Eagles Wake-Up Call: Why Roseman Passed On Byrd

Jairus Byrd

ORLANDO, Fla. – The term scheme fit has been a popular one with Howie Roseman this offseason.

The Eagles’ general manager mentioned it several times Monday afternoon during a session with reporters at the Ritz-Carlton. While DeSean Jackson’s status was the primary topic of discussion, this was the first time Roseman spoke publicly since the start of free agency.




Many might have been expecting more of a splash from the Eagles on the defensive side of the ball this offseason. Instead, they added one starting-caliber player in Malcolm Jenkins and a couple special-teamers.

"When we looked at kind of the numbers and the teams with the cap room and the amount of players that were, in our terminology, red and blue players, we kind of figured this is where we were gonna be in free agency," Roseman said. "Not that it went perfectly according to plan because it never does. But just in terms of how we planned it and what we thought were the realistic options, this was probably in line with it."

The Eagles had a chance to land a Pro Bowl safety in Jairus Byrd, but instead opted for Jenkins. The Saints, meanwhile, let Jenkins walk and awarded Byrd with a monster contract.

Asked if that decision was based more on scheme or cost, Roseman said: "I think it's all those things together. If you’re gonna pay a guy that sort of money, what is he gonna do in your scheme? And then how do you project him forward? Because you can’t pay a player in free agency for what they’ve done. You have to pay him for what they’re gonna do. And then how are you gonna use him? Are you gonna change what you’re doing for this particular player? And does that make sense?"

We've tackled the scheme question in this space previously. Byrd is at his best when he's playing center field and making plays on the ball. But the truth is, if he and Jenkins were available at the same price, the Eagles would have pursued Byrd. The same can be said for the other 31 teams. Byrd is the better player and could fit fine in the Eagles' scheme.

However, that's not to say he'd have been a perfect solution. Byrd doesn't have great size or athleticism. And he cost a lot of money. Those were the reasons the Eagles instead opted for Jenkins.

"What we were looking for specifically at the safety spot, and Malcolm fits, was we were looking for a quarterback for our defensive backs," Roseman said. "We were looking for a safety that can do a variety of things and be multiple. The way we play defense is different than the way other people play defense. And as a personnel staff, our most important function is making sure we get the players that fit our scheme.

"Not that other players don’t fit our scheme that aren’t really good players, but within the context of what we’re looking for. I think we talked about the evolving nature of that position and how hard it is to find guys at that position. Certainly everything that you do has ramifications. For us, just as we kind of went into the market, we explored everything. We looked at everything. That’s our job is to make sure we know what the options are and what the prices are. And for us, we felt like Malcolm was a really good fit in all those areas."

There's also the locker room dynamic that Roseman has mentioned on multiple occasions. When you give big money to a free agent, you have to make sure it's not going to cause resentment in the locker room. The errors from the 2011 offseason are still fresh in the minds of the Eagles' decision-makers. And clearly, those mistakes played a role in the team's free agent strategy.

"You start 22 guys, and it’s such a team game that one player isn’t gonna put you over the top in any way," Roseman said. "...We have to find fits. We have to find guys that we utilize in our scheme and that are right fits for our scheme. And for us it’s all about making sure that the guys that we’re paying the money to are fitting our scheme and we’re not just paying because they can do something well, but we’re not gonna maximize their talents, because we have a limited amount of resources.

"We have a limited amount of picks. We have a limited amount of money to be able to build our team. And so that’s what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to build a culture. We’re trying to build a team. And obviously when you’re at this point in time, sometimes it’s hard to see the complete picture, but we have a plan and we’re trying to execute it."

The Eagles have tried time and again to fix their safety problem, and they've been unsuccessful. Roseman explained his reasoning for this offseason's strategy. We'll find out once the games begin in September whether the franchise has finally found a solution.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Notes on Roseman, Jackson and the culture question, courtesy of T-Mac. "For us, it’s about building the team. We’re just starting. This is our first year in this program."

The Eagles are in the mix for free agent QB Mark Sanchez.

Three Jackson-related takeaways from Roseman's session with reporters: On Chip Kelly's role, DeSean's fit and tampering.

Are the 49ers, Seahawks and Raiders interested in Jackson?

T-Mac on what to expect this week.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Saints GM Mickey Loomis talked to the New Orleans Times-Picayune about trading Darren Sproles to the Eagles:

"Look that's our competition, but every team in the NFL is our competition at some level," Loomis said. "When you trade him to another NFL team, which is all we can do, there's a high likelihood you're going to improve that team.

"And that may come back to bite you. That's OK. I wish Darren nothing but the best. I know he'll be successful, and we'll be happy for that."

Per Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com, the Eagles decided to trade Jackson over a month ago:

In the last week or so, trade talks for DeSean Jackson have escalated. However, the Eagles decided to move on from Jackson well over a month ago, and possibly earlier. It is absolutely not something they decided to do over the last week or two. That of course, should not come as a surprise, but it is something we can confirm via a source close to the team.

COMING UP

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  • Uncle Wonder

    Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner… http://t.co/LHYQLmPoHo— Desean Jackson (@DeseanJackson10) March 25, 2014

    • GEAGLE

      Wtf

      • kyle wilson

        An all time classic…….Benny Blanco from the Bronx LMAO

        • RIP illa

          I hated John Leguizamo for awhile cuz of that character. Carlito shoulda put him down in the back alley of the club when he had the chance!

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah he was a real prick in that movie….

            Benny Blanco? Who the F is you? I been with made people, connected people, who you been wit? Chain snatchin? Jive ass maticon Mofos, why don’t you GTFO here and go snatch a purse lol….He owned his bitch ass lol
            ..
            Then leguizamo made The Pest, and you really wanted to slam his head against a wall in that movie

          • RIP illa

            HaHA..so true

          • kyle wilson

            No doubt…..its a metaphor for life, “handle a small problem early, before it comes back to bite you….”

            Great movie.

      • Mr. Wu

        smh….that was Michael Corleone (GF3) wrong movie….love me some Carlito though…. “OKAY! I’m Reloaded!”

        • GEAGLE

          I feel like I’m agreeing to occupancy you down a road I shouldn’t go down! and I’m going to end up getting shot at :)

    • Kevin

      Finally a piece of DeSean news that is not “from a source close to the situation”. The only people who truly know what is going on are Chip, D-Jax and Howie the rest is just a giant game of whisper down the alley. If Chip shows up to the media Breakfast with that yellow bat to beat people who ask DeSean questions, he will move to #1 on my all time coaches list.

      • cliff henny

        yeah, this ‘source’ thing has got to stop. maybe tim and sheil have sources, but bloggers from bgn, les bowen, that elliot shore-whatever who posts an article hourly, they have got to stop this madness. my guess, main source is jax’s agent, why wouldn’t they talk

        • Kevin

          I hear you cliff. I am not saying that all of the media don’t have credible sources, but that doesn’t mean that their info is correct, especially the more a ‘story’ grows legs and starts run. And I know they are in a tough spot to report things, but something about this story never felt right…. I can’t remember a story that has had so many conflicting reports. I know the big theory is that the Eagles silence speaks volumes, but if your organization is predicated on not talking about rumors and keeping everything in-house, that is what you do, all the time, or one exception becomes two, then three….

        • GEAGLE

          I want to head but Elliot so bad!!!
          ..
          Look while our media is acting I like a bunch of gossipy bitches, and sensationalizing all this crap to push our buttons, Adam Shefter laid out reality, don’t feel like looking it up so I will paraphrase:
          “When the Eagles aquired Sproles what it did was give them flexibility to move a WR for draft picks. The eagles are doin that they should do, see what they can get for him! listen…but if the compensation doesn’t make sense they won’t have any problem bringing him back”

          Basically we aren’t cutting him, we aren’t unloading him for whatever the best offer is….Desean can be had for the right price, if not we are happy to keep him, and terrorize you with him next year…I don’t have too much of a problem with that, and I don’t believe they should allow the media to bring them to their knees and answer their BS fabrications…if the media doesn’t report the right intel, that’s not the Eagles problem…as long as people don’t know your true intentions, then thank the media for the smoke screen they are creating for you and keep doing your business. Real G’s move in silence!!! Howie SPLASH Roseman

    • Philly0312

      Going to be honest, this one gave me a sigh of relief.

      • JReamer

        Me too, but what exactly do you take from it?

        • Philly0312

          Guess you didn’t go to the actual tweet/instagram. It doesn’t end with “winner…”, it ends with “Winner BirdGang!!” I take it that things have not gone as crazy as they seem, and likely most of this story was BS from the beginning

          • JReamer

            Wow. So the past two weeks have been bull?

          • Philly0312

            I’m thinking the idea that they would be open to a trade was real, if they got a Harvin offer, but I think the idea that DJax was a cancer and being cut no matter what was media creation. But what do I know? As it stands now, the actual evidence is in the corner of him staying, not going.

    • RIP illa

      I can’t believe he that’s the pic he put up!!! Hilarious!!!

    • Mr. Wu

      so does that pic say “look we are buds coach and I” or does it say “look at the fat f**k run like Corky from ‘Life Goes On'”?

      • GEAGLE

        Ha!!!! Swearinger would approve your message Wu…..

        Wu was one of the baddest mofos in TV history! Dude fed bodies to Pigs lol…def all time top 5 handle you got

    • aub32

      You know someone will find a “source” that says DJax only tweeted this out to give the illusion that the team values him higher than a 3rd, and if he didn’t then he was on his way to Oakland.

  • addicted2mula

    D. JACKSON IS STAYING!!!!!!!

    • cliff henny

      damnit! I talked myself into him sucking and offense would moneyball it to even greater heights with Evans and Moncrief. good I flip flop faster than a freshly caught fish on the beach

      • GEAGLE

        This news is like waking up to a Colombian breakfast for you bud..MORE WEAPONS!!!!!

        • Richard Colton

          I can’t take this. I really can’t. This is like dating that smoking hot bi-polar girl in college. You know its bad for you. you’re never happy. You really ought to settle down with that stable girl who looks a little like Jennifer Garner…

          • Philly0312

            Internet, two days in a row.

          • GEAGLE

            Sadly I know what you mean oh too well, then again I don’t think I was ever attracted to a girl who wasn’t a maniac…my girl nowadays is pretty laid back, but those 5 days of the month(lady time), she literally turns into Godzilla and I’m Tokyo!

          • Anonymous

            Do you date a smoking hot bipolar girl?

          • Richard Colton

            No. Im dating Jennifer Garner

    • Eagles1018

      Confirmation?

  • GEAGLE

    He ain’t Byrd, but I’m telling Yous Jenkins isn’t a chump. We will like him…he is excited because we plan on using him the wat Greg Williams and Spagnuolo used him back when he was a promising safety…

    You know what Malcom Jenkins was doing last night? Middle of March the dude was studying game film.SAME idiots who trashed the Barwin signing will trash this one! but they will quickly learn

    • Brandon Boykin, LOL

      Not to argue, because I really know nothing about MJ, but I thought he had his best season as a safety under Rob Ryan? Either way, I like the signing, and I think Bill Davis will utilize him well.

      • GEAGLE

        When this past year? It wasn’t a bad year, 2012 was horrible for that entire franchise…..but before that Greg wIlliams and Spags both used to think really highly of him..basically by the end of 2011 he started to look Like Kendricks did this year, In that the following year he was expected to arrive as a really good player(named defensive player of the week twice in December) to put a strong finish to a quality season…then Bounty gate destroyed them, and like his team mates he had a horrible year. This past year was much better for him, but he seems to believe Rob Ryan’s scheme didn’t use him best….and when I was initially researching the safeties…I was told from someone really smart, that for how the Eagles intend to play him, look at his 2011 footage more then 2013, 2012 isn’t worth looking at because it will make you jump off a bridge….then at Malcoms press conference he basically confirmed what I was told and seemed pretty excited about Billy using him how he was used in 2011, and that the 2013 scheme wasn’t the best fit, and it’s not like he had a horrible year he had to make an excuse for, so I don’t see why I shouldn’t believe him

        Team mates know whatps….you don’t become a Defensive captain on a veteran SB team at the age of 26 if you are Nate Allen on Pat Chung

        • GEAGLE

          Team mates know what’s up….

        • Brandon Boykin, LOL

          Good stuff Geags.

  • cliff henny

    wanted Byrd till saw the price tag. that wasn’t walk away or even run away money, that was hop on a crotch rocket motorcycle take off at top speed other direction money. much rather hear way they passed and showed zero interest in Ward.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah I practically started team Byrd like two years, even I didn’t want him when I saw the price..that’s absurd

    • knighn

      Wanted Byrd but was very concerned about the slow foot speed + plantar fasciatis. When a DB starts out relatively slow, that guy can’t afford to lose another step. The Eagles might regret that they didn’t make a harder push for Byrd… but the Saints might also regret that huge contract that they handed to him.

      • GEAGLE

        Rather have Malcom then to pay that type of absurd money

        • knighn

          I wouldn’t mind the Eagles paying that type of absurd money…. for a great safety with fewer red flags. That’s not Byrd. Jenkins concerns me (due to some of his past numbers) but not as much as that contract to Byrd would have concerned me.

          • GEAGLE

            But if I’m being honest, I think Ward was a fair price, as was Micheal Johnson, those are the REAL opportunities we missed out on to improve our team…not my beloved Byrd at friggin Warren Buffet money

          • knighn

            Others have made the argument for why Ward might not fit (or why Jenkins might be a better choice for the Eagles). If I’m being honest, I can’t necessarily blame Ward for going to the Broncos over every other team in the NFL… especially if the money was close.
            It’s anyone’s guess on the Michael Johnson situation. Could just be he got more money from the Bucs than the Eagles thought he was worth.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t buy that Ward fit…he is literally everything we wish Chung was when we signed him…If it were up to me, I would have pushed my chips into the middle of the table and tried to add Ward and Jenkins….
            ..
            The term “Box safety” is a bunch a crap…what do these box safeties do when the other team passes the ball? To they sit down, fold their legs Indian style and wait for the next play? Ward was one of the best man to man cover safeties available, he just.isnt the centerfield.der Byrd is…but ii don’t think a centerfielder is neccessary in our bend but don’t break scheme…..
            Drives me crazy that because Ward is a tackling machine, simpletons talk about him as if he is Taylor mays in coverage..
            ..,
            But when your HC AND DC know the safety well. It’s hard to argue that they made a mistake in not signing him…

            No idea why we didn’t sign MJ. We were interested, found out the price and pulled out..but a career backup like Everson Groffin

          • GEAGLE

            Everson Griffin got 20mil in GUARENTEED dollars, wtf did they expect when they inquired about MJ? 24mil in GUARENTEED ain’t that much for a quality young pass rusher who can instantly be a 3 down player for you

          • aub32

            I don’t know much about MJ’s background (what he did in college) but maybe they had reservations about trying to convert another 4-3 DE into an OLB.

          • cliff henny

            saints paid stupid money. hope they called, heard numbers being tossed around and wished him godspeed

          • GEAGLE

            I can promise all the Byrd lovers that if we signed him and then cut all the players the saints cut. We would NOT be happy

          • knighn

            Since I don’t follow the other teams as closely as you: who all did they end up losing (besides Darren Spoles and Malcolm Jenkins)?

          • cliff henny

            will smith, and piss off graham. rather have happy long term graham and MJ than byrd

          • GEAGLE

            Roman Harper…they cut like 7 dudes who logged major minutes for them, and they are about to go to contract war with Jimmy Graham. Byrd is a great player, but he ain’t worth that!!!

          • cliff henny

            WR Moore too. he my favorite type player…guy you never even think about before game, then whole game wondering why F isn’t anyone covering this little bastard. Cruz, when he first showed up, and Beasley are in that love/really hate category too. why I like Campanaro… want one of those guys, just once, let’s drive someone else nuts for awhile

          • oreofestar

            If we signed Byrd we would not have had to do all that remember the Saints were 15mil over the cap to begin with

          • cliff henny

            ’15 cap would be destroyed right now, in Howie’s eyes. there’s moves that can be made, but Eagles are not in a comfort level today with that cap. add in Byrd’s albatross of a contract, heads would have rolled. before I hear, yes, moves can/will be made, but then you are forcing moves instead of flexibility of moves. if we’ve learned one thing, eagles value flexibility

          • oreofestar

            Oh no way I would have signed hi t that huge deal I am just saying we would not have been f***Ed the way the Saints were detsroying next years cap

          • cliff henny

            F..cked, no, but severely limited options, and Howie does not play that game. think they could have solved d-jax earlier, gotten 4m relief, moved on from Casey, 3m, and been little more aggressive than Maragos and Banyum or whatever his name is, but Byrd got paid A-hole money, cant ever do that.

          • oreofestar

            Byrd got 6 years and more guaranteed than some QBS so no thank you… and yeah I really want Casey gone

          • GEAGLE

            Casey will be on the team this year

          • oreofestar

            Such a waste of 4mil draft my boy Colt and get rid of him

          • GEAGLE

            he is a better weapon that we have seen, and a solid ST player. Obviously I’d rather renegotiate his contract! but he isn’t the waste of space people think he is…

          • RIP illa

            Not a waste of space, just a waste of money. I think he’s a decent hard nosed player, but he’s 30 and essentially a FB. You don’t pay an FB that kinda money. We can bring in a Rookie to be our 3rd TE/FB. Yet I do agree with you, he’s going nowhere as of now.

          • aub32

            He’s worth keeping at least through TC. We never know if one of our TEs might go down.

          • anon

            Yeah i mean he’s a safety – maybe if he was the best pass-rusher and could play inside and outside i could see him getting paid like that, but whatever.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol your boy Jerry Jones wants Jay Ratliff to “give some money back” hahahaha

          • oreofestar

            Jerruh!!!

          • cliff henny

            he’s tried that twice and has lost. wouldn’t matter to cap, that’s pocket money for JJ, so doesn’t matter to us

          • GEAGLE

            Why the hell would anyone give money back to play for a mediocre at best team…if I have to spend the rest of my career on a joke team, I want to squeeze every penny I can out of them…it’s not like Ratliff can say, hey, if I give some money back, we have a shot to be contenders lol, so what in the world would lead him to give money back?

          • cliff henny

            they cut Ratliff last yr. claimed he didn’t rehab hard enough, or something like that, after signing year before a 10m signing bonus. Jerry’s trying to get some of that bonus back. claiming Ratliff quit on team. JJ’s fighting losing battle, NFLPA wont ever let that happen

          • GEAGLE

            If I lived in Dallas, I would try to have jerry of comitted into a mental asylum…

          • cliff henny

            sounds like his son is taking over day to day operations though. hate to say it, but been rather smart off-season for Dallas, money wise. not sure I see a way they move into serious Super Bowl contention anytime soon. by time defense is fixed, Romo will be too old.

          • GEAGLE

            They def were smarter this offseason, money wise, but they damn sure didn’t improve their team…

          • oreofestar

            He’s got a better shot with Chicago :P

          • aub32

            I know we have talked about this before, but it’s not forcing a move if it’s bound to happen anyway. Signing Byrd would not force us to cut Cole, CW, etc. They are going to get released regardless.

          • cliff henny

            some are bound, signing Byrd would force some. say Ryans plays same again, Celek looks same. sign Byrd, these guys are 86’d no matter what. signing Byrd would 100% reduce flexibility in decisions. Cole is about the only 100% gone no matter what. rest, I could see CW getting restructured if they like his play.

          • anon

            I don’t think we are turning over the whole roster next year. We don’t have any depth at lot of positions, haven’t really gotten much in FA, and only have 7 picks.

          • aub32

            Restructured? Maybe, but no way he’s near the 8M that his 2015 cap number currently is. Graham and Herremans are also about a sure bet as there can be. I don’t get why you think a CW restructure can happen but not one for Ryans. Neither Celeck or Ryans would have to be sacrificed. Plus none of our young guys are going to command top tier money. The only thing that would be affected would be our ability to get another huge contract FA in 2015, but it doesn’t seem like we would ever do that. So again all options would be open.

          • GEAGLE

            Think both Cary and Meco will be renegotiated extend thru ATleast 2015

          • GEAGLE

            Stop saying that unless you want to be proven wrong. Cary Williams is an eagle I bet ANYTHING he is on the field for us in 2015, at a renegotiated price of course…The Earliest we will get rid of Cary is 2016

          • aub32

            Hahaha dude I am ok with being wrong from time to time. I don’t get off on pretending I am right about everything. I think it’s hilarious you of all people are advising me not to make definitive statements.

          • GEAGLE

            No we wouldn’t technically, but like Sam Hinkie I think we will always value cap flexibility and always save cap room in case a quality unforeseen opportunity arises for us to pounce on, like a Darren Sproles trade

          • oreofestar

            Indeed I am just saying if Howie really wanted to he could have signed that check but I can not be upset that we did not sign him to $56 mil

          • aub32

            Happy players are overrated. Guys don’t have to be happy to do their job. Graham will either get a long term deal before the season starts or be auditioning to hit FA again next year. He’s not making 6 figures. He’s still making millions.

          • anon

            Well we are trying to cut djax, would have more than made up for it. I’m ok no Byrd, but having a safety that misses soamy tackles concerns me. Esp. If he’s telling other people what to do. But whatever obviously not my call.

          • GEAGLE

            I wouldn’t worry….see how much our players improved their tackling since 2012? We put a real emphasis on fundamentals in philly, and if our coaches made Nate a better tackler! I wouldn’t be too concerned over Malcom..

            Love the fundamentals we emphasis. Everyone says it, but not all emphasize it as much as us…we are the only DL who literally hits the sled every day..players used to hate it, but then when they saw it pay off, it became “Their thing” and they all ran with it….I expect Malcom to have his best year since Greg Williams and Spags left new orleans

          • Token

            You are overdosing on kool-aid.

          • aub32

            Who did they lose that they are really going to miss? They have one of the best secondary tandems now. They still have Graham and Brees. That D was top 5 last year before the upgrade. Do you think we are the only team drafting players? If you think Kelly can replace DJax in the draft, then Payton can certainly replace Lance Moore and Sproles.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, you can’t minimize losing 7 starters of players who logged major minutes for you in one offseason…best case scenario they draft all the right replacements, but I would still expect them having to take a step or two backwards before eventually moving forward. Brees ain’t some spring chicken

          • aub32

            The starters they lost were JAGs, unless I am missing someone. It’s not like they are the Ravens of 2013 who lost a bunch of really good/productive players.

          • GEAGLE

            If you are losing 7 starting pieces of a highly competitive playoff team, I would hope that means you just won a Super Bowl. Continuity matters more then we like to admit…I guess in theory I think it’s dumb to waste what few years of top level QB you have left, having to incorporate so many new players……do you see the way saints players are talking about losing Sproles? They sound like their grandmother just died…last time I heard team mates so upset, was when the Texans gave us Meco and that seemed to work out pretty well for us…

            But I will probably alway think that when you have a legit contender, you should be adding to it, not wasting time redoing so much of the team….that’s what really pisses me off about the Desean situation..we are a young playoff team, we shouldn’t be losing anyone, we should be adding to the nucleus……

            And IFAD if you have….and if we have to lose 7 starters, I would hope you lost them to rectify the s intubation with your most important player…instead they lost all them players and only pissed off their best player even more….can’t see how I can make a case for praising how the saints have operated this offseason….only two moves I under stand is Lance more, because they have Stills, and Jenkins and Roman Harper because they have Byrd…

          • aub32

            Did you forget that the Texans defense did fine without Ryans? Sure they missed him as a locker room guy, but that’s not the most important aspect. Otherwise, Avant wouldn’t be on the street. Let’s not kid ourselves. Sproles isn’t some guy who will make or break a team. He’s a luxury piece. He isn’t a starter, and his production has been declining. I like the addition, but I think NO will be fine without him. Payton has earned more credit as an offensive genius than Kelly. So I think he knows what he’s doing. Now if they lost Graham, then I would be singing a much different tune.

          • GEAGLE

            I wouldn’t say they did fine…they didn’t implode, but it’s not like they went on to have some magical run that they didn’t acheive with Demeco..can’t bash them tho for it,when you lose a quality important player like him. And you free up Cap money, and don’t take a major step backwards, it’s fair to call that a win for the front office…but it’s been two years and the money they saved hasn’t gotten them over the hump,and now Cushin has a shredded knee….but I think it’s fair to say it’s a rare trade where both GMs probably got what they wanted out of it…..but thats only 1 important player. They have yet to replace Wil Smith or Sproles who were a big part of the success of their respective units.
            ..
            Didn’t they also lose their center? Can’t remember if they lost a decent center or added a decent center
            ..
            But at the end of the day, who gives a crap bout the saints, we can agree to disagree…my guess is the take two steps backwards, and eventually get back to where they were, but not move any further ahead…..you would think if a team cuts so many important players they would have done so to get right with their most important player, instead they probably made it worse, so it’s hard for me to really call the, winners even if they added a Byrd man that I adore

          • aub32

            I don’t know how you can say the Texans D didn’t do better after losing Ryans. No they didn’t have a magical run, but that’s due to Schaub. Ryans would not have played QB.

            IDK about the center situation.
            ….
            We disagree here. I think the Saints after the draft will be a better team, but I don’t think it matters. I still don’t think they have what it takes to beat Seattle. Hell, I don’t really think we have what it takes to beat Seattle. The only thing I think that gives us a chance is Shady and our O line, but they didn’t exactly show up against the Saints in the playoffs. So I don’t know if any team outside of SF are poised to beat the Hawks, but there’s still the draft to consider.

  • cliff henny

    positive sign from Jax last night, but doubt ‘as the d-jax turns’ saga is over.

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 13m

    Rex Ryan, at the coaches breakfast, promises “we aren’t done” at receiver. They’ll acquire one more… But draft or trade?

    • oreofestar

      LOL watch tomorrow Chip announce a DJAX extension at the podium

      • cliff henny

        great! and still wouldn’t rule out trade.

        • oreofestar

          WHat if the extension had a signing bonus ;P

          • cliff henny

            not a big deal. extension means committing to Jax, whether signing bonus or not. easily be worked in, even get some salary cap relief.

          • oreofestar

            I know but if they did that it would eliminate him geting traded probably for 2 years

          • cliff henny

            of course. signing bonus = dead money.

          • oreofestar

            I am just saying it would be funny if he got an extension tomorrow

          • anon

            I wouldn’t care — i wish he didn’t want so much money, but everyone knows he take the scheme to the next level, especially with RO gone.

            You know it’s going to be crazy next year 4-5 WRs that can line up anywhere, 2TEs that can line up anywhere, 3 RBs that can line up anywhere. Everyone’s a year into the scheme. Where’s shady, where’s Djax, where’s maclin, where’s sproles, where’s Ertz, where Landry, where’s coop, why is lane johnson lining up in the slot?

            Defense continues getting 2 sacks and 2 TOs a game, i can live with that.

          • cliff henny

            think you should post this every day…just change names of rookie WRs. tomorrow, Evans and Moncrief, please.

          • oreofestar

            If you get to dream about Evans then I get to dream about Gilbert

          • cliff henny

            when they bring him in for a visit, you can. don’t bring a guy everyone thinks you have little to no shot at for no reason. Howie did say surprise guys fall. bring back jax, added to shady maclin cooper ertz and me, not sure how that’s defended…put in Evans, offense would be off the hook

          • oreofestar

            I know he came for a visit and I would LOVE to have EVANS if he makes it to the teens I would even say trade up for him but Gilbert is like my Evans but there is literally NO WAY we get him which does not bother me

        • RIP illa

          Keep him this year cuz they have no choice. Restructure his contract and give him some guarantees. Then try and trade him again next offseason…again!!! LMAO, the “perfect” plan.

          • cliff henny

            sure, sure…hey, i’m already bald, so have at it Howie

    • knighn

      Hey Rex, you want to see DeSean Jackson Turn On The Jets?
      Give us your first!

    • G_WallyHunter

      Does the tweet tell us that Everythings ok now? Or what

      • oreofestar

        I thought that at first but it can be interpreted so many ways, it does not really mean anything other then they finally talked

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya I guess so, mind you its the first real confirmed thing for a real source, maybe all the crap reported in last week really was all smoke..

          • anon

            They probably tried to move him and weren’t liking what they were hearing. Djax probably wants another deal which may be part of it. I’m going to be annoyed if he gets more $$, but if they guarantee him, and keep him under $10mm/yr that’d be perfect.

          • oreofestar

            Yesterday I said there was still a 24.2% chance he comes back, I always believed there was a shot since there is no distinguishing what is true and not

      • cliff henny

        not a damn thing…but extrapolating nothing out of something seems to be the 1 thing philly reporters are good at… have at it Les!

      • Token

        Seemed more Jackson being a little kid on Instagram to me. Means nothing. If they didnt want him gone Howie had a lot of time yesterday to make that perfectly clear.

        • aub32

          Why? What does he gain by telling teams Jackson is off the market. Jackson is one of the top WRs in the league, and if teams think he can be had for a low draft pick, then Howie can see what teams are willing to part with or maybe what they want to do in the draft.

        • RIP illa

          I’m not sure I’m understanding where you’re coming from with this?

          • Token

            I cant figure out how its something positive.

          • aub32

            If it means he’s staying and happy, then isn’t that a positive. If I’m not mistaken you wanted to keep Jackson. Why is that not a possibility? Or are you actually forbidden by law to see something and form a positive opinion on it?

          • RIP illa

            That’s so hilarious cuz it’s so token!

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            I’m just waiting for his insult followed by a comment about how he forgets that nobody is capable of thinking these days.

          • RIP illa

            Ha…Token insult…never!!! :-)

          • GEAGLE

            Yous are the idiots who haven’t minimized him off your page yet, I literally see the name, click minimize and it disappears before I can accidentally read more then the first 3 words of it lol….notice how subdued and non confrontational I been these past 5 days lol….worthless fools that add NOTHING no longer appear on my screen….what a glorious epiphany, I will never have to get myself banned again over a dope :)

          • Token

            Please resume your regular schedule of blowing everything the Eagles do.

          • RIP illa

            I’ll never minimize Token. He’s a staple around here. Just like you, Andy, Rob, RC, and JR. I don’t agree with him all the time, and will get in heated arguments with him, from time to time, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a positive post from him, about the team, but hey…I don’t think he’s bad at all.

          • cliff henny

            not going to lie, this hurts a little…is it cause I want my apology on Nate still?

          • RIP illa

            Nate who…Allen? What am I apologizing for? BTW…you’re a staple around here too.

          • RIP illa

            Banning: I was thinking about that yesterday, when me and RC was talking about Dutch. I then remembered you going off on a tirade one day filled with D eaters and other expletives lol. Man, those days in the beginning were fun as hell. Meanwhile, I get banned for saying the S word in a non confrontational way :-(
            I gotta step my game up lol

          • Token

            It could be a dig too. I dont get how it means Jackson is staying. He just posted a ridiculous pic of Chip.

            But if they did really talk maybe he informed him hes traded. Maybe we will hear something today?

          • RIP illa

            Up Vote. Just for the ridiculous pic. I love how it could be taken as an insult, or adoration.

          • Token

            Yesterday he posted “A friendly face can be ya enemys mask”.

            One thing is for sure, this thing has been handled about as badly as it possibly could have been.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah I saw that. I posted above that there’s really only 3 options to that post on instagram…Chip, Howie, or Segal.

            Completely agree that this has been handled badly. I thought so much so that in was beyond repairable. I still think that to some degree, and the distraction part of it will die down as the season goes on, if he’s still here, but will never truly go away. Any time DJax takes a 1/2 step in a direction people view questionable, it’s gonna comeback up. And I still believe Howie and/or Chip don’t view him as a part of the “culture” that they’re trying to build. That’s why I say they may try and trade him again.

            But for now and with all that being said, I’m getting a positive vibe from this…finally. We shall see what’s to come.

          • RIP illa

            Dude, I don’t know. His twitter ish is too stupidly cryptic.
            But like Aub said, if he’s staying that’s a good thing…Right? The team could still want him gone, but can’t get a good return for him. So the smart move is to keep him…Right?

            That’s what most have been upset over, the fact that it appeared that they wanted to move on from him by any means, for no apparent reason.

            So if they wised up and/or had to kiss his ass a little to make things better. Or if he finally bitched slapped his agent and told him to shut up. Then it’s all good for now…Right?
            Maybe they’ll try to trade him again next year, and we can relive this nightmare all over!!! :-)

          • aub32

            Next year it won’t be such a nightmare. I like Djax. He’s my favorite player on the team. However, my trepidation in trading him had nothing to do with me being a fan of his. We have no one on the roster that can replace what he brings to the table. Next year we will have a much clearer picture on whether we can afford to part ways with him. This year there are just too many questions about Mac, Coop, Ertz, and this mysterious draft pick.

          • GEAGLE

            Strongly agree with this!!! If you are going to lose a special player, you make sure you already have a quality replacement, drafted and developed on your bench who is ready to step in without skipping much of a beat….basically, if we are going to Lose Desean, do it the way they Texans did with Demeco, they already knew Cushingw as ready to handle the loss and take over….we don’t have that yet, and we have the cap space to avoid having to lose a major piece without knowing we have a replacement for it, so without knowing exactly how much of a bad apple Desean is, it’s very hard to think it’s a good idea to lose Desean at this point

          • RIP illa

            I agree and understand. But I still rather have DJax regardless of who we have in place. I think the team can/will be better with him than without. Hell, let us lose, Mac or Coop…I’m fine with that.

          • aub32

            I’d much rather lose any skill player on the team other than Shady in order to keep DJax. Though I get next year that money could be a problem. If Mac has a 1200+ 13 TD season and the rookie can be a high end #2 guy, then I can see the desire to resign Mac and trade DJax. The team will be better with him, but if he yields a high pick that can beef up the D a little, I understand the business side of things.

          • RIP illa

            Can’t say that you’re wrong.
            If Mac puts up those numbers this season, then all I’m thinking is fluke!!! Still wouldn’t be happy. One time outta, what 6 (seasons), doesn’t do it for me. Just leaves me still wondering if he’s worth re-upping on a long term basis. But we already know Howie thinks the world of him, regardless of his stats and play, so it would just be my opinion.

          • dnabrice

            They had a price, and it doesn’t sound like anyone is meeting that price. I think he’s here to stay until that price is reached.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah. We all knew no team would meet that price with the way it was handled, all the info being “leaked” out, and plus this upcoming draft. I’m just left wondering, if they were really prepared to cut him and if so, did they finally realize how stupid that would look and be for them?

          • Philly0312

            Did any of you go to the actual tweet? It reads, “Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner BirdGaNg !!”

            How is that not positive?

          • CJ

            well, for one, Chip’s coming at him with a big stick…

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      jets did get a bunch of comp picks too. leaves the originals to be traded…

  • GEAGLE

    Alex Carrington still remains unsigned…think it’s time he lowers his price!! If we can’t add an interior pass rusher like him to boost our Nickle rotation of Curry and Cox, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see us add Pitts Aaron Donald in round 1 if he falls, even if he will need some work in his two gapping. Lions signed Ihendigbo? Interesting that after all the safety additions, we still had interest in him….think that’s. Direct sign of Chip wanting the Pete Carroll philospophy of bring in as much talent as you can at every position!and make everyone really compete for snaps

    • oreofestar

      I actually wanted CORey Wooten before he signed, still think there are some later guys we could get maybe

      • GEAGLE

        I liked Wooten and even Al Woods…they signed for pretty cheap, which makes me think we simply weren’t interested…

        • oreofestar

          We probably aren’t we must like what we have in Kruger and Curry my guess is we get a late guy on day 3

          • GEAGLE

            Wouldn’t rule out round one or round two DL addition. It’s not a primary concern of mine early in the draft, but considering where we pick, and that I do not believe we will add a DB, a DL like Hageman,Nix,Donald could be the BPA when we draft

          • oreofestar

            Maybe if a guy like Tuitt slipped to our second pick, I really really really really really like Ealy even though we would use him a LB a lot

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, I forgot about Tuitt….wouldn’t be that surprised if year drafted him at 22, but I can’t say he would be top 10 in my wish list at 22…don’t think he lasts past the skins in early round two

          • oreofestar

            I think 22 is too high but I doubt he makes it all the way down at 54

          • GEAGLE

            You won’t see him on any of my top 10 wish list for the 22pick but I could see us liking that kid more then we do

          • oreofestar

            Players I would not hate taking at 22
            Mack
            Barr
            Ealy
            Watkins
            Benjamin
            Evans
            Lee(I KNOW HE IS NOT POPULAR HERE)
            ODB
            Clowney
            Gilbert
            Dennard
            Ebron
            Clinton-Dix
            Pryor
            Mosley

            Factor in the fact that anywhere from 2-4 QBs will be taken before,probably a couple DTs 4 or so OL and then random reaches means that multiple guys on my list will be there maybe even 4-5

          • anon

            With you on Ealy — got my fingers crossed, but they never do what I want (probably better that way).

  • anon

    Ozzie Newsome is crazy with it — 4 comp picks for losing guys last offseason going into the best draft ever.

    • cliff henny

      what round though? Dallas got 3 they’re going bonkers over, but fail to realize it’s mid to late 7th rounders.

      • oreofestar

        I think it was like a 4 and then some 6s

      • anon

        a 3, 2 4s and a 5. Meat and potatoes or picks to trade with.

        • GEAGLE

          Jesus!! That’s like an extra Moncrief, an extra Kirksey, an extra Jarvis Landry! and an extra Justin Ellis….WTF!!!! Jealous!

          • Adam G

            Well they did go from a Super Bowl team to missing the playoffs.

          • anon

            They paid the wrong guy $100mm.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It’s BS though. It allows teams that decide to let their players walk to be reimbursed and help rebuild. Especially a team like Baltimore that ran into problems once they resigned Flacco to that inflated deal.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, but I guess the counter argument would be that it’s still a gamble wagered on unproven talent.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t mind some form of compensation, but NO TEAM should be given that many chances to be right or lucky on hitting on a player. A 3rd & two 4ths? I can see 5,6,7th rds, but 3rd, 4th? No effing way.

            Especially one a year removed from SB win. I get that guys after an SB win, look to cash in elsewhere because not only do they have a ring, but they can use that as leverage in negotiating, as being a SB winner. BUT, YOU JUST WON AN EFFING SB!! C’mon man!

          • RIP illa

            I’m not for nor against it. I just accept it as the way it is. Would you be saying the same thing if it were the Eagles who were in that position? I do see the “NO TEAM”, but is that really how you feel? Of course, I’d be outraged if they were allowed to use those picks and move up. But yeah, I get a twinge of this being an unfair advantage for them.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes, any team, including us. I believe in a level playing field. That isn’t level at all. Apparently it pays dividends on the back-end to win a SB, then let your guys walk. Aww, we’re so sorry Ozzie. Here’s something to help ease your suffering. It’s grade A bullshit!

          • RIP illa

            LOL. Love it.

          • GEAGLE

            What’s bullshit is philosophically we will always be at a disadvantage with compensatory picks, because Howie number 1 priority is to not lose quality young players we draft…so anyone we draft that’s worth a damn in terms of the compensatory equation, we will always just re sign, because everything Howie does is built around drafting then extending our players….so if we lose plays we draft, it’s only going to be the Kurt Coleman’s, Casey Mathews who may not even get signed by NFL teams let alone sign expensive contracts…so we will aways be screwed out of compensatory picks because we are smart, yet teams who do dumb ish, get rewarded? WTF

            Our only hope for a decent comp pick, is BG having some sack luck with limited snaps and a team pay him nice coin to rush the passer, which helps that it’s a position you have to pay Big money for, when Backups like Everson Griffin get 20mil in GUARENTEED dollaz…but after we lose Graham, we won’t

          • GEAGLE

            ..ever lose quality young players again, because we will draft quality kids who fit our schemes….yet SB team of two years ago gets rewarded cause they can’t keep guys they drafted?

          • Adam G

            Having compensatory picks, although at the time is good, is a net negative overall.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m not talking about just this draft. Just the formula behind allowing teams that can win SB, then let role players walk to sign bigger deals because they’ve been a part of a SB winning team & then be able to replace those types of players (young/cheap role players), without to pay those types of players, because you can just count on restocking the pond. Yes, there is a chance that they don’t pan out, but there is also a chance they do. Plus, these are in addition to the picks you already have. It’s a cheap way to reload with young role players that could amount to more.

          • Adam G

            At least its not like baseball where the team who does the signing has to give up the pick.

        • cliff henny

          damn. heck of a lot better than 3 7’s. that’s pretty sweet, i’d kill for those extra picks

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Don’t know why, but for some reason I thought that compensatory picks could not be traded.

          • cliff henny

            right, they cant.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s what I thought. But, alas it does allow the team to keep or trade their original picks.

    • JofreyRice

      He’s a wizard. So smart.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      and a 3rd at that!
      it’s a happy monday here.

  • Philly0312

    Full DJax Twitter Quote: “Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner BirdGaNg !!”

    • Ira Steinstein

      Within the last 15 mins, he edited the tweet. It no longer says Birdgang it just says “winner…”

      • 609to336 Eagles

        Still says Birdgang when I click on it

      • 609to336 Eagles

        Well the Instagram picture does

      • Kd711

        No that just what twitter does when his instagram message doesn’t fit.

      • Philly0312

        No…it wasn’t. I misspoke when I said full twitter quote; I meant full Instagram quote. Nothing has been edited. The “…” is likely just the lead in to posting his link to instagram. If anyone attempts to over analyze this post as anything other than Djax being happy and feeling more secure about a future, for at least this year, with the Eagles, then they are a bad journalist. Fans, feel free to have at it I guess.

  • Sum

    DeSean also tweeted this out prior to that tweet: https://twitter.com/deseanjackson10/status/448294013645635584

    • Philly0312

      Yeah I read that. A lot of people responded as if he was attacking the Eagles, so it seemed he followed it with something more explicit.

    • RIP illa

      I love the questions wondering who he’s talking about. Only 3 choice, if it has anything to do with football at all, Howie, Chip, or Segal.

    • Kd711

      I like how the enemy’s real face matches his tie.

  • GEAGLE

    Where’s Rob at? Bills are letting Corey Graham compete for safety to replace Byrd..Now, I wouldn’t want him to be our starting Safety, but you ATleast offer him a chance to compete for it, and be more then just a Nickle corner,,,Damn IT, would been so much more valuable then Nolan to us, then again Nolan didn’t sign a 16mil deal either

    • oreofestar

      Nolan is going to be valuable but you said it the money Graham got just wasn’t happening I was hoping to get him for half of that

      • GEAGLE

        I know..Nolan is def a solid addition..,.but in limited snaps, Graham has a knack for coming up with big plays..he would not only be valuable to us in subpackages, allow us to have a solid dime defense, but he also can almost backup your entire secondary if times get desperate….he would have been a very nice piece to add to our team…not to mention he is a probowl ST player….I don’t know that he is worth the significant difference in price tag between him and Nolan! but he would have been a quality addition to our Defense, ST and depth

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/BUF

      they have better, deeper corners. and you thought our safeties were bad?
      also, I don’t trust what they’re saying in march, let’s see august. moreso, who said it?
      don’t get me wrong, I wish he was an eagle. but he knew he’d be no better than Dime CB (and i think Carroll is better, and younger); at S, Jenkins is better and Wolff should (I hope!) be better. Probably already is. I doubt he’d be much better than Nate, honestly, but would be good in a dime set. Again, the Carroll signing kind of killed it for us. Maragos put the nails in the coffin.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t disagree.. I mean I want him to be a dime CB for us, I just thought we had to offer him a chance at starting(safety was more open then CB) if we had any chance of signing him is all….but yeah, if he is your starting safety already in the offseason, you are probably screwed to begin with lol…..

  • GEAGLE

    Ok, I spent the last few days coming to grips with losing Desean! then I was asked to wrap my head around accepting the headband wearing Butt Fumble as one of our own? Howie needs to throw us a bone…

    • oreofestar

      Desean’s tweet has given me hope although I am not putting too much into it

      • GEAGLE

        Dont like him deleting “bird gang “

        • oreofestar

          He did not delete it….on instagram at least

        • RIP illa

          Don’t mind it if he did. Still human. I don’t know or can think of anyone of us that would be repping a company that seemingly did not appreciate or want us, outside of work.

          • oreofestar

            Maybe his agent made him take it down

          • RIP illa

            Maybe.

          • GEAGLE

            But if we squashed it, which I thought was the premise of the tweet, then why take it down? Like Oreo, I would assume his agent told him to

          • RIP illa

            Could be. We (the team) have a toxic relationship with DJax, from his side and from the FO’s side. That stuff is truly never squashed. We just gotta hope that all parties involved, start to put the team 1st, so to speak, moving forward and handle themselves to high professional standards. Especially DJax. My 1st goodwill gesture would be to fire Bicknell…lol.

          • GEAGLE

            I’d deliver Bicknells severed head on a silver platter to Desean for starters

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Would the two of you just listen to yourselves. You want to fire (or in Geags case, mame) a coach over one player of 53. This isn’t the sideshow known as the NBA. That absolutely sends the wrong message and ultimately makes matters worse.

          • RIP illa

            Lolzzzz. I thought about the NBA reference long ago. And still F Bicknell :-) I draw the line at coordinators and head coaches. position coaches…NO MERCY!!!

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I’m not quite sure that his tweet was a sign of good will, but possibly the opposite. Hard to tell of course.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    I see the Nnamdi fears in bird, particularly re: speed and athleticism. Moreso, I think they likened it more to the Asante signings. Yes, he was great here, but is Byrd worth that kind of money with age and injury concerns projected further? Aren’t those 2 things most likely to further weaken his weaknesses?

    I’m not as upset as Token or JR (don’t think anyone can be as upset as Token). But we made a run at Byrd, and he got paid a ton (and beyond what I personally thought he was worth).

    At the end of the day, it will really come down to Foles. I sure hope he plays himself into that big contract that all this cap space is being saved for. Otherwise, Chip will have a much bigger issue on hand than mediocre safety play.

    • aub32

      Isn’t that why he’s hedging his bet by bringing in Sanchez?

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        i left that alone on purpose. I have nothing to say on that. truly speechless.

        • aub32

          One of my coworkers just gave me crap about it. Then he made it worse by rubbing in that his team will likely get DJax (Pats fan)

          • oreofestar

            That is one thing I hate about this all these bastards bothering me about DJAX leaving and how we suck

        • GEAGLE

          Lol…I’m with you…I can’t even acknowledge that it’s a reality? Yesterday at like 5pm I got pissed off and refused to look at any of my football news feeds for the rest of the day.
          ..
          They can sign him, start him, make him the face of the franchise, but I will never acknowledge him as an eagle…sort of one of those situations where your mind can’t handle such a traumatic experiences your brain creates split multiple personality disorder(Primal Fear was Bad ass) to deal and cope with the trauma

    • JofreyRice

      Time will tell, but I think its apples to oranges with Byrd and Nnamdi. I actually do hope for the best with Jenkins, but his PFF grades have been consistently poor as a pro. They may be capable of an occasional error, but I think its a lot to assume they been making mistakes on Jenkins for 4 years–not saying you’re doing that, btw.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I was speaking strictly about the non-signing of Byrd, not the signing of Jenkins.
        But, these facts remain about Jenkins, and nothing PFF says to the contrary will make me believe otherwise (I only put so much weight in them to begin with):
        1) Jenkins is young
        2) Jenkins was cheap, with no true long-term commitment in $
        3) Jenkins is strong in all the Chip intangibles
        4) Jenkins is a better safety than Allen, and far better than Chung

        This is not to be confused with me hopping on the Jenkins train. Honestly, and I think Cliff said this elsewhere, I’m more curious why they didn’t sign Ward, or express the same interest.
        IMO, I think the Ward deal with DEN was done before the deadline. I think he had a ton of say in that, just from looking at the $ they got him for. and if that is the case, Howie may have had to make only 1 initial phone call and realize it wasn’t to be.
        Both his original “not paying A++ money for A-/B+ guys” and his comments above, about everything not going exactly according to plan, are the clues I’m reading into for my justification re: Byrd and Ward. And, credit where credit is due, I think Jenkins is/was the 3rd best option for us.

        • JofreyRice

          Hey, I appreciate skepticism in any form, but PFF was very predictive on how Sopoaga, Chung, Williams and Fletcher and Barwin would turn out. When you’ve got year-on-year data, with a lot of snaps, there is a good chance they’re right.

          I think Barwin was better because they knew what he was, and what he wasn’t. He still graded out very poorly as a rush linebacker, but it seems they tried and play him to his strengths, as a drop ‘backer. Jenkins is never going to be the player Byrd is, and will be, but maybe the coaches can put him in positions to play to his strength. It’s a little tough to judge for Jenkins, because he’s graded negatively in run defense and coverage for the last 3 years running. The games I’ve seen of him this year, he’s really only stood out in a negative way. In 2010, however Gregggggg Williams was employing him produced some positive plays for their defense. I don’t know the specifics of that scheme off the top of my dome, but hopefully that’s what Davis’ plan is.

          The “cheap, therefore good for the org” argument doesn’t really move me. You can get a lot of guys for cheap, but if the ultimate goal is to win football games, not the financial health of the franchise in the next decade, I’d prefer to have the better player on the field. When you think about what Jenkins cost this year, and what Sanchez might sign for say, maybe around 4m, well…there’s Byrd for you right there. And I do think that one player is going to have a much greater effect than either of those two bums.

          I think time away from the 2011 offseason, and the results of this kneejerk reaction in the other direction–the “shot in the dark” approach to free agency–will change Howie’s mind again, eventually.

      • pjcostello

        I don’t think it’s apples and oranges, precisely. When you’ve gotten burned, you tend to shy away from repeating the behavior that caused the pain. In this case I think it was a matter of upsetting the salary apple cart.

  • Brian

    Sheil, Thanks.

  • Will

    I think the Eagles did the right thing to pass on Byrd because of the huge price tag….glad they got Jenkins just wish they found someone other than Allen…

  • Will

    DJax should be giving back to the community in a big way not hanging out with gangsters or wannabe gangsters. I presume Djax is failing the character test the Eagles hold all players to. DJax has got to realize he is a role model for kids in America. Whether DeSean admits it or not he is also one of the faces of the franchise so being linked to gangs in any shape or form simply won’t be tolerated or should it be by the Eagles. I think this is the thinking in letting go of DeSean regardless of the talent he brings to the field. Given recent history with the TE of the Pats. I can understand the dim view of such activities by the Eagles Organization.

  • Mike

    To anyone talking about Jackson’s need to be a role model for kids: He’s spent most of his time lately on an anti-bullying book that he was a part of producing, uploading on Facebook pictures of kids who are joining “the movement” against bullying. Seems like decent role model material to me, no?

    • Will

      DeSean may have done a bullying campaign which is nice but that is not all he is doing in his spare time. Hanging out with gangsters to promote his record company label sends the wrong message to kids wouldn’t you agree? This is the core or root of the problem and the Eagles not wanting any association to gangs or gang violence which is a rampant problem with youth in America.

      • Eagledelphia

        Well then they will have to get rid of and pass on a lot of players for a very long time or just not take a lot of young African American athletes because In reality a lot of these players best friends will be gangsters or thugs because that is where they come from

        • Zepi

          It’s inaccurate when people compare these two character issues as the same. It’s how they respond to these character issues that matters. When a player realizes he was wrong it’s easier to over look those character issues than if someone thinks there is nothing wrong. Big difference.

          • Eagledelphia

            Its inaccurate to compare because one person actually did something while the other did not. Desean throwing up a “gang sign” is much less offensive than Riley Cooper screaming racial slurs.Now do you want a player doing either one of course noy but lets not act like Desean’s actions are worse. Also because Riley Cooper got caught and had to apologize doesn’t mean anything he wanted to keep his job and is sorry he got caught but is he still probably a racist I would say yes

          • Zepi

            What do you mean one person did something while the other did not? Desean throwing up a “gang sign” is promoting gangs. Riley said a racial slur. Sounds like they both did something….

          • Eagledelphia

            Desean throwing up a gang sign is more than likely promoting where he is from not the gang but either way my problem in the first place was that you cant try and micro manage these players lives to the point where you trade or release them for nothing other than a gang sign if Desean was really thugnificent as he is trying to painted then he definitely would have been arrested or failed a drug test not on day time talk shows supporting anti bullying and the damn fashion police

          • Zepi

            Fair point. So it basically boils down to what an organization, that knows a whole lot more than we do, wants as acceptable character for it’s locker room. Micro managing players character can work. Do you think Bill Belichik has been successful over these years by micro managing his players character issues or has it hurt their team?

          • Eagledelphia

            Eh that I don’t know I think Bill is a great coach but I think he’s hurt the team too like thinking good players are always replaceable and thinking he can always just plug and play guys I think without Brady our view of Bill might be a little different in these post super bowl years

          • Zepi

            That’s a good point. Talent can definitely make up for a lot.

          • Eagledelphia

            I don’t think he will but moving Jackson makes me worry that Chip might fall into the trap that he can make it work without great talent

  • eaglesfannn

    When players COST too much money ….. they don’t fit our system ….. problem solved. Now they will never have to break the bank for ( top Tier ) so called ” blue chip ” players. Their excuse is PERFECT. We on the outside ( can not ) dispute their claim of ” fitting their system ” , because it is a SUBJECTIVE thing that they will ( SAY ) ….. only the Eagles personnel understands who fits and who doesn’t. Well done.

    • Max Lightfoot

      Yes, and somehow the Eagles always seem to end the season @ $30 million under the cap to give them “flexibility” for the next FA season, and to reward rookie contracts with real money. $30 million seems to be a magic number. So they spend some of that – but not all. Or am I just imagining this year-to-year?

  • John J. King

    “Because you can’t pay a player in free agency for what they’ve done. You have to pay him for what they’re gonna do. And then how are you gonna use him? Are you gonna change what you’re doing for this particular player? And does that make sense?”
    Nice!

    • Amar (India)

      Thanks Big Tuna !