Report: Eagles Contacted Panthers About Jackson

Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson (10) returns a punt return against the Detroit Lions during the fourth quarter of the Snow Bowl

Another day, another DeSean Jackson report.

The latest one, however, provides a bit of a twist. It’s the first information that suggests the Eagles are actively calling teams to gauge their interest in Jackson.


A league source tells the Charlotte Observer that the Panthers were one of the teams the Eagles reached out to about Jackson. Per the report, the Panthers have only about $5 million in cap space and are not in position to take on Jackson's salary.

Yesterday, an NFL Network report indicated the Eagles had talked to Carolina, Oakland and the Jets about Jackson. The Raiders and Jets both have needs at wide receiver and would be in position to take on the wide receiver's salary.

The Eagles have not said much of anything about Jackson. But the owners' meetings in Orlando are next week. Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman and Chip Kelly are expected to be available to the media.

Birds 24/7 will be there with full coverage.

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  • K.

    At this point, doesn’t sound like he will be on the opening night’s roster. Just hope they get more than a 3rd rounder for him though!

    • Brandon Schlosser

      It should be a no go if they don’t get something comparable to the Harvin deal.

      • JofreyRice

        that’s just crazy talk. Gotta unload this probowl wideout for whatever you can get for him.

        • cliff henny

          Bicknell must have serious clout with kelly

  • EagleDuck

    “Per the report, the Panthers have only about $5 million in cap space and are not in position to take on Jackson’s salary.”

    What if they were looking to get someone in return that had an even larger salary then DeSean? Wouldn’t that make sense? Works for me on Madden….

    • Philly0312

      hahaha….true enough.

      Likely the deal would be contingent on a new contract for Djax, where he’d get new contract, a small base salary for this year, and a larger bonus.

    • JofreyRice

      yeah, and there was no way the Saints could sign Jairus Byrd.

      • peteike

        but that cap, that oh so precious cap

    • smallestsmurf

      Like the franchised Greg Hardy for example?

  • Brandon Schlosser

    I’d be interested to see any All 22 evidence that would suggest Desean not being a fit for Kelly. It seemed like he was a willing blocker but did disappear a bit down the stretch. He also doesn’t have very good wiggle in tight spaces.

    • Bullwinkle

      He had good wiggle in tight spaces when he returned the punt to win the game against the Giants a few years back. He was an electric punt returner at Cal and when used more frequently by the Eagles for this job in the past.

      • Brandon Schlosser

        Good point. Just seems like if he doesn’t have lane he tries to go backward and make one instead of trying to shake a guy. Don’t get me wrong I’m a fan. Just trying to understand the mindset if all this is true.

  • Sean

    Oh, Mercer me – another DeSean Story!

    • cliff henny

      only thing better than watching the dukies get bounced is a season ending soul crushing INT by Romo

      • Guest

        You mean Kyle Orton.

        • peteike

          theyre all good, Orton being the best one

    • peteike

      I think its easy to under estimate some of these mid majors with like 28-4 records but are 14, 15 seeds. Nobody knows how good they really are. Great win by Mercer

  • UM-Iceman

    Ugh.

  • RIP illa

    So they are actively shopping him. Finally we get a bit of closure on one point of contention! F Howie and Chip!!!

    • peteike

      F Howie and Chip? the guys that just made a team in total disarray and in rebuild mode, get to the playoffs in season 1. Cmon now, its one player. I dont want him traded either

      • RIP illa

        Lol. They’re gonna keep winning the division, or should, cuz it’s so damn weak. This team was not suffering from lack of talent, well except from on the defensive side of the ball, it was suffering from Andy. So yes, I love that we got rid of Andy for Chip, in that sense. But people blow it up way too much. The guy hasn’t turned water into wine!!! He still has a lot to prove. And please don’t get me started on Roseman!!! It’s not just that they’re trading DJax, which in itself, should draw ire. It’s every single stupid, mishandled part of this situation!!! So F Chip and F Howie!!!

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          My Uncle tried to warn me they were gonna trade Jax. We argued. I listened when he said Kelly wants a big wideout (think TO) and Jax was the bargaining chip that would get him.

          I still didn’t like it. But I agreed. If they are trying to make a play for a big explosive wideout than yeah…you deal Jax. However, all this talk ’bout “diva this and diva that” well…Kelly will soon learn this ain’t college. Wideouts and Dbs are DIvas. Period. Deal with it. The good coaches do.

          You may be able win during the regular season with so/so talent – but come playoff time that bites you in the arse every time. Kelly should know – he did great in Oregon with less than blue chip players – but could never win the big one. As a matter of fact a certain Carolina player sealed his (lack of) championship fate. Talent matters…so I really hope this strictly about getting a more prototypical WR and not some “diva” BS.

          • peteike

            Id be way more inclined to believe that than any malcontent talk

          • RIP illa

            Yes. Finally. Just be straight up with it. But instead we get BS reporters and commenters making up shit and speculating just to have everything make sense when nothing makes more sense than, it’s just Chip’s preference.

          • RIP illa

            Completely agree. Land like I have been saying for the past week or so, if they are gonna go that route, they better get good compensation and this ish better work going forward.

        • Tom w

          Relax cuz … He is one player … Not end all be all coming off a great year after two subpar years … And Howie landed chip when no ones said he could and foles and two stud draft classes in a row … And chip turned around a shit mess into a top offense …. I have absolute confidence this offense doesn’t miss a bit without djax …. And could care less at this point if they trade him … Not for it but realistically know djax is not what makes this team go

        • Eagles4Life

          THANK YOU. We already had talent on offense, we just schemed better, which I give him a ton of credit for. And finally we have a defense other than one that was set up by an oline coach. We weren’t going to be worse off. This is a blunder any way you look at it.

          • woody7236

            The “blunder” was to overpay DJax. Dropping him from the roster saves 10+M and we get a pick. This team is still rebuilding and shaping the roster. Djax can’t be a #1 receiver. So you either move him to the slot or move on. They chose move on.

          • Eagles4Life

            How is he overpaid? Compare his salary to his colleagues. Look at his numbers and his influence on defenses too. Don’t know where you conjured up any of that.

          • Jernst

            He’s pretty much the 8th highest paid WR which is certainly in line w his production. The only question is whether Chip feels that his limited size and skill set limits what Chip can do offensively but that’s a question I can’t answer. If the reports are true it seems chip wants something different at WR.

          • Jernst

            We would end up having a dead space cap hit of about $6.5 million from the acceleration of his signing bonus proration. So the savings would only be about $4mil for a team that certainly doesn’t need it.

          • Warhound

            Yeah, and savings next year, and the next.

          • Jernst

            Yes that’s essentially what we would do. We’d eat $6.5 mil in dead space this year and have his $12mil off the books next yr. if we waited till next yr to do it the dead space hit would be ~$4mil or so and wed still save $8mil. I just think it makes too much sense to inflate his numbers one more year in our system and trade/cut him next yr once we already have a viable replacement. I just hate the unknown of going into this yr with Maclin recovering from his second acl on the same knee and Riley Cooper as our only actual viable WRs … Does that not scare anyone else

  • peteike

    on the staying quiet part, I totally get it. I dont think you can equate that with open communication, open door policy that chip offers. I suppose you can if youre worried about a professional athletes feelings. I think its a different story when a team is in tact, practicing etc and want to talk to the coach. Off season moves, trade and all the business angles are a different story. They shouldnt feel any obligation to discuss that stuff with the players they may move, just my opinion. I think you can separate those two aspects of an open door policy and not conflate one with the other. I suppose for a players home life, family etc and having to move to another city could be a factor in open door talks but if hes moved, its happening anyway.

    • RIP illa

      Or if the deal falls apart and you’re stuck with a player. Now you just created a miserable work environment that ripples throughout. This is a serious cluster F, botched job by the FO. So laughable. Gold Standard my ASS!!!

      • DEBO 215

        “Gold standard” was Banner and he’s gone. I wouldn’t say the front office is any more or less responsible then DeSean is. He chirped his way into this mess when he started talking about his contract before the dust settled from the playoff loss. No one in the organization has said a word either…it’s all “sources”…I’ll believe it when I hear it from them.

        • RIP illa

          Gold Standard was Lurie!!! Not Banner. Lurie Started that shit with his press conference. And GTFO with Djax being just as responsible. That’s just straight up BS!!! Yeah he’s so responsible by buying in, playing his ass off, and ANSWERING a question presented to him, with saying he would like and think he deserves more garunteed money!!! Just as F’n responsible!!! But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of spewing BS! So many people on here just keep spitting the same made up hot garbage narrative!

          • DEBO 215

            Banner used to say that rhetoric all the time. It was tired then and it’s tired now. If DeSean isn’t responsible, then why did these rumors begin in the first place? He’s a pro-bowl WR who is 27 years old, has a small cap number and is coming off of a career best year. Why would you trade that guy? When someone asks you publicly about your contract, you do what 99% of the league does: Tell them to ask your agent.

          • Bracey

            The rumors started because the media needed news to get readers during the offseason. I don’t buy any of this crap but it may just happen now because of how DeSean has been affected and is upset and because the Eagles haven’t taken the time to squash it. I think the first rumors saying they’re picking up the phone (as they would for anyone) were true but it’s been so blown out now it’s becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

          • DEBO 215

            And let me clarify here, I don’t want them to move him. DeSean is filthy in this offense and is a playmaker. He was a top 10 WR last season and a top 5 WR for a good portion of it. There’s no way they get enough of a return on investment for him and it leaves a hole that won’t soon be filled. Not to mention, he already knows Chips offense, which is hard enough for a new player to learn. I said it above and I’ll say it again: If you’re not getting Watkins or Evens out of this draft, then there’s no way in hell you’re trading DeSean. Period.

        • Eagles4Life

          The guy was asked and he gave an honest answer. It’s not like he went home and was in his driveway doing push-ups with reporters around talking shit.

      • peteike

        good point but then thats where being a pro matters from the players side. We saw how that worked out before with him, I wont ever blame a FO for that….(ok except for banner/dawk/TO) haha

  • DEBO 215

    Why the hell are they actively trying so hard to move him? Especially to Carolina…I could see the Jets or Raiders…Maybe DeSean and a 2 or 3 to for their 1…but Carolina’s 1 is the same as ours…

    If you’re dealing DeSean, you better come out of that draft with Mike Evens or Sammy Watkins…this is some bull $hit

  • Dilwala_G

    I want to say its just too illogical to be real, but the Eagles have disappointed us this way before – it feels like Ruben Amaro secretly got control of the Eagles FO (remember trading Cliff Lee right before they had a chance at historic rotation b/c they really needed the prospects?). Here is hoping the rest of the league is too stupid to offer real value for him and he stays

  • DEBO 215

    Side note: Parker was what? 4-14 today?
    WIGGGINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    #KEEPTANKING
    #LOTTOOOOOOOO

  • Bullwinkle

    For some reason, this is starting to remind me of all the theories about the missing airliner. If the stories are true, then there has to be much more to this than Chip Kelly deciding Jackson is just not the best fit in the locker room. Either Jackson did something unforgiveable or the Eagles have a much bigger plan.

    • Maggie

      Bigger plan.

  • cliff henny

    5 stages of grief…i’m in bargaining…RIP is peaking in anger!

    • JofreyRice

      i’m in the stage where you act like a know-it-all prick. Oh wait, that’s just me.

    • RIP illa

      LMAO. I told Jerry P before, that I went through all my stages at once, just to get them out of the way. All that’s left over now is anger, but it’s mostly derived from dumb ass commenters that keep making up stupid ass shit, to try and support the situation. Talking nonsense about DJax, just so this move can make some sense!!! I read it day after day, and it does nothing to help quell the anger.

      • DEBO 215

        Nothing makes sense about trading a pro-bowl wr the caliber and age of DeSean Jackson unless the return is huge. Literally, nothing.

        • James Hathaway

          Big people beat up little people. All that comment really means is, Chip is bigger than Desean and will beat him up and throw him out like yesterday’s newspaper.

        • RIP illa

          Unless it’s just what Chip want’s and/or ego (Chip’s) driven, or there’s some real diabolical shit we don’t know about DJax, then no…nothing does. That’s why without knowing the aforementioned, it just seems really damn stupid all around. Already said that this better work if it goes through. That means compensation and the state of the team in the future. But it’s too late to change around how badly this FO handled things and how much of a distraction they caused, although they are so anti-distraction when it comes to players.

          • DEBO 215

            Yeah they haven’t come out and refuted anything…They haven’t really done anything.
            I’m still skeptic that it’s all BS and media hype…but we’ll see.

          • OldDocRoss

            At this stage I’m almost certain it isn’t and I’m absolutely certain D-Jax is pissed. about the rumours.

            I can’t think of any smart reason for a company in any industry to know a high value employee has become unsettled and not do anything to rectify it. Unless they can’t, because the thing making the guy unhappy is true.

        • Eagles4Life

          Get ready for more disappointment when it goes down. SMH.

      • Take a Chill Pill

        Then go root for another team! You or I have no say about what the Eagles do. If they want to trade him, they will trade him. Nothing anyone can do about it. You said below “F Chip and F Howie!!!”, I will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove me otherwise. Chip had great offenses everywhere he has coached but has only had DJax for one year. He will figure this all out. Have a little faith, damn!!

        • RIP illa

          Oh I forgot…ok for people to hate on players but never the GM nor coach!!! F U…Go root for my nuzt!!!

          • JofreyRice

            It would be a strange twist of fate if he actually did root for your nutz next season.

          • Maggie

            Well, Geagle roots for his own all the time.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yeah, “go support someone else if you don’t accept 100% of what the FO does!” is not a well thought through argument. I like the vast majority of what they’ve done since Chip got here but that doesn’t stop me thinking trading DeSean for a mid-round pick would be stoopid.

            I won’t be openly supporting your nutz, but I certainly wish them no ill.

          • Eagles4Life

            LMAO upvote!

      • Tom w

        Yea refusing to talk w your wr coach is nothing … Hear he is broke too and staged the unforced entry robbery to get the insurance money … Eagles not happy at all

        You act like the kid is jerry rice or something … Replaceable in this draft

        • Eagles4Life

          So you’re guaranteed to get his production replaced in the draft without speculation? Is that what you’re proffering right now? Lol

        • RIP illa

          No I actike all the BS you’re talking bout with stage robbery and being broke is just that…BS until proven true! I act like the kid is home grown and our best home grown WR we’ve had in about 20 years. I like like that Chip and Howie talk outta their ass with their “taking care of their own” and “buying in” and “Desean, you’re safe and not going anywhere” and all their other blah blah blah BS rhetoric. I act like they are hypocrites! I act like I’m tired of people/media trying to tear down a young black man with lies, fabrications, and with no proof, all cuz he doesn’t fit there social mold and isn’t afraid to be who he is instead of who they want him to be. And I act like I’m tired of this team phasing away legit stars and never replacing them.

  • JofreyRice

    I’m wondering, if they were to sign Greg Hardy to a longterm deal, how much of the 14 million he’s tagged for could likely be freed up?

    Just a quick check of Over the cap shows that if they cut two bench players that didn’t play much for them last year, Charles Godfrey & Dwan Edwards, they free up another 5 mil. And that’s before the real creative minds think about how to free up money and convert stuff to the next year. Gettleman did a nice job in bringing in some more talent, and cleaning up the cap mess Hurney made for him with those absurd running back contracts, but if Gettleman can’t get Cam some weapons, he’s going to have a short tenure. I don’t see this as unlikely as some do.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Reports are varied on how much interest Carolina has. Some say a lot. Others say none. However – not getting Cam weapons AND letting Smith go – if they don’t make the playoffs next year Gettleman’s leash gets REAL short – rather quickly.

      • JofreyRice

        making a move like that would make sense, considering the arms race the top NFC teams are engaged in. I think you can make the case with that defense, their run game, and Cam throwing to a receiver like Desean, they would have a shot of knocking off Seattle, NO, or SF on any given sunday. Hate to see us help other teams get better, by making our team worse.

        • peteike

          yup trading him to Jets, Raiders makes more sense, if sense is to be had here

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          I would be real pissed if they move him to another NFC team. I agree with you, adding Jackson with Car’s defense would basically put Car in the “not likely to win” category with San Fran and the Hawks next year.

          • Richard Colton

            Vick signed with the Jets, so there’s that…

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Vick signing with Jets only makes sense if they are going to make a go for Djax. If they really beleive Geno is their guy then bringing in Vick isn’t a way to show that.

          • Richard Colton

            Jets offense is a mess no matter who the bring in. They better hope the D wins them 10 games.

    • cliff henny

      CP has money in ’15. they could easier bring jax in for 3yrs at say 6m, 10m 10m, and wouldn’t effect them at all.

  • Eagles1018

    I honestly can’t believe they’re shopping this dude. I really don’t know what to think.

    Brandon Graham
    James Casey
    Bryce Brown
    Vinny Curry

    In that order I’d look to trade one of those guys first. You may get less than a 2nd or 3rd rounder but really if this draft is as deep as everyone says it shouldn’t matter if you get a 4th or 5th rd pick in return. I’m really stunned and confused that the Eagles are doing this

    • DEBO 215

      I’d keep Curry. The rest can go though and I agree 100%.

    • G_WallyHunter

      I guess that makes thousands of us, and all we can do is look in from the outside, yay

    • James Hathaway

      Curry is the man. He bleeds green. He is exactly the kind of player that we need to build around. Give him another year, see if he adapts to run support, and if not… then trade him. I want him to be a cornerstone of this defense. I would be really upset to see him go.

      • DEBO 215

        Big fan of Curry

      • Bracey

        I agree. Curry is great and we need to let him develop.
        I also don’t get all of this talk about needing a pure pass rusher at OLB when that’s exactly what we have with Graham. He was one of the most productive players per snap in the league when he was on the field. GIVE HIM A SHOT!

  • Threagles

    @Tim_McManus: Just spoke with two sources close to DeSean. Receiver now believes he will not be back.”
    @975TheFanatic:
    McManus: It’s a matter of when, not if.

    • DEBO 215

      Again with these “sources”. I’m tired of “sources”. Until I hear anything from DeSean, his agent or our front office, IMO it’s garbage.

    • JofreyRice

      oh pshaw! everything’s fine. They don’t respond to rumors.

  • botto

    its true that now if we do not trade him we are stuck with mopey desean instead of fired up deasean. then we are really screwed. so i guess we have to trade him now. damn

    • JofreyRice

      yep. FO botched the shit outta this. Need to tighten up security at the Novakremlin.

      • G_WallyHunter

        They somehow let Gonzalez and Mosher get on the second floor and it was all over

      • DEBO 215

        Or at least you know…respond…to…rumors…lol

        • UKEagle99

          Just let Huls loose to ‘quell’ them before they start.

        • Maggie

          Really? Why?

  • peteike

    Maybe nothings happened yet because the asking price is too high. They wont move him unless they get a really good return. They dont say anything because it wont do any good. They either broker a good deal or keep him. If he stays, what good is it to tell him you are shopping him around. That guarantees resentment, otherwise they can simply say it was just media rumors (although near impossible to hide the truth these days). Saying nothing is better option here regardless.

  • Ark87

    Gotta say, I’ve been bored by the offseason news cycle, but never quite exhausted the way all this has me. So much so that I don’t even wan’t to talk about these players in the draft that by pure odds almost certainly won’t be one of our 6 draft picks….lets talk about Game of Thrones or something for a while :-P

  • G_WallyHunter

    Obviously something we have no idea about going on with this situation, Desean did something behind the scenes I don’t know, something between CK and Djax, and us fans will be real pissed off until we become aware of the true reasons a top 10 receiver is traded away for a 2nd round pick or lower

    • Eagles4Life

      Lol you HOPE there is something going on that we don’t know about. Because from all angles at present, this looks like a shit show.

      • G_WallyHunter

        no I think there’s plenty going on that we don’t know, something potentially huge, because it just doesn’t make sense given the limited information that we have

        • Eagles4Life

          FOs do plenty of stupid things. I’m just saying it could go either way.

  • Uncle Wonder

    Chip gained a huge following this year…if he makes the decision to get rid of DeSean and the team takes even half a step backwards…even if it has nothing to do with the offense, lots of ppl will turn on him.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Last time I checked this was the NFL, which has 53 men on their roster. Players get cut, traded, etc….popular players at that. It’s the way of the beast.

      What if they take a step back? They were definitely not expected to go 10-6. Is 9-7 or a repeat of 10-6 unacceptable? What if they surprised everyone and win the SB? I’m sure DJax would be LONG forgotten and Kelly forever a Saint in Philly.

      • Uncle Wonder

        Sure, if we win a SB all will be rainbows and lollipops…but that scenario isnt relevant to my point. No one cares what we were expected to do this past year…now that they were able to accomplish what they did, fans will expect even greater things this coming season…thats the way of the beast…right?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yes, you would assume that. And quite frankly, I don’t know if I came off the wrong way, but I sense some snarkiness in your response and I was being far from argumentative. I don’t waste my time with that crap.

          My point is that if people are too blind to let this play out before wanting to burn Kelly at the stakes, than they obviously don’t get it and probably didn’t really buy into Chip in the first place, but rather have more stock into that one player. Sometimes, you just gotta take a step back to take 2 steps forward. Especially when you’re a new coach and can’t replace everyone out the gate coming in. Sometimes you gotta make due with what you have and see how the pieces fit in the bigger picture. How do we even know that Chip went to Howie & said he wanted DeSean gone? Howie could’ve approached Chip and said, look we’re thinking about moving on from DeSean. You good with that?

          I don’t want to see him gone, but I’m not gonna lose sleep over it from day 1 if it goes down, but rather see how it all shakes out in the end.

          • Adam G

            This is very well put. I just don’t get so many people blindly supporting Desean. WE don’t know what goes on behind closed doors and frankly, Chip has earned way more faith from us than Desean.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I don’t place as much stock in a player as I used to. Meaning I don’t put my heart into that one player, but rather the whole team of players. Free Agency changed that. Seeing Reggie, Keith Jackson, Duce, Dawk, etc go elsewhere regardless of direct reason has kept me from becoming too “attached” to one guy. Hell I’ve got a Shady jersey and I still ask myself if it would make the team better, would I trade him? I love the guy, but my allegiance is to a SB win. It would take a Herschel Walker’esque trade, but I’d still reserve judgement until I see what the return gives me on the field. Not on paper or stats. I’d hate it inside, but still would wait to see how it unfolds.

      • Maggie

        Many upvotes on NFL being a business.

  • cliff henny

    Giants signed John Jerry, yeah, O-line is fine.

  • FinsterBaby

    At least we’ll have something to point at 5 years from now when Chip is gone and we still have no championship. Even thinking about trading Jackson makes no sense – when it doesn’t work out it will be beginning of end for Chip. I love the Eagles but tolerating this kind of stupidity is damn tough. Team had better chemistry last year than any time since Dawkins left and by letting this go on even this long they just took a big dump on that.

    • peteike

      wow, so much negativity on this one. I get why but at the same time most were in favor of letting Chip bring “his” guys in. If this is his plan you have to see it through. If he gets a decent return and makes it work, most will forget about this. Plenty of fans called out some of djaxs limitations in past seasons. Chip had some say in using him properly as well. I bet his production wont be nearly as potent on a team like the Jets. Thats obvious though, I just wont ever make grand predictions based on one player.

      • Uncle Wonder

        Its a given that a new coach will bring ‘his’ guys in, but it seems counterintuitive to turn over possibly your most effective position player

      • Eagles4Life

        If you’re getting a third rounder for him, do you really believe Chip’s going to get the production/influence loss and some???

        • peteike

          nope, if they only get a 3rd rounder Ill be just as fake mad as everyone else here

      • FinsterBaby

        You’re right I’m being too negative but Philly sports is littered with horrible draft/trade moves and I feel like trading DJax is a little to much like trying to draw an inside straight. I just think there’s no way they get fair value and also no way they replace his production this year even if they draft a WR early and he has a great rookie year.

  • Amar (India)

    Upvote if you think this is just Carolina trying to $crew with Chip/Howie/Eagles, since they don’t have a legit NFL wideout.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Seems like it was more the other way around. Sounds like Howie called Gettleman and said, dude you’ve got zero WRs that have caught an NFL pass, you’ve got no money to buy one and there really aren’t any left, so what do you think about DeSean?

  • peteike

    Gmen signed John Jerry, who started all 16 games at right guard each of the last two last seasons for the Miami Dolphins.

    • cliff henny

      this isn’t some power signing, Jerry stinks.

      • peteike

        ok, good to know, even better, just passing that one along

        • cliff henny

          yeah, i’m not an everyone who signs with ny, dall or wash stinks guy…but how JJ even plays a down in nfl is curious, bad

      • OldDocRoss

        I just assumed “started the last two seasons for the Miami Dolphins” was meant as a damning critique. Jerry is terrible.

        But now coached by Tom! There’s a joke in there somewhere…..

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Go ahead Doc, laugh it up…lol.

  • Eagles4Life

    This will bite the team in the ass. How idiotic can they be?

  • mike

    Chip Kelly sees DeSean EVERYDAY during the season, during practice and in the locker room. Maybe Kelly knows a LOT MORE than he say about DeSean’s character.

    • JofreyRice

      and maybe he’s used to pushing around college kids. We can all participate in conjecture, but nothing has come out about Jackson being such a horrible presence that he needs to go. This team added a bum safety and two special teamers, and is dangling one of the few stars on the team out there for a 3rd round pick. Chip’s won some of my confidence, but he also had some missteps in his first season. Some folks act like we’re just coming off a three-peat. He’s not beyond question, especially when it comes to personnel.

      • peteike

        true but on the flip side you need to see any moves through, conjecture indeed

      • Jerry Pomroy

        If they do in fact trade him, has Chip earned the right of getting the benefit of a doubt and seeing how this plays out? I mean DeSean, Coop, Foles & Shady all had career years under his 1st yr at the helm. 1st yr! AR had all of those guys (w/ Foles as exception) for years.

        • Adam G

          These guys don’t want to hear that. All they know is Desean is great, and worth the money, and there’s no reason to trade him.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m not saying that Chip is above scrutiny, or that I believe we should trade DJax. But if they do, I’m willing to see where it goes BEFORE I hold Chip’s feet to the fire.

          • Adam G

            They still don’t want to hear that. He’s earned my trust to see where this goes. Desean certainly has not.

        • JofreyRice

          Nah. Not for this, not for me, sorry. He’s bough some credibility, but Jackson is one of the best players on the team. To trade him away because you just don’t like his personality is asinine.

          It’s possible they can find someone to do some of the things he can do. But getting rid of Desean and replacing him with some 2nd or 3rd round rookie is undoubtedly a step backwards. Trading a known quantity for some unknown rookie because you think your system is plug and play is Reid-ish.

  • Nick C

    All the reports, whether valid, are troubling. A successful organization (that isn’t in cap trouble) does not just unload a Pro Bowl WR in his prime, coming off a career year for a 3rd round pick. I don’t care how “deep the draft” is. Desean does things for this offense when his hands aren’t even on the ball. Does he have an ego? Yes. But these are superstars in their low-to-mid twenties with a boatload of money. That is bound to happen every once in a while. Percy Harvin pales in comparison to Deseans production and he netted a 1,4,7 last year? This is absolutely ridiculous. And then all this is leaked by someone in the organization which just drove his price right down. Horribly managed by the Front Office. Absolutely pathetic.

    • mike

      Remember when Buddy Ryan got rid of future Hall of Famer Chris Carter. No one knew why then…but years later they found out Carter had big drug problem…just sayin”

      • Nick C

        I know there is obviously a reason. However, you don’t trade a player when their value is low. And you don’t trade his production for a 3rd rounder? Or even a 2nd from a good team (because that is awfully close to a third rounder). You look at market value, which was the Harvin deal last year, and if you don’t get it– you don’t trade him. He will still produce, because if he doesnt another team won’t pay him 12 MM a year like we are.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Gotta factor in Harvin was traded on his rookie contract (I believe) with condition that he got PAID, Desean comes with 30mil over 3 years or whatever it is. 3rd rounder is still pathetic, just have to mention that though.

          • OldDocRoss

            Coming as near as damnit to saying he dialled it in a couple years back is going to hurt his value as well.

            All the more reason to keep him IMO – if the value other teams will give you is less than what you get from the player why trade him – but the Harvin comparison doesn’t work as far as trade value goes.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Exactly ya hard to compare those two deals. Hope he stays, if he goes there better be a damn good reason for why, we need more information just doesn’t make sense

          • Maggie

            There is a good reason. FO planning for the future, not the past.

          • JofreyRice

            you know they agreed to pay Harvin 23 million over his first two years in a sign & trade extension with Seattle, right? Blows Jackson’s money away.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yep, but they had the freedom to negotiate that contract – along with whatever clauses and small print they wanted – and know both parties are happy with it.

            Anyone looking to trade for DeSean knows he isn’t thrilled with his contract (not unreasonably IMO) and will likely have to redo it. And the last time DeSean wanted a new contract and didn’t get his way he became “distracted”.

            I’m not arguing Harvin’s better than DeSean on the field but I can absolutely understand his value being lower. It’s not like the Eagles are being offered multiple 1sts and they’re saying “guys, too much! Just give us a 3rd”.

          • JofreyRice

            Uh, Ok, but Harvin was demanding a trade from Minny because he wanted a long term contract, and they didn’t want to give it to him. And then Seattle paid him. A lot.

            I’m not getting into this again, but I bet if you look at it a little more closely, you’ll see Seattle didn’t have some amazing leverage. They got him knowing they’d have to extend him. Any team that gets Desean gets him cheaper than what they paid for Harvin, even if they just take his contract as-is.

          • OldDocRoss

            And if they trade for him and force him to play to his current contract they risk getting Unhappy Desean. Whose value an production was not good.

            Out of curiosity, why do YOU think his value is apparently lower? Regardless of how the Eagles have handled this (I think badly), if there was any sort of feeding frenzy for his services there’s no chance in hell we’d be looking at a 3rd. His market value is, by all accounts, not what it should be. If you think that’s all on the Eagles, that’s………well, up to you I guess.

          • Jernst

            Harvin signed a deal equivalent to what Desean will see over the next few yrs so it’s not really relevant. The hawks actually gave him a signing bonus/guaranteed money. The team getting Desean would have him on a series of one yr prove ur worth deals.

        • Maggie

          Yes. “You look at market value” and “you don’t trade a player when his value is low”. Yes.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Whose to say he would produce though? He did tank it before when he was unhappy and didn’t have any guaranteed money protecting him. Not saying he will, not saying he won’t. But the odds are in favor of the former based on facts.

      • JofreyRice

        agreed it’s possible, but a bit of a longshot, considering how a sports celebrity is so much more in the public eye now, than in the 80′s. I think we’d see some indication if he had a drug or drinking problem, like if he was cruising around town high like the scumbag Colts owner.

        And think of how many times Irsay had probably been let off with a warning. You think Desean would get “warnings”, if he was caught like that? I doubt it.

        • mike

          Maybe having $300,000 in cash stolen from his home…with no forced entry is an indication of something….who knows?

          • NYEAGLESFAN

            Maybe he faked a break in?… but wouldn’t that leaked

          • cliff henny

            maybe it’s as simple as he doesn’t lock his doors. taking it out to he’s on a coke binge blowing all his cash is bit much

          • Mike

            Sorry, but I never accused him of anything, just trying to figure out why Eagles want to dump Jackson so badly…..like everyone else is trying to do.

          • JofreyRice

            I can’t figure it out either, but I think you’re jumping to some pretty drastic conclusions.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            At least it’d be fun!

          • Maggie

            Locked doors or not, who keeps a quarter million in cash floating around the house? Maybe it’s more about tax evasion on some “record” deal? Just a thought.

          • OldDocRoss

            I think the rumour that many have been hinting at but none have been willing to write (because libel) is that there may have been no robbery at all and it was just an insurance job. Because broke.

            Total conjecture obviously, but such is the nature of rumours.

          • RIP illa

            LOl. Stop it. Desean’s part of the hip hop generation for better or worse. It’s not outta the norm to walk around with 100Gs in your pocket, so who’s to know how much is at the crib. And their are plenty of multi-millionaires that keep obscene amounts of money locked up in their cribs, instead of in a bank or offshore accounts. I love how people are acting like this is a totally foreign concept.

        • Adam G

          Do you not see his instagram pics? Does he not own a record label where they don’t put out actual records? Do you not know about Lil Snupe? It certainly isn’t a longshot. Something is up. Oh and the gang signs. I would guess Chip doesn’t like gang signs.

          • JofreyRice

            No, I don’t follow his instagram. I don’t follow any Eagles on twitter. I have no idea what some of these guys look like without a helmet. That TMZ aspect of the game doesn’t interest me much. Is it all that different from anyone else? Kaepernick mugging and pointing to his biceps? I think trying to draw too many conclusions off that stuff is a waste of time.

            And quite frankly, I think that line of thinking starts to get into racial dogwhistle territory. I don’t think these things are viewed the same way with a kid like Desean as they are with someone like Riley Cooper–who actually did something betraying weak character, and all was forgiven and forgotten.

          • Adam G

            Pretty funny. First off I’m black. Second don’t opine if you haven’t actually seen the pics. If you add up everything then you can see why the Eagles want to trade him. Again, the people that run the team, more specifically Chip Kelly probably know a lot more than you, correct? So maybe your opinion doesn’t matter and is just flat out wrong.

          • JofreyRice

            So you’re OK to opine that his robbery was possibly some kind of botched drug deal because you’ve seen his pictures? Bullshit. Tell me detective, what else do you want to accuse him of, based on browsing through his instagram pics?

            Of course my opinion doesn’t matter. Neither does yours. You’re coming at this from the perspective that Chip & Howie are always going to make the right move. I’m not. In point of fact, they made plenty of questionable personnel moves in Chip’s first season. Marc Trestman may not have gotten the ink Kelly did, but his offense was extremely successful as a rookie head coach. He’s not throwing away Alshon Jeffery, Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall because he’s got the perfect system, though.

          • Adam G

            Completely inconsequential that Trestman is not throwing them away because they don’t have the history of Djax. I never said anything about his robbery, that was someone else. My point is the info is assymetric. They know so much more than any of us. And what personnel moves were questionable that Chip Kelly made that were based on character? He whines about his contract ALWAYS. He tanked two years ago. He sulks on the sideline. He got in a fight with the WR coach on the sideline. Add it all up.

          • JofreyRice

            Jesus, what kind of history? He bagged it for parts of a season 2 years ago, for a different coach. Guess what, he still posted #’s pretty close to magical Percy Harvin’s career best. And you want to flip him for a 3?

            You have no idea what it’s based on, you’re just assuming it’s about his character because you don’t like the guy. Maybe it’s just purely about money. Maybe it’s arrogance on Kelly’s part. Neither of us have any real idea, but only one of us is sure we know what it’s all about.

          • Adam G

            Ok guy. He only cares about one thing, and that’s his money. He’s whined about his contract with the Eagles more often then not. Literally. He had the nerve to talk about his contract while cleaning out his locker less than 2 YEARS after he signed a new one. He was running out of money before signing that contract, in fact he was in the whole. Totally think Chip Kelly is the type of guy to trade a player for NO REASON like you think. He’s not logical/rational at all.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Yo, who are you?

          • Adam G

            Who are you?

          • ryyndynyyls

            An Eagles fan…

          • Adam G

            Me too…

          • ryyndynyyls

            ..who really obviously despises our 2nd best player for highly theoretical character reasons? You do realize that a few of his own teammates have come out and said the character thing is a myth, right? And that every beat writer and journalist worth their salt in PHL is now saying this would be a major disaster, despite the fact that a major part of their jobs is to unbiased and level-headed? And that after trying to scramble to keep the info they spelled out for us even-keeled and factual they’ve basically all broken down and admitted, on a personal level, that this would be a bad move for the city, a bad move for the fans, and a bad move for the organization. You do realize that the thing you’re arguing is completely, totally strange, right?

          • Adam G

            I certainly don’t despise him. But at some point you have to trust that Chip knows more than us and the writers. So I will side with them. And could you please point to one writer that said it would be a major disaster? Thanks.

          • JofreyRice

            So basically, whatever Chip does is correct, because he’s Chip. Good that you put it out there so bluntly.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, until he proves otherwise. Think you are in the minority if you don’t think that.

          • oreofestar

            No he is not, we can not just say Chip is right he has to be right he’s Chip

          • JofreyRice

            If I knew I was dealing with a front office idolater, I probably would have saved some typing. Reid won a ton of games in Philly, and made some pretty asinine decisions over the years. No one is perfect, and all these guys are either constantly learning or looking for work. I like a lot of what Chip did, and I am hopeful for the future, but he’s not infallible based on a playoff appearance.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Sheil, Tim, Sal Pal on the Fanatic not an hour ago, everyone on Bleeding Green… National writers are now doing the same. Are you reading the articles or just skipping straight to the comments section to wag your dong around about what an a@3hole Jackson is for BEING ROBBED?!?!?

          • Adam G

            Not one person said major disaster. Please quote exactly where Sheil and Tim said that.

          • JofreyRice

            What is he supposed to care about, to please you? He answered a question regarding his contract, and that was it. The guy has done a ton of charity work, helping kids with bullying, etc.. You have to pay for a seat for your high-horse when you go to see home games?

            Chip Kelly’s got a hell of an ego of his own. You don’t go from New Hampshire OC to Head Coach of an NFL franchise without having some big balls and believing in yourself. His ego has served him well, for the most part, but that doesn’t mean it’s always going to go that way.

          • Adam G

            Ok. Name another football player that tanked a season for money. You can’t. Oh that’s right, he’s supposed to care about winning.

          • JofreyRice

            I think you’re overstating tanking an entire season. Guy had 960 yards and 6 TDs in 15 games. And he never did that on Chip Kelly’s watch. So what, Chip Kelly went back and was so offended by what he saw on the 2011 film of Andy Reid’s offense, he decided he couldn’t stand the guy? Is this about Chip’s dislike of him, or yours?

          • Adam G

            I think you have a selective memory. He was problem from the beginning when he held out. Was benched, gave up on plays, etc. The words actually came out of his mouth he was “distracted” by his contract. Please name another high end player that did this.

          • JofreyRice

            He said he was distracted. Interested parties have twisted and overstated that to the point where now he quit on the entire season.

            Here’s a list of the NFL’s biggest Malcontents:

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228939-percy-harvin-and-the-nfls-biggest-malcontents

            I’ve seen Todd Pinkston pull up on balls. I’ve seen Reggie Brown do it. I’ve seen Jeremy Maclin do it. I’ve had my beef with him, and I disliked the fact that his play was definitely affected in 2011, but to say he tanked the entire season is overstating your case by a lot.

          • Adam G

            Oh right, he was benched for nothing. How do you not remember how much of a headache he was that year?

          • JofreyRice

            I never denied he was benched, or that he was a headache, at times. I was annoyed by it, surely. You do see the difference between that and “tanking an entire season”, right?

            What has he done since then, specifically for Chip Kelly, though? The fact that we’ve got 2 seasons worth of games where he was totally tuned in make it seem like he’s grown and matured since. You’re so worked up trying to vilify Jackson at this point, you may have forgotten that it’s the Eagles that started this whole thing.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah Desean is such a headache and distraction why put up with him just because he is a pro bowl wr it would make way more sense to give an extension to a guy like Riley Cooper who is never a distraction and has never had any off the field issues, why don’t we just release Desean?

          • RIP illa

            LMAO…the complaining about his contract myth…again!!! No matter how many times that’s disproven you bitches keep spewing this nonsense. “…the nerve…”LMFAO. Ok we get it…you’re a DJax hater. That’s all you needed to say.

          • Honest_T

            BTW does anyone know what source the 3rd round pick came from? My assumption was that this was to create a market so they could play teams off of one another, but I don’t know where it came from.

          • JofreyRice

            Derrick Gunn’s league source.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Also worth mentioning while watching people tout the Harvin deal as some sort of boilerplate measure of DJax’s worth in a trade is the heap of good those two supplementary draft picks did MN last year, and will conceivably do them in the future. Failed by a long shot to replace Harvin’s potential/upside with Cordarelle Patterson, and got Travis Bond (?) in the 7th. Unless the 3rd rounder they still have remaining in this year’s draft is an absolute HOMERUN (which statistically-speaking is highly highly unlikely), then the trade simply went toward solidifying a Super Bowl roster and keeping a flagging team stuck in a constant process of rebuilding. Granted that trade was different, since Harvin was basically demanding out. Desean is not demanding out of PHL, and his production is significantly better than Harvin’s (to date), as is his injury history. Trades are generally considered desperation. Squeezing the last value from a player who is either on the decline, doesn’t fit the scheme, or presents a significant return in available cap if cut. The idea that we could even solidly guarantee a return of equal or greater value if this were COOPER FOR A 1ST ROUNDER is statistically flawed. In the case of the draft, a bird in the hand is worth easily three in the bush. If we’re trawling him out as bait hoping for a supplemental pick that would be used to select a receiver who could eventually replace DJax then NOT ONLY are we using the wrong bait (Curry, Graham, Brown together in some iteration could maybe get us a pick worth having) but we are doing it at the absolute wrong time. I can just see it now,… “with the 3rd round pick from the Jets for Desean Jackson the Eagles have taken Brandon Coleman, which fits squarely inside of Chip Kelly’s ‘Big People’ philosophy. Coleman takes years to develop, never makes a Pro Bowl, the Eagles can’t afford Maclin on top of all the other resignings next year and suddenly in ’15 have Riley Cooper and Brandon Coleman for a receiving core and are desperately drafting to regain ground.” How do you spell disasterrrr?

          • JofreyRice

            I actually think they did pretty well in getting Patterson. Across the board–getting a first, getting Patterson, etc, it looked like close to a win/win for me for SEA and MIN. Patterson came in and put up about 500 yards, led the league in KR’s and took two back for TDs.

            However, it was a much different situation. They HAD to trade Harvin. He forced their hand, and they did a nice job in replacing him when he made it necessary. Desean doesn’t have to go anywhere. Coleman’s a nice big athlete, but dude can’t play wide receiver like Desean Jackson. Nowhere even in the same zip code.

          • ryyndynyyls

            Exactly. And – not that I’m by any means a scout – he’s the best I see that might land in the 3rd round. Mound that on top of the 6mil we’d have to eat, and I just don’t see anywhere near, anywhere even remotely CLOSE, to a return on our investment in Jackson. I feel like the only conclusion right now is that there is a MAJOR piece of this puzzle that hasn’t been revealed yet. As in, the biggest part of the whole puzzle. Whether it’s that this is all a really dismally failed negotiation tactic by DJax and/or his agent, or that it truly is Chip just allowing this to snowball to re-state his disinterest in interacting with NFL media while busy doing his actual job, or some other combination of a million things, at this point I just don’t know. The only thing I do know at this point is that if this is purely a matter of Chip not liking Desean or his work-ethic then he’d better start getting ready for the batteries to rain down… An awfully bold culture move to make less than a full calendar year into a new career in a city full of passionate, informed fans who still lack a Lombardi…

          • Maggie

            Just maybe the Eagles are a business looking to the future, not the past.

          • Burberry Manning

            Brandon marshall and jay cutler make djax a choir boy in comparison. we talk about his poor stats when the offensive line and qb situation was in flux, oh he wants to be paid so what that makes you a bad apple…the kid was a pro bowler playing for nfl peanuts his first 2 years…

          • RIP illa

            Then you should know that throwing up “gang signs” is actually throwing up your set!!! Which yes is derived from the neighborhood gang, but does not mean that you direct or criminal dealings. Then you also should know that the high your celebrity the more you are supported by the neighborhood and affiliated gang without actually being a legit member, but that you’re more an honorary member. Of course there are many facets and varying scenarios, and not all of them mean drugs, death, or crime. And since he just started his record label after getting paid in 2012 and does spend 1/2 a year on football, that it’s alright that he hasn’t put out a record yet.

            So after saying all that, yeah something could be up. Yet until that’s proven and/or revealed then you’re just spitting some more Bull Shit!

          • Adam G

            You kinda sorta proved my point.

          • RIP illa

            Yes…I kinda proved your point about how not everything is black and white when it comes to that, and how throwing up your set could go either way, meaning you could be reppin a gang or just your neighborhood. And how owning a record label doesn’t automatically make you a criminal. And also how a bunch of our cultural influences don’t always come from a quote, unquote pure place.

          • therealpistolp
      • Jernst

        Cris Carter was also no where near a pro bowler let alone a HOFer at that time. No one knew he’d be what he became. DeSean has proven production.

        • Richard Colton

          Yeah. They did. Buddy didn’t make a mistake, he traded Carter out of mercy, and saved the kid’s life.

          • Jernst

            We knew he had talent, but no one, not even Cris Carter knew he’d be a HOFer. You’re right Buddy didn’t make a mistake , he knew he had to do something drastic because Cris had a problem, and to this day Carter thanks Buddy for waking him up to get his life on track. Without that wake up call Carter knows he’d never become the player or man he did. DeSean is a proven pro bowl player, this will not be a wake up call at all and the situations are different because if that.

    • Maggie

      He is NOT being “unloaded!” He is being treated as a depreciating asset and hopefully, to the FO, being used to better the team. It’s what a well run business does. Appreciate the past, but plan for the future!

      • JofreyRice

        depreciating? The guy’s just becoming the player we were all hoping for. He just turned 27 a few months ago, and posted the best season of his career. The convo should be about what kind of records the Eagles can break on offense not year, not figuring out ways to smear and apologize when they get rid of their best players. This argument is even more asinine than the idea that he’s some locker room cancer. Good god.

        • Adam G

          By definition he is depreciating. A WR who only relies on speed who is 27, he ain’t getting any faster.

          • JofreyRice

            so why don’t we get rid of McCoy? He’s depreciating too. And Foles. Also, whatever draft pick we get is immediately depreciating.

          • Adam G

            Please look up depreciating vs appreciating in the dictionary before you make comments like that. And yes, people do know that Shady doesn’t have that many years left, but he’s only 25. Oh yeah, and Shady was an All Pro this year.

          • Andy124

            I’d say Foles is still appreciating. But I think it’s safe to assume that the Eagles are letting these rumors fester so that no one will notice that they’re trading Shady for Dion Lewis after they move to Eugene.

  • anon

    This is crazy $10mm with $6mm dead and reports that we’re only getting a 3rd? At this point i’d just be like “we aren’t trading” even if we were shopping.

  • Andy124

    It’s all a smokescreen to hide the fact they’re about to sell the team to Nike and move to Eugene.

    • Maggie

      Good. 2 teams in the Pacific Northwest to cheer for, and more important, see more of their games. :-D
      Nike could afford it, too.

  • Kelvin Benjamin

    I always wanted to be drafted by the Eagles

  • Andy124

    Just spoke with two sources close to DeSean. Receiver now believes he will not be back.— Tim McManus (@Tim_McManus) March 21, 2014

    • G_WallyHunter

      fantastic news

      • mike

        @Tim McManus….Is it possible this is strictly a character issues, and not a football issue?…..If so what could the character issue be that make Eagles want to get rid of DeSean?

    • cliff henny

      if tim can get close enough to Jax to get 2 sources…why doesn’t he just ask Jax?

      • Andy124

        You’re on twitter now. Ask him. :)

        • cliff henny

          I did, who Tim? jax didn’t answer…busy manufacturing breakins to fuel his drug habit. learned that on here today. good stuff

          • Andy124

            What’s your handle again?

          • cliff henny

            clif henny

          • Andy124

            There you are. Couldn’t find you with two f’s.

      • OldDocRoss

        He wouldn’t get an answer. If DeSean comes out and says “I AM ANGRYFACE” then it probably isn’t going to help him next time he wants to negotiate a contract, regardless of what team that’s with. Better to stay silent yourself and let ‘sources’ do your talking. Plausible deniability and that.

    • NYeaglesFan

      mcmanus is on the fanatic right now talking about it

    • josephr2225

      Okay Chip, Howie, he’s got the message. He’s scared straight. Time to tell him this whole “trade” thing was to teach him a lesson and that it was for his own good, 90s sitcom style.

      • Ark87

        then extend him to 2018 out of nowhere? Wouldn’t it be funny if all this was just to demonstrate DJax’s market worth for negotiations.

    • Mike

      @Tim McManus….Is it possible this is strictly a character issues, and not a football issue?…..If so what could the character issue be that make Eagles want to get rid of DeSean?…what are your sources sayin about this?

      • Maggie

        They Eagles management is NOT getting rid of DJax. They are looking at improving the TEAM as they should. DeSean is at his maximum possible value to OTHER teams now. The Eagles will not “get rid off him” for some 3rd round pic. Next year that would be his value, probably. This year they should get 2 picks, which they need, to improve the TEAM. Business, folks. They don’t CARE how many yards or catches or sulking or whatever, in the past. The FO is looking at now and 2 or 3 or 4 years in the future. As they should. As they should.

        • anon

          I think everyone would be fine trading if we got a first or 2nd +, but since they aren’t it seems extra shady that they’re being so quite about it especially since it’s a marquee player.

          • Maggie

            I don’t see too many other teams yapping about their plans until they actually make the trade or signing either.

      • oreofestar

        IDK whatever it is it can not be saying the N word publicly because then they would have given him an extension

  • cliff henny

    anyone see Chapman head, with about 100 staples?

    • peteike

      ya yikes, prob means they peeled his face off to put that plate in. Ugh, horrifying surgery, just the thought of that disturbs me even though is prob fairly common

      • cliff henny

        yeah, laid his chin over his chest

  • Kd711

    High school days !! Recruiting heavy was Coach Carroll !! Came 2 Lb Recruit one of the best coming… http://t.co/813sgaNmLq— Desean Jackson (@DeseanJackson10) March 21, 2014

    • anon

      It’s funny lots of vets are like understand that it’s just part of the game, etc. but Djax seems to be taking this stuff to heart.

      • RIP illa

        Cuz he’s been F’d over twice by our FO and the way the media is going at him and trying to spin it like he’s the worst bad guy ever!!!

  • Engwrite

    I hate to think they’ll trade their best game breaker, the fastest guy in the NFL but, they haven’t stopped the rumors. Even if they don’t trade him they are poisoning the relationship. Why?
    I ASSUME they don’t expect to win the SB in 2014. Their moves–pending the draft– have strengthened the offense some (Sproles + Maclin v. Avant), and the Defense a bit (Jenkins v. Chung) + some depth at Safety and corner, and STs (but no returners other than Sproles who will be like DeSean, a sometime option) but altogether they haven’t improved enough to make them a SB contender. They could’ve, but they didn’t.
    The FO may be planning to go out for the SB in 2015 but by then they’ll have given big raises to Foles, Cox, Boykin, Kendriks, etc.
    So I ASSUME they have decided there will be no room for DeSean’s salary and so they want to get something for him now.
    Of course, without DeSean, the offense will be worse than last year, particularly when you consider that Foles and Shady had unbelievable years not likely to be matched, and as good as DeSean numbers were, they could still be better. And without DeSean this wonderful set of receivers will have shrunk to only Cooper, at the end of 2014, pending the draft.
    So I ASSUME they are planning on taking a wideout on the 1st round and that would be too many wideouts and it would be obvious they want to get rid of DeSean and would get nothing for him.
    That’s my rationalization of the situation. Still, I think trading DeSean is a bad move which they have handled badly.

  • anon

    Djax is obviously getting shopped hard at the owners meeting next week I think if he doesnt get moved there it’ll be not at all. Just when you start buying into the FO they do something like this. Everyone who signs a deal with the eagles knows (a) probably not getting paid and (b) they’ll just drag you out on trade rumors.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      I agree that they are not handling this well at all. That said, your final points are completely incorrect. Everything they have done up to this point says they stick to their word and have had good communication with the other players. I look at this as a one-off misstep, and possibly for a good reason that we aren’t privy to.

      • anon

        That’s what makes it so bad, you say one thing and do another — especially for a guy new in his tenure. FAs know we aren’t paying big money anymore.

        • EaglesFanInPhx

          overthecap.com says differently. It says our 2015 payroll is $11 mil higher than ANY other team. Could have something to do with this desean crap too.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, this is known on these boards. They probably have 30 mil to cut, but that certainly doesn’t help.

          • Jernst

            Payroll and cap space are not the same thing. We have tons of cap space this yr that will roll forward. We are not ridding ourselves of desean for cap reasons.

          • Adam G

            Could be. If they know they will have to do something after this season bc of their cap situation, then why not do it now when his value is highest. He has the highest cap figure, it makes perfect sense.

          • Jernst

            If his value is the highest now then it does make sense. If he only nets a 3rd then there’s no reason to weaken ourselves for next year prematurely.

          • UKEagle99

            We’ll roll $12m over, cap space is not an issue for us, look up Dallas and the Saints…

    • Maggie

      The players know it’s business, The overly emotional people posting here forget sometimes.

  • Warhound

    Assuming they get a pick that becomes a replacement WR, plus a later pick could this be justifiable by what they do with the cap savings? Is their a defensive playmaker set to be a FA next year that they might target? Gotta say this scenario seems iffy at best. Sigh…..

    • anon

      Yeah that’s a good point, i’m fine with replacing Djax for a great WR and saving the $$ but to do what with it — FA is over basically. They have plenty of cap space what’s another $8m this year if you can’t use it.

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        next year they have the highest salary in the nfl by far. Granted much of that will be probably cut/restructured (Cole, Graham, Ryans, Williams, Celek come to mind), but they will also have some new big contracts to work out too.

        • anon

          Who is getting paid next year? Foles may get big money, you giving kendricks or cox a big money deal? We’re going to trade our more valuable guy so you can overpay your mediocre guys? Seems silly. But maybe.

          • Adam G

            When you extend guys on their rookie deals, you don’t tear up their 4th year. They keep that. You just extend. Look at Kelce’s extension.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            Value is in the eye of the beholder. Chip seems to value teamwork and attitude and brains as much or more than talent. Not that I think he’d take someone completely untalented that is smart with a great attitude and team player, but those factors are crucial in what I’ve seen of his player evaluations across the board. Desean has none of those except talent, so his value to Chip is far lower than his current price tag in my estimation which is probably why he is looking to move him. The lower our number this year the more we can carry over next year to work out the extensions. And you definitely need to add Boykin to that list. I think Kendricks and Cox get decent raises, but not bank breakers.

          • anon

            How much do you pay a guy that plays 50% of snaps if he doesn’t move to the outside i think he leaves in FA (if he wants to get paid). Similarly if I’m Cox i look elsewhere, he’d make more money in a 4-3, i think we’d be overpaying him for what a 2-gap 3-4 lineman is asked to do.

  • Eagledan

    In other news, Vick to the jets. Jackson may be im play there.

    • Richard Colton

      Anything less than their #1 isn’t fair value. If this is true (emphasis on “if”) I can’t believe how badly the FO messed this up. Amateur hour.

      • UKEagle99

        There has to be an over arching reason that we cannot see, otherwise this is just insane. #7 & #10 have a connection, if it does happen then the Jets need to cough up. No guarantee you replace him with a 1st rounder but they could balance the team and shore up the D, CK will get the O rolling, one way or another… but with #10 it’s all a bit easier imo

        • Andy124

          Definitely think this is being driven by factors we have no visibility of.

  • jmkrav

    The thing with CAR is… Maybe a player comes back with the pick. Who do they have that could fit? A solid backup OG, or LB? That’s how the salary could work…

    • oreofestar

      Yo give me Luke

    • Andy124

      Good thought. Glancing at their roster, I don’t see any linebackers that make sense. The only one that makes any sense in terms of age and measurables is Ben Jacobs, but he’s barely a poor man’s Braman as far as I can tell.

      No idea sbout their guards.

    • Andy124

      In the same vein, and I’m not the one to think of this, maybe we can get Stephen Hill back from the Jets. Kid was a combine wonder who’s done nothing in the NFL. But considering the team he played for, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to harbor hope that he could thrive here.

  • UKEagle99

    I hear people saying if we are trading #10 then we need to do it now as his is value highest. How is it? He’s got 3 years at around $12m with few guarantees, if he continues to improve under CK then his value goes up.

    If people are talking about us needing to offload a bad contract then shame on Howie. Every man and his dog was lauding how ‘cheap’ we got Desean and now we can’t afford him? Ship his ass and the contract out, really?

    The only reason the Eagles should be shopping Desean is if he doesn’t fit the scheme and the way they want to play, period. Any other reason should be managed.

  • Maggie

    Sanchez released, Vick signed.

    • UKEagle99

      Vick should beat out Geno, but Geno will need to play. Geno will not do a Foles on Vick…

      • Maggie

        I actually felt some sympathy for Geno last year. During last years draft there were “experts” who thought he had value, but might not be quite ready to be a starter. Thought the Jets threw him to the wolves.

        • Maggie

          And by wolves, I mean Marty and his always “we thought we saw something downfield”.

          • UKEagle99

            Marty only wants Vick to balance his Run/Pass ratio. Marty will call 100% passes, Vick will run 50% of the time.

          • Andy124

            I would up-vote the many times if I could.

        • UKEagle99

          Geno is not the first and won’t be the last, unfortunately they can’t all be eased in like Aaron Rogers. Barkley was thrown to the wolves for us last year. I’m interested to see him ‘coached up’ If the same situation arises next season and Barkley does the same, that’s as much on the coaches as him.

      • anon

        Probably perfect situation for Jets, Vick can play and mentor.

        • UKEagle99

          Vick CAN play. They are a better team with him for sure, he just can’t play 16 games.

  • oreofestar

    This sucks, just horrrible

    • OldDocRoss

      Don’t worry, we’ll find another backup QB.

  • oreofestar

    Man…I am depressed, if these reports are to be believed we are about to let our best WR in a decade go for nothing