Wake-Up Call: A Look At the Safety Position

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The safety picture may not be complete, but it is starting to come into focus.

The Eagles signed Nate Allen to a modest one-year deal Monday, bringing the number of safeties on the roster to five. Allen, who is entering his fifth NFL season (kind of hard to believe, isn’t it?), joins Malcolm Jenkins, Earl Wolff, Keelan Johnson and Chris Maragos.

That looks pretty different from the 2013 group, which included Allen, Wolff, Patrick Chung, Colt Anderson and Kurt Coleman.


It appears that the Eagles have upgraded the position, if only because Chung is out and Jenkins is in. Jenkins is not without his flaws but is expected to be the best of this bunch. His versatility should allow Billy Davis further creative freedom.

Allen was steady last season. He started all 16 games for the Eagles and showed improvement, particularly as a tackler. Wolff had his share of growing pains, but in theory should get better now that he has a year in the pros under his belt.

What the Eagles continue to lack is a noted playmaker at safety. Allen and Wolff had an interception each in 2013. It's yet to be determined whether Wolff will turn into a turnover-generator, but Allen -- with just three picks over his last three seasons -- has not distinguished himself as a ball hawk. Same could be said for Jenkins, who also has just three interceptions over his last three campaigns (though he did have 2.5 sacks and two forced fumbles last year).

Seems like the safety crop has a chance to be average-to-good but it's unlikely to be one of the team's strengths, assuming there are no significant upgrades between now and the start of the season. And that is OK by the general manager.

"Sometimes the option is just to get through the moment and to do some stop-gap things. And I'm not necessarily saying that's what we have to do at a particular position, but if you look at the teams that have won the championships over the last couple of years, they're not perfect at 22 spots," Howie Roseman said at the combine. "And I think there's a big difference having a weakness at a particular position as opposed to being solid and getting through. That's going to be the important thing."

The draft is still in front of us, and it's possible that the Eagles add an impact safety in the early rounds. If it doesn't pan out, "solid" will be the reasonable expectation for the safety spot in 2014.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Allen returns to the fold.

With rumors swirling about his future, DeSean Jackson is uncertain about his standing with the team.

Sheil takes a look at how the Eagles' free agency moves may impact their draft approach.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

The head coach was out taking a look at couple big-name prospects yesterday. From Jimmy Kempski.

Chip Kelly was one of six coaches to attend Louisville's pro day on Monday, where star quarterback Teddy Bridgewater and highly regarded safety Calvin Pryor worked out for scouts. According to Dan Parr of NFL.com, Kelly joined Bill O'Brien (Texans), Gus Bradley (Jaguars), Dennis Allen (Raiders), Mike Zimmer (Vikings) and Ken Whisenhunt (Titans)...
While Bridgewater was the headliner of the event, Kelly was likely more interested in taking a peek at safety Calvin Pryor, who is a consensus top 2 safety in the upcoming draft along with Ha Ha Clinton-Dix of Alabama.
Rob Rang on CBS Sports has the Eagles selecting Alabama linebacker  C.J. Mosley with the 22nd pick.
The Eagles took a significant step in improving upon their 30th-ranked pass defense by landing former New Orleans Saints' safety Malcolm Jenkins but reinforcements are needed. Every team in the league is looking defenders with Mosley's degree of toughness, versatility and leadership.

COMING UP

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  • Richard Colton

    Saw some of the lowlights from the Louisville pro-day. Let’s just be thankful we don’t have to go QB shopping from this drek. Teddy couldn’t connect on 10 yard outs. Wasn’t accurate on sideline routes throwing to his own receivers. Its like he forgot how to play football in 3 months.

    Glad Kelly was there though. Don’t think it was for Teddy or Calvin. Any other Louisville defensive players we have a top fifty grade on? Johnny G?

    • GEAGLE

      Uhhhh yeah, I’d say, number 1 on my wish list Marcus Smith!!!..the other safety hakim is also in this draft class. Glad Kelly was there to watch him move. maaaaaaarcus Darling. Geoff Moshers report about gamble Being at wake Forrest was wrong, we sent some other Eagles exec I had never heard of to wake yesterday. Not sure if gamble went to Louisville with Chip or if he was somewhere else yesterday

      • Nfl All Day

        Got no mention on the Networks supposed path to the draft. Pretty weak on their part. Once we establish that Teddy has poor footwork, how bout we talk about the other prospects instead of beating one kids narrative the entire show?

        • GEAGLE

          Didn’t see it…but I was never gaga over this draft class, even a year ago when everyone was drooling over Teddy,Manziel and Marriotta! I was never enamored by these QBs…I liked Hundley before he nose dived

          • honest_T

            I’m interested to see where Brett Smith of Wyoming goes. Some draft nicks I respect call him the best QB prospect in the draft. Shiel wrote about him last week and blogging the boys and a note on him yesterday. Needs some work, but wasn’t invited to the combine and isn’t expected to go in 1st round. I bet Chip loves him 6’2, 10 hands, fast. If we get more picks he could be our 4th round QB this year.

      • Will

        Do you think we take Marcus with the 54th pick? Figure Chip goes Offense with first pick…

        • GEAGLE

          Don’t know what to think about Marcus. If I hear his name called at 54, I will be PUMPED!!!! But I still see him mocked in rounds 3, even early round 4…I just don’t know I’d be comfortable hoping he falls to us in round 3
          ..
          What i really really want, is to get rid of the 22nd pick to a bad team, and get a top 5 pick in rounds two and 3…I hate having to wait til 22 in every round..

          • Will

            Yeah thats an awkward spot agree but not a lot of options with 6 picks….why do we have so little picks any way to begin with? I know we gave up one for sproles…The 49ers have 12?

          • GEAGLE

            We should have 7 picks, one in each round. We basically traded soap and our 6th round pick for Sproles, leaving us with 6…but in reality I only like to count picks in the first 5 round, because a good GM should get guys in rounds 4-5. 6th and 7th rounds are flier rounds,

          • guest

            For a guy that comments a lot, you dont seem like you follow this team very closely

          • DELEIT01

            The Key to drafting is the same in a real draft as it is in a fantasy draft. You want to get a head of your competition while still Trying to draft the best player available who is either still on the board or is the best on your board before your next pick. Lastly ask yourself what player in that range you’d be really upset about losing. I try to get 1 rd ahead when I know the talent pool.

            My key targets before the combine based on value anomaly were: Donald, Bucannon, M.Smith, M. Bryant, D. Jones/jean baptiste, kicker. Most are no longer sleepers after the combine. But if you can trade back 5 spots getting an extra pick, and just start with Bucannon, you will get almost everyone on the list and an extra guy giving you value by addition through subtraction.

          • guest

            Remember Boykin…and trust Howie. I would have been fine with Boykin being taken with the Kendricks pick, but I really wanted him with the Curry pick. I was not prepared to wait until round 4 to get him

      • RIP illa

        There was a pic of Kelly in direct discussion with your boy Marcus. I didn’t know the kid had 34″ arms…Damn. Still have yet to watch his breakdowns, but I’m getting around to it.

        • guest

          That discussion between Chip and Smith wasn’t from the Pro Day. It was either from the Combine or the Senior Bowl. Dont remember which.

          I read that Smith may be had in the 3rd. If they can pull off:

          1) S Calvin Pryor
          2) WR Jarvis Landry/Allen Robinson
          3) OLB Marcus Smith

          That would be insane. Its possible Robinson is available in the 3rd, so maybe they could take Smith in the 2nd and still get a good WR in the 3rd

          • RIP illa

            I don’t like Landry or Robinson and not really big on Pryor, but who knows. And yeah the pic, which was used from twitter and put up on BGN, was definitely at the pro day. Senior Bowl practices were held out side and I doubt Lucas Oil Stadium has a bunch of Louisville banners hanging up. Not to mention the shorts and shirts which were the Lousiville “uniform”, so to speak, at their pro day.

  • GEAGLE

    Cossell making some interesting statements: K.Benji is a slightly better WR prospect than Mike Evans…you Evans fans better hope that this starts to become the popular opinion, because of KB leaps Evans, Eagles may have a shot at him,..he also calls Sammy the best prospect since AJ and Julio

    • cliff henny

      Evans fan? that train left station 6 months ago. i’m full on rabbit in stew-pot taking pictures of him drinking coffee stalking!

      • GEAGLE

        Then you need to see KB and Ebron get drafted before him,and you may have a shot. I don’t want anyone at 22, so be my guest and draft him. Jets been talking to Lee and Cooks recently, but I’m sure they talk to like 10 other WR from now til combine

        • cliff henny

          Ebron to Giants is seen a lot. makes a lot of sense. NYGs do know they have no one in trenches, right? better have beast of a secondary.

          • GEAGLE

            I see him as high as buffalo a lot…usually between buffalo and no later then Jets…

          • oreofestar

            I hope the Giants do not get him,or Evans I hope they just get like Lewan or something I do not want those monsters in those ugly Giants uniforms

          • GEAGLE

            They would need to have like 4 first round pics to get me to worry about them

          • oreofestar

            I just do not want them to get Evans or Ebron that would suck, I hope they reach on an O Lineman like last year Kuandijo? :P

          • GEAGLE

            Love to see them draft Mosely…if they were smart, the would spend their first 4 picks on improving both sides of the trenches. I’m hoping they aren’t smart

    • Andy124

      What’s his justification for that? Evans seems to have better leaping ability, better ball tracking and hands, better speed and better route running. At least, from what I’ve read and what little I’ve seen.

      • GEAGLE

        “Cossel called Evans a measured mover, while KB is a superior athlete with more Verticle explosion when the ball is in the air. Remember watching KB run by Pourify Floridas CB who can really run and KB shows a burst when the ball is in their air which is something you definitely look for in vertical routes”-roto

        • Andy124

          Thanks.

  • Will

    52 days till the draft glad to see Coach Kelly doing due diligence checking out players..

    • GEAGLE

      Chip leaves no stone unturned. He was at friggim temples pro day for crying out loud..think he loves the pro days

      • Will

        Wonder if Chip is looking for an OLB?

        • GEAGLE

          Don’t think he really has a choice, I’m sure pass rush is our primary concern for upgrades…I’m almost to the point where I say F the DBs, and just go get 3 new athletes for the front 7

          • Will

            Well if your not going to fix the Safety spots then we have to improve the rush….granted Jenkins an upgrade back there…

          • GEAGLE

            I’m happy with Jenkins and Wolff for now…maragos and Nate on the bench isn’t horrible. Rather see what Wolff can do in year two, before investing top pics in safeties, especially in this draft class….attack the strengths of this draft class:
            OLB/DE
            CB(4th or 5th round)
            WR
            DL

          • Will

            I agree think we are done at Safety as well…with the limited picks and poor Safety class I don’t see it happening…

          • GEAGLE

            If we draft one, I’m assuming it would be Bucannon…but I could see us waiting til the 5th or 7th to add another one,,

          • Will

            See James Jones signed with the Raiders…

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I feel sorry for him. Some contender should have add him as a RZ target…it has to suck to spend the tail end of your career in friggin oakland

          • Andy124

            What could be better than catching balls from McMoxie?

  • Nfl All Day

    Im just glad the giants invested $15M in DRC. Pryor didn’t look particularly great changing directions, seemed to stumble a lot coming out of breaks. Went back and watched some Earl Wolfe at NC St. highlights and came away impressed. Problem with youtube highlights is they only show the kids best plays. Need a 3 minute video of them getting beat and then we can survey the whole picture. When’s Buchannon’s pro day? This draft will make geniuses and fools of more GMs than any draft in history.

    • GEAGLE

      Highlights are worthless..watching them does more harm then good. Gotta watch game cut ups of a player and take the time to watch all his snaps

      • Nfl All Day

        I wouldn’t say worthless, but definitely not the whole picture. They’re enough for me to tell you Benjamin is a body catcher, and that’s gonna cause him some difficulties at this level. Enough for me to tell you if these hairbarined Desean rumors have any validity that we need to target ODB to replace his skillset. He may arguably be a more aggressive version of Desean. You can definitely take things away, but I wont pretend it’s like watching tape in any way, shape, or form. Until they release ncaa rewind it’ll have to do.

    • G_WallyHunter

      that contract was 15 guaranteed! that’s great news

  • Harty17

    “It appears that the Eagles have upgraded the position, if only because Chung is out and Jenkins is in…..” Understatement of the year……

    • Will

      Chung was awful knew it when we got him…still am stunned we have Nate Allen still on the roster…lol…

      • guest

        Why are you stunned? Did you watch the Eagles last year? He was solid. He was bad under Castillo. Thats it..

        Year 1 – NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month for September…then tore ACL

        Year 2 – Recovering from ACL tear. Clearly not 100%. Also…Wide 9

        Year 3 – Struggled, along with everyone, in Castillo/Washburn’s Wide 9

        Year 4 – Solid, with big improvements, in Bill Davis’ scheme.

        Nate Allen is not Kurt Coleman. He’s not Patrick Chung. He was dealt a bad hand, but when the situation was right (healthy, good coaches), he’s done well.

        I want them to draft Pryor to start alongside Jenkins, so Nate Allen can be a backup. But Allen/Wolff as the backup safeties provides very good depth.

        • reb

          Yes, he improved. “Solid?” Hardly. Still taking bad angles and missing tackles at the end of the season. However, I will hold out hope that a second season with good, consistent coaching will yield good returns for him.

          • gatwald

            And to think he still ended up as the 5th most efficient tackler in the NFL at safety…

          • reb

            sure, but using that measure, a safety who is always out of position – thus doesn’t have a chance at making the play – or late arriving to a play will still rate high in efficiency. Absolutely agree that he improved and actually got some notices in games for “nice tackle.” The measure only captures one aspect, though.

    • GEAGLE

      It’s Disgusting to think we had guys like Nate,Chung QBing our secondary. Having Jenkins back there is like having a mini Demeco QBing your secondary, making the right checks. Jenk ain’t the playmaker we all been asking for since Dawk left, but he is a smart, student of the game, who wants the responsibilities placed on him and he should help cut down on coverage breakdowns, which should help eliminate some of the big plays we gave up…

      get more pressure on QBs, and our defense should be better then people think…

      • G_WallyHunter

        had a dream a few hours ago, woke up and saw on Rotoworld that
        Demeco had been released… isn’t that a terrible nightmare? Woke me up almost instantly..

        • Will

          lol…

        • GEAGLE

          Lol I’d wake up in cold sweats if I had that dream

          • G_WallyHunter

            I think I did, remember in dream the note said “flat out release” and I was starting to get real pissed off, didn’t even ask for a paycut, then woke up and everything was better :) lol

        • cliff henny

          ha…last night I dreamed of Eagles first game first possession. shady had a 50 yd td run, called back by penalty…didn’t matter, next play Sproles caught screen, went 60 for td, got called back for penalty….didn’t matter…next play Ertz got it all back. finally, DJax topped it off with stand alone in endzone TD. woke up a little ashamed.

          • G_WallyHunter

            HA a sign of things to come, that’s a pretty loaded dream.

          • oreofestar

            The Jimmy Graham dream came back :P

          • RIP illa

            I’m guessing that Shady TD was called back due to a Maclin holding penalty!!! :-)

          • cliff henny

            find it little embarrassing I had the dream for starters, and pathetic I recall as much as I do…if I got down to remembering those details, put myself on PM 24/7 timeout

          • Andy124

            That implies Maclin is making an effort to block. I’ll take it!

          • devCal

            Dream Team!!!!!!1

      • UncleCarm

        Get more pressure is the key. I might be an old saying, but it is still true, Championships are won on the offensive and defensive line (I think that still applies to 3-4 outside linebackers).

      • Richard Colton

        Where’s the pressure going to come from? That’s the single most important question that needs to be answered. We can hope that one more year in the system means Cox/Kendricks/Graham will be more effective getting some pressure. Or that having a better defensive backfield means they’ll have more time to attack the pocket. For me, the answer is in the draft.

  • Richard Colton

    CJ Mosely? There’s a name we haven’t seen mocked to the Eagles. I think there’s better relative value at ILB later in the draft: Barrow, Telvin Smith, KVN (round 2), Christian Jones (round 2/3).

    The points in his favor? Satisfies our number one organizational goal in this draft: a defensive playmaker. Be pretty good value pick at #22. I’m torn on this one.

    • Will

      This will come down to who is BPA at #22….I really believe we come away with zero Safeties in this draft with 5 now on the roster. We need an OLB which I think is the Defensive goal going into this draft see them maybe drafting 2 OLB…

      • Richard Colton

        Have you seen my updated “bye-bye caseymathews” 4 round mock?

        1) OLB Dee Ford
        2) OLB/ILB KVN
        3) DT Dominique Easley
        4) ILB Christian Jones

        • cliff henny

          you have better chance of winning Buffett’s $1b bracket challenge than Kelly going defense w/ 1st 4 picks.

          • Will

            LMAO that’s a pipe dream….

          • Richard Colton

            I did best player available at #22, then slightly elevated value at unlocked positions for the next three. But since you’re going to be salty about it offense-boy. Here’s one for you:

            1) OT/G Zack Martin
            2) WR Allen Robinson
            3) OT Cyrus Kouandjio
            4) WR Jared Abbrederis

          • Will

            Think they go WR then OLB if so who would be the picks?

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. I like that possibility too. What would I like to see? ODB/KVN, Cooks/Attaouchu, ODB/Marcus Smith. Think I’d be happy with any of those combos.

          • cliff henny

            this is how I see it, unless Barr falls. then a Barr/Adams or Matthews. if I cant have Evans, and pretty sure it wont happen, Beckham is great consolation prize.

          • Richard Colton

            We’re going to have to accept the fact that the only scenario where Barr or Evans is an Eagle in 2014 includes us parting ways with that 2nd round pick.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            with only 6 picks? hell no. Maybe Barr drops a bit, but there are other good WRs and even decent OLBs later. Can’t see us losing anymore picks, just no way to rebuild the core as Kelly/Roseman say.

          • Richard Colton

            I would trade #22 and next year’s #1 to move up and get Mack. And I love draft picks more than booze.

          • Will

            Does Mack play ROLB or ILB?

          • Richard Colton

            Does he? Does kickalicious live in Norway?

          • Will

            LMAO….K V N might be there at 54 the kid from BYU…

          • Richard Colton

            I love KVN. Not at ROLB though. He’s never going to be that 14 sack, edge rushing terror we’re missing.

          • cliff henny

            mcshay had Barr in late 20′s in a mock once. just never know who tumbles. mocks are fun, but about the closest thing to a waste of time as I ever seen. no one will be even close, and most seem rather reasonable.

          • Will

            They get Cooks then I can see them dealing Desean. Attaouchu might be there at 54…

          • cliff henny

            prefer your 1st mock

          • Richard Colton

            I like them both. Robinson won’t get out of the top 40. So that would be a major steal. Martin, as you know, is my dark-horse for the Eagles pick at #22. And Cyrus is going to drop like a stone. Think he could be crazy value at the back end of round three.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            dang, the worst part about the Peters extension is that we still have a chance to get a swing T/G, but probably not my most favorite draft prophet prospect of all time…..

          • Richard Colton

            Moses is a guy I have sneaking into the first round. As high as Cleveland #26. Could even drop to the late 40s but I don’t see the Eagles going that way. I don’t think he projects to G, so where would we play him?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’m agreeing, just sad to see he won’t really fit here. That twinkie pic will forever make me giggle.
            my new fave? Dakota Dozier. calling it now, 4th or 5th rd.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. I liked him too. Tough to do an impartial analysis because I loved the idea of a guy named “Moses” on our line. We haven’t had a big-bodied Moses enforcer (Mo-forcer?) since Malone. Our QB would become FO-FO-FOles.

            Damn, now I want the guy even more.

        • JofreyRice

          Here’s what I’m thinking they do right now:

          1) Marquise Lee – USC, WR. Pac 12 connection, the one WR no one here wants
          2) KVN – BYU, ILB/OLB. Versatility, not good at any one thing
          3) Josh Huff – Oregon, WR. Need more receivers.
          4) Keith McGill – Utah, CB. 6’3 corner press-man cover corner they’ll use to play in off coverage.

          • RIP illa

            It makes perfect sense with how much Kelly overvalues the PAC 12

    • GEAGLE

      Love me some defense but I don’t think CJ last to us at all!!! I think GB would be THRILLED to draft him,with AJ hawk on a clear decline..think CJ will be really high on GBs wish list, and a lot of teams picking 11-21 could really use him. I don’t at all view him as some who would realistically fall to 22

      • Andy124

        AJ on the decline… seems like he just got drafted. Makes me feel old.

      • RIP illa

        I think Shazier has come on as a real solid contender for our pick at 22. Especially if we’re sticking to a BPA type philosophy.

        • Tom w

          Scheme fit where In a 3-4? Too short to play olb, too small to play ilb …. Ideal will in 4-3 though …

          • RIP illa

            He’s not too small to play ILB. Dude’s 6’1 and just north of 235. That’s perfect size for a prospect. Ray Lewis was too small coming out…And also Ray finished his last year at 235! ILBs don’t have to be 255-260 anymore. And yes he is versatile enough in coverage, run D, and blitzing to man the position. Plus he would be behind Ryans for the year, getting his mind right and body right. There’s no doubt that dude has 1st round talent and is a player. Everyone just had to wait for him to get his numbers in at the pro day.
            I’m warming up to Marcus Smith from reports (just gotta watch his breakdowns) but I wouldn’t be mad at all if we walked away with Shazier in the 1st and Smith in the 2nd.

    • oreofestar

      I doubt Mosley makes it down there anyway

    • Tom w

      I agree plus bama defenders come very injury prone and mileage. I think chargers are looking hard at Kvn in late first. I’m torn between barrow And Cjones. Barrow is ready today jones still has growing but more potential felixinility …. Hearing some teams souring on Christian jones but don’t know why yet … Dunno what flags he has in his background or intelligence

      • RIP illa

        Barrow gives you very little in coverage and has not been labeled an effective blitzer, so it’s like having a younger Ryans when Kendricks blitzes. And Jones disappointed with his athletic numbers.

        People (including myself) thought that he was way more athletic than that. Maybe he just looked it due to the competition he went up against. People like to trash the combine and pro days, but they are needed to see what type of speed you competed against. A lot of the LBs coming out this year looked so fast and dynamic on tape…but then you see/saw them timed, and it doesn’t matchup to what’s on tape. Then you see their offensive counter parts timed, and a lot of them are not putting up the most favorable numbers either. So now your still left wondering how well will they really do when they face “NFL speed”.

        • cliff henny

          on C-Jones, really? man, live he looks like the real deal. guess that’s the issue playing with 6 or 7 pro prospects, flaws get hidden. funny thing is often the best pro player coming off loaded d-units like FSU’s is unsung guy, like Brooks.

          • RIP illa

            Tell me about it. I loved/love me some Jones, but man I overrated his athleticism something fierce.

          • cliff henny

            he’s been listed as 4th rounder most of the yr for a reason. started seeing him get bounced to 2nd probably cause FSU won Nattychamp. he’s Ryans replacement, gives year to groom. as with all these guys, it’s relative to where they are picked.

      • Richard Colton

        Intelligence huh? Fine. He’s playing linebacker, not splitting the atom. They said the same thing about Trot and Brian Urlacher. I’ve seen the Christian Jones cut-ups, and he looks pretty kinesthetically intelligent to me. Now I want him even more.

    • JofreyRice

      I wouldn’t have beef with this. This kid could be the next Sean Lee or Navorro Bowman, if it all works out. Hard to find a real ILB that can move like that in coverage.

      As Tom mentioned though, those guys coming out of ‘Bama need some kind of warranty attached. Saban grinds them to a stump.

    • ztom6

      the mosley pick is silly. He’s a weakside ILB in the 3-4 and we already have Kendricks. BPA or not, it makes little sense.

  • Will

    DeSean Jackson Trade Rumours continue to swirl….find it hard to believe they would consider putting him on the trade block for more picks…I guess that me me me attitude is going to get him kicked to the curb in the end. If they can land a nice haul at least 3 picks for him….The Panthers need WR’s would get him out of our division….

  • ia

    Desean has to show the Team that he loves them more then the money.
    That’s what Chip (team/staff) is waiting for. Untill then he is not committed to Desean.
    So they are as committed to Desean as he is committed to them.
    Totally fair.

    • Will

      DeSean better come around soon I’m sure the offers are coming in….The right offer of picks and he’d be gone….going #22 in the draft leaves a lot to be desired…

    • Andy124

      Too many soap operas and teen dramas for you friend.

    • Uncle Wonder

      What does that even mean? lol

    • RIP illa

      Screw That! The only things Desean HAS to do are stay black and die!!!
      But if we wanna look at it from a strictly football sense, Desean has to show that he can buy into the system, ball out, and get production. He already did that.

      • Andy124

        If Michael Jackson didn’t have to then neither does DeSean!

        • RIP illa

          Well Mike Jack didn’t have to do one of them!

          • Andy124

            He’s not dead. He’s hanging out with Elvis on a beach somewhere.

          • Will

            LMAO…

          • NickS1

            With Biggie, Pac, and Marvin

      • Will

        Team first not me first goes a long way with the Eagles….DeSean immature adtitude will be his downfall….

        • RIP illa

          Discussions already been had. This BS fantasy world that is trying to either be created by the FO, or created for the FO by the media is ridiculously naïve and flawed. There should only be 3 questions…
          1) Do you believe in what we’re doing…ie, buy in?
          2) Can you play at a high level relative to your salary?
          3) Are you a cancer? Edit…to the organization or guys on the team.

      • Richard Colton

        I haven’t heard that one in 10 years. Nice.

    • Will

      The Rams with 2 first rd picks would be in good position to trade for him…

      • Andy124

        They send us both and I’ll think about it. Throw in Austin and they’ve got a deal. :)

        • Will

          That #2 overall in the first would be nice….

      • cliff henny

        that #2 overall has me interested…mostly out of spite! Clowney beating crap out of RG3 for 10 yrs would be fun to shove down ‘skins fans throats.

    • RIP illa

      Even worse…when has a team EVER, since the advent of FA, EVER shown that they love their players more than money or the cap space???
      That ish of what DJax has to do, is so F’n Bogus!!!

  • ceedubya9

    One of the first mocks I’ve seen that had CJ Mosley at 22. I like.

    • GEAGLE

      Rather reach for KVN at 22 then draft CJ..boreland,Shayzler I’ll take any of them instead of Mosely

  • GEAGLE

    Shefter all over NFL network talkin bout trading Desean. He will be worth a 3rd round pick by the time the media is done

    • G_WallyHunter

      Ya, this blows, hopefully communication has been made and it doesn’t matter

      • GEAGLE

        Although hearing him talk about it, didn’t piss me off as when our local media talks about it..he said we aren’t looking to trade Desean! But since we stockpiled so many weapons. We can afford to listen to offers,,,I prefer hearing it presented that way, then our click whore media just saying Desen is getting traded

  • GumboGumbo

    I want Pryor in Eagles green

    • Will

      Ran a 4.58 40 sure you want him in coverage on WR’s?

      • Uncle Wonder

        Y do ppl put so much weight on the combine workouts? What does it really mean? Time and time again draft stock gets altered b/c of what somebody did while he was wearing tights and not actually playing football, and then the end result is…
        I think game tape is what really matters…no defendere is sprinting 40 yards in a straight line in a game unless they are playing ST.

        • Will

          Pryor can play the box no doubt but was not asked to cover a lot in the college D he played in….4.58 is slow even sideline to sideline which a Safety in coverage would have to do…

          • Uncle Wonder

            My point is too much judgement is made based on one day…maybe he was faster the nxt day…maybe slower the nxt day…too much is gleaned from too little. Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 but I dont remember anybody catching him from behind.

          • Will

            With 5 Safeties on the roster they might be set there in their eyes…

          • GumboGumbo

            Mike Mamula

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, but we took Brandon Graham at #13 based on his “tape” and Senior Bowl performance, despite a shitty combine performance and short and stubby frame, and he’s been a bigger bust. Mamula’s the punchline, but Graham’s still like 20 sacks short of Mamula on the Eagles alltime list.

          • GumboGumbo

            Danny Watkins

          • JofreyRice

            Another all-star of the senior bowl and “high motor” character jerkoff. Guy ran like a 5.4 40 and put up less than 30 reps. If anything, that combine should have put them off on him.

          • Maggie

            Rocky Bleier. Drafted in the 17th round. Seventeenth. Legs shot up in Vietnam. Can hardly lift his smallish, average little hand for all the Super Bowl rings. Mostly blocked for Franco, but every so often caught a very important touchdown. Speed counts, just not necessarily during the game.

        • Will

          If they go Safety I look for them to take Deone Buccannon who is a core ST player and ran a 4.49 40….

      • GumboGumbo

        Good research! I still want him though. YouTube the man

      • GumboGumbo

        What was Dawkins 40 time?

        • Will

          An impressive 4.35….

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Speed is not the only determining factor. Anticipation & instincts are much more important at safety than “blazing” speed. Chung’s issue wasn’t the speed angle, it was more a combination of lack of agility & anticipation. Pryor can play both in the box and a deep zone safety. His instincts are better than many people give him credit for because all they see is a big hitter. Pryor’s weaknesses are throwing his shoulder too much without his arms to wrap up & he hasn’t had much experience (if at all) in man coverage. But he’s a highly underrated zone defender by amateur draftniks that don’t actually analyze his game & just watch highlight reels & all they see are the hits. Not you, just in general.

        • Will

          The lack of man coverage exp. is worrisome….I think that is the #1 trait they want beyond tackling…I like Pryor just do not see the Eagles going Safety early if at all with 5 now on the roster.

      • peteike

        Byrd ran a 4.68

  • jp

    I’m not the most knowledgeable football guy, but do you guys think Boykin could shine and convert to safety or just take some reps here and there?

    • Andy124

      Honestly, no. There’re not many that can make the switch from CB to S succesfully (or vice versa) and I think Boykin is just way too small.

      • Richard Colton

        How about at OLB?

        • Andy124

          I’m thinking 14 sacks and 7 ints year 1. More once he gets used to the position.

    • Uncle Wonder

      Any corner would view a move to safety as a demotion…thats why older corners get moved inside when their speed is gone

  • JofreyRice

    This occurred to me…2010, we pass up Earl Thomas–because we don’t draft safeties high–and end up with Nate Allen.

    2014, we pass up the next best thing to Earl Thomas, Jairus Byrd–because we don’t overpay for safeties–and end up with Nate Allen.

    Ugh.

    Anyway, I listen to ESPN Denver’s Cecil Lammey, because he’s a knowledgeable draft guy (and I have a pretty long commute). He’s super high on the Wyoming QB, Brett Smith, and said the Eagles had the largest contingent at his pro day. Smith killed the workouts, running a 4.45, and posting a broad jump of 10’8. Some mechanical issues that he’s working on fixing, and some sandlot style to his game, ala Johnny Manzeil, but definitely worth a 5th or later pick as a prospect with developmental upside. Much better physical tools than Matt Barkley; and with Barkley showing no real “feel” for coverage or timing, I don’t know what he gives you, otherwise. Smith’s an Oregonian kid, but the Ducks (while Kelly was there) weren’t interested in recruiting him. Lammey thinks maybe Chip might be trying to correct an oversight he made at Eugene. Thought it was an interesting listen.

    • JosephR2225

      You think that’s bad? As big a disaster as the Brandon Graham over Earl Thomas pick was, it could have been mitigated. Take a look at who was taken with the pick immediately after Nate Allen.

      PS, sorry for ruining your day.

      • Will

        who? ruin my day they signed him again ruined my week…lol…

        • JosephR2225

          Allen was Pick 37. TJ Ward was Pick 38.

          • Will

            That’s sick and an indictment of how poor the Eagles Safety scouts are…lol…

          • DELEIT01

            “Were”. Jenkins and maragos are gold… and Bucannon will likely be the first safety we select, proving some pretty smart guys right.

          • Will

            we have new scouting guys now…lol…Jenkins is a solid upgrade hope Wolff/Allen/Maragos steps it up we shall see…

    • Richard Colton

      Smith’s draft stock (take that empty phrase for all its worth) has been all over the place. He’s showing up now in round four. Could very well go ahead of Mettenburger and AJ McCarron. Do the Eagles spend a 4th rounder on a QB two years in a row when they have their guy for the next 1,000 years? It would be a pretty damning indictment of how they whiffed on Barkley.

      • JofreyRice

        Yeah, you’re right. I’ve heard some draft folks talk about him all the way up in the 2nd!

        I have no idea how “in the loop” players are regarding their “stock” but Lammey actually interviewed Smith, and he said he was hoping to go in the 5th or 6th. Smart kid that really loves football, from the sounds of it. Humble. sounds like he self-scouts, puts in time watching the game, commands the respect of his teammates, works hard, etc. Asked to compare himself to someone in the pros, he actually begged off, saying that he had a lot of work to do. Said his favorite QB was Drew Brees, because of the repetitive precision of his mechanics.

        They do seem to like Barkley a lot, even though he looked like a pile of garbage on the field. But I think they need a dev. guy anyway. I liked guys like Logan Thomas or Stephen Morris, but I came away impressed with Smith’s attitude and the way he conducted himself. With that kind of pick being such a crap shoot to success anyway, I think I’d prefer the guy with his head in the game. 4th does seem high, tho.

        • Richard Colton

          I’m not as high on Logan Thomas. Then again, I’m not as down on Taj Boyd as the rest of the country. If Smith is sitting there in round 5 or 6 and they want to take him to be that developmental guy, I have no issue with it. Just depends on what they have to give up to get back into the 6th round.

          • JofreyRice

            Thomas just really looks the part, can throw the ball with velocity, and can run. And it really stands out because everyone else in the QB class is so dainty. I don’t ever remember so many sub-6’2 QBs coming out at once.

            But Thomas isn’t a QB. I like his developmental upside, but the word was that he didn’t even want to be a QB at Va. Tech. That would worry me, but I’d use a 7th rounder on him. He’ll probably go higher than Smith, because he’s a bigger, better athlete.

          • southy

            What happened with Boyd that his draft stock fell so low?

          • Richard Colton

            Threw a lot of TDs, I know that. I think he’s viewed as a product of the system.

          • southy

            I feel like he was being mentioned as a Rd1-2 guy, and now people are saying 5th. Thought he might have had a shitty combine or something. Personally I think that would be a hell of a bargain, to pick him up in the 5th.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. He fell of the radar. 5th may be too high at this point.

  • Foles2Sproles

    What are the odds they are able to trade Graham & Brown for picks? I would think there are other teams who would find value in their skill sets. If they could actually get someone to bite, how many picks do you think we get for each of them? I would much rather have as many picks in this draft as possible than either of those 2 as backups at this point.

    • Richard Colton

      Great name. Your question? odds are poor. and not getting any better.

      • Foles2Sproles

        Thanks! With all this BS about trading Jackson I was hoping to hear some actual trade news involving 1 of those 2 instead. I didn’t really expect that to come to fruition thou…wishful thinking on my part.

        • Richard Colton

          wishful thinking is only ONE of the services we provide here

    • JofreyRice

      The Universe…what a concept!

      • Foles2Sproles

        Haha! It’s like a leaf…….it’s not a bowl!

        • JofreyRice

          There’s a beautiful anagram I use to discuss the universe with my students:

          Understandment

          Nasa

          Invisibility

          Vector

          Electricity

          Rings

          End (because it’s the end of the anagram)

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You forgot the “S”…

          • Nfl All Day

            Targzitians are obviously reptilian.

    • Nfl All Day

      I REALLY dont wanna give up on Brown. He’s got too much talent. That said, he was a 7th rounder. Idk if he’s done enough to warrant any team giving more than a 5th, maybe? And if all they gain is a 5- 7th round pick for a guy who could easily rush for 1500yds a year? I wouldn’t. Limited half life of RBs, potential for injury, astounding number of touches McCoy had last season. Chris Polk’s injury history and current shoulder issues, Bryce Brown’s unbelievably low mileage. Fumbling issues aside, Peterson and Tiki used to fumble too, that’s a curable disease.

  • MattE

    Mosley ain’t fallin to 22