DeSean Update: Seahawks, Raiders Interested?

DeSean Jackson

ORLANDO, Fla. – If you’re sick of the daily DeSean Jackson updates, we completely understand.

But this is obviously a big story, and so we’re going to continue to track new information and try to make sense of what exactly is going on.


Coaches, general managers and owners kicked off meetings here this morning at The Ritz Carlton (normally they don't let people like me and Tim in places like this). The Eagles' contingent of Chip Kelly, Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie are all in the building, but none have stopped to chat (other than a quick greeting).

That could change this afternoon for Roseman and Lurie, although nothing is scheduled. Kelly is expected to talk at the NFC coaches' breakfast on Wednesday morning.

Meanwhile, potential Jackson suitors continue to get mentioned (and shot down) on a daily basis.

The latest? Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk offered this:

The latest tidbits from Orlando is that the 49ers are very interested, despite an on-the-record denial — and that the Seahawks, while having no interest if the price tag is at or close to $10.5 million for 2014, would be interested at a significantly lower cost.

The Raiders, meanwhile, are said to have interest, but only if Jackson is cut - per an NFL Network report.

Of course, there are going to be some smokescreens here. Teams have nothing to gain by publicly expressing their interest in Jackson (although, apparently, no one told the Jets that). And teams also benefit from suggesting that the Eagles could cut Jackson. They can then negotiate with him on the open market and keep their draft picks.

The reasons why teams might be hesitant to trade for Jackson are simple. He carries a $10.75 million cap hit for next year. Teams would have to give up a draft pick. And perhaps the biggest factor of all: They would have to ask themselves why the Eagles seem willing to part with him for pennies on the dollar.

Having said all that, he's still a 27-year-old receiver coming off a fantastic season, and Jackson is one of the best vertical threats in the league. The guess here is that if the Eagles are hell-bent on moving on from him, they'll find a trade partner.

Stay tuned.

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  • C-Dub

    Do the Jets have anyone trade-worthy on defense for D-Jax?

    • jcwhy

      D. milliner?

      • ceedubya9

        No thanks

        • Richard Colton

          IDK. Dee Milliner and Dee Ford? The Double D Defense? Might sell a t-shirt or two.

          • Johnny Domino

            Or make for a great strip club promo night.

        • http://www.perfectlyplausible.com/ Iain Bartholomew

          They’re not trading Milliner. The only players that make any sense are David Harris (and 90% not happening) or Stephen Hill.

      • C-Dub

        I know he was big in the draft, but think he’s been a bit of a bust since. Now they’re saying 49ers are interested… just hope we get good value for him on D. Chip will make our Offense work with or without DeSean.

      • GEAGLE

        He sucks!!! As I promised he would!

        • Johnny Domino

          Or backpedal.

          If you traded for him and had some buyer’s remorse, you might be able to backpeddle.

      • jcwhy

        didnt think he was good, hence the ? haha

    • Ark87

      Jet’s have a pretty good D, but their weaknesses match our’s pretty well. They are also desperate for a pass rush too, It’s all Rex there. They have a Really nice D-line that stuffs the run, though.

  • ceedubya9

    Everything seems to point to the Eagles either cutting him or keeping him. Trading doesn’t seem very likely to get good value at this point. Unless they just really, REALLY want to get rid of him. Still the possibility that this is all just bull. A lot of conflicting reports. Will be glad when some real information is finally brought to light

    • CJ

      Not sure how keeping him’s even an option at this point unless it’s purely out of spite, or as Geagle so eloquently put it “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”. The next 3 days will go a long way to determining the outcome of course, but I don’t see anyway right now how this thing can be saved.

      Of course, I don’t see them cutting him for nothing, either.

      • ceedubya9

        I guess it all depends on what is really happening behind the scenes. For all we know, Chip, Howie, and DeSean have all talked, and this whole thing could just be a big pile crap that is being overblown by constant speculation. We haven’t heard anything from either side, outside of unnamed sources, and who knows what their agendas could be. Either way, all of these rumors started from something. The question is, is their some validity to it all, or has something less significant been blown up larger than it needs to be and created a snow ball effect?

        • CJ

          Even if it’s the latter, can they brush this all aside and make nice at this point? Seems like irreparable harm to the relationship to me. And to think Howie or Chip showing up tomorrow and saying “there is no truth to this rumor” will or would have 2 weeks ago resolved this is absurd. 31 NFL teams lie this time of year. The one exception is Philly because the Eagles just don’t say anything, and everyone knows it.

          • ceedubya9

            I think it could be brushed aside, to an extent. DeSean wants to get paid, and wants to make sure he continues to get paid. They decide to keep him, then he still has he current contract and a chance to continue to play in a high scoring offense. He makes the likelihood of getting a good deal from his next team (if he gets cut or traded) better by playing an not causing problems. It is smarter for him to just handle business and not let the personal stuff distract him again. Still to be seen if he can do that. At the same time, this is assuming there really are problems between him and the team.

  • Kevin

    As much as the ‘Daily DeDean” drives me crazy, it is actually pretty fascinating from a NFL/Agent/Media story perspective. I can’t remember a story where there have been so many reports that are followed by other reports contradicting the previous reports. One source says ‘x’, the other ‘y’ and you get the occasional ‘z’ thrown in just for fun.
    The end result though appears that no-one wants DeSean at the current price and is not willing to trade anything for him. So if the goal of this was by the Eagles FO to get a higher trade value, they pretty much failed. If the goal for this was by DeSean and his agent to get more money, they pretty much failed. In fact, DeSean may get less if he is released now, judging by comments from teams. It seems like they have worked out a lose-lose for both parties. Maybe, at the end of the day, both sides see the best value is letting things ride for one more year….
    At least with the TO drama we had popcorn and sit-ups.

    • Richard Colton

      Its only been 2 days of the “Daily DeSean” and it feels like six months. Its like a scab you keep tugging at, then the scab catches 82 passes for 1300 yards, then you trade the scab for nothing.

      • GEAGLE

        It feels longer then our coaching search, when LaConfora was reporting we couldn’t get anyone to agree to become the eagles coach lol

        • Richard Colton

          Be honest – how bad did you want Bradley?

          • GEAGLE

            I HATED the Chip hire, when Gus was available..I always keep it real..but I would love us hiring Zimmer or any quality defensive head coach more then I will ever be attracted to an offensive coach so that’s no surprise

    • Dilwala_G

      Funny thing about all this is that probably the best thing would have been for the Eagles to restructure DeSean’s deal for NO additional money, but a modest bit guaranteed for injury over next 2 years, to reward DeSean for a stellar year. Suppose they could still do that, but right now looks like more likely (1) Eagles will get nothing or next to nothing for DeSean and (2) DeSean will have to take less money (at least in 2014) in exchange for the guaranteed cash he (rightly) covets. Stupid ego stuff (or, perhaps as likely, we are missing a bunch of key pieces). Lose-lose is right Kevin!

      • GEAGLE

        If this was really about money, I believe we would be ATleast trying to negotiate a compromise right now, and that it would be too soon to give up hope of a resolution and allow it to get to this point…I believe we just don’t want Desean..why? “it’s NOT just about what a player is willing to do for you, it’s also about what he is willing to Sacrafice”-Chip Kelly, this past December or January

  • Kd711

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/24/on-desean-jackson-the-truth-is-elusive/

    “The latest tidbits from Orlando is that the 49ers are very interested, despite an on-the-record denial — and that the Seahawks, while having no interest if the price tag is at or close to $10.5 million for 2014, would be interested at a significantly lower cost.”

  • kstagg

    Oh God yeah. Send him to Oakland.

    • cloisterwater

      You don’t read too well.

      • kstagg

        Ok. How ’bout. “I hope he plays in Oakland”. Work for you?

  • TXEaglesFan

    If you are PO’d at the eagles front office I think your anger is misdirected. Here is what I think happened: the eagles had no intention of trading desean, but desean’s agent came to them before free agency and asked for a renegotiation. Howie said no, and maybe his only offense here is he wrote too good a contract for eagles with no guaranteed money and knew with Desean’s history that this contract could be a problem now. 

    The eagles then start to reward their other players with guaranteed money and then top it off by signing both cooper and Maclin. Desean lashes out and tells his agent get a new deal or else and agent orchestrates something to force eagles hand, ie contacts jimmy kempski and tells him eagles are shopping desean. Things snowball wildly from there, the eagles realize they are between a rock and hard place and trade for sproles knowing desean is probably gone.

    Again the eagles had no intention of trade, but desean’s agent forced the issue. It was either new contract or I blow the whole thing up. 

    My conclusion from this is it is not about football at all for chip Kelly, but the eagles front office has to hate being put in this position. Believe if the eagles wanted to trade DJ, they would have done so before FA and the market was stronger. They are not that dumb. This is about desean and his ego only.

    • Richard Colton

      Obviously you have no proof that’s what happened, but let’s say for the sake of argument your entire scenario is right.

      I’m still PO’ed at the front office for mismanaging this thing.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t really see what they mishandled…take the bullshit media and emotion out of the equation and we have consistently not commented on mass hysteria or rumors…and I think it’s the right stance to take…this media crap storm could actually play to our advantage, they are creating us a helluva smoke screen, where no one really has any idea what’s going on….and doubt Howie is dumb enough to not end up getting the best of some schmuck owner/GM come like the raiders or jets
        ..
        Of course, I don’t agree with trading Desean…but I like that we don’t negotiate with terrorist or respond to the gossipy Media’s bullshit. If they don’t want Desean, they don’t want Desean…I’d rather a no comment, then be lied to by my front office who tells us he won’t be traded to shut us up, and then turns around and trades him two weeks later

      • cliff henny

        not sure how anyone trades 2nd best player well. they knew shitstorm was coming, figured hunker down and let it fly over top. we’ll bitch, but in end, wont matter, they’ll play to packed house for next 20 yrs

      • Tom W

        Dont think they did. please tell what the FO did wrong at all?????

        • Richard Colton

          In his scenario? Failure to lead, motivate, impress, etc.

          Then again, it may be something completely different. There’s a scenario where the FO is blameless and we lose DeSean. Just not this one.

    • Kd711

      Why would DeSean’s agent want Kempski to say “there’s an opinion among some in the Eagles organization that Jackson’s personality is not a great fit with the locker room culture that Chip Kelly is trying to cultivate’?

      • Kd711

        I do think DeSean’s wanting a renegotiation could be a factor though.

      • CJ

        that’s probably the part meant to drive the price down so someone will actually take him. Any guaranteed money > no guaranteed money. Spites the FO in the process

        • Kd711

          If the Eagles didn’t want to trade DeSean they could have just denied the rumor.

          • CJ

            What does that ever accomplish? Giving it the acknowledgement that it’s even a thing and is worth denying at times gives it more credence then even ignoring it.

            If this is a BS move by an agent, why even acknowledge it and give the perception it’s having any effect on them?

          • Kd711

            The idea of forcing the Eagles to trade DeSean by spreading rumors about his bad personality makes no sense.

    • cliff henny

      give you some credit, least it’s original.

    • Tom W

      That’s my read as well … eagles prepared themselves for this but djax camp’s plan was always to get the new big deal this year … started the day after the season ended… just been quiet for a while till kempski connected the dots and eskin retweeted and added some more fuel … then mclane, rube, tim, and dgunn did some more digging ….

  • Philly0312

    SK – DJax cap figure next year is not 12 million for other teams; it is 10 million. For the Eagles, it is 12 million, as he has a bonus spread out over the life of the contract at 2 mil a year. So, if the Eagles cut or trade him, the bonus accelerates to 6 million this year from 2 million. But, when traded, his cap hit for the gaining team will be 10 mil.

    • sdk152

      Thanks! Fixed it. -SK

      • GEAGLE

        SDK…no owners meeting for you bud? You let McManus enjoy all the sun?

        • Dominik

          “Coaches, general managers and owners kicked off meetings here this morning at The Ritz Carlton (normally they don’t let people like me and Tim in places like this).”

          Sounds like he’s enjoying it too. ;)

          • GEAGLE

            Sorry, I rarely read the articles. No offense but I usually hear about the quotes before they are posted here

  • Mikeq

    Man, this site is terrible right now. Every few hours, Sheil and Tim come in and tell us to move it along. Then we all gather our belongings and shuffle off to the next DeSean Jackson thread where the same conversation as the last thread (and the one before that, and the one before that one, etc.) gets repeated all over again. Hopefully the madness ends soon for all our sakes.

    • GEAGLE

      Curious to see how many Desean threads in a row they can possibly post

      • anon

        If the page view numbers stay crazy i’m sure they’d do Djax stories very day of the year

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          an all-22 every week during the season after his games, to gauge performance

          • GEAGLE

            F THAT!! I want all 22s of every one of his practice performances!!!!,

        • Richard Colton

          Imagine if the reason they want to lose DeSean had something to do with Vick vs. Foles? The site would crash.

          • GEAGLE

            Wonder what #7 is going to do lol. Vick is not only a Jet, but he also won’t be wearing #7 next year lol

        • GEAGLE

          You can post a blank thread and we will still comment

    • Scott J

      Feel free to do something else instead of trolling on here. If you don’t like the updates, then go somewhere else. Scroll up to the top of the page and read the banner. It says “BIRDS 24/7″.

      • Mikeq

        Jeez- a little touchy are we?

        • Scott J

          Quit trolling.

  • GEAGLE

    Hearing Niners really want hm, after trying to sign Edelman,Tate and Hakim Nicks, and landing none,…this is predictable, Niners are running out of time to get over the hump, or they will become the 2005 eagles

    • Kd711

      I also find it interesting that in Baalke’s denial of interest he said “As of this moment, those reports are totally misleading and false.” Seems a little open ended.

      • GEAGLE

        Of course they are interested..how could they not be….now are they interested in the price we will require? That remains to be seen..at the end of the day! I’m sure if Baalke sees him go to the Seahawks for a 5th round pick he will be sick, and his fans will be even more pissed when they have more draft picks then there is room on their roster..

        • oreofestar

          There is no way every one of their picks make the roster but I really do not want to give SF Desean like we need to make them any better

          • GEAGLE

            I can assure you we will try to place him in the AFC if it’s possible….if there is a major discrepancy in compensation received, only then would we consider sending him to a direct competitor

            Proud of you man, you didn’t Jump…and I didn’t even have to sing to you “won’t you step off that ledge my friend, cut ties with All the lies that you been living in..if you never see Desean again, you will understaaaaaand, you will understaaaaaaand”

    • Tom W

      They got an extra second … its late second but at this point I would do a dance if we got a 2 and a 4.

      • GEAGLE

        I wouldn’t sleep on the browns either…New GM is trying to make moves…Desean,Gordon pairing would be very helpful for the young QB we add.

        If we are having trouble trading him, I’d try to package Barkley with him to teams like the Browns and raiders…but I think Chip really likes Barkley or we would have signed a vet QB by now

        • GEAGLE

          Btw, there will always be ATleast 1 or two teams who are interested but the media hasn’t found out yet

      • cliff henny

        yup, put them on hold, make a final call around the league, and we’re done. get 2nd wr and 2nd LB or TE, call it a day. then, sweat over picks.

    • anon

      No WRs left at 29?

      • GEAGLE

        Nope there are only 28 entering the draft and they will all be gone by 29

  • jabostick

    “…the Seahawks, while having no interest if the price tag is at or close to $10.5 million for 2014, would be interested at a significantly lower cost.”

    I’m pretty sure most teams in the NFL (maybe even the Eagles) would be interested in him at a bargain price.

    • Kev_H

      I agree. I think Chip would welcome him in the role they now have planned for Sproles, but that isn’t a $10 million per year role. So they get Sproles, who is probably better at it anyway, and dump Jackson.

  • GEAGLE

    On he radio McManus just said: speaking to someone close to Desean, that persons educated guess was that Chip just doesn’t like Desean lol.

    • Brian

      Don’t doubt it.

    • Dilwala_G

      doesn’t that make Chip the diva? This will be bad for our ability to recruit and retain talent – guys in that locker room like and dislike each other all the time, but they all respect talent. And they have to see a coach jettisoning talent for personality conflict, that’s not good

      • PhillySean

        Or it’s a lie that explains the trade in a way that doesn’t devalue DJax.

        • Dilwala_G

          Would love that to be true – what would the truth be that they’re disguising though? Injury? Why else would you trade DeSean?

          • PhillySean

            Well, it certainly wouldn’t help things along if someone said Chip thinks DJax ain’t worth the money and/or he and his agent are being a pain in the xxx and we want to wash our hands of him.

      • GEAGLE

        Hey dude, I’m as clueless as everyone…

      • anon

        We’ll just be a team of choir boys, even if that means we’re less talented. It’s not terrible, just didn’t think Desean did anything that bad. I also think Vick controlled Desean a lot and with him and avant gone they don’t have a leader that can handle him.

        • GEAGLE

          This choir boy stuff us crap. Chip has never had a team of choir boys…Certain Charecter issues will be tolerated, but not all..You think Chip would trade away Micheal Irvin? Of course not and Irvin is a walking sess pool of Charecter issues, but on Sundays, dude was all in, going to war with his team running thru walls for Jim Johnson…so this broad BS theory of only taking high Charecter guys is a joke. We will tolerate certain non choir boys like Kyle Long, Lyerla,Kiko Alonso, but certain Charecter traits are clearly non negotiable for chip

      • Kev_H

        Not true. Winners want to play for a team where their teammates are held accountable. It would be hard to recruit clowns who are looking for special treatment, but I doubt that Kelly is interested in recruiting clowns who are looking for special treatment. It certainly isn’t how you build a winner.

    • Tom W

      what a freaking joke. since when do we listen to the crew for news stories and contract negotiations… suprised segal is letting this happen.. what a mess

      • anon

        Segal is keeping Desean off the media, i think he’s doing the best he can with the situation honestly.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m surprised Segal has a job..I woulda fired him last week if I’m Desean…dude just got Riley Cooper PAID, and now I’m losing my job and might have to go play for the raiders?

    • Mr Knowitall

      I’m sure one of jackson’s buddies would qualify as an expert on what chip is thinking

  • Explorer51

    “We’ve not made any contact with the Eagles relative to a trade for DeSean Jackson.” This is the quote from the 49ers GM; if the Eagles contacted them, it gives him public plausible deniability while still allowing them to discuss privately.

    • GEAGLE

      No one cares about being able to Lie..Lying is in a GMs job description

      • Explorer51

        I agree, that is the case in all pro sports; my point was that it was being reported that he denied talking to the Eagles when all he did was deny making contact with them.

  • cliff henny

    least SF has more picks than they know what to do with, should be able to squeeze 2nd/5th or 3rd/4th combo. plus, make 9ers better so Seattle doesn’t win back to back. for a fan base that’s won nothing till this yr, cant even keep NBA team, they sure are annoying. hope someday I cant show them how to be extremely annoying after SB win.

    • oreofestar

      I would much rather shop him to Oakland or New Y ork where we never have to see him again instead of seeing Desean scorch our secondary in the playoffs

      • cliff henny

        this point, just want the picks. get couple guys that can wrap themselves around keep in 1.5 secs, don’t care that jax is outwide running wide sprints past c-wills like he’s stuck in mud

  • Tom W

    Very interesting scan of information one finds when they look into djax past: How is all of this not getting reported more clearly. And people trying to crucify the front office smh. I agree would have made more sense to deal with him next year when the draft wasn’t so deep ….but djax said he wants the new deal this year like now and probably wouldn’t be happy to wait till next offseason … dead money only drops a tad … all the early leaks from djax people and false stories about interest from niners, pats and panthers… seem all very calculated to me

    1) takes out several loans w former agent Drew Rosenhaus from 2009-2012

    1a) Djax is reportedly broke; ducks alot of hits; gator arms passes, holdsout; sulks all year …using a credit card from Rosenhaus to get by

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/14/financial-woes-may-be-driving-deseans-actions/

    1b) pricey rap label deal …and reports insiders are worried he is in financial trouble

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/14/desean-jackson-raises-eyebrows-with-pricey-rap-label/

    http://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/06/14/deep-desean-jackson-rap-game/

    2) Rosenhaus files grievance w nfl claiming djax still owes him 400k in unpaid loans

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/drew-rosenhaus-reportedly-files-grievance-vs-desean-jackson-060413

    3) signs reported “team-friendly” deal at the time in 2012 (basically two year deal) w no secured money after 2013 …. every one realizing things would come to a head in 2014

    3) Hires pitbull Joel Segal as his agent over Roc Nation reportedly shocking the sports business world … but many believe its a wise maneuver by jackson to get amped up for the big contract negotiation and a new deal in 2014 w the eagles or holdout or force a trade ala percy harvin, randy moss, chris johnson ,etc ..all segal clients … a typical segal maneuver …

    http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2013/07/24/joel-segal-snatches-desean-jacksons-signature-from-jay-z-and-the-others/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/football-agent-joel-segal-interview-2011-08

    http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2013/07/eagles_wr_desean_jackson_signs_with_michael_vicks_agent_joel_segal.html

    4) Day after season ends … djax responds to a question about whether he is deserving of new deal .. saying yes he has earned it, wants security, and while his old deal was “good,” (the 5 for 43 mil deal he is currently on) he feels he is deserving a new deal like the great wrs in the league after the year he had. Hired his great agent to get something to secure his future. Reports he is eyeing a mike wallace type deal w 25 million guaranteed (versus zero guaranteed over next 3 years on current deal)

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000309914/article/desean-jackson-i-deserve-a-new-contract-from-eagles

    http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/desean-jackson-hopes-eagles-re-do-his-contract

    4a) Mclane reports djaz unlikely to get a new deal or a restructured deal w guaranteed money and cap hits pushed into future

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/10/report-new-contract-unlikely-for-desean-jackson/

    5) “reported” home invasion w no signs of forced entry … 400k 250k in cash, jewels, guns … when djax is partying it up in miami, vegas, and hawaii …story changes a few times over next few days until publicist sets it straight meanwhiledjax looks like a happy guy on instragram

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1920107-desean-jackson-reportedly-has-375000-in-cash-jewelry-stolen-in-home-invasion

    waiting for the other shoe to drop … all about money but maybe more

    • Brian

      If nothing else, the work you put in to this deserves an upvote.

    • GEAGLE

      We don’t owe him a penny til September, if he needed money, he would be more then happy to restructure so we can trade him, and he could deposit a signing bonus in his bank account Immediately

      • Tom W

        didn’t say we owed him any money this minute.

        he wants a new deal w over twenty million guaranteed like a deal mike wallace got. eagles aren’t willing to do that.

        we made our moves. he and his agent are left to shake things up and force a trade a cut or play for paycheck to paycheck w no guaranteed money. eagles can do nothing. definitely not going to cut him.

        • GEAGLE

          Sorry, didn’t mean to respond under your comment…but Tom keeps going with this theory that Desean is in dire need of money NOW, so I pointed out, that since it’s clear he ain’t getting a penny out of us til September, if he was that seriously in need of money, he would be busting his ass to restructure his deal so a team will trade for him, and he can immediately deposit a bonus check into his account

          • Amar (India)

            I think it does say Geagle -> Tom W on your comment

          • GreenScabs

            That’s clearly not the smart move GEAGLE, he is still a big star in this league, and he can certainly take out a loan with any bank at any time. It would be in his best interest to get the most out of this situation especially if he needs money. You don’t just except what you’re told, you do your best to get the most out of this scenario. A desperate man with no one out would take what he can get, but a famous athlete in his prime should milk this situation as long/much as he can in an effort to maximize his potential profit. It’s not like the guy is looking in the sofa cushions for change to buy his next meal.

          • GreenScabs

            I realize that you were just responding to the notion that if DeSean needed money now he would doing everything he can to get money in his hands. My response was meant to refute that line of thinking as well, but from a a different line of thinking in that DeSean would never be in that situation (at least right now in the prime of his career), unless he got in WAY too deep with the wrong people, and even then it would be unrealistic.

            I do think he’s in financial trouble, in fact I don’t think anyone can argue that. And it makes perfect since as to way this situation has mushroomed the way it has. I also wouldn’t be at all surprised if he has somehow gotten himself into legal trouble due to his poor financial situation (i.e. falsifying information on a police report / insurance fraud). Something is most definitely going on behind the scenes, the Eagles are way to shrewd of a franchise to have all this information “leak”, I think those people who have insinuated that this has all been leaked by Jackson’s camp are dead on

    • Kev_H

      Chip doesn’t just say “big people beat up little people”, he says “dumb people make more mistakes than smart people”. I don’t think Jackson measures up in either criteria.

    • djr12

      This is the first thing I’ve read that has made *any* sense as to why the Eagles would even consider cutting him and getting nothing in return. From an on-the-field performance standpoint, even trading him for a 3 makes absolutely no sense to me.

    • greenblood0118

      Funny how he just happened to have all that cash just laying around while smack dab in the middle of a lawsuit involving 400k

  • JettMartinez

    This makes my head hurt. I can’t come up with a single logical reasoning for this mess. Some big secret issue the Eagles know about and no one else does? This is the same team that took on the Mike Vick project and stood by Riley Cooper. He doesn’t “fit” the Kelly ideal? Ok… draft his replacement first and trade from a position of strength or just live with it till his contract is up and don’t resign him. Straight up money issue? They’ve got plenty of cap space, and I think they’ve done enough under Laurie to put aside the cheap for cheapness sake argument. I’m been on Team Chip since the day he was hired, but I just can’t process what is going on here. Every new update I just keep thinking… WHAT THE HELL!?!?!

    • GEAGLE

      If there was something crazy, and we are trying to unload him before anyone found out, he would be a redskin or cowboy by now, and we would have 7 extra draft picks to show for it :)

    • Andy124

      If it was strictly a football fit that’s exactly what I think they’d do. If it was stictly a locker room fit, I think they’d ride that out another year as well. Assuming reports are true that the Eagles aren’t bringing him back no way no how, there’s a either a very serious non-football issue or he is truly the biggest fartmunch to ever scowl a scowl and the players are lying when they stick up for him.

    • Kev_H

      I think they feel they are trading from a position of strength. From many reports they tried to get rid of him last year. His replacements are in place- Cooper after his ‘big’ year, Maclin, and Sproles. Jackson is coming off of career numbers as a receiver and is 27 years old. He is at his most valuable and it is still feasible that the Eagles might keep him one more year.

      If you think now is the starting point– Chip runs the offense he wants with a diminished role for Jackson in 2014. Everything goes well for the Eagles. Now money is needed for Maclin’s renewal and Foles gets a big contract and Jackson is clearly a cap casualty for 2015 and has absolutely zero trade value.

      The only way your approach works under the “fit” scenario is if you ask Kelly to play 2014 to beef up Jackson’s trade value rather than win the Super Bowl.

  • DharmaBum

    We’re going to get something for him. There’s no way we cut him for no compensation…NO WAY.

  • GEAGLE

    Matt Friggin Schwabb fetched the Texans a 6th round pick…people are high if they think Eagles will have to cut Desean. I’m with Kapadia on this

    • anon

      Revis was cut

      • Explorer51

        Yeah, after Tampa Bay traded a 1st and a 3rd for him the year before…

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah I don’t imagine too many teams trading for a CB who hasn’t played well in like 3years who thinks he should be paid like a franchise QB

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          When hasn’t Revis played well? Not following you here. I believe he graded out as a top 3 CB again this year, despite having to play in some zone and not doing his thing locking up the best WR of the opposing team.

          • GEAGLE

            Ok I was exaggerating a point, sue me…as well as he played, you would want us to pay him Collin Kapernick money?

  • Scott J

    I’m not sick of the DeSean Jackson updates. This is important so keep them coming! If people are sick of them, then they don’t have to read about them.

    • OldDocRoss

      Well said.

      I’m led to believe there are upwards of 50 websites on the intertubes, many of which are entirely free of DeSean Jackson news. Also TV, books and a great big world outside to explore.

      Coming onto a website likely to feature DeSean Jackson news, clicking on an article that is clearly about DeSean Jackson and then complaining about being bored by DeSean Jackson news is not smart.

      • Andy124

        50 websites?! How will I ever decide which one to visit? Geez, it’s getting like cable out here.

        • OldDocRoss

          I’ve been waiting for months to receive my copy of The Internwebz Directory to no avail.

          Maybe one of the websites is a contents page?!?

        • Scott J

          It’s always fun to go on a Dallas site and pisss off the bandwagon jumpers.

      • Scott J

        I guess the complainers would rather talk about kickers. LOL.

  • DEBO 215

    Conspiracy Theory: Jackson is in deep shit with the wrong people in Philly and is being shopped so they can get him out of here in one piece, much like Chris Carter when he was in debt to the mob. They look like the bad guy and DeSean gets a clean start. Any traction? Dudes crib did get robbed for a lot of money and some weapons…
    Just spit balling for the fun of it at this point. I just hope they replace him adequately.

    • GEAGLE

      Uhhh in that case Desean would be doing his part to help us trade him…so NO, too many movies for you!

      • DEBO 215

        How can he help the Eagles trade him?

        • GEAGLE

          How about for starters not letting it leak that he won’t restructure to help the eagles trade him

    • JosephR2225

      Another Conspiracy Theory: They’re not trading him, they just want to scare him into compliance, like in 2000 (coincidentally, Howie’s first year with the Eagles) when the Sixers arranged a four-team trade that would send AI to Detroit until it was scuttled by Matt Geiger. They never really wanted to trade him, just let him know he wasn’t bigger than the team. AI had a career year the following year and led the Sixers to the NBA Finals. Would explain why the Eagles have kept their mouths shut while Desean’s trade value plummets.

      • DEBO 215

        I’d be more than fine with this. A quick lesson in humility. Much needed. I don’t want them to lose him but I also don’t want him pouting around like he did a couple years ago.

        • GEAGLE

          I would love this…I love Desean. But he is a petulant child…I don’t believe everyone with Charecter issues should be ruled out, but malcontent petulant child is a Charecter issue that drives me insane

        • JosephR2225

          Well there’s no chance it’s true… just since we were on the topic of wild conspiracy theories…

      • Uncle Wonder

        that could easily backfire…kid has a fragile ego, mess around like tht and he will spend the yr sulking and trynna force his way out.

  • Explorer51

    Regarding the Jets, they also traded for Santonio Holmes after an almost identical receiving year for Pittsburgh, 79 catches for 1248 yds, who also happened to be the Super Bowl MVP one year before. Most fans thought the Steelers were crazy for getting only a 5th rd pick for a guy who just had his best year and, after only four years as a pro, supposedly hadn’t reached his peak. But he was considered a headache because of his off the field transgressions; from what we know publicly, Jackson has not gotten into the same kind of troubles but there may be, emphasis may be, issues that bother CK and the front office. Whether some of us like it or not, Kelly is building a culture that is all about buy-in and Jackson, for reasons unknown to us at this moment, looks to be outside of that. Let’s see what the 2014 season brings before we are so quick to judge if he is right or not.

    • DEBO 215

      Holmes got traded for a 5th because he was one more drug suspension away from being kicked out for an entire season.

      • Explorer51

        He was traded because he was becoming a headache, as the Pittsburgh Steelers defined it, even though he just had a career year; and while the threat (which never materialized) of a season long suspension may have contributed to his trade value, it wasn’t the only thing. A quote from the time from one of his teammates: “Nobody would really think you would trade Santonio for a fifth-round pick,” Steelers wide receiver Mike Wallace said before Thursday’s practice. “But nobody really knows all the other factors and things like that. People just look from the outside-in. You don’t really know what’s going on.”

  • Scott J

    The Raiders are fooling themselves if they actually think jackson would sign with them if he was cut. They would be wise to offer one of their many picks.

    • Richard Colton

      West Coast team. Lots of cap space. Wouldn’t be the craziest thing ever.

      • Scott J

        I didn’t say the Raiders wouldn’t be interested in Jackson, I meant the Raiders would be a team Jackson wouldn’t want to play on. Don’t you think he would rather play in NY with Vick, or sign with the Niners, or Seattle if he was released?

        • Richard Colton

          I think he would go to the team that offered him the most $$$. Raiders are a mess of a franchise, but there are enough positives to outweigh those.

    • cliff henny

      think a ton of the ‘d-jax is a bad teammate’ is utter horsehockey. I also think if Saskatchewan Roughriders offered him 4 yrs 40m 25m guaranteed, Jax be on the first plane to our friendly northern neighbors

      • GEAGLE

        Is that a real team, or did you just make that up? Lol

        • cliff henny

          real. those lumberjacks have some fun games. think espn starts carrying them Saturday Nights in spring.

        • Warhound

          Not only are they a team, until 1996 they had two teams called the Roughriders.

    • GEAGLE

      No free agents would sign with them lol…I’m sure they are aware that even being from Cali, there would be about 15 suitors higher on his wish list then them..and their Cali connection don’t mean a damn thing if the Niners are interested…I actually have a gut feeling that Howie already has a deal he can live with on the table, and my guess would be from Oakland

      • OregonDucker

        Hence the silence about Oakland in the media now. My guess is Oakland and it will be announced soon.

      • Scott J

        I hope he gets traded to the Raiders or Jets. I don’t want him playing for the Niners or Seattle.

      • Kev_H

        My gut feeling is similar to yours, but not necessarily with Oakland. My gut says Patriots. If the Jets find out the Patriots are offering a 4th rounder, they’ll offer a third and restructure Jackson’s deal in a way that works for him.

        • GEAGLE

          Yes, if we have a deal on the table we can live with if we can’t find a better offer, I assume it would be with an AFC team, and we obviously have a decent relationship with the pats, since we friggin hosted them this summer

    • Safety1st

      Agreed. Read that DJ’s camp fears the distractions in the Bay Area. Plus, the Raiders have been a train wreck for decades. Send Graham and DJax for a 3rd and 4th. Raider Nation, in all their glorious myopia, would go ape.

  • Dave
  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    I just had a feeling “I just feel I’m deserving, bro” would lead to “Daily DeSean” updates months ago! Either way I could never get sick of the content on this site guys. Keep up the updates Sheil and Tim!

  • Ark87

    All of this mystifies me. How bad is the stuff we don’t know, that the assumption isn’t that we’d gladly retain the services of our probowl WR until his contract expires if we can’t be convinced to part with him. We’re operating under the presumption that if we can’t trade him, we’ll cut him. Is he a member of Aaron Hernandez gang or what?

    • Tom W

      Thats the agent talking. If we don’t get proper value, howie is not cutting him. why would we ??? take him back and have him play or if he sulks bench his ass. he will play he isn’t silly and he cant afford the 30k a day fines and the halted paychecks in september if he holds out …. plus eagles can file a grieveance against him … love the new CBA … holdouts are a thing of the past.

    • OregonDucker

      No, he’s a member of the Crips. At least that is who he hangs with.

      http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/03/10/0310-niphussle-instagram-3.jpg

  • Tom W

    Via twitter, howie ducking all djax questions …. luv this shit. Yea tell me again how the eagles FO is feeding this thing and driving the boat … please.

    • GEAGLE

      Howie is going from one meeting to the next, and reporters are trying to slow him down for a chat while he walks from one meeting to the next, and McManus says, Howie just keeps flying past them with his blinders on not even acknowledging questions lol Howie is the man…let them all go crazy with speculation…the day Howie bows down to the media, when they try to force his hand and give them a response for the mass hysteria they created is the day I lose respect for him….Keep your mouth closed Howie..Don’t give them anything!!!!

      • cliff henny

        i’d be happy and hussling around to if I had a whatever time pro-bowl WR for sale.

      • Tom W

        No i am talking about the actual press conference. he said nothing it was great. love Howie.

  • Brian

    Off topic. How about Dirty Sanchez as backup to Nick Foles?

    • OldDocRoss

      I’d rather run with Barkley who might be terrible, than Sanchez who definitely is.

      • Brian

        I was thinking along the lines of a Trent Edwards. Just to have experienced NFL QB on the sidelines etc.

        • OldDocRoss

          Yeah, I know. I just think Sanchez is awful and you gave me an opening to have fun at his expense.

          That and I think if Barkley can’t be relied on as a #2 at this stage I’d sooner we just cut him loose, but I think the coaching staff are higher on him than most of us.

    • GEAGLE

      Dirty…and not in the good cool way

    • Kev_H

      Depends on his mindset. I thought he came into his first training camp with a good mindset and a promising future. Then all the Jets vets took him to downtown Cortland, NY and got him drunk. The environment derailed him. If he realizes that and wants a re-start, he might be a great guy to have. I think he’ll make some noise in the NFL before he is done.

  • GEAGLE

    Bout to take matters into my own hands…who is helping me Jail Break Irsay out of rehab? Who’s with me? Lol

    • DharmaBum

      I was just getting ready to strap a battering ram to the front of my scooter for that exact purpose. Let’s go…

  • oreofestar

    I hate this Desean stuff…but I can’t stay away!!! I must comment…this really sucks bt what sucks more is the fact that we do not know what is or is not true but if I am Howie this is what I have to do, I can not let SF or SEA get him, those are the teams we are trying to catch and compete with and then you give them a top 10 wr aaaah no

    • Kev_H

      I don’t think they are worried about competing against him honestly. Even if he gets free he might spike the football at the 5 yard line or some other clutch maneuver. I think the Eagles are confident they can both stop his game and take him out of his game.

  • Dave

    I don’t blame the FO at all and here’s why…after a year in which desean admittedly dogged it because he was unhappy…the eagles FO STILL rewarded him with a fair contract. A contract which he himself deemed fair. This was after a year where he was a cancer, essentially giving up. But the FO recognized the talent and rewarded him.

    I don’t understand why anyone thinks desean deserves more money. He’s being paid as the 8th best WR in the league. That may be overpayment IMO. His career stats, not just last year, make him about the 13th best wr in the league. The guy is being paid fairly…perhaps even over paid.

    This whole thing is ridiculous on deseans part. So you want more money, cool, well you aren’t getting it because you don’t deserve it. You are being paid fairly. So now you want to get in the media and post photos and run your mouth? Cool…we (the FO) don’t run our mouths, in fact we are tight lipped…so run your mouth and keep ruining your value. We won’t comment. We’ll just sit back and watch you create this shit show until the day comes where you have two options…1) accept a trade that we structure…one in which you will surely be paid less than the 12 million we were going to pay you this year or 2) shut your mouth, put your pads on and play ball. And the first instance you act up, suspended for content detrimential to the team with no pay

    He’s a mishandling money lover. It’s all he cares about. It’s all he’s cared about since coming out of Cal. Remember when he slipped to the 2nd round because of “character issues”?? Those issues didn’t just magically disappear. His on the field play simply blinded us all too it. All this guy does is smoke weed and spend money. Ask anyone who’s around him.

    I love his on field production. But at the same time if his character isn’t inline with the culture than cut your ties now. Or else we’ll be going through this every 2 years. Get him out and rebuild the way we have been rebuilding. Enough said.

    In Chip I trust…

    • anon

      Then why is Riley Cooper making 5m+ a year if players shouldn’t be paid for more than just last year? After his “off the field antics” they wrap him up long term? Look at where Djax is on the list of WRs getting paid, he’s not getting overpaid he basically put the WR corps on his back last season — eagles are lucky they didn’t trade him. He proved he could go be a no.1 only right he should get paid like one.

      Second, once Djax knew he was getting traded obviously he’s going to post some photos on insta. It’s not like he’s on sportscenter every day, or the radio every day talking nonsense. Djax isn’t the first pre-madonna WR, and he’s definitely not the worst.

      Third, why would you restructure to facilitate a trade that you don’t want? That makes no sense.

      Fourth, as the Eagles why would you dump a WR on a flooded WR market and think you’re going to get top compensation- that’s bad economics? You saw Eric Decker go out and not get paid (he’s making brian hartline money — barely). This also makes me wonder why you wouldn’t let Riley (and Maclin) test FA and just match.

      Got guys like James Casey making $4mm this year to run up and down the field on special teams and block run plays.

      All that said i’d trade DJAX for a first, or a second and 4th in this draft. I don’t blame the FO — but once they saw they weren’t getting that (every GM wants more picks this draft) I wouldn’t let it play out like this — I’d at least lie to the media. Got the whole team watching this nonsense happening being like WTF.

      • Tom W

        I agree w last paragraph but end of the day he is under contract and eagles control the ball. no way they cut him. he can show up and play or get fined and sit out. aren’t going to trade him unless we get proper value.

      • Kev_H

        I might be wrong, but I think he has more leverage in salary negotiations with a team planning to drop a draft pick or two on him then he does on the free market. On the free market, he likely gets a one year prove it deal, high in incentives with little or no up front money. With a trade partner, they are going to want to lock him up for a couple of years and give him some signing bonus money upfront.

        He might not get to choose his destination, but he gets to go to a team who is committed to him. I could see “win-win-win” deals with the Raiders or Jets where the Eagles get some compensation, the Raiders or Jets get the rights to DeSean, and they do a new deal which gives him some immediate cash, is less than his current contract (which is moot at this point since it is unlikely anybody wants to take it on), but more than he would get elsewhere.

        • GEAGLE

          He doesn’t technically get to chose his team, but he can veto any trade because no one will sign off on the trade until they work out the deal with Deseans agent..
          ..
          So technically let’s say we are only considering trading him to the raiders because we won’t send him to an NFC contender, Deseans options are:
          1) work out a deal with the raiders
          2) Veto it and hope that the eagles cut him

          Because we don’t owe him any offseason money, even if he didn’t want to go to the eagles! I doubt he has the discapline to turn down a signing bonus now with the raiders! a check he can immediately deposit! to play chicken with Howie who can hold on to him until August 31 without paying him a penny…in the end, money NOW will always prevail with Desean unless he been managing money better then people think!

      • Warhound

        …Prima Donna… Unless you mean prior to Madonna.

    • GEAGLE

      Chip is an offensive genius, known for common sense…he didn’t name Stoutland our defensive Coordinator. Everything he touched turned to gold last year…and I heard people say he hired a garbage defensive coordinator, I heard people Genuinly believe we would trade away FOles when I knew for a fact it was a joke, heard them tell me we would have a historically bad defense again when I knew that was a joke…forgive me, but Chip and Howie have earned enough cache with me, to where I don’t actually think I’m a smarter human being then them like I did towards the end of the fatmans tenure…and I doubt anyone who has been speculating including myself has more then 30% of the intel…
      ..
      So while I never imagined we would be where we are at right now..and as much as it will crush me when it sinks in that we no longer have Desean flying around the link…I Believe in our decision makers until they prove to me that I misplaced my trust into a false prophet…

    • DharmaBum

      Well said.

    • Kev_H

      DeSean will be taking a pay cut going forward, it’s as simple as that. If it’s his mindset that he should get a raise, there could be problems. In his defense this is different from 2011. He was on a low paying, rookie deal then and established that he was an elite player. If he got hurt, it would have cost him millions and he could have left the game without a big pay day.

      Today, he will get nice money in either case, but it isn’t going to match the numbers currently on his contract. His best bet moving forward whether it’s in Philly or Oakland or wherever, is to work at his craft, stay fit, focus 100% on his team, his skills, his fitness, and football and try to extend his productive NFL career 2-or-3 well paid years longer than it will likely be. He also ought to live on the NFL per diems and bank as much as he can.

  • cliff henny

    novakremlin at it’s best…

    Jeff McLane ‏@Jeff_McLane 4m

    Our 33-minute interview with Howie Roseman has ended. No more clarity on DeSean except that GM was not willing to talk about one Eagle.

    • Kd711

      Somehow they talked to him for 30 minutes and have nothing else interesting to tweet.

    • PsychoPathetic1

      So I interpret that to mean all the players are wanting their contracts redone and the Eagles are actively trying to trade every player on the roster

      • cliff henny

        well PP1, I’ve seen people jump to a lot worse conclusions than that the last week or so.so. sure, why not.

    • GEAGLE

      Yes!!!!! I can’t help loving Howie..even when I hate the road he is going down, I can’t help loving that little prick! I told Yous I look at him like the federal agent from the last season of Boardwalk empire, who always looks like the sweetest little boy, but is a ruthless prick!!! Kill em with kindness Howie!!!!

      • cliff henny

        you watch inglorious bastards yet? Howie ‘bearjew’ roseman

  • cliff henny

    Zach Berman ‏@ZBerm 3m

    Roseman on Jackson: “He’s still under contract. For us, until there’s anything to report on our players, that’s where we are.”

    • ceedubya9

      Got a feeling that this type of response is all we are going to be getting. Even in that, this implies a lot.

      • Tom W

        Yep. if we don’t get proper value, we ain’t cutting him. he can show and play or sit out and get fined.

    • GEAGLE

      My man!!! Good for you Howie!!! “Don’t tell them anything Donnie!!!”(before Al Pacino realized Donnie Brasco was federal agent Joe Pistone ) lol

      • cliff henny

        made it this far, i’d be pissed if he went different direction. pick a strategy, stay with it.

  • Justin

    Part of me wants to go to this meeting just to find out wtf is going on. Not that I’d get a real answer.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    I learned something today. Despite everyone thinking that Desean totally bought in and was never a problem, that apparently couldn’t be further from the truth as D-Jax apparently has an awful attitude and he and Chip basically can’t stand each other. Simply put, it’s beyond ego management. No way he’s back.

    • cliff henny

      hearing this and looking back, wouldn’t surprise me Jax and Kelly were at odds. Reid pretty much coddled the young feller, or, least seemed like it. you can only hear, ‘that’s not how Reid did it’ so many times. we’ve all worked with those people. give ya a couple, but at some point, that ‘ish gotta stop. no idea if that happened, but can picture it. guaranteed there was someone who was in that boat.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Exactly, you only get a couple freebies. And obviously we’re not privy to everyday practices and meetings, so the bs we are privy to is only a part of it. And for all the people who think this offense won’t run without D-Jax, Chip definitely thinks it can. The Sproles trade makes SO much more sense, now.

        • Andy124

          Eh. Even in hindsight I think the Sproles trade is completely independant of this situation. The skill sets seem so different to me. I just look at Sproles as a huge upgrade over Avant.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Still not something DJ did well. Seems like it could be a pre-emptive maneuver to evolve the offense away from the big play to more quick-hitting plays. Obviously he’ll take the chunk yardage as it comes, but that seemed like most of the passing game last year. Of course, whoever we draft could very well make everything I said completely irrelevant.

          • Andy124

            That’s the good news. We don’t have to guess forever. We’ll eventually see how it plays out on the field. I’m not a big fan of preemptive worrying.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Guess it’s a good thing I’m not worrying one way or the other.

      • Kev_H

        I think there is a blog post on here from last summer noting how Jackson’s attendance, while not perfect, was much better than it had been previously (under Reid). This was taken as an indication that Jackson had “bought in” to what was going on. “Buy in” apparently means different things to different people.

  • DharmaBum

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20140324_Releasing_Jackson_makes_no_sense_for_Eagles.html

    Basically, Domo is saying what I’ve been saying: No way we should release Jackson, under any circumstances. If we can’t find a trade partner, whether it is because of DeSean refusing to facilitate it or not, we can just keep him until something either materializes, or the season starts with him on our roster. He’ll just have to play for the Eagles, that’s all. No way, no how, should we cut him. Whether it’s now or during the draft, I believe we’ll get some value for him. What we won’t do is just release him into the waiting arms of some other team so he can get paid, while we walk away with nothing.

  • DharmaBum
    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Rather just a second for DJ

    • cliff henny

      DB, you gotta stay off that site…crazy seeps thru keyboard into fingertips

      • DharmaBum

        It’s been pretty widely known that Pryor is on the outs there. Florio is just linking the story in this case,

    • Token

      Why the hell would you want Pryor. People just cant get enough of the terrible running QBs.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        But he’s fast. And ran for 90something yards against us.

        • Andy124

          Need a fast QB. How else are we supposed to run the ball or open up passing lanes?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            We need a QB that runs a 4.25 or better, though. I don’t think even Pryor can run that.

          • Andy124

            Probably getting rid of DJ because he refused to fill in at QB when Mike hurt his hammy.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Talk about the definition of “not buying in”

  • cliff henny

    Sheil dropping dimes! could be taken 2 ways, dropping in 1st, would explain taking look at Mike Evans, or draft in general. dare I say Evans/Moncrief

    Sheil Kapadia ‏@SheilKapadia 6m

    Howie hint? On WR: “It’s the best group at any position in the draft. …When you look at the history of that position too, guys drop.”

    • Amar (India)

      Do we have an example of a team letting go of their #1 WR after a career season ?
      I can’t take more of Howie-and-Chip-are-so-smart rhetoric as it goes on here. They have displayed a fair share of flaws to dispel that myth.
      The fact is these 2 could never build the Seattle roster. All DBs would be cut or traded for their undying love of Adderall. Marshawn Lynch would be gone coz he doesn’t speak to the media, Russell wilson won’t be a started as big people beat up small people (dont know his hand size).
      I don’t want this to be the TO episode, I remember he burned us for the next 2-3 years after leaving.

      • GiveMeABreak

        Totally right, Amar. If they get rid of DeSean, it would really show their contempt for the fans. The sharing of revenues is a zero sum game between the franchise and its players and the organization wants to keep more money even if it means getting rid of their #1 and one of the most exciting guys in the league for far less than he is worth. Any fans who really believe in the franchise after something like this should have their heads examined. The birds are not about winning a Lombardi, they are about Lurie making more $$. Our best shot at a football championship was Myles T. and the Stars.

  • Amar (India)

    Kanye’s final four Kanye North, Kanye East, Kanye South, Kanye West. Guess who won ?

    • cliff henny

      fact that those 2 reproduced and I know the shit’s name, we all lost!

  • Mr Knowitall

    I couldn’t really understand why the Eagles suddenly didn’t
    want Jackson on the team anymore at first- like everyone else- but after
    getting a chance to think about it, the whole thing looks really obvious and I
    am confident this will be addition by subtraction.

    I’m not sure how many of you have been in charge of managing
    a group of men or have run a business before, but if you have, I bet you
    understand too. Since coming to Philly,
    Chip Kelly has pretty much maintained two things when it comes to his philosophy
    on which players fit what he’s looking for: (1) big players (2) versatile
    players. By all indications, he doesn’t
    care if you drag race at 2 am or spew racial epithets. But Jackson is small (opposite of big) and
    he’s one of the most one-dimensional WR’s in the league (the opposite of
    versatile).

    How could any leader expect his guys to believe in him if he
    contradicts his main message? And why is that his philosophy in the first
    place? Most likely because he believes it is how you win. If he thinks you need
    to be big and versatile to win, how can a small one-dimensional player truly
    help? For as great a season as he had last year, why was the offense so
    inefficient at scoring touchdowns in the red zone? Jackson is one the top paid
    players on the team and he is one of the highest profile guys too. And he is small and one-dimensional.

    It’s a delicate situation for Chip to get rid of this guy
    because he puts up good numbers and he’s a fan favorite, even though some might
    argue that his numbers are fluffy and he disappears when you really need him-
    like in last year’s playoff game. Chip probably will not be drafting or signing
    very many players that are small for their position and one-dimensional. But
    uprooting one that is already entrenched has predictably proven to be difficult
    from a public relations standpoint. I personally have had to fire employees that
    upon first glance seemed like superstars, but, for a variety of reasons, didn’t
    fit the organizations philosophy. At first the moves seemed very perplexing,
    but in each case, after a while the production was as good or better than with
    the “superstar” and the cohesiveness was significantly increased.

    Jackson will be released or traded for a low draft pick soon
    and I predict (1) the offense will score more points this year than last (2)
    the offense will gain more yards than last year and (3) by the middle of the
    year, with Ertz, Maclin, Shady, Sproles, Celek and Cooper, the fans won’t even
    remember any of this silliness.

    • Amar (India)

      I’m not sure about (3). This offense may not have the same success as last year based on the tough schedule.
      One thing is guaranteed though, Desean will be a top wideout in 2014, putting up excellent numbers.
      Also what do you mean not versatile ? He handled the PR duties when asked to. Running the route, making a surehanded catch and raking up YAC is the one dimension i will take any day.

      • Kev_H

        I thought his YAC has been low and he has been a poor returner the last 3 years.

      • Mr Knowitall

        as far as his skills as a wr, he is, generally speaking, just a deep threat

    • Andy124

      For as great a season as he had last year, why was the offense so
      inefficient at scoring touchdowns in the red zone?

      I don’t believe that is accurate. Especially from week 6 and on. If you have a source for that, please share. Seriously. No sarcasm. I’m having difficulty finding any good redzone stats.

      Football Outsiders also asserts that red zone efficiency is a myth and past success between the 20′s is more predictive of future red zone success than past red zone success.

    • Kev_H

      2 points: first, Kelly also said he puts a high value in overall intelligence. Second, I think you are on to something re experience informing opinion. Successful leadership and organizational culture are all-or-nothing propositions. If you have a key player who doesn’t fit you have nothing but a day-to-day scramble to get by.

  • GEAGLE

    Terrell Pryor has asked to be traded. If he ain’t happy about sitting behind Schwabb,doubt he would be happy behind FOles, but I’m not exactly sure wtf he thinks he is, since suitors will look at him as a developmental prospect, and NO ONE not even the dumb raiders would hand the keys to the franchise over to him smh..

    Lions won’t excersize their 2015 option for Nick fairly! I got giddy for a moment because i KNOW that Chip KNOWS how good that dude can be! but then I realize he costs money so we have no shot at him. Sigh..

    • cliff henny

      choice is 2nd and pryor or 2nd and 4th, give me the pick.

      • GEAGLE

        Bye bye Pryor…4th gets me Christian Kirksey!! :)

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Can Pryor rush the passer? ;-)

  • cliff henny

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 14m

    Rams signed former Florida State standout CB Greg Reid, who has recovered from two ACL surgeries and worked out for teams at FSU Pro Day.
    .
    surprised they let this guy slip thru fingertips…sounds like an Eagles to me

  • Token

    Domo – Howie Roseman said OLB Connor Barwin may be used more as a pass-rusher and less as a coverage ‘backer next season.

    So theres your answer to pass rusher. Connor Barwin………………………………………………………………………………

    • Jerry Pomroy

      He’s not incapable. But I gotta imagine this is a Plan B (maybe C) scenario. The question becomes, who replaces Barwin’s responsibilities. Certainly isn’t anyone currently on the roster.

  • Waffles

    I still refuse to believe anything about this whole “story”. The national media has sensationalized the dumb thoughts of a few fat, loser, bloggers and pathetic “journalists” with no real world sources. Keyboard reporting. This is a joke.

  • GEAGLE

    Ed werder, Clayton and Polian are all talking about this live right now..and they think we will get value, just not the percy Harvin type value…Clayton expecting a 3rd. Pollian thinks Chip wants everyone who are 100% all in, and at 10milliom dollars he shouldn’t have to deal with Deseans antics.. None of these 3 think it’s a simple case of us just unloading him for whatever the best offer is, they think if we can get a 3rd we will take it, but they seem to think we would bring him back if the compensation isn’t right..
    ..
    Clayton echoed my sentiment about a new agent, helping us make this happen because he doesn’t make money off Desean until Desean signs a new deal…they seemed way more realistic about all this, then any of the insane chickens with their heads cut off media

  • mosquito killer

    the eagles benefit from the “they might cut him” discussion, so it stands to reason they might be generating it. if teams think he’ll be cut, they’d be inclined to trade for him so they don’t have to compete with the rest of the league. the can also trade with the a reworked contract already in place.

    furthermore – and what people seem to keep overlooking is – the eagles can simply keep him. they’re not up against the cap, so if they don’t get a good offer now, they just hold onto him. it’s a 3rd rounder or better or he stays…got it NFL?

    • GEAGLE

      Totally agree, even tho I know not many people will

    • Andy124

      Completely disagree with your first paragraph. If teams think the Eagles might cut him, they are less likely to offer up picksplayers for a chance to get him at 10.5 mil when they can just wait and have a chance to get at a lower price and without having to give up playerspicks. It hurts his trade value significantly if teams have reason to believe they can get him without trading for him.

      • GEAGLE

        Not if you are Oakland and you know he will probably chose anyone over you

        • Andy124

          Let’s play out the 2 scenarios from Oaklands eyes and how it affects how much they may offer.

          Eagles will only trade DJ for the right price and will not cut him if no one offers enough
          Oakland wants Jackson and will have to offer enough via trade to get him. If they do not offer enough, they do not get DJ. Period.

          Eagles will trade DeSean for whatever they can get. If they get nothing, they will cut DeSean.
          Oakland wants Jackson and feels like they have to trade for him because he won’t sign with them if he gets cut. If they do not offer enough in a trade they do not get DJ. However, other teams are less likely to offer a fair trade value for DJ because they are content to try to sign him as an FA. Additionally, the perceived minimum offer the Eagles will accept is lowered significantly. These factors both drive down what we can expect in an offer from Oakland. If anything, what Oakland is willing to trade for DeSean may be unaffected depending on the philosphy of their decision makers. But there’s no logical path to this increasing what they would trade.

          • mosquito killer

            they flawed logic with scenario 2 is that you assume that “other teams” won’t try to trade for him and are content to wait for him to hit FA. why would they think they’d have a better shot him as a FA than any other team?

          • Andy124

            Why would they think they have a better chance to trade for him than other teams?

            It’s not, “no one will possibly be willing to offer anything”, it’s a decreased market. Less demand with equal supply = lower price.

          • mosquito killer

            but why would you think there’s less demand?

            the better chance of trading for him comes by offering more. unless you think teams are colluding to not offer anything in a trade, they’re competing against each other for a valuable player.

          • Andy124

            Because why bid in a trade when you can just bid in FA and not lose any assets?

          • mosquito killer

            because he’s going to want more money for more years with a signing bonus. if you trade for him, you either renegotiate on your terms or get him with no guaranteed money.

      • mosquito killer

        but they have to compete against the rest of league, so the price might be higher, for longer, not lower for shorter. and they can attempt get desean to renegotiate if it’s a place he wants to go…

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’m sure that renegotiation is also something being talked about amongst those interested, Howie & DeSean’s agent.

          As for the open market & teams competing…DJax getting released really doesn’t leave him with much of a leg to stand on. He’ll either have to accept the best offer given or sit home and play video games or mess around in the studio. Teams aren’t just going to line up to pay him mega millions just because he’s available.

          • mosquito killer

            i think it’s better for him to get released. he gets a new deal – WITH A SIGNING BONUS – and will have lots of suitors. there aren’t any players out there with his skill set, so he’s in a good position on the open market…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But there isn’t as much money available at this point to openly add that cap hit, which is why teams seem to be shying away. He’s not going get on the open market what he’s being paid right now. He might get more guaranteed, but I don’t see a larger total annual.

          • Maggie

            I’m afraid that is incorrect. Prior to 2013 season, NFL.com rated Top 40 wide receivers. DeSean Jackson was rated #31. Maclin at #25.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Which is hopefully why Roseman should be clarifying that we have no intentions to cut him. If they want his services, anty up bitches.

    • Kev_H

      But his trade value will never be higher than it is now.

  • Eagles1018

    I’m tired of talking about this. In my short time on this board I’ve seen comments from a few people I respect. So I will ask some of them if they can give me some draft players to review that they think may fit/get picked at some point by the eagles? I’m hoping Colton, Geagle, Aub32 can give me some players to look at and keep me occupied?

    • GEAGLE

      Check out The things Iowa OLB/ILB Christian Kirksey can do in coverage
      ..
      Donte Moncrief WR
      ..
      Marcus Smith OLB
      .
      Odell Beckham Junior WR
      ..
      Brandin Cooks WR
      .,.
      Kyle Van Noy OLB/ILB

      • cliff henny

        want them all! jax for a 1st and 3rd, graham for a 4th, should get clean sweep. not sure what’s so hard for Howie, we do 90% of his job

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          All he has to do is worry about writing the contract for the occasional player that doesn’t have a prior knee injury. Not like it’s many…

    • Amar (India)

      theycallmerob, cliff henny, Gwallyhunter

      • cliff henny

        this must be the hack list

        • Richard Colton

          B-more/Dirty South/Canada connection

    • Richard Colton

      Thanks 1018. I mostly come here to laugh at something Andy posts. Or to learn something from Rob, Cliff, Nick, or JR. Stay here longer than a week and you’ll see that Token wants to trade the whole team and half the people here are secretly Canadian. Not a “wiz wit” in the whole crew.

      Ohh – and Johnny Geagle is certifiably crazy. He threatened to fight the entire city of Chicago for the rights to Kyle Long. True story.

      • GEAGLE

        Dude they wanted to fight me…I had no quarles with Chi Town(via kong in my Ali voice)..they just couldn’t handle the truth that Kyle Long won’t re sign with them and is destined to play between Lane and Kelce..BEAR DOWN DEEZ NUTS Chi town….FLY EAGLES FLY!!

        • Richard Colton

          see what I mean?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            He’s definitely the whipping boy…lol.

      • Andy124

        I heard he walked in to a pizza bar in Chicago wearing a ‘Steve Batman’s #1 Fan’ t-shirt and a Packers cheese-head then complained about the deep dish and how he couldn’t get a good slice of New York pizza in that damn town.

      • Maggie

        No secret, RC. Also I have been to the Emerald City AND own a pair of ruby slippers. Literally. (“wiz” wit). Almost forget. Was even in a tornado once!

  • GEAGLE

    “Source close to the team tells philly.com(assuming that Hack Kempski) that the eagles decided to move on from D-Sean over a month ago)

    • Kd711
      • GEAGLE

        F HIM!!! Don’t give him any clicks lol

        • Kd711

          Why is he a hack if he was right?

          • GEAGLE

            Used to LOVE Kempski…but unless he has some serious intell, which he didn’t..he took a raiders combine rumor and created his opinion piece, responsible journalism isn’t enough in this city..if you are going to write something that’s going to start a crap storm and hurt our team, you better have something REAL to report

          • Kd711

            But the Eagles clearly are trading DeSean. That would suggest that he did have some real intel. Nowhere in any of his articles did he mention the raiders combine rumor as evidence.

            If you want to blame someone for the “crap storm”, blame Mosher. He’s the one who went on PFT and started talking about how they might cut DeSean, which is total BS.

          • OldDocRoss

            Please stop with the Raiders combine rumour. It is lunacy, supported by nothing other than your bombastic rhetoric. And the idea that the Eagles knocking back a trade offer for DeSean inspired someone to write about the Eagles being willing to trade DeSean is logically flawed.

            He’s clearly stated what inspired him to write the original article. He has also been proven right here. You, with the greatest of respect, have been very much less than right and clinging on to your beloved Raiders rumour will not change this.

            On the bright side, this does mean you apparently have the fountain of youth and a unicorn in your basement, so it’s not all bad news.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Woo-hoo! Don’t care much for the unicorn, but I’m all in on the fountain of youth!

          • Token

            So wait, you think that his article is what spurred this whole thing on? That Jackson would be part of the team if he never wrote that? I mean, come on man.

          • cliff henny

            kempski got a schitck going where he’s the goofy/funny guy. he cant have that, then be surprised when people have backlash against him when he flips switch to serious reporter. sort of like eskin being a dick, least he owned it.

    • Kev_H

      I think it’s longer than that. Offering a multi-year deal to Maclin and bringing back Cooper at decent money were clear signs that Jackson wasn’t in the Birds future.

      • GEAGLE

        Let me ask this again..how does Deseans agent still have a job? Dude got Coop PAID, and a month later Desean will lose his job and possibly play for the Oakland Raiders? Would have fired him A week ago if I was desean

        • Kev_H

          Let’s see how it plays out. I still think there’s a win-win-win trade and new contract for Jackson that everyone is happy with.

        • Michael Myers

          jax probably owes him $

  • Chatty Kathy

    Well Deshawn has to know deep inside that the only chance he ever has a of getting a Super Bowl ring would be outside of Philly

    • Richard Colton

      What a coincidence, you look like a troll too!

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