On Reid, Packaged Plays And the 10-Second Rule

NFL: Annual Meetings

ORLANDO, Fla. – AFC coaches met with the media at breakfast Tuesday morning. We caught up with Andy Reid and others during the hour-long session. Below are some highlights.

THE 2011 EFFECT




We've written plenty in this space about the effect the 2011 offseason had on the Eagles. Howie Roseman and others often bring up the mistakes made with Nnamdi Asomugha, Ronnie Brown, Vince Young and so on.

But that effect is apparently not limited to the Eagles. Reid was asked about the role of free agency in building a roster.

"I’m not a huge free agency guy," Reid said. "I don’t think you build a team that way. I think you obviously build it through the draft. There’s so many elements that go into a player actually fitting into your program and being successful that you get them right where they’re kind of peaking in that system and then you disrupt that and move 'em on to another system, that can be tough.

"So the percentages drop, success rates drop, I think you spot a guy here or there, but too much of it... you have the other element where it has a chance to disrupt your locker room. This guy’s been with me for 10 years and is making X number of [dollars]. All of a sudden you bring in a free agent who might be as good, but maybe not as good and then you’re paying him way up here. All of a sudden you have this rift that goes on in the locker room. I think you have to be real careful on who you bring in and how you do it."

When a reporter brought up the 2011 offseason specifically, Reid responded: "Lessons learned, right?"

MARRONE ON PACKAGED PLAYS

During the season, we wrote plenty about the Eagles' use of packaged plays. The Bills are another team that uses them. We asked head coach Doug Marrone about the effectiveness of plays that employ a run-pass option.

"I think defenses for a long period of time, you’re always getting the extra guy in the box, or the extra guy’s always involved," he said. "I think a lot of times, what you do when you’re on the perimeter and you’re running those types of plays on the outside, that’s a potential option to do. It just forces the defense to cover more of the field. I think when you can get a defense to cover more of the field, you have a better chance of executing.

"No different than... the same philosophy of play-action pass. I run play-action pass so I get the whole defense to come up tight, I can try to get the ball behind them. Play-action I want to get them all up in there close and try to throw the ball vertically down the field. In the other field, when we’re running those types of things, I want them to defend the whole area of the field."

Marrone also referenced the packaged play concept as it pertains to defense. You give the middle linebacker (or another player) multiple options. Based on the look of the offense, he can choose the call that makes the most sense. Billy Davis did this with DeMeco Ryans last year. That's part of the reason the coaching staff always talked about Ryans being an extension of the defensive coordinator on the field.

"Some of these quarterbacks have a little bit more freedom… Some people give ‘em two options. It could be run or run. It could be run to pass, pass to run. Some of ‘em have three options," Marrone said. "So I think those packages are built in trying to create a situation where you’re never in a bad play. I think eventually you’ll see defenses do it. They’ll pressure certain formations. So they’ll call the defense and all of a sudden you’ll line up in a formation and they’ll make another play and go to that. Everyone’s trying to stay one step ahead. But it all goes back to what the players can handle."

THE 10-SECOND RULE

We've written in this space about the proposed 10-second rule in college. The measure was suggested to penalize offenses that snapped the ball within the first 10 second of the play clock.

Proponents argued that up-tempo offenses ran more plays and thus were susceptible to more injuries.

We already know how Chip Kelly would feel about the measure. But he'd have a couple other coaches in his corner in Marrone and Bill O'Brien, should the NFL ever consider such a rule change.

"I think it’s been around the whole time," Marrone said. "I mean, two-minute offense has been around forever and if people want to run a higher tempo early on, it’s been done before. It’s just being done I think more often now. I do not see the correlation with injuries at all."

Added O'Brien: "No, I think that to me offenses have to be able to change tempo, go fast, slow it down. That’s what the game’s all about. That’s the play clock. We start messing with the play clock and the rules of the game, that’s a very slippery slope. I don’t see where that has a direct correlation to injuries. And I have great respect for the guys that are talking about that that are on the other side of the argument on that, but as it relates to college football, I would hope that they don’t mess with that."

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  • Eagles1018

    Who’s Andy Reid? Maybe we should ask Chip Kelly if he knows.

    I kid I kid……….

  • Johnny Domino

    Now I know what happened to my Grandma’s drapes.

  • oreofestar

    Hey general Q what are you guys’ thought on Terrance Mitchell

    • GEAGLE

      Similar to Poyer

      • oreofestar

        hmmmm, I was just thinking if it would be a guy we considered late in the draft since I do not think we draft a corner early

    • Richard Colton

      5th round. rangy. nobody knows him better than Chip. We need to get younger and more dynamic in the backfield. I’d be surprised (not shocked, not angry) if they went CB in round 1 or 2. Mitchell is a potential day 3 guy.

      • oreofestar

        Yeah I was thinking about him in round 5

    • RIP illa

      Hope not!

      EDIT: I have written why I don’t want us to touch this kid so much. So I’ll give a ill input piggy backing of both JP and Geagle. He’s slow, small, and despite this year wa, was never the playmaker that Poyer was and I don’t think he has 1/2 the skills that Poyer does. And I fell out of love with Poyer way before the draft!

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Needs to play off because he doesn’t have the speed for man, or strength for press, but showed a knack for TOs last yr. I agree with Colt, probably 5th rd.

  • GEAGLE

    Moncrief in round 1(trade back with the Niners) get a 3rd from them
    Marcus in round 2…
    Give up our 3rd to the Jets, move all the way back to the 4th pick in round 4 that Jets get from Tampa, and scoop up the jets second 4th and a comp 6, so we have 3 picks in round 4.
    ..
    Draft Taylor hart with the Niners 3rd

    • oreofestar

      I am sorry I know you like him but I just can not accept Moncrief round 1

      • GEAGLE

        Now you can’t….by the time the draft rolls around he will be getting mocked in between 20-40
        ….
        WTF do you want with Marquis Lee? We already have him, his name is maclin

        • oreofestar

          ODB, Cooks, Benjamin, Lee, Evans, Watkins at least 2 are there when you pick at 22 all of them are better than Moncrief and I will also go put my boys Matthews and Adams above him

          • oreofestar

            I like Moncrief alot in rounds 2 or 3 but 1st round seems like reaching

          • GEAGLE

            Just because a few “analysts” tell you he is a reach now, don’t make it true…two months ago Calvin Pryor was a 3rd round pick. He had a crappy combine, and hasn’t played a game since and now he is a first rounder…lot of time til the draft, and by the time it comes around, you will have no shot in hell at Moncreif outside the top 50

          • oreofestar

            I am not talking just about rankings I think Jordan Matthews will surprise people I love this kid but that does not mean I am picking him round 1, I have looked at these guys myself and dont care what some random analysts says

          • GEAGLE

            Jordan mathews is def a top 50 player…and in this draft..there is no difference between the 42nd pick and the 22nd…there are like 17 elite guys, then a bunch of really quality guys

          • oreofestar

            I just think a guy like Moncrief I would take round 2,will he make it there who knows the draft is not predictable some people think this guy is a round 3 guy and while I think he is higher i SO NOT THINK he is 50 spots higher

          • GEAGLE

            Sure, of course I would rather get him in round two…if rather get anyone in round two instead of round 1…but if the kid isn’t going to last til we pick in round two, and there is no difference in the prospects you get at 22 and 42, I’d much rather secure him in round 1
            ..
            I’m down to play the draft board and get guys where it’s good value, but first and foremost you need to believe in the player, and I don’t mind OVER drafting an SEC kid, with great measurable as long as he pans out…and if the worst thing people can find in his game is he caught passes with his body, then I like our chances

            We crush the cowboys for reaching for that center, but if he develops into an Alex Mack type in 3 years then the joke is on every one else…you love a player, then go get him instead of praying 31 teams pass him by

          • JofreyRice

            totally agree with you in regards to Travis Frederick. It was my thinking when I said we should draft Vaccaro with pick #4. Sure, it’s unconventional, but when you really need a player, he fits for something important you want to do schematically, and you believe that player has pro-bowl/all pro potential, who really gives a shit what anyone else thinks?

            You have to have to cojones to make the move, and you have to have faith the scouting department hasn’t missed anything that could hinder the pick’s development. So if Chip sees Moncrief as a valuable piece going forward, and thinks he has potential to be a star, it really shouldn’t matter if anyone else–other teams, us, whomever–don’t have him rated as highly. Now, the other side to that coin is that you better be right when you make a move like that.

          • GEAGLE

            And you absolutely proved right!! He damn sure seems worthy of the 4th pick in the draft to me now..
            ..
            Ross tUcker made a good point, about money that also related to draft…he talks about Oakland fans bitching about how much they paid for the OL in fRee agency, saying they over paid…well if the guy can play, no one will care how much they paid for him.If he can’t play, and they paid him two mil less, fans are still going to crush them for it….If we take Moncreif at 22, 53 or whenever the hell we pick in round 3, if the kid ain’t a quality NFL player. Then he is a horrible pick..does it matter if he is a first round bust or a second round bust at the end of the day? Screw what anyone thinks, go get the players you believe in most!

          • Joe L

            Moncrief has the measurables of a 1st round WR, that’s for sure. He just never put it all together in college. He had the skills to be dominant, instead he just showed flashes. Can some of that be attributed to QB play? Sure, but his route running is meh and his overall consistency needs to improve. I think he’s a top 50 player, just wouldn’t take him at 22.

          • GEAGLE

            Last year. I’d prob agree with you…this year I see little difference between 25 and 45

          • JofreyRice

            I like Moncrief a helluva lot, but gee…1st round? I don’t know. There were times when he looked almost like an Andre Johnson type player, and there were games where he was nonexistent. I’d like to have seen more consistency from a first round player. Now late 2nd, or 3rd, I’d be OK with. I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see him go in the first, though, because of the way teams love “upside”. I could see someone being convinced they can coax out more “flash” moments from his best games.

            I still like Dee Ford. I know he doesn’t fit the dimensions Kelly wants, but I think he can be a nasty passrusher. Not giving up hope for a dynamic passrusher that can see meaningful third down snaps in his first year.

          • GEAGLE

            If he is going to go top 10 in round 2, does it really matter if you trade back and take him at 30?…I’m not ready to say he will 100% be worth the 22nd pick…but if I can trade back to 30 and scoop another 3rd, I would draft him without even looking to see who is left on the board..
            ..

          • GEAGLE

            Which WR would you want the eagles to draft ahead of him?
            ..
            Id prob say
            Watkins
            Evans
            ODB
            ..
            And I can’t name another WR that I can really say I would rather have..I don’t believe in safe picks when you have quality coaches..if his mental makeup and Charecter checks out, swing for the fences and let the coaches do their job.

            Heck I prob like the other round two WRs like Mathews and Devante more then I like Marquis Lee or KB toy stores…and I only consider Brandin if Desean is gone
            ..
            Kelly turned our career #4 WR into a beast in one offseason….I damn sure want to see what he can do with this beastly explosive athlete

          • GEAGLE

            And I’m hell bent on Marcus in round 2, so I can’t just hope we trade up from 53…I want Donte and Marcus! I believe in those players with our coaches, and I Genuinly don’t even care where we draft them, as long as we secure them

          • oreofestar

            I really like Marcus i WOULD LOVE HIM Van Noy, or Attaochu in round 2 but Donte is a guy I think you are higher on than anyone else

          • GEAGLE

            NO…I’m higher then him then fans…not NFL personel people and scouts..BELIEVE THAT…do some digging you will he terms like a hidden Gem, most under rated player in the SEC

          • oreofestar

            I am not sure how many teams would pick this guy round 1 but hey we can’t agree on everything

          • JofreyRice

            Watkins, Evans, ODB for sure. I keep having this sneaking suspicion that Marquise Lee is going to be a better pro than people are thinking. Guy was an absolute monster in 2012, arguably the best WR in CFB, and played through being banged up a lot this season. There are things he doesn’t do well, but he was ultra-productive. Agree there are some aspects of his game very similar to Maclin.

            I’m not a fan of Benjamin. He’s another guy that has a chance to be drafted higher because of upside and potential. Scares me when a WR has consistently shown shaky hands.

            I also like Allen Robinson more than most. I’d be more inclined to kind of lump Donte Moncrief in with Robinson and Matthews on that next tier. I think Watkins & ODB are transcendent talents that will succeed to some degree wherever you send them; obviously some situations will be better than others. The other guys come down to scheme fit, and what kind of offense they’ll play in. Does it play to their strengths or weaknesses? So I’d say for our O, outside of Watkins & ODB, I’d go Evans, Robinson, Moncrief, and Matthews. Like you said, Evans probably won’t be there at 22. I think there’s a big dropoff, though. I don’t think I’d want to take any of those 3 at 22. Would rather get whichever one fell to me later.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s fair…..I forgot A Rob…dude is about as money going up for jump balls as it gets
            ..
            I know Lee is very possible for us, I just have preferences,.but like I said, dude can play inside and out right away, so I can def see Chip liking him in his offense where he wants guys that can line up all over the place! and he had some monster performances against Oregon…I haven’t seen his 2012 film since 2012, I’m sure if I gave myself a refresher course, I’d be a lot more excited about Lee….but if I am looking at two WRs who are ranked in the same area, I’d probably always prefer, the Bigger, Physical, explosive one, especially with our run based offense.. The only smaller WR I just think is too fabulous to pass on is ODB…If we rank Lee much higher then the rest, I will watch some 2012 tape and get over it…but if he is graded closely to a big Physical one like A Rob or Donte, then I’d prefer the big boy……which means I probably should like KB. But like you said, he scares me…

          • oreofestar

            Yeah it depends I like Lee but if they have him lower than so be it, I want ODB mostly Cooks, Benjamin not as much but I would not be mad I like Lee over those 2

          • GEAGLE

            Can’t say I’m ready to take them at 22, but if we traded back to 30 and got the Niners to give up a pick, I would be fine with any of them at 30

          • GEAGLE

            Like Dee as a pass rusher, I just worry about his ability to play the run and set the edge after next season, I’m thinking it takes him til year 3 to become a 3 down OLB and I want Coles money off our books next year…that’s my hesitation with Dee..but the explosion off the edge is there, he has all the bend he needs, times snaps as well as Curry….I just think Marcus will be a 3 down OLB faster then it takes Ford to develop into one…but I wouldn’t hate the Ford pick

          • oreofestar

            Forget Ford all aboard the Ealy train, choo choo

          • GEAGLE

            Evans and Watkins is a pipe dream not even worth typing, and ODB is probably the only one who has a better career then Moncrief…Yous need to get it out of your heads that ranking or draft order will equate to the better NFL player. Moncrief is going to BEASTMODE the NFL if he goes to a good team…we shall see…and I bet you anything Moncrief don’t last past #40

          • oreofestar

            I know Evans and Watkins are not happening but I just thought I would type everyone I liked over Moncrief also I do not think Moncrief will be the best and I doubt the Eagles are as high as you are on him

          • GEAGLE

            We shall see…KB shouldn’t even be in the same dicussion with the monster from OL Miss..
            KB should be talked about with Martevis and B.Coleman

          • oreofestar

            When it is all said and done I think Evans, ODB, and Matthews will be the best of the class, Watkins will be fine, Cooks will get overdrafted, Benjamin would do good in the right system but I think he will be a bust and Lee in the right offense could be better than all of them

          • GEAGLE

            Lee is well rounded Barwin type. Good at everything, great at nothing. He is safer to be a decent player, but I don’t see the upside I see in some other guys.l.drafting Lee would piss me off. He is a Maclin clone, I’m trying to get a Josh Gordon,Damryious type..Big, explosive,Physical…basically a much more talent Cooper…

          • oreofestar

            I disagree on Lee and I think Chip could get the best out of Lee and he gave us a glimpse of that with his dominant sophmore year, He had injuries, coaching changes his first new QB and it just messed him up but in Kelly’s system with all that talent for a guy that would have been a top 5 pick last year I think he has potential to explode

          • GEAGLE

            How do you disagree that Lee is any different than Maclin?
            ..
            Then only thing he has going for him is he torched Oregon when he was younger, and he can come into the league and play outside and in the slot. Which is exactly who Maclin was…people forget but questions about him heading into the draft were if he could play on the outside or strictly in the slot..Mac went on to prove he could play outside right away, Lee is the same guy

          • oreofestar

            I agree Lee is a similar player but I think he has way more upside

          • GEAGLE

            Then you aren’t correctly remembering what a prospect Maclin was. Dude was a serious NFL prospect

          • oreofestar

            I remember Mac, he could have been a top 10 pick up there with Crab but I think Lee’s ceiling is higher, I really think in Chip’s system he would flourish granted I really want ODB more than any wr( besides Evans but unless we trade up that won’t happen)

          • GEAGLE

            Not neccessarily, I still think we have a shot at ODB, but it’s no longer a sure thing of him being on the board….think it probably will come down to the corners and safeties…Gilbert is going top 12, if we see teams like Pitt and the Rams start drafting Dennard and haha, Pryor to cowboys…then ODB could last til we pick..but I could also see teams like Pitt wanting him at 15

          • oreofestar

            I think ODB is there and if he is I want him ODB and Ealy are the guys I want a lot right now

          • Joe L

            I don’t see Ealy fitting well in a 3-4 scheme. I think he’s a left end in a 4-3.

          • anon

            Landry in the mid-late rounds.

          • oreofestar

            DAMN he is sliding down people were talking about him in the top of the second before the combine to be honest I would take him in round 3 if he is around

          • GEAGLE

            Plays like Hines Ward kinda..physical, tough…I’d prefer him in the 4th, but I do like him so I don’t really care where we draft them….I care about playing the draft board when you are drafting at the top of every round. You have little control drafting at 22 in every round

          • oreofestar

            I would love Landry as high as 3 and to be honest I just want more picks if we can get more without moving Desean that’d be great but if we move him I want some great high picks because I do not like going ito the draft with so few selections

          • geaglefan

            aren’t you a little afraid of his hands?

          • Kev_H

            I like Cooks. I’m not sure if he is what the Eagles are looking for, but from what I’ve seen, he has good hands, seems to run good routes, can adjust on the fly and is a good open field runner/kind of gets lost running around on screens.

      • Honest_T

        Martavis Bryant, gentlemen. Martavis Bryant!

        • oreofestar

          I do not like him that much, no earlier than 3rd

        • Javi Echie

          Nice talent but could never put it together. You would think playing along side Watkins that he would of put up wayyy better numbers but it just wasn’t there. I would agree with oreo I wouldn’t take him any earlier then the 3rd

  • oreofestar

    I can imagine it now DJAX stays and we collect a 4th from the Jets for tampering lol that would be rich

    • borntosuffer

      Nice. I like the way you think.

  • reb

    What? You didn’t ask Andy his opinion on the DJax issue?

    • GEAGLE

      Did you have to go there on this thread? Smh

      No fun league banned dunking on the goal posts lol what a bunch of clowns

      • oreofestar

        YEAH I SAW THAT LIKE WTF?!?! I mean since when has it been an issue

        • George

          when jimmy ghram f-ed up o goal post on a game, there was a huge delay

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not sure but I think they may have also banned the Lambeau leap, but I have to check

      • reb

        well, you know, shouldn’t all articles about the Eagles have something about DJax in them? I just don’t think it’s been discussed enough. I heard that a source close to the team (his agent’s wife’s cousin’s hairdresser’s janitor’s cat) tweeted that it felt like DJax is definitely going to the CFL, maybe or maybe not
        .

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Unfortunately, that wasn’t funny. Good attempt, delivery was ok, but the content needs work. ;-)

        • GEAGLE

          I think you just cracked the case

      • 76mustang

        Instead of banning dunking on the goal posts, how about adding no flashing gang signs into the personal conduct policy?

  • JofreyRice

    Don’t know if anyone needs a dose of feelgood, but this is a great article, written by Brian Flinn for Fishduck–also a WR coach for Villanova. Sorry if already posted, this is kinda old by now, but a really cool read.

    http://fishduck.com/2014/03/timing-rhythm-and-deception-the-oregon-passing-game-in-the-nfl/

    Excited to see what we can do to make this offense even crazier.

    • Michael Myers

      thanks love fishduck, missed this…

  • birdsfanindc

    Nice shirt Andy.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Andy has always been a fan of the Hawaiian garb.

      • Warhound

        As long as he doesn’t wear a grass skirt.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Only when he coaches Pro Bowls

  • TripSquadMonopoly

    Not a lot of talk about OL depth. I do believe that is a key position for us to draft before we run into an issue there.

    • oreofestar

      It comes up if there is a guy that slides or good value in the mid rounds then yeah but it is not pressing where we have to draft one early or anything much bigger needs on this football team

    • anon

      from the combine ol depth is pretty good in the draft.

    • Joe L

      I think a small school guy like Dakota Dozier would be a nice pick. Played tackle at Furman, but will move to G in the pros and could push Herremans out by year 2.

      • GEAGLE

        Like him…just saw Clemsons Brandon Thomas mocked to us in round two to play guard…not that thrilled about that

        • Joe L

          Just because of the round, or the player himself?

          • GEAGLE

            Round…I do like the player tho…but all the tape I get to see is him playing OT and he projects as a OG in NFL…I’m confident talking about OTs, because LT is probably the only position I ever played on offense…I never played RT, never played OG…so I don’t feel as confident projecting OTs to OGs…..and I can’t tell you anything about the center position lol.

            I mean the kid is clearly a round 2 pick who some have sneaking into end of round 1(to Seattle), I just don’t want a OG in round two, when there is a good chance the best OG in the 2015 draft could very well be Hironiss Grasu of Oregon, and we can just draft him without having to project much on how he will fit…I also expect a better year out of Todd, and have No idea what our young linemen on the bench look like

          • Joe L

            Yea I’m not into an offensive lineman in the first few rounds with the needs we have.

          • GEAGLE

            For a fan to even say they want one early is a joke, because none of us have any friggin clue what our backups look like…I haven’t even seen Dennis Kelly in almost two years, I have no idea who bamiro is, although Tre Thomas swears by him when I ask him on twitter…I hear we are high on Tobin, but have no clue what he is….for all I know, Herremans future replacement is on our bench already…not uncommon for an unheralded young back up to turn into a decent guard.


            Heck we only have 5 DLs and that’s assuming Square or Kruger(one of the two make the team)…DL is much higher priority in my eyes then OL

    • PaoliBulldog

      I want an affidavit from HR that he opposed drafting Watkins from the outset.

  • GEAGLE

    Lurie said “no one knew Byrd better then Chip”…sounds like we just didn’t value him at that price, and if Chip did, we would have him

    • oreofestar

      I love Byrd but that was just too much I was hoping for like 5 years 43mil not 6 years 56mil with way more guaranteed than anyone would have liked

  • East Falls 215

    Elephants should never wear Hawiian shirts.

  • EaglefaninAZ

    No joke… this is the first thing I thought when I got here. I’m sure you remember Bluto’s reaction. That was me.

    • A Roy

      But he’s a Legacy. From Harrisburg…

  • StatisticsMan

    There is no apparent correlation between injuries and plays per game. Just look at the numbers. The 2013 Eagles were in the top half of the league (12th) in plays per game yet were tied for 2nd for least players on IR by the end of the season (5).

    On the other hand, the Patriots were 2nd in offensive plays yet were near the worst for players placed on IR (11).

    Conditioning and random chance are probably the two biggest factors when it comes to injuries. I would be extremely surprised if running a few more plays per game over the course of a season correlated with higher injury numbers.

    When looking at injury numbers, it seems like certain teams consistently have higher injury numbers than other teams, lending credence to the idea that a team’s conditioning regiment (or some other team-specific variable) is a real factor. For example, the Panthers have had 8, 12, 12, 11, and 12 players on IR respectively between 2009 and 2013. In the same time period, the Vikings have had 0, 3, 7, 4, and 4 players placed on IR.