What They’re Saying About the Eagles

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Here’s a roundup of what the national media are saying about the Eagles.

Adam Schein of NFL.com is high on the Eagles’ 2014 prospects:

The New York Giants and GM Jerry Reese have enjoyed a thoughtful offseason. New coach Jay Gruden was a smart hire by the Washington Redskins. The Dallas Cowboys have adroitly rid themselves of players on the wrong side of 30 who were taking up too much cap space. Still, a gulf exists between Philly and the rest of the division.




After one year, Chip Kelly's Eagles rule the NFC East. Three hundred and sixty-five days from now, I think they'll have conquered a lot more.

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com give the Eagles a B- for their offseason moves:

The Eagles added three secondary players, led by safety Malcolm Jenkins. They paid him top dollar, and he will add range to the secondary. Corner Nolan Carroll was also a solid signing. Their biggest moves were keeping their own, which I like. They kept receivers Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin, which will help offensive continuity. They also traded to get running back Darren Sproles from the Saints, a move applauded by many but I think is a bit odd. He's an older back and they have LeSean McCoy.

Ashley Fox of ESPN.com writes that it's clear Chip Kelly is making the calls in Philadelphia:

Chip Kelly's power with the Philadelphia Eagles has grown noticeably.

That's what the noise around DeSean Jackson's status with the team tells me. The Eagles' silence about whether they're trying to trade Jackson says they want to move him. Kelly wants to move him. If that is indeed the case and the Eagles can find a team willing to take on Jackson's contract in exchange for a decent draft pick, Jackson likely will be traded.

Doug Farrar of SI.com offers his take on what the Eagles have done so far:

Philly upgraded its secondary with Mike Jenkins and Nolan Carroll and traded for Darren Sproles in a move that could give Chip Kelly’s offense all kinds of new dimensions.

No huge splashes here, but each team did more to help itself than hurt, given the financial circumstances.

Bucky Brooks of NFL.com re-drafts the 2004 class and still has the Eagles taking Shawn Andrews:

Andrews was an exceptional player for the Eagles as a monstrous blocker on the interior. Although his career was cut short due to injuries, Andrews earned three Pro Bowl bids during his time in Philadelphia.

Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com explores why the price on DeSean Jackson could be lower than anticipated:

Jackson is due $10.5 million this season. He had the production of a No. 1 receiver, but his skill set is more limited than other wideouts in his price range.

It's one thing to pay Jackson that much money. It's another to give up a draft pick and pay him. Trading Jackson would be more about dumping his salary and re-shaping the team than it would be about the compensation Philadelphia could get in return. If no one wants to pay a mid-round pick for Jackson, the Eagles can evaluate the situation next season.

Pat Kirwan of CBSSports.com mocks Notre Dame defensive lineman Stephon Tuitt to the Eagles at No. 22:

Tuitt is a versatile big man who can play any of the three spots on the Eagles defensive line. He fits better in a 3-4 than a 4-3 but he still had 17 sacks in his last two years in South Bend.

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  • wharfavenue

    DJAX TRADED!!!

    In a surprising move early Friday morning, the Philadelphia Eagles traded 3-time Pro Bowl wide receiver DeSean Jackson to the Phillies Phillies for 3-time All Star shortstop Jimmy Rollins.

    In a joint statement, Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman praised Rollins’ versatility and leadership.

    Ruben Amaro Jr. said in his statement “We saw an opportunity to exhange an older player for a younger player in his prime. Plus, the Eagles said it was a steal for us, and they wouldn’t lie to me, right?”

    DeSean Jackson said Coach Sandberg had not reached out to him yet, and added “Obviously he’s upset about something.”

    Ryne Sandberg declined to comment.

  • Warhound

    ” They also traded to get running back Darren Sproles from the Saints, a move applauded by many but I think is a bit odd. He’s an older back and they have LeSean McCoy.” What? Pete, have you been paying attention?

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      We also paid top-dollar for Jenkins. Sheesh.

  • Chris

    The comments on that Ashley Fox article are hilarious.

    • evanphilly

      It’s pretty easy to lob hand grenades from behind a brick wall

      • PhillySean

        Sure. And easier still when aiming at a very slow moving target.

  • JofreyRice

    Farrar sure hasn’t taken his eye off the ball. The Eagles are a much better team with Mike Jenkins in the fold…And to be able to do it with our “financial circumstances”!

    If they get rid of DJacc–a stupid, stupid move–they have to use the Harvin deal for a benchmark for expected return. Seattle extended Harvin right after giving up a first rounder for him, and paid handsomely–to the tune of 23 mil over the first two years. Jackson is a better receiver than Harvin.

    If they can’t get that, Kelly & Roseman need to go to Jackson hat in hand, and come up with some kind of story to attempt to repair the rift this might have caused; essentially hawking him on the open market. Sorry, but if they want a perennial contender, full of good players, they’re going to have to learn how to manage egos. You can have a team full of Connor Barwins and Bradley Fletchers that manage themselves, but you’re going to be having some extra vacation time during the winter months every year. Did Phil Jackson get rid of his superstars in favor of lunchpail bums that were easy to manage? I wonder what a joy it is to talk to Richard Sherman about areas you’d like to see him improve upon, or Colin Kaepernick, or Jay Cutler, or Tom Brady? Managing the egos may be the toughest part of the whole thing. Reid sure as hell did a poor job in his last days here. The answer isn’t to just get rid of anyone with an ego.

    • cliff henny

      Campfire Kelly. grab your guitar let’s all go to the woods, eat s’mores and sing kumbiya.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        What’s a smore?

        • cliff henny

          really? probably joking but if you aren’t….graham cracker sandwich with Hershey’s chocolate bar and a heated marshmellow…man, they are delicious

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            “Sandlot” reference. Nevermind.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            foooorevvveerrr…. foorrrevverrrr

        • Joe from Easton

          Are you kiddin’ me smalls?!

        • wpnx20

          How can I have some more when I haven’t had anything?

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Trading for a 24yr old entering the final year of a rookie deal and a 27yr old 2yrs into his second contract are two different things, entirely.

      • JofreyRice

        Harvin was on the verge of turning 25, and was coming off a 630 yard season where he had 3 TDs. Came close to a thousand yard season once. Come on man. That’s really nothing even close to what Jackson has done in the league. 5 ~1000 yard seasons out of 6 years, and coming off a career best.

        Harvin hurt the Vikings leverage, as well–demanding a trade out of Minny, whereas Jackson’s big crime was responding to a reporters question and going about his offseason.

        Jackson’s only 18 months older than Harvin. Not a big deal. And I thought the talking point was that Jackson’s deal would have to be renegotiated this year–either by the Eagles or whatever new team he goes to? I think the point stands that the Harvin package is a benchmark for what they should expect in return. Even if for some reason you give Harvin the edge as a player–I don’t–to say the situations were vastly better for Minny moving Harvin doesn’t seem to really hold up to scrutiny.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          3, not 5, 1000yd seasons. And that doesn’t change much, nor does the production. In Harvin, he’s on his rookie deal and you get to negotiate how much more he gets in an extension. You trade for Jax, who’s due 10.5 in salary, good luck negotiating him to a much better number. Remember when he said he thinks he deserves to be paid like he just produced 82/1350/9? GM’s did, too, and trying to negotiate that down to a “team-friendly” deal while giving up picks isn’t ideal. Think Howie understands that. Two different situations. I can’t help SEA gave Harvin way too much.

          • JofreyRice

            Oh come on, he was 35 yards away in one of those seasons and 80 in another–his rookie year. The tilde means “around” 1000 yards.

            Why should the guy have to take a team friendly deal? He deserves to be paid what his production merits. I don’t get this idea that he’s some team-destroyer that someone’s got to rehab. What has he done, concretely, to show he doesn’t deserve to be paid?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            35 yards and 80 yards is 35 yards and 80 yards man. You don’t get to make up your own stats to make them sound better in favor of him. No one said he should have to take a team friendly deal and doesn’t deserve to be paid. I didn’t say anything like that. If I’m trading for him, though, I want to renegotiate that deal to give him some guarantees, lower the cap hit and extend it out beyond just 3 years if I can, which is difficult with a guy like Jackson because another good season and comments come out, because he can’t not comment about money. But if you expect to get much for a guy commanding 10.5, 9.75, 9.75 your nuts. Which is exactly why the trade scenarios involving Harvin and Jackson are erroneous.

          • Adam G

            I’ve been saying that the past few weeks. People just don’t get it because they think he gets paid what he deserves.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Yeah, I really don’t understand this Harvin comparison. Makes no sense.

          • JofreyRice

            I’m not making anything up. 35 yards in a season he played 15 games is pretty insignificant. Putting up 912 as a rookie is only 50 yards less than Percy’s best–he’s never even hit 1000 once. Seattle paid Harvin 12.5 million last year and 12 mil this year; after they gave up a first rounder for him. And he was DEMANDING a trade out of Minny. Jackson responded to a reporter’s question. You don’t see a difference in that?

            It’s fine to dismiss all the objective measures saying that they’re just “stats” but it becomes a very subjective argument. You think Harvin’s much better, but that’s just like, your opinion, man.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            While I appreciate the Lebowski reference, I don’t think Harvin’s better. It’s strictly about dollars and sense. They’re incomparable.

          • JofreyRice

            haha! incomparable! Is Percy Harvin bathed in some kind of golden aura making him untackleable that doesn’t come through on my television?

            What part of his game exactly makes him so much better than Desean that they can’t even be compared?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            The situations. I don’t understand what you’re not understanding about what’s being said to you. I just told you I think Jax is better. The situations are entirely different, though. I don’t know how else to make this clear to you.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, I apologize, I didn’t read closely enough above. Although, in addition to my mistake, I still don’t follow why the situations aren’t comparable–whatever Jackson’s making now or would make after a trade and sign, and the 25 mil guaranteed over 2 years Seattle gave Harvin–a guy, I now see, is someone you don’t think is as good as Jackson. Is it just the 18 month age difference?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            What is our situation, dad?…. Seriously, between mine and Adam’s posts, you can figure it out. Trading for a guy with little injury history at time of trade (I don’t count migraines, there’s medicine for that) as well as having a year left on rookie deal, vs. trading for a guy who’s in his second contract and due 10mil a season in salary. The negotiations are entirely different based on those circumstances. You can disagree that these are significant factors. Your prerogative. It doesn’t make it right. If Howie thought he could get this we wouldn’t be hearing about a 3rd round pick. GM’s aren’t lining up to give a 1st, 7th, and mid round pick a year later to take on 10mil in salary.

          • JofreyRice

            I think you’ve decided the situations are totally different. Objectively, I don’t see how they are. What’s the difference about which contract they’re on? Jackson has a year more NFL experience. As a second round pick, he had a shorter contract as a rookie, and the Eagles crafted a deal for him that made it very likely they’d have to re-negotiate before it was up.

            Jackson > Harvin
            Trade for Harvin – Renegotiate Contract with big $
            Trade for Jackson – Renegotiate Contract with big $/Pay contract as written–still less than what Harvin’s getting.

            The 18 month difference is essentially meaningless. You’re not extending this guy into his mid 30s, he’s still in his prime at 27, and from the #’s, and ways he beat defenses, looks to be turning into the more complete player many hoped he would, when he signed his extension.

            The Eagles made this mess–reportedly now “reaching out” to the Panthers about Jackson; being the initiators. The whole point of my original post is that if you can’t get fair market value for whatever reason, then don’t let him go for whatever you can get. You don’t have to move him. Unless you’ve damaged the relationship to the point where now he can’t return. Which is a pretty stupid way to treat your talent, as a manager.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I think it’s a mistake. I don’t disagree. I think we do disagree about fair market value. It’s whatever.

        • Adam G

          Faulty logic. First off, Desean is 27 now, Harvin was 24. Second you quoted Harvin’s numbers without including his injury, which at the time was not thought to be anything serious. His per game stats, and how much he meant to the Vikings, were pretty serious. There was talk of him and MVP early in that season. Harvin was thought to be way way more versatile than Desean. And one last point, this year is not last. The market for WRs has dried up. If somebody offered a 2nd rounder they would jump at it.

          • JofreyRice

            Harvin was 2 months away from turning 25, so yeah, let’s split hairs. I guess your sound logic means that the fact that he was usually injured made him more valuable in trade? Have to explain that one to me. The versatility argument is fine, and there is definitely some merit to it, but if you’re talking about NFL production, yards, TDs, 20+ yard plays, 40+ yard plays, all those categories go to Jackson.

          • Adam G

            Prior to that season he missed 3 games in 3 seasons. So usually injured is a little excessive. My point being, 2012 Harvin did things when he wasn’t injured that Desean hasn’t even come close to doing. You can look at stats all you want but he was taking over games with a HORRENDOUS quarterback. Keep on arguing this point, but we’ll see what the Eagles actually take in return for Desean and they won’t even sniff a 1st rounder.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            We can hope they do, though. I’d love me a 2nd and 4th!

          • JofreyRice

            He had chronic migraine problems that threatened his availability for full games.

            It’s funny, when you look at players that “take over games” there usually are some convenient stats to back that up. Percy Harvin’s best season in Minny he averaged around 80 yards a game, combined receiving and rushing, and had 1 kick return TD. Must have taken over some pretty boring games.

            We’re in the weeds, now. My point above, was that whatever your preference, to say that Jackson is so much less valuable than Percy Harvin is just not backed up by reality. 18 months older, much more productive, objectively. Not a malcontent, demanding a trade from his current club. Coming off his best season, not an injury-plagued worst.

            Seattle wanted Harvin, so they ponied up for him. The Eagles created this situation, not Jackson. If they want to move him, they need to find a team that’s willing to give up something damn close to what Seattle did to get him.

          • Adam G

            Ok, would you like me to point out articles that say Harvin was an MVP candidate in 2012 before he hurt his ankle? Or do you just want to google it yourself? Nobody has ever mentioned DJAX and MVP in the same sentence. And also Foles is just a tad better than Ponder.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            “Before he hurt his ankle.” Thought he wasn’t injured that often.

            And if we’re talking articles, want me to dig up articles that illustrate how Foles would never be successful in Chip’s offense? There are a plethora of them.

          • Adam G

            Look at the comments. I specifically said before that year. He only missed three games. And please do not compare Foles with Ponder. Ponder might be out of the league soon.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            I didn’t compare Foles with Ponder?

            You said that you could “point out articles that say Harvin was an MVP candidate.” I’m saying that I can find articles that say Foles wasn’t a fit; that he still isn’t a fit. So basically what I’m saying is that articles don’t mean diddly.

          • Adam G

            Man, commenters just really love straw man arguments on this site. An article surmising Foles isn’t a fit is not the same as an in season article, looking at Harvin’s production and labeling him an MVP candidate. If you can’t tell the difference, I don’t know what else to say.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Lol whatever dude. Ponder might be out of the league soon.

          • RIP illa

            Vick was also a MVP candidate in 2010…Who the hell Cares!!! It means nothing!!!

          • JofreyRice

            What does that mean, an MVP candidate? Isn’t every player an MVP candidate? Something about horseshoes…

            I think Harvin’s an excellent explosive player. But I think he’s a tad overrated in the media. The guy’s numbers just don’t back up some all-world dominant football force that makes Jackson pale in comparison.

          • Adam G

            Come on, that’s a deflection. However you want to compare them, it really doesn’t matter because there is no team to bid that highly for Jackson’s services, he’s arguably overpaid, and the current WR market is so much different than last year.

          • JofreyRice

            It looked like his 2012 was going well until he got injured. Ok. Some people got excited and wrote articles about how he could be a darkhorse MVP candidate. Fine. Very subjective.

            Look at what kind of production he was putting up game to game, and extrapolate it out over 16 games. It’s still not on par with what Desean did.

          • Adam G

            Yes, you would think that if you just looked at the stats from that top level. But he pushed himself to get back with the injury and played a couple of games when he shouldn’t have. He put up those stats in 7 healthy games. He flashed potential that’s valued at a premium. Granted it in a small burst, but GMs love potential.

          • JofreyRice

            OK, so you think he’s much better than Desean, based on a 7 game stretch where he put up good–not mindblowing numbers–and throw out all the other career numbers & production. I’m not trying to strawman your argument, but this is how it reads.

    • joyriding

      What did *superstar Jackson ever do in a big spot? He gets shut down against every team that uses press coverage (which is almost every big game). Exciting? Sure. Expendable? Absolutely.

      • JofreyRice

        Remember the NFC Championship game? I was pretty impressed with that. He beat DRC on that route when DRC was rounding into probowl form.

        After the defense was broken when JJ left, he’s been out of the playoffs for most of his career as an Eagle. 2010. Last year. That’s it, right? So not going for 150 and 2 TDs in each of those 2 games is enough to throw the guy away?

        • Brandon Boykin, LOL

          Man keep preaching. I say this about a lot of players but it’s painfully evident when it comes to Desean Jackson; people let their often misconstrued dislike of DJax colour their arguments.

          The man wants a new contract round 1. He was drafted in the second round. He chose to sign the contract, but had no control over the terms. Okay fine, I’d want more money too if I were in a similar position. Actually, everyone would. [Don’t feel like explaining the whole situation. Everyone should read up anyway]

          Contract round 2: more guaranteed money. Still don’t see how you can blame him. If you are a salaried employee and have to miss a few days, okay. If an NFL player who already has two pretty nasty concussions misses a game or two, he does not eat. I see no problem with demanding guaranteed money. Could the timeline have been better? Absolutely.

        • joyriding

          Okay, so he had a nice game against a terrible defense, in a game that the Eagles should have won by the way… That is still getting away from my point which is that he is expendable. He’s exciting for sure but he’s completely one dimensional. He essentially runs one route and that route is completely shut down when going up against press coverage. In an offense that is full of weapons, if he can be moved for a useful draft pick – then so what? I have nothing against the guy but he’s not a #1 WR, makes a lot of money, and seems a bit high maintenance for a guy that is essentially just a deep threat.

          Also, Harvin’s return speaks volumes as to who the more valuable guy is. Don’t forget, Harvin is way stronger, just as fast – and carries the ball as well. The fact that Jackson is barely worth a 3rd rounder says enough to me about how much of a key to this team he really is. Do I like having him as a weapon? Sure, but i’m on board with spending his money elsewhere, especially given the weapons we already have.

          • JofreyRice

            I would have agreed with the one-trick pony talk more in the past. He ran a variety of routes from all over the formation this year–did what was asked of him, after that initial hiccup. Now, of course, a player like Desean is going to do the majority of his damage deep, but I think you’re undervaluing that a bit. He did a lot of damage deep.

          • joyriding

            Listen, like I said – I have no problem with the guy but I completely *get* why they would want to move him. I think if he were as valuable as people are making him out to be, he wouldn’t be involved in trade talks and there wouldn’t be talk of drafting a WR in round 1. Simple as that.

    • GEAGLE

      waited my entire life for us to draft a WR like Djax…with that’s said, Chip is a god damn offensive genius. If he thinks we should trade him, who the hell am I to say it’s dumb….I trust him completely on that side of the ball. I don’t believe Howie has the power to trade a WR that Chip wants, so if we trade him, I’ll get over it…..with that said I don’t disagree with your post,but Chip has dealt with problem children before and made it work…Kyle long is no Boy Scout…do whatever the hell they want on offense,,.just don’t screw with the defense

      • cliff henny

        it’s be a lot easier to swallow if we saw Mac even put on pads under Kelly. not that Mac is near Jax, but between him, sproles and Ertz, sure they’ll make up for lost production. draft a Lee of ODB, might be better…but can do all this WITH Jax
        .
        I have more of an issue with the ‘why’. seems like people are really reaching for Jax to be a lockerroom problem.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Agree with all of that. I honestly believe the contract is more of the issue than anything, and how they may perceive future negotiations to redo/restructure going, since we all know DJ isn’t one to undervalue himself. Not saying he’s wrong there, just don’t think FO wants to deal with it. Could be totally off-base, but I agree that the ego management in his case isn’t as high as others and doesn’t really add up… I also think people have a huge misconception about what Jax trade will net in return.

        • GEAGLE

          Jax being a locker room problem is just the smear campaign justifying a trade..doubt it would be the reason. Maybe we overestimate his importance? If Chip wanted Desean, but the GM wanted to trade him over money, I’d be pissed…..but if Chip wants to trade him, then so be it. He knows what he need to make the offense work….of course I agree about Maclin and the risky unknown…but I don’t think Chip is stupid…now if nAndy Reid wanted to trade him I would lose it..

          Who the hell knows what’s really going on…Chip might shut all this down at the owners meeting for all we know

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            At least with Mac, the FO, Chip, and Huls know exactly where he’s at. There may be far less risk there than we know.

          • GEAGLE

            Owners around the league are under the impression that he is doing well..
            .
            Anyway, by 2015 I expect Ertz to be our best weapon

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I hope he’s our go-to in crunch situations. Don’t care otherwise. Chip maximizes talent on O.

          • GEAGLE

            He will be more then that my friend…you have to see him run in person

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            He’s impressive, no doubt. Just speaking to the fact that Chip loves weapons, period. So “best weapon” is relative, when Chip can beat you with all of his weapons. Which is why I say I hope he’s the go-to, instead.

          • Joe from Easton

            He looks like a 6’5″, 245 lb dear with soft hands and smooth breaks. To think people scoffed at his 3/4″ – 1″ “too short” arms. Silly.

          • GEAGLE

            Instead of gossiping like a bunch of bitches..maybe someone in the media should go review all the attention Desean attracted and report just how much he opened things up for everyone, or if it’s just some wives tale from the sea that we made up in philly….I sure as hell haven’t put in the time to speak on it….maybe he isn’t as important as we think

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            It’s no secret he commanded attention. But, there’s speed in the draft. We may be going BPA, but it’s not like BPA can’t result in a fast receiver. If Cooks last, I think we take him.

          • GEAGLE

            HOW much attention is the question? A replaceable amount of attention? I watched what Chip did with someone who NO ONE thought of as more then a 4th WR turning him into a beast….who’s to say he can’t turn Cook into Djax?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Exactly, Desean is all speed with above average hands, and Cooks, from what we know, is all speed with great hands, thus nation’s best receiver. Dude was getting triple teamed by end of the year. I would like to believe Chip is fully aware of what Cooks can do for him for FAR less of the cost of Desean. Not to say we’ll target, but if he lasts, he’s gotta be high on Chip’s wish list.

          • JofreyRice

            I think it’s pretty safe to assume there is something to it, at this point. The org’s silence speaks volumes.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s exactly what I was told when all of philly were trying to tell me FOles would be traded….what did the FO silence equate to then?

          • JofreyRice

            I don’t remember that being on NFL.com, rotoworld, ESPN, etc., but you may remember better.

          • GEAGLE

            Wait wait u don’t remember EVERYONE saying FOles couldn’t play for Chip and he would be traded? We call that convenient amnesia :) and the national dopes who didn’t said that, just didnt know who FOles was…dopes

          • JofreyRice

            Oh no, for sure, we were all trying to figure out what Chip was, and quite a few of us thought it didn’t make sense to have a guy that wasn’t a threat to run. That turned out to be wrong. What I’m saying is that I don’t remember specific “team x contacted the eagles about Foles”. Maybe the Chiefs, around the draft? But I don’t think it was as hot as this has been.

          • GEAGLE

            Kc and the Bucs, that’s two
            Desean = jets! raiders! panthers. That’s 3
            Just trying to say that I get the impression that our Fo doesn’t give a damn about our cyber shitstorm! and that Chip thinks we are absurd….I don’t think they care about us going crazy like this. Chip will talk and shut it down at the owners meeting, just as we eventually stated that FOles isn’t available in trades…whether it’s true or not, is another story…

          • GEAGLE

            Think Chip shuts this all down at the owner meeting, we will all say, see nothing to dumb media rumors, and it will all be coombaya again in 3 days……that doesn’t mean he won’t be traded, but the FO silence will end, but on THEIR term and tHEIr Schedule, not on Les and Geagles

          • guest

            Well, its Jets, Raiders, Panthers, Patriots, and initially, the 49ers. But thats besides the point.

            Chip and Howie defended Foles multiple times through that time…saying he was their guy. its just that no one believed them

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Where’s Dutch when you need him?! And #7 and BBaaS.

          • Ark87

            Seems like a similar scenario. Listened to offers, but was a far cry from “we don’t want him on the team anymore.” Very few players in the league can’t be pried away for some draft picks.

          • PhillySean

            Agree with this. An All-22 style breakdown of where Desean Jackson creates headaches for DCs and opens up lanes for McCoy and opportunities for other receivers would be very welcome over gossip coverage.

          • RIP illa

            I’ll save people some time…1 safety devoted to DJax and 1 safety devoted to McCoy, unless it’s a pass then they’re checking for the slot or TE. There you have it! :-)

          • cliff henny

            Kelly has said his system is plug and play. seen articles on him blasting over-paying in nfl, while he was in college. mostly that was on qb. he’s about system, mismatches/versatility and being extremely deep. does Jax being outwide really change the offense in his mind all that much. he didn’t blink at making Cooper a #2. mean, that seems much crazier to me than thinking Mac can be a poor man’s Jax. in ’15, if I saw O sets where Jax was riding pine, still movng ball, I wouldn’t blink, this is all way too hypothetical for me

          • GEAGLE

            Good point….

          • Finlay Jones

            If Mac wasn’t coming off a serious injury, i’d be more likely to agree with you.

          • RIP illa

            A 3rd world man’s DJax!!! :-)

          • jt521

            love reading these posts, figured i’d finally chime in. while i want Jax to stay, i’m not sure why people are so upset at the possibility of shipping him out for draft picks so let me play devil’s advocate. With all of the offensive threats, Jax’ skillset in this particular scenario is relatively easy to replace, no? his success this year was predicated on his speed and a dominant run game, not AJ Green-like skill. he’s a vertical threat but he’s 165 lbs, has no height, has historically shrunk in big games, can’t block, has no impact on ST anymore. when he was drafted it was amazing because we were coming out of the Hank Baskett/Reggie Brown/Kevin Curtis dark ages, but now we have a coach that runs the ball, the best RB in the league, an amazing toy in Sproles, red zone weapons in Cooper/Ertz, veteran stability from Celek, and high potential for Maclin contingent on his recovery. I’m not saying definitely deal him, but if you could get a few picks for him wouldn’t drafting a 4.4 40 wideout (Beckham preferably) be an equally effective way to draw the safety while allowing you to address more needs on D in the draft? despite everything i said if we keep him i’m happy, but this offense looks ridiculous with or without him. thoughts?

      • JofreyRice

        eh, I think that’s a dangerous approach. Jerry Rice vouched for Jackson’s work habits, route running, and dedication to his craft. Plenty of guys run fast, but Jackson’s combo of speed, route-running and ability to track the deep ball are pretty special–or every guy who can run a 4.3 would be doing it. He’s not ever going to be the matchup nightmare that Calvin Johnson or Josh Gordon are, but in terms of productivity, he did a lot of the things they did this year. I don’t want to see Chip make a Josh McDaniels move.

    • Adam G

      All those guys you are referencing never tanked for a season because they wanted to get paid.

      • JofreyRice

        That had nothing to do with Kelly. New coach. New relationship. Jackson tanked, sure. No doubt. But he was completely dialed in during 2012, until he broke his ribs, and was also on board last year. Made tougher catches, ran routes from the slot, etc. I can only go by what I see, not conjecture. To hold something against him from a past regime would be a dumb reason to get rid of him now.

        • Adam G

          I’m not saying its not the truth, but we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. Part of the reason his value is low is because GMs don’t want to sign players who wine about money and tank. It’s an awful look. You can’t get that stink off. You know the expression, build a thousand bridges…

          • JofreyRice

            I’m operating from the mindset that if I have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors, I’m not going to assume the worst. It seems pretty hard to keep a secret with the scrutiny of Philly sports media. Even if there is no issue, they’ll invent one sometimes. Now all of a sudden, there were all these issues with Desean’s behavior that we didn’t get an inkling of during the season?

            There are plenty of worse character flaws GMs overlook to acquire talent. Rape allegations, domestic violence, spewing racial epithets. Jackson tanking during the season may offend your sense of football toughness as a fan, but there’s no way it’s on par with what some other guys have done in the league, in terms of personal conduct.

          • Adam G

            Turns out teams don’t care nearly as much about those things than trying to win. And each year that goes by the teams are overlooking those flaws less and less.

        • Maggie

          There is one reason to trade DeSean, not get rid of. That’s to get back someone or something that management considers of equal or greater value to the whole team. And this might be the year after all. DJax is a depreciating asset, as someone else mentioned earlier this week, and there is a large number of WRs floating around this year.

    • Eagles1018

      Firstly, thanks for the twitter follow (@lyphe100). Second I agreed with everything except “Jackson is a better receiver than Harvin.” The only thing that makes that closer to truth is that Harvin hasn’t stayed as healthy. But dude he’s better.

      • JofreyRice

        no prob. Hey, feel free to disagree. I like Harvin a lot, but as a pure wide receiver, I have to give Jackson the edge. In every statistical category, the guy bests Percy. Harvin’s definitely more versatile, but he’s missed more games, gone for less yards, scored less TD’s, had less big plays. Even if you were to say Harvin’s the better pro, I don’t see how you could say that if Harvin fetches a first rounder, Desean should only get a 3.

        • Adam G

          It’s not a vacuum. You gotta look at everything. This year’s market and the circumstances the Seahawks were in to make that offer. The teams that can even take on Djax’s salary are not even close to winning.

          • JofreyRice

            And there is no reason why they have to trade Jackson. So if the market doesn’t bear value in return, don’t make the move. Which is what I thought I said above.

          • Adam G

            They don’t have to do anything, but if their silence is construed as desire they have a reason to that is beyond your reasoning. Maybe Chip knows something about the locker room and his effect on it. Who knows. But if they are dead set on trading him regardless of the compensation, it would be a longshot Chip doesn’t have a reason.

          • JofreyRice

            so once again, you’re assuming that there is some deep dark secret about Jackson’s behavior that hasn’t come out, and that’s what’s motivating them. Once again, I don’t operate from that line of thinking. If they are deadset on trading him, it’s the wrong move. Trading away one of the few stars on your squad for a nebulous reason–or simply because you don’t want to pay him what you’ve agreed to–should be viewed as a mistake.

          • cliff henny

            could be worse than that. this point does Kelly think he can replace Jax, simple cost analysis. get couple picks, free up money. basically thinking his system is that good. we just went thru andy ‘smartest man in the room’ reid. don’t get it, no way could jax of been acting up and been hidden.

          • JofreyRice

            exactly. McLane is up the guy’s ass, during the season. He’s there to report on whether or not Jackson says Geshundheit after someone sneezes. But now all of a sudden he was disrupting the locker room during the seasson to the point where we want to trade him for a 3rd round pick?

            It’s certainly possible that there is some huge issue between Kelly and Jackson, and that Jackson is in the wrong. Possible. But with no proof, I’m not going to assume that’s the truth and co-sign the move to trade him for less than what he’s worth.

          • aub32

            What is this free up money crap!!!???? Money for who??? That’s the thing I don’t get Cliff. You’re the cap guy. Who are we freeing up money for? There’s no one left to sign. Even if there were, we wouldn’t sign them with our new batting average mentality. So why keep bringing up the money aspect.

          • Adam G

            How do you know what is going on with Chip Kelly? How do you know its nebulous? That’s an assumption you are making, that they DON’T have a reason. Chip doesn’t seem like the sort of guy to just trade him for no reason, therefore the conclusion that there is one. You are just stating your line of thinking which is you don’t assume. That’s a mistake in my eyes.

    • peteike

      I just dont think they get that same deal. That being said, they should get something closer to that deal than just a 3rd for da.. sure.

  • eneagled

    Since I’m batting 1000 on my eagles offseason predictions, I’m going to take a crack at the Djax situation. I sincerely hope that there’s nothing too all of this, but I’m thinking the eagles have something very specific in mind with the extra pick’s they’d receive; Dion Jordan. IMO, The quiet surrounding that name is a good sign, and I can see Chip thoroughly enjoying a little media misdirection when he and Howie are cooking up a big deal.

    To summarize, I will shortly be batting .500 and Rosenthal is a dip$hit

    • Eagles1018

      Jordan would be an awesome and welcomed addition IMO. But we know there is no team in the nfl trading a stud pass rusher. And the dolphins already have Mike “I’m a diva too” Wallace that they’re paying out the ass.

  • UKEagle99

    Who cares what Doug Farrar is saying when he can’t even get Malcom Jenkins name correct?

    • Richard Colton

      In America, idiots occasionally shorten “Malcolm” to “Mike.”

      • UKEagle99

        Wow, you learn something new everyday, thanks. It’s weird though, I’ll file that with the peanut butter and jelly :)

        • mtn_green

          Nope not heard that abbreviation ever.

          • UKEagle99

            It’s not much of an abbreviation, I suspect it’s just that Farrar’s an idiot.

          • mtn_green

            Bingo

        • Maggie

          And “Pot Roast”.

      • Brian

        Mike in the Middle just doesn’t sound right.

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Still have no idea how Prisco is allowed to write about the NFL.

    • cliff henny

      if someone cant see how Kelly would value Sproles, either football novice or they just don’t want to see it. might be dumbest line in a series of garbage articles by PP

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        There’s that. And there’s also the claim that we paid “top dollar” for Jenkins. Which of the two is dumber?

        • cliff henny

          well, if he means ‘pay him top dollar’ as in Eagles bid more than any other team, then 99.9999999% of every free agent ever was ‘top dollar’. so, yeah, dead heat for stupidity

    • Ark87

      The issue is that so many writers were hired for one strength or another in either their writing, analysis, sources, reader recognition, etc. And they have to write year long. Needless to say, 90+% of all national writers are unqualified to judge the personnel decisions for all 32 franchises.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        I think compounding the issue is there are a few too many of these guys. Or a lot too many.

        • Ark87

          very true, and they recycle eachother’s dumb opinions to validate their dumb opinions, rather than competing to provide a more informed opinion.

      • Brian

        Birds 24/7 should be required reading, for anyone reporting on the Eagles from afar.

        • RIP illa

          It should but they would still F it up. Just like ESPN did when they were sighting McManus’ article about how a source close to DJax said he hadn’t been contacted. They butchered it and it came out sounding nothing the same.

  • GEAGLE

    Let me shut down this silly 1st round CB talk…eagles ain’t paying a 4th CB first round money….problem solved!!!

    • Adam G

      Its only going to be a 4 year 8 mil contract. Don’t think that’s the reason.

      • GEAGLE

        Chose whatever damn reason you please, it’s still not going to happen :)

        • Adam G

          I am in agreement 100% with you. I just can’t see them going defensive backfield, which 90% of the national pundits seem to think is going to happen.

          • GEAGLE

            They won’t…I’m not concerned about it..

    • cliff henny

      how many mid tier 25 yr old dbs does Howie have to sign to show people that’s the route. then comes out and says ‘lot of good 3rd day guys’.

  • mtn_green

    These national articles are hilarious. They are parodies of themselves and their lack of knowledge.

    • GEAGLE

      I would get more out of a what they are saying article if they posted the best blogger comments, instead of national dopes

  • Eagledelphia

    Desean’s production by route ran saw this on twitter just now

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Can you link it?

    • cliff henny

      I see it. doesn’t tell us much more than what we all knew. Jax is about speed.

      • Eagledelphia

        eh idk 1100 yards from routes other go routes is pretty solid for a receiver who “can only run 9 routes”

        • Eagledelphia

          9 on the route tree not literally 9 different routes

        • cliff henny

          40 out of 119 targets are go (21) or hitches(19). Kelly did better job of expanding Jax’ game…but it’s about speed, almost everything is past 12 yds. doesn’t bother me, guessing Kelly wants more of those under slants. IDK, i’m about 100% against trade in ’14, don’t get why we need to find out if offense is as big of threat with Jax off team. having him on for a year doesn’t change anything. not like the 6m they save is desperately needed

          • Eagledelphia

            Yeah I agree think It would be an awful Idea to get rid of him one thing that has been overlooked is how moving Desean would hurt Foles development that is taking away a 120 target receiver and replacing him with the unknown for your young developing qb

          • cliff henny

            not 100% true, replacing Jax with Mac. draft a ODB to play inside and Moncrief to get physical and run short slants, not sure shady’s slamming into 8 man fronts.

          • aub32

            Really? People have been saying Mac is going to replace DJax since he was drafted. Mac has yet to do it. Now after an ACL injury, you’re confident that Mac is going to replace DJax’s production. Keep in mind that throughout Mac’s carrer, he’s always had DJax on the other side. Do you really think Mac would have had the 1300+ yard season that DJax had if he were the one lined up next to Coop and Avant?

          • cliff henny

            re-read what he wrote. ‘unknown’. Mac should be able to replace 75% of Jax. means eagles need to find 400 and 3tds. heck, that could simply be upgrade from avant to sproles on same targets.

          • aub32

            That’s now how it works. Djax’s effect on the field was not just about stats. I do not believe that Mac is that movable chess piece that can be moved all over the field and distract defenses. Teams aren’t going to fear Mac faking an end around. What about DJax’s ST production. He may not have had any huge returns, but he didn’t drop a punt. He also wasn’t fielding them inside the 5 like DJ2. I think Mac can put up ok stats, but how are the other players numbers going to look. How are Shady’s numbers with an extra guy in the box? What about Ertz when the middle of the field is a little more crowded. What if Mac doesn’t even come back to full strength. These are unnecessary risks to take.

          • cliff henny

            i’m against trade, but also don’t think Kelly’s offense will be ground to a halt if Jax is moved. you know I don’t want him traded, i’m just trying to figure this out. not sure anything in ’13 matters much, since added Maclin and Sproles. think most believe Kelly will walk with a weapon or 2 also. if Kelly cant overcome the loss of Jax, then he isn’t the genius we all hope he is. I come back to ‘why find out’. he wasn’t a cancer, no way could that of been hidden. my guess, moneyball football. they see jax as limited (while you and I both thinks it’s huge value) and 18m opened money and maybe picks that can be replaced by volume. that might even bother me more! that’s smartest man in room shit, and there’s a lot of smart people in nfl.
            .
            think i’m just in bargaining step of 5 stages of grief….with hint of anger still

          • Eagledelphia

            I sincerely hope they aren’t doing this to save money because we all know It won’t be spent on any impact talent they will just pay 10 bums and hope one of them is serviceable

          • cliff henny

            guess is as good as mine. I keep hearing ‘cancer’, but there was nothing reported. that would have come out. contract maybe, but to me that would tie back into moneyball.

          • Eagledelphia

            Yeah lets just all hope it doesn’t happen at least so the team isn’t forced to draft WR in round 1

          • aub32

            I keep asking you this question, but maybe you keep missing it. Where is the money going. If we were up against the cap or this was before FA, them maybe….maybe I can see your point. We aren’t spending any money. We have more than enough to pay the draft picks. So how is money a factor. That just makes absolutely no sense. How can you trade a player for money reason and not spend the money? You want to talk about causing ill vibes in the locker room?

          • cliff henny

            I don’t know. i’m not agreeing with it. F’N Lurie only took 3 month Hawaiian island cruise last yr, he was pissed, wants 5!

          • aub32

            He doesn’t get to keep the money though. Sure the cap can roll over, but that cash has to be spent. There are few players in the league, let alone on the Eagles worth spending the money on. (Keep in mind I am referring to players that we can actually obtain. Sure there are better WRs than DJax, but we can’t get them.

          • cliff henny

            every dollar not spent is a dollar that makes Eagles more profitable. but it was a joke, don’t think Lurie is cheap. as I said, makes more sense to me in ’15, we can see all these answers. I don’t get why they need to find out today. but this runaway train has no breaks.

          • aub32

            I think DeSean has 3-4 more very good years, but I agree this type of talk would make much more sense next year. I just can’t get behind so many unknowns when I know what #10 can do for this team.

          • cliff henny

            but, man, let’s be adults…when someone says it’s not about the money, they’re lying…it’s always about the money!

          • RIP illa

            Sorry cliff, but Mac is one of the most useless deep threats I have ever seen!!! 4.3 speed and rarely beats a CB deep. A lot of he’s deep passes are contested cuz he has not shown the speed to separate like DJax can. Even other routes that have been called “speed routes” in this thread, Mac has never shown the ability to be deadly or better than just above average. One of the reasons he was drafted was on his ability to be a bigger bodied deep threat to force teams puck there poison on who they’re gonna double or provide safety help for. He has never consistently pulled it off.

            You can’t depend on Mac to do anything better or just as well as DJax, except he shy about going over the middle. Mac being “fine” and or healthy should have. Otho g to do with it. He’s never lived up to expectations or his draft status and even if he finally does this year…what the hell does that mean anyway?! I’m more inclined to believe it’s a fluke more than anything.

            I know you just are pretty much done with it and looking at it as if DJax will be gone, but would still be really stupid of the FO and Chip to try and replace one man’s production with the effort of 3 or however many, whether it were to work or not!

          • JofreyRice

            holy shit, now Maclin’s better, too? Is Jackson better than anybody in this league?

          • Eagledelphia

            No guarantee they pan out though they they could end up being Troy Williamson and Charles Rodgers for all we know but then again I’m generally opposed to drafting receivers in the first that aren’t AJ Green or Megatron type prospects

          • cliff henny

            my disagreement is on your ‘unknown’. we almost have to assume Mac is fine, if not, i’m even more lost of trading Jax, and not sure there’s a level above 100% against, but i’ll find it!
            .
            guess you just have to have faith in Kelly. mean, the guy made Cooper look good. that guy sucked for 3 yrs

      • Ark87

        Pretty poor production from THE speed route. Which I suppose is to be expected, that’s the big one the safety over the top is covering for. Seems to be at his best when he gets past the CB, then shakes the help with a change of direction, Crossing, posts, corners

        • cliff henny

          sure, get that 4.2 going away from people, aint no one outside usain bolt catching Jax. Jax wants to live 12-25 yds downfield, guess Kelly wants someone who can do that and get the 5yard slant and YAC. i’m at point, it’s done deal, might as well make sense of it, hope they get 2nd and 4th/5th.

          • Tom w

            Word. And early second and fourth. In this draft. Both odb and cooks can beat press coverage as well. Djax can’t

          • aub32

            Because both of those guys have faced off against NFL CBs right? This press coverage thing is so over blown. You don’t put up 1300+ yards when you can’t play against press coverage. Teams scheme for DeSean. We see it all the time. If they simple solution was press coverage, then why do defenses pay him so much attention.

          • JofreyRice

            Wasn’t that the pre-draft knock on him? Jackson can beat press? You don’t put up the kind of production he has in the league without the ability to beat press-man coverage. I’ve seen him beat press-man coverage, and I’m betting you have, too.

            The 2012 draft class was “loaded” with wide receivers, too. I like a lot of these guys, and would love to see the Eagles come out of the first 3 rounds with one, but not at the cost of Jackson.

          • Ark87

            It’s definitely his weakness. Most teams respect his speed and play way off on him, though. When a team does decide to press (like that’s their gameplan), we get creative. We line him up in the backfield, put him in motion, stack him up behind another WR. It’s a weakness, but no Achilles heel in the NFL these days, as you said. ( not vouching for or against these other proposed replacements either, will be the first to say I know nothing about how these college kids will play out in the NFL)

          • Ark87

            Yeah, another thing, I wonder if he was possible too fast for the go routes? Too many yards too fast, got outside of Nick’s comfort range by the time he reached that progression, I’d have to watch those plays to put a substance to the theory though.

          • aub32

            Both Vick and Nick missed DJax a number of times. I think about how a better QB would have had DJax at 1600+ yards.

  • Eagles1018

    Read this on the SI.com board. Great point honestly:

    Eagles trade Jackson they need to IMMEDIATELY find his exact duplicate to replace him. If you honestly don’t understand how INSTRUMENTAL Jackson was in getting McCoy the Rushing Title, Riley Cooper’s great year, Nick Foles’ emergence, Zack Ertz’s good rookie year, etc., etc. etc., for every good thing they accomplished Offensively, then like so many who watch the NFL, even for DECADES, you are truly ignorant.

    • peteike

      no, thats not entirely accurate. Every bit of success certainly didnt stem all from djax. Everyones gets how he opens things up, but the scheme and Foles play is still integral to it all working, including Ertz improving.

      • Eagles1018

        Cool. So me playing devils advocate, how does Shady put up similar numbers and how does Cooper see more one on ones? And how does Ertz continue to produce with Jax?

        • peteike

          first, Im not totally disagreeing here. He opens up a lot and w/o that threat I dont think its as easy. Im just saying its never an all or nothing debate. Certainly the scheme will at times still present a threat over the top with the run game with other WRs. Its not like they can just stack the box every 1st and 2nd down without some risk there. I think it will possibly be diminished for sure though if they dont replace his deep threat.

          • aub32

            Replacing a deep threat isn’t as easy as you are making it sound. Look out across the league. Look at how many teams would kill to have a deep threat. Take an even closer look. Most of those deep threats that teams have don’t give half the production of DeSean. He’s not some deep threat that had one good year. He’s a legit #1 WR. Those aren’t that easy to replace.

          • peteike

            hes also not the only reason for the entire offenses success is all Im saying

          • aub32

            He is not the only reason. However, he is one of the 2 Jenga pieces that in my opinion would have led to the offense crashing down. Without him, what would our WR corp look like last year? Would Rilet Cooper have been able to do anything against #1 CBs or double coverage? How about the idea of Avant on the outside. You can forget about single high safety looks. Those safeties would have been in the box. The offense in my opinion hinged on 2 players (The Seans) You can make an argument for Foles, but we were breaking offensive records before he took over. We weren’t winning games, but the offense was moving the ball and was the #2 offense in the league before he stepped in.

          • peteike

            ya agree, esp on the WR front, no way Cooper produces like that w/o him, just no way.

          • peteike

            and when did I say replacing him was “easy”

          • Adam G

            If teams would kill for one, how come nobody is beating down the Eagles door to trade for him?

          • anon

            I can give you $10mm reasons why

          • aub32

            Teams can’t afford his contract. We can. He would have to restructure in order to fit under the cap for most teams. That doesn’t mean teams don’t want him.

        • peteike

          actually its discussed right below this comment. Cliff says same thing essentially

        • Ark87

          Think of it this way, if DJax were to blow out his knee in week one, do you give Chip a pass this year? I would say no. I would expect the coach to adapt and succeed in spite of the loss of any single player, with the exception of the starting QB.

          • aub32

            What kind of way is that to think. We just traded away our #1 WR. O it’s just like an ACL injury, except for the fact he’s on some other team out producing every other WR we still currently have on this team. The only thing that will make the move justifiable is if the offense can out perform what it did last year. That may sound simple enough, but it’s not. Last year we were very healthy and faced some really bad defenses. This year we have a much harder schedule. The offense may take a step back even with DJax. However, you can bet that if the offense struggles while DJax is on his way to another 1300+ yard season that the media and fans will start losing some of this trust Chip before all else mentality.

          • Ark87

            It’s obviously wouldn’t be the same, in the sense one is optional, the other is not. Therefore you look dumb if you opt to go without a big talent like DJax rather than have said talent taken away from you by injury. But try to get inside a coaches head. In their minds they have to be ready to succeed without the services of any 1 piece. Coaches see players more interchangeable and expendable than say, a fan might.

            IE, we lose DJax, so maybe we do less 3WR sets, try to make advantage with size in 2 TE sets, or maybe have a second running back in the backfield to motion around (Sproles). I’m not saying DJax is bad or I want him gone, but I can see how Chip and the FO aren’t as afraid to deal DJax as we are.

          • anon

            We pay Riley $5 and deal Djax? Why is Riley even here — talk about a replaceable piece or a tradeable piece. Cooper is repleaceable with a 3rd or 5th in this draft, way easier than desean — why isn’t he on the block?

          • Ark87

            yeah, what would we get in return for, oh right we’d actually be losing picks to replace him rather than gaining. We had cap space, we don’t have enough picks. That’s why he’s back, instead of a 5th round WR.

          • aub32

            Of course they think that way, but just because there might be a way to produce doesn’t mean that you do it on purpose, especially when the 2nd option has less success (which I will admit we do not know at this point). Now if we were to get some Herschel Walker type deal then I would be ok. However, I don’t see a single scenario where we could possibly get compensation for DJax. Djax is worth at least a mid to high 1st and a 3rd. However, I don’t see a team that will give us that plus take on his contract. Kelly could prove he is better without DJax. However, I for one am not buying it.

          • Ark87

            I agree, and to be clear, I’m not advocating for him to be gone. I like Djax, and I certainly don’t think this would be an “addition by subtraction” scenario. IE a cut would be a massive mistake. In fact, factoring anything into a trade that isn’t production vs draft picks (letting any personal feelings like how he fits your culture) would be dumb.

          • aub32

            That’s my point. I don’t see anyway how we get enough compensation in the form of draft picks to make sense of a trade. Now if this were next year and Mac had proven himself, then I would feel differently. However, Mac didn’t put up DJax numbers before the injury. So I have my doubts about him now. I like Kelly. However, I think if he trades DJax, it’s a beyond dumb decision. I will continue to feel that way until he shows that this team is better off without him.

          • Ark87

            Personally, I don’t think we will get an offer for enough and don’t think we can. I still think when the smoke clears and the dust settles, D Jax will be an eagle…if slightly disgruntled from the process…

          • aub32

            Giving him some more guaranteed money will make this whole ordeal go away.

          • Ark87

            I’d be ok with that. He’s that guy if you listen to reputation or what have you, after that down year in 2011, you would never want to give him his money…he got paid…and then played his butt off in a lost year, to a lot of people’s surprise. And that didn’t change in 2013. I guess I’m saying I wouldn’t be afraid to give the man his money, he’s proven he will play hard for you when you pay him.

        • Kev_H

          How did Maclin, Avant and Foles put up numbers equivalent to 4,600 passing and 1300+ receiving yards each without Jackson in 4 games in 2012?

          • aub32

            WHAT??? Where are these numbers coming from? Are you telling me that you took the numbers against some of the worst pass defenses in the league and projected them throughout an entire season? Who does that> How does that even make sense? You are literally making this too easy. You have absolutely no argument. So you are making up some of the most absurd points I have ever seen.

      • Eagles1018

        Sorry w/o Jax

    • Tom w

      That’s one of the dumbest things I ever read. If you don’t think a healthy oline and McCoy helped more than djax you are seriously mistaken. Beyond that, having the greatest offensive mind in the last decade as head coach is all that matters. I have little to no doubt we would again be a top 5 offense with or without djax. Kelly is everything.

      • Eagles1018

        Ok let me begin this response by saying I love Coach Kelly for the Eagles. The sports science, the attitude, etc. From a football sense I most certainly don’t hold a candle to him. BUT…to the guys in the league he’s not reinventing the wheel. It’s still football…X’s and O’s. So he’s not “everything”. Kelly himself would tell you his game planning doesn’t go without the right guys. Hence, they need D Jax or someone close to that to make this team go. Is J Mac a good replacement? Maybe. But sh*t man all I know is at the end of the day this is a huge distractions to the real issues at hand. We need to get exponentially better at rushing the passer and securing the back end

      • Eagles1018

        This is also not to take anything away from the O line cuz I agree and I’d put them against most if not every O line in the league. But that guy that gives you 6 points from anywhere on the field (wide, slot, back field, on screens, go routes, etc). has to be accounted for. That’s 2 less guys that are focused in on the box and stuffing the run. If you keep those guys over the top and show run then Coop and Ertz are in single coverage. I mean I could eventually figure that out it’s not rocket surgery.

        • Kev_H

          Jackson isn’t exactly a touchdown maker or elusive open field runner anymore. His rushing yards and return yards have been poor the last three years and I don’t recall him doing much in the screen game or out of the backfield on passes either. At this point he is a fast WR. He is no longer the multi-threat he was from 2008-2010.

          • anon

            Did you even watch the season, or look at his stat breakdown that someone posted?

          • aub32

            Did you watch our STs unit? DJax can’t do it on his own. Every punt returner needs some blocking. Also, did you watch any of the runs that DJ had that got called back due to someone else making a mistake?

      • aub32

        As good a mind Kelly has, he can’t do it without talent. Kelly isn’t out there catching footballs and burning past DBs. Also, how much success would McCoy have had if he faced 8 or 9 man fronts? I personally highly doubt he would have won the rushing title with DJax.

        • Kev_H

          I don’t care that he won the rushing title and hope he doesn’t win one again. Look at the list of rushing leaders and you see a lot of guys who have nothing to do with winning championships (Maurice Jones-Drew, AP, Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, Priest Holmes….). If you go back all the way to 1970 the only rushing leaders to win championships were Terrell Davis and Emmitt Smith. You see alot of Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, OJ Simpson (11 rushing titles in 15 years from those three), but not many winners. Loved watching them all, but if your offense is predicated on one guy rushing for a lot of yards, you are easy to stop.

          • aub32

            What in world does that have to do with my point? Are you making the point that we should get rid of DJax so that Shady has to face more players in the box so that he can never win the rushing title, therefore increasing our chances at winning a SB? What???

    • Kev_H

      How did the Broncos break all those records last year without DeSeason Jackson or his exact duplicate? How did the Patriots have a dynasty with David Given, David Patten, and Deion Branch at WR? 1. It isn’t playground ball in the NFL 2. An NFL QB’s eyes have far, far more influence on the safeties and coverage than a little fast guy who might get behind you but is easy to tackle, doesn’t always sell his routes, and doesn’t keep working/come back to the QB on broken plays.

      • Eagles1018

        The broncos broke this records with Peyton Manning throwing. We are a run offense that can switch it up with the pass. They’re the opposite. From everything I’m reading you make it seem as though D Jax is expendable? When you refer to a players value just look at his contract. The Eagles saw something in him that made him worth the money they paid him to stick around.

      • aub32

        I am a huge DJax fan, but come on guy, he isn’t the be all end all. Denver is a terrible example for your point. They were loaded last year. By the way, you know who was number 2 in offense last year? The team with DJax. I can’t believe you brought up a team with a number 1 and 1a WR to make the point we don’t need a #1 WR? That wasn’t very bright.

        Let’s look at the Pats. You are right. They didn’t have a single WR up to the level of DJax when they were winning SBs, but you know what? They also had a defense. Tell me we are trading DJax for JJ Watt, and I am all for it. However, our defense is nothing special. They are below average when you consider the depth. So we need to make the offense better. You don’t get better on offense by getting rid of your #1 WR for a #2 coming off of an ACL injury.

      • anon

        Dude pick another team besides the broncos and pats who have two of the greatest QBs ever. Maybe nick foles can be great but it’s a false comparison.

        Second Broncos gave Peyton literally the best weapons they could, they didn’t cheap out. They also smartly let Decker walk even though he had 2 great years with Peyton. They wouldn’t let D. Thomas walk who is really the no. 1. Now compare that with the Eagles.

        Third, look at the pats they had great wide receivers over the years. They have crappy ones now and look at the passing year that Brady just had. Players want to get paid now – doesn’t matter who you are. Just like big people beat little people talent wins.

        • Eagles1018

          Just found a stat on D Jax that’s telling: he is one of only nine wideouts to post at least 350 receptions, 6,000 yards from scrimmage and 35 touchdowns since 2008. So anyone that feels we can just “poof” and replace that let me know….

          • aub32

            Thank you. People act like Kelly is the only reason DJax had a good year. The guy is consistent despite the scheme. Coop was made by the help of the system. DJax helped make the system.

          • anon

            Currently playing WRs? That’s crazy considering he basically took a year off.

            I think the Raiders came in with 2 seconds and they were like well maybe it could be a harvin-like trade. But it’s not so Djax isn’t going anywhere. I’d rather them be silent than lie.

  • Token

    Write up on Eric Ebron. Russ Lande thinks hes the best offensive weapon outside of Sammy Watkins in the draft.

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/69154730/nfl-draft-prospect-scouting-report-north-carolina-tight-end-eric-ebron

    • Tom w

      Gotta take him if he is there unless Barr falls …. Id prefer a trade back at that point but wouldn’t be upset

  • Tom w

    So I was thinking about our draft and who has the power …. When Andy was here he got top 3 rounds and Howie got the rest in 10 and 11. Howie got all of 12. Looking back at our draft last yr it’s pretty obvious Kelly was the one picking first three rounds or atleast a very very heavy say and Howie had more say w barkely who he absolutely loved and wanted to trade up for and wanted to draft the prior that if he came out.

    Got a weird feeling chip could go lee/cooks, Murphy on first two rounds w the pac10 background/love

  • PaoliBulldog

    I propose that every NFL team field two 47-man squads (say, the “Midnight Green” and the “Charcoal”) and play two seasons per year: one from January 1 until June 30, the other from July 1 until December 31. Two sets of playoffs, two Super Bowls. That way I can waste my time talking about actual football rather than trying to figure out how much trade DJax has.

  • aub32

    Here’s another thing I don’t get about the people who claim money is a factor. What happens if we trade DJax and Mac puts up 75+ catches, 1100 yds, and 11 TDs? Do we just let him walk in FA next year?

    • cliff henny

      money is always a factor. they’ll be camp cuts, always some batting average guy Howie can line-up at gunner

      • aub32

        I know you are all about the cap, but you have to be kidding. So why not just field a team full of scraps and hope we draft well enough plus have an Evan Mathis or 8 pop up. You pay for top talent. That’s how the league works. We aren’t in the AFC, and Foles isn’t Brady. We won’t get far if that’s the type of WR corp we choose to go with.

        • aub32

          Plus people who bring up the Pats forget. They may not be spending big on WRs, but Gronk and Hernandez got paid.

        • cliff henny

          well, was joking. you’re all heated, missed it. here’s the numbers. right now, sitting at 18m under. Jax hit would be 6m, but free 6m, so up to 24m. Eagles pay higher than average salary, why they don’t run into dead money issue, if Jax brings 2 solid picks, best guess is 10m in cap hit. ’15 cap is running over about 2m right now (assuming 140m cap), removing Jax’s 12m in ’15 and adding rookies of ’14 draft(assume 10m again), gets them level. have another batch of rookies, 10m, which would be paid by rollover of 14m, or there abouts, will be some moves in ’14 that cost. now you have plenty of dead weight that can be cut to make room for ’12s class to be signed and more free agents.

          • aub32

            Where are you getting a 10M cap hit. Kaep was a 2nd round pick. He’s making just over 1M. Even if DJax were to warrant 2 2nd round picks, there’s no way the cap hit would be 10M. Please explain where you got that figure, if I am incorrect.

          • cliff henny

            all picks, that about what it’ll cost to sign 8, if eagles get say a 2nd and 5th for jax

          • aub32

            O ok. I thought you meant 10M for those two players.

          • cliff henny

            tried editing, hopefully little clearer. eagles don’t have the greatest ’15 cap. it’s not an issue, but money will need to be cleared. mean, I wouldn’t start with jax, but that might be math money vs jax drama vs picks Howie/Kelly are discussing

          • aub32

            Still doesn’t make sense. We have discussed 2015 before. There are too many other players that absolutely will not be here. There’s no way Cole, Graham, Todd, CW, Casey, and whomever else make it on this team under their current price tag or at all. Again they are going to have to pay someone eventually, why not pay one of the most productive WRs over the last half decade that is currently in his prime.

          • cliff henny

            the whole issue is we see jax as offense defining, while Kelly sees him as…??? Kelly sees ability of draft available WRs to step into what he wants as…??? if he doesn’t ‘value’ 1350 and 9 from Jax, then removing his contract does make financial sense. for life of me, have no idea why he wouldn’t value jax’ production and think he can replace after 1 yr in league, but i’m not a football genius.

  • GEAGLE

    This is exhausting….I’d rather them just trade them tonight then to continue this dance all weekend

    • cliff henny

      you just want 2 more picks or defense…wont happen, all offense, my source told me.

      • GEAGLE

        You know how many days it’s been since we only been talking Desean? I’d rather trade anyone then spend a week like this
        ..
        Charlotte observer who reported our Mike Mitchell interest, say we called the panthers about Desean! not the other way around

        • cliff henny

          ah, just be talking about resigning Vick for backup, arguing over that. 3 universal truths, 1, water finds it’s own level 2,if you don’t think you should, then you really shouldn’t 3, bored eagles fans are angry eagles fans

          • GEAGLE

            Give the defense Marcus!Kirksey and Whitlock in the 7th, and you can draft 3 WR, sign another 3 Undrafted ones…
            ..
            Yes I want a 5’9 260lb nose tackle. This little person, beats the shit out of big people lol

          • cliff henny

            yeah, watch him a lot due to campanaro. he was a beast. didn’t you hear, Kelly hates little people, why he traded for 6’5 sproles

          • GEAGLE

            Lol his lil ass benched like 45reps the other day..wtf?
            ..
            I have heard phrases like “Whitlock is probably the last prospect you want to run into in a dark alley”
            ..
            Strong, mean and Nasty!! I worry someone will convert him to FB tho lol… I want to see him play Nose!!!!..I don’t really want us to draft him, but I would have a lot of fun with him on the birds

          • cliff henny

            versatility, like it…my only question…can he play WR?

          • GEAGLE

            We will make him and H back just for you…no worries, H backs catch passes too

          • Maggie

            5’9″? 260 pounds? It’s a wonder he can walk. Bet he can’t lift his arms above his head, when vertical, or put his arms down by his side. I suppose as long as he can waddle toward the QB he would do. ;~)

  • GEAGLE

    Can anyone talk to me about the Dowling kid? Safety out of western Kentucky? He remind anyone else of Wolff?

  • GEAGLE

    From now on I will only talk college prospects on Desean trade threads lol

    • GEAGLE

      Thought I would enjoy this offseason. No QB battle, no Marriotta talk…as always we have to flip out during an offseason…hope Jason peters takes one for the team and gets arrested for drag racing again..or shady tosses M****E out of the party bus again…heck weren’t we supposed to have a team sex boat to keep every out pf trouble during the offseason. I thought we all agreed on the team sex boat

  • GEAGLE

    Unless,we trade him to the jets, I hear Marty wants cooks

  • guest

    Has no one pointed out that Doug Farrar has the Eagles signing the wrong Jenkins? The Eagles signed S MALCOLM Jenkins. The Bucs signed CB MIKE Jenkins.

    Also, Pete Prisco is an idiot. They didn’t pay Jenkins top dollar. Byrd and Whitner got paid top dollar. Jenkins did not. And his Sproles comment is lazy and wrong. “they already have McCoy.” Sproles has never been a #1 tailback in his career. What does Shady have to do with anything? And Sproles should really be considered more of a WR than a RB anyway.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    That’s it. I’m convinced that Johnny Geagle is in love with himself. Loves to hear himself talk so much, that he has conversations with himself in the mirror…lol.

    • Maggie

      Multiple personality disorder, plus what you said.

  • ChandlerMc

    If I’m being honest with myself here I have to admit the only reason I’ve liked DJacc is because of the logo on the front of his uniform. But he’s all about the name on the back. The guy really is a DJaccAss. If and when he’s on another team I’ll be free to let out my pent-up disdain for his diminutive arse.