Wake-Up Call: Owners Meetings Begin

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ORLANDO — The NFL big dogs aren’t exactly roughing it this week.

The owners meetings officially get underway this morning but by Sunday the plush Ritz-Carlton, nestled next to a golf course on a picturesque plot of warm Orlando soil, was buzzing with league executives and coaches. There’s some business to attend to between now and when the meetings close on Wednesday afternoon but it’s very much a social scene — team brass rubbing with team brass over long dinners, a late-night cocktail or a quick nine. Not a bad setting if you wanted to, say, casually discuss a certain 27-year-old Pro Bowl receiver while smoking a cigar fountain-side.

The Eagles contingent  has kept a low profile thus far. Howie Roseman passed by in a blur on the couple occasions he was spotted in the lobby. If most of his colleagues were walking at 2, he was at a 6. (Last year at these meetings was the most relaxed I have ever seen the general manager. Something tells me this year is going to be a bit different.) Jeffrey Lurie emerged from the welcome reception with Jaguars owner Shahid Khan, then  quickly disappeared out of sight. We didn’t see Chip Kelly at all.


Sometime this week, though, all three are expected to address the media. We may hear from Roseman and Lurie as early as today. Kelly is slated to speak with reporters for an hour on Wednesday morning at the NFC Head Coaches Breakfast.

Curious to see how they handle the barrage of DeSean Jackson-related questions. Their preference would surely be to lay low until this situation reached a conclusion. No such luck. Do do they acknowledge that they plan to move on without the wideout, and begin stating their case as to why? That wouldn’t be too good for leverage (however much they have left). Do they stiff arm the media on the subject? Not sure that’s the play either.

Kelly’s session will be particularly interesting. While there are other topics to cover, Jackson is the story and there will be a push to get something of substance out of the head coach, who obviously has helped chart this course. If there is resistance, it could make for a very awkward 60 minutes.

One way or an other, the Eagles will be talking – both to the media and other teams. We’ll let you know what comes of it.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Owner Woody Johnson openly admits that the Jets have interest in Jackson.

Michael Vick on the potential of Jackson joining him in New York.

The wide receiver is convinced that he is on his way out of Philadelphia.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski looks at some recent wide receiver trades, and finds that return compensation is all over the map.

While one person might point to the Harvin trade as an optimistic measure of what the Eagles should receive in return, another person can just as easily point to the Steelers trading Santonio Holmes for a 5th round pick the offseason after he finished 7th in the NFL with 1248 yards on 79 receptions.

Dan Graziano offers his thoughts on how the Eagles might approach the draft.

Mel Kiper Jr.'s latest mock has the Eagles taking Louisville safety Calvin Pryor. Todd McShay's  has them taking Ohio State cornerback Bradley Roby. The Eagles have had revolving doors at those position in recent years, and the opportunity to find a long-term solution -- especially at safety, where they've struggled for any kind of consistency since the Brian Dawkins days -- will have to be tempting.

But I keep thinking back to Chip Kelly's "bigger people beat up little people" line from last year's NFL owners meetings, and in general I believe that a strong defensive front (specifically a pass rush) helps out the secondary more than a strong secondary helps out the front. So I wonder if it would be temping also to get strong up front, especially in a draft deep in cornerbacks and safeties. Could the Eagles take a pass-rusher like Missouri's Kony Ealy or a defensive lineman like Notre Dame's Stephon Tuitt or Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman and then address the secondary in the second and/or third rounds? I don't think it's a crazy idea.

COMING UP

Owners meetings officially begin.

 

 

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  • GEAGLE

    The eagles aren’t drafting a DB at 22, they just aren’t…Graziano is absolutely right that we will invest in the front 7 this draft and probably take the best DB available in round 5, possibly 4(but we need that pick for Christian Kirksey who we absolutely have to get for Billy Davis)

    Kony Ealy…forget about it! I actually would love to add him, but he ain’t making it past the titans,Giants and Cowboys(who I can’t even name a single DE on their roster)…I can almost guarentee the early rounds will be spent stocking up at WR and Front 7…it’s not only what the eagles will do, but also what they should do..

    ODB/Cooks
    Marcus Smith/Trent Murphy/ Attaboy
    Monster Moncrief
    Christian Kirksey
    best DB (Terrence mItchell will be there, but hopefully someone better falls)

    And seriously. I want my pick for tampering. Friggin Owners don’t get to mention Desean by name..WTF. What if none of this trade talk was real, and now the owner is publicaly talking about Desean and this would cause us problems? We all know that’s BS, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bitch about it til we get our tampering compensation…

    • Bullwinkle

      Just curious as to why Kony Ealy would be a better prospect than Vinnie Curry? I don’t think Ealy demonstrated exceptional athletic ability at the combine. He’s not a real big guy. What makes him such a great prospect?

      • anon

        Check rotoworld, they did a couple articles on pass rushers. Walt is by far the most versatile / well rounded of the group we can get. Multiple moves, most sacks came from bull rush, used to handling LTs.

        I like him and we have to get the wr Landry in the layer rounds. He’s exactly what we need in terms of toughness, only like 3 drops all seasi and he’s a chain mover.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Take those picks anyway we can get them.

      • GEAGLE

        I encourage everyone to watch some Christian Kirksey…I haven’t seen too many college LBs who can do the things he does in coverage..if Kirksey,Christian Jones and Telvin are all on the board…I’m taking Kirksey!!!

    • Richard Colton

      As much as I’d like the value we would get at WR at #22, I’d love a way to address pass rush in round one and sneak KVN in with #54. That’s just personal preference.

      • GEAGLE

        Hey man. I don’t even like Offense…would LOVE to get a pass rusher at 22, I just don’t see any that’s realistically worth the pick..
        Kony won’t get passed Dallas if he even makes it to them..
        Dee Ford I don’t want at 22, because I think he is ATleast two years away from being a 3down OLB, it will take him time to learn to set the edge and play the run….Murphy and Marcus are way closer to being ready to play the run and rush the passer then Dee Ford is…
        ….

        • Richard Colton

          If Dallas takes Donald and Tennessee takes Barr…don’t think its foregone conclusion that Kony is gone. Think we could be looking at Kony/Ford/ODB all being there at #22.

          • GEAGLE

            If We can’t get ODB or Cooks, I’d def probably have Kony on the top of our board…but I’m actually starting to think Aaron Donald falls, and we pounce on him…
            ..
            Doesn’t look like we will land Alex Carrington in FA, so we probably wouldn’t scoff at a talented player like Donald, instantly adding some interior pass rush to our Nickle rotation…..

            I think Eagles picks will be versatile, supreme athletes…Donald fits the Bill…..everyone talks about Tuitt, your boy Nix, or hageman, but I wouldn’t sleep on us plucking Donald if he falls..

            I’m hearing ODB and Cooks may not even last til #20, that will push two players we aren’t expecting down the draft board..
            ..
            I love Calvin Pryor, spent all last week watching him, but I can pretty confidently say we won’t take hi, t 22

          • GEAGLE

            …we won’t take Pryor at 22

          • Richard Colton

            Starting to see a lot of ODB to the Jets at #18. Be an interesting pick. I’m less high on Cooks. Donald CRUSHED it at the combine. Looked every inch the dancing bear. Could start at DE for us and make things very interesting up front.

    • oreofestar

      I love Kony and I disagree he may be there at 22

      • GEAGLE

        Can you name a single defensive end on the cowboys roster? Think there is a better chance Barr makes it to us then Kony

        • cliff henny

          I can…and that’s pathetic of me

          • GEAGLE

            Lol….I can’t right now, I’m assuming the will play 2-5-4 defense(if that even exists lol), using two DTs and just dropping 9 into coverage lol…wonder how many sacks their current DEs got last year lol

          • cliff henny

            oh, they’re expecting bass Crawford mincey melton and selvie (guess I don’t know which is a DT or DL) all to have career seasons. draft DL like we hope eagles draft wr/lbs. though big difference is eagles can ease these guys into the shallow end while cowboys will be tossing the picks into shark filled deap end of pool. sink or swim is rarely good strategy, better be supreme talent

          • GEAGLE

            Yup!!! Lane and peters should really enjoy playing the cowboys this year…

          • cliff henny

            it’s not like dline is only bad unit. sean lee gets hurt, and he will, LBs are terrible, and i’d bet they’d kill for eagles safeties, ’12 and ’13s, they are that bad. sure most on here only watched eagles’ game, only one they were half decent-and eagles left a ton on field-but Dallas’ D was getting torched with Ware and Hatcher by backups.

          • anon

            you mean how many starts?

        • oreofestar

          Well look they are stupid they could go guard or safety plus they could go Donald or something I think it is realistic they pass on Ealy

          • GEAGLE

            DE is the most important position on their defense. If they take ANYONE with Kony still on the board, it will be almost as dumb as them taking that center last year

          • oreofestar

            But they will

    • RIP illa

      I’m really hoping that we aren’t seriously considering drafting Mitchell. Reminds me of the Poyer situation, but worst. He’s smaller-ish, slower, and not as good. The rest, I have no problem with. Well except for Murphy, but it’s not even close to being out of the realm of probability that Chip could and would draft him.

      • GEAGLE

        Not married to Mitchell at all..I would hope we have better options available, I just use his name as a 5th round proxy..I also could see us taking a safety instead of a corner. If you don’t like Mitchell, I wouldn’t worry, good shot we have a higher rated safety or CB on the board in the 5th…
        Not great size, but 5″11 195 isn’t some tiny CB destined to only play the slot…Poyer is probably a fair comparison. Not a blazing CB, but a decent playmaking CB at the college level…
        Best 3cone drill
        best 20yarf shuttle
        2nd best 60yard shuttle
        ..
        But his 40 time was slower then Dion Jordns, and that’s a problem

        • RIP illa

          Yeah I thought Poyer was a way better prospect than Mitchell also. I also thought Mitchell was like 5’10 and just shy of 190lbs. I understand the 5th round proxy thing now that you laid it out. Maybe we still take a chance on the injured Colvin??? Who knows, when you get to talking about 5th round CBs. Although, my “draw the line” CB would be Dontae Johnson, for right now.

          • GEAGLE

            Ooooh like Dontae way more then Mitch…I’m thinking greedy pricks 49ers and their 37picks will Draft Colvin and stick him on IR…they have to more pics then their roster can handle, I’m sure they would draft Colvin higher then we would,…

  • GEAGLE

    These next 3′days are going to be crazy, and fascinating at the same time. I have No idea how the hell we will handle this. I don’t even have a damn idea on how we should handle it…but I can assure you, Chip won’t be slaughtering the media like he does from the comfort of the Novacare podium. The Nation is watching, and this will require Finesse…kind of how Andy was totally different dealing with national media as he was with the Local Media…I’m not sure, but I don’t think Chips whipping boy.les Bowan will be in Orlando…of course LaConfora arrived in Orlando yesterday,and I’m sure Chip has plenty of firepower from last year that he can use to destroy LaConfora…

    Interesting week…no idea wtf is going to happen, how this Desean mess will play out, or what will be the timeline for when it happens…but I think there is a decent chance this gets resolved in the next 10 days as opposed to waiting til the draft..

  • cliff henny

    Don’t go outside! frog filled blood rain will be falling from the sky anytime now, Graziano just made 90% sense!

    • Richard Colton

      He did. ‘Shede or Tuitt going to move the dial here? Not exciting picks. I’d rather see Nix (know he’s not popular among the 24/7 faithful).

      • cliff henny

        eagles need about 25 picks from D-Jax trade to satisfy everyone being broken by Reid, i’ll never complain about a trench pick. seeing Johnny G’s draft option below is about what I’ve been saying for 3 months, need to get 2 stud WRs, even moreso now that Jax is moving on, and Cole’s and Ryan’s replacements/help

        • GEAGLE

          Lol we thought we needed two WRs in the first 4 rounds when we thought we would have Desean,Mac and coop….how many WRs do we have to draft now, with Djax gone? Your 7 WR draft may become a reality bud

          • cliff henny

            Eagles go WR in rounds 1, 2 and 3, imagine the opposite emotions coming from you and me? i’d be going absolutely bonkers with excitement…you’d have 1/2 the philly police in riot gear waiting outside for the 4th rd pick

          • GEAGLE

            Lol you know me too well!!!

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Rapaport tweeting Johnson’s statement that while they’re interested, “trade’s not our primary operating motif”. Also said Raiders not interested in giving up picks for DJ. Brandon Lee Growton tweeted the Seahawks aren’t interested at all.

    • Eagles1018

      This is exactly why it makes sense that Desean had his camp saying this to the media and calling themselves “sources”. I’d much rather a player like that leave the team. Let him get shitted on by a team that gives him a smaller contract. No way he gets the same deal he got from us anywhere. Greedy prick

      • aub32

        What?? You are condemning the guy having absolutely no idea where the rumors got started. Wow. I hope you’re not a judge.

        • Eagles1018

          We heard niners and Seattle were interested. Haven’t both teams come out and deny interest? The Eagles have said nothing. The “sources” are never “eagles sources”. Who’s left? Maybe it was J Mac or Coop? You be the “judge”

          And I’ve found a new love for using quotation marks. Thanks

          • aub32

            What are you talking about. One of the reports that gave this story legs is that there were talks about trading Jackson on the 2nd floor of the NovaCare complex. Do you think Jackson or his agent are on the 2nd floor making phone calls? Also, if the team never made or fielded a call, wouldn’t it take away any leverage Jackson may have to just say so? Now I am hoping you are neither a “judge” or a “lawyer”.

          • Eagles1018

            Ok that’s fair. Can you please attach a link for that report? I’m not going to argue with you, I assume we’re on this board with the common hope that the best thing happens for our favorite team. But within that report I’d like to just see where it says the Eagles said they were looking for trade partners

          • aub32

            The only report I saw about them actively shopping that that they contacted the Panthers. Now that report has been disputed. That was my whole point. At this point we have no idea where reports are coming from. Until I see a report coming from a specific name from either the Eagles or DeSean’s camp, then I will reserve condemnation and name calling.

    • GEAGLE

      Blah blah blah….saw a report that jets want to give us Tampa’s 4th and their 5th…

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        I saw someone post that tweet on the comment board last night, too. Didn’t it say we said “no thanks”?

        • GEAGLE

          I saw it on twitter…whether it’s real or not, we wouldn’t just jump at the first offer we hear. There is NO reason to be accepting that offer Monday when the owners meetings are just getting under way

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Don’t disagree.

          • cliff henny

            have 8 weeks to field offers-or however long it is till draft. not like other teams cap space will change much or a better talent than Jax will hit market. Howie and Kelly made it thru the shit-storm, no rush now

        • oreofestar

          That is what I heard which would lead me to believe cutting him is not an option and we want actual compensation for him, or we are playing wait and see and hoping his value spikes

          • GEAGLE

            We aren’t cutting him…we will get value, and knowing That Howie is infinitely smarter then the people running some teams like the jets and Raiders, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get better compensation then we expect

          • cliff henny

            sproles got a 5th. read where Jax contract might be an issue, think that’s not accurate at all. any team trading for him will have something worked out with agent before finalize trade with Eagles.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup..even talking about Deseans contract is just pathetically dumb reporting…everyone knows Desean wants a new deal. NO ONE, not even dumb teams like raiders and jets will give up any compensation until they know they have a new contract that Desean and his agent are happy with! before ever making the trade official….Desean acts like he won’t restructure to help us trade him. But who the hell is he kidding? He has no offseason bonus’s coming his way, we don’t owe him a penny til September…I’m sure when some team dangles a pay day in his face, he will change his tune, restructure for a trade…there really is no point in him not restructuring….because he has to agree to the contract with the new team, so his agent and him still technically have veto power over where he is traded, so it’s pointless to risk us holding him hostage so he can become a free agent and pick his team. Because he basically gets to pick his team already.

          • anon

            who would pay him more than $10mm the problem are his stats last year make him a top 5-7 WR but no one is going to pay for that untl after the draft. If i needed a WR i’d just wait to see if i got one, if not EAgles can have 2015 which will likely be a much weaker class for WRs.

          • GEAGLE

            So if you were Rex Ryan, or Izik and you are going to be fired if you don’t make the playoffs this year, and the last time you drafted a WR with a high pick, Stephan Hill, he turned out to be a blazing fast pile of Doo Doo….instead of trading for Desean, you are going to role the dice, draft a WR and hope he saves your job as a rookie?

            GMs from unstable organizations who are on the hot seat, don’t give two shits about building the right way, or causing future Cap problems for the organization…these GMs are scrambling for instant band aid to save their jobs, even if it’s not in the best interest of the future of their organization…
            ,,
            And we aren’t even talking about the dumb owners who will tell their GM to go get Desean,.,these billionaire Owners our proud men with Egos…I’m sure plenty are embarrassed by their franchise this time of year when they have to rub elbows with all the successful owner like Bob Craft…we are spoiled by Lurie actually being a hands off owner, who doesn’t pressure Howie into dumb ish that we pay for down the road

          • anon

            Jets are most likely given former eagles there that probably like him and Rex is going to want the high picks for defense. But you’re thinking better than a 3rd? I just don’t see it.

          • GEAGLE

            Never said that, and I would never say that, especially in this draft where there isn’t going to be much of a difference between the player you get at 22 and the player you get at 77
            ..
            Steelers GM yesterday said this the best draft in 30years and EVERYONE wants to trade back.. I’d almost rather get a top 5 pick in round 3, then the #25th pick in this draft…I know it sounds crazy, but none of the players I believe in and want are worth the 22nd pick….I can take Lee with the 22nd pick. Or I can take Moncrief who I think will be a better player! assuming both players go to equally healthy franchises! and I can pay Moncrief 3rd round money which is much less then the money we would have to pay Lee in round 1…3rd round pick is Fine by me!! Especially in this draft!!…I just think we will end up with a little better value then that. I wouldn’t bet on us getting a 1st or a 2nd. But I expect more then a 3rd when the dust settles…ATleast a 3rd and a 5th in 2015, ATLEAST!!!!

          • travispapa

            i don’t understand all this contract talk because his compensation closely resembles his production. Both are top 10 you have a lot worse wrs making similar or better money. Look at Wallace’s contract or Harvin we can agree they are not currently worth their paychecks but djax matched his pay with his production. If he was a free agent I would be shocked if he didn’t receive a deal in the current neighborhood of this contract. I also don’t get the whole no team wants him because they could just draft a wr and instantly he is equal or better than a top 10wr in the league. Wr takes time to develop in the nfl I think 4 or 5 wrs in the past decade or longer have had 1000yds receiving in their rookie years. If a team drafted 4wrs in this draft 2 might be with the 3yrs from now and maybe 1 if they got lucky might be a star worth a 2nd contract in the neighborhood of Djax. I’m all for whatever the team decides is the right course of action but saying there is no market because of this or that makes no sense. One last thing is where are the tampering charges and what can we get for that?

      • cliff henny

        good…well, F that jax is being traded. hope Howie can move that up to a 2nd and 4th combo.

        • GEAGLE

          Remember what I told you on wednesday? I think Howie has an ace of spades up his sleeve..my best guess is we already have a serious offer on the table from the Raiders…who have been way too silent about the rumors while we were ATleast hearing rumors out of NY,Seattle,Carolina and Niners…the raiders recently tried to say they aren’t interested but I don’t buy it….Howie is no fool, and I simply don’t believe he would ever play his hand as poorly as it seems..all this insanity, yet howie is operating like he doesn’t have a care in the world…he knows something we don’t…think he has a nice offer on the table from Oakland, if that’s true! all we need is another team to throw their hat in the ring and start a bidding war…

          • cliff henny

            yeah, I get the critique and criticism (and really enjoy when JofreyRice gets going) on Howie, but this point, he’s not a bumbling fool. pretty sure everyone hated how eagles addressed safety, but seems like they are dead set on sticking to a plan of attack. consistency/focus of thinking/decisions does matter in NFL, so i’ll give them some credit there.
            .
            hope they know what they are doing…seems like a very unneeded risk.

          • GEAGLE

            Definitely an unneeded risk, but if we are going to go down that path, I’m confident Howie will make sure we are properly compensated, even if it doesn’t seem like it right now

          • Eagles4Life
          • GEAGLE

            What’s this? Teams aren’t publicly lining up to announce to the world that they will shower the eagles with compensation for Desean? You don’t say….guess it’s all time for us to cut Desean and nose dive off the Walt Whitman bridge..

          • Eagles4Life

            I’ll jump too if you go first lol

          • anon

            Not the way they are running around and ducking the media. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a good offer from raiders, b/c it’s the raiders, but why would you put a WR into this flooded WR market? You see Decker barely got paid can’t believe someone would give good value for a #12m WR when you can get a good guy for cheap in the draft.

            I’d honestly consider firing my GM if I was an owner of a team trading for Jax without a restructured deal (which Djax shouldn’t do).

          • GEAGLE

            Dude…have you missed the 10 coaches and GMs that get fired every offseason? I simply can’t possibly believe that 31 coaches and GMs are so comfortable and not worried about losing their jobs, that every single one of them can afford to draft and wait for kids to develop enough to save them from being Fired….BTW, there are also probably ATleast two owners who are dumb enough to actually push their GM to trade for Desean…Rex Ryan will be fired if he doesn’t make the playoffs…and their last high draft pick, Hill, didn’t come in and save the day…don’t see how they can rule out Desean

            When the Raiders don’t franchise one of the very best young players in the NFL in lamarr Houston, instead paying good money to older, or injury riddled player like Lamarr Woodley, then yes, they aren’t smart enough to draft a WR and not trade or Desean….plus I hear they were making good offers to free agents but had problem getting players to agree to sign with them(don’t know how true that is, but it wouldn’t surprised me)….I mean, the owner of the raiders is the fruit of Al Davis’s loins for crying out loud lol

          • anon

            You may be right. Everyone wants out of Oakland, this might be the only way to get players. They already gave up their 6th, i don’t know how many picks they have…

            That said maybe there’s just enough teams to start a bidding war that could lead to picks.

          • GEAGLE

            All it takes is two to get the ball rolling…two dumb, impulsive owners or two GMs feeling the heat of losing their job and telling their wives and kids they have to take a pay cut, move to a different city. Make their kids start over at a different school…and I can count ATleast two, with the Raiders and the jets….Woody can say whatever he wants but it doesn’t even matter. Facts are:
            His team missed the playoffs the past two seasons
            His coach and GM will both get fired if they don’t get to the playoffs
            His best player of the past decade, Revis just signed with his rival
            Marty and Vick are running that offense(not sure Rex even nk ows what offense is)
            And the last time they spent a high pick on a WR, they picked the ultra talented, hot pile of garbage, Stephan hIll
            ..
            And I simply don’t see how they could possibly think they will just draft a WR, even in this talented class, who will help save their jobs as a rookie

            How can they even afford to not strongly consider trading for Desean?

    • GEAGLE

      I doubt Brandon has a serious connection in Seattle, that would make us take his tweet serious….if Yous are expecting Owners or GMs to start publically talking about how much they want Desean and what they yet are willing to give us for him, it’s just not going to happen…not too many Dumb people like Woody who will open their mouth about it publically..

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Checked back into it. He linked a Florio report. So we now know it’s garbage.

        • GEAGLE

          Oh geez lol

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I’m still figuring out the twitter. Dudes gotta stop making reports based on the reports of others. Especially when it’s from clowns like Florio.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah it’s crazy, everyone just regurgitates garbage…like Cliff says, it ain’t official til Shefty reports it

          • cliff henny

            rapsheet and scheffie…rest is guys passing other guys tweets back and forth, playing game of whisper down the line, adding a little to rumor here and there to make it their own.

          • George

            Or Glazer, but he’s out cold now

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, glazier won’t talk until he knows something is true….sucks that he just got out of the hospital and can’t travel to the owners meeting…I have so much respect for Glazier. He can probably post rumors sooner then everyone, but would rather not break the story then post something that turns out to be false…gotta respect that in this day and age of HACK “journalism”

          • George

            Cant agree more

    • RIP illa

      I’m still trying to see a way, based on what we know as of now, why DJax would play ball and let us trade him. I’m also still doubting a team would trade for him with the way his contract is currently set up and knowing that rumors of his release are abound.

      To the 1st issue…He still is owed 6mil from the Eagles regardless, correct? His signing bonus was prorated at 2 mil a year and he’s owed 3 more yrs of it. And based on what my understanding of the CBA, a team can’t touch that under any circumstance, short of him committing a crime and going to jail. So even if he gets a Decker deal with a new team, (as someone suggested last night, that that’s all he’s worth, which I don’t believe) That’s still 7.25 mil a year, with 15 mil guaranteed. Add the 6 mil and that’s 21 mil guaranteed, essentially. That’s pretty much about the same amount that he would be making for playing with the Eagles, this season and the next. And he’d lose about 2mil and some change in 2016. So what am I missing when it’s comes to him letting the Eagles get what they want vs his own interest?

      • cloisterwater

        Jackson doesn’t have a choice if the Eagles decide to trade him. This isn’t baseball.

        • RIP illa

          Thanks for that.

          “I’m also still doubting a team would trade for him with the way his contract is currently set up and knowing that rumors of his release are abound.”

          • cloisterwater

            That statement is completely separate from what you call the “first issue”:

            “I’m still trying to see a way, based on what we know as of now, why DJax would play ball and let us trade him.”

          • cloisterwater

            Bolding a completely different statement doesn’t change the fact that you questioned why Jackson would “let” the Eagles trade him.

          • aub32

            Jackson does have some leverage when it comes to trading him. His cap number is rather large, and at this time there aren’t many teams that can afford his cap number. His cap number next is even larger if I’m not mistaken. So outside of the Raiders, who reportedly not interested, I assume that DJax would have to restructure for the Eagles to get anything close to the compensation they want. That’s where DJax does have some leverage.

          • RIP illa

            So what would you say to us getting an Asante type deal out of it? You know, just a 7th rounder.

            Similarities…Asante was running his mouth when DRC and Nnamdi were brought in, and assuming the worst. The Eagles let it play out for a year before finally pulling the trigger.

            Difference, It was reported that in the 1st year of the experiment with the 3 corners, that Detroit called up Howie and offered a 2nd round pick for Asante. Howie said no, either for sake of wanting it to work or wanting to get more compensation. Reasons aren’t exactly clear.

            Either way…a 7th!

          • aub32

            The big difference is that DRC, Asante, and #24 didn’t work. There was no point in us keeping him. I honestly don’t know how DJax and Kelly could have worked any better. Well maybe if Vick and Foles had thrown a couple of better balls. Yet with the return of Mac, and Foles being in his 2nd year in Kelly’s system there’s reason to believe that DJax could out perform even last year’s numbers. So getting a 7th would be beyond stupid in my opinion. Also, I don’t know how anything you asked plays into Jackson having leverage.

          • RIP illa

            No that question, wasn’t about his leverage. Just about how would you feel if the Eagles had to take a 7th for him, just cuz they seemingly want to get rid of him so badly. But if teams lnow that another team wants to cut bait with a player so badly, the trade usually works out to be for a 6th or 7th rounder. Or at least in recent history. You answered. And I pretty much agree. Hell, I don’t like the idea of only being able to get a 3rd.

          • RIP illa

            Already replied to you. Thanks for finally getting your reply out…3rd times a charm right??? Anyway I was incorrect in thinking that his signing bonus had not been fully paid out, so the “issue” would be negated and it all comes down to the “bolding a completely different statement” issue , or as I like to call it…my quote. Which in response to myself, it would take a pretty desperate and foolish team to take to give up pick(s) and take on the contract as it is currently set up. Whether or not they think he is worth what he is currently getting paid, or worth Decker money. Still not happy?

        • anon

          Who is going to eat $12m/yr next year on Djax, plus giving up picks in the deepest draft in modern history (or so everyone says). Eagles should have just kept their mouths shut until next year when they could have gotten real value.

          • cloisterwater

            I have no idea. I never said anything regarding other teams’ willingness to trade for Jackson.

        • RIP illa

          Sorry I didn’t make it clear enough that both issues tie together. If I take out the 1st issue part, will that make you happy?

      • Adam G

        Eagles don’t owe him 6 mil, there is a difference between cap number and money paid. He already got that money when he signed the contract. That 6 mil is the prorated salary cap hit for cutting or trading him. His salary that he is owed is 30 mil over next three years. If he signed a new contract today, the decker deal would be a good approximation, which is a huge pay cut compared to what he would make under his current contract.

        • RIP illa

          How do the Eagles not owe him his signing bonus, which was 10 mil, prorated over 2mil a year?

          Edit: It’s not a roster bonus. That would make sense to me, but I’ll defer.

          • Adam G

            It’s in his pocket already. It was a signing bonus.

          • RIP illa

            That’s the point. He didn’t get 10 mil upfront to be in his pocket. Instead it was spread out at 2mil a year over the next 5 years…Right? Isn’t that what it means to prorate? If not, then what is the extra 2mil he’s making on his contract, that is not his base salary, nor a workout bonus, nor a production incentive?
            He pick up 2mil, outside of his base salary in 2012 and 13.

          • Adam G

            No, signing bonuses are only prorated for Cap reasons. He was handed over 10 mil the minute he signed the contract. So it only counts for the cap, but its already in his pocket.

          • RIP illa

            OK got it.

          • GEAGLE

            I know for a fact Desean isn’t seeing any Eagles dollars til September, for what it’s worth…..doubt he has the discaplin to turn down a brand new deal with money in his hand NOW signing bonus

          • Adam G

            Oh I def agree with that. That’s why I think the claim he won’t restructure to facilitate a trade is a bluff.

          • DharmaBum

            And even come September, he only gets it in the form of a weekly game check. It’s not like they’re handing him $10.5M on the morning of the first game.

          • RIP illa

            I would be inclined to agree. But past history has shown, that he gave up money on his 2011 holdout, to make a point about his contract, while he was only making just south of 600k a year. Now whether or not he knew or was hoping that the team would remove the fines, could definitely have played into it.

          • RIP illa

            Not logical, but he could also weigh the risk of doing the “Rosenhaus thing” again, and get fronted money by his agent until he forces a release and signs another deal. I would think that a long, with being illogical, it would be highly unlikely. Seeing as how Drew leaked it out to the media that DJax owed. That’s not the kinda business you want put out on front street.

      • DharmaBum

        Maybe I’m missing something, but what is stopping us from just saying, “We’re keeping him”? He would HAVE to play. If he doesn’t, or if he makes it obvious that he’s not cooperating, or giving full effort, or attending all meeting, etc, then we would have some recourse under the CBA with which to keep from paying him. I’d say that would constitute some leverage on our part. I mean, what’s to stop us from keeping him and making him play it out?

        • Adam G

          I was saying that yesterday. If the Eagles take the stance that they will keep him worst case, they hold all the cards. Another commenter made the same point.

          • DharmaBum

            I also said that as part of that big post I made last night. We would have all the leverage. Sure, we’d have to pay him, but he’d also have to play.

          • RIP illa

            So holding all the cards is worth creating a negative, and potentially hostile environment, filled with distraction throughout the year?

        • RIP illa

          Why would we wanna risk keeping a “cancer”, as some have painted him, in the locker room and keep a ongoing distraction throughout the season? And other than the Holdout thing, I gave you 6 reason of counterpoints to your reasons of wanting the Eagles to keep him. Keeping him is more lose lose right now, than it is lose (Djax), win (Eagles). It’s to the point where both sides don’t talk to each other…That’s really bad. Next step flatout disaster.

          • DharmaBum

            I guess I’m talking about “in theory” that it would be possible. Plenty of things are used in negotiations that would seem to be unlikely, but all the Eagles have to do, is convince his camp that they might be willing to do it. Negotiating often uses leverage “threats” which in practical terms, would never happen. It’s like the “nuclear option” in this case.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, there are plenty of things possible, but based off what’s being reported and the way things seem to be heading, I don’t see how it’s likely. And yeah, that would most certainly be nuclear on the Eagles part. I wonder what would both sides do to repair the damage, if anything.

          • aub32

            Give DJax some new money that makes his deal more cap friendly. DJax will be happy. The Eagles will get a productive player who puts up another big season. Jackson is easier to trade next offseason after a 2nd consecutive pro bowl season and a lower cap number. Done and done.

          • Richard Colton

            Sounds good to me. We need the cap help next year, not this year. Is this do-able? Cliff? CLIFF??!!???

          • aub32

            Is it lose-lose? The last time the guy was upset, he still gave us almost a 1000 yards season. Players have to deal with non ideal situations all the time. Look at Jimmy Graham.

          • RIP illa

            Trust me I know, but the way people paint that situation, was that DJax sucked so bad that year and was one of the main reasons we did so bad. So I’m just taking it from their point of view. I’m also kinda astonished, that so many people hate on him and say all this ish about him, but then want him to stay on the team, for whatever reasons.

          • aub32

            Funny because as I recall it was the defense who failed to keep a single lead in the 4th quarter that led to the demise of that season. People are quick to flip a narrative to however it suits their personal feelings.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        He’s out of guarantees. The signing bonus proration is for the team’s ability to account for it without taking the hit in the year the contract is agreed to, so he’s already received the 10mil, the 6mil in proration is what would acclerate to this year’s cap if he’s traded. But it’s not owed.

        As for him playing ball for a trade, I, personally, don’t think it’s a simple decision. Really depends on how bad he wants to stick it to the Eagles. The market isn’t there, though, so I get the comparison to the Decker deal. He might get a little more, but it won’t be much. He has far more red flags than Decker does, too, which may make a team hesitant to make a significant commitment.

  • Scott J

    What’s interesting about these Jackson trade rumors is, Roseman is usually pretty stealth about his trades. They seem to happen quietly and quickly.

    • oreofestar

      Oh he will find his prey someone will cough up some nice high picks

      • cliff henny

        how’s the d-jax meltdown going?

        • oreofestar

          I realize his departure is inevitable and I just want nice picks

          • cliff henny

            bargaining stage…hope RIPs still in anger.

          • oreofestar

            Damn I want another 1st

          • OldDocRoss

            For a good while I was pretty keen on dating Jessica Alba but I quickly accepted what I wanted to happen was more than a little unlikely.

            Probably best you learn to do the same.

          • oreofestar

            Hell nah I am still holding out hope but I would hope to get a 2nd and another mid pick

          • RIP illa

            Jesus…LOL!

          • OldDocRoss

            Until they take out a restraining order they’re just playing hard to get, that’s what I always say*.

            *I don’t say this.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d like about 5 more 2nds. Can we get Sam Hinkie on the phones for the Eagles?

          • RIP illa

            Yup. But mostly at commenters who want to paint a F’d up picture of him, despite the info available, so they can ease their minds.
            If all is true, I still think Howie and Chip are skeevy individuals, that did him dirty and are putting an unwarranted stain on the organization. SO F them if so.
            And even if it’s 50/25/25 Djax, Chip, and Howie’s fault…The handling of this is so bad. So F all parties in that case!!!

          • cliff henny

            we’ll never know. I don’t mind people bashing jax on-field, there’s flaws that can be pointed out. some of the off-field, it’s half guess work and other half really has the stink of the dreaded R word

          • RIP illa

            Yeah man, but I hope we do find out what’s going on. I hope that the media has a bunch of follow up questions and won’t let it go until they get concrete answers or until someone slips up and let’s the cat out of the bag. To the last line…who knows, I’m definitely not ruling it out.

          • cliff henny

            forget about ever knowing. or, take jax’s side and reduce it from there. wont get crap out of the novakremlin

          • OldDocRoss

            I mostly think the off-field stuff is just people trying to rationalise a decision which makes little/no sense from a purely footballing perspective. So they look at things that we otherwise wouldn’t think were a huge deal (arguing with Bicknell, saying he’d like more guaranteed $s, spending money poorly, throwing up gang signs) and wonder if they’re a sign of something bigger.

            I can understand people wanting to do that but I’m not sure we’ll ever know the whole story. At least not until a lot of the people involved have long since retired and decided to write their autobiographies.

    • OldDocRoss

      They’ve done a good job of keeping it quite when we’ve been acquiring guys but have we been involved in trading any big names away since Howie took over?

      Every man and his dog knew Asante was done (and I still think we screwed the pooch only getting a 7th on that deal) and other than that we’re talking about the Winston Justices and Dion Lewis’s of the world who probably aren’t going to have too many journos rushing around to be the one break news of a trade.

      News got out about us looking to trade Graham and Curry before the deadline last season as well even though they didn’t end up having any takers.

      • Scott J

        Why would it be different? The same people are involved in talks no matter who called who.

        • OldDocRoss

          When you’re trading a guy away you might decide to get word out to stimulate interest, even if you’re not ‘officially’ shopping the guy.

          When you’re trading to acquire a guy there is zero incentive to letting people know.

          • Scott J

            I’m not sure I understand why you think creating a circus can help in any way. Why would Howie want to get word out through the media to the other GM’s when he can just call them? The only people who want the media involved are players and their agents. Or GM’s/owners who want to screw over other teams – like Banner.

          • OldDocRoss

            If you can let it be leaked that the Eagles “might be interested” in trading a guy without saying anything official you can spark interest without ever having to pick up the phone.

            It always puts you in a stronger position if negotiations start with a potential buyer phoning you than vice versa. You can say the original rumour was BS but every player has his price. Even if the buyer is 90% sure you’re full of it, you’re still in a better position than if you had to call other GMs and say “I would like to sell X, what will you give me for him?”.

            Obviously you don’t want it to get to the point where a circus is created, but calling other GMs won’t do anything to avoid that. Even up until 7-10 days ago the Eagles could’ve come out and said the whole thing was media fuelled crap. If they’d been actively shopping him that would be impossible.

          • Scott J

            Oh, now I understand. You think Howie is trying to save his AT&T minutes.

          • OldDocRoss

            No. Again.

            As a seller, you are always in a stronger position if negotiations are initiated by the buyer. If, as a seller you have to go to potential buyers to see if they are interested in buying you are in a weaker position. This isn’t debatable so much as a statement of widely accepted fact.

            One way to try to encourage buyers to get in touch while still retaining the ability to claim you aren’t a motivated seller is to have the story leak unofficially. This has the added bonus that if you get no decent offers you could just claim the original story was all just media driven BS.

            The fact that you took from my previous post that Howie was trying to cut his phone bill is just wilful stupidity on your part. Please stop being wilfully stupid.

          • Scott J

            Wilful stupidity? You spelled that wrong. It’s spelled willful. Notice the first two “L’s.

  • cloisterwater

    I know I’m immature, but Woody Johnson? That’s too funny.

    • cliff henny

      all fun and games till he pulls out his bank statement

    • borntosuffer

      Amazing that I never caught that given that my humor stopped developing in 7th grade. I’ll never be able to look at/say his name again with a straight face.

    • Scott J

      My father had a boss who’s name was Frosty Peters. I kid you not.

      • CJ

        that sounds like a personal problem.

  • cliff henny

    anyone see Boykin send b-ball pick out …http://instagram.com/p/l3KiE8sIMV/# ? check out Graham, he looks fit, light, definitely like OLB.

    • aub32

      That’s Curry dude.

      • cliff henny

        oh, looks thin!

      • anon

        Yeah i was going to say the same thing. Curry would be a good 3rd down speed rusher since that’s his thing. Wouldn’t be surprised if they were trying to make that move considering there’s not much there in terms of talent in the draft. But figured media would know if that was the case…

        • cliff henny

          they keep yanking that cat’s weight around. figure out what they want him to be and set him loose. he doesn’t look like DT anymore, that’s for sure

          • aub32

            Maybe, he lost the weight in the offseason and will put it back on around OTAs. Many players don’t walk around in the offseason at their playing weight.

          • cliff henny

            bulk up during off-season. a lot easier to add mass when allowing for extra couple lbs of fat to be put on, then trim the spare tire off and hold onto mass (as ex weightlifter, trust me on this). he’s lighter for a reason, adding quickness. maybe pure 3rd down DT, really abuse Gs with his quickness.

          • GEAGLE

            Right now, the eagles players are actually in the BULK UP Phase of the offseason program..Kelce talked about this when he signed less then a month ago(he couldn’t remember the fancy scientific name for it).,,

        • aub32

          I think Curry fits this team much more than Graham. Graham is short and the only thing he has going for him in terms of pass rush moves is the bull rush. I just don’t think that’s enough for an OLB to succeed.

      • OldDocRoss

        So you’re just assuming it’s not the #55 that’s caused the confusion, huh?

    • Richard Colton

      Barwin looks tiny. Too many organic meals.

      • OldDocRoss

        He just looks small ’cause he’s standing next to the colossus that is Brandon Boykin.

        • Kd711

          Herremans is doing the cross-arms-push-bicep-forward move cause Boykin is making him feel weak.

  • Weapon Y

    I wish I had media credentials to ask Chip Kelly questions on Wednesday. How about, “Why are you willing to release DeSean Jackson, and force your team to neglect a need at either wide receiver or multiple defensive positions in the draft?”

    • Richard Colton

      “I think Howie did a great job addressing the WR position in FA by locking up some of our own guys.”

      Follow up by you (I’m feeling generous) “What about Jackson?”

      “DeSean is an Eagle and he’s under contract”

      • JofreyRice

        The one Jackson superfan probably overstated the case by saying he’s the best WR in Eagles history. But he didn’t overstate it by much.

        Tommy MacDonald. Harold Carmichael. Mike Quick. I gotta put DJacc over Fred Barnett. Tough for me to rate a guy like Pete Retzlaff, way before my time. Same thing with McDonald, really. From my hazy memory, Quick just caught everything you threw near him. Again, didn’t see MacDonald play. But we’ll put Carmichael, McDonald and Quick all ahead of DJacc.

        So DJacc is either the #4 or #5 receiver in the franchises entire history. And they could be getting rid of him for almost nothing. I’m hoping if Chip addresses it, he drops the usual smart-ass tone and discusses it with some modicum of seriousness.

        • aub32

          You may be referring to me. Although in fairness, if you are referring to me, I pointed out how he is #4 right now all time. He’s still young though and could finish as the #1 WR in the team’s history if he averaged 80/1200/10 over the next 3 years. I don’t see that being much of a stretch in this offense.

          • JofreyRice

            I was thinking more of the Charles Kelson guy or whatever. He was all excited about Jackson. Had followed him since high school or something.

            Yeah, I don’t think it’s out of the question for him to be #1 all time, in terms of yardage, and all that, were he to finish out his career as an Eagle. And who’s to say his career would be over at 30?

          • aub32

            O ok. I still think DJax could be that guy in a few years. It would not surprise me at all to see his numbers eclipse 600 rec/ 10000 yds/ 90 TDs

          • oreofestar

            I think if Desean went to a place like NE he would be a 1500 yard guy even if he gets stuck in NY I think Desean could be a 70/1100/8 guy

          • aub32

            Agreed. The funny thing is that if he goes to the Jets they will have better starters than us at WR. DJax >>> Mac and Decker > Coop. Plus they have a higher pick in the draft and could possibly get a better WR than what we end up getting. Also, Hill wouldn’t be a terrible #4 option. Add in Cumberland, and the Jets would look like a pretty decent offense.

          • Adam G

            Except their QB and RB situation is no good.

          • aub32

            They can find a RB. The guy won’t be #25, but it isn’t hard to get a guy. Vick isn’t a bad QB in my opinion. I like Foles and would take him over Vick, but the guy still has to play some more games before I consider him in the top 10. Right now Vick and Foles are both in the 2nd third of QBs in the league, although Foles is closer to 12 while Vick is closer to 20.

          • Adam G

            They can find a RB, but they won’t. Maybe draft a guy. I am def not a Vick hater, I just don’t think he has much left at this point. I agree with your Foles assessment but the biggest difference is Marty Morningweg vs Chip Kelly.

          • aub32

            Yes, but I also don’t think Vick will have to do as much as Nick. Rex will find some way to field a good defense, and his schedule will be easier. We disagree on the RB thing. If fans here are so certain that we can find a WR, then I think they can find a RB, especially considering it’s an easier position to find a productive player for.

          • Adam G

            Oh they could. But they are rolling with Bilal Powell and Ivory, and probably a rookie. Jets actually have a harder schedule by win percentage by a sizable amount. I have no confidence in Marty. Even if they got DJax that offense still will not be good.

          • aub32

            People remember Marty poorly, but he had our offense putting up some really good numbers, even in 2011. Also, win percentage doesn’t mean much. They are in the AFC. So wins come quite a bit easier. I’d much rather face the AFCW than the NFCW.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Ryan is gonna run a ground and pound offense. He started backing away from MMs pass happy ways near the end of the year. Had they run the ball more last year Geno would have had a better year.

            Vick wouldn’t need to pass the ball more than 30x a game there. Foles should never pass the ball more than 30x here. The key with both is to have a strong running game. So if Jets get an RB that can stay healthy – offensively they will be in excellent shape (even with Geno).

          • OldDocRoss

            If we’re running an average of 60-70 plays a game, Foles probably should be passing more than 30 times.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Foles rarely passed for more than 30x a game last year. And when he did (Minn) it was disastrous. He’s not that dude. Not at all. You want to keep him to 30x a game or less to be successful – more than that and it’s not likely to work out well.

          • OldDocRoss

            He passed 30+ times in four games which, considering there were several occasions when he didn’t start and finish the game (Oakland, Dallas, NY, Chicago) and a few where we went run-crazy because we had a big lead is quite a lot.

            In a regular, close game I think 30 passes per game will/should be about par.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I wasn’t counting Giants game. He played most of the Dallas game and Raiders game – Chicago too if I remember correctly.

            33/31/34 are roughly 30x a game which is what I was talking about. 48x a game is NOT roughly 30x a game.

            Chicago he only had 21 attempts – but the score was so huge it didn’t matter. Kelly is a run first pass second type of guy which suits Foles skill sets. He isn’t the dude you want passing 40/50x a game.

          • OldDocRoss

            I don’t think you want *any* QB passing 40-50 times a game because it probably means you’re losing by a bunch. Or that your coach is Andy Reid.

            Neither is desirable.

            It’s like when people say “when running back X has over 30 carries his team never loses!”. Cause and effect have been somewhat muddled.

          • aub32

            I can’t stand those useless cliché stats that are always given without context.

          • aub32

            In fairness to Foles, there are very few QBs who should pass more than 30x a game. So that shouldn’t really be seen as a negative.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I wasn’t saying it was a negative. I’ve said the EXACT same thing about M. Vick. While I’m no fan of Foles – too many people view the hallmark of a “great” pocket passing QB is one who can pass pass pass the ball all of the time. And those who can’t instantly get marginalized.

            The initial comment was simply Jets have potential to have a good offense with Geno or Vick if they pound the rock and success for Foles requires a similar formula so that makes the two offenses a wash.

          • aub32

            I have to disagree as Foles will likely be sitting out most of the 4th quarter due to us having a 20+ point lead in almost every game.

          • OldDocRoss

            I whole heartedly endorse this plan.

          • aub32

            The best part is Barkley will get plenty of garbage snaps against defenses that have clearly given up boosting his value to Carson Palmer like trade potential. (1st and conditional 2nd that can become a 1st)

          • oreofestar

            They would beat us at wr but remember if they get DJAX they will not go wr in the first while we probably will plus we beat them at QB. RB. OL and TE but they would yes be better at WR

          • aub32

            They wouldn’t go WR in the first, but I am not banking on whomever we get to be some stud. I don’t even know if we will go WR in the first. Plus there are many times when WRs in the 2nd and 3rd surpass the 1st round picks. I would definitely take our O line and RB. So it’s not like I am saying our offense will stink. I just thinks it’s funny the way fans and the media see this team as being stacked at WR and the Jets having major needs there. One player and it’s the complete turn around.

          • oreofestar

            I agree totally with everything you said

          • cliff henny

            this is where fans are banking on Kelly vs Marty.

          • aub32

            I think it’s funny how after only one year people think Kelly is the fairy god mother of coaches who can make any player good. I like Chip. I really like Chip, but make no mistake. Chip came into an offense with talent. He got a 1300 yard rusher to put up 1600 yards, but hell Reid could have done that if he just would have given Shady the ball. Remember Shady had 20 TDs without chip. Chip didn’t make DJax. He gave him more options, but DJax was already a 1000+ yard WR before Chip got here. The only argument is Cooper. However, I saw Coop as a good player before this year. I was pounding the table last offseason saying he would be on before Avant. Again I am not saying our offense will be crap, but let’s not start thinking can turn busts into beasts with a simple blow of his whistle.

          • RIP illa

            Maybe not completely on topic, but their needs are
            Corner, RB, TE, S, and WR (even with Djax). They have the picks and the draft has the depth for them to go
            1) TE
            2) S or CB
            3) WR
            4) CB or S
            5) RB
            Not saying that it will play out like that, just making an example. I think they could get all their quality needs fulfilled. Also took away a 3rd, for argument sake and Djax trade.

          • aub32

            If they do go TE in the 1st, let’s say they get Ebron. Let’s say the 3rd round pick turns out as a decent #3. I would absolutely in that case take their pass catchers over our pass catchers, no matter who we drafted in the 1st. (I am assuming we don’t get Watkins or Evans)

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. He was a clown. Look, Eagles management has earned some goodwill. They took what looked like a multi-year rebuild and made a contender. Just don’t see how you can lose the team’s best WR and put a positive spin on it.

        • Kev_H

          Harold Jackson played some great WR in his 4 years as an Eagle. Led the league in yards twice and receptions once. It was 14 games seasons back then and different rules/passing stats, but Harold and DeSean are very similar players beyond the same last name and almost identical playing size.

      • Weapon Y

        “Let’s be real, Chip. DJax’s worst year was better than either Cooper or Maclin’s best. Do you really expect me to believe Cooper and Maclin can take on the Seattle secondary on the outside by themselves? If your answer is that you’re going to draft a guy, how can you possibly get the starting caliber players you lack on your below-average defense?”

        • aub32

          That’s why I think it’s so funny when fans talk about how Jackson had a “down” year in 2011.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Wasn’t the fact that he had a “down” year, but rather his execution. You could clearly see that he was just going through the motions. That in itself is a bit more alarming than just a down year.

          • aub32

            I think the bigger factor is how he played after getting paid. He half assed because as a 2nd round pick he had never received a big payday. I don’t know how many times I have made this point. The guy wanted to get paid. However, even then he’s been our best WR.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          And Seatlle has problems with the little guys. NOT the big ones. Little speedy guys stay giving them fits.

  • JofreyRice

    Santonio Holmes? The guy that was traded because he had been arrested 4x? Yeah, that’s a fair comparison.

    • cloisterwater

      He was also coming off of a 1400 yard season and a SB winning catch. I think it’s a fine comparison.

      • JofreyRice

        DJacc is coming off a 1330 yard season, and has never been arrested. Never even heard of the guy getting a speeding ticket. It’s totally apples to oranges.

        • cloisterwater

          See OldDocRoss’s post above this. Guess we’ll have to wait and see what a team is willing to give for Jackson. I’d be willing to bet it’s no more than a 3rd or later.

        • aub32

          He did get pulled over once while on his way to a charity event, when he was assumed to be a thus because of his attire. Even though his attire was because he was going to go play with a bunch of kids, but still he should definitely be red flagged on account you never know when he might be pulled over on his way to practice.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            lol.

            I can’t. I just CAN’T!

        • GEAGLE

          It’s pretty ridiculous when you consider this isn’t a kid who has been gang banging since the age of 12…his father was the Joe Jackson of football dads..Deseans family has always been very hands on, and his big brother really is hands on in his life(wouldn’t you if Desean was your meal ticket lol)….Desean had been groomed to be an NFL player! I doubt he Is the master criminal people are speculating him to be

          • GEAGLE

            Yesterday Desean was taking under privileged kids raised by hard working single mothers shopping….and he didn’t do it for some TV reality show…

          • aub32

            I’m thinking you’re joking, but it wouldn’t be anything close to fair to call him a meal ticket. The guy did make it the pros himself. He didn’t have the drive.

          • GEAGLE

            How Is Desean not his older brothers meal ticket?

          • aub32

            That guy was an adult while DJax was still in grade school. How was he eating way back then. When people make a lot of money they help their family out. That doesn’t make the successful family a meal ticket.

    • OldDocRoss

      Sadly I think a lot of teams would be as/more concerned by D-Jax saying he was ‘distracted’ in 2011 than they would be about signing a guy with a history of having domestic abuse cases brought against him.

      Which speaks to some pretty effed up thinking obviously, but I think what we get will end up being much closer to Santonio than Harvin levels of compensation.

      • JofreyRice

        Undoubtedly they aren’t getting shit back for him at this point. But I think that speaks partly to how bungled this whole thing has been. Hard to know for sure, but right now it’s a buyers market if you’re looking for an undersized pro bowl receiver with 4.3 speed and a knack for big plays.

        • Brian

          How has it been bungled?

          • JofreyRice

            having the situation become public to the point where essentially every NFL team knows the Eagles are either trading or releasing him. Minimizes the compensation you can hope to expect in return.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think it would’ve come out sooner or later. It’s not like they called a press conference to say, “hey, we’re looking for the best compensation for DeSean. Any takers out there?” I do agree that maybe they should’ve squashed/hushed it, by saying something like “we value DeSean and are looking forward to our future with him”. Something like that doesn’t necessarily join you at the hip to him, but shows a public persona that you value him if you did go shopping him.

          • Brian

            They know it anyway. As soon as the first call was made to/from the Eagles, the entire league knew DeSean was available.

          • Kev_H

            I think that’s how you create a market. You can only low-ball/wait for his release if you are the only team interested in him. With his contract and salary, it is a tough deal for any team to make. If they get anything for him, they have done well. They obviously decided to not bring him back a while ago. My opinion is that it is primarily a football decision with a little money involved too. If he earned $2.5 million a year, they could probably use him effectively for how Kelly wants to operate- which is probably how they will use Sproles. But the role they see him playing in Kelly’s offense isn’t worth what he is owed.

          • aub32

            What??? Are you suggesting that they would use DJax like they are planning to use Sproles? Did you watch last season? Why would they not use DJax like they used DJax? If you are suggesting that Sproles can fill the DJax role, What??? Did you watch last season. Sproles is a good players, but he isn’t a top 10 WR in the league. He’s not even a starter at his own position. I don’t get how you are saying that DJax doesn’t fit this offense and that getting rid of him makes football sense. He put up top 10 numbers.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          But all he does is make big plays?…lol.

  • GEAGLE

    Rapport just said, spotlight is on two teams, clearly the raiders and jets, like I thought. If two teams are openly known, there will be at the very least 1 more with interest who is holding their cards close to the vest…now right now, the jets and Raiders are publically saying they don’t want to give up picks, but that’s what anyone with a Brain would say publically right now…
    ..
    He also says right now teams are investigating why we are trading Desean, so if he is a master criminal, instead of a common NFL jackass, it will most likely come out(but I don’t expect that to be the case)

    • borntosuffer

      I hope the ghost of Al Davis is giving him personnel guidance.

      • GEAGLE

        His son is the owner lol…spawned from Al Davis’s crusty nut sack…I like our chances lol

    • Jarrod

      Weren’t they saying the same thing about Sproles, then a day later were saying ‘multiple teams interested, someone will have to give up a pick’?

  • borntosuffer

    I don’t understand why people assume that Chip will need to draft a receiver to replace Jackson’s production. Here is what I have seen regarding the Wailing Masses vs. Chip. Chip’s offense won’t work in the NFL – Chip 1 – WM 0. Chip needs a very mobile/running QB to run his offense – Chip 2 – WM 0. LeSean McCoy won’t be able to run if Foles is QB. Chip 3 – WM 0. Chip’s got a plan – with or without Djax. So, what are the odds Chip goes 4-0 vs. the Wailing Masses? I wouldn’t bet against him.

    • OldDocRoss

      It’s a reasonable point, and I think the offense in 2014 would still be very good without Jax, but I can’t see how it wouldn’t be even better *with* him, so….

      • cliff henny

        if I had 1 question for Kelly/Howie, it’d be very simple…why now?

        • OldDocRoss

          Indeed. It would make a ton more sense 12 months from now at which point you know where Maclin is, whether Cooper was a one-hit wonder, whether rumour of Sproles’ decline are overstated, if Benn’s healthy, if RookieTBC is any good etc etc.

          Even if we’re saying DeSean would be worth nothing on the open market a year from now I’d still say it’s worth sacrificing a 3rd rounder to have the reassurance of knowing the answer to some/all of those.

          • cliff henny

            hope Sheil’s like a 5 yr old, after every Howie/Kelly dodge, he stands up and asks ‘why?’ till we get the real answer, which is as always…money.

          • OldDocRoss

            I think best we’ll get is some form of “DeSean’s still an Eagle as far as I know” or “have we traded him? You guys obviously know more than me”.

            And then if pushed on whether we’re actively looking to trade him we’ll get something sarcastic/self-depreciating about Chip doing anything ‘actively’ or the concept of actively trading people in general.

        • Kev_H

          I think this has been in the works long before now looking back. They locked up Cooper, tried to lock up Maclin for a few years and he has stated he expects to be extended before the season ends, acquired Sproles and locked him up for a few years…will likely pick a WR or two if they stick with BPA draft philosophy and have likely been planning for that since last year. Everything is in place, Jackson is gone, and it’s up to Howie to see what he can get for him, which will be tough because Jackson is under contract for a lot more than teams are willing to pay him.

          • tbwhite

            exactly, and I bet all along the Jets were the preferred trading partner given their cap space to take on his salary, and their desperate need for a playmaker. Furthermore, I’ll double down and say that Marty called up his old media buddies and gave them the story to create the exact mess/controversy were in now, in order to drive down the price on DeSean. So, when we get crap back in return for DeSean I’m blaming it on the media whores(I’m not including Sheil and Tim in that group), who sold our team out for a story.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, I get all that..still doesn’t mean you cant do all that with Jax. still doesn’t explain ‘why now’. plus, if they decided to move on from jax at signing of Mac/Cooper, cant include Sproles as part of the reason.
            .
            just tell me it clears 18m over 2 season and think Kelly’s offense can moneyball jax’s production. think it’s flawed, but least it’s a reason as to the now part.

          • aub32

            Exactly, this doesn’t fit the scheme argument is completely off base and makes no sense when one looks at the evidence.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Hahaha, I was thinking moneyball too. If you really think about it, Kev’s point lends to the moneyball logic. He just didn’t include the 18M in savings.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s exactly where I stand. I’d rather have him, than not have him. But if not, I’m not gonna cry about it, but I want something in return. That said, if they release him the anty goes up 10 fold on the pressure of producing without him next year.

        There are some people that are clearly linking themselves solely with the player, taking it personally and therefore going overboard to make DJax sound like he’s a 1st ticket HOF’r.

        • aub32

          He’s not a HOFer but definitely could have his Jersey retired if he continues to put up the numbers he’s averaged. Right now he’s on pace to hold most of the franchise career records in just 3 more seasons. So there’s definitely reason why some fans want this guy to stay. Also, losing him means entering the season without a guy who has ever had a 1000 yard receiving year. I don’t know how people can simply glance over the fact Mac was never a #1 guy before he got hurt and now he’s coming off of a major injury. So yes, there is definitely reason for concern.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Those are not the people that I’m referencing. I have concerns myself. But some are too quick to judge against Kelly in favor of DeSean simply to come to DeSean’s aid because he’s under attack, and in turn make him out to be much more than he is.

    • CJ

      Your comment is based on the assumption that the Eagles 1) wouldn’t have been planning to draft a WR even with Jackson staying and 2) would be willing to go so far to prove that they’re smarter than everyone else so as to completely neglect in the draft what is commonly referred to as the deepest and strongest position in this year’s draft, and potentially the deepest at the position in recent history.

      Which, I have to say I disagree completely on both points. But yeah, other than that you’re totally spot on…..

      • borntosuffer

        Id’ argue that I’m not making any assumptions. Maybe Chip feels that Maclin, Sproles, Ertz’s progression and a receiver that blocks better than DeSean offsets his loss. I don’t know what he is thinking.. But, I definitely wouldn’t assume that Chip believes he is going to draft a receiver that replaces DeSean’s production. Personally, I’d still rather have DeSean and his production than not. But, Chip has pleasantly surprised me before.

    • Richard Colton

      Good point. I’m willing to see how this plays out and wait for the other shoe to drop. Still reeks of Reid-like arrogance. And anyway even if the replacement for Djax is on the roster in Maclin/Sproles, one is 31 and the other is on a 1 year deal. So what’s the long game?

      • Kev_H

        So how do you think DeSean would fare in a playoff game against Seattle? That’s what Chip’s thinking about. He didn’t seem to value what Jackson brings coming into last year, gave it a chance, and still doesn’t value it. You can’t really expect a coach to change his philosophy around one guy he inherits who likely won’t be contributing much in the NFL in 3 years. He’s going to want to sink or swim with his guys.

        • Richard Colton

          I suppose he thinks he’s earned that much. Just aren’t a lot of guys around that can give you 80/1300 with that kind of speed. If he really wasn’t right for Chip’s offense, then why was he so productive in it?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Maybe it does come down to some sort of misconduct. I just don’t know. But I know from my management experience that I’d inherit guys, give them the opportunity and then make decisions after seeing them operate in my system. I’ve let some people go despite posting good numbers, simply because they were “trouble makers” that would buck the system.

        • aub32

          DJax still gives you more than Copp or Mac against Seattle. You seem to forget how he was lined up all over the field. What’s stopping DJax from giving 1200 yds over the next 3 years. That’s likely way more than you would get from any rookie, Mac, or Coop.

      • Bdawkbdawk

        Reid-like arrogance? Aside from maaayyybe Dungy, I don’t know of many humble football coaches/execs. And I’m not saying that there is a causal relationship, but the most arrogant coaches seem to also be the best coaches.

        • Richard Colton

          I don’t see it that way. Couldn’t imagine this from a Payton, Carroll, or Ryan. Belicheck never made any pretense to hide it. With Andy it was rolled up like a corn-dog in a layer of smugness and fake humility.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            You can’t imagine these coaches botching a trade or attempting to trade a very good player over money/unknown character issues OR you can’t imagine them making unconventional football or personal decisions that seem nonsensical to informed fans because the coaches/execs think they are smarter than said fans.
            Anyway you stack this, I just don’t see it. Coaches do these things with regularity-all fans tend to care about is whether these decisions work out or not. Reid and his insistence on the trenches and unbalanced pass/run was years ahead of the rest of the league and save for some bad-luck, turned the Eagles into a perennial contender. Eagles fans scarfed down that corn-dog for years after Reid chose McNabb over Williams.

      • guest

        What was the long game with DeSean? Small speed guys dont tend to last very long. Steve Smith is the exception, but that dude is as tough as they come…hundreds of times tougher than DeSean.

        The best argument I’ve heard as to why we shouldn’t worry about DeSean being gone is by looking at DeSean’s numbers with Vick and with Foles. Based on those, its best for DeSean and the Eagles for him to go to the Jets

        • Richard Colton

          He’s 27. He’s been in the league since ’08. He’s not injury prone. Seriously, none of these arguments are making me feel better about the prospect of dumping him.

    • aub32

      No one is saying Chip’s offense will suck. The detractors are saying the offense will not be as good. When you replace a top 10 WR with nobody, then it’s not a huge stretch to say that offense will take a step back.

  • GEAGLE

    At this Moment I’m listening to raiders coach talking about how they are in clear WIN NOW mode now that they have the great Matt Shaub lol….can’t wait to watch Desean lose his mind playing with Swabb!

    • oreofestar

      Matt Schaub is not bad to be honest he had a rough season last year and then just quit but he has shown he can be a solid starter in this league I am still point the Raiders give us a 2nd and a 4th for Desean

    • cliff henny

      send 2nd and 4th in this yr’s draft and let’s move on. like Jax, world is not going to end if he’s not on eagles next yr.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Hell I’d be happy with just the 2nd at this point, preferably from the Raiders of course. I’m just not digging on this possibility of an outright release of him at $6M. While this may be similar to Steve Smith as many media outlets & sounds like even NFL execs “hope”, it’s actually quite different.

        • Adam G

          Just doesn’t seem like a Howie move to get nothing and cut him. Figure its at least worth a low round pick, at the very worst, to basically have exclusive rights to negotiate with him.

          • oreofestar

            If it were not for money we would be talking 1st and 2nds

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Maybe. But I think we over value the field production, while many others teams are hard nosed in their preferences of WR measurables. Some teams just don’t like little burners regardless of the production. Maybe they’ve got a limp noodle armed QB and run a short passing attack and prefer a bigger/physical WR. Regardless he’s more valuable to us as a known commodity than to other teams with different schemes and as an unknown commodity. I still think it would be unlikely to get a 1st for him even if the money was lower.

          • aub32

            You’re right that every team wouldn’t want or need him, but I doubt there wouldn’t be 3 or 4 teams willing to give up a high round pick if the money were right. Look at the Pats. When is the last time they hit on a WR in the draft. hey would be much better off using a 1st to get DJax. The Colts would have been much better off trading for DJax than Richardson. Perhaps the Seahawks had this trade been discussed last year. It really only takes one team to value a player and trade a high pick for him.

    • Weapon Y

      Now that’s a delusional coach

      • GEAGLE

        Lol they restructured Shwabbs contract so they only have to pay him 15-20mil over the next two years lol…sounds worth it :)

        • Weapon Y

          Not feeling good about Chip right now, but he’s still a lot better than that guy.

        • oreofestar

          I actually think the Schaub move was great but you said it yourself these Gms and Coaches are trying to keep their jobs and do not have time to wait for Bridgewater or someone to develop which works in our favor

  • Jarrod

    You heard it here first: Eagles looking to dump DeSean Jackson to allow for Dion Jordan and Mike Wallace trade with Dolphins

    Actually I think that would cost Miami an extra $18mm on their cap so not likely but I would enjoy that trade… now feel free to rip it apart

  • Leegles

    I love DeSean — he’s been an exciting player here — but if saving $10 million on him means a better defense in the long run and the offense can still put up 30 a game, things should be OK.

    • oreofestar

      you do not save 10mil because of 6mil in dead just thought I woud throw that out there

      • Adam G

        That 6 has to be coming off the cap at some point, so yeah, we are saving 10 mil a season by not having him.

        • cliff henny

          saving 6m this yr, 12m next, or chop it up june 1st style, and save 10m this year and 8m next…either why, it comes to 18m over 2yrs savings.

      • DharmaBum

        Actually, we do save 10.5M. The cap number would have been 12.5M, which is the 10.5M of his salary, plus 2M of the prorated bonus, which would have been spread over the next three years….hence the accelerated charge of 6M. We will NEVER escape that 6M. It will be charged to us, whether all at once, or over the next three years. What we will escape is the 10.5M that we’d pay in each of the next three seasons. So, while I know what you mean, the fact is that we will be saving 30M over the next three years.

        • oreofestar

          my assumption was they would just take the hit now since they are not using the money

          • DharmaBum

            Well yeah, it’s kind of a double-edged sword.

    • Token

      Wait, you think they will use that extra money? Come on, you are smarter than that.

      • Adam G

        Not this year, but they will use it. Big misconception they didn’t spend up to the cap last year. They were right up on it.

        • Token
          • Adam G

            They spent more than the cap, but not their whole rollover. I really don’t think this a situation where Luries is trying to squeeze money.

          • Token

            You can ignore the facts if its convenient. But they had between 15-20 million in cap space all last season.

          • Jarrod

            You’re right, last year was the first year leftover cap space could be rolled over. They couldn’t have any rollover the year before. This year they are tight against the cap but with the rollover from last year they could still spend $17mm

    • aub32

      How is saving 10M translating into a better defense? There’s no one out there left that would cost that much money. At this point teams are signing guys to one year prove it deals or the league minimum. So where is this 10M that you want to save going.

      • Leegles

        Maybe the money would go to re-signing Boykin, Kendricks, Cox? Foles, too, on the other side of the ball. In general, I don’t know why they’d really get rid of DeSean, and I don’t pretend to be a freakin salary-capologist. (My fantasy teams are always fine but I’m no GM in waiting.) They must not value DeSean’s play at $10M per year. There might be something else going on no one knows about, too. Otherwise, to the long-time fan’s eye, #10 looks like a special player, an important piece of the offensive puzzle with game-changing abilities. If Chip thinks they’ll be better off without him, he’s probably right. Since Chip seems to know how to make an offense move.

  • DharmaBum

    I’m not sure if I’m missing some aspect of things, but what is to stop us from just keeping him and telling him he has to play? He’d have no choice, and we’d have all the leverage, aside from the fact that we’d have to, ya know, pay him $10.5M. And even that would only be on a weekly basis. Any push-back from him, be it in the form of disruptive behavior, missing meetings, or the like, would certainly give us recourse under the CBA, to recoup money, or not pay him his weekly game check. If that push-back included tanking in any obvious way…I mean, wow, talk about destroying himself in the eyes of the rest of the league. Nah, he’d HAVE to play, and play hard, which would at least give us value for the money we’re paying him. If anyone knows something that makes this an unworkable option — aside from the “awkward factor” — then, by all means, hold forth…

    • Scott J

      Do you know why the Eagles are a better organization than the Raiders, Redskins, or Bengals? It’s because they’re not a bunch of childish, vindictive people who would purposely ruin a players career. What do think the other players would think of the Eagles if they treated Jackson like you want them to?

      • DharmaBum

        Trust me, I know what you’re saying. I’m not saying I’d want them to ACTUALLY make him stay. My point is that, the threat of making him play could be used as a negotiating tool. Plenty of negotiations, be it in sports or business, include “threats” that, in practical terms, wouldn’t be something that either side would want, but that are floated for leverage. Call it the “nuclear option”.

        • Scott J

          Like I said, I don’t think “threats” or “nuclear options” are the way the Eagles do business.

          • DharmaBum

            I agree, but I’m not suggesting that they stand at the podium at the owners meetings and shout that threat for all to hear. Publicly making threats, and quietly asserting leverage across a negotiating table, in private, are two different things. Things go on all the time in negotiating sessions that never see the light of day. At the end of the day, you’d be surprised what gets forgiven and forgotten under the premise that “it was savvy business tactics”.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I don’t think it’s a threat to DeSean. Outside of being a bad soldier & getting docked/fined, etc, he’s gonna get paid off he stays. He’s not willing to renegotiate his deal as it currently stands mainly to hit the open market & pick his employer. Problem is, that may backfire on him because he’s much cheaper on the open market than he is right now or via a rework on his deal.

    • JosephR2225

      The thing is they never needed threats or leverage. They could have squashed the trade talks weeks ago and he still would have had to play.
      If they move him, it’s because they want him gone, and they believe they are better off without him.

      • DharmaBum

        I’m not saying they handled this well….they obviously didn’t.

    • Kev_H

      Because not wanting him back is primarily a football decision. Coaches don’t think he gives them the best chance to win the Super Bowl.

      • Joe L

        Doesn’t seem like it’s primarily a football decision, considering he just had the best year of his career.

      • DharmaBum

        But, they might think he gives them the best assurance of staying competitive this year, while we groom the 1-2 WRs we draft this year. Next year? I’m all for just cutting him loose, once our young WRs have a year in the system.

        • Kev_H

          I agree. From my spot on the couch and in the bleachers, I’d like continuity here, but I’m betting Chip feels like he has to scheme around his limitations and that he is letting plays on the field. We just see the results, not the what they meant to do or what could have been.

          For example, looking at All-22′s it looks like the screen options are huge in their offense and going into the season I thought Jackson would flourish in that space. I don’t have stats or data, but it seemed like he wasn’t much of a factor in that area. Maybe Chip thinks its because defenses know Jackson will be the one getting the ball and not the other two bigger guys out there. So if a lot of what Kelly wants to do is predicated on the outside screen option, and success with the outside screen is predicated on versatility of the options, then a little guy like Jackson doesn’t fill the bill as a full-time, outside receiver, even though he’s being paid as one.

    • oreofestar

      This is dumb I am sorry but if the player is angry and the FO does not want him you are not going to drag him along you cut your losses add get compensation if it is that bad my hope is it is now that bad I mean DJAX is a gamechanger

      • DharmaBum

        My point is contingent upon facing the possibility of us NOT getting any compensation. Basically, I am against cutting him loose for nothing…under any circumstances.

        • oreofestar

          I do not think we need to worry we won’t cut him, there are too many teams interested but they are going to try and wait for us to release him but no way he does he will play chicken and wait for someone to jump

    • Anon

      It isn’t about leverage or money. The birds don’t want him, period.

      Chip doesn’t want players he has to motivate to go to work, and that work well with their teammates. At worst, they suspect some criminal activity, potentially Jaccpot Records (spelled with a cc because according to Wikipedia ck stands for Crip killer, so they use cc) is a front to launder money for the crime syndicate. Nothing they can prove, but enough that you don’t want it in your locker room any more.

      Whatever it is, it isn’t about “controlling” him, it about maximizing the return they can get when they dump him. Also, there will never be a clear explanation of why they cut bait, they will just ” move on and put it behind them.”

    • DharmaBum

      You guys are all missing my point. I’m not suggesting we actually keep him, merely that we use the possibility to leverage him to help facilitate a trade. I will NOT give him up for no compensation.

  • DharmaBum

    http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/5567/one-last-time-jackson-not-a-fit-for-panthers

    Wow, report says Panthers don’t want him, even if he’s released, lol

    • oreofestar

      They have no money and they hate good wrs

      • Joe L

        Yea, the money part. So much cash tied up in that defensive line.

        • oreofestar

          Yep they have 2 defensive lineman making almost as much as our whole defense lol

          • Joe L

            Plus they spent their first two picks on defensive tackles last year.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah I remember last year when they took Short and me and my buddy (Panthers fan) were screaming when they passed on Allen who I swore they’d pick

          • Joe L

            Short looks like he’s going to be a monster too though.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah they picked Star though they shouldn’t have done it

        • Adam G

          Don’t forget how much money they have tied up in average RBs, which has now become the cheapest position in the NFL. Have almost 30 mil in dead money if they cut the two rbs.

          • oreofestar

            My thought is they are clearing for Cam who deserves to be paid 16mil a season and they went and put all their money on the Defense and now they have MAJOR HOLES at LT and WR

      • RIP illa

        hilarious!

      • DharmaBum

        I know, it’s kind of baffling. Maybe, like I mentioned in my other post, this is THEIR ‘nuclear option’, being used as leverage to convince us they’ll never trade for him, thus bringing us one step closer to losing hope, throwing up our hands, and just releasing him.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I think any & all of the teams interested would be, and are playing that tactic. Why would they “want” to give up a draft pick & pay him $10.5M? They could most likely get him on the open market lower if they’d guarantee more up front.

          • Adam G

            Which is the difference between him and Sproles.

          • aub32

            Talent and youth are the difference between him and Sproles.

    • Andy124

      Cam is so good he doesn’t need receivers. I expect to see a lot of 10-linemen and Cam formations from them next. Mostly quarterback draws and sweeps with the occasional pass from Cam to Cam. Gonna revolutionize football.

      • oreofestar

        Yeah that would require a left tackle they don’t have that either expect alot of 7 personnel…literally

      • aub32

        Then they must be installing a rocket booster in his ankle.

        • Andy124

          I assumed they’d use the same model they put in Celek’s helmet.

    • OldDocRoss

      They’ve got McNutt. They’re set.

      • oreofestar

        I think we should just trade Damarius Johnson there for a 2nd

      • DharmaBum

        Ding ding ding! You sir, are the winner! I stand corrected!

    • Token

      I think NFL teams dont value Desean as much as fans do.

      • aub32

        I don’t think it’s that. His cap number is huge, and most teams have already blown their load on FA. How many teams can afford to absorb his cap number. This is where DJax has leverage.

        • Token

          Its just tough. Theres teams with space, but many of them are building teams like the Browns or Raiders. Many prolly dont want to build teams with guys like DeSean. Hes a more interesting option for a teams thats contending right now with a established base. . But many of those teams dont have the space.

          If he gets cut hed prolly just go to the highest bidder. Or if the Raiders paid him anything close to other offers im sure hed like to stay in Cali. But I just dont think the market wants Jackson as much as fans think they do. If hes cut im really curious to see what his new deal would be.

      • Maggie

        Exactly.

  • oreofestar

    I still think there is an outside shot that 1. we get compensation of a 2nd+ or 2. Desean is an Eagle next year

    • cliff henny

      only get comp picks if FA. trading or cutting, goes out the window. and jax is gone, divorce papers are written just trying to figure out compensation

      • Joe L

        I don’t think he meant comp picks. Just compensation, as if saying he won’t be released, someone will trade for him.

        • oreofestar

          yep

        • cliff henny

          oh, ok….sorry oreofe. yeah, jax isn’t getting cut. no one outside an idiot like jets owner is going to publicly say they have desire. just creates unnecessary waves, and then PR headache if don’t land Jax. think Carolina fans aren’t beating every drum in the state to upgrade WR? they are.

      • oreofestar

        Yeah, I can not wait to see Chip gets molested by reporters he can’t escape it 90% of the hour will be about DJAX nobody cares about your scheme or Jenkins or the draft right now all reporters wanna know about it DJAX

    • DharmaBum

      If there comes a point where it’s between cutting him for no compensation, and keeping him and making him play…I say we keep him.

      • oreofestar

        It depends if Desean truly WANTS OUT then I say get rid of him but if is just a spat where he is a little pissed but no becoming a crazy distraction and no team will trade then I would keep him anyway

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      With as poorly as this is handled, and now latest reports showing jets as the only suitor, I’ll be surprised if we get more than a 5th. I sincerely hope I’m dead wrong.

      • Maggie

        Why woudl any team give up more than a 5th? DeSean is not even rated in the top 15 WRs in the league.

    • aub32

      My bet is for the latter. All of these recanted reports are making me think this was nothing from the beginning and the Eagles just let it continue so that they could find out what other teams are willing to part with.

  • oreofestar

    That Raiders 2nd looks like the highest we will get out of this, no way the Jets give up anything higher because if they did we would have traded him already

    • cliff henny

      no rush. if anything, longer they wait less hysteria.

  • Jarrod

    On a completely different note, I love this John Urschel guy! (Disclaimer: PSU Fan)

    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/john-urschels-diary-road-nfl-draft-22986972?singlePage=true

    Really would like to see him as an Eagle with a late round pick or UDFA.

  • oreofestar

    Am I the only one who thinks there is a shot Desean comes back

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Yup.