been saying that this situation has been botched. Well one point is due to the fact that the team either never had/took control of any aspect of it. No they let the media take control. And this is what you get.

        • borntosuffer

          That’s true. But, assuming the following is true, and I don’t know that it is, would it have been better for Chip to come out and say, “I don’t like DeSean’s work ethic and he’s not worth his contract to me?” I don’t think that does DeSean any favors either. I am not sure how they could have cut him and it come across any other way. It was going to be ugly. Personally, I don’t think there is any other shoe that’s going to drop here. The teams, who spend millions on these guys, are going to know more than anyone else about alleged gang ties.

          • RIP illa

            Nope, didn’t have to be a either or, as either you let the media keep speculating and putting out negative stuff, or the or…you come out and bash DJax. Bout to go eat lunch, so I won’t get into it, but I will say that there are paid professionals, whose sole job it is to control, spin, and get in front of news worthy issues.

    • botto

      they let him go because his work ethic and how he is annoying and sulks, not gang ties

  • GEAGLE

    I need to see a few things to happen in the draft:
    ..
    1) Trade from #22 to #40(early round 2) and get an extra 3rd round pick
    ..
    2)’Trade away our 2015 2nd round pick for a 2014 3rd round pick. Team like the niners who have too many picks and not enough roster spots to keep more than half of them.
    ..
    3) Trade Brandon Graham for a 6th round pick…although even back up DEs make good money, so you can probably get a higher compensatory pick in the 2016 Draft if we keep him and let him walk next year.
    ..
    4) Trade back in one other round to get another 6th, ideally 5th….maybe trade out of round 4 to early in round 5 and get a 6th and a 7th….

    We need young athletes as backups at almòst every position…need to get extra picks, to add as much competition in camp as possible

    • Jerry Pomroy

      22 to 40 is a huge drop to only get a 3rd. I’d want a 3rd & a 6th. And in NO WAY am I giving up our 4th for a 6th & 7th. They’ve added relatively young depth at some key positions. This team needs impact players that can challenge for starting spots & push back the depth chart. There’s some depth.

      Needing more picks doesn’t mean we just sell off our mid rd picks for the “garbage” at the end of draft where we could just pluck UDFAs in certain spots to fill bottom depth needs & could potentially come at better value. I get that it’s a deep draft and we don’t have many picks, but that also doesn’t mean you don’t look to capitalize on adding impact guys up top. Which would be through the 3rd in this draft, as I see the talent pool to be a round deeper than normal. That means you’ll have better UDFAs as a result to round out depth charts.

      • GEAGLE

        WHat are you talking about? Said trade out of round 4 for a 5th and a 6th possibly even a 7th depending how far into round 5 you are trading to from #22 in the 4th
        ….
        I’m sure trading from #22 to #40 gets you a 3rd AND something else..I just use 3rd as worst case scenario…

        And I see nothing wrong with trading a 2015 2nd for a 3rd this year
        ..
        I’d love for BG to fetch more than a 6th but I doubt it…

        Why would you think we would give away our 4th for a 6th or 7th? Doesn’t work that way….you move back from a pick…so you would be moving back from the 4th ending up in the 5th, so you will be compensated an extra 6th possibly also a 7th depending how far back in the 5th you end up

        • GEAGLE

          I’m ok with not having a first round pick, and trading away a 2nd in next years draft, along with trading away BG to end up with:
          Two 2nds
          Three 3rds
          No 4th
          Two 5ths
          Two 6ths
          Two 7ths

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Three 3rds…just sounds like an oxymoron. Like it should be equal to one whole.

            Sorry been doing lots of 5th grade math homework with my son this year and pulling my hair out trying to remember some of this stuff…lol.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol…it’s cool…and like you said, if we can trade out of round 1, depending how far into round two we end up, we could be getting more then just a 3rd…and when you have three 3rds, you may find an opportunity to trade back 13 or so spots and get an extra 4th..so could end up with something like
            Two 2nd rounders
            Three 3rds
            One 4th
            Two 5ths
            Three 6ths
            Two 7ths
            ..
            REALLY REALLY hope we can get out of round 1, and get an extra 3rd for a 2015 pick….then we would have plenty of flexibility to trade back in each round and start accumulating Picks….be nice to add 10 talented young kids to our camp competitions

        • Jerry Pomroy

          What the f#ck does W.T.F. mean??…lol.

          I still like my 4th over a 5th & 6th (maybe 7th). Still think there will be really good players in 4th & 5th will be the dropoff rd this year.

          I don’t mind the ’15 2nd for ’14 3rd. Hell I’d see if I could get a taker.

          • GEAGLE

            Just think the 4th and 5th round talk is misleading…when your pick is in the 20′s…don’t know that a difference 20 draft spot matters as much when you start getting to the later rounds…I don’t know if picking 20 spots sooner is worth turning down an extra pick….a lot of player I’d like to have in training camp competing for spots will be available in rounds 6 and 7 this year

          • Adam G

            I feel like bc of Chip’s reputation with the college kids, Eagles could lure some decent UDFAs into camp.

          • cliff henny

            thought it meant ‘why the face’ nailed it!

    • Will

      Geagle our 22nd pick is worth 780 pts. and next year’s 2015 pick is most likey another 780 pts which gives us a point trade value of 1560 pts. A 1st RD 7th pick is worth 1500 pts. If we get a trade partner we go up and grab Chip’s #1 guy and then we have 5 more picks to wheel and deal with and have 1 great Quality player to start…I think this would be Barr or Evans…If CK wants Evans they go get’em…Mr. Lurie said if Jairus Byrd was a guy CK wanted they would of gone out and got ‘em…CK gets what he wants…

      • peteike

        thats a nice thought but FA is way different than moving up in the draft, esp when they have limited resources. I def think its more likely they trade down then up

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I like Evans a lot. But I don’t think he’s so unique that I’d trade all the way up to the 7th pick for him. He’s a BIG bodied receiver that can go up and get it with some good speed. IF I’M MOVING UP, I’d rather move up for Barr as I think he’s a more “unique” talent. Raw as hell, but his talents and potential ceiling are not as easy to come by.

        • cliff henny

          think they might put a ‘have to buy’ pricetage on him. say he makes it to 19, and it only costs a 4th, mean, almost have no choice. sounds like howie thinks there’s so many, someone will slip. chances of evans falling seem slim, something is up, ton of outwardly interests being shown. though, they did that with Geno Smith. forget who brought it up, but it might be case of wanting to see him upclose as a baseline for other recievers-thought that was pretty good/interesting point. seeing how Kelly and Howie knew Barkley, guess they wanted to get direct comparison look. kelly certainly knows Lee and Cooks, and has 2nd home in LSU so bet he knows OBD and Landry well too

        • Will

          7th is the highest point wise they could climb giving up 2 1st rd picks this year’s and next year’s the pts. are just a guide you still have to find a trade partner who is willing to trade back…and you have to do it before your guy is gone…Mike Evans might be gone by pick 4 and then what?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Barr?? That’s only IF I’m trading up though. Those are the only two I’d consider a big move for. I’d possibly move up a couple (2-3) slots to grab Ebron if he’s there.

            But otherwise I’d rather trade back, if there isn’t anyone I’m salivating over come pick 22.

      • GEAGLE

        I’m trying to move back as much as possible, not up

        • cliff henny

          at the point of 3 minds on WRs now, 5 more weeks it’ll be 10.
          1st…i’m with Will, if Kelly wants Evans, get Evans.
          2nd…wait till 22-they’ll be someone there, if chip can make cooper, after 6 months with another great athlete, sure he can make another.
          3rd…listening to Howie, says they’ll be WR in every round they’ll like. teams will fight over top 10-12, someone will be forgotten, or drop, then in 3rd-5th, start scooping up guys. Heck, there’s 7th rdrs that would be 4-5th in regular draft.

  • matthew brandley

    This will work out as well as McNabb did

  • Will

    I think if Mike Evans is the guy CK wants they Trade up for him…get an OG, ROLB, NT and pick up a UDFA kicker…gonna be very interested in who they target and how they approach the Draft starting with just 6 picks…

    • RIP illa

      I’m not going to doubt that or rule that out, and I would love Evans. But I’d be pissed. I think the price to move up to get the 2nd highest rated WR in the draft is gonna be substantial. More than just a 1 and 3. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I would hate to see another CK draft that focuses on O at the expense of getting impact player(s) on D.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        The best thing CK could do for his offense at this point is to add impact to the defense. I’ll agree to that. Get the defense off the field more, cut down on 1st downs allowed and give the ball back to the offense in better field position. You wanna score a lot of points? Well statistically it’s gotta come from your offense and they ain’t scoring if they’re watching from the sidelines.

        • Will

          Get Mike Evans and OG and 4 picks for the Defense…why a OG Herremans and Mathis ain’t getting any younger…Barbe is the one good back up O-Linemen…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            In this draft you’ll find a good developmental G in rds 5-7 easily. We need 2 of 3 of our top picks to get difference makers on D.

          • Will

            Thinking the Eagles get a WR,ROLB,Safety, NT,OG and a kicker in that order…

          • Adam G

            kicker will be udfa

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Oops, I missed the K. I think that’ll be a toss up. This years UDFA crop will be more bountiful than recent years based on the depth of the draft. I think the draft is about a round deeper than usual.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I could certainly see that. Although, I’d say Safety or CB. Getting a young playmaker in the secondary is vital and I don’t think it matters where this year.

        • RIP illa

          Yup. I wonder how many more teams will use the SD method against us. I think one or two, besides SD, did it last year. That is to hold on to the ball, by slowing down their O and keeping our D on the field, so we had less time to do as much as we wanted to on O. Using that strategy against our D, if they do not improve, allows an opposing team to get like a handful of stops against us, and we are in a real position to lose. It creates more pressure on the O to be perfect.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Thats where execution comes into play. You can’t waste posessions or settle for 3′s. And worse, you cant miss 3′s. Gotta get early leads so they gotta play catch up and move fast.

        • ODBorBustAllDay

          Brandon Coleman

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Guys we all love to talk about the guys at the top, but I also love to talk sleepers. Anyone see any sleepers that they think will far outplay their draft position? I like Will Clarke from WVU, as one of those guys.

    • GEAGLE

      Jonathon Dowling,Safety
      Antoine Exum CB/S
      Biseko lokombo LB
      Taylor Hart DE
      Josh Mauro Stanford 3-4DE round 6-7
      Brent Urban DE
      Justin Ellis NT/DE
      Alden Darby 7th/UDFA experienced playing CB,Nickle,and Safety ASU

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I said sleeper picks, not put me to sleep picks…j/k.

        That’s a lot of effing sleepers. What is this a shore house? Gimme one/two guys and tell me why. This ain’t a hit and run convo. Let’s get interesting.

        • GEAGLE

          Figured if I list a bunch of guys! you would know most of them and end up with like two you don’t know about….
          ….
          Really want Exum assuming we like what we see Medically. Missed first 7 games returning from ACL this year, started 3 games, missed the last 3 games with an ankle…I’m banking on him taking it up a notch now that he will be another year removed from the ACL…played free safety for 3 years, than moved to CB
          ..
          Has the size we want!! 6ft, 213lbs but easily gets up to a chizzled 220lbs depending on what you want him to do for you. Ran a 4.59 a year after ACL surgery, confident some extra time going by, plus Hulls can get his speed and athleticism up a notch and back to where he was…very smart and articulate, the knock is that it can be misunderstood as arrogant….very strong press man skills, experience as a gunner and jammer…quality tackling….great body control and ball skills……raw! needs to work on his technique, but that’s fine cuz we have Cary!Brad and Nolan…

          If teams are banking on him returning to the player he was as a junior, he may not even make it out of round 3, he is that type of talent…I’m hoping depth in this CB class, and a number of CB available with size make this kid fall to the 5th, but I believe in him enough as growing into a better, playmaking Cary Williams type down the road to be ok with taking him in the 4th…..but I’m praying it’s a case of, we strongly considering him in the 4th, chose someone else and find him on the board again when we pick in the 5th…the way we got lucky with Boykin and fOles

          • GEAGLE

            I have my eye on Dowling because his tape reminds me of a blend between Wolff and a poor man Malcolm Jenkins…his college tape is frustrating, but I think he is someone who could appeal to us from the 6th to UDFA…if Mr. Lurie is willing to overlook a huge neck tattoo lol

          • GEAGLE

            Josh Mauro is a Kruger type..that Tall, Long but experienced 3-4 DE from Stanford…could really see Azz and Chip liking this English Born Chap. Tough as nails, fierce competitor, loves to play the game, “strong enough to anchore down and set the edge”…handles double teams a lot better than you would expect a kid that’s 6’7 275lbs…but this is one of those kids we love that have Frames that can easily handle more weight, so I’m sure he will appeal to us late in the draft…but as a develomental 5technique prospect…he needs time to add weight and improve technique,,,he has potential to grow into a nice grunt run defender, but doesn’t have the pass rush potential that Kruger as…we prob wouldn’t take him in 6th, could maybe take him in 7th, but would go after him for sure if he goes Undrafted..

  • Will

    I like Daniel McCluster NT- Tennesse…

  • Will

    I like Russel Bodine OG- North Carolins…