Wake-Up Call: A Closer Look At Sanchez

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ORLANDO, Fla. — All the DeSean Jackson hoopla has overshadowed the news that the Eagles are taking a serious look at one Mark Sanchez.

The 27-year-old was released on Friday — the same day the Jets signed Michael Vick. Rex Ryan said they were entertaining the idea of holding onto Sanchez, but decided to move on when the opportunity to land Vick arose. Thus ended a peculiar up-and-down five seasons in New York.


The fifth overall pick in 2009, Sanchez threw 12 touchdowns to 20 interceptions his rookie year yet the Jets made it all the way to the AFC Championship game. They made a return trip to the title game the following season as well. He threw nine TDs and just three interceptions, posted a 94.3 quarterback rating and engineered a pair of game-winning drives in that two-year postseason stretch.

"I think that's a pretty good accomplishment. He's played a lot of good football," Ryan said at the coaches breakfast Tuesday. "Unfortunately, people remember one play."

That play, of course, is the "Butt Fumble."

It was just one sequence, but was symbolic of greater dysfunction. The Jets went 14-17 over the course of 2011 and '12 with Sanchez at the helm. The signal-caller then injured his throwing shoulder last preseason and eventually had season-ending surgery.

The Eagles are interested in signing Sanchez but need to do a medical evaluation before moving forward. Chris Mortenson said the QB is about "80 percent" recovered from the labrum injury.

"Whether he's ahead of schedule or not, he's doing really well," said Ryan. "I know everybody was excited with his rehab."

This would likely be an insurance/value play for the Eagles. It would give them a veteran quarterback with some pedigree at what will probably be a pretty modest price, and another option if Matt Barkley -- another USC product with recent shoulder problems -- does not step up in his sophomore year. And should they take a quarterback in the draft, they would have to make a decision from there.

It's questionable whether he would be a solid option for Chip Kelly. The head coach is big on repetitive accuracy and ball security. Sanchez has a career 55.1 completion percentage and 69 interceptions to 68 TDs. But it's not exactly a market rich with quarterbacks.

"Whoever it is will get a guy that is really an outstanding young man," said Ryan. "He's got some physical tools and he's competitive. And up until last year, he's durable. Unfortunately he had that injury, but he'll do what it takes to get back and get healthy and I wish him the best."

WHAT YOU MISSED

Sheil provides some highlights from the AFC Coaches Breakfast.

Jeffrey Lurie had "nothing to say" about Jackson, but expressed confidence in overall offseason plan.

Michael Vick with some interesting comments on the Jackson situation.

Chip Kelly finally reached out to Jackson.

Howie Roseman explains why the Eagles passed on Jairus Byrd.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Is Jackson staying put? The receiver seems to think so. From Jeff McLane.

In the latest twist of "As DeSean Jackson Turns," the wide receiver called a few teammates Tuesday to tell them he was staying with the Eagles a day after he spoke with coach Chip Kelly, a source close to the situation said...

It was unclear if Kelly made any promises or if Jackson misinterpreted their conversation, but the Daily News reported that the coach told his receiver not to worry about reports that the Eagles were looking to move him and to get ready for camp.

Mike Florio isn't buying it.

It’s way too little and way too late for the Eagles to reverse weeks of momentum pointing toward Jackson leaving the team.  It would be a shock at this point if he’s back with the Eagles.

It would be more than a shock.  At this point, our assessment remains that there’s no chance Jackson will be back.

It doesn’t matter that Kelly called Jackson.  The call should have come days if not weeks ago, if the Eagles remain committed to Jackson.

COMING UP

We'll speak to Kelly at 7:15.

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  • Philly0312

    Mike Florio is an idiot

    • Formidable

      He’s the Jim Cramer of football journalism and a regular Eagles basher. “The louder and more outrageous my statements, the righter I gots to be!”

    • Rob Fink

      Beat me to it. Guy is huge idiot, what an instigator!

    • Rob Fink

      Some people shouldn’t have the audience that they have…

    • Bean

      Self righteous reporters think their reports hold weight in Chip and Howies minds!

    • Kevin

      You know what is more than a shock, the fact Florio still has a job.

  • Uncle Wonder
    • Will

      Now this I find hard to believe…

      • Uncle Wonder

        Apparently he wants a new deal, which is what is spurring this.

    • cliff henny

      hate to agree with Token, but this is why the message of “program building” is half BS to me. you simply don’t get years and years of all happy healthy talent. Not sure how Seattle, SF and Denv have been able to control roster, SF seems to be hitting the bump now with Kaep, Denv and Seattle maybe it’s not being broadcasted as much. hopefully this is just off-season money issues as usually that we aren’t privy too, eagles open the can with Jax and now all dirty contract squabbles will be aired publically.

      • GEAGLE

        I would refrain from agreeing with idiots until something actually happens

    • oreofestar

      This is dmb as hell now we need a freaking guard

  • Will

    So let me get this straight if any Eagle player wants a raise the Eagles response is to trade them….even if we got picks for DeSean and Evan we would lose one star WR and one unsung hero on the O-Line. The Eagles look like they are cheap…

    • travis papa

      The guy is a top paid OG in the league only 2yrs into his deal. Eagles made him a top paid OG with him never being a pro bowler and he was 30 after being a journeyman his whole career. The weed he smokes must be amazing

      • Will

        Evan had a break out year and wants paid…next you’d be okay when they put shady on the trading block…that’s what happens when your $20 million under the cap player’s see that too…

        • travis papa

          According to sportrac he is the 7th highest paid OG in the league. The eagles have been paying him as a top OG in the league for 2 going on 3yrs now. He is being compensated exactly in line with those around him. They gave him security and a home when no other team would.

          • GEAGLE

            Right…F him, don’t trade him, hold him hostage

          • oreofestar

            I know like who the hell is he…no seriously hold him freaking hostage unless we can some serious picks

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t at all believe this….

          • oreofestar

            Yeah but according to this, this is not just random sources the Eagles have actually made it known that he is on the trade block, my thought is they would want a premium pick which a team likely will not give for a guy his age

          • GEAGLE

            There is no value in trading an Old guard, that’s why I don’t believe it..Anquan Bolding fetched a 6th, wtf are u planning on getting for Evan?

          • oreofestar

            I believe he is on the trade block I do not believe he will be traded, they want to shut Mathis up while seeing value considering how thirsty for picks we are if a team like Miami was stupid enough to give a 1 which event hey aren’t he would go but I doubt he goes

          • GEAGLE

            Sounds about right

          • Will

            Paid 7th ranked 3rd best OG in the NFL….but agree his contract is fair for his age…

          • oreofestar

            Plus the man has already gotten paid!

          • travis papa

            Eagles probably overpaid initially and have been getting good returns on money spent. It’s called an investment. I’m all for a guy getting paid when he isn’t making anything but once you sign your big pay day contract in my eyes you have no right to renegotiate that contract until it is complete or terminated. Unless the team comes to you and says hey your a really cool guy here’s another fat check.

      • guest

        Exactly

    • guest

      MATHIS SIGNED THAT CONTRACT!!! He was one of the top FA OGs on the market that year…him, Nicks, Grubbs. He could have held out for more, but he signed a contract that paid him $5 million a year for 5 years. The Eagles didn’t shaft him. They agreed to pay him $25 million….and HE ACCEPTED IT. Two years later, he wants out? F that. He can honor the contract he signed, or he can GTFO

  • Honest_T

    If this is correct, the Birds clearly have their eyes on someone high in the draft. The Birds want to deal older talent for some high picks. I don’t know why you would want to part ways with the best guard in football, unless you see him as easier to replace than an edge rusher.

    Which presents an interesting scenario, the Dolphins need an OL and good leadership along with someone that understands what BL wants to do on offense…and we want Jordan.

    • Honest_T

      Also, if sign Buttfumble, that would make It easier to trade Foles, and maybe we deal Shady too!

      • Dominik

        Chip could draft Mariota instead. We all know he wants that Oregon offense in the NFL!!!!

    • JofreyRice

      “Rapoport adds that Mathis has been placed on the trade block due to his high salary of $5.15 million due in 2014.”

      5 million is too much money for one of the best guards in football? Holy shit. Where are the front office cap fluffers to tell me what a great value we can replace Mathis with from the fourth round?

  • GEAGLE

    Mathis on the trading block lol awesome…F this offense, build a damn defense, I’m tired of chips offensive crap

    • G_WallyHunter

      Where’d you see that?
      Jesus what’s next, Foles traded?

      • oreofestar

        I saw it Rappaport said it, saw it on BGN and Nfl.com

        • G_WallyHunter

          What the hell, that blows lol one arguably the best member of oline ya lets trade him…

      • GEAGLE

        It’s everywhere by now

        • G_WallyHunter

          :(

          I’m guessing boyking and kendricks get dealt next

          • GEAGLE

            Why stop there?p Harbaugh was almost traded to the Browns…why not see what we can get for Chip on the trading block?

          • oreofestar

            Chip for a 4th, Mccoy for a 6th we do not like his character and how about Johnson for a 5th he is gonna be good so lets get rid of him now before he asks for a new contract

          • GEAGLE

            Howie reportedly has just put himself on the trading block….he had a deal in place for Lurie, but Jeffry vetoed it

          • oreofestar

            This just in Howie traded to COWBOYS FOR Jerry Jones and a 6th

          • GEAGLE

            ATleast we won’t be cheap in Free agency…Cliff might head dive of whatever bridges their are in south Cackalackin

          • Will

            lol throw in a smoothie…lol…

          • oreofestar

            Smoothie and 5th for Chip…..deal

  • GEAGLE

    Trade them all… Let’s go full rebuild, F It,, we can wait another 5years for a SB

    • JofreyRice

      rebuild with who? They’re not even being consistent. This isn’t a “youth movement”, it’s just throwing away good players making more money than the FO wants to pay them. Extending Peters at LT in his 30s when we just drafted a T with the #4 overall pick, trading for a 31 year old running back, and extending him. Cole & Herremans are still uncuttable thanks to Haunted Howie. It really seems like they’re shitting their pants vigorously.

      I almost wonder if Lurie’s “They have a plan” message was a preemptive strike for when they do something really boneheaded, more than an assurance about the clusterf!ck they made out of the Jackson situation.

      • GEAGLE

        I hope you don’t think I’m serious….I’d have to be the biggest Kool aid drinking fools since the wacko Texas mass suicide to agree with a full rebuild when we are already one of the youngest teams in the NFL

        How much younger can we really get?

        And why the hell wouldn’t we just trade Todd, and give Mathis a bonus If this were true? I get why we would want to see if we can get juicy compensation for Desean! but I don’t care how great Mathis is! he is an old guard! he has zero value in a trade, so wtf is the point of this?

  • Joe L

    He’s annoyed that Kelce and Peters got extensions? How much longer can you extend a 32 year old who still has 3 years at 5+ million per season left on his deal?

  • GEAGLE

    Sorry but I refuse to take a closer look at the butt fumble. I will NEVER acknowledge him as an eagle

  • Will

    Try replacing Evan Mathis with Herremans on the decline and you will need two OG before long…

    • oreofestar

      Guess we need Zack Martin :P

      • Richard Colton

        I told you

        • GEAGLE

          You sir are a visionary

          • oreofestar

            I wasn’t serious I doubt we trade Mathis but if he chirping about more money just show his ass to the trade block and shut his 46 year old ass up

          • Token

            Mathis is their best offensive lineman IMO.

          • Richard Colton

            He was last year, yes.

          • Richard Colton

            How does my

            1) OG/OT
            2) OG
            3) WR
            4) WR
            5) QB

            Draft look now?

          • Token

            Man, that would be brutal.

            This team probably isnt really competing til 2016, maybe.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. You know it’s tongue-in-cheek. I actually wouldn’t mind it, if they were the right guys. I am floored by the Mathis rumor. People act like you can just find a guard on the scrap heap simply because we did with Mathis and (maybe) Barbre. Its not that easy. I remember the Buddy Ryan days when we could never find a decent guard.

          • GEAGLE

            Depressing, but probably more accurate than I would like to admit :)

  • Will

    I hate the business side of football in the NFL…

  • Bird of Prey

    I think Sanchez is a great idea. He had garbage for coaches and offensive pieces for the past three years and I think he can improve or even thrive in the Eagles system.

    As for Florio and the rest of the press on this(present site excluded), Chip speaks with the press today.

    • Kev_H

      I agree. He was coached poorly in every possible way and he is a very coachable player. His Jets career won’t be the whole story on him. He’s going to contribute somewhere at some point.

      • GEAGLE

        Work ethic issues I hear

        • Kev_H

          I saw him in his first two training camps and that wasn’t the case then. I can’t speak for how things went after that but back then he looked like a sure thing if attitude and work ethic were all that mattered. First to come, last to leave, focused, and spent extra time signing for the kids too. Went to mass on Sunday mornings- he seemed to really have it together.

          Remember the Jets staff are the ones who spent practice time throwing and kicking balls toward the Mexican sideline reporter so they could chat her up. Not a very professional environment up there.

    • Token

      Ehhh, if you watched him play enough you’d see that the “no weapons” excuse is lame. You say that about guys who you watch and seem like they have all the tools just not much help. Sanchez isnt that guy. He doesnt have the tools.

  • jon h

    This reads a different way to me. Eagles really want picks and – like other teams – they seem to be exploring what’s in the realm of the possible. In these normal discussions, it seems like other teams (or agents) are then calling the media to expose the eagles fishing for options and exposing the fact that the eagles are looking for picks for players, thus hurting their chances of getting picks back for players. Don’t believe it until a deal is done.

    • GEAGLE

      Or us trying to scare Mathis into shutting up about a new deal…

      Def think we are desperate for picks, and are trying to see what’s out there

      • oreofestar

        Report – Nick Foles, Lesean Mccoy on the trade block Eagles seeking 3rd round pick

  • Will

    Wanting picks is one thing creating other holes to fill ? I dunno can you find another DeSean Jackson in the 3rd round? What do you hope to get for Evan Mathis a 4th round pick and give up one of the best OG in the NFL? Seems to me you are cutting your nose off in spite of your face…

    • GEAGLE

      No one has been traded…can we not let the media pull our strings and make us dance every day for the rest of the offseason?

    • Kev_H

      It’s not about past or even current performance. It’s about future outlook and allocating resources. Ruben Amaro falls for that flawed thinking saying he can’t replace Utley, Howard, Rollins and then ends up with old, broken down, shadows of their former selves sucking up all the payroll.

      • FluxCapacitor

        I get that way of thinking, but wouldn’t it be smart to have a replacement first instead of trading a very good player and then looking for that guy? Unless one of the young guys really impressed Chip and staff last year I just don’t think it is a good move…unless we get a good OG as part of the trade in return.

    • Joe from Easton

      When/where did the trade Mathis rumor come from?

  • GEAGLE

    OMG Trestman is live on NFL network, I swear to god I though he was a middle aged woman

  • oreofestar

    Chip meeting made me feel good he actually told us stuff, he likes Desean and said no new contract issues I think it is a simple case of a team that wants more picks and will see what they can get from players they feel are slightly expandable

    • GEAGLE

      Where did you see it?…I have NFL network on now waiting for chip

      • oreofestar
        • GEAGLE

          Won’t Click on that site lol..anyone else have the video up yet?

          • Joe from Easton

            In summation; “I like DeSean, he knows where we stand, I can’t predict the future.”

          • GEAGLE

            Lol….unless Desean is the most dedicated offseason program worker ever…bye bye desean

            Dude better Get the hell out of Cali, bring a sleeping bag, and sleep at Novacare from now til the draft if he really wants to stay

          • Joe from Easton

            Yea, that’s what I took out of it.

          • GEAGLE

            Shefty talked about us wanting to see how he acts in mini camp and offseason training

          • Joe from Easton

            That’s what I’ve been saying on here. Especially with mini camp being before the draft this year; why not? Put him through the fire and see who shows up. If he shows up and acts like a little punk then he’s out the door to the highest bidder/shittiest team.

          • GEAGLE

            Hard to disagree with….good coaches, push players buttons, some times it blows up in their face, other times they push players to new levels….

          • oreofestar

            Why not? :P

          • GEAGLE

            I despise the guy who started it. I respect Jason B significantly Less then I respect Florio….and Mike Kaye knows less then John Snow…Brandon Gowton isn’t bad, and he has a lot of influence over there now, so I probably should lift my boycott, but F Them!!

          • oreofestar

            UUUmm welll then just look on twitter they are posting respnses

  • Will

    The Eagles are fishing hard for picks but with only a few value players on this team no one wants are junk…lol…Shady would get you a nice haul…..

    • anon

      fans would revolt

  • RIP illa

    Mathis is now on the trade block?WTF!!! Is this’s joke? What the hell is going on w/ our FO???

    • anon

      no picks when they are trying to rebuild…mathis, desean, no — sanchez,yes!

      • RIP illa

        HaHa. Maybe they should have thought about that before trading for Sproles, when there are 5-10 guys in the draft just like him!

        • anon

          bird in hand — they figured djax was more expendable w/ sproles — but agree, why give up a pick when you want picks

  • JofreyRice

    Amazing! Another USC QB with a bum shoulder. Trash-picking again.

    I remember plenty more than just the butt fumble. The guy is totally erratic as a passer. Can make an amazing throw in the first quarter, and throw three picks in the fourth, where you have no idea what he was looking at. On balance, he’s a lot more bad than good, though. He’s Rex Grossman.

    I’ve posted this before, but it speaks volumes to what they think of Matt Barkley. For a prospect with no real athletic upside, Barkley’s main attribute was supposed to be his pro-readiness. He’s got game experience from last year, was a 4 year starter at USC and the famous Maiter ‘D High School. He’s not a “developmental” QB. He should be ready to be backup quarterback now.

    Ideally, I’d like to see Barkley & Sanchez slug it out for the backup QB job, while they take a guy with actual upside to bring along as the third. Sort of like how Reid played Kafka (Barkley) versus Trent Edwards (Sanchez) while Foles (dev guy from draft) played 3rd. Cut whomever loses the backup QB job.

    • GEAGLE

      You will drive yourself crazy…go the denial route like I’m doing and just pretend he isn’t really an eagle smh

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        who would you prefer? sanchez had shit for coaching in NY. and still compiled a 4-2 record in playoffs. with 2 playoff combacks. and 2 game winning drives. hes better than most people are assuming.and his postseason stats are way better than his reg. season. 9tds to 3 ints and upped his comp. % to 60 ish. CK will do wonders for Marks career if he signs and the kid is only 26. check the medical but if its good I say go.

        • GEAGLE

          While Sanchez had shit for coaching, he is a frat boy with questionable at best work ethic…

          I would have rather had Jason campbell

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            sorry for your loss too

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you sir…btw, you are technically right, I’m not so against Sanchez the football player, I’m against Sanchez the guy with a girl headband in his air…but yes, he is about as good of a veteran backup that we can ever realistically get our hands on…but seeing his face makes me want to get violent

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            right on. if he focuses on football and puts it together im all for it. and I imagine if he is on this team chip will make sure that’s the way. football is his job. not all the other bs

          • GEAGLE

            I spend half my life in Italy, and I hate to admit but guys wearing those gay girl headbands is pretty common in Italy…it drives me crazy when I see it in Italy, now I have to see it in our QB?

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            ehh its 2014 man. guys can wear girl headbands too

          • GEAGLE

            Hopefully the head band makes Azzinaro get as violent as I feel when I see it

        • Will

          I rather have a QB who can throw a football today sick of being the MASH team of the NFL with all the fliers we take on injured players.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            tell me who and im all in. but of a young vet that’s done it. I think sanchez is worth a look

          • CSpangler

            Over 1/2 the NFL players are damaged goods? How do you think we are the only team taking a shot at guys coming off an injury? Most of these guys are cheap to get and some work, others dont. Mathis is my best example of it working. Chung is my worst.

        • JofreyRice

          They did everything they could to minimize Sanchez’ role in that offense; that tells you what they think of the player. He’s worth a look in the sense that he’s probably better than Barkley. That’s about it.

          • jabostick

            That’s the only thing I really see. I mocked the news when it came out but I could see Chip looking at the Jets general offensive direction and saying “they didn’t know what the F they were doing” and thinking he could turn his career around and do so on the cheap.

            Having said that, I’m not sure what he brings that is different than Barkley except some baggage.

    • Token

      Yea you cant have both stick around. You can waste that 3rd QB roster spot. Need a young dev guy there.

      Having two USC bums is about the worst case scenario. We are seeing Chip in full control of roster moves. I dont think I like it. I guess I should prepare for a all Oregon or Pac-12 draft class.

      • JofreyRice

        Almost seems like he was getting his sea legs in that first offseason, and now we’re really seeing where he wants to take the team. Signed a shitty free safety whose team didn’t want back–kinda like Nate Allen for us–and special teams demons. If he ends up moving on from Desean and Evan Mathis…well. I hope he knows what he’s doing, because from the outside, it looks like he’s making some huge blunders.

        • anon

          I think they had numbers on players in terms of marketability. Shady obviously most marketable, but untouchable, Djax, then Mathis. Doesn’t say much for our depth, but guess they like the backup guards we have.

          Though looks bad to give Peters a huge deal and then kill the other guys.

          • Mr. Magee

            You guys are voices that know the eagles and NFL better than I do… And what you’re saying makes me nervous.

            Don’t know why, but I have a warm fuzzy when it comes to chip and his plan (whatever that is)… Funny, cause he was not my first choice as a HC.

        • Token

          If its not clear to everyone now, the Eagles have no plans to contend for a few more years at this point. The Peters deal looks really odd now looking back. Why keep him? You do that if you are planning to go for it over the next two seasons. But then you lose Jackson and complain about spending 5 mil on Mathis. In addition to signing nobody that helps your football team.

          Whatever the plan is, its a real long one. Which I have a hard time seeing right now. I just dont know that Chips program will hold water for as many years as its gonna take to contend.

          Ugh, the plan is to hit on every draft pick. Not only that, but some have to be all out studs. Howie just doesnt have that track record. And Chip will just want all Pac-12 guys if its up to him.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    so what about desean. Now that CK has spoke…

    Zach Berman ‏@ZBerm now

    Chip just finished after an hour. Said many positive things about DeSean. Emphasized he likes DeSean, but will do what’s best for the team…….
    translation: bye desean

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      Zach Berman ‏@ZBerm now

      Q: “Do you want DeSean on the team?” A: “I like DeSean. DeSean did a really nice job for us. But we’re always going to do what’s best

      • Will

        for the team!

        • oreofestar

          Basically he wants Desean here he is not trying to get rid of him but he will definitely look into trading if a team gives up nice picks

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            sooo that’s how you understand that quote?

          • oreofestar

            Yes he said he will do what is best for the team, which would either be having him here or getting picks that could better us remember it is probably not a contract problem because he specifically said Desean has not gone to them for a new deal

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            he also said his offense is not predicated on one player…
            therefore….any and everyone is replaceable

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            the man said BUT. and could have put it all to bed by saying desean isn’t going anywhere and he will be with us this season. BUT he didnt

          • oreofestar

            Why would he say that? And then if he trades him he looks bad to the team for lying and it defeats message of getting trust from players

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            hes in charge of all roster decisions. he has final say. soo if he wanted him hear and wasn’t trying to trade him he would have said so. hes in charge and knows exactly whats going on

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            *here

          • Ark87

            nothing you say before “but” counts

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          right

  • GEAGLE

    Listen, unless all the agents are revolting against the Eagle, we only get to hear exactly what the eagles want us to hear…if this news was leaked, their is an agenda..and that doesn’t guarentee that the agenda is to trade away mathis

    • Richard Colton

      What’s the story with Mathis?

      • GEAGLE

        That he wants money and we placed him on the trading block

        • Joe from Easton

          Where did that story come from?

          • Will

            BGN….

          • Jr

            Nfl.com

          • GEAGLE

            No idea..I just woke up, and haven’t been on twitter since like 6pm last night….

            My friggin boss died last night, I dunno wtf is going on now,..

          • Joe from Easton

            Wow, sorry for your loss man.

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks lol…not too heartbroken over my boss, just worried about my damn job….who else is going to pay me handsomly and let me talk Eagles all day? I haven’t had to look for a job in 6 years, wtf

          • Joe from Easton

            His son is now your boss?

          • GEAGLE

            Not sure yet, he has multiple kids who don’t get along with each other…this just happened, I’m expecting a power struggle and I have no idea who will win it…some of his kids like me, some hated how close I was to their dad….no idea what happens next

          • Joe from Easton

            Damn, man. I’m sure you’re okay in the short term while they have family concerns. I’d start putting together a resume` now just to be safe though. Sounds like you’ve got plenty of experience so it should be a shining one at that. You’ll land on your feet regardless.

          • Will

            Good Advice Joe…well said…spot on for sure…

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you sir…..yeah my resume is pretty kick ass….just really hate going thru the process of finding a new job…IF I HAVE TO find a new job, I can almost guarentee it won’t be half as great as my last one…fingers crossed his daughter gets control…his sons hate me

          • Joe from Easton

            Sometimes the grass is greener, sometimes it ain’t. You never know what lies ahead (except an Eagles SB Victory under chip!) so just enjoy the ride. I know that’s a lot easier said than done, but positivity breeds more of the same, or at least that’s what I’ve found in my short adult life.

          • Will

            If GOD closes one door he will open another…there are no coincidences everything happens for a reason…

          • GEAGLE

            I mean he was 93 with Parkinson’s, I knew this was coming soon….realistically I should be more prepared for this, but I’m not

          • GEAGLE

            What’s crazy, is decades ago, he was really being pressured to purchase the Eagles, for some insanely cheap price(can’t remember the number) somthing crazy like 5mil to 10mil lol and he turned it down(that’s how his relationship with Vermeil started)…..all the time I think of what my life could have been had he bought the damn team :( mind fock

          • Joe from Easton

            Wow, sounds like you work for some serious people. That kind of experience doesn’t grow on trees so you’re going to be just fine by my best guess. Maybe you can get a job with the Birds!

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I’m too emotional over the birds to be able to work for them. I’d be threatening Howies life every other day

          • Joe from Easton

            haha yea I guess I could see the conflict of interest there.

          • GEAGLE

            I would probably get escorted outside the building like once a week

          • Joe from Easton

            If you get a job at nova care I’ll quit mine and become a hot dog vendor right out front so I can watch you get dragged out kicking and screaming once a week.

            “Defense Howie!!! Defense!!! Get your paws off of me you damn dirty ape!

          • GEAGLE

            LOL!! I could see Howie hiding under his desk after completing a trade..”is he gone yet?”

          • Joe from Easton

            Haha – “Papa Jeff, that guy is scary. He gives me nightmares. Can we please fire him?”

            “No Howie, now get back under your desk before I send Chip in here with a yellow foam baton”.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahaha thanks for the laugh…I needed it

          • Joe from Easton

            No problem sir.

          • Will

            wow….that happened to me and I ended up losing my job…my boss loved me not so with his replacement hope things go well for you…

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks….I represented him in all his different business ventures, he was an old man with Parkinson’s…really great man, got to spend a lot of time with Dick Vermeil over the years, they worked on no few small business deals together….great man, he was basically my safety net in life…no idea wtf his son will do

          • Will

            Wow…you might want to jumped off here while at work for a while…maybe…

          • GEAGLE

            Huh? Not trying to be a jerk, i really don’t know how to interpret that sentence

          • Will

            If you at work you might want to reconsidered how much time on the computer you are logged into 24/7 instead of work stuff…unless you work nights and are at home now…assumed your at work now…

          • GEAGLE

            What work? I have no where to be today…..I could end up keeping my job. I could end up laid off…depends which of his kids control the company

          • Will

            Oh sorry my bag…

          • G_WallyHunter

            He’s saying you might want to get off here at work for the time being!! Sry to hear geags

  • Will

    No news is good news. I’m done with all of this til a deal is done….Sanchez 80% healed and they want to sign him? The Eagles look desperate as hell trying to drum up draft picks….

  • 7-10 split

    This is not the story guys Chip Kelly spoke this morning what did he say? All I read from other websites he didn’t endorsed djax coming back next year

  • Eagles4Life

    Ohhhhhh, so NOW everyone is waking up? Lol we were foolish fans when we said it was dumb to put DJacc on the trade block. Evan is there too??? Yeah, that blind following looks great right about now lol.

    • oreofestar

      I still think Mccoy is next

      • Eagles4Life

        Might as well. More picks!

    • RIP illa

      LOL. Love it. Funny how it seems to be working out that way…huh?

      • Eagles4Life

        I really enjoyed how people pulled together the litany of “bad” things about DJacc to try and sell themselves and others on an obviously dumb move. And now, this Evan Mathis news has folks in shock lol. There is really ZILCH negative to say about the guy. Everybody is just on here with their mouths open lol.

        • RIP illa

          Can’t agree enough.

        • Adam G

          Yes, zero negative except asking for more money. I really think the Eagles know value, and to prove it will just put a player on the block if they want more money and don’t deserve it. Mathis is an all pro, but what do you think a 33 year old guard should get paid? He’s no spring chicken.

          • Eagles4Life

            You’re right, no spring chicken, but nonetheless balling the hell out. I’m not advocating a 10 year extension or something of the sort. Only they know what he’s asking, but based on his play and the pay of some of his teammates, I don’t think it’s far fetched to want a little more. We’ll see though.

          • Adam G

            Think that’s the biggest issue, pay of his teammates. Toddfather going to get cut after this year though, Kelce signing and Peters signing don’t help. Bottom line, he’s making just what he’s supposed to. I mentioned before Geoff Schwartz is 27, 2nd highest rated G to Mathis and got 4/17. That’s the market right there.

          • Eagles4Life

            Maybe that should be the market, but let’s not forget that Schwartz has been undervalued. Look at the money other Gs got this offseason and you might wonder why his agent is still employed lol. I would have to look it up, but I remember at least a couple guys getting better contracts than him that shouldn’t have.

  • Token

    Wait WTFs with Mathis now? That kinda came out of left field. I get it I guess. The guy has been the best LG in football for a few years, wants paid more.

    The Eagles probably shouldnt do it tho. I mean I dont know what their philisophy is anymore, but the guy is 33 this season. No way im paying him another big contract.

    We knew a line rebuild had to be coming. Mathis, Herremans and Peters are all on the downside. Looks like its gonna have to start sooner than later now. Evan is a really good player, unappreciated. But its yet another sign that they have no interest in contending this season or probably even 2015. So may as well move on now I guess. Get picks if you can.

    • Adam G

      The report, which is crazy if true, is that the Eagles want to pay him LESS

      • Tom w

        Read both reports and didn’t see that. Saw he wanted a new deal after being best guard in football 3 yrs in a row. Can’t blame him. Can atleast give guy a raise for for next yr. maybe I am missing the report you read. Seems like rappoport breaks every eagles story.

        • Adam G

          IDK how you didn’t see that, its all over the place. Almost makes the story unbelievable.

        • anon

          def cant afford to pay him more. That’s why great players hit FA all the time.

      • Token

        Well, it falls in line with the whole offseason so far, besides the now weird looking resigning of Peters. And I guess the Sproles thing looks worse too.

        If you are gonna do everything they are doing, get rid of everyone now and start from scratch. Guys like Herremans….Cole…etc… The only reason not to go all out is, dead money I guess, but also wanting to remain just good enough in hopes that players keep buying into the strenuous program.

        • Adam G

          I find it hard to believe that they asked him to take less money after being named an all pro. I don’t know a team dumb enough to do that especially if his contract is in line, if not slightly below market. How did that go down, he went to them for more money and they said, “no no no, we are going to ask you to take less money”. Something doesn’t make sense. Especially because Chip said he didn’t know about it.

          • Token

            No, he wanted more and they said they would trade him just for asking basically.

            Myths McClane says hes the 14th highest paid guard. Dunno if thats right or not.

            But Mathis is maybe the best guard in football and IMO the best lineman on the team for the last 3 seasons.

          • anon

            o-line is old and old players are expensive. but years of bad drafting have us here.

          • Token

            We all knew the line needed rebuilt. But, why sign Peters then? I guess they want to spread it out a bit. But you now need LG and RG filled next year because Herremans sucks. I think losing a Mathis quality LG sure as hell doesnt help Peters either.

          • anon

            I dont understand what they did, especially now. Pay peters a ton, pay Kelce a ton trot them out like their trying to keep their team players — understandable why Mathis wants a new deal.

            I guess we gotta get used to new normal.

          • Adam G

            I see that report was refuted. Still crazy that there would even be a story that the Eagles would approach Mathis about a cut.

    • Joe from Easton

      I certainly don’t believe it means they have no interest in contending. They just know they’re probably this season and a good draft away from being legitimate contenders unless they catch fire which can’t really be predicted or prepared for. They have a good mix of young and developing players and veterans so it’s possible that they go on a run or it’s possible that they take another step this year and are in place for legitimate contention in 2015 (which I think is their overall plan). My patience is thin as an Eagles fan, but Champs aren’t built overnight.

      • Joe from Easton

        Overall, I don’t see them regressing. I just see them building the right way.

        • Token

          What is the right way exactly? Seems they have brainwashed many fans with that line of bull.

          You are gonna have to explain how this is a contending team within two years at this point in time. There are a LOT of holes, and they are making more. Even if you hit big on every draft pick, which wont happen, you still likely arent contending in two years time just through the draft.

          • Joe from Easton

            Through the draft with the players chip selects because it’s his team. I have trust in his vision. In two years, maybe I won’t or I’ll be proven right.

          • Token

            hes not L Ron Hubbard. Having blind faith in anything isnt a good idea. If anything, how the roster has been dealt with since Chip has got here should really give you pause.

          • Joe from Easton

            Maybe you’re right. I’m just blinded by optimistic hope I guess. Agree to disagree, sir.

        • RIP illa

          Yeah it’s regressing any way you look at it. Maybe the rebuild will be better, but it’s still regressing.

          • Joe from Easton

            A good QB can hide a lot of deficiencies and I think between Foles, our emerging and existing weapons, and Chip’s system we will remain competitive throughout the “rebuild”. Last year we were in year one of “rebuilding” and won the division. No reason to think Chip doesn’t know how to win on the fly.

          • Token

            Last year was a farce.

          • Joe from Easton

            Well then I know where you stand!

  • anon

    Jared Allen to the Bears — thank god not to seahawks.

  • Will

    Blowing up AR’s junk pile continues…

    • anon

      By getting rid of two pro bowlers? I hear what they are doing. No one wants to hear players getting traded, but they couldn’t move Jackson, price too high, so their trying to move mathis, low price, great player / personality. Problem is everyone knows draft is deep at those positions.

      Team wants picks, there’s one way to get them. Sometimes you gotta make tough decisions.

      • Will

        They are soooooooooooo Deeeesssssperrrrrate for picks…

  • Will

    Instead of heavy defense see Offensive Linemen in the draft along with WR’s….

  • Stuart Philp

    I’m all for trading Desean if the price is right due to his character issues and big contract. Having a FA consist of signing run of the mill guys to fill out our ST and add depth? Sure it has to be done. I’m even okay with signing Sanchez as an experienced backup even if he isn’t very good and letting him compete with Mark Barkley.

    But I am NOT okay with trading Evan Mathis. That better not happen…

    • anon

      Why not — pro bowler on a cheap deal — it makes the most sense that teams would want that contract. It’s business.

  • RIP illa

    Ok, I can understand wanting more picks in the draft. I can understand rebuilding. What I can’t understand, actually what I don’t believe in, Is whoring your top players around the league and looking desperate. What I don’t believe in is trying to trade these players, with no real viable options to replace them, in place. I don’t believe in starting year one of your rebuild and hanging on to players that every single person knew that they were not a good fit..cough…Graham…cough, hoping that they’d surprise you or to see what you have. As professional talent evaluators, it’s your F’n job to already have a F’n idea!!! Or hanging on to guys with one year left on their contract and who have a history of not surpassing expectations, let alone, living up to them. cough…Maclin…cough!

    You want more picks…Then don’t trade for a 31 year old OW when there’s 5 other guys in the draft that can replicate his skills! Seriously, if/when Djax is traded, we’re gonna have to spend a pick on another WR. Some of you might say we would have anyway, which may very well be true and I don’t disagree with. However, better to have that kid and Djax, than just that kid without Djax! If we trade Mathis, now we gotta spend a pick on another guard. If not, then who do we have behind him, Barbre??? I like what little I saw of him, but really…replace our most consistent and best OL for the past 3 years, with a guy 30 year old guy who has seen very little action!!!

    If we just wanna save money, then don’t F’n pay 4mil for a 3rd string TE/FB!!! Don’t over pay for Malcolm F’n Jenkins!!! We are overpaying a handful of guys right now, who production does not match their contracts. Some can’t be moved right away, maybe some can.

    It definitely seems to me that we are taking steps backwards, when most thought that we should or were ready to move forward. Maybe not by leaps and bounds, but forward nonetheless.

    Lastly for the DJax haters who preach in Chip we trust (not saying that they are one in the same all the time), Can we stop doing the whole BS thing about greedy Desean and accept that the FO tried and just doesn’t want him here???

    • Will

      All good points….but even bundled together Graham, Curry, and Trent Cole won’t net you a lot of picks….

    • Token

      The main question is should they be in full rebuild mode?

      Right now the division is down. That wont last for long. The NFC is open. Theres really two top teams in SF and SEA IMO.

      I think last years run had a lot of luck involved with how the schedule broke down and how we played teams without their best players. It seems they think the same thing. Because otherwise you dont go into full rebuild with a 10-6 team in the first year of a new coach. You may discard pieces but you are aggressive in improving. They are going the other way.

      They are going to basically be building a new foundation through the draft. A process that either teaks years, or ends with a coach getting fired. But, theres a plan, Lurie told me so. That guy, hes a freakin master of keeping the puppets in line.

      • RIP illa

        Yeah, well right now there plan sucks!!! I agree with what you said. Let’s be real…the offense didn’t need too much of ish done to it when (personnel wise) Chip came. We just needed to add on with depth and more of his type of guys that can grow into the system. The ST and D needed major improvements, which we didn’t get. But were at least getting the ST part now, hooray!

        Us fans were expecting a teardown and rebuild, year one. But we didn’t get it. So now we’re getting it in year two??? Whaaaat! Ok so fine, there doing it in this order, but couldn’t they be a little bit more precise and correct. Right now it seems as if they are trying to remove a tumor, but are cutting and removing everything except the actual tumor. And by tumor, I mean what I mentioned above about overpaid guys and underperforming guys. I would like it to be a little more judicious and methodical and appropriate. Yet, right now it just feels as if they’re throwing ish at the wall and hoping it sticks.

        • Token

          They really arent tearing the roster down like I thought.

          I expected roster turnover, because theres a TON of trash on the roster when he got here.

          But thats not happening. They are keeping the Nate Allens. The Casey Matthews. And are ADDING garbage players to that mess. With even more supposed ST aces. We saw how well the ST aces worked last year, so dont get your hopes up.

          Instead their version of roster churning is getting rid of the top of the roster it seems. Maybe he really does want a roster of just ST guys.

          • RIP illa

            Who are you telling…I F’n Hate F’n ST aces. And I’m hoping prop AHMR214 gets passed so that we can start doing away with all of them!!! I never liked his money ball or batting average BS. Yes maybe you’ll luck up on a few or couple diamonds in the rough, but the odds are not in your favor and no mathematical formula is going to change that. You are right, we could have gutted so much garbage. But we chose to ‘see what we have’. Just makes me wanna holla!

  • GEAGLE

    On a positive note, if we are really THIS committed to Building, then I interpret that as Chip planning on being here for a while, which would have sounded great before all this talk of trading away our probowlers

    • anon

      It’s obvious he’s not on any sort of timeline here. That’s what happens when you make the playoffs firs year out.

    • RIP illa

      This is way too similar to what OAK did. I say similar, not the same. I thought we were ahead of that point. It’s by no means a complete tear down, but it is still a tear down. Next year we’ll be losing even more players. For most of them, rightfully so.

      • GEAGLE

        Well…it does seem like our offense will have to take a step back, before they take a few forward, which I can’t agree with when we have a young QB

        But there isn’t much we can do, to NOT win the division this year….while the offense may initially regress, our defense will be much much better next year then people think

        • RIP illa

          That’s the gift and the curse right there. Not much we can do to NOT win the division. Although, I’m keeping my eye on the Giants. Those sneaky bastards have quietly solidified there secondary and D in general and are in a real good draft position. I however, don’t or can’t share your optimism about the D, until it’s proven. I do wanna believe tho.

          • GEAGLE

            Cant possibly think that when you throw a bunch of kids into a new scheme that require new techniques, and add six new free agent starters that last year would be the best it’s ever going to for our players….young kids will be stronger men, be one year more experienced which should mean they are craftier,..they will be better at diagnosing pre snap, looking at opponent tendencies…

            Most important, the continuity will allow guy like Kendrick to think less, and unleash that athletic ability..less uncertainty will lead to more of those explosive plays where he looks like an all pro who was shot out of a cannon that he flashed at times last year

            Last offseason I GUARENTEED our defense will be much better then the consensus thought of some historically bad defense again…if we stay healthy, I’d almost bet my life that the defense takes anther nice step forward this year

          • GEAGLE

            If we don’t draft a single defensive player, which isn’t even possible because we don’t even have enough bodies for the DL…the defense would still be better next year….if it’s not, then you are getting bad coaching, or some serious injury problems

            We saw a young in experienced from 7 answer the bell the last two months of the season and shut down 7 out of 8 run games( and it’s not like the Vikings ran the ball that well against us)…for us to play the run so well, so soon, getting little to know run support from safeties I think is extremely under appreciated by fans and media.
            …..
            We were simply too young, too new for it to have been the best it’s ever going to get for our players last year

          • Richard Colton

            Let’s hope Kruger is up to 3 smoothies per day

          • GEAGLE

            Hook is ass up to an I.V and pump smoothies into him 23 hours a day til June.
            ..
            Kelce said that we are in the bulk up phase of our offseason program…it would be really nice if one of our reporters would stop the gossipy woman witch hunt, and provide some real intel, like where Curry and Kruger are in their weight gain at this point, and what target weight did Hulls give them for this summer…Heck, go talk to friggin jake Knott, I’ll give you his address if it will help provide some actual news, instead of the continuos tabloid reporting

  • eagle fan dwn south

    I know chip and NE is close but it seem like this is where our team is headed. Just tell me if I’m wrong if this don’t sound like NE
    …..If you stay in the media to much your gone
    …..If we can’t keep you for cheap your gone
    …..Last but not least don’t worry about the defense we can just out score everyone

    • cliff henny

      fine, but let’s get our Brady first before bouncing all the real talent out of the city

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        You’re insulting Foles…

      • eagle fan dwn south

        I agree

    • GEAGLE

      I’m not sure we can say Bellicheat doesn’t care about defense

      • eagle fan dwn south

        He don’t put a emphasis on it with constantly having average talent over there because he can hang 40 on everyone. Revis wanted to be listen R Kaft remarks on Revis

        • Ark87

          Geags is right, Bellichick is actually a defensive coach. He has an odd taste in players, but he gets the guys he wants. Seems to prefer soldiers over warriors on defense. Very tight organization, get with the program or get another job.

          • anon

            So good on defense he can make it work with avg, talent.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup..BUT that’s the way it should be…you can have 11 warriors, but 11 soldier you can count on to do their job down to the minor detail, and play as one cohesive unit is always going to perform better, then a bunch of warriors he can’t command to do their role to a T, so all the pieces can fit like a puzzle…..cohesion on defense is EVERYTHING..I don’t care how much talent you have it means nothing if your talent won’t Sacrafice some individual glory, do a grunts job, so the man next to him can be successful.
            ….
            Im often asked why I believe in our defense so strongly….and it’s simple, the chemistry is there! The leadership is there!!! chemistry is everything on defense, and we built that chemistry a lot faster then it typically takes most units…and as that grows this year, and our young players become stronger, both physically and in the mental game(know your role, eye placement, reading the keeps, diagnosing opponents)..our defense will grow and take another nice step or two forward…
            …it’s just the natural progression of a young well coached team…even if they don’t add a single player, we have a serious problem if they don’t take a nice stride or two forward

          • GEAGLE

            Edit…reading the keys (not keeps, as my autorrect brilliantly typed)

        • GEAGLE

          No..i think he invest in offense because he is a brilliant defensive coach who can make a dollar out of 15 cents with lessor talent on defense

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I don’t think anyone understands the strengths of his defensive players better than Bellicheat. He makes his players do specific things each week, and if they don’t possess a certain skillset, they might not even play a given week.

    • RIP illa

      Dude, Lurie has been trying to have his own “Patriot Way” for awhile now. It’s not just a Chip thing. The thing is that you can’t duplicate or replicate without winning some ringssssss! And yeah, Belicheck does care a whole lot about D. That’s how he made his bones.

  • GEAGLE

    For all you Dee ford lovers, he will be the guest on tonight’s Path to the DRaft on NFL network….like hearing him talk..kid has swag, reminds me of a young Karl malone

    • RIP illa

      I wish we still played a 4-3 just so we would want A-A-ron Dona;d. That kid is a freak and a beast, all in one.

      • GEAGLE

        If he falls, which I wouldn’t rule out, I bet we still draft him

        • RIP illa

          We better. I don’t care where he lines up, although I prefer ROLB :-)

          • GEAGLE

            Whats funny is the mock drafts…they all emphasis need, but half the teams in the league are a pretty strict BPA(needs will always break a tie breaker between two similarly graded prospects)…looks like we will really be a BPA team, try and hit on all our picks so in two years, the positions just even themselves out and everything falls Into place….if our BPA is real, hard to envision Donald NOT being the BPA if he falls to 22

          • RIP illa

            We better stick to BPA and hit now with how we seem to be cutting through our roster with a jigsaw instead of a scalpel

      • Richard Colton

        A-Aron gets me every time.

        • RIP illa

          Key and Peele man, that skit was the greatest.

          • Richard Colton

            I work in one of the wealthiest suburban districts in NJ. It’s basically that school. I have a kid I call A-A-ron. Thankfully he got the reference.

          • RIP illa

            That’s too perfect.

        • RIP illa

          and just for extra laughs

          • Richard Colton

            know who we need as our NT? Fudge.

          • RIP illa

            Who you tellin! LOL

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      that’s my guy Geag at #22…the diddy loves him too as a natural edge rusher. draft cant get here soon enough.

      • GEAGLE

        We need interior Nickle pass rushers, we didn’t sign Alex Carrington! I would rule out us drafting him at all! even if he doesn’t look like an ideal two gapper….if he falls, he could easily the BPA on the board, in which case, I would assume we draft him

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          im expecting a lot of reaches. which means some guys coming down our way to 22. there will be some talent there

        • JofreyRice

          you think? Fletcher Cox and Vinny Curry are right there. Either one of those guys is a much better interior rusher than Carrington. For Cox, I think it’s just a matter of being worn out from two gapping on run downs. I guess they could always use depth, but I’d love to see them improve that edge rush more than add a nickel DT backup.

  • pjcostello

    Florio’s a no-talent a$$clown, so if he thinks Jackson’s leaving, then Jackson’s staying.

  • cliff henny

    Chip, this better be one hell of a system. guess figure Barbre can step in not miss a beat, tougher to buy than jax (least Mac and Sproles have proven NFL production). hope this is media over-digging in Eagles off-season business after wake of Jax trade mess

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Clarification: Source says Eagles haven’t asked Mathis to take paycut, that agent approached Eagles about more $, they brought up trade.

  • Token

    “Chip very insistent on his “big people” philosophy at CB. Insists Boykin is best suited at slot, says very happy w/his outside CBs + length.”

    Ugh. Cant believe we are gonna lose Boykin because of this bull big people philosophy. As far as covering another human being, the skill gap between Boykin and Cary freakin Williams is quite large.

    Hope this sums it up for those that believe hes gonna ever get a chance outside.

    • anon

      they’ve said that since the beginning, they should have tried to trade boykin, b/c he’s def gone if he cares about feeding his family.

      • Token

        Theres people that believe he will stay just because its the Eagles. No. If the kid keeps showing high ability he will start somewhere for starters money. Just how it works. You dont stay int he slot your entire career if you dont have to.

        He just seems to me like one of those natural cover guys. Just has that skill. Damn shame.

        Nolan Carrol is 5-11. So, do those extra two inches really make a damn difference? No, not really.

        • Richard Colton

          Shame Boykin isn’t a Hester-like kick returner. Then you could justify paying him starting CB money to play the slot. Can’t see how we keep him without moving him outside.

          • Token

            Nobody outside Geagle believes they are gonna pay him starter money to play the slot 50% of snaps. Plenty of teams will pay him starters money to start. Which is what Boykin has clearly stated he wants.

            Hes just gonna be gone. One of the few players they find in the draft and they dont wanna play him because hes not 6’3. Ugh, life of a Eagles fan.

          • DharmaBum

            That’s the problem with the slot corner position in the first place: anyone who’s great playing the slot will naturally think they’d be great at the outside, and should be playing there (and getting paid). So, every few years, you have to replace your slot guy, because every time you find a good one, he’s going to be counting the days before he’s free to find a job starting outside. It won’t change until, one day, a team pays a slot guy like a starter. That will change the dynamic. Who’s to say the Eagles won’t be that team? Someone has to be…and someone will. I’d just as soon it be the Eagles. If you can explain another way out of having to find a new slot guy every 2-3 years, I’m all for it, but I don’t think there is one. Every other position, you find a great player, you lock him up. At the slot, you wave goodbye? That isn’t sustainable.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Yeah, if he’s not traded next offseason, he’s gone before the ’16 season.

        • RIP illa

          They (FO) probably won’t get any smarter and actually try and trade him before his contract is up. Just like the same BS they pulled on us with Maclin.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t buy his sewer water flavored Kool aid! Boyking isn’t going anywhere, the outside talk is a joke in today’s NFL…how often do teams only line up two WRs? Boyking was a youngbuck last year, he will get much more put on his plate this year…..also Billy’s defense last year was as plain and basic as it will ever be…we were just laying a foundation….all we really did would jump between 3 and 4 man fronts, play base or a 4-2-5 Nickle…
            .,
            First year of a new defense will be basic, but Billy had no FLEXABILITY..he had no depth, we basically only rotated the DL….we had no subpackage specialist…basically, Billy would have to scheme ways to patch holes..
            ..
            Having 3 safeties we can put on the field, adding Nolan to the bench, adding LBs who can cover and and replace Meco in certain packages. It’s going to give Billy more subpackage options, so we probably won’t be in base defense as much as we were last year

          • GEAGLE

            As for the finances to keeping Boykin, it’s not rocket science. cary will get extended thru 15, and then replaced with a rookie salary, Bradley Fletcher makes chump change and then will be replaced by a rookie salary, and Boykin will be compensated well to stay…

          • Token

            Cary is already under contract for 2015. At around 9 mil. hes gone. Fletch is a FA after this season.

          • Adam G

            Actually think cary might be a goner after this year.

          • Token

            Yep, he without question is. Due a ton in 2015. And hes terrible.
            Almost any other team in the NFL would have Boykin starting outside in 2015 at the latest given out circumstances. Most would have him starting this year. But not the Chip Kelly Eagles.

            Big people! Wooooo!

          • Adam G

            I wonder how much of the excuse is real that he’s so good in the slot they don’t want to move him outside and crowd his plate. Seems fishy to me.

          • RIP illa

            It’s very real. We don’t have anyone else on the roster to play slot at all! No one.

          • Adam G

            Oh I agree. But their answer to why he can’t play outside is that he can’t just move to the slot when there are 3 wrs because his plate would be too full. That’s not a good enough answer for me.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah Token makes that argument, but who’s going to the bench then? Cary and Brad put up a nearly identical amount of production. And Boykin never showed, last season, that he gives you anything more than what they do on the outside. I tend to believe in having set specialists. And nickel CB falls into that category. So I agree with not moving him, unless in case of injury. As time goes on and if it becomes more of an issue with or for him, then the situation can be reassessed.

            Edit: in case of injury, meaning it’s a must cuz 2 corners are down.

          • Token

            Its just a load of bull really.

            How it works is if a young kid excels in the slot, he gets to move up the ranks. Nobody just halts their career and stays in the slot if they clearly are capable of more.

            Its simply a size thing. Chip values size over talent. Thats a dangerous thing to get hung up on. Theres not a whole lot of real big guys who are real big talents.

          • GEAGLE

            2016 he won’t be on the team

          • Token

            Idiotic.

            The guy said over and over and over he wants to start. Not play 50% of the time. The team cant make it more clear that they dont want him starting.

            And no matter what weak excuse you want to make, Nickel isnt starting. Its just not reality. A team will pay him to start if he keeps proving hes a quality corner. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out…….

  • cliff henny

    what’s a wrong side of 30 pro-bowl Guard worth? 3rd, tops?

    • RIP illa

      Ha…optimism.

      EDIT: Meant to put a smiley face, cuz I’m not trying to be a dick to you.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        What about wrong side of 30 all-pro, rated-best-OL-in-league, guard?

        • anon

          not much in a draft that’s oline heavy. that’s the problem really. we’re trying to trade guys that prior to a stacked draft, it’s just not going to work.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I know, I was more being sarcastic. I don’t see anything wrong with the best rated guard in the league asking for a new deal. He earned it. To me, THIS is what sends an awful message to the players. Not the D-Jax situation.

          • anon

            We spend the second most on offense in the league and we aren’t paying a QB, they’ve got to get rid of guys. No one on offense is getting a raise — can’t happen.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I agree with you. So which route would you rather go? Keep D-Jax or guarantee Mathis’ salary, maybe try to throw in a couple incentives?

          • anon

            well problem is we also have no depth. i really don’t know what you do. I’d keep Djax but wouldnt have given cooper and maclin deals, just would have drafted guys then to take sproles at 3.25m + a pick looks suspicious.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I can’t all-out disagree with you. I’m in just about in full-blown “move on from DJax” mode, but I can’t argue you too much in keeping him. I think his production can be mostly replaced by committee this year, but, then there’s “if it ain’t broke…”. I can make salary cap arguments for it all day, though. With Mathis, we can’t really quantify the dropoff because we don’t have known quantities at backup OL. Which, to me, is far scarier than having Maclin + Sproles filling most of the production from DJax, plus an improved Ertz, and whatever else we get from Cooper getting a full 16 with Foles.

          • Richard Colton

            I see three day one starting guards in this draft: Martin, Su’a Filo, Yankey. All will probably be gone by #54. The big kid from Baylor doesn’t look like a fit for the Eagles. Plus, he’s from Baylor. Not liking this at all.

          • RIP illa

            Well there is hope. Although the Baylor kid sucks. There have been a bunch of names thrown around in the 5th for guard. My fav, and I have never ever had a must draft OL before, is Schofield from Michigan. Kid is a beast, tough as nails, hard worker, and any other cliché that you wanna throw in. Plus he played tackle before, but lacks the kinda athleticism needed for the pros. But he can definitely slide over there in a pinch.

        • RIP illa

          You forgot that he also wants more money, apparently, and this years draft. 5th and start working your way down? 4th, just cuz I wanna be optimistic. Hope I’m wrong and Cliff is right.

          • cliff henny

            only G I can think of in similar position was steve Hutchinson, and have to research that trade. guards just don’t have a lot of leverage to force a trade. teams see them as very replaceable.

          • Adam G

            He was a FA. That was the first poison pill contract.

          • cliff henny

            yup, but can you think of any else? I really cant.

          • Adam G

            I don’t think there is any precedent at all. 33 is pretty old for a offensive lineman. Larry Allen was released when he was 34 and he was one of the best ever. Mathis is a different story. Has limited miles and is in AWESOME shape. Just don’t see anybody giving up anything for him. He has no choice but to play out his contract which is at most a mil/year away from market.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, was just about to post that. looking at overthecap.com guard salaries, he jumps a lot with just extra million.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Jahri and Carl Nicks are in the 8mil range, aren’t they? Think Mathis’s best year, which he likely won’t see, is the 6mil in 2016.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, but they got those contracts at a much younger age then Mathis and I think Jahri was already asked to take a pay cut. Market these days would not support those contracts. GMs have gotten a bit smarter with allocation of salary.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            That’s true. I’m trying to look at it within the confines of his current deal, see if there’s a restructure to be had. Probably because I’d like to be set at skill positions after this draft and worry about OL next draft. Want to keep our All Pro happy for at least another year.

          • Adam G

            I completely agree, its just that some players don’t really have a grasp of what their worth actually is. Geoff Schwartz was ranked 2nd highest to Mathis by PFF this year, was a FA, 4 years younger and got 4/17.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Didn’t see that. Don’t really have a pulse on the current G market, but it makes sense that GMs seem to have a better handle on things. What’s a little confusing is Jahri’s deal was signed in 2010, and it was huge (I get he was far younger), but with the salary cap being significantly higher now than it was then, there seems to have been a significant devaluation in this year’s market for most positions.

          • Adam G

            I think GMs are figuring out the value of each position a little more. RBs, Gs, vs CBs and Elite defensive rushers. There def has been a shift in mentality with most GMs.

          • RIP illa

            True.

      • cliff henny

        maybe am, I have no idea.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Is there a possibility we’re trying to get in on the Winston/Mariota sweepstakes for next season?

    • cliff henny

      Mathis is good, really good, but still a guard. see it all the time, no name comes in and team doesnt miss a beat. Tackle is different story. that Scott guy came off the streets, 4th string, he played fine. Waters for Dallas, 1 week practice came in played well. it’s a difficult truth about position. though, rather him stay and play. if Eagles feel position is that easily replace, the starting point is Herremanns, he did not have a good season for 5m

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        “Evan, would you feel better if we asked Todd to take a paycut? We know you clearly out played him, but we can’t afford to pay you what you truly deserve for being the best OL in football. Would that ease your concerns, knowing your paid significantly more than Todd?”

        • cliff henny

          both make 5m, little ridiculous. can see how Evan would want to be paid more. JP just got a nice fat check too. also doubt teams are going to line up to significantly pay Mathis more than 5m per over next 3 yrs. might be Eagles calling his bluff.

          • Adam G

            Just like they did with Jackson. Seems to be a pattern here.

          • cliff henny

            not only do eagles need to see fair compensation, but trading team has to be willing to give him more than 15m over 3 yrs. have to look, but what is he really going to gain financially in trade? over 30, he wont get top guard 25 yr old pay.

          • GEAGLE

            And he could be a hall of Famer, but at his age playing guard there is simply no value to be had in any trade

          • Adam G

            I would guess there’s almost no market for a guy turning 33 during the season that plays guard.

          • cliff henny

            who wants top 5 pay-I guessing. not like he’s making 1m and wanting paid, 5m, yeah technically underpaid, but he’s playing wrong position to push too hard.

          • RIP illa

            Except Desean didn’t approach the team about a new contract…according to Chip.

          • Adam G

            Who knows what his agent did, but he did mention it himself to the media, which I’m guessing the Eagles heard. Either way, he voiced his desire for a different contract. Just saying there is a pattern.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Maybe. He’s also been out of guarantees.

          • cliff henny

            play like an all-pro, that’ll be pretty close to guaranteeing contract. guess could see rework.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            That’s about the only thing they can do. His deal is through 2016. Bet he just wants enough guarantees for this and next year, knowing he’s probably not seeing 2016. Just a guess.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    “Navarro Bowman Rule” was adopted.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Love the NFC North (almost called them Central) swapping their aging passrushers.

  • Corey Dawson
  • Nfl All Day

    Bad news. … The ” Smartest Guys in the room” are back. Now they feel one mediocre with an injured throwing shoulder is not enough. We need to add Sanchez so Barkley has someone to mentor him on how to be a washed up USC QB in the pros.

    The FO really needs to start worrying about the perception they are spreading amongst the players that if you wanna get paid, you need to find a new home. With all the young guys coming up for contacts in the next couple years, they’re gonna leave s bad taste in a lot of Peoples mouths the way they’ve conducted business this off season

    • Brazilnut

      Nothing in this post makes any sense. Sanchez is a bargain bin flier thats still young, never had good weapons/coaching and playoff starting experience. Theres no downside whatsoever to signing a player like him on the cheap. As for the message the FO is sending, its clearly “If you wanna get paid, play like it, but you’re not going to get overpaid by whining about your contract” which is a perfectly fine message to be sending.

      • Nfl All Day

        The hazards of typing when your boss is around the corner…….

        Look, in Mark Sanchez, we have a guy with a very large sample size. He showed plenty in his time in New York for us to know what type of QB he is. Sure, he didnt always have much to work with offensively, but there was never a sense that he was mastering the nuances. I think he’s a guy who could have been as good as say, Andy Dalton. But in the end is more similar to Jason Cambell. The problem I have with this move is the dude has a throwing shoulder that is reported to be no better than 80% recovered from surgery last season. This in addition to Barkley who’s now 2 yrs removed from shoulder surgery. The “Smartest Guys in the room” is becoming a more fitting anology for these guys on a daily basis. When you consistantly pass over top talent in the game for mediocre players and reclamation projects, it begs the question…..”How do you expect to build a Top Notch Football Team with 2nd and 3rd rate talent?

        Belichick is signing studs at corner,Browners issues aside, dude’s been a top 10 CB in this league for the past few yrs. Revis speaks for himself. The Broncos realized that despite having Peyton, they needed to actually stop the other team once in a while, so they went out and added 3 Pro Bowlers on defense. Identify your weakness and address it.

        If the Eagles/Chip really wanted a reclamation project with some upside, Josh Freeman was the obvious choice. Here’s a kid who in 2012 threw for 4k yards and nearly 30 tds, with the size, arm talent, and mobility to be effective, if not downright dangerous. If he’s not your cup of tea than wait for the draft and grab Logan Thomas or Brett Smith. But for the love of god, give me someone healthy with legitimate upside. Stop trying to show me how smart you are by squeezing blood from stones.

  • Rob Fink

    Florin is an idiot

  • cracky

    I heard he was caught packing Rex’s fudge.

  • reb

    Can we get an All-22 or some other in-depth look at Sanchez here? I am horrified that his name is even associated with the possibility of maybe even potentially getting a tentative offer. Why is it even considered a serious thought? Maybe some analysis would help?

  • Matt

    I pay attention to a couple blogs, but this is the only one where I find myself actually finishing the articles. The writing is superb, the knowledge vast, and overall the quality of blogging is just better than anything else out there. Tim and Sheil, you spoil us