Twitter Mailbag: QBs, DeSean And Picks

Eagles QB Mike Vick in red practice jersey
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From @MKevinBonner: Are the Eagles planning to sign a vet backup QB or will they roll with Barkley? ?

 Michael Vick is scheduled to visit with the Jets Friday. Seems like a very logical landing spot to me. If he’s off the market, the top five available quarterbacks (per Rotoworld) are Josh Freeman, Shaun Hill, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kevin Kolb (who is expected to retire) and Colt McCoy. I don’t see anyone who would be an obvious choice over Barkley, who the Eagles seem to have some confidence in. They’ll see how the draft plays out and pick a QB if it makes sense. If not, they’ll have to go with a vet to compete with Barkley for the No. 2 spot behind Nick Foles. I’d put Barkley as the front-runner for now, though.




From @AntMarella: please Tim, give us some clarity on the DeSean situation. What do you KNOW?!

(Sorry to those of you that are DeSean'd out. But the majority of the questions were about this topic, so I'm going to try and provide clarity the best I can.)

From my reporting on this I learned that Jackson had caught wind of the write-ups suggesting that he was on his way out of Philadelphia, and was upset by them. He wants to be here, didn't think he was portrayed accurately in some of the pieces, and it brought up some concern regarding his standing with the team. That concern is being fueled by the fact that the Eagles have not offered any assurances. From what I understand, the team hadn't been in direct contact with the receiver as of Tuesday.

I think it's right to say that the media is partially responsible for the firestorm. It was speculation that prompted Jackson's initial worries, rumors beget rumors, and the conflicting information being put out in recent days makes it feel like this thing is bouncing in a hundred directions. That's different than saying this is a media fabrication, however.

Two questions to consider: 1) What is at the root of the speculation? and 2) Why have the Eagles sat idly by and watched this story mushroom?

My best explanation for first part is to say that there is a persistent buzz suggesting something is up. Whether it be from agents, people with connections to the team or other media members, there has been enough chatter to raise antennas. Yet, at least personally speaking, nothing concrete enough to declare that anything is imminent. Derrick Gunn's recent report pushed the notion that the Eagles are considering moving on from Jackson a step further.

The second part is the most curious of all. I have heard the theory that the Eagles are trying to send a message to Jackson by allowing the rumor to live and grow, but I don't buy it. Jackson was as engaged as he's ever been last season; had the best year he's ever had. Why are they intentionally tweaking him again? Because he suggested that he wouldn't mind some more security in his contract at an inopportune time? Because he got into a verbal spat with his receivers coach? I don't see it.

It's possible that Chip Kelly simply doesn't feel the need to respond, which would be a miscalculation.

The more likely scenario is that the Eagles haven't issued a flat denial or contacted the wideout because they are at least exploring the idea of moving on from Jackson. The longer they remain silent on this front, the more weight that theory seems to hold. There is a good chance that Jackson sees it that way as well.

That's what I know. The picture isn't fully formed, but there is enough there that we can't just dismiss it out of hand. I hope to have more answers soon.

From @PhillyFreck215: this draft is very deep do you see the birds trading for more picks?

This is another part of the broader picture that doesn't fully add up. This is a loaded draft by most accounts and the Eagles currently only have six picks. Howie Roseman would undoubtedly feel more comfortable going in with more. But where to get them?

Brandon Graham only has a year left on his deal so I think it will be tough to convince a team to part ways with a draft pick for him. Not sure you can get anything of great value for Bryce Brown. I believe Vinny Curry is staying put. I suppose trading Jackson is one way to do it, though that seems extreme to me. The other would be to trade back in a round or two to add to the stockpile.

One way or another I think they end up with more than six when all is said and done.

 

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  • EaglesFanInPhx

    At least there is an article stating what is fact vs conjecture in regards to Desean. Thanks Tim.

  • Kevin

    On D-Jax…. I think we will have some clarity soon. Chip has to talk next week at the owners meeting, and given his love for the media, my guess is he will have talked to DeSean before then. Who knows, DeSean may blow up Instagram with a pick of him and the Chipper :)

    One thought that sort of ties number 2 and 3 together from above is that if the eagles are looking for draft picks and given this draft is deep in WRs, it makes more sense to move a DE or RB, may have a little more value for those positions.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      what would our 1st round pick and bryce brown get?

      • jcwhy

        the 21st pick. and a 7th?

        • ochospantalones

          Haha. Probably it wouldn’t even get you the 21st pick, as the Packers don’t really need a running back.

        • cliff henny

          i’d do that, cause think he’s only worth a 7th. nfl treats RB worse than hot garabe

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          woh.. we would sjip up a spot to 21 from 22? AND a 7th?? Meh…im thinking our 2nd and bryce could move us into the top of the 2nd

      • Andy124

        An OLB and a running play bounced to the outside.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          drum hit*

  • GEAGLE

    Tim delivered it like a pro! Nice work

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    I think chip just doesnt feel he has to respond to a media firestorm created by the media firestorm thats using the fact that there is a media firestorm so you should calm the media firestorm created by the media firestorm to use as an excuse to get chip to talk about the media firestorm that the media firestorm has created in their own minds…

    That is literally what it going on… lol..

    Meanwhile desean is working out in cali and helping kids fight bullies.

    • Andy124

      Hangin with Freddie Roach.

    • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

      Media firestorm

      • Andy124

        Headline:

        Source confirms “DeSean is working out in Cali and helping kids fight”
        It’s this kind of thugishness that has the Eagles desperate to trade this pint-sized diva for some pocket lint and a paper clip. As no trade has taken place, it’s safe to conclude that no team in the league is willing to part with a paper clip in exchange for this locker room cancer.

        • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

          Upon the trade it is then announced that Howie Roseman’s stress ball has been retired to the Eagles HOF.

    • cliff henny

      the Nightman has turned into the Dayman, and perfectly explained this!

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Thank you!!

  • GEAGLE

    Eagles will draft Nakita Whitlock from WF…put THAT….under your mattress! Lol

    • Neanderthal

      would make for a bumpy mattress

  • GEAGLE

    Starting to look like ODB falling to 22 may be a pipe dream. I suspect oud opinions will be to settle for KB toys store or Lee :(

    • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

      Not at all mad about some KB. TD Machine.

      • Reg Pennypack

        No no no. Need defense. C’mon Geagz.

        • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

          What’s defense?

          • Reg Pennypack

            A PLAYMAKER. WE ONLY HAVE 1 AND HE IS ONLY A NICKEL CORNER.

          • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

            Kendricks made some plays down the stretch.

          • cliff henny

            not sure. who cares…score 55!

          • OldDocRoss

            You can only get to silly odd numbers like 55 if you use one of those kicker things which would be completely unnecessary if we just had seven or eight starting calibre WRs.

            Think, damnit!

          • cliff henny

            figure Henery’s leg will get tired from all the booming kickoffs to the 8 and running out for XPs, he’ll end up kicking 1 short a game. or, just too lazy to move my finger over to right 1 space

          • OldDocRoss

            No XPs is my point! Kicking is 4 girlz. 2 point conversions all the way to make full use of our array weapons.

            Just cut Henery altogether to free up a roster spot for a WR (or maybe a WR/TE hybrid) and have, let’s say……Mathis take kickoffs.

            Might mean sacrificing a couple of yards of field position but it’d totally be worth it.

          • cliff henny

            oh, I agree…if we’re going there, let’s get rid of punter and long snapper…add, MORE WEAPONS!

          • dnabrice

            Don’t want Mathis pulling a hammy. Have Momah do it.

          • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

            I can settle for 38 against the NFCW.

        • GEAGLE

          No defender I want at 22

    • cliff henny

      think he’s our flavor of the month. not sure he fits every system out there either. putting him outside the numbers and forgetting about him might not work. he’s not often put ahead of Lee, and that would require 4 wrs going b4 21. like that Adams kid too. it’s not ODB or bust, plenty of these guys will be beasts with Kelly.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t disagree. I’m talking about at 22 . ..think both cooks and odb come off the board before 20

        • cliff henny

          great, then someone else has fallen, cause that’s 5 in top 21, and has not seem many drafts with more than 3. maybe qb drops, and get crapload of picks from a Cleveland or Minne that moves back into 1st. I really like ODB and Cooks, but there plenty of other WRs that if a Barr gets shoved to #22, offense will still be lethal

          • GEAGLE

            Jeremiah has teddy falling to 27 lol

          • GEAGLE

            Just give me Moncreif and I’ll be happy

          • cliff henny

            take him in 3rd and Landry or Huff in 4th. heck, there’s 7th rd wrs I really like.

          • GEAGLE

            Nah I need my 4th lol…that’s su package cover lb round…kid from Iowa… U can have the 5th

          • cliff henny

            shit man, Kelly might go all offense 1-5, and figure out rest of defense with UDFA

    • JofreyRice

      Chip might have already decided on Lee. He put up some sick #’s against the Ducks.

      • cliff henny

        really dislike USC. guess might have to get used to it. if Kelly’s going searching for talent he saw first hand, no one gets more 5-star recruits out west

      • GEAGLE

        If rather draft Moncreif in round 1…after ODB, Moncreif is the second best prospect in the draft in my humble opinion…I know that sounds crazy

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          hahaha, c’mon geags, nothing about your opinion is ever humble.

          IMO, I’m amazed this whole conversation has left out Matthews and Adams. I love both those guys. About 10 WRs I’d be happy with. But really praying for the Dirt McGirt in rd1.

        • cliff4d

          i’m suprised you’re wanting a wr… you’re the guy that told us about olb kahlil mack- he’s the guy that could make the biggest difference to our team…obviously we would need to trade up to get him, but wow what an impact he would have on this entire team… probably make the offense better too

          • JofreyRice

            I actually know someone that went up against Mack one v one. My “sources”. Said Mack was basically just pure rope-muscle, was really tough to block because of his leverage–being so much shorter, but this kid did an OK job–at least he thought so (0 TFL, 2 TFLs in the game they matched up in). I think Mack’s gonna be a good pro, solid, competent, longtime starter. I think Barr–stock “falling” as it is–has a chance to be special. Barr needs more coaching/development. I feel like Mack is what he’s gonna be.

          • cliff4d

            so if mack “is what he’s gonna be” it sounds like you see him as a day one starter, and it sounds like you see him as a long term player, but do you view him as a disruptive force at olb? could he allow us to cut trent cole and actually get sacks over pressures? i think a guy like that could make our safties look a whole better

    • Tom w

      Depends where cooks goes … And what jets do. And what type of wr teams want. Benjamin and lee could slide ahead as well if a team covers a tall wr or likes lee tape from first two yrs when he had a qb and oline

      • GEAGLE

        Marty has been blowing cook the past month. Steelers may be connected to ODB..
        ..
        Don’t sleep on someone liking KBs upside more then Evans and he falls.
        ..
        The record is 7wr drafted in round 1…it could get close to the record..
        ..
        My fear is Manziel falls to 22 and that only WR to chose from are KB and Lee…

        I’d rather have Moncreif then Sammy. If chip gets him, he will be a star. Few scouts have called him most under rated player in SEC..Josh Gordon type in a chip offense? Yes please.

        Billy Davis will adore Christian kirksey more then Telvin or C. Jones

        Any of yous watch a nakita Whitlock highlight yet?

        • travis papa

          Steelers are going to be in play for Evans or KB. They have promised Ben a big wr like burress again. They need OL CB S and WR

    • Tom w

      Or Barr or fuller or cooks

  • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

    When is the last time we went into a draft with only six picks? It just seems to me that such a thing hasn’t happened in a long time. Probably wrong, though.

    • OldDocRoss

      Only made six in 2003 and 2001. Best I can see, the last time we made less than that was…..89?!

      Related – forgot how fugly that 2003 draft wound up.

      • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

        We don’t need to re-live, just wanted to know that I’m not crazy in feeling that we always have more that this.

        • OldDocRoss

          Nah, not crazy but I’m kind of amazed it’s been that long. Felt sure there’d be a random year or two I’d have forgotten about.

          Annoying given how deep this draft looks. And I don’t really want to lose any of the guys that keep getting brought up in trade talks. Except Bryce. Doubt there’s much demand there though.

          • LooknAtMyGucciItsAboutThatTime

            Very annoying. We were always so good about going into a draft stockpiled and now we when we need to be we’re not.

      • dnabrice

        Especially because they struck gold the prior year in 2002.

  • Shane Brown

    Just thought about this: maybe the eagles are exploring trading desean straight up for an OLB? I think i would be okay with a trade if we got a respectable pass rusher

    • Javi Echie

      That would be a logical idea but I highly doubt just cause teams value pass rushers more then wideouts. You can always find a good wr in the draft, its hard to find a polished pass rushers in the draft that can make an immediate impact so teams aren’t willing to just move on from an OLB

    • Reg Pannypack

      No chance. What OLB would we get in return that would be a fair value trade?

      • Amar (India)

        Aldon Smith

        • JofreyRice

          I’m not sure I could understand the thinking of trading a guy for “character” issues, for another guy that has multiple DUIs, and who was caught wielding an assault weapon at a house party. That seems a little more serious than Desean having an argument with Bicknell.

          • cliff henny

            jax called him poopy-pants, there’s no coming back from that!

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            well, at least Azz would be satisfied with his level of violence.

          • Amar (India)

            Damn you, people doing their homework and quoting all facts.

      • Michael Myers

        dion jordan

  • Tom W

    how is this kid broke already???

    • Clamdigger

      Who? Jackson’s not broke and no one ever said he was broke…

      • Tom s

        No I have seen it written a few times in the last week

  • Tom W

    Thanks Tim. Nice explanation.

  • cliff henny

    ugh, one of the few reporters I do listen to, has NYJets calling about Jax. links that Vick visiting and those 2 being tight. Jets 1st would be right around Mike Evans range.

    • dnabrice

      Desean would like the big lights of NYC! Vick would be happy too. I still don’t think a first gets us a better player than Desean though…maybe better value, but we have enough cap space that it’s not a concern…

    • Tom w

      Hmm tons of money to put in wr position for jets. But otherwise that is one of the several places I could see calling about him …. Dunno if they want another potential problem at wr after santanio Holmes but it makes them set at wr for yrs.

      Allentown morning call talked to another djax associate who said “no way he is back.” Also hearing he is broke and robbery of his place looks a tad fishy. A new deal would get him the big signing bonus check asap

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        your last paragraph really speaks to the whole “fact vs. conjecture” that piece that Tim laid out above.

        Great article, tim. Your last tweet response is clutch, only having 6 picks in this draft adds up less than the DJax b.s. Would it be possible the Eagles are looking for quantity back in return? say, a 3rd, 5th, 7th, pick next year?

    • Nailed it!

      Come on, no way the Jets would give us their first, I know it is the Jests but I just do not see it happening.

  • Nailed it!

    Wow first-pick.com is way more fun then i thought, first time through, this is what we got… Will get better as I do it more.

    Round 1 Pick 25 (S.D.): Odell Beckham, WR, LSU (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 25 (S.D.): Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 25 (S.D.): Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama (B)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Bennett Jackson, CB, Notre Dame (B)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (C-)

  • ia

    Now DJ can show where his real love is: with the money or the Eagles.

    • RIP illa

      You’re an idiot!!!

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    Remember when they thought someone was yelling at desean and desean was ignoring him, but the view was partially blocked and he was yelling at someone sitting right next to desean.. lmfao.. there was a media firestorm over that too…