The Daily DeSean Update

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Owners are beginning to arrive in Orlando for the week’s meetings, and we already have one team confirming its interest in the services of DeSean Jackson.

But apparently, Johnson would prefer not to give up a draft pick for the 27-year-old wide receiver.

Woody Johnson's confirmation comes on the heels of a New York Post report that suggests the Jets are interested in Jackson, but only at a reduced price.

Yesterday, we discussed why the Jets make sense as a potential trade partner. They have the cap space, the draft picks and the need at wide receiver. They also have Marty Mornhinweg and Michael Vick - two figures who have worked with Jackson in the past.

With reports surfacing that the Eagles could end up cutting Jackson, teams may be hesitant to offer a significant package.

Meanwhile, 49ers GM Trent Baalke gave strong indications that his team is not in the mix for Jackson.

"As of this moment, those reports are totally misleading and false," Baalke told CSN Bay Area, adding that the team has not had any talks with the Eagles about Jackson.

Meanwhile, a CBSSports.com report suggests the Seahawks have expressed interest. Seattle currently has the eighth-most cap space in the league ($15.39 million).

With all of the league's decision-makers assembled in one city, a resolution on Jackson could be reached in the next week.

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  • Matt Broad

    Starting to think that this has gone on for so long that he HAS to be cut or traded, even though I love DeSean in this offense and don’t see the point in this at all. If he’s with the team come training camp we’ll be looking at 2005 TO redux…ugh

    • Richard Colton

      Good point Matt. Here’s what I think the difference is: In 2004, we had zero receiving options behind TO. Westbrook caught a lot of extended hand off and screen passes, but we only had one real WR with the birds in ’14, Maclin/Ertz/Celek/Cooper are all better options than the 2nd best guy in ’04 (you call it – FredEx or Pinkston).

      I’d love to have the Eagles publically state that they’re planning on keeping DeSean n the roster in ’14 for his 10.5 Million, but announce they plan to cut him in ’15 or trade him. That should keep him happy and motivated for a year. If whatever off field nonsense that prompted this media sniping in the first place flares up during the year, bench him. Cutting him before camp does nothing to help us.

      • oreofestar

        I seriously doubt we cut him now it makes no sense what is the rush it i snot like Tampa Bay with Revis trying to avoid a bonus until Desean starts playing games for us we do not owe him any more money so unless you find a good trade you should drag him along and hope he has a good attitude

        • Philly0312

          Concur. This idea that we would cut him is the only report I will say is absolutely ridiculous. If Oakland would trade a pick for a QB who was absolutely being cut the next day and likely going to the Browns if he was, then I am sure Birds can get something for him, even if its practically nothing.

      • Matt Broad

        Oh yeah, there’s no doubt that the Birds are in MUCH better shape roster-wise than in 2005. I was suggesting that we might see a re-emergence of the circus-like atmosphere, with big fat local beat writers and national TV correspondents harping on the situation to the point where the “distraction” word that they love so much becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Unless they sign him to a new contract,the longer he’s around, the more the media will focus on that and nothing else. As to your second point (announce they plan on cutting and/or trading him), DeSean has proven before that he hates that kind of uncertainty. I don’t blame him for this, as football players are always one bad hit away from retirement (DeSean knows this as well as anyone- that concussion he suffered back in his second or third year was horrific). I don’t see him being happy with that situation, and his team of agents and friends will likely keep the leaks a’comin’ if the Birds try to go that route.

      • damrvrhunter

        The way the contract works for a veteran of Desean’s length in the league is that if he is on the roster for the week one game then the entire 10.5 mil becomes guaranteed. Difference is Desean want a big lump sum all at once not 500k game checks, so what likely happens in your above scenario is he will gripe every week especially on Sundays when Foles doesn’t “target” him enough while knowing full well you can cut him and still owe him 500k * leftover weeks. Once you cut him he is an unrestricted FA free to sign with any contender as a mercenary for the rest of the season (if he clears waivers) whilst still collecting his 500k * leftover weeks from the Eagles. Talk about handing him all the Leverage.

        • djack10

          what happens if he is simply made inactive game days? still gets paid one game at a time but completely wipes out his value going into any new deal with a new team, right?

          • damrvrhunter

            I guess.

  • Johnny Domino

    Woody Johnson is a buttoned-down version of Jerry Jones. Count on him to overpay.

    • Richard Colton

      That moron will overpay with $$$. Not with draft picks. I care about what DeSean can do on the field, could care less that he Iversoned his last signing bonus.

      • GEAGLE

        We needed that! So long to all the bullshit theories that he has been discovered as a master criminal around league circles that no one would touch…Howie, going to whip out that ace of spades soon..lol

        I was worried that with Irsay in rehab and us not doing business with Snyder and Jerry, teams would just out chicken Howie til we cut him…but here comes Good OL Schmuck Woody to save the day? mcKenzie and the raiders going to start squirming. Time to throw your hats in the ring boys..The Great Desean Jackson can be had, are Yous rally going to let Schmuck Woody make out like a bandit? Let the bidding begin!!! Anyone else wanna sweaten the pot? KC fat man? Carolina? Going once, going twice,,,,

        I can’t believe this dumb FOCK been at the owners meeting for two hours and he made this dumb statement, THANK YOU WOODY!!,

        • oreofestar

          I am still hoping somehow we get a first

          • GEAGLE

            We getting something….TMZ media counting on us to be mindless sheep..Howie hasn’t been played since NNamdi. Just because he won’t acknowledge a media crap storm and let them pull his strings, or acknowledge Desean passive agressive twitter tantrum, doesn’t mean he is boo boo the fool who is about to get screwed by 31 GMs…Howie was playing Possum while the everyone just lost their mind…whip that ace of spades out Howie, and get us some damn value!!!!

          • oreofestar

            This is highly unlikely but someone threw out an idea of the Jets 1st and 6th for Desean and Bryce

          • GEAGLE

            The owner is Woody, the coach is Rex, the QBs are Vick and Geno…Brains isn’t a common occurrence in that organization
            ..
            I’m telling Yous the raiders shady want Desean Bad,,,I know it!!! It’s too quiet sorrounding Oakland for that dumb franchise to stay Discaplined if they already don’t have a good base offer on the table and for Howie to be operating like he isn’t sweating anything…

          • Philly0312

            I will say this: GM is on the hot seat in Oakland. He will outbid the Jets. They also won’t worry about a restructure. A #2 from Oakland would work for me. DJax is a great player and we can’t replace him in the draft for regular season production….but after his rookie season, DJax has disappeared in almost every big game of his career…guess he blew all his clutch on the walk off punt return. But hell, for that play alone I don’t want to lose him. Greatest single play I’ve watched as an Eagles fan in 26 years of watching the Eagles. I won’t lie, this whole thing has me extremely conflicted.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t care if they keep or trade Desean as long as we are properly compensated for losing him…cutting him would be the most epic botch job ever, and I suspect Howie to be smarter then a few GMs out there

          • DharmaBum

            As much as it pains me to say it, we should just forget about a 1st…and probably a 2nd, unless there ends up being more pick/player back-and-forth included in the deal. I think the Terrelle Pryor-and-a-3rd scenario might even be wishful thinking.

          • GEAGLE

            If two or more teams want him. We will get some value out of this..,when we end up with Value for Desean,I’m going to take out a full page add on New Yorks paper thanking good OL Woody,

          • DharmaBum

            I agree, I just doubt it’ll be a 1st or a 2nd. I would LOVE to be wrong, obviously.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            We need to hope to they aren’t willing to wait until we cut him so they can work out a more favorable deal. Jax needs that money to pump into his sh*tty rappers.

          • oreofestar

            No way we cut Desean, there is no reason to

          • GEAGLE

            NOPE!!!

          • oreofestar

            We have full control of him and it will not cost us a dime to hold on to him

          • GEAGLE

            Yup…we can play this waiting game til August 30

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I mean, there is. But we all know you’re not rational about it, so there’s no sense explaining it to you.

          • oreofestar

            There really is not any reason to cut him now, you play the waiting game with some GMs and force them to hand over picks since we owe him no extra bonuses we can afford to wait this out a while, I am not being irrational

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Now? No, but if they’re set on getting rid of him and trade doesn’t come to fruition, then yes, there is.

          • oreofestar

            I think it is unlikely at this point at the longer you hold him the more likely a team will jump but if after the draft nothing happens you either decide he is not worth cutting because of how much production and value he has or you cut him anyway but I doubt they cut him and they def. won’t cut him beofre the draft

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I would hope not. Who knows at this point? Cutting him predraft and him signing elsewhere, hopefully to one of the teams projected to be looking for a WR early, could be the play Howie’s going for so he can get one of the top 3-4 WR with less competition. Again, who knows?

          • GEAGLE

            If you are going to pay Desean a new deal you probably want him in training camp. Which should work out in our favor in our game of chicken…if a team need him by the start of camp, and Howie needs him gone before September 1st, then I like our odds in a game of chicken

          • oreofestar

            I can not believe we are doing this…

          • GEAGLE

            If it’s going to go down, might as well get the proper value….

            They scared me straight with cutting him and not being compensated. That I’m in full blown trade Desean mode lol. Our front office is mâchevellian brilliant :)

          • oreofestar

            I still really want Desean :( too bad I guess….Still hoping there is a GM freaking dumb enough I would love that 18th pick

          • GEAGLE

            Well guess what…they may be willing to wait, but they just made other teams who planned on waiting us out squirmy,.,

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Maybe, maybe not. Public statements from owner about wanting the guy at the right price doesn’t equate willing to trade a pick and certainly doesn’t guarantee DJ comes to the table to renegotiate the deal if a trade can even be agreed to.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t know how you interpret “we won’t be patient” but if I take it as them possibly trading for him..other GMs who want Desean and think they can out chicken Howie til we cut him, might take it that way to

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Won’t be patient about winning. Not trading for Desean.

          • GEAGLE

            Won’t be patient comments were in context to Desean I believe, no? The entire statement was because of the Desean question..ATleast that’s how I interpreted it

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I thought I saw the context as winning the SB.

          • GEAGLE

            Why is Rotoworld reporting his entire statement under Desean trade news?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            No idea. Didn’t even look at the rotoworld post. Saw the posts someone put up on the last b247 article and the link as well. Then this article. Woody’s comments, from the things I saw, weren’t the smartest, but also weren’t overly leading. Said it’d be at the right price. I hope we get something, obviously, I just really don’t want to have high hopes for something I think is unlikely. I’d be ecstatic with a 4th right now.

            EDIT: Not sure where you got confused with the Roto post. I just checked it and it’s pretty clear: “ter his club missed the playoffs in back-to-back seasons. “I’m not going to use the word patient anymore,” he added, referring to winning. “We want to do it now.” Jackson and Eric Decker would give the Jets a formidable wideout duo for new quarterback Michael Vick.”

          • GEAGLE

            Same..they scared me straight that I’d take a 4th all day, that’s an extra Christian Kirksey or Terrence Mitchell type of pick..but I think highly of Howie so I’ll hold up hope for more value…get me an extra pick that land me Moncrief, aka Josh Gordon Jr, and I’ll forget Desean soon enough :)

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            After these last two weeks I’ve already moved on haha. It’s bad, I know, I just want these conversations over. It’s dividing a fanbase!

        • DharmaBum

          Ya know, speaking of the Raiders…I was wondering if maybe a plausible scenario might be Terelle Pryor and a pick for DeSean. Now that Vick has been ruled out, we need a vet backup, and Pryor, with his measurables, talent, and some coaching-up in Chip’s system, would seem like one of the best options out there. It makes sense…

          • GEAGLE

            For the past 3 months I been thinking we would find a way up get Prior on our roster…they don’t value him very much,shouldn’t be hard

  • Northeaster

    Trading DeSean does not make sense. Who would they possibly sign to replace him with, Santonio Holmes? Sidney Rice? The Eagles only have two legitimate WRs on the roster at the moment and one of them is injury prone and the other only avoided career backup/possibly out of football entirely status due to the former’s season ending injury in camp. Trying to draft a sure fire starting WR is difficult. Just keep DeSean

  • Brandon Boykin, LOL

    Sheil for the win with the title!

    • Richard Colton

      yeah. this is 10x more irritating than daily Vick vs. Foles.

      • oreofestar

        I know right…if DJAX is still here and nothing has been done to either negate rumors or prove them right by Wednesday Chip is gonna be destroyed by reporters

        • Brandon Boykin, LOL

          As much as I like Chip, he deserves to be destroyed for this whole thing. The man who calls every player to let them know where they stand ignoring DJax? I don’t care if you like him or not, you’ve established how you handle personnel. Everyone deserves the same treatment.

          • mksp

            We don’t know whats going on.

            The last report is that DJax hasn’t called Chip back.

          • oreofestar

            At this point every report just contradicts the last one I can’t believe anything

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            First thing we heard after the draft? He called Celek, he called Peters, [prior to draft] he called Celek because of Casey. We don’t know what’s going on, but we do know what’s not happening.

          • mksp

            You’re not paying attention to recent reports then. Derrick Gunn specifically said that DeSean has not returned Chip’s phone calls. Take it with a grain of salt, but don’t be willfully obtuse.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            And……… When the story(ies) first broke what were the reports? That Chip had not contacted DJax.

            Take it with a grain of salt, but don’t be willfully obtuse.

          • mksp

            Right, which subsequent reports….oh never mind…..

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            You may be right.

            But I’m not wiling to budge so easily because of how this has gone down. The steady leak of info? The FO being so tight lipped? Did DJax & co. overreact? We’ll probably understand once all is said and done.

          • Richard Colton

            maybe not even then. We’ll get the whole story on an ESPN 40 for 40 in fifteen years.

          • Philly0312

            Actually, within 24 hours of the rumors really heating up, there were reports that Kelly called Djax to try to assuage his fears. People “close” to Djax then stated Kelly had not called. But Gunn’s report simply confirms earlier reports that he has tried to call DJax. That said, all of it has to be taken with a grain of salt. WRs can be replaced a lot easier than a good head coach. I’ll bash Kelly once he goes 12-20 over two seasons.

          • RIP illa

            Why aren’t you an OLB anymore? So angry!!! Was talking with Billy last night and he said you were born to play the position!

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Chip Kelly preaches versatility!

          • ceedubya9

            Another one also came out that said that this wasn’t true and that DeSean still hadn’t heard anything from Chip. So many conflicting reports. Sigh…

          • DharmaBum

            He called those other players because the team had actually DONE something, i.e. drafted players at their position. Despite all the various reports, the Birds have neither said, nor actually DONE anything. Calling a position player about a draft pick is one thing, calling a guy about a rumor, is something different.

          • GEAGLE

            Think we have been pretty damn consistent in not acknowledging silly rumors our our Media’s mass hysteria…and i like that….let the media Lose their minds and act as our own smoke screen..even letting someone perceivee us as weak if it’s not the case can be an advantage. Not knowing where you really stand is always advantageous…we don’t negotiate with terrorist, and we don’t acknowledge gossipy media Bullshit! It may drive us crazy from time to time,but it’s probably the smart play….unless you want to do dumb ish like open your mouth and lose leverage like Woody did, two hours Into the owners meeting….

          • Philly0312

            Yeah, I thought Woody’s comments were dumb – he had little leverage as is. At the end of the day, no way in hell the Raiders wouldn’t go after Djax. He had to beat whatever they offer – and both offers have to have decent compensation to be viable. Still doubt a trade, as I think the Eagles want a 3rd and a player, or a 1st or second.

          • #7

            Exactly

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            You should change your name now that he is no longer with us.

          • #7

            I might…

          • GEAGLE

            Alex Henry announced he will now wear 7

          • Real

            You win most ignorant post of the day. Congratulations.

          • RIP illa

            That would be only if things are true as they stand now and if there are no damning pieces of evidence on DJax part.

        • djack10

          I’ll take Chip vs. the reporters any day. He does the destroying, not the other way around. And if these guys want to put themselves on a permanent blacklist with Chip then they can try to force the issue.

          • G_WallyHunter

            HAHA exactly, should be real fun to watch, whoever finds out when Chip is speaking, post it on here

          • oreofestar

            Sometime Wednesday

          • DharmaBum

            Hopefully, a schedule will emerge the way it did for the combine media sessions.

          • GEAGLE

            He won’t conduct himself at the owners meeting the same way that he does with our local media…he won’t be slaughtering Media members this week as much as he does in Philly…I don’t think his whipping boy Les will be there…but LaConfora just arrived in Orlando and I’m sure Chip has plenty of fire power to crush him if he choses :)

  • Pete

    Why don’t the Eagles and Jets just flip first-round picks (18 and 22?), Eagles get a third or fourth this year (Jets have multiple thirds and fourths), and some conditional pick next year? Then this mess is over, everyone gets something, including the NY media.

  • Kd711

    I just found this video from last year of DeSean losing $10,000 betting on one of his “Jaccpot records” artists in a rap battle.

    He starts out all into it doing the head bob thing and repeatedly saying “nigga” and “come on” like all good rap sidekicks do, but then he starts realizing the other rapper is way better. In the end he’s all butthurt because he knows he’s gonna lose and he walks out of the club.

    I’m not a rap fan, but I found it pretty funny/entertaining. Also just another piece of evidence that DeSean has financial and social issues.

    • Richard Colton

      “investing in up-and-coming rappers is an important part of any balanced portfolio” – Warren Buffet in an off the record interview with Derrick Gunn

      • DharmaBum

        LOL

      • Philly0312

        My favorite post of the week. You win the internet.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      This is hilarious. D-Jax’s dude gets smoked and Desean gets all butthurt and leaves early. Classic. Looks like we know where all of his money is going. Sunk it all into jewelry and bad rappers. You know Jax was pissed when his idol Vick went against him. That’s probably when he left.

    • DharmaBum

      That whole thing was hilarious. Even I didn’t think DeSean was such a bitch…

    • Joe from Easton

      This made me feel better about DJack no longer being an Eagle for many reasons.

    • Token

      embarrassing

    • GEAGLE

      After watching that trainwreck I have decided to work on my new mixtape. Can’t be hard to get some jaccpot dollars after what I just witnessed…smh

      Desean, have I told you about the fountain of youth in my basement yet?

      • RIP illa

        LOL. I loved that vid when I 1st saw it!

  • DharmaBum

    I posted this on the last story a few minutes ago, before I knew there was a new thread up. It applies to what some of you guys are talking about, so…

    At this point, after all the whining, gang sign BS, refusal to restructure, etc., my plan, if I were Howie/Chip would be this:

    Tell DeSean and his agent, Joel Segal, that they are never going to get a new or restructured deal from us, but they are free to negotiate with any other team for a new deal which would facilitate a trade, albeit a trade for what we deem appropriate compensation. We will NOT cut you.

    No? Don’t wanna do that? Ok, then we’ll keep you, so shut up, buy in COMPLETELY, and play ball.

    No? Don’t wanna do that? Ok, then sit on the bench indefinitely.

    Oh, so maybe you’ll get injured? Well, just remember, pal, it’ll be OUR doctors examining you, so don’t even think about faking anything. Besides, ya wanna talk about destroying yourself in the eyes of the NFL…

    No? Don’t like that? Wanna act up and cause a scene? OK, then we’ll suspend you without pay for “conduct detrimental to the team” to the fullest, and most frequent, extent permissible under the CBA.

    No? Don’t like that? No problem, just hold out! We’d LOVE that! We can fine you and NOT pay you at the same time! We don’t want you anyway, lol!

    Don’t worry, DeSean, it’s only two years in the prime of your career…it’ll be over before you know it! Enjoy!

    • damrvrhunter

      What are we the Bengals?

      • DmanPhilly

        It’s all one big SMOKESCREEN!

    • RIP illa

      I missed the whining on Jacksons part, I gotta pay closer attention I guess!!!

      Anyway as I said yesterday, very very few, if any, are a good look for the Eagles. You think they’re gonna hurt their own image and branding just to hurt DJax or get him to play ball??? You think DJax cares about his agent getting paid over himself getting paid???

      1) He doesn’t have to agree to be free to negotiate with another team of the Eagles choosing, That would be him giving up leverage and freedom of choice.

      2) If they don’t cut him, nor trade, he’ll still get paid and everybody is unhappy. Djax, cuz he doesn’t have any security…and the Eagles, cuz they still have to pay with him and still possibly deal with negative media attention, a negative and weak perception of the FO and club, and an unhappy player.

      3) He already did shut up and buy in COMPLETELY last year!!! This has been well documented by numerous people on numerous occasions. How would that be leverage on the Eagles part??? Did I mention…He still gets paid!!!

      4) Sitting him on bench, encompasses everything I already mentioned.

      5) He doesn’t have to fake an injury if you’re already sitting him on the bench! Either way he’s not playing and…wait for it…still getting paid!!! Plus you’re talking about a guy who was trying to avoid injury in 2011, looking out for himself, and still managed to put up very very respectable numbers. Over 900 yards. So the injury thing goes out the window, how you’re putting it, either way.

      6) Acting up and causing a scene…That’s totally dependent on what he does to act up. If he just is carrying a bad attitude and let’s it be known through interviews…they can try and suspend him. Well actually, let’s negate the try in that last sentence. So they suspend him for that (this is all assuming that he does nothing outrageous, which he never did in the past.), but now the Eagles are going to bring about more negative media attention, along with negative comments from the player’s association, along with the whole process of going through league mediation to see if it was just, which brings more negative attention, and finally the possibility and threat of a law suit!

      7) He can holdout to a certain point, which brings more negative attention and will create a huge distraction through the crucial time of OTAs and camp! He held out before and then came back before his money would be at jeopardy, so what makes you think he won’t do the same???

      SMH. There’s only two real options at this point, and a third option which is still possible, but not probable. The two options both result in the Eagles cutting their loses and moving on. Either trade him for whatever you can get, if he is so inclined to, which will most likely be next to nothing. Unless Woody loses his mind and surprises us all. And the other is to just cut him. The third is that this somehow magically gets repaired and everybody is together at the start of the season holding hands!!!

      • Adam G

        He cannot holdout and if he doesn’t behave they can just suspend him for conduct detrimental. I feel like if the Eagles play ball he will have to agree to renegotiate to facilitate a trade. He whined right after the season about his contract, remember that? Or do you have selective memory. Think he whined to Tim to be more specific.

        • RIP illa

          Son, you’re in full on Jackass mode to ask me if I have selective memory about the situation when it was clearly reported that he was asked a question of if he thought he deserved ‘more money’ and he answered it honestly by saying yes and that he deserved more security…meaning guaranteed!!!

          And yes he can holdout at the start of offseason workouts. Vet can, and a lot play that game every summer. They hold out and don’t report to camp on time until they absolutely have to. Before their wallets start getting hurt!!!

          And what does that mean if the Eagles play ball??? You do realize the Eagles playing ball would mean to give into his demands and not remove him from the team in any way???

          Seriously…where do you guys get this shit from!!!

          • Adam G

            Except he doesn’t deserve more money. He is paid accordingly, and even too much(which is shown by the lact of interest to trade by other teams). His agent thinks he does, maybe because he only gets paid with a new contract. And no, he cannot holdout, he can get fined 30k a day if he does. You just sound like an idiot saying he can.

          • RIP illa

            Did you just come at me for something and now when all that is properly refuted, you decide to try and completely change the argument??? Stop it!!!

            Just cuz you don’t think he deserves the money, does not make it so for every other team. If reports are true, the Eagles started this ordeal with very little leverage to begin with. Now that the once mentioned report of Djax could probably be cut by us…now that it’s playing out, of course teams are not going to be chomping at the bit and jockeying for position to trade with us.

            “He can holdout to a certain point”!!! I believe that’s what I originally wrote and what you originally failed to read!!! Followed up by, “And yes, he can holdout for the start of offseason workouts” They both allude to the same thing, which is the fact that he can indeed holdout up until the point in which he is in danger of being fined!!!
            SMH.

          • Adam G

            First off, that’s not holding out, not going to OTAs. Literally, in the CBA, HOLDOUTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. Fined by 30k a day. So you cannot holdout, not sort of, not kind of, you can’t hold out.

          • RIP illa

            So you can’t hold out at all…But if you hold out, you are fined???
            See what I did there???

          • Adam G

            Dude, of course. The fact you are even saying that shows how wrong you were. You’re right, you meant that Desean would fork over 30k a day to hold out. The eagles would welcome that. Come on man. You’re really grasping. You were wrong, face it.

          • RIP illa

            Ok…I’ll take this slowly. I agree that he can get fined for holding out. I have never disputed that. In fact I clearly stated that.

            You’re issue is with the fact that I said he can holdout for the start of offseason which you say are not holdouts. Just the fact that he’s not showing up?!

            “He can holdout to a certain point, which brings more negative attention and will create a huge distraction through the crucial time of OTAs and camp!

            You also take issue with that?!
            So you’re only argument for anything I wrote, well only quasi legit argument, is an issue of semantics???
            Ok you win…I was so wrong. Nobody can Holdout, unless they Holdout!!! And I should not have said that him not showing up for the start of the offseason, is holding out! I give up.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Dude, you’re so dumb :)

          • Adam G

            Any thing that you suggest HE WOULD NEVER DO. I “can” kill somebody, but not really. Anybody can do anything. He would never never never give up 30k a day to holdout. You do understand he still would need to find another team to sign him. You think this looks good? Your logic is completely flawed.

          • RIP illa

            I know I said I give up, but you just went full retard! I did not say nor did I suggest that “He would never do”. I gave counterpoints, and backed them up with past actions and/or reasoning of why he DOES NOT HAVE TO DO things in the certain way they were suggested to play out. I also was pointing out how the Eagles have very little leverage over him as it stands. That was the main point…I could have swore that would have been clear to all, but maybe my writing is just that damn vague.

            So yes anybody can do anything…I fail to see how I implied, or stated otherwise. Your whole last response reads like I’m saying he should just holdout without consequence, or consequence be damned! Do you not understand the phrase “to a certain” point”??? That point would be to the point just before he gets fined! How is that advocating or suggesting that he holds out and gives up 30k a day???

            Do you even understand what you’re trying to argue anymore??? Cuz I sure as hell don’t!!! If another commenter, who has read, or is reading this, understands what the F’n point this dude is trying to make…Can you PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!!

            Lastly, “the good look point” you’re trying to make is a really horrible one!!! Throughout the years, there have been plenty of players who have held out and not only had to find another team to sign them, but did so and got paid. Hell even this offseason it happened. Ever heard of Jarius Byrd!!!

            EDIT: Once again, I’m not implying for DJax to holdout!!! Just to be clear!!! :-{

          • Adam G

            Dude, again, I will point this out so you understand it. There is no holding out without getting fined. You are saying a course of action that doesn’t exist. The “certain point” of not getting fined is wait for it, NOT HOLDING OUT. Again your lack of knowledge shines through with Byrd. He held out because he wasn’t under contract. Learn facts. Can’t get fined unless you are under contract.

          • RIP illa

            LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            You’re amazing

          • Adam G

            Nice comeback!!!

          • DharmaBum

            I don’t have a horse in this “hold out race”, but I know that players can be fined for the portion of OTAs that are mandatory. I know Cedric Benson was threatened with around $100K worth of fines for 6 missed OTAs back in ’08. Of course, training camp definitely carries fines for non-attendance, and they can be steep. A month at $30K a day, is nothing to sneeze at, especially for someone with the rumored cash-flow problems of a DeSean Jackson.

          • RIP illa

            I did not know that about Benson, I wonder if that’s a team mandated fine or CBA mandated? Either way I still maintain, that I agree that any player can get fined for holding out. I guess the issue is of when I think the holdout begins vs when AG thinks it begins. I guess…this ish went all over the place!!!

          • DharmaBum

            Actually, the team may have some discretion on the amount of the mandatory OTA fines, but I think the CBA prescribes the TC fines. Not positive about how that’s set up.

          • DharmaBum

            The thing is, so many of the players who choose to hold out are actually not under contract, e.g. someone who has been franchise tagged, but hasn’t signed it yet. That is what happened with Byrd. In that case, they can hold out all the way through TC and no fines.

          • Adam G

            Yes I mentioned that. Desean cannot really holdout. The new CBA really took the teeth out of a holdout. Of course he “can”, but he would lose money on both his fines and future contract.

          • DharmaBum

            Right, because he’s under contract. As soon as he starts not abiding by the terms of the CBA mandated team activities, be it mandatory OTAs or TC, or ANYTHING really, he faces fines. That was what I meant in my original rant when I said that if he holds out, especially into the season, not only will we be able to not pay him his game checks, but we could fine him, AND go after recovering portions of his signing bonus. No way he can hold out. Besides all of that, it would be professional suicide in the eyes of every other team.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Fines don’t start until the 6th day of a holdout.

          • DharmaBum

            Does that start at mandatory OTAs, TC, or the season…or is it cumulative?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Training camp. Any OTA fines would be based on contract language.

          • DharmaBum

            Yeah, I suspected that OTA fines carried some contract-based guidelines. Now that I think of it, I do remember talk of deadlines about a week into TC when discussing hold out players. Thanks!

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, my Byrd point was made to strictly contradict, the “good look” and finding another team points he brought up he brought up. Had nothing to do with whether anybody was under contract or not.

          • DharmaBum

            Actually, I didn’t read through your whole debate (and I’m not gonna, lol), hence me not having a horse in that race. I only knew it had to do with hold outs, so I pointed out some of the finer points of them.

          • Adam G

            The new CBA allows a 30k a day fine for anything mandatory, no fines for anything non mandatory if under contract. That’s why sconces was not fined, and that’s why Byrd was not fined, because he hadn’t signed his franchise tender yet. Desean “cannot” holdout because it would do nothing for him except lose him money. It certainly is not considered holding out if you miss OTAs. Did anybody think sconces was holding out?

          • DharmaBum

            Exactly right. Most OTAs are voluntary, but some are allowed to be mandatory, per the CBA, and they carry the same potential fine that training camp sessions do..again, per the CBA.

          • Adam G

            Sorry, meant to clarify the last sentence as optional OTAs.

          • RIP illa

            Sorry…Not showing up to work. Better???

          • DharmaBum

            So, what you’re saying is, that everyone who is asked a question by a third party, about a relationship they are in, be it business or personal, MUST answer with brutal honesty, regardless of the impact it might have on that relationship. Do you mean that you’ve never been pissed at your gf/wife or even your boss, and held your tongue a bit about the subject when discussing it with a third party? That’s just the prudent and mature thing to do, especially when most of the things we get pissed about in those situations end up getting resolved in the end anyway. Unless of course, we open our stupid, f**king mouths…

          • RIP illa

            I’m saying right F’n now…get off your moral high horse about how the man answered a question about his own damn money. Seriously…the high road??? Who are you to judge??? I will say that it could have been answered differently and at a better time, but it wasn’t !!! And I’ll be damned if I hold that against any player. Did he go overboard with it…No. Did he talk dirty about the organization…No. Did he later clarify, although he shouldn’t have had to…Yes. Do some of you need to vilify him so damn bad so this can fit into your thought on making sense??? If he is the villain in this whole situation…I’m sure it will come out in time. But talking about the Question and answer and renaming it as whining is a tad bit ridiculous!

          • DharmaBum

            Listen, I’m not here to argue with you, but plenty of other players have been asked similar questions in similar situations and have chosen not to stoke the flames. It’s not a moral high horse to expect maturity from a player with whom a team is making that sizable an investment. Show up, play hard, and don’t be a turd. He has failed to do EACH of those things at one time or another during his time here. That is a fact.

          • RIP illa

            Agreed. He has done all that you say he has, at one point or another throughout his career. That’s why it’s not a far off notion that the organization already had it in their minds to get rid of him this year, and even last. Also each and every time he has failed to live up to some of our expectations, he has comeback and proven that he can be how some of us want him to be. Me…I don’t care!!! I accept who he is and what he does on the field and off (cuz there are not too many damning reports of horrid off field behavior). This past season was everything some of us all wanted from him…well more of everything than not. Yet it seems as if when something quasi questionable comes up, and something that’s not a huge deal…Some project all of the past screw ups and thrust them into the present situation, and kind of blow it out of proportion..ie, answering a question about his money. So yes, Djax does play a big part in the perception, magnification, and sometimes…overreaction, but it still remains an overreaction.

          • DharmaBum

            Hey, I’ve cheered him for years, even as I cringe at his behavior, both on and off the field. I want him here, although I was pretty convinced that this coming year would be his last anyway. I think the fact that he displayed a much lesser connection — as well as less production — with Foles than he did with Vick, could be a factor in their wanting to move on now, as opposed to next offseason. Bottom line, I don’t want us to release him and get nothing, especially if it will be because HE forces that outcome. My prior post was just a reflection of my willingness to do almost anything to prevent that from happening.

          • Kev_H

            Apparently hitting free agent eligibility and earning far beyond what most NFL players will ever earn wasn’t enough security for Jackson. I doubt there is a realistic NFL contract that can offer him enough money so that he can be financially secure.

          • RIP illa

            Perhaps, but that’s besides the point of it all.

          • Kev_H

            Not when you are managing a roster and the amount you can spend on players every year is somewhat fixed. If the $10 million he is due next year isn’t enough to make him happy an increase comes at the expense of his teammates. If they think the guy deserves it, no problem. If they don’t, big problem.

          • RIP illa

            No I guess not then it isn’t. However it is besides the point when someone is saying that a person is whining instead of answering a question honestly in which they were asked…Right???

          • RIP illa

            I hope we find out. But it is sad that we couldn’t make it work with him or vice versa. Right now there are to many reports saying that it’s on the Eagles, but the speculation that he and his agent could have created this mess could have some merit. We’ll just wait and see.

          • Eagles1018

            It is sad, yet I agree with the eagles being silent if this is in fact a creation of this shit storm by deseans camp. I wouldn’t come out and say it’s false because it makes you look vulnerable to the players whims and makes his value diminish in a trade. Also the league seriously doesn’t want to deal with a diva in the locker room. Nobody wants locker room bs. Look at the example the dolphins set this past season. Also, someone mentioned TO earlier. He’s a freak athlete even today. But nobody wanted to give him a chance because he’s a cancer. Once the truth of the eagles having their hands tied with rumors comes to the surface I can assure you the league will take notice and the GMs will see him as a problem. Notice the 9ers gm went on record saying they had no interest in him even though “sources” say they do. I’m gonna take the GMs word for it on that one

      • DharmaBum

        First of all, he’s been whining in some form or another since he got here…let’s be real.

        OK, 1) I didn’t say he had to negotiate with a team of our choosing. If he is the WR that he thinks he is, it naturally follows that he would have his choice of teams who would want him. If he works out a deal with that team, then his sheer value (in his eyes) would be enough for said team to send us a pick.

        2) If we keep him, we play him. If that doesn’t work out, it will be his fault, for all to see. He will then be benched or suspended.
        3)Yes, he shut up last year, but less than 48 hours after the season ended, he un-shut-up. And don’t drag that tired crap out about, “he was just answering a question posed to him”.Plenty of other guys, high character guys, who would love a new contract, have been asked the same question and elected to take the high road, and/or say that they leave things like that up to their agents. He most certainly DID NOT take the high road. He’s NEVER been down the high road in his life.
        4) If he sits on the bench, he will most assuredly lose his cool and do something that would get him suspended. And to the extent that it is permissible under the CBA…no pay.
        5) I was referring to an injury in practice or training camp.
        6)As far as a hold out goes, he gets fined for every day out…and not pennies.

        Listen, I know what I posted is a bit unreasonable. And I know it’s almost impossible. Call me spiteful, but this kid has been nothing but ungrateful and immature his entire career. If we paid him $20M/year, he would still find a reason to think he was either underpaid, underutilized, or underappreciated. I mean, is that really up for debate? Seriously? Please, someone step up and explain how that’s wrong.

        No one has jumped up and down higher or harder than I, watching DeSean’s exploits on the field. He has brought me a lot of joy over the past few years. I don’t want to see him go. But if it is to be, then so be it. It will not be the end of the world. I actually see the sense in it, from a football and business perspective. What I won’t do, however, is be held hostage by a kid who we’ve had to coddle and handle with kid gloves every year. Either he plays ball and facilitates a trade or he stays. If I am the FO, I would not release him under any circumstances….at least not THIS offseason.

        • RIP illa

          “Listen, I know what I posted is a bit unreasonable. And I know it’s almost impossible. Call me spiteful,

          Although I do not mean this in a way to infringe on your right to post but…That’s it right there, nothing else need be said.

          And the organization is not being held hostage. That’s why there’s the very real option to cut him. They would be held hostage if they were to be doing everything to keep him, which by all accounts, they are not.

          • DharmaBum

            Well, held hostage in the sense that he seems to think he will force us to let him go with no compensation.

      • Richard Colton

        You know it sucks when the only positive outcome for us requires magic. Damn Illadelph. Ruined my Sunday.

        Any chance this whole thing was manufactured by Howie to stop us from talking about Earl Thomas and Jarius Byrd?

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          If so, it’s been executed flawlessly. I’m not even mad about letting Byrd go to the Saints anymore.

        • damrvrhunter

          I lolled so hard!!!

        • RIP illa

          LMAO…If it was manufactured by Howie for those reasons, I would have a whole new level of respect for him. That’s some evil genius ish right there. The student would have surpassed the teacher (Banner). Sorry for ruining it for you, but so many people are broaching delusional right now.

    • Scott J

      Please give advice to Jerry Jones and not the Eagles. You two should hit it off.

      • OldDocRoss

        Jerry would’ve long ago signed him up for seven years at $13m per, most of it guaranteed.

        And would now be looking to restructure that deal for the second or third year in a row to clear some cap space.

        • RIP illa

          LOL.

    • ohitsdom

      In what way has DeSean not bought in? Why should he restructure to be dealt to another team? No incentive for him. There has been no good argument to trade him, let alone cut him. Ok, so he doesn’t have a great relationship with Bicknell- so you cut him?!

      • DharmaBum

        As far as the contract part, perhaps he could keep his 10.5M/year but have the new team restructure it to convert it to more guaranteed money by agreeing to make a sizable portion of it into a bonus this year. If we cut him and tear up his contract, I doubt he will get north of 7.5/year, and who knows how much guaranteed. How do I know? Because if a team was willing to pay him 10.5M/year, they would just trade for him right now, since none of that deal is guaranteed. Make sense? I mean, who knows, maybe he gets 8-8.5M on the open market, but if he’s cut, he will be making less per year on whatever contract he signs…that’s a given.

        • Adam G

          I completely agree, but that’s not what his agent is probably telling him. Even if the new contract is smaller, his agent only makes money on a new contract. I don’t see him currently getting a better contract than Eric Decker if he’s released. At most I feel like he gets a one year prove it deal.

          • DharmaBum

            Ahh, no doubt. Segal gets nothing in the event of a trade, unless it’s a sign-and-trade, or a new deal with the new team. If we trade him and his contract as-is, he gets nada. He’s not gonna sit there, giving free advice during this whole thing, and then sit around for the next two years of this contract…ain’t happening’.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, and who has his ear? Who do you think told him he should rework his contract?

    • Kev_H

      The problem is no team will offer him what he is due under his Eagle contract. Not even AAV for a one year show-me deal. In the scenario above, you’re stuck with him for good or bad and all that entails.

    • Johnny Domino

      He could dodge any fines if he just tells Chip he was sconce shopping.

    • Eagles1018

      I’d love to think THIS is Howie behind closed doors but his public persona leads me to think he’s more like that kid in school that got tripped and had his lunch money stolen everyday.

  • Real

    Why are people saying “I can’t wait to bash chip kelly”

    Really? Really?

    Nothing has happened yet. NOTHING, just speculation, conjecture and rumor. This guy has come in, with howie’s help and transformed the culture and attitude of this team. In his first year delt with many issues, and all the while leading them to the nfc east title. I just guess some of you are “in love with” Desean and can’t help yourselves, and I guess people have to do something without real football going on.

    • GEAGLE

      We are a dumb fan base, and our media is a bunch of gossiping woman,..have you been living under a rock? This is the reality of loving this team

  • jon h

    Can’t see the Eagles cutting him for nothing.

  • Weapon Y

    Rex is a total player’s coach. DeSean would probably love playing for him.

  • oreofestar

    If the Jets get Desean with Desean, Vick and Decker they would actually have a legitimate offense to go with a pretty good defense

    • Token

      People will never ever learn with Vick.

      • oreofestar

        I mean at least Geno or 1/2 a season with Vick would have some legit weapons in Decker, Hil, Kurly, Jackson and whover the hell they draft

      • anon

        no good options. rex is the opposite of chip, only sees defense. as much as they need a qb/wr rex is going to improve the d before anything else.

  • James

    Why aren’t people more concerned with the potential situation where instead of being able to focus solely on our terrible defense, we may have to waste a first round pick on a WR that we “hope” will be as productive and as much of a threat as Jackson? The whole idea of trading or cutting him is ridiculous, why create another need in the draft? We have the cap space, we know he produces, just keep him and concerntrate on improving our defense.

    • Richard Colton

      Mostly because with or without DeSean there isn’t a “need” at WR that the draft can fill. No matter what happens with #10 in the next few days and weeks, the Eagles approach to the 22nd pick won’t change. We may keep him and still take WR. We may cut him and draft defense.

      • James

        If Jackson leaves how is there not a ‘need’ at WR? What if Maclin isn’t half the player he was before the injury? Cooper is not a number 1. Whether they address it in the first round or not they do create a need that wasn’t there previously and that’s just plain stupid.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          No idea if Maclin is or isn’t the player he was before until the season starts. As of now, they think they have a good idea of where he’s at and how he’ll project. They know Cooper isn’t a #1. They likely feel good enough with or without Desean that they can stick to the BPA strategy, which they’d likely do with or without a healthy Maclin, anyway.

          • anon

            if an OL or a DL is the best player available at 22 eagles aren’t chosing him.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I would say that depends on their grades on the the players. If said OL/DL is graded significantly higher than the next highest graded player on their board, I’d think they would. However, I think they probably have tiers or groups, not just a Kiper Big Board.

          • Richard Colton

            And if a tier one guy, like Lewan, Martin, or Tuitt (sake of argument here Nick – I like Martin for the Eagles a lot and who knows how their board will look?) falls. I’d rather have him over a WR I don’t rate as highly – M.Lee for example.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Kinda what I was getting at. Realized after writing I didn’t really make a point with the tiers, but, yes, I agree. Say Cooks/KB/Evans are gone, yeah, I’ll take one of those if a trade back isn’t available. However, I’d still try to trade back a few spots so I can try for ODB. Just because I like it raw.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d rank them: Evans/ODB/chasm/KB/Cook but the Eagles haven’t asked for my opinion yet. nor have they returned my calls.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            They’re D-Jax’n ya…. For me, I’d probably have to say it’s Evans then take your pick with next three. I’m not getting mad with any of them. I’ve been on the KB wagon for a while because the dude’s a touchdown machine, but Cooks is the most ready of the four I think.

          • RIP illa

            Can’t we just draft Shazier with the 22, so nobody is happy but me? I see this as the compromise. We get a really good player that gets to sit on the bench, ala Martin. And we don’t have to take a WR who may not be rated as highly, just cuz of need.

          • Richard Colton

            LOL. You’re the only guy who likes Shazier. How about we draft your boy Kony instead? Think everyone will like that pick.
            And for what its worth – I think Martin beats out Herremans in camp. 48 hurries last year – not good.

          • RIP illa

            I’m down for that too, but there’s a lot of dudes who want nothing to do with “4-3 DE Ealy”. And yeah as I was writing my response, I was thinking about him beating out Todd the whole time.

          • Richard Colton

            You can’t say that with any certainty. Nobody’s rooting for OL/DL/CB – but I’d rather have a solid player at one of those positions than a bust at OLB or WR.

          • RIP illa

            Wait a min…I thought you were rooting for OL, WR, OL, anybody on D? :-)

          • Richard Colton

            Im rooting for good players. Bonus if they happen to play OLB/ILB/WR

        • anon

          even if he is he doesn’t have as much upside as jackson.

        • Richard Colton

          If Jackson leaves there’s a gaping hole at #1 WR. Agreed. Just know it won’t affect what they do in round one. I would love to see Jackson stay AND a first round WR.

    • ceedubya9

      They won’t need to, per say. But, with WR being a very likely BPA candidate at 22, then that probably makes drafting one at that spot even more likely than it was before.

  • barneygoogle

    Last time I looked DeSean is under contract with the Eagles. The Jets owner should not be giving details on what it might take to sign him. Tampering? What pick do we get for that?

  • PhillySean

    Some of the stuff that has come up gave me a bit of a flash back….
    anyone recall the trashing that Jerome Brown got in Philly papers following Buddy Ryan’s departure?

  • FMWarner

    This is comical. I can’t even believe it’s actually happening. Reminds me of how wars start over a couple of misunderstandings that snowball until something nonexistent becomes something real.

    • Richard Colton

      so that’s how wars start?

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        As long as it’s not started in Asia.

        • RIP illa

          Same with you LAMG…Help me out with Adam G please? I just need some outside perspective, cuz I gotta be missing something.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I’d leave it alone, but I’ll try re-reading them. They’re long and convoluted.

          • RIP illa

            Extremely. Thanks

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            6 Days. But here’s the whole part of the CBA for all our benefits:

            (a) Forfeitable Breach. Any player who (i) willfully fails to report, practice or play with the result that the player’s ability to fully participate and contribute to the team is substantially undermined (for example, without limitation, holding out or leaving the squad absent a showing of extreme personal hardship); or (ii) is unavailable to the team due to conduct by him that results in his incarceration; or (iii) is unavailable to the team due to a nonfootball injury that resulted from a material breach of Paragraph 3 of his NFL Player Contract; or (iv) voluntarily retires (collectively, any “Forfeitable Breach”) may be required to forfeit signing bonus, roster bonus, option bonus and/or reporting bonus, and no other Salary, for each League Year in which a Forfeitable Breach occurs (collectively, “Forfeitable Salary Allocations”), as set forth below:

            (i) Training Camp. If a player commits a Forfeitable Breach resulting in his absence for six preseason days after the start of training camp, the player may be required to forfeit up to 15% of his Forfeitable Salary Allocations, and up to an addition­ al 1 % of his Forfeitable Salary Allocations for each additional preseason day missed after the six days, up to a maximum of 25% of his Forfeitable Salary Allocations. A player who misses five days or less of training camp may not be subject to forfeiture.

            (ii) Continuing Violation. If a player commits a Forfeitable Breach result- ing in his absence from training camp and such absence continues into the regular season, in addition to the maximum forfeiture permitted by Subsection (i) above, the player may be required to forfeit an additional 25% of the remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations upon missing the first regular season game. If such absence continues beyond the fourth week of the regular season, the player may be required to forfeit up to

            12his remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations on a proportionate weekly basis (i.e., one­ seventeenth for each missed regular season week after the fourth week).

            (ii)i Regular Season. If the player is not subject to Subsection (ii) above, and commits a Forfeitable Breach for the first time that League Year during the regular sea­ son, the player may be required to forfeit up to twenty-five percent (25%) of his Forfeitable Salary Allocations upon missing his first regular season game. If player’s Forfeitable Breach continues beyond four (4) consecutive weeks, then player may be required to forfeit up to his remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations on a proportionate weekly basis (i.e., one-seventeenth for each missed regular season week after the fourth week).

            (iv) Postseason. For the period following the Club’s last regular season game through the Club’s last postseason game, a player who commits a Forfeitable Breach during such period may be required to forfeit up to 25% of his Forfeitable Salary Alloca­ tions for that League Year, subject to Subsection (d) below.

            (v) Second Forfeitable Breach. If the player commits an initial Forfeitable Breach (including a Forfeitable Breach in training camp) and then commits a second Forfeitable Breach during the regular season or postseason in the same League Year, the player may be required to forfeit immediately the entirety of his remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations for that League Year.

            (vi) Retirement. Should a Forfeitable Breach occur due to player’s retire- ment, a Club may demand repayment of all Forfeitable Salary Allocations attributable to the proportionate amount, if any, for the present year and the Forfeitable Salary Alloca­ tions for future years. If the player fails to repay such amounts, then the Club may seek an award from the System Arbitrator pursuant to Article 1 5, for repayment of all Forfeit­

            able Salary Allocations attributable to present and future years. Repayment of Forfeitable Salary Allocations attributable to future League Years must be made by June 1st of each League Year for which each Forfeitable Salary Allocation is attributable. If the player returns to play for the Club in the subsequent season, then the Club must either (a) take the player back under his existing contract with no forfeiture of the remaining Forfeita­ ble Salary Allocations, or (b) release the player and seek repayment of any remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations for future League Years.

            Forfeitable Salary Allocations. For the purposes of this Section, the term “Forfeitable Salary Allocations” means: (i) for signing bonus, the Salary Cap alloca­ tion for the player’s signing bonus for that League Year; and (ii) for roster, option and reporting bonuses that are earned in the same League Year as the Forfeitable Breach, the allocation of such bonus for that League Year, out of the total amount of such bonus as allocated over that League Year and any remaining League Years in the player’s contract, notwithstanding the Salary Cap treatment of such bonuses. For example, without limita­ tion, if a player has a $1 million roster bonus that is earned in the same year the player committed a Forfeitable Breach, then, regardless of when that roster bonus is to be paid, that bonus is attributable to the same year as the Forfeitable Breach; if the player has that year and one additional year remaining on his contract, then $500,000 of the roster bo­ nus will be allocated to each of those years for purposes of any potential forfeiture calculation. If the Forfeitable Breach occurs in the second League Year in this example

            13

            (b)

            (i.e., the League Year after the roster bonus in this example is earned), there shall be no forfeiture of any portion of such roster bonus.

            (c) Proportionate Forfeiture. For purposes of this Section, a “proportio- nate” amount means one-seventeenth of the Forfeitable Salary Allocations for that League Year for each regular season week missed.

            (d) Maximum Forfeitable Salary. Under this Section, and without limita- tion, under no circumstances may a player be required to forfeit more than 100% of his Forfeitable Salary Allocations for each League Year in which he commits a Forfeitable Breach. With respect to roster bonus, option bonus and reporting bonus, a forfeiture may only occur if the Forfeitable Breach occurs in the same League Year in which the bonus is scheduled to be earned.

          • RIP illa

            Thank you!!!
            Adam G…I’ll wait for your apology :-)

          • LookinAtMyGucci
          • RIP illa

            Thanx again. There’s a part about Vet with 4 years accrued vs the opposite when it comes to roster or signing bonuses that I’m not sure about.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Hm, I know what you’re talking about it. I’m curious…

          • Adam G

            That’s BREACH, not fining. There is also this for penalties:

            Unexcused late reporting for or absence from preseason training camp

            by a player under contract except those signed as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to

            Article 9-fine of $30,000 per day. For this Subsection and Subsection (vii) below, pre­

            season training camp shall be defined as the period beginning with the first day of a

            Club’s training camp through the final preseason roster reduction date.

            Anytime RIP you want to just admit you’re wrong would be great.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Did you see that part under the definition of breach where it mentions holding out?

          • Adam G

            Yes, but forfeiting salary due to a breach is different than fining. The fining of 30k a day happens per day and immediately.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Did you read the definitions? It’s not about salary, but bonuses.

          • Adam G

            Yes, but my point was RIP’s point about Desean was idiotic and not possible. He cannot holdout without losing money, that’s all I said. RIP maintained he could holdout, which is not an option. So you proved my point, which of course RIP thought proved his point because he couldn’t figure it out. Point being, Desean cannot holdout without incurring massive financial burdens.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            He can. For five days. That’s the point. Day six starts whatever fines and losses.

          • Adam G

            LOOK AT PAGE 180. You want me to copy and paste? You only listed forfeiture. On page 180 THEY LIST PENALTIES. Please read that before continuing. This is getting tiring. You cannot miss one day or one meeting without getting fined.

            There is a huge difference between forfeiting salary and being fined due to a penalty.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            That’s just the maximum allowable discipline. Starts when it’s a breach, as defined above.

          • Adam G

            Listen, I would love to make a wager, and I personally would wager any amount of money to one dollar. As soon as you miss one ANYTHING you are allowed to be fined. Please do some research than get back, I’m begging you. Google anything you want, please. It does not start as a breach, FORFEITING SALARY start. That’s not the same as fining. Please please please google. YOU CANNOT HOLDOUT ONE DAY WITHOUT LOSING MONEY.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Okay, I see what you’re saying. However, you should be aware that there are plenty of instances where the fines weren’t actually collected by the team upon the player ending holdout, such as MJD. So, while you’re right, the team has to actually collect, which isn’t a guarantee, but still a risk for the player.

          • Adam G

            They actually chose to do that. They basically excused him. The team holds almost all the cards these days. If the eagles want to keep him he HAS to play under his current contract. Him holding out any time is just not an option.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yeah, players really got effed. What I found interesting was the $470/lb fine for being overweight.

          • Adam G

            It’s crazy the players agreed to this CBA. There are so many things that are awful for them. If you are stuck in an awful situation under contract, it really is hard to get out of it.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I mean, I don’t think it’s that huge of a deterrent if you really want new dollars and you’re a vet. For a rookie it means more. It jumps another $10k in 2016.

          • RIP illa

            So if he decides to skip voluntary workouts/voluntary minicamps, which by almost all reported accounts aren’t really voluntary at all, and/or OTAs but shows up to the mandatory minicamps…Is that not up to a certain point???

          • Adam G

            That’s not holding out. Sconces did that. He missed some absurd amount of OTAs and wasn’t fined bc its not allowed. One more time for you, holding out is not an option without being fined. Just admit it please so we can move on. This is stupid

          • RIP illa

            Yes he did. Yet, he did so not because of contractual issues he was having with the team. So we are back to semantics again…to which I already had said, semantics was the issue!!! To which I later deferred and even changed to say, “not showing up for work”. Jesus!!!

          • Adam G

            Come on, you are really grasping now. This isn’t semantics. Djax cannot holdout without incurring serious financial penalties. It’s not happening. Eagles hold all the cards. End of story.

          • RIP illa

            OK. I’m grasping and you win!!! We’ll ignore anything and everything else except for holdout v not showing up for work. You are great!!! There’s your pat on the back.

          • RIP illa

            HaHa…I just caught that last line. So I’ll say it again. You were right!!!! Happy??? Anytime you wanna own up to the other things you were wrong about would be great also. However, it won’t be expected.

          • oreofestar

            Aaaah know you weren’t talking to me but this is def. something I woud like to see

          • Adam G

            Ha, funny, you can’t even read. That’s for forfeiture of salaries and bonuses, look at page 180, he can be fined 30k per training camp day missed, 10k per day for preseason mandatory ota, and 9400 for any mandatory meeting, meal, etc. Any day. So dumb.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            He was right. Sorry bud.

          • RIP illa

            Perhaps, but the way I understand and read it was that a player gets fined 30k for missing TC and also gets fined a maximum fine of $1770 for missing mandatory mini-camp.
            That does not account for voluntary workouts and/or voluntary mini-camp (or maybe they are one in the same) nor OTAs.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I think OTAs are mandatory unless excused. Could be wrong there, too. But fines start immediately for late reporting, and apparently did under the old CBA, but it used to be $14k. So the $30k stings much more. The caveat is that the club has the option to not collect it, which in holdouts, it often doesn’t. For instance, MJD never paid $1.2mil in his holdout fines.

          • RIP illa

            Nope, there’s different language separating OTAs and mini-camps. But yes, a lot of the time clubs do waive the fines. I finally went through and re-read the exchange between me and him, finally for the umpteenth time, and figured out his “gotcha moment”. Other than that it was just semantics in which he’s clinging on to.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Either way, starting between day one and day six is $150k difference. Not a huge sum if you’re in it for the long haul. I don’t think it’s the deterrent it comes off as knowing that. Means more for rookies than vets. The fine jumps to $40k in 2016.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah there’s been some articles about how it doesn’t affect Vets in the way the owners would hope and how it’s most of the time in the Vets best interest to be in it for the long haul. Well if they are truly good at what they do and their team can’t easily replace them.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yeah, and now I get what Adam’s saying in that the Eagles have all the cards. He’s never going to see more than 10.5 on the open market, and holding out for a new deal is stupid if he’s on the team come training camp, since he’s slated to get 10.5.

          • RIP illa

            Yup. But I think it’s still an undesirable option, but option nonetheless. This is all assuming that we try and hold on to him for some reason, which I don’t think we will, and would be his nuclear option. Anyway as I was saying before this whole argument…cut your loses and move on at this point.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I was just about to edit before I saw your response. If anything, DJ should be blowin’ up Howie and Chip trying to stay to see those dollars. Obv, at this point, he’s gone, but I’d be trying if I saw the market for receivers.

          • Adam G

            As I said below, that’s FORFEITURE and BREACH. He can be FINED 30k a day immediately. So its not 6 days,

      • RIP illa

        Can you help me out and take a look at my post war with Adam G and tell me where I’m going wrong? I feel like I’m going crazy talking to that kid!

        • Richard Colton

          I wouldn’t take it personally. Adam’s just in a perpetually bad mood. He hasn’t realized he’s Token’s illegitimate kid yet.

          • RIP illa

            LOL

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Or did he?

  • anon

    CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports the Seahawks and 49ers are “among the teams” showing interest in DeSean Jackson.

    La Canfora confirms Philly has “stepped up efforts” to deal Jackson, “shopping him to several teams.” La Canfora also reports “several” NFL general managers expect the Eagles to ultimately release D-Jax.

  • GEAGLE

    The cap has to be a figment of my imagination. How the hell do the Seahawks have cap space? wtf I know their QB is making peanuts but look at that damn roster

    • oreofestar

      They got rid of Clemons who basically paid for Bennett, Bryant and Rice were huge cap reliefs and M iller took a cut plus Sherman, Wilson, and Thomas are making nothing (well Thomas is still making 4mil but that is still low)

    • Adam G

      That’s what happens when you draft that well.

  • Double Deuce

    Stop the madness……

  • ACViking

    When Roseman cut the 2012 4-year contract with Jackson, he — and the rest of management — knew that Maclin’s agreement would be coming up for a decision during this off-season.
    After the 2011 season, before Roseman made the Jackson deal, Maclin looked like a riser at WR. Not at the Calvin Johnson/Fitz/Andre Johnson level, but among the very best No. 2 WRs in the NFL.
    From a numbers standpoint, it seems that Roseman planned on addressing Jackson’s contract one way or another this off-season when he structured it after 2011 — either redone or removed from the books.
    Following Reid’s departure, Jackson — sources claim — went on the trading block. He’s apparently not what Kelly wants in a WR.
    On the other hand, Kelly was happy to have Riley Cooper . . . a 4th stringer before this year. But he’s big, fast enough, and not just a willing blocker but a very effective blocker.
    What kind of numbers would Maclin have posted in 2013 if (1) he wasn’t injured, and (2) he took over the No. 1 WR position after a Jackson trade?
    Bottom line for me . . . who knows what the hell is going on or why it’s going on.
    Kelly’s not a Jackson guy, apparently. And with Reid’s departure, Jackson’s not needed here anymore.
    Or something . . . .
    _______________
    GEAGLE — Keep the commentary flowing. On board 100% with the Kirksey opinion, especially if the Birds get a promising pass rusher in this draft.

    • DharmaBum

      Agreed. I think if Maclin hadn’t been injured in training camp last year, we might have seen them make the Jackson trade before opening day.

  • oreofestar

    I am really pissed about this whole thing but my hope is that we still get a 1st some way so we would have 2 I still look at the Jets roster and their management and say this is a team that could totally end up coughing up a first

  • oreofestar

    Hmmm Lot of guys I like would love to 1st round picks and I know if Desean had a lower salary we could easily get one

    • anon

      You know that? In the best / deepest wr class in years someone is going to give a first to take $10m for a wr w an attitude? Isn’t that exactly why were getting rid of him?

      • oreofestar

        Well…I don’t know anything nobody does but I at least think if Desean had A LOWER salary we coud get a first but what the hell do i KNOW anyway

  • Kd711

    Raiders QB Matt Schaub restructured deal with OAK, lowering base salary and cap # this year; still can earn $15-$20M the next two seasons.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 24, 2014

    Room for DeSean?

    • oreofestar

      LOL they had room for him regardless

    • DharmaBum

      With Terrelle Pryor the odd man out, I could see him and a pick for Jackson.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I thought that originally myself. But he really doesn’t solve our inexperience at backup QB. Can he catch?

        • GEAGLE

          Barkley is our backup..Am I comfortable with that? Probably not…but it’s the reality of our situation…AQUIRING Prior means we won’t have to spend a pick on another developmental QB…been talking about us adding Prior since December, and since the Raiders don’t value him much, why not….

          • aub32

            I like Pryor as a backup more than Barkley right now. He would have to do much. Hand the ball off to McCoy, run a little read option, throw one or two deep to DeSe……….I just made myself sad.

  • Kd711

    Word is Jets are willing to give Tampa Bay's 4th round draft pick and their 5th rounder for DeSean Jackson. Eagles aren't biting though.— DYST Now (@DYST_Now) March 24, 2014

  • cliff4d

    jackson can’t help the eagles win games and he has no trade value…cut this loser and lets start looking toward the draft..he can take his fluff game to a sub .500 team…please stop it with the bs about “opening things up for others”, next year, chip’s offense will be better than last year because they will figure out how to score td’s instead of field goals…. jackson is a kicker’s best friend

    • PhillySean

      “jackson can’t help the eagles win games”
      What planet are you on?

  • DharmaBum

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/23/bucs-wideout-mike-williams-stabbed-in-thigh-by-brother/

    PFT reporting that Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in the thigh by….DeSean Jackson! See, Geags? He IS a master criminal!

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Before anyone goes running to read that, it stays that Williams was allegedly stabbed in the thigh by his brother.

      • DharmaBum

        Yes, his brother, who is secretly…DeSean Jackson!

        • GEAGLE

          You cracked the case! :)

  • Tony

    Trading desean is simply crazy……eagles act like it’s easy to replace him…..we all agree he’s a diva….but Riley Cooper had a great season because #10 was on the other side. ….and msg to chip kelly……you haven’t won anything yet……and believe me, if things go sour with the eagles chip won’t hesitate to run right back to cf….we have a good thing offensively. …..geez

    • Jerry Pomroy

      But Cooper wasn’t the only one to have a career year. DJax did as well, and so did Shady & Foles. So was DeSean responsible for that as well?

      I’ll answer…nope.

      • aub32

        So DeSean wasn’t responsible for DeSean having a career year? Also, he would have had a career year in 2012 if not for the injury. Of course Foles had a career year. He played half a season and with no oline in 2012.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Stretching a bit aren’t we on the Foles comment? Homeboy had a Brady-esque year with only a handful of games under his belt. And no DeSean wasn’t all responsible. The fact that he was moved around much more contributed to his success last year.

          So my point is that the system had something to do with the successes of all of these guys. They still had to play of course. But this wasn’t reminiscent of an AR offense, where we consistently “didn’t put them in a position to succeed”, but rather the opposite. So before we go chalking DeSean’s speed as the be all, end all reason for the offenses success, let’s remember that Kelly had to change scheme when he was getting pressed at the line and couldn’t get out into his routes. So Chip was just as responsible as the players executing.

          The only exception would be the snow bowl, where Shady just completely took over the game. That was the only game I could say that scheme didn’t really have a damn to do with. It was purely Shady’s skill & some good cleats.

          • aub32

            So Chips biggest contribution was that he moved DJax around? Hell then I should be a HC. Fans have been calling for Reid to move DJax around for years. I’m not going to give Kelly so much credit for that. DeSean is the player who is talented enough to pull that off. I didn’t see Coop, Avant, or DJ2 moving all over the field. Shady is Shady. His skill is undeniable regardless of scheme. The guy is like AD in the sense that he is going to produce. Chip’s scheme helped. However, so did not have 8, 9 or 10 players in the box. Chip’s scheme wasn’t what kept defensive players from moving in to stop the run. DeSean’s presence on the field did that. How bout single coverage for Coop. Was that schemed for by Kelly? No. Teams had to ficus on DJax. That’s not to take away from Kelly. He’s a good coach and his route combinations allowed players to get space and take advantage of their matchups. However, it was up to the players to win their matchups. Less talented players translates into losing those matchups.

  • Weapon Y

    The Eagles have all of the leverage if Jackson really is a pain in the ass. He’s under contract until 2016 and there’s nothing he can do about it. Make him play here while he’s at his prime for 3 more years. Don’t let all of that go to waste just to make a trivial point (You don’t mess with the Chippah!, sarcasm).

    • anon

      Whole point of a strong culture is that you can rein in an occasional bad apple, was hoping that would be the chip Kelly effect. I wonder if fdjax had choice words about Vick leaving or coop coming back. Rare in this day of investigative journalism that we have no clue what could have lead to eagles trading djax, eating the dead money, and possibly not getting “fair” value.

      • John E. Zang

        I’m guessing its a lot of things. He acts like a diva to coaches (Bicknell), is vocal about wanting Vick, he doesn’t practice well and runs undisciplined routes, takes plays off, and his limited ability on the field. But there can be more and chip strikes me as a no nonsense guy who’s in it to win.

      • GEAGLE

        “It’s not only about what a player will do for you, it’s also about what he will sacrifice”-Chip Kelly

        If we really plan on throwing waves of weapons at teams, instead of the traditional arsenal of 3wrs that you use in games, a TE or two, and a RB, then individual stats and sacrifices will need to be made…

        In December I wrote how I heard Bicknell LOVES Riley Cooper..didn’t realize he loved him so much that we could move away from Desean..I want Desean here! but in reality I thought we could only count on him for two more years anyway…..however I used to write about how I want to do a healthy transition from Andy’s guys to Chips new guys, what I mean by that, is work your way backwards from the depth chart replacing guys… For example, let’s say we want to draft two ultra talented WR in the first 3 rounds, those two new WRs should replace Damaris and Avant…if we want to add two new WRs the following year, those two WRs should replace Brad smith and Maclin(since the two WRs we drafted the year prior would have a year under their belt…then the following year you add two WRs to replace Desean and Cooper, by then the two WRs we took in THIS draft(ODB and Moncrief) will be entering their 3rd year and should be ready to step in as our top two WRs..

        Basically, if you have the cap space, then I don’t want to lose any starters until we draft guy, and spend time grooming them on our bench, so when we move away from our starters, they can be expected to take over without much of a drop off…

        For example, I expect two more years of Demeco! but we need to draft his replacement now, so by the time we move on from Meco! we will know his replacement! and have groomed him already to take over and not skip a beat…..Bad teams with bad cap problems, have to cut or trade Key players without already having their replacement in house, and I expected us to be better then that,,,,can’t imagine wtf Desean has done to think it’s ok to move away from him now, when all we have that we can count on in a game is Cooper, and Maclin and his Multi knee surgeries. Hopefully by some Miracle, Rejus Benns knees hold up, because going into this season when we are supposed to be contending, only having two veteran WRs that we can put on the field, Coop and Mac, scares the Bejesus out of me, so I’m hoping for a Rejus miraculous recovery….just let his knees hold up for one stinking season PLEASE!!!

      • Weapon Y

        Occam’s razor. The simplest explanation is the most likely. We haven’t heard any weird thing DJax did because he hasn’t done anything weird. Chip is just being a stubborn, delusional ass who still thinks he can “recruit” his way into success as if he’s still a college coach.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’m not so sure I buy into that. Especially the last part. Chip typically didn’t get the top notch recruits because they wanted to play for the bigger, sexier, more recognized programs. But yet he still built an NCAA powerhouse despite that in a very short amount of time.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    All I gotta say is, if they do end up releasing him, they better spill the beans, in detail, as to why. Their customers, the fans, deserve at least to know why, because we just aren’t seeing enough to justify an outright release. This ain’t the TO fiasco, at least to the naked eye. So unless something else is going on, I just won’t accept him being released because “he’s not a Chip Kelly guy” or “he’s not a Kelly type receiver”.

    I’m ok with the trade talks because at least you’re looking at cutting your losses with him, moving on from him, BUT getting something in return for your asset. But flat out cutting him requires a detailed answer, a good one at that.

    • DharmaBum

      Agreed. I mean, it’s not like he stabbed his brother in the thigh or anything. Oh, wait….

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Will you stop sayin that…lol.

        • DharmaBum

          Dude, I been here all day, gimme a break. Lemme live…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Some of us have kids & also in my own case an 8mo pregnant wife that’s nesting.

          • DharmaBum

            You’re losing me now. Whaddaya mean by that? LOL

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You said you’ve been here all day. I just jumped on recently, so I thought you meant that since I’m just commenting now to give you a break.

          • DharmaBum

            Nah, I meant I’m loopy. DeLirious, if you will. All I have is a gf who’s out, a Telecaster on my lap and a dog who won’t stop chewing the couch every time I leave the room, but whatever floats your boat…

          • Kd711

            You’ve been smoking too much jaccpot

          • DharmaBum

            Oh yeah, did I meant ion that I have that DeSean rapper contest video on repeat, at full volume?

          • Kd711

            Wow that’s taking it too far haha.

            Actually I thought the guy that won said some pretty poeticl stuff. I looked him up, and it turns out he’s dead :(

            http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1709386/lil-snupe-dead-shooting-details.jhtml

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Wow. Did not know that.

          • RIP illa

            Upvote for the article. I thought he was pretty dope myself. That’s a shame.

          • Kd711

            Here’s another article that’s really well written about Meek Mill’s relationship with him.

            http://www.complexmag.ca/music/2013/10/meek-mill-interview-lil-snupe

          • GEAGLE

            I hate you all for making me watch that video!! How Embarressing…after watching the video I immediately started to work on my mixtape…after hearing Deseans prize protege, I realized that it can’t be that hard to get some Jaccpot dollaz…

            Meek Mills kid absolutely slaughtered Jaccpots “artist” ..like it wasn’t even close. I felt embarrassed for Desean, T.I was practically laughing at the way he was acting “everybody knows you got money, relax” acting like a friggin idiot. It was pretty Embarressing….note to Desean, just STOP DUDE!! You will never make a penny off of Jaccpot…Just stop before you waste more money on these worthless fools…

  • Eagles4Life

    Interesting that these comments have come out from the Jets owner and no one is making a stink about tampering. Pretty much an admission by silence from our FO. We’re trading or cutting DJacc.

  • anon

    The New York Daily News’ Manish Mehta reports DeSean Jackson is unwilling to restructure his $10.5 million salary to expedite a trade, and may ultimately be released by the Eagles.

    “Philly is trading him or cutting him. That’s a fact,” a source told Mehta. “They don’t want him.” Cutting Jackson would save $6.5 million against the 2014 cap, and perhaps more importantly, shave roughly $11 million off Philly’s 2015 salary cap commitments.

    • GEAGLE

      That’s from two days ago…we aren’t cutting Desean. Howie has an ace of spades tucked up his sleeve…haven’t we learned yet that Howie is no fool?

  • Rahkem

    Ill never forgive Howie Roseman and Cip Kelly if they cut desean. Trade ? Maybe ill get over it if we have a good draft overall but i couldnt stomach him being flatout cut.

  • Explorer51

    It’s interesting when you read what the 49ers GM actually said: “We’ve not made any contact with the Eagles relative to a trade for DeSean Jackson.” He didn’t say that the Eagles hadn’t contacted them…