Jeremy Maclin: ‘My Value Is My Value’

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When Jeremy Maclin signed a one-year deal with the Eagles last month, the consensus was that he’d be joining a a wide receiver group that included DeSean Jackson.

Given the numbers on Jackson’s contract and the fact that he had a career year in 2013, it seemed fair to label him the No. 1 guy. But with Jackson’s status still up in the air, the possibility exists that Maclin will be called on to carry the load in 2014.


"I think my value is my value regardless of who I have playing around me," Maclin said when approached by reporters at Todd Herremans' Hoops 4 Help charity event. "That’s just kind of my mindset, kind of how I approach the situation. So like I said, I’m excited to be here and whatever happens in the organization happens in the organization. This was a similar situation when the Eagles decided to part ways with T.O. [Terrell Owens]. That’s just how the game goes sometimes. So I guess we’ll see."

Maclin was asked about whether Jackson's presence makes his job easier in terms of how opponents defend the Eagles.

"In the NFL, guys don’t get double-teamed in this league," Maclin said. "There’s one guy that gets double-teamed and that’s Calvin Johnson at the goal line. Guys don’t get double-teamed in this league. If you weren’t out there and you weren’t able to make plays, you wouldn’t be out there. To have him on the field and able to make plays is a plus for the offense, but at the same time, anybody that’s out there making plays is capable of doing so."

As for his health, Maclin said his straight-line speed is back to where it was prior to tearing his ACL last July. He's running routes and trying to get his quad stronger. The next step is working on his lateral movement.

He may not be full-go for OTAs and mini-camps, but Maclin is expected to be 100 percent for training camp.

"Mac’s doing well, rehab-wise. The one thing about Mac is he’s been there every single day," Kelly said earlier this week. "Even last year during the season he still attended position meetings, he was in the training room, it seemed like every day.

"And according to what everybody’s saying, he’s on track. I think it was a big blow for us losing him in the preseason just because I was excited getting a chance to work through OTAs and mini-camp with him. Very, very talented. He’s one of those guys that if we’re gonna to see a lot of man coverage, I think can do a really, really good job because he’s such a precise route-runner, has outstanding speed, is good after the catch. And so we’re excited to have him back. I don’t know exactly what his status will be in the offseason through OTAs and mini-camp. But I know he’ll be 100 percent for training camp."

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  • GEAGLE

    If Mac hasn’t talked to Desean! and Avant isn’t an eagle, then who the hell are the team mates that Jax contacted to tell he is staying?
    ..
    Players seem to expect that he will be gone, but Todd said he fully expects Mathis to be back.
    ..
    Chip Kelly has no problem talking about how much he likes Maclin and how he likes our outside corners and that he thinks highly of them…but he won’t give much praise Jackson’s way, even when doing so could put this Desean crap storm to bed?
    Doesn’t look good for D-Sean at all

    • RIP illa

      Not for nothing, but I thought we pretty much already knew that this doesn’t look good for DJax’s chances of staying with the team???

      Am I the only one who reads Mac’s quotes with a tone of scorn?

      • PhillySean

        Maybe. Or maybe Maclin was trying to avoid having some journalist put a headline like “Maclin: DeSean Departure would hurt team” out there in the paper/on twitter, etc etc.

        • RIP illa

          That too.

        • anon

          Wonder if people would say shady was irreplaceable or if like Djax… he’s just whatever.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I’ll go ahead and answer that. He’s not replaceable. Which is why I asked the question the other day about what people think happens next offseason when he’s due 10-ish mil and has a 12mil cap hit for the 2015 season.

          • Will

            With Bryce Brown in there I see it…Geez when Speedy’s gone just plug in Mac….this I gotta see to believe…DJax is very talented and made the system look good…

    • anon

      He probably texted, doesn’t sound like anyone texted back.

  • Philly0312

    Is it just me, or does it seem like Maclin doesn’t want DJax around?

    • Chut

      Exactly my thought as well.

    • RIP illa

      Who knows, but it’s not far fetched. He’s always been in his shadow. Not saying that it’s a correct perception, but it would not bowl me over in shock, if that was the case. I read it as more of not wanting to deal with the questions and maybe him being fed up with the organization a little. From his point of view, they did try and low ball him into a long term deal. So maybe some DJax, maybe some parts of the organization, maybe some parts of just wanting to get back and play, coupled with the fact that he’s not a real out going guy.

      • Philly0312

        I see that. Makes sense. He’s always seems like the quiet type overall, so the assumption that he might not really want to deal with these questions makes sense.

      • Richard Colton

        Maclin is no better than #2 WR on this team if DeSean stays. No wonder. It probably will end up costing him millions on his next contract.

    • Stuart Philp

      Why would he want to become the #1 WR with all the snaps and stats and eventual payday that comes with it?

      • anon

        Yeah he does need to earn that second deal. Field is getting crowded over there.

        • Stuart Philp

          Exactly. He’s on a one year deal, and with DJax gone he gets a really good chance to prove he still has it (to the Eagles or otherwise).

          • Philly0312

            I will agree that might be going on inside his head, but I think that ascribes a lot more selfishness to Maclin than he has shown in the past. I’m not saying you aren’t correct, but I think it is taking the negative outlook on his motivations. If Maclin can stay healthy for a season, then personally I think he would outperform DJax, but he has never done it. We will see.

          • anon

            you’d think he’d be the possession guy over these years, but Djax still outperforms.

            If Djax is here does Coop even see the field? Gotta think he’d be the least talented position player (assuming we take WR in the first 2-3 rounds).

          • Philly0312

            Good question. I’d line DJax up in the slot more when we go 3 wide, as he seemed to have more trouble beating press man overall. But if we take a WR in round 2 or 3, I would find it hard to believe that Cooper would see the field much.

          • Will

            Mac never had it before the injury 800 yards not exactly setting the world on fire…….still can’t do lateral movement yet….which is the true test….

          • seanstradomus

            Desean could hardley break 1000 yards in Andy’s system . I believe Maclin could bust that easily in chips..

          • anon

            Neither could shady — what’s that prove?

    • Kelz

      Lol, I was aking myself the same question. He completely disregarded that DJax does get double teamed, which makes it easier on everyine else. He was clearly out for himself. I really do hope he beleives he can be the number 1 receiver, because it doesn’t look like the Eagles really want #10 on this team.

      • anon

        He clearly hasn’t been studying tape.

        • Will

          DeSean drew double teams constantly….mostly Safety help over the top…

      • Jonathan R. Henry

        Safety help is different from a double-team. It is a bit of a technicality though.

        • Kelz

          You may be right, but I sure as hell didn’t see safeties cheating towards Maclin and leaving their corner backs one on one with 10.

          • anon

            What he really meant is no one ever double teams *me*.

          • Kelz

            Do you remember when Maclin alligator handed a slant pass not so long ago? Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of his, but I really don’t like what he said.

          • Will

            yup….remember DeSean got leveled by Atlanta DB no alligator arms there…

          • Tom w

            Didn’t Andy bitch out djax for alligator a few balls in 2011. And suspend him a game.

          • southy

            You want a guy to fight for balls over the middle, sure, but as a QB you can’t make that throw. You’re gonna get your man killed.

            That wasn’t a Todd Pinkston “I lost it in the lights” play.

          • Kelz

            Ok, so perhaps we should stop sending receivers up the middle, right? I forgot, we already have a receiver with that tag, 10. Although I respect your argument, it doesn’t make sense. Going up the middle is a man’s game. Unfortunately, none of our wide outs are equipped to do that. That’s why, we are showing so much interest in this wide out class. Monsters that can go up the middle and go get it 8 feet on the sky. Give me a receiver that can make these plays, move the chains, and be a red zone threat because of it.

          • southy

            You throw a slant over the middle if the coverage dictates that it’s open. If there’s a linebacker/S ready to send your WR into the next dimension, it’s not open.

            This is why conventionally “possession” receivers and TEs were your guys over the middle, because they were bigger guys that could fight for space and take the contact from LBs and Safeties.

            There was a time when people thought long and hard about throwing balls over the middle and rarely did it, because the D was allowed to crush you. The onus was on the QB not to expose his playmakers to crushing blows. The rules have changed a bit which makes it easier for slighter, faster guys to have success over the middle, but the principle still applies in situations.

            I don’t get what doesn’t make sense about that, but I agree with you. It would be nice to have a bigger WR that can operate in the middle of the field, in addition to Ertz.

          • Kelz

            Good stuff!!!

      • Token

        Its because thats a myth. If doubling is having a deep safety on that side of the field, then a ton of WRs get double coverage. Depending on scheme theres often gonna be a safety back there rolled to one side or the other. Some play a single high centerfielder.

        If Jackson really drew all this coverage and made the offense run there wouldnt even be a question of if hes getting traded. When Jackson is shut down its usually by just tight man coverage. Like in the Saints game. Like DRC did to him in Denver.

        • Philly0312

          Concur.

          • Token

            Yea I mean If Desean was this super weapon that made offenses run dont you think other teams would be lining up to give us a 4th round pick and pay the guy 10 mil? Hed be worth it then right? Deseans value to fans is much higher than it is to other teams.

            To be clear im not saying hes a bad player by any stretch. Im saying what fans make him out to be is really out of whack with what he actually is.

          • anon

            Can’t put a high priced WR on the market with this draft coming up.

          • Rj

            Put Calvin Johnson or Aj Green or Dez Bryant on the market and i bet u get at least a 2nd round pick.

          • anon

            2 are still on rookie deals. Maybe you get something good for CJ but doesn’t he make like $14m a year or something?

          • Rj

            Yeah its something crazy like that. But a team like oakland would easily give up a first round pick for him. Not to mention what the vikings got for Harvin. And i know he was still on his rookie deal but the new deal the sehawks gave him is in the Desan ballpark any way. And desean is 2 times as good as Harvin. Smh

          • anon

            That Harvin trade is what got this whole thing started. SMH, they won a SB with $10mm + 3 picks on the bench.

          • Adam G

            I said this before but for multiple reasons that Harvin deal doesn’t matter. The list is pretty short for any non-QB offensive player to get close to that haul in a trade these days.

          • Double Deuce

            Finally a voice of reason, bravo……

          • Richard Colton

            Here’s what he is: a headache prima donna WR without great size. At 27 his best asset is his speed, the thing which is least predictable in an athlete year-to-year. He has had demonstrated success in this offense and is unquestionably the best receiving threat on the team.

            There it is – the good and the bad. Im sure he’d be worth 10million to another team. Clearly he’s not worth 10million AND a premium pick or he’d be gone.

          • EagleDuck

            Word.

        • macadood

          agreed, if anything it’s more LeSean McCoy who is being ‘double teamed’ so to speak with an extra guy in the box to defend against the run opening up some space for the receivers.

          all this talk of double teaming is starting to sound dirty.

        • Tom w

          I’m gonna start calling you prophet because you called this entire djax scenario weeks before anyone including kempski and made a well reasoned football based argument not nonsensical character crap. Took a lotta heat from everyone as well. Well read

        • Sylvy

          Wait jackson got “shut down” in the NO game? I distinctly remember the PI play that should have been a touchdown if Foles doesn’t vastly underthrow him. Go back to the all-22s from right after the game. Even the first Dallas game when he got “shut down” by man coverage. He ran circles around the boys and foles had his worst game as a pro. Tough to be effective if you’re not getting the targets when you’re consistently getting open

          • Token

            Thats living in a fantasy land. Doesnt matter now. Hes gone. We will finally get the answer. Does Jackson make the offense? Judging by the fact that no team wanted to give up a 7th rounder and pay him 10 mil Id say no.

          • Sylvy

            What’s living in a fantasy land? Talking about game tape?

      • Philly0312

        Safety help is not a double-team; cover 1 man, which is dictated by the ground game, not DJax, is the reason Cooper and DJax his long a lot last season. Teams shaded the safety both ways last year. There were a couple games that DJax saw double teams here and there, but lets not pretend that he was dictating coverage – the coverage was dictating who was targeted. DJax increased productivity came on being target near, at or behind the line of scrimmage moreso than any other time in his career, and turning on the speed and getting 10 yards where I only saw 2. So, if DJax were gone, I don’t think it would hurt too bad on the long game, but his ability to turn a 2 yard catch into 10, 15 and 20 yards was effective last year. And his hands are very reliable. If DJax was running the crossing pattern against the saints that Cooper dropped, we might win that game. That said, I agree in principle with Maclin’s statement that WRs do not draw double teams in the NFL, outside of Megatron. It happens, but not like it does with Megatron – that dude is literally double covered.

        • Ark87

          The routes dictate coverage as well, if a safety see’s anybody running a go route, he needs to prepare to be the deepest of the deepest. A lot of the time it’s not respect so much as a safety doing his job.

          • Philly0312

            Concur; good point.

        • anon

          No one cares about your deep route if you never catch the ball. Djax had the highest deep route catch percentage of any WR with 40+ catches, by FAR. So he can do that, and catch behind the LOS, and play in the slot.

          But maybe Kelly showcased all that to move Djax. Honestly Jets should just pay for him, he and Vick have a connection and Vick can mentor the kid. I’ll be sad to see him go though, but i’ll forget about it once the season starts.

        • southy

          I’m starting to think Chip’s approach to WRs is the same as it is to safeties. Find guys that are interchangeable, so you have complete flexibility running the numbers game. Run left, run right, screen left, screen right, safety shades to one side you go long to the other…

    • Will

      I sensed that too, Maclin needs a break out year to get paid….maybe he figures without DJax he would get more targets…one thing is certain the schedule this upcoming year is much harder the Eagles need there A game…Maybe they figure with Sproles they can move on from DJax…

      • UncleCarm

        There are not many guys that have a break out year after an ACL. I think ‘solid’ and ‘a contributor’ is about the best we will get from Maclin this year, then we get to do the free agent dance again next year.

    • morgan c

      Totally agree, esp if you look into last post’s comments too. When asked if he wants him back, he just evades and refuses to say yes. Reading between the lines, for the most part, seems like guys on the team respect his talent and value but know he’s a bit of an ass.
      Also, no Jackson means more touches for Maclin…

  • Token

    Sanchez deal is 1 year 2 million with incentives taking it up to 4 million. If they was any doubt who the backup is, now you know.

    • Will

      source on the deal numbers?

      • anon

        Roto

      • Token

        Was on twitter.

        • Will

          thanks…

    • Stuart Philp

      Works for me!

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      how so? If Barkley wins the job in camp, MS is a 1 yr, $2M 3rd string QB. That’s not outrageous at all. And I think the total cap hit for all 3 would be less than Vick alone last year. Gone in ’15. Worst case (best case?), a rookie beats him out as well and it’s a $2M cap hit, or mid-season trade to a team with an injury for 7th rd pick.

      • Token

        Maybe, but I doubt it. I think hes here to be the backup. I dont buy the “best guy wins” coach speak. Chip has proven he doesnt really go by those words. Its just talk.

  • anon

    Straight hateration from Mac. Says more about him than Djax. He probably knows both him and DeSean aren’t on this team in 2015.

    • RIP illa

      That’s’ what I’m getting or feeling when I read his quotes, but I give him the benefit of doubt and try and try to take into account that other things maybe in play. Either way, DJax may not get doubled, but Mac definitely knows who defenses roll their coverage to and knows he benefits from it!!!

  • Will

    Still nothing on Sanchez at Philadelphiaeagles.com hoping a bad rumour and we didn’t sign him after all…

  • Johnny_P

    Djax is a top 10 talent in the NFL. Talent can’t be easily replaced with guys like Sproles and Riley Cooper, I’m sorry, but as much as I like them, they are not special like Djax. Djax and Eagles need to hug things out and make this union work, it would only benefit all parties involved.

    • Token

      Top 10 talent? Not close IMO. I really wish this crap would be over with one way or the other.

      • Will

        I would agree DJax is in the top 10 WR’s now playing…Maclin is certainly not in the top 10 for sure…

      • Johnny_P

        I just feel like fans are running Djax out of town, just like TO. It’s ridiculous. The guy (Djax) is a special special player, a returner, a legit vertical deep threat, keeps defensive coordinators on their toes. Without his presence Riley Cooper would be a dud.

        • jt521

          Riley Cooper was a dud because Vick never threw to him. Djax was still on the field in 2011 & 2012. He’s a great talent but this notion that he’s irreplaceable is absurd, particularly in such a run-heavy offense with young talented weapons all over the field and a stocked draft.

          • anon

            Whole run game is predicated on taking guys out of the box (aka respecting our WRs on the outside). We can’t power run with our OL and its hard to RO with Foles.

          • GEAGLE

            Line up all you big pass catchers our wide and pound DBs with bubble screens til they take a man out of the box…Kelly has many more tools to get players out of the box then just sending a WR to blow the top off a defense….that’s simple minded Andy Reid…chip is way more versatile with it

          • jt521

            agreed, but wouldn’t any of the potential WR’s we’d be drafting replace that speed as well as add some strength in blocking?

          • anon

            Not if they can’t catch. Tons of kids running under 4.4 at the combine, very few are catching 40+ balls a year.

      • RIP illa

        Sorry Token, but your “IMO” isn’t worth a whole lot. It’s what happens when you’re always negative and talking down any and everything to do with the Team. :-)

        • Token

          Well now my feelings are hurt.

  • anon

    I’m officially pounding the table for Jarvis Landry. He’s a straight beast. Beats man, RAC, run blocking. This video might as well be NSFW i got so excited watching it.

    2012 tape but against all the best teams. Day two pick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9pAwlKep6U

    • cliff henny

      good…only been bringing up his name since Sept. hope he runs another 4.7 40, don’t care, he was open all day every day against SEC. think Avant but younger stronger faster and better RAC.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol

        • cliff henny

          watched little on Paul Richardson-doubt to level you or others will. doubt Eagles have much interests. he looks very weak with ball in hands/RAC, and looks most comfortable playing out wide. has speed, but not really elusive/tough to tackle. would think Landry or Huff be much higher on want list in 3rd/4th range. but has speed to burn…and blown ACL, so that’s like moth to flame for Howie/Kelly

          • GEAGLE

            Nah..I will give him a quick look, but I get bored watching offense…where as I can watch defense all day….he had an ACL injury? P. Rich? And I have no clue what round he will go in…rather spend time watching guys I have an idea where they will be drafted and who I think we would like in that area..I’ll watch a video or two of Paul, but nothing crazy, especially after learning Chips definition of elite NFL WR:
            BIG and Blazing speed….so I’ll be watching closely, Moncrief,A Rob, I tried watching Martevis a few times recently but he frustrates the hell out of me and end up watching Sammy..KB, big boy from Rutgers, Jordan Mathews, Devante…By Chips definition, there are some guys with that elite NFL WR potential in this class that can be had after round 1, so I’ll prob spend most of my time on those type of WR, and give a quick looks to the little guys like Brandin and Paul
            ..
            Who did you watch him play against?

          • cliff henny

            told ya, Bryant isn’t much. guess it’s ‘molded clay’ theory, but not a 3rd. guy is rail thin 6’5, imagine his ribs meeting Dawkins. lucky it’s 2014 not 2004.
            .
            Colorado St. it’s little tough to tell much outside of where he looked comfortable and he wasn’t breaking any tackles…qb stinks, guess that’s to be expected

          • GEAGLE

            Only watched him cuz Cossel was raving about his ability and he gets mocked to the Eagles a lot…but when I watch him, I think..how is he any different from Momah?

      • anon

        And he plays special teams.

  • Will

    Say or think what you will the Eagles Offense is better with DeSean Jackson on the field. I can’t see Cooper or Maclin getting 1300 yards just not gonna happen….

  • GEAGLE

    just pulled off as close to my dream draft as I can realistically get. Normally I don’t accept trades where I’m offered unrealistic compensation, because what’s the point in playing the game unrealistically..But for the purpose of this attempt, I accepted Trades that accounted for getting a 4th rounder for Desean and a 6th for BG..and I got(wish I knew how to copy n past that to here from an iPad):
    ..
    1) #22 ODB ooh baby I like it raw!!
    2)#26 Marcus Smith OLB should be ready to play the run and rush the passer 2015
    3)#22 Donte Moncreif WR
    4)#1 Christian Jones OLB/ILB basically who we pretended Casey Mathews was lol
    4)#16 Taylor Hart DE
    4)#22 Justin Ellis NT/DE
    5)#31 Colt Lyerla
    6)#11 Aaron Colvin. We have enough CB depth to take a talent we can redshirt on IR
    7)#8 Biseko Lokombo OLB

    Didn’t get to address the OL or Safety but we can get thru a year with what we have in both areas. Front 7 would get a serious Upgrade(which is where I expect us to focus of draft picks on that side of the ball). And Chip Kelly would start adding his own weapons and get an infusion of speed on that side of the ball with ODB,Moncreif and Lyerla…

    I’d be pretty damn pleased with front 7 of:
    Thornton/hart…Logan/Ellis…Cox/Curry with Kruger and Hart fighting over who gets to dress each week
    Barwin/Braman..Kendrick…Meco/C.Jones…Cole/Smith who should be ready to be a 3down OLB by next year allowing us to cut Cole.
    ..
    We would have some nice competition with guys like Knott,Phillips,Lokombo,Nadje fighting to make the team and back up Mykal Kendrick

    The addition of Nolan, Jenkins ability to play Nickle in case Boykin gets hurt. Gives us enough depth at corner back to be able to take a talented but injured kid who we can redshirt on IR like Colvin

    Sucks to lose Desean, but I’m pretty sure we can survive with an arsenal of:
    Shady
    Sproles
    Maclin
    Coop
    ODB
    Moncreif
    Benn
    Brad Smith
    Ertz
    Celek
    Case
    Lyerla

    • GEAGLE

      Hope we don’t draft OL because I want to spend our late first round pick on Grasu next year

      • oreofestar

        Grasu!!!

    • Will

      Geagle nice draft….can’t wait till May 8th…..we need picks to take advantage of this draft…DeSean seems like he could be out with the Sproles signing…Brandon Graham just is not a fit for this scheme and would really help him to be traded….hope we get a 3rd for DJax….hard to say what BG will bring thinking at least a 5th….

      • GEAGLE

        If he had more then one year on his contract we maybe could get a 5th, but we are looking at a 6th for him

    • oreofestar

      Uuuuum I would want more than a 4 for Desean but if we were able of that kind of heist I guess maybe I could live

      • GEAGLE

        May be able to get a 3rd from Oakland! but i think the best we could get from the jets is the early 4th Tampa owes them and possibly a 6th or a 7th…

        • cliff henny

          hope not, if he’s gone, hope the 2nd rumor was true.

          • GEAGLE

            Two two’s? I wish!!! Hope so is an understatement

          • oreofestar

            Ahhhh never sleep on the Raiders they are desperate and want to win now and may not have time to wait for Watkins or someone to develop I want their 2 and 5 still think we can get it

          • cliff henny

            never underestimate desperate GMs, in general. think Howie has made it this far, might as well drag it out. Not like Jets or Oak will find any better in next 5 weeks.

          • oreofestar

            exactly a team like Oakland with a desperate GM and Coach and a ton of space I can see them giving us some premium picks a 2 and a 5 or 3 and a 4 does not sound crazy for them

          • cliff henny

            one thing Lurie does great job of is stability. these GMs and Coaches that seen 4 or 5 guys get tossed out in last 10-12 yrs, they cant think about 3yrs down the road. especially on hit and miss like WRs.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah at least with OAK they have zero job security and may not want to wait for a 2nd round pick to develop and they do not have to worry about desean’s pay cuz they are loaded

          • Will

            Howie did say they have a back up plan in place….I think that’s a deal set for DeSean…may not be the best deal but he would be gone….

          • oreofestar

            I think Desean being bliss on social media and reports of him staying are great in makes a team realize they have to give up so stuff for him because no way he will be cut

          • GEAGLE

            Hoping Cleveland gets involved…

          • oreofestar

            Imagine it 35th pick and a 5 for Djax I wish

          • GEAGLE

            Worried because they only have 5 picks…but when you sign 10 dudes over 30, doubt I can put it past them to trade for Desean…hopefully they trade back from 5, get a nice amount of picks so that they can easier afford to trade for Desean and get some youth on their roster…if they keep the 5th pick, it wont look good IMO

        • oreofestar

          Awww hell nah I am expecting more Howie’s got a “plan” and I want the league to force the Jets to give us a fraking pick for tampering

    • Richard Colton

      Very nice draft. You took Ellis in the fourth, I’ve seen him on some draft expert’s top ten list. High risk/High reward. Your first four picks alone justify the entire draft, but I would have liked to have seen someone other than Colvin added as CB depth. Terrence Mitchell maybe? If he lasts until round 4/5. Colt may have been too high.

      • GEAGLE

        Colt was too high for sure, Someone mocked us trading BG for a 6th that lands us Lyerla…but I know how that game views Lyerla, and if I didn’t take him with the last pick in the 5th, I wouldn’t have gotten him..

        Ellis, I had no choice, because after that 4th I wouldn’t have picked again til the last pick of the 5th and I doubt he would have lasted. They gave me an F for taking Hart in the 4th lol. But I doubt he will ever last til the 6th like some people think…one of those kids I think the NFL likes a lot more then the mock community…

        taking C Jones, pissed me off lol, damn computer knows me to well..they took Christian Kirksey with the last pick of round 3(damn Seahawks) so I had to take Jones with the next pick.

        I like T Mitch, but I think Colvin has a big upside, while Mitchell is a Poyer type….In reality. Teams that have too many picks and not enough roster spots like the Niners will draft Colvin, especially since they could use talent at that position…

        • GEAGLE

          I could see us trading BG for a 6th that gets us Lyerla…but I know he wouldn’t have fell to me in that game

        • oreofestar

          Yeah I would love Colvin but the Niners will just Lattimore him

    • George

      I’d LOVE that draft. I think we’ds thrive with that group

  • Will

    I wonder what the Eagles do if they can’t move DeSean…and have 6 picks….do they go up? or trade back?

    • oreofestar

      Hmmm trading back is an option, trading up would only be for Evans or Barr or someone in striking distance but only if they get more picks maybe we get a 5 or 6 for BG get somebody to cough up a 7 for a guy like Smith but won’t happen, Cole would have been a great trade asset but his salary in 2015 will scare everyone off with a decent salary he could have gotten us a 4

      • Will

        Thinking they go up for Evans….

        • oreofestar

          Nah I do not think they will unless they get more picks but I feel if they move up for somebody it would be him I am sure Chiip would salivate at him if we trade Desean for lets say a 3 and a 5 then yeah I can see it but if we go into the draft with 6 picks no

        • Richard Colton

          I would.

          • oreofestar

            Depends on the price but I would definitely be talking about it if I were them

          • Richard Colton

            Just think he’s tailor made for this offense. Looks like we might be able to count on Jackson for another year; same with Maclin depending on price. If we somehow come out of this draft with a legit #1 receiver, I really don’t care about the other pressing needs.

          • Will

            OLB is a pressing need…would think we get at least one with our 2nd pick after WR….

          • Richard Colton

            Maybe. It’s important to temper expectations. On May 11th, everyone we draft is a future All Pro. Then they play the games. 1/2 these guys we’re talking about in the top 50 won’t pan out. So if we do go WR/OLB/D-line/D-backfield in some combination with our first four picks (or WR/OLB with the first two) what are the odds that all of them become legit starters or stars?

            I guess what I’m saying is this – if we walk away from the 2014 draft with an All Pro WR, that’s a good draft. Would I like the other rounds to address: edge pass rush, interior stoutness, safety play, world peace, O-line depth, and the Crimean Crisis? Yes. Probably won’t happen.

            Sorry to get all Token on you.

          • GEAGLE

            Last year we went 4 for 4 (Barkley doesn’t count)
            ..
            Lane will be a probowler and if anyone can find betting odds on him ever reaching probowl status, please let me know so I can bet my bank account on it..
            ..
            Ertz you have to see in person to really get how special he can be, watching him run on TV does him no justice…when I had that field pass for the skins game, dude flew by me so fast in warm ups my jaw hit the floor…..plus it helps that veteran players think the world of his potential…

            Benny can play, can’t pound the table and promise probowl production, but he will be a solid piece of a Dline rotation.,..
            ..
            Coaches see pretty high on Wolff man, players I like Cary who probably give less compliments than Token, seem to think Wolff can be a good player. I can’t just assume he is going to be a sepia starting safety..but aft seeing how much our coaches got him to improve since college, I think I can comfortably assume that we will want him on the field in some capacity, not a situation where he sucks and hope we never have to use him…basically I’m trying to say that if he doesn’t grow into a quality starter, he will still be a subpackage guy we use in games…and for a 5th round pick, that’s so.id value I even if he doesn’t startbe

          • GEAGLE

            If Wolff was a rookie CB, I don’t think Cary’s praise would mean that much…but for Cary to take a safety under his wing! a player who isn’t even in the same meeting room as him, I would assume he thinks highly of his potential…and dude has been around hall of Fame safeties..obviously Wolff isn’t Ed Reed, but there are some positive signs

          • Richard Colton

            Barkley counts; actually he counts as two because we had to trade up to get him. Willing to give him and Wolff an incomplete for now. Let’s say though (sake of argument) you’re right and it was a 4-for-4 draft. That’s INSANELY good. You hit on three or four guys in your draft class, you had a good year.

            2013 is spoiling us, just like 2011 ruined us.

          • GEAGLE

            Of course Barkley will count. We just can’t count him yet because it be ridiculous to try and judge him at this point..
            ..
            What we need to do, is go back and take a look at Jimmy Johnson’s first 3 NFL drafts…He drafted so many quality players that I can think of off the top of my head when he made the leap from college, but I don’t remember how many picks he busted on those first 3 drafts where he knew all the players out of college…
            ..
            We know Jimmie drafted really well, but we should go back and see how many busts he drafted…I don’t know how Chip will draft on 2017…but I really expect this to be his signature draft!’

          • Jerry Pomroy

            For arguments sake, let’s just focus on rds 1-3. That’s where you need to hit more than miss to be supremely successful. Hitting in Rds 4-7 is really just icing on the cake.

            If we can go 2/3 in this draft, on top of going 3/3 in the first 3 rds last year…that would be great. Especially since we’re picking from much lower in the barrel this year.

          • Andy124

            Psh. 2013 sucked. How many Super Bowls have they led us to? How many of them have made a pro-bowl or are top-5 at their position? Take off your midnight green tinted glasses and see that class for the mediocre failure it is. :)

          • Richard Colton

            True. Turns out everyone we drafted in ’13 had their worst statistical year as a pro. I double checked.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It was the best of times. It was the worst of times…

          • Andy124

            I see what you did there.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I can always count on you Andy! ;-)

          • oreofestar

            Oh yeah Evans, Maclin, Coop, Sproles, Lyerla, Landry, Ertz, Shady I am already seeing it it is wonderful

          • cliff henny

            love seeing you defensive guys coming around. Evans would put up video game numbers with Kelly. slot, LOS screens, he also blocks, can do slip passes over top. guy was made to play for Kelly

          • anon

            Why trade up when you can just get a TE — i mean that’s basically what you’re getting – a TE with hands.

          • oreofestar

            Well fine lets get Ebron then :P

          • GEAGLE

            Doubt he compliments Ertz well on a team that likes to run alot…thinking if we draft a TE early, he will be similar to Celek…which makes me think we will really like Sefarian Jenkins….

          • oreofestar

            I wasn’t serious

          • GEAGLE

            He is a serious talent, you almost have to think about it if he is on the board. But I would hope him falling to us would be an opportunity to trade back, tho I doubt GB would let him get by them, with the loss of Finley(ATleast i assume he is gone)

          • cliff henny

            Arthur Lynch out of Georgia. feel like 5th range makes sense, Kelly’s getting a wr and need lbs early.

          • GEAGLE

            I know he can run and catch…but I haven’t watched him yet, so I literally have no clue what type of blocker he is…like Jenkins because he is that athletic pass catcher we know Kelly likes, but also a physical! bruising blocker in the run game, and he was asked to block at Washington state..like how can I project Ebron to play Celeks spot, when UNC split him out wide all game long? He was never even asked to block on the line….if we can’t get someone we like at 22….don’t sleep on us trading back to like 30 and taking Jace Amaro..a better version of James Casey who was asked to block in college….Ebron was basically Mike Evans at UNC..really hard for me to see us projecting him to play Celeks spot down the road…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But that’s why I don’t think it matters. Ebron could be an Evans, just as Evans could be an Ebron. I honestly think Chip wants to go as big as possible across the board & then slip in the little multi-purpose Sproles. That’s why I think maybe he sees DJax as expendable. He wants to go big and he can’t do with DeSean what he can do with Sproles, or did with DAT & LMJ. Which is line up in the backfield and be able to really sell run or pass.

          • GEAGLE

            I think that’s exactly what Chip wants…I just happen to think Sefarian Jenkins can be a very good NFL pass catcher. Did he run the 40 at the combine? Don’t remember…

            Basically, I guess I’m trying to say, that the difference between the two as pass catching weapons probably isn’t even close to the difference between the two as blockers…Like I said, Ebron is a serious serious talent, so if I’m right, we still would have to seriously consider that type of talent..but if we do draft Ebron, then I would assume we will keep 4 TEs…where as, if we were to draft a TE like Jenkins,Amaro! we could easily cut Casey and just keep 3 TEs…but I wouldn’t hate drafting Ebron as a WR at all….but eventually, as in Longterm, I think we will want 3 TEs who are stylistically different, but have more talent than Celek and Casey. A group like:
            1) Ertz as the Jimmy Graham, type
            2) Jenkins as the traditional TE/Celek type
            3) and Amaro as that Hernandez Hback

            Ebron doesn’t fit that mold, but so damn talented that I could def see us drafting Him and turning him into a full time WR…you might as well, because I suspect it will take like two, three years to turn him into a quality blocker

          • GEAGLE

            Then again it pretty silly of us to be comparing Ebron and Jenkins just because of the TE label, when in reality, if we drafted Ebron, would we really be THAT surprised if we also drafted A Jenkins/Celek type….they are so different player that adding one doesn’t substitute the other….so we probably both right

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s what I’m saying. On an Ebron, you can’t slap a position title on him. So if you did take him, you could follow him up with a more traditional blocking TE. I’m not necessarily pounding the table for Ebron as much as I’m saying I see Chip wanting a big versatile receiver, not another smaller framed speedster.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Eh, I beg to differ slightly. I think Chip has a hard time saying no to BIG talented receivers, especially TE/WR types. I’m almost certain Kelly had Howie watching the Jimmy Graham scenario play itself out. So since he’s tagged, he’s refocused to Evans.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t disagree…he absolutely seems to like that…but he also seems to really like being able to run the ball and his TEs seem to be important to the blocking schemes…I’m not ready to just assume that Ebron will be a better NFL player than Ertz, and stylistically they would be used the same way…unless we draft Ebron and just make him a WR, and still carry two TEs who can block plus Ertz, I don’t see how he really fits…wouldn’t be surprised if Chip thinks he can take Lyerla in the 6th and have him provide much of what Ebron does…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Isn’t that what I said yesterday. If Evans is gone and Ebron is within reach, I’d move up for him. Now I wouldn’t mortgage the house, but I’d cut back on utilities.

          • oreofestar

            Aaaah you got me Cliff I have been captivated by Evans (ODB too to a lesser extent)

          • cliff henny

            it a lot easier when you just accept it, eagles will be offensive tilted team, so that includes money and draft resources.

          • GEAGLE

            Barr,Evans, ODB or trade out of round 1 altogether….if we can’t trade back, knowing Howie, I could see them just letting the clock expire and not drafting anyone because they don’t want to pay anyone else round 1 money lol….could you imagine?

          • anon

            “tilted” might be an understatement.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s fine. Just give us a friggin beast of a pass rusher at ROLB. That addition alone, as it stands right now, makes this a very formidable defense.

          • cliff henny

            I kid, want LBs too. no issue with 1st round LB, and if Evans isn’t there at #22, actually prefer dropping back, cause think Kelly can make about 5 or 6guys other than ODB work, so grab another pick. if they go wr with first, by pick #54, I will be freaking for that OLB, trust me.

          • anon

            Like who, i don’t think there’s any dominant 3-4 guys out there. And there’s good separation between talents of top 4-3 guys and the mid-level 4-3 guys.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Fixated…lol. Cliff has placed you under his spell.

          • Will

            Not coming around just being realistic that Chip will just bubble gum and duct tape a defense together and roll with it…

          • jt521

            and 6’5″ doesn’t hurt in the red zone

          • GEAGLE

            MORE LINEBACKERS!!!! :)

          • cliff henny

            hope you get 2 or 3. i’d be happy with wr,lb,wr,lb,wr,lb with current 6 picks

          • Richard Colton

            Perhaps you’ve seen my LB/LB/WR/LB scenario?

            1) ROLB Dee Ford
            2) ILB/OLB KVN
            3) WR Moncreif
            4) ILB Christian Jones

          • cliff henny

            perhaps you’ve seen my WR/WR/WR/WR/WR/WR scenario…which is more likely?
            .
            not huge on Ford, but KVN, DM and CJ would off-set any issues. put that Boise St freak in there instead, and Landry in 5th, i’m in heaven

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t worry Cliff – as much as I WANT to see pass rush and Linebackers in this draft (full disclosure – there is a certain LB I want cut), I’ve got your back if they go offense heavy in the draft. I see a number of scenarios where we go offense first four rounds.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yeah, Goode needs to be cut :)

          • cliff henny

            i’d have fun with you guys on here, but truth would be some concern. Cole and Ryan’s need help in top of draft, however it’s sliced up.

          • GEAGLE

            Love the kid from Boise..what a beast…but his 37 suspensions just don’t scream “Chip Kelly guy” to me…but I’d be pretty damn hype to see is draft him

          • cliff henny

            a, suspension for what…and b, they’re playing football, not selling girlscout cookies for F sakes! chip Kelly guy is total bs. issue with jax was never on the field or off like media portrayed, it was in the wallet. Oregon fans, enjoy them for coming along for the ride, love that saying, Kelly straight up had some serious bad apples in college, somehow that’s skimmed over.

          • GEAGLE

            Switch Dee ford with Marcus Smith…and I’m SOLD!!!
            ,
            It’s much more sexy than your, daft 5 OL scenario lol

          • Richard Colton

            here’s my thing with your boy Marcus “Darling” – #22 too high, #54 might be too low. How do we get him?

          • GEAGLE

            That is a compromise we could both be thrilled with!!

            I love my defense, but I don’t want to draft a defender at 22 just to draft a defender…we ain’t getting a CB. We won’t like Calvin Pryor,,we won’t get Dee Ford when your head coaches mentions the phrase “set the edge 300 times”…only defenders I think have any shot to even be drafted by the eagles in round 1 are:
            1) haha! tho I’m not personally crazy about him
            2) I guess CJ, but I don’t like his game
            3) Tuitt
            4) Hageman
            5) Possibly Kony..he sets the edge. But we would have to use an Elephant postion where he just rushes every single time, which doesnt seem to be the vision..if Chip doesn’t want QBs to know which safety will be in the box and which will be in coverage(interchangeable safeties), then he isn’t going to want a situation where QBs know that Kony is rushing every time and Barwin is dropping in coverage..disguising our defense seems very important to our coaches, so I doubt we draft a OLB/DE who isn’t any better than Cole dropping into Coverage

            Shayzler is a reach at 22

            The only two defenders I really think would stop us from drafting WR in the first is if Barr or Aaron Donald fall to 22

    • EagleDuck

      Ooooooo! Trade Sanchez for 5th rounder!… Anyone? No? Ok…

      • oreofestar

        Not with that dead money, can’t believe I am saying Dead money and Sanchez together

        • EagleDuck

          Pretty sure any money invested in Sanchez is dead. Murdered in fact.

      • Will

        YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Depends on how the chips (no pun intended) fall come draft day. I’m sure they’ll be looking both ways & keeping an eye on certain players they’d be willing to move up for in case they fall within striking distance. I’m sure they’ll be looking to go either way, or standing pat if a guy they covet falls to 22. If they don’t move up and don’t like whose available at 22, then they move back.

      I don’t think DeSean really changes their overall draft strategy, but rather their flexibility to execute.

  • cliff henny

    didn’t mind Sanchez when thought he was Vet min, but 2.25m guaranteed? seriously, Casey has to be cut today if Howie’s that concerned over ’15s cap.

    • oreofestar

      ridiculous

      • cliff henny

        guess Kelly thinks he can work miracle #7, 4-4 at Oregon, vick and foles so far. know i’m biased, hate the guy, but he wasn’t absolute dogcrap 1st 2 season playing behind great defense. he made some plays. really dislike USC, both of them

        • GEAGLE

          FOles is the QB hands down, no competition for him…Kelly preaches competition, needed a guy that could really put the pressure on Barkley. Bet you Barkley felt much more comfortable last week then he does now. Everyone preaches competition but half the time it’s lip service and coaches just play the veteran that makes a lot of money…when Chip says it, he really means it…he wants you having to battle for your roster spot every day and try to hold onto that spot for real life…Sanchez sucks, but he rattles Barkleys cage! makes him uncomfortable which is a good thing! and gives us someone with experience in case of emergency

          I despise Sanchez…but in fairness to him, he never had weapons, and this will be his 4th offensive coordinator in 4years….like if a QB isn’t given continuity, I don’t believe he stands much of a chance

    • Will

      Coulda paid for a starting Safety instead of a bench warmer…

      • cliff henny

        you had to of played safety Will, have minor obsession with it, ;)

        • Will

          yup slightly… ya think…lol..

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Knew he wasn’t going to be vet min. I don’t believe they’re cutting Casey, either.

      • cliff henny

        probably not. tough to know Howie’s staring at ’15s cap when dangling Jax, yet leaving Casey on books as 3rd string TE for what can clear 7m-8m (he has off-set language) over 2 yrs and then sign Sanchez who takes another 2m away. very tired of Howie and this cap vs Jax convo, then to pay a scrub, ugh

  • GEAGLE

    Lol raiders signed MJD do a 3yr deal…god they suck at life!
    How many friggin dudes over the age of 30 can you sign in one offseason? WTF is WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

    • Will

      Well at least it’s not a WR…still think DeSean ends up in Black and Silver…

      • GEAGLE

        James jones….if they are desperate enough to sign all these old dudes then they are trying to win now due to desperation lack of job security, can they really afford to wait for draft picks to develop and save their job? But only having 5 picks doesn’t look good..then again, they will probably trade back from 5 like they did last year and get ATleast one extra pick

        • Will

          JJ with DJax…..

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          A 5th and D-Jax for their 5th overall. Done.

    • usmcnole

      They’re just living in the moment piecing together a team that can sell some tickets this season

    • Nfl All Day

      Combined with McFadden, the two of them should be able to play 16 games combined…maybe. I always pull for the Raiders. The NFL is a better place when the Raiders are good. They’re the football equivalent of the Sixers.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        I want them to go back to LA so we maybe we can get a 3/4 NWA reunion.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Straight outta Compton!

          • GEAGLE

            That joke of a franchise would be more “CB-4″ than “NWA”

          • Adam G

            Straight outta Locash?

          • GEAGLE

            A crazy mofo named Gusto!!

        • Nfl All Day

          Yeah they have the lowest attendance in the league, total and percentage wise. IDK if LA really wants a team though? Already lost the Raiders and Rams. You’d have to think there’s enough money out there that some group of investors, Magic Johnson or someone would be out there politicking for it, especially considering the market size, but I never see anything like that. Goodell seems more likely to move to the UK before LA.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            The issue is the stadium, not the ability to bring a team there. LA has the size market to handle two teams, but no one seems to be able to get a stadium deal done.

          • Nfl All Day

            Still hard to believe the what, 2nd or 3rd largest market in the country can’t/won’t do what it takes to get back in the league. You’d almost think the other owners/league would really push for it just to be able to have that huge market in their pocket come time to negotiate the next TV Deal.

          • 76mustang

            Stadium deals typically require government involvement and cooperation to get done – California government on all levels is dysfunctional at best…

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I think by the time the next TV deal is negotiated we’ll have an LA team. From what I remember of what I’ve read, and if anyone has other info, please share, but I think the issue is trying to get the stadium IN LA, not in some suburb.

          • Richard Colton

            Oakland fans are clowns. They care about face paint more than the team.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Don’t you disrespect the “Legion of Doom” lookalikes.

          • Nfl All Day

            IDK cuz, they were f#cking irate when Nicky dropped that 7piece on em. You could see the venom they were leaking watching their team get beatdown. I’d definitely put them toward the more fervant end of the fan scale…..

            While we’re on the topic, how annoying is this whole Seahawks-12 deal getting? It was cute when they were a fledgling 7-9 team shocking the world, but now that they have more rings than us I need it to stop, post haste!

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t get me started on Seattle. 90% of those “12 man” frauds just discovered football.

          • Adam G

            They didn’t even make it up. They have to pay Texas AandM for the right to use the phrase 12th man.

          • Nfl All Day

            I concur. This city deserves an NFL Title like no other. Been here since the inception of the league. Support this team through all types bad times and poor management. I will spend the next week bashing this Sanchez move and offseason in general, but come opening day I’ll be there going ape shit as always. WE NEED THAT HARDWARE BAD!

    • Will

      Sproles is 31 ….just saying….

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Entirely different players.

        • Will

          One’s a wrecking ball up the middle the other is a WR for all intents and purpose…

    • Nfl All Day

      I dont think it’s the worst strategy for THEM. Schaub is the type of guy you want in there if you’re drafting a young qb high. They can let him start until it’s obvious the kids the better option. Woodson is damn near ageless. He’s just so damn smart he’ll find ways to be in position and make plays. There’s a handful of promissing young guys in their secondary and LB corp, and I think Rod Streater is a really under appreciated WR. If he played in NE he’d be a known commodity/ solid #2. I’d love to see them surpass the Cheifs, who haven’t done anything to get better this offseason.

      • cliff henny

        but Reid wore a fun fat man’s Hawaiian shirt during NFL meetings, so press was all up his backside. what is it with national media and Reid?

        • GEAGLE

          Did you hear Andy talk? Dude Is just as traumatized by the NNamdi signing as Howie…

    • Dan

      Oakland = The Phillies of football

  • Mike

    Sanchez contract only two million…plus some more if he reaches incentives.

  • GEAGLE

    Sanchez press conference bout to start

    • Richard Colton

      “Hey Mark – since you only moved 60 minutes South, will you still be able to date your 17 year old girlfriend?”

      follow up – “since you won’t be sniffing the starting lineup, plan on eating cheesesteaks from Talk of the Town during the game?”

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        “Mark, when she turns 18, do you plan on trading her in for younger model with less wear and tear?”

        • Andy124

          Not until I find one with pretty hair bands I can borrow.

    • Tom w

      Eskin should have a field day

      • GEAGLE

        The brilliant Zack Berman thought an intelligent question to start the press conference was: “so Mark, are you ok with being a backup?”

        Great question Zack Berman smh,,,how do dopes get access to player and coaches? Surprised the next question wasn’t “so do you think you deserve more money?”

        How can we ever get quality eagles coverage when reporters are more interested in asking you a question that could get a negative response, and used to create headlines instead of asking questions that can provide answers that give quality info to fans…

        Are you happy being a backup? Absolutely who the hell would ever want to start?
        ..
        Would you want more money? Of course not, why would I want more money?

  • Tom w

    Jeremiah atta-boy proday today … Big after unable to roll at combine ….. Got a 4.5 unofficial forty time on second run … Looks ridiculously ripped line Terrell Owens …. Long as hell. Waiting on vert and broad jump.

    • anon

      On tv or internet?

      • Tom w

        Espn3 or watchespn. iPad live app if you have cable info

    • Tom w

      6 3 1/2 251. 37 inch vert. Long frame fairly easy to add weight

      • Tom w

        Saw McGovern at his proday … Also titans ravens steelers cards eagles coaches very interested in attaboy ….. Looked athletic but not adept at dropping into coverage and bad hands …. Smooth in three cone and other combine drills. May last to 54 but wouldn’t be suprised if he goes between 43-53. Didn’t blow me away but his wheelhouse is getting to the qb and he does that as well as anyone outside of clowney and Mack

  • Scot

    They should have went after Terrelle Pryor instead of Sanchez

    • Adam G

      That would require a trade.

      • Scot

        Not when they release him in april

        • Adam G

          Right, must be easy to make these calls when you can see the future.

    • Brian

      Sanchez’s value lies in his years of experience, rather than potential.

    • Andy124

      You want a guy that lost his job ot Matt McGloin?

      • GEAGLE

        I actually wanted us to get him a few months ago as a development guy for chip…but after learning that he is demanding trades and views himself as a starter, it’s clear that he is too dumb to run our offense lol…dude should be paying Chip Kelly to teach him how to become a QB, instead he won’t want anything to do with us because we have the hardest young gunslinger in the game!! The Neapolitan Dynamite..#BOOM! Pryor witness the introduction of the RAINMAKER who slapped them around with a 7 piece nuggets….dude had the worst game of his life, got shitted on By his entire city…went cross country on the road and made it rain!!!!! Pryor wants no parts of coming here, so why would I want him?

  • Tom w

    Didn’t realize how djax disappeared last few games of the year and how more effective he was w Vick rather than foles

    • anon

      Nick on avg. 250 or so yds a game, they spread the ball out a lot. But a lot of that middle of the field stuff is open b/c a CB and S are sprinting down the field after Djax.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Is it because DJax is a decoy, or because Chip’s offense maximizes space?

        • RIP illa

          Does it have to be one or the other? I’m pretty sure Chip is way smart enough to realize that Djax’s talent can be utilized to either make plays, or is legit enough to make him an effective decoy to help open up things for others at times.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t.. Someone posted an article recently about a certain play that utilized the middle of the field, but it opened up because of the pattern design. And I’m sure there’s plenty of times where rolled coverage does open things up for others. The wording of his statement made it seem like Desean’s largely a decoy.

          • RIP illa

            I see. And agree. More options the better is what I say.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I can’t argue that.

          • Eagles4Life

            How many times did we seem him in orbit motion pulling defenders’ attention? Selective memory!! lol

  • southy

    Since when is “self-tacklin’” Maclin “good after the catch”? We watching Mizzou film or something?

  • JofreyRice

    my name is my name.

    • CurlyQ

      Upvote for the Marlo reference

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Maclin the existentialist.

  • Dave

    Let me preface this by saying….I’m a djax fan, supported him and the pick since he came out of Cal

    But I don’t understand the over value of him on this team. Is he a valuable piece? Sure. Is he irreplaceable? Not at all. Does he perform up to his contract? Debateable.

    Djax had a career year last year. However, the biggest thing for me is the inconsistency in which he got those numbers. He failed to reach 70 yards receiving in 9 of 16 games. He failed to get 60 yards receiving in 6 of those 9. The 5 games he got 100+ were against Wash, SD, NYG, Oak, Minn…not quite top defenses.

    And I’m tired of the double coverage argument beause it isn’t true. Is it true there is a safety rolled to his side? Sure. But the same could be said for every top receiver (calvin, fitz, bmarsh, aj, etc.) in the league. Compare Jackson’s value (ie. his game by game output versus the money he makes) with a guy who makes almost the same amount of money as him (BMarsh) and you tell me which is more valuable?

    The thinking that this guy is not replaceable by media and fans is a joke. He’s a good player, not great, this isn’t a dawkins. Would he be replaced next year? Maybe not…but last time I checked next year isn’t Super Bowl or bust. In two years there could be a WR on this team that makes you forget who even wore #10…one who is more consistent, blocks better and puts up the same numbers

  • Dave

    Is it a coincidence that the last 5 games coming out of the bye (when the eagles were playing some pretty good ball) that Jackson only got 60+ yards in one game. The Minnesota game…a game in which we also lost. Other than that the guy was

  • Dave

    Is it a coincidence that the last 5 games coming out of the bye (when the eagles were playing some pretty good ball) that Jackson only got 60+ yards in one game. The Minnesota game…a game in which we also lost. Other than that the guy was ordinary.

    Isn’t it possible we’ve already seen how the offense would run without djax? Plug in maclin in those 5 games and tell me the results wouldn’t be the same if not better.

    • Sylvy

      You’re blaming a loss in which Matt Cassell completely torched our secondary on Desean? Who by the way had about 200 yards in that game, had a touchdown on an end around called back, and was a game Desean had a good chance for 300 yards if Foles makes a few better throws/actually finds him when he’s wide open.

      • Dave

        I’m not blaming a loss on him at all. If anything he’s the one guy the lose can’t be blamed on. I’m simply saying that in perhaps his biggest game of the season…the team still lost. He balled that game. But how about the other 4 after the bye week?

        • Sylvy

          see my reply above to your other comment. I think looking solely at yardage is misleading.

          • Dave

            I cited last year but I’m talking about his consistency since he signed that new contract. I think for the amount of money he is being payed that his week to week impact on the game is valued higher than it should be. People constantly talk about double team or rolling the safety to be more exact…but djax isn’t the only receiver that will happen to. Also people talk about coopers year reliant on Jackson when in fact you should accredit it more to coaching/scheme. Then you factor in the off field issues and attitude issues…the positive doesn’t outweigh the negative.

    • Sylvy

      also 2 of those games (Det & Chi) we ran for about 300+ yards. Don’t know how you expect him to put up anything more than what he did. Still, my point is you can’t just look at his yards and say he was ordinary.

      • Dave

        I’m saying inconsistent…not ordinary. His speed is unique…but he’s not as consistent of a WR as his overall stats suggest

        • Sylvy

          That’s fair. But what are you labeling as inconsistent? His receptions and yards each game? Those can be wildly misleading as Sheil & Tim’s all-22 has showed. I don’t remember a game – at least this past season – where after reviewing the all-22 I came away thinking Desean played poorly in terms of getting open at least

  • Nfl All Day
    • Adam G

      Wow. Nice to see some actual investigative reporting for once. That’s pretty interesting.

      • GEAGLE

        Awesome reporting!! Excellent. Such good reporting that we will be lucky to get a 6th round pick…thanks Eliott, as if I didn’t hate you enough…….

        • Eagles4Life

          Excellent investigating, stupid ass story. The places people are taking this is wild.

      • Nfl All Day

        Good point. Actuall journalism. Just wish the news was better. This absolutely KILLS his trade value. If I’m him, he gotta go to Howie and Chip and beg for forgiveness and understanding, even offer to redo his deal in a team friendly manner. Otherwise his ass is getting cut, and won’t find as lucrative a deal anywhere. He needs to be in salvage mode, and trying to preserve his relationship with the Eagles. Time to grow up kid.

        • GEAGLE

          He is done…every national media member like Ross Tucker is already running with this…he is getting Cut before monday

    • Andy124

      I will accept this as firm confimation of my L-Bow theory posted a couple days ago.

      • GEAGLE

        YES!!!!! Yous seriously need to Tweet a copy to Ross Tucker and all the guys running with the Desean gangbanging story

    • Sylvy

      lmao. for someone with such close ties to the crips he wears an awful lot of red. “Desean was nowhere near the scene of the murder” so he must be in a gang? this is typical elliot shorr-parks trash

      • cliff henny

        yup, talk about making leaps. the pic of him making a ‘c’ sign looks like he got caught half way thru making side peace sign. and the ‘CC vs CK’ part is gold.

        • Adam G

          I’m not saying he’s in the gang, but he made that sign twice. That’s not a mistake. And it was known the CC vs CK thing, that’s not new.

          • cliff henny

            I always took it as him building that stupid jaccpot thing. rich white men think differently than everyone else

          • Adam G

            Eh. Being friends with guys who kill people is one step worse than building the jaccpot thing. There was also that rapper that got killed…This isn’t rich white men thinking differently, they just can’t have another Hernandez situation.

  • Bullwinkle

    After reading numerous Chip Kelly quotes, I have concluded that he has an affinity for players who show their commitment to the team and their profession by spending most of their off-season time working out in Philly as opposed to places like CA. Nothing wrong with this and there is some logic to it.

    • Honest_T

      I guess that means “sconces” is on his way out too.

      And Maclin sounds like he wants Desean’s paycheck.

  • GEAGLE

    Desean Jackson is getting cut

    • Tom W

      Source?

  • Will

    Gave up first rd pick 2015 and our 2nd rd pick to move up then traded back twice to get more picks…was after Mike Evans but he went 10th overall in this mock..

    .Your score is: 3649 (Drafting Ability: C-, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: C-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 15 (PITT): Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA (A)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (B)
    Round 2 Pick 25 (S.D.): Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 28 (CAR): Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson (B-)
    Round 3 Pick 23 (K.C.): Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 25 (S.D.): Craig Loston, SS, LSU (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 24 (K.C.): Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 25 (S.D.): Lamin Barrow, ILB, LSU (B)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Avery Patterson, FS, Oregon (E)
    Round 5 Pick 25 (S.D.): Anthony Fera, K, Texas (B)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (B-)

    • Richard Colton

      does anyone close to you know about your addiction?

      • Will

        Rehab is for quitters…LMAO…

    • Andy124

      Stopped reading when I saw Barr. It’s a win.

    • Tom W

      Trade are beyond unrealistic and way off trade chart. Ruined game for me entirely. Try emailing the website like I did and ask them to make trade fall in line w trade chart.

      • GEAGLE

        D what I do…take the unrealistic trade compensation and then make sure you give some of the pics back trading up

  • Brian

    DeSean Released

    • GEAGLE

      Yup…it’s official

  • Burberry Manning

    I think the comments from Maclin are a little strange. I think he is jealous of djax and the attention he has always received. He was the higher draft pick and I have been waiting for this so called break out season for years. He is a solid Wr but I doubt he will ever be a pro bowl wr. Maybe in chip’s system he can produce a big year but he is injured more than djax, drops more ball than djax and even fumbles more than djax so I will wait and see.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    they just released #10.wow that shocked me. not even a trade

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    WOW. Well, any cap issues there were are now no longer.

    • GEAGLE

      Lol I said before Monday..lol didn’t last another two minutes hahahaha

  • Tautalatasi Jr.

    Crazy

  • anon

    RELEASED! That’s cray.

  • Nailed it!

    Apparantly he is connected to gang shootings!????

    • Nailed it!

      What an idiot if this is true…. Desean you coulda been somebody

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      I heard something like that. about crips?

  • Token

    And its over. Jesus. Couldnt even get a 7th for the guy. Regardless of the outcome what a horribly handled situation. I can only guess that they leaked stuff to try and drum up interest that wasnt there? I really dont know what to make of it.

    • Brian

      We do not need Crips (or Bloods) on the Philadelphia Eagles.

  • Will

    Wow unbelievable to just cut em…

  • Brian

    After careful consideration this offseason, Eagles decide to part ways with DeSean Jackson. The team informed him of his release today. ~ Philadelphia Eagles

  • GEAGLE

    Hahahaha ATleast Patriots fans lost their best weapon for being a serial killer, master criminal….we lost Desean for being a wannabe…..this would only happn to us, what a joke

    • Nailed it!

      Reported to be involved with investigation over gang shootings…. not just outta thin air.

      • GEAGLE

        Guarentee he won’t ever be charged with a crime,,,

        • Nailed it!

          Might be the biggest hardo thing said. The story just breaks and you say this haha wow buddy

        • Adam G

          Doesn’t matter. The hernandez thing forces the issue.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh no….don’t get misunderstand me…you absolutely have to cut him!!!! I don’t blame the eagles one bit….but I bet anything that he is no criminal, just someone who hangs on wanting to be cool…which makes him even FOCKIn stupider then Hernandez…ATleast that dude was a psycho committing crimes…bet when it’s all said and done, we lost Desean because he is a friggin CLOWN not a CRIMINAl..which is soooo much worse to lose a great player….what a friggin idiot!!

            It would literally rather lose our best player because he was a a master criminal…we lost this isdiot because he watches too many movies

          • aub32

            So he gets cut because he was friends with criminals. Shouldn’t that mean that everyone on the Pats who hung with Hernandez should be cut?

          • GEAGLE

            Do you think, that if he was playing for someone else, he would still have his job today?

          • anon

            I literally don’t even know what to say. Whatever, he’s going to be a highlight reel somewhere else.

            Coop goes to Chesney concerts and drops the N word — doesn’t mean he’s a clan member.

          • GEAGLE

            I bet I grew up around worse people then those idiots..yet I never committed a felony in my life, don’t think I should lose my job today for it….but you can’t be in the public eye doing ish like this…after the Hernandez story, this is just moronic…you can’t blame the eagles one bit.. Cooper is an isolated incident…I’m sure this is continuos behavior by Desean…if all this could only be traced back to one time where dream happened to take a pic with a criminal, he wouldnt be getting Cut…if it was a one time thing, he would get a second chance

          • Adam G

            Don’t be so sure about that highlight reel thing. It’s not a slam dunk he gets signed by another team.

          • GEAGLE

            Would not be surprised if he sits out like half a season before someone gives him a chance,..wonder if the NFL can suspend someone over this?

          • Adam G

            Can’t suspend without doing something wrong.

          • GEAGLE

            He is going to Seattle..book it

            They get him for Cheap one year deal, he will be as motivated as ever so he can eventual earn millions again…and we officially won’t be winning the NFC

          • Adam G

            No chance. I really don’t know what team takes a flyer on him. The downside is huge.

          • GEAGLE

            What down side? He just loss 10mil and will have to sign a cheap one year deal and prove that He can be a model criticized and productive player, build back enough trust to eventually try and get paid..at the age of 27, he really screwed himself….I don’t think anyone will touch him for months, but when things quiet down in August, someone with a strong locker room(not the patriots, Oakland or San Fran) is going to know they have him by the bals and exploit it for serious production out of desean

      • Brian

        Not involved. Friends with a suspect.

        • Nailed it!

          So yes involved…

          • Brian

            Really? If your friend shoots someone, you’re involved because you know him? Get a clue.

          • Nailed it!

            Did you read the article on nj.com??? Cause it states from the detective that his name had surfaced as part of the investigation. You get a clue if he is part of the investigation he is involved.

          • Brian

            Read it again.

          • GEAGLE

            You can find me pictured with a lot worse men then those clowns back in the day, yet is never committed a felony in my life,…

  • Dave

    Eagles just released Jackson

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Clearly Mac is the insurance policy and we’re drafting a WR early. WTF!

    So the defense has now committed the crime and must make it’s case to be acquitted of all charges. Chip has the floor.

  • Tom W

    Interesting Elliot breaks the story of things that happened years ago and in no way are related to Djax except they are his friends right before we cut him.

    • anon

      Dude seriously. Guilty by association? No real criminal record to speak of. I’d be like look if you want to stay on the team you gotta move to philly and stay here in the offseason.

      Whatever, there’s gotta be something more we don’t know about yet.

      • aub32

        Exactly! Sit him down and make him choose between the team and his friends. This is crazy

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Maybe they have and we don’t know about it.

      • cliff henny

        see how Dallas has Dez on lockdown? for 10m, yeah, gotta do what they tell you

        • anon

          Dude yeah – protect that asset. Dude SF A. Smith? Show you care about the players on your team.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol I had more freedom at the age of 16 then what the cowboys give to Dez lol

          • cliff henny

            i’d be ok with all of it till I read no strip-clubs…at 25, that would have been a serious dealbreaker for me.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol doubt you let that midnight curfew contain you….lol then again, you can keep me on house arrest for 10mil, I’ll just bring Rays Boom Boom room to my living room…bring a whole bunch of Flavor Flavs reality show hoes, and have no reason to leave my house

      • Tom w

        Yea eagles have private investigators that look into all the shit … No doubt there is more. Moreover entire nfl found out as well the last week when they began to look into it. Would have been no trade market. Wonder if the jets leaked the story to get him cut or whether eagles did it to offset fan reaction

  • Eagledelphia

    Well at least we don’t have to hear about it anymore

  • cliff henny

    what the F is going on?!?!?!

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      This is some Crip!

      • cliff henny

        so what!? 1350/9, just don’t draft bloods!

        • anon

          I lol’ed.

          • cliff henny

            it’s really good I don’t have Daniel Snyder type money…eagles would be a mess

        • Token

          He was never going to be as good as fans think he is. If the team doesnt believe hes a 10+ mil WR and Jackson insists he is where do you go from there? Still cant believe out of all this we didnt even get a 7th rounder.

          Wonder if hed take less salary now to go to SF. Stay in Cali.

          • aub32

            He was already as good as fans think. I can see you making that statement about Mac. He’s never put up #1 WR numbers. DJax was as good or better than what any fan expected last year. What were you expecting? 1600yds/115rec/15TDs

          • Token

            I dont forget the prior 3 years. I remember the last 6 or so games of 2013. Shut down in big moments like usual. Hes a flashy player thats more often then not a guy you can count on in tough times.

            Sorry, I just dont think hes the end all be all. Good player for certain. But not a elite WR IMO.

          • Adam G

            You think a team on the West Coast is going to sign him with those friends? Come on.

    • anon

      No freedom of association if you’re on the eagles.

      • cliff henny

        was all prepared for trade, but cut? makes no sense

        • Adam G

          It makes sense if the league knew and didn’t want to trade. Funny thing is, I really wonder if another team will take a shot at him. Now I see why Oak had ZERO interest.

          • cliff henny

            someone will. Jax just got carried away with the Jaccpot persona. and there’s nothing easier to scare in America than really rich old white men

          • Adam G

            Yeah, that have a lot to lose. Even if there is a 5% chance he actually is involved, the PR is a nightmare especially if they knew about it.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    can someone post story?

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      scroll down for the gang one

    • Brian

      above

  • Brian
    • Brent E. Sulecki

      thanks man. wow. what a read.

      • Brian

        If I were Howie, I would have released him. Coupled with the robbery details, it’s too much.

  • aub32

    I hope he goes to the Pats

    • Eagledelphia

      God anybody else in the AFC but them

      • aub32

        We wouldn’t have to see him this year and I’d love to see what he could do with Brady.

        • Eagledelphia

          I hate the Patriots as much as any team in thr division so that would be almost as bad plus they wouldn’t do that after the whole Hernandez thing anyway

          • aub32

            Makes sense.

        • GEAGLE

          I doubt Robert Kraft is signing anyone who has ever known a gang member lol after how Hernandez crapped on them

    • anon

      Would make total sense.

  • Eagledelphia

    Now the onlu question is if Snoop Dogg’s son is the next Randy Moss are we passing on him because his dad is a known gang member lol

  • Eagledelphia

    :( :( “@RoobCSN: The Eagles have had two Pro Bowl wide receivers in the last 15 years. They cut both in the prime of their career.”

    • GEAGLE

      Incredible…

      So…Cliff Henny, talk to me about how your all WR draft works?

      • cliff henny

        RIGHT!
        1.obb
        2.adams
        3.moncrief
        4.landry
        5, hoffman
        7, washington

        • Amar (India)

          Moncrief in the third ??

          • cliff henny

            idk, don’t have them memorized, but yeah, he’s 1st round physically, 5th round hands and routes. Johnny G loves him, but he’s not a 1st round guy

          • GEAGLE

            Lol Barry Finkle says…..

          • GEAGLE

            Pete Carrol will get Desean! and we will have to play a motivated Desean on a cheap one year deal playing to get his millions back….AWESOME!!!

            Might as well trade Mathis??because we ain’t winning the NFC with Desean on the Seahawks

  • anon

    So Ray Rice can knock his woman out, Big Ben can rape girls, i can go on and on and we lose our best player from guilt by association, i hope he goes to the cowboys like TO.

    • Eagledelphia

      Hey I hate it as much as the next guy but the Cowboys come on man

    • aub32

      Ray Lewis????

      • anon

        yeah seriously

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Caught on tape and never even brought to trial.

      • Adam G

        He was literally just indicted.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          When I said “never brought to trial” that was for Ben. The responses went in order of how he listed them.

          • Adam G

            I think there is a huge difference. Ray Rice is a goner for sure. The hernandez thing just forced their hand.

          • aub32

            How? He was nowhere near the scene. They were friends, but that doesn’t mean DJax had any awareness of their criminal activity. He could have thought they were wannabe gangsters as well. How many people had no clue about Hernandez. None of the other Pats were cut for associating with him. This is bull.

          • Adam G

            Pats being friends with Hernandez is really apples to oranges and you are changing the discussion. Djax’s outside affiliation is rife with gang members. How you don’t see this as bad, I think you got a rose colored glasses situation going on.

          • GEAGLE

            I have a feeling he gets to keep his job if he don’t go to jail

          • Adam G

            I have a feeling he will be going to jail or at least a plea. If he pleas, he’s done too. If the cap ramifications didn’t exist he would be cut already. People forget how stringent the new conduct policy is. Remember Donte Stallworth? Dude was suspended a year for drunk driving and killing somebody. Ray Rice, if guilty, willfully beat the crap out of his girlfriend until she was unconcious.

    • Adam G

      They can’t cut rice bc of the cap. But if he is convicted, see ya.

    • Token

      This isnt about just that story. Thats old news. Its about a team not thinking a player is worth a certain amount and a player set on the idea that he is. No other teams must think hes worth that much either, or you throw a 7th in 2015 our way.

      Maybe Chip thinks his system is plug and play to a extent. I mean, it made Riley Cooper a NFL player. Guess we will see.

      • Adam G

        I disagree, if that was the only issue they would’ve waited til the draft to see if somebody would pony up a pick.

        • Token

          Nobody was giving anything for DeSean Jackson at 10.5 Million. They had months, hell a whole year to get something if you believe reports that they thought about trading him last year.

          • Adam G

            All I’m saying, it was still a free option to wait. No reason to cut him now compared to after the draft if it was just for money. Think you’re reaching a bit.

          • Token

            Not just money, its the fact no team wanted to trade anything for him. You dont believe they have been trying for over a month at least?

          • Adam G

            I hear you. But everybody knows the market heats up before the draft and during the draft. I know you are an informed fan. It’s called a free option. In life you should never throw away free options. It cost them nothing to keep him around for 6 more weeks and everybody assumed they would. Howie is not dumb enough to do that. It obviously was about the gang stuff.

          • anon

            this story came out and it was over — see how they cut him right as the story came out.

  • GEAGLE

    Damn now that I’m seeing the interviews of Herremans,Mac and Cole, the quotes Sheil and Tim used don’t even do it justice…basically all 3 players admitted we had to move away from Desean and it was going to happen…reading the quotes does no justice to how adamant our players were about losing desean

    • cliff henny

      they must of known. but why now? dangle him out for another month, 5th anything!

      • anon

        that story came out

      • Token

        It already went on too long. Does no good for the team or jackson to keep it going. Now both can move on.

      • GEAGLE

        No,,,they did what they had to. Too much is out, Lurie isn’t going to be ok with them tricking a team into giving up value for a gang associate…if another team wants to sign a gang associate in this day and age fine, but Shefty is saying Lurie didn’t want to make that decision for a team..you really can’t send someone to a team, and then they find out ish that makes them have to cut Desean…that’s slimy Dan Snyder ish….”because of what the eagles knew we didn’t feel comfortable having him on our team, or shipping him to someone else for value”-Shefty

        • cliff henny

          F Morals, can line them right up next to all the Lombardies!

          • GEAGLE

            You think I would really be mad if we kept him? He can flash all the gang signs he wants in the ENDZONE as far as I’m concerned..but no way Lurie would keep him
            …..hahahahaha jaws is talking about gangs hahahahah
            “Once you are in a gang, you are in a gang…you make 10mil, is a gang really going to let you get out?”- Jaws
            ,,,
            Dude watched too much blood in, blood out
            .,
            Where is L-Bow?

      • Honest_T

        Peter King said on Twitter the Birds had trade offers but elected to just release him outright instead. Wow.

        Also, after doing a little internet reads (so take it with a grain of salt) but also leaving his ear out of his hoodie and the line shaved in his eyebrow are gang related too.

        See that I can be an NFL reporter!

  • aub32

    I wish they would try and bring in Lyerla now as a UDFA? Chip better stick to choir boys throughout this entire draft.

  • Token

    Kelce – We just made an extremely unpopular decision, but I couldn’t be more excited and happy with where this organization is going!!

    • Tom w

      Works for me. Let’s move on.

    • aub32

      They had better be excited for the season because any lull in this offense will make this move even more unpopular, especially if DJax goes somewhere else and balls out.

  • anon

    Once Vick and Avant were gone it was over. There’s no real leaders left on this team for a guy like desean and if you put a marginal rookie on the team could be bad.