Notes: Geathers, Wilfork And a QB Prospect

NCAA Football: Hawaii at Wyoming

Clifton Geathers spent one season with the Eagles and is now moving on to a new NFC East team.

The 6-foot-8, 340-pounder signed with the Washington Redskins this afternoon. Geathers was a rotational defensive lineman for the Eagles last year, playing 19.9 percent of the team’s snaps, per Pro Football Focus.




As a pass-rusher, Geathers wasn't much of a factor, failing to notch a sack and totaling three hurries in 131 opportunities. He flashed occasionally against the run, but wasn't consistently productive in that area either.

The Eagles currently have three defensive linemen who are locks to make the roster: Fletcher Cox, Cedric Thornton and Bennie Logan. Damion Square will have to compete for a roster spot. And Vinny Curry's future with the organization always seems up in the air (I think he could be dealt; T-Mac thinks he's staying).

Regardless, the Eagles need bodies along the defensive line. As I mentioned this morning, a couple names worth keeping an eye on: Alex Carrington and Corey Wootton. Neither has been linked to the Eagles, but both guys are still available.

WHAT ABOUT WILFORK?

According to the NFL Network, Patriots defensive tackle Vince Wilfork has requested that he be released. So if the team grants him his wish, should the Eagles take a look?

The problem with this projection is that health is such a big part of it. Wilfork suffered a torn Achilles in Week 4 of last season, and he turns 33 in November. He's obviously been a great player and would be a tremendous addition to any defensive line, but those could be some red flags.

We'll see what the Patriots do and revisit the possibility if Wilfork is in fact released, but my initial feeling is that the age and injury concerns would scare the Eagles away.

A SLEEPER QB PROSPECT

The Eagles sent QBs coach Bill Musgrave to Wyoming's Pro Day to check out signal-caller Brett Smith. Here are the numbers:

Adequate height, big hands and an excellent 40 time.

As a junior, Smith completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,375 yards, 29 touchdowns and 11 INTs. He also ran for 571 yards and four scores. Dane Brugler of CBSSports.com described Smith as "a more controlled version of Johnny Manziel."

Smith was not invited to the combine. According to NFL.com, he's projected to be a mid-to-late round pick.

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  • MediaMike

    “A more controlled version of Johnny Manziel” is not the type of QB we need. No type of running QB is preferred.

    • Maggie

      Doesn’t say “running’. Says “controlled”. SBN says he is good with placing screens and slant passes, which undoubtedly gets Kelly’s interest.
      Edit: Eagles also looking at Robert Herron, WR at Wyoming. See Bleacher Report, for more.

  • PaoliBulldog

    Wilfork would be a great addition to help Logan develop. Seems to fit the character test. But doubt the Eagles will make it rain for him.

    • ztom6

      be worth kicking the tires to see if he’d agree to an incentives-driven contract.

    • FMWarner

      I wouldn’t mind bringing him on. Despite a probable overpay, the term of the contract would likely be short.

  • MediaMike

    Wilfork, at 100%, would be exciting. Wilfork, coming off of that injury, has been correctly discussed by Sheil.

    • PaoliBulldog

      Peters’ incredible recovery from successive tears has made me slightly less pessimistic about W’s prognosis.

      • MediaMike

        Is Wilfork going to drop weight like Peters did? Wilfork might be less impactful if he’s less pudgy.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Nice Project late in Smith

  • dislikedisqus

    Manziel’s 40 best at the combine was 4.57,fwiw.

    But as for the rest of the stats, compare which conference Manziel played in.

  • Will

    With 6 picks do we have to take another flier on a QB?

    • Andy

      UDFA.

      • Will

        hope your right…Barkley scares me as a Back up…

  • Nfl All Day

    Geathers=classic “Looks like Tarzan-Plays like Jane! “

    • Will

      yup…

    • Richard Colton

      He’s 340lbs. Looks like Tantor, plays like Jane.

  • Will

    Well someone wake me if we sign any more player’s…

    • Andy124

      Lots of rumors that the Eagles have signed Chris Clemons. We haven’t. But with all those rumors, it may just be a matter of getting the final paper work done or something.

      • Will

        Sources?

        • Andy124

          twitter. Les, Tommy, McLane and Kempski all acknowledging the rumor, stating it’s not true. None are sure if it’s flat out wrong, or just premature.

      • Eagles4Life

        Which one?

        • Andy124

          The safety. The DE signed with the Jags.

      • peteike

        Chargers just signed him

        • Will

          link?

          • peteike

            oops, Kellen

      • Token

        Hmmmm. They dont like Wolff very much if true.

        • Andy124

          Always extremes in life.

          If we don’t sign another safety, we’re really high on Wolff. (Been said multiple time here).

          If we do sign another journeyman safety for depth, we must not like Wolff very much.

          Screw you middle ground, I deny your existence!

  • Richard Colton

    Tommy L just tweeted Chris Clemons rumor mill is heating up.

    • NickS1

      I don’t hate this as much as others do.

  • Will

    Clemons signs we have 4 Safeties then. Make sense the price would be real low 2-3 mil a season if true…

  • Token

    Domowitch gets in on the Jackson trade rumors:

    “After re-signing Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin, and now adding a unique weapon like Sproles, who caught 71 passes last season and had seven touchdown catches in two of the last three seasons, and a draft coming up that includes one of the best and deepest wide-receiving classes in recent history, might the Eagles be willing to trade Jackson for more picks? Believe me when I tell you it’s been talked about on the second floor of NovaCare.Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Addition-of-Sproles-Gives-Eagles-Trade-Flexibility.html#RJWQlh4QbEVOwglz.99

    After seeing how this offseason has progressed in FA, this keep making more sense IF they can get value.

    They arent building for right now. And I dont know Jackson would be around when they are ready. Especially if that contract doesnt get fixed, which doesnt seem to be happening.

    The question is what is Jacksons value? Could they get a 2nd rounder? It would be nice to have another 2nd in this draft. And also would anyone trade for that horrible contract. The one certain thing is Jacksons value will never be higher than it is right now.

    • Dubya

      I wouldn’t trade him unless it was something like a 2nd rounder. Not going to get a first, but in all honesty I don’t believe its a bad contract, very team friendly just high salary number but nothing guaranteed I think. I would like for them to keep everything intact for now and watch the full potential of this offense this year with the league learning Chip and Chip learning the league.

      • Token

        I mean me to to an extent. It would be a fun season, but they aint winning the SB this year. So id rather get resources to build forward.

        I doubt all this smoke is made up and coming from out of thin air. If his contract isnt redone this offseason I dont think Kelly cares much for Desean.

        • oreofestar

          We can still hope, SB aspirations shall stay alive for me

          • Kev_H

            I agree. They are built to win it all if they bring in a strong legged kicker.

    • NickS1

      Gotta be willing to eat 6mil in dead for that trade. Definitely a slight caveat.

    • JofreyRice

      I don’t know. You get a pick in the first or second round, you gotta go draft another WR in the first or second round that may or may not be able to put up 1300 yards and 10 tds–what’s gained?

      I think people really underrate and undervalue Jackson. He dogged it in 2011. Sure. No argument. But it’s been 2 years since then. He played much tougher in 2012, in a season when a lot of guys quit, and he played his ass off in 2013. And he’s developed into a guy that runs more than just 9 routes.

      • Tom W

        Yea I’m w you. I personally don’t think we can expect his downturn anytime soon …. look at steve smith, terry glenn, and joey galloyway .. midget deep threats w elite speed … all three played well into their mid 30s … lets not be so quick to disregard history and project false assumptions on djax…

        • Token

          I think Desean was a declining WR for 3 seasons prior to this with some injury problems. His value wasnt much over the last few years. Now he exploded in Chips offense in a year we didnt play many tough defenses. God im gonna catch hell for that line. But what im saying is, his value will likely never be higher. If for whatever reason Chip doesnt think hes a longterm fit it makes sense to move on now.

          Jackson wasnt great in the last 6 games of the year. Including being completely taken out of the biggest game of the year. Its possible games like that last Dallas game and the NO game make Chip think about things.

          • oreofestar

            people forget that if you trade DJAX now you have to take on 6mil in dead money

          • Tom W

            I hear ya. I hear Chip really dislikes he can’t beat press coverage and has to find ways to get him moved around the formation. I would need to be overpaid for him at this point … like a first rounder. but we could revisit this discussion next year.

            If CHip wants it, I am obviously in. Just dont know if he wants it.

            I’m more worried Maclin is bolting after this year for the big money, and rookies are rookies and unknowns. Sproles helps for a year but he is declining quickly.

          • RIP illa

            Ha. He took off 2011, was on pace to have career best in receptions and yards in 2012, before getting hurt. And tore the roof off this year. And was only 100 yards under his career best, at the time, while only missing 2 games in 2010!!! Where do you guys come up with this stuff???

          • CSpangler

            He was stuck w an inaccurate Mike Vick for a while there

      • peteike

        part of me believes the system can still produce without him so I dont hate the idea. I still like djax though so Id rather they keep him at least this next season.

        • JofreyRice

          Yeah, I think the system can still produce without him, but I think it’s much better with him. I think you’d have to replace him immediately with a pretty high draft pick.

        • Will

          If they ditch DJax who the hell on the Eagles can cover the guy? name one? I don’t even think Boykin is that good…something to consider before you part ways with our #1 WR…

      • Token

        I think some things factor in.

        -I dont know how he is in the locker room. If they would get rid of him, id have to believe this would be the main issue they want to eliminate.

        -Last year Chip never put D. Johnson on the field with Jackson because he prolly didnt want two shrimps out there. Even tho Johnson was, at least to me, more effective of a player than someone like jeff Maehl. So does Chip like the idea of having Jackson and Sproles on the field together 30-40% of the time?

        -We may have just seen the peak of Jackson. He will be 29 in the 2015 and is a speed guy who is tiny. He loses a step and you dont have very much anymore.

        -The contract. This is the key. I cant imagine a scenario where the Eagles want to pay Jackson 12.5 this year, 12 next year and then 10 in the 3rd year. I expected a contract redo this offseason. I think everyone kinda did. If that doesnt happen you have to wonder what the future is. Maybe they just want him playing on a year to year deal basically. Cant imagine that goes over all that well with him considering he mentioned getting a raise at the end of this season.

        I have no clue what his value is, especially with that contract. maybe its a 5th rounder. But if I can get a 2nd I think Id do it. You should be able to get a Evans or a Beckham in the 1st, which was a option either way. Then you have two pretty valuable 2nd rounders. Or some ammo to trade back into the first if a defensive player slides.

        • JofreyRice

          Ugh, no way am I flipping Desean for anything less than a 2nd. The guys numbers were incredible last year! I know he’s making a ton of money, but they gotta pay someone. Sure as hell ain’t paying these bum free agents, and the HOF 2012 draft class is not going to eat up every last red cent the way some would have you believe.

          I’d love to see them add Odell Beckham Jr. or Mike Evans, but not at the expense of Jackson. I know it sounds like a packed receiver corps, but you don’t know what you’ve got in Maclin, yet. He’s a guy that is not only coming off a knee injury, but has shown very questionable run after the catch skills, and just so-so hands. And one of the strengths of Maclin’s game–finding a soft spot in the zone, and sitting down, figures to be much less useful, considering teams had the most success defending the Eagles with press-man coverage.

          • oreofestar

            I am not flipping him for a 2 when I am still on the hook for 6mil in dead money

          • Adam

            Whether you like Howie or not, I just don’t see him going out and trading him after he puts up career numbers. That’s a bad precedence to set. You have to pay the guy. I think that a lot of the $$ issues can be resolved with DeSean after this year when we see if he can continue his success or dogs it after no getting a new deal. Reevaluate and decide if you want to move him or fix his contract to give him so guaranteed $$ and lower that cap hit some.

          • Will

            Losing DJax would be crazy….nothing has happened but this is BS…they want him but do not want to pay him just being greedy and cheap…

          • RIP illa

            Nothing less than a similar deal for the Harvin trade!

        • RIP illa

          That lose a step shit is so bogus. Do people who think this not understand how fast this man is??? Seriously, think Darrell Green! If he loses a step he’s still faster than Most of ALL the players in the league!!!

          • CSpangler

            +1

      • Richard Colton

        I understand all the criticisms of DeSean. Some of them are more than warranted. He’s still a legitimate #1 receiver with speed to spare. Dealing him for a #2, then drafting an ODB or Cook in round #1 smells a lot like signing Roy Halliday then losing Cliff Lee on the same day. Why not both?

    • Tom W

      If the Raiders take 22 and djax and give me the third pick (?), I would do it.

      • Tom W

        But otherwise I think its creating a big hole for no reason w no guarantee we can even come close to replace him this yr or next. maclin could suck or bolt and the rookie we get could not catch on …

        • Token

          I think youd assume they get a 1st rounder WR. Which was to me a option even with Jackson.

          It kind of does add to the Sproles deal. Domo makes a good point in that regard. The Sproles deal is really strange to me considering where the team is. Unless they are thinking about filling a possible passing game production void.

          • Pennguino

            I
            think DJ’s speed and threat is an asset to any team. But you need to have a
            strong arm QB to really take advantage of it.
            I love Foles and wanted him as the starter last year. But he does not fit with DJ. Foles seemed to favor the big receiver when
            he wanted to put one up. DJ did pull
            double coverage a lot last year so it made sense to target Coop more
            often. Both, Mac and Coop have good
            speed that if you sleep on them or get caught in the wrong coverage they will
            burn you. But Nick is more of the LOS-20
            type of passing. You need big bodies to
            bang it in close or great route runners to get open. Neither of those are DJ. DJ is vertical speed and the comeback because
            of the cushion and respect they give him.
            The deep route is gone with the safety over the top and Nick’s arm of
            not having that 30 yard frozen rope to beat the breaking safety. That leaves DJ with the comeback. He had some success on shallow crossers and
            out patterns. I thought he would kill in
            the bubble screen game with his speed but he never really showed up there.

            The
            two plays that stick out is him getting stonewalled at the 1 and on third down
            not being able to push it to get the first.
            DJ doesn’t have the shiftiness to be the traffic RAC guy. He needs a seam. Sproles / Shady have the screen game and the
            shallow crossers. The TE’s have the
            shallow crossers, in routes, and seams. Mac
            and Coop (Draft Guy?), have the deep stuff and the deep outs and come backs.

            DJ is
            an asset and he makes the team more threatening with his deep speed. But his production can be replaced. He adds a different element to the game but
            at this salary, I don’t think it is worth the cost.

          • Adam

            His production can be replaced, but it needs to be determined by whom before we trade him. Maclin has never broke a thousand yards let alone the health concerns, and Coop is no where near a number one. Trading DeSean pretty much handcuffs you to a WR in the first, and even then you have no real idea if he can put up DeSean’s numbers.

            I don’t agree with your point on Foles… at all. I think he did a fine job of putting the ball out there for DJ. And I want to see them together for another season now that our O has a few more weapons to pull away the double coverage. The deep route is still very much there, and even if we don’t throw actually throw it to him, it’s clear what those routes do for our run game as well.

      • UKEagle99

        I’m then trading back from 3 a little if I can get a taker.

    • RIP illa

      Yeah a 2nd…ummmmmmm, No!!! The fan in me says we should get more than what the Vikes got for Harvin. The realist in me says we should get equal value for what the Vikes got for Harvin! Trading a special player coming off of a 1300 yard season with maybe one or two drops seems very F’n stupid! That would mean a team is vertigo over on us cuz of desperation to acquire one more F’n pick this year!!! Screw that!!!

      • Will

        Think they keep DJax just talk to get him to restructure his contract…other than him stretching a Defense mostly double coverage… do not see this happening…….nor a raise…

        • RIP illa

          They should…at least before it starts to become an issue. Hell, he was asked a question and answered it honestly, and the Philly media tried to blow it up to epic proportions!!! I think they should have done it after last season and gave him more gaurnteed money and avoid any chance of future problems. 2nd time that they’re not doing right by him, so to speak. 1st time was wrong and ended up being horrid for both parties. You don’t have to make some outlandish deal and/or agree to terms that only benefit him and not the team, but damn…be proactive/preemptive and keep this team moving forward, smoothly!

          • Will

            Agree whole heartily I mean damm 1300 yards and they want to get a pick turn around and draft a WR? Would be another Eagle FO blunder to lose DJax….

      • cliff henny

        pleeeeease, media hasn’t been correct about any moves, all of a sudden they’re going to predict a blockbuster….no way

      • Andy124

        I’ll believe that trade talk after DJax gets traded. 3 days after, just to be safe.

    • FMWarner

      I prefer to keep him, and I don’t think I’d take less than a first rounder. I don’t think his contract is onerous. Jackson takes a lot of heat from the fans here because of what comes out of his mouth, and I think it blinds people to what he does on the field. I think his value would be apparent if he were to leave.

  • NickS1

    Just got home from surgery, way late to the party here. Not sure how I feel about the Sproles trade. I love it because it’s Sproles, and I don’t love it because he’s 3, on the slight decline, and for the 5th round pick, it’s not unreasonable that a 22yr old DAT/Dri Archer could be had. It is an uprgrade, though, so I don’t hate it. As for the corner, unless he it gets Roc off the roster I don’t see the point. How much more can we really piss off Boykin, the best DB on the roster? I really just don’t understand their thinking where he’s concerned.

    • Will

      Boykins staying inside Nolan is a 3rd outside CB for depth…Sproles the best FA signing they have done …Jenkins/Maragos/Braman/Carrol/Sproles is what you missed…

      • NickS1

        Boykins wants to get outside. That’s the issue.

        • Will

          Howie already stated he is staying inside….

          • NickS1

            Again, that’s the issue. Boykin doesn’t want to be relegated to the inside. And fans don’t want the best defensive back on the team on the sideline for half the defensive snaps.

          • Will

            Just telling you what the GM stated publicly…

          • NickS1

            I know. Doesn’t make it not questionable, though.

        • peteike

          Injuries happen, you never know, theres time for him to get outside still but yeah, I dont get forcing the issue here for maybe the best athlete at the position. Id like to see him get a shot outside also at some point.

      • NickS1

        See you edited. I only missed Sproles and Nolan, and Sproles wasn’t a FA signing. An asset was given up. And my thouts are clear on Nolan. Is what it is.

        • Will

          Yeah Sproles a trade my bag…

    • Adam G

      After the combine, I don’t think Dri Archer is lasting til the 5th round.

      • NickS1

        No one knew about him until the combine and RBs aren’t valued. He might not, never know but it’s far from out of the realm of possibilities.

        • Adam G

          He was def on the radar before the combine. And he isn’t really a standard RB. He def will be a hybrid RB/WR.

          • NickS1

            Forgive me, I was unaware of how much press the Kent State football program receives.

          • oreofestar

            Well I knew he was he was a fairly known player to a hardcore college football fan I get what you mean though combine definitely raised his status

          • NickS1

            Exactly, those who religiously follow college football knew him, but casual fans likely did not until he got some highlight reels, and the draft brought him a ton of attention. Highlights against average competition are one thing, putting hard numbers to a player such as a 4.26 40 time will draw far more attention.

          • OldDocRoss

            In fairness he was somewhat known before the combine. Here’s a couple of pre-combine reports from random folk:

            http://www.totalsportslive.com/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-dri-archer/

            And featuring highlights! (spoiler: he’s quite fast)

            http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/17/5319944/scouting-the-draft-dri-archer-rb-kent-state

            I remember seeing someone even had him going as high as the 3rd but I can’t find that just now because now the Googles are clogged up with stuff about his 40 time.

            Full disclosure – first I really heard of him was late last year when his name came up in a conversation about DAT.

          • NickS1

            I don’t follow a ton of college football personally, but it’s not like this kid was on the national radar preseason. That’s more my point.

          • Richard Colton

            If Al Davis was still alive, he wouldn’t make it past #5

    • JofreyRice

      Seriously. I really hope Chip’s talk about there being no depth chart is true of cornerback. I think Boykin outplays all these guys–and he’s homegrown! The guy had the second most picks in the league playing 50% of the snaps!

      And something tells me offensive coordinators know who he is; remember Pittsburgh’s Antonio Brown calling him out, by name, as a rookie? You don’t hear that often, but you do hear it when a guy is jumping off the tape at someone. He’s the one guy Howie’s drafted that looks more than solid, he looks like he could be a star. So he’s 5’9, who cares? Alterraun Verner is 5’10. If Boykin continues to develop, and they keep him in the slot, someone in the league is going to offer him a job on the outside, and give him outside corner money. I don’t want that. I want him ending Cowboys’ seasons in midnight green for years to come.

      • Token

        I agree, but I think he will probably have to go elsewhere to start. Its a case of Chip putting size before talent.

        Cary just sucks. Cant even sugar coat it. Hes not good. And hes stealing 6.4 mil from the Eagles this season. That was a bad batting average signing IMO.

        Fletch can play when hes healthy. Im confident that hes a better corner than Cary.

        This Carroll kid I know nothing of. Seems like hes gotten burnt a lot in the past, but cant say ive watched him.

        Boykin can just cover another guy better than any of the above. Ive seen him do pretty well on Jordy Nelson. Ive seen him do pretty well on Dez Bryant. Even tho I keep being told he cant cover these guys. Your typical corner is 5’10 or 5’11. These big guys that can actually play barely exist. Not many to find.

        So heres a kid you drafted who just seems to be one of those natural cover guys. At least to me. He can just do his job well. And hes sitting behind FA clowns.

        They have all offseason to find another nickel corner. Its not the hardest thing in football to find like some want to make it out to be. Your goal is to have a young talented kid really excel in the slot so you can give him a chance outside. Its silly if that doesnt happen. Then you hope to draft well enough to have another young kid be able to play the slot well. Or one of these FAs.

        • RIP illa

          Once again, for the C-Will haters…He and Fleth had very similar stats this season and both had there fair share of ups and downs. So if Cary sucks, then Fletch sucks. If Fletch is solid, then Cary’s solid.

      • Jeff Asay

        I think Boykin gets a new deal and moves outside after this season. Best CB on the roster and I expect they will draft one either this year or next for sure to take over the slot.

    • RIP illa

      That’s pretty much a perfect assessment on the Sproles trade and Carroll is way better than Roc. And the thinking on Boykin, as of now, is not too far off from how Reid viewed the nickel position. Meaning that we want a full time nickel starter.

    • TNA

      Sproles is a great fit for one big reason. Last season, receivers and backs coming out of the backfield sometimes had trouble creating separation. Sproles, even at age 30, going on 31, has incredible footwork and the quickness to get open when things are breaking down. He’s perhaps less dangerous in open space than he was a few years ago, but in terms of simply getting free from man coverage and having the hands to catch, there are very few players like him. He’s like Welker who always seems to have a step or two on his defender.

      Sproles will be particularly deadly near the goal line as teams won’t know how to defend against a terrific running game with our OL, Ertz, DeSean split out or in the slot, Cooper going over the top to the corner and Sproles lined up wherever. Too much talent and quickness to stop – defenses can’t provide zone coverage help on both DeSean and Sproles without leaving other guys with open looks.

      • NickS1

        I never once said he wasn’t a fit. I agree with everything you stated. It’s definitely an upgrade to the offense. I love Sproles, but at 31, there’s a solid case to be made that the resources could have been invested in the draft pick that has similar attributes, like a DAT, who has a far longer shelf life. The argument against that point is that Sproles is a proven commodity. Which is why I neither love it nor hate it.

  • oreofestar

    I do not know if anyone is interested but Ginn is going to the Cards

  • IAteLunchToday

    Reading Sheil’s description of Geathers made me wonder why he wasn’t number one on Howie’s list and wasn’t offered guaranteed millions.

    I mean seriously how does this not describe the Eagle’s off season acquisitions? “As a pass-rusher, Geathers wasn’t much of a factor, failing to notch a sack and totaling three hurries in 131 opportunities. He flashed occasionally against the run, but wasn’t consistently productive in that area either.”

  • oreofestar

    If we are truly signing Clemons it better be cheap as hell like 2 years 5.5mil

    • Tom W

      ehhh he is probably better than jenkins who we overpaid … but not as versatile very good in coverage but not a ballhawk. Him or nate I don’t really care at this point UNLESS Chip and Billy know Earl is a stud (don’t know how they could know that already though) thus we need a safety to compete w earl before we get to the draft bc I DO NOT want to draft for need.

      • oreofestar

        We overpaid Jenkins but Jenkins is better than Clemons

        • Tom W

          jenkins was ranked the WORST safety in 2012 and 50th in 2013. Clemons was rated much higher. Jenkins was signed bc of his versatility which I get, but lets not shit on Clemons … the kid has actually played well for dolphins he just has no upside or elite talents.

  • Tom W

    Before the WIP callers and philly.comers start clamoring for Pryor in the first round, it seems to me that if Pryor’s game is similar to TJ Ward’s and if so, why would we draft him when we let what we hope Pryor becomes (probowlers, etc) go to the broncos for well below market money. And by all reports, we didn’t even reach out to Ward and davis and kelly coached him. If comparisons are true, makes me think we wouldn’t want pryor …. beyond he is under 6ft and didn’t have a great combine like say a buchanon we could get in the second….

    • Will

      maybe the nagging shoulder injury to a hard hitting Safety like Ward scared them away…

      • Tom W

        what nagging shoulder injury … how many games has it caused him to miss?? didn’t cause him to miss any time. and i don’t see a single report citing his shoulder injury at all except for you

        • Will

          well documented search local Cleveland news…you are right he played thru it…

          • Tom W

            I noticed the injury report — just saying didn’t see one report from anyone discussing free agency mention it as a deterrence for any team …. i think we avoided him bc billy d doesn’t see him as a fit (which suprises me) but he would know best cause he coached him in the same defense.

            Makes me think we want a hybrid safety/corner like jenkins …. like the kid from oregon (if he can play safety?), mcgill, or dontae johnson who had a great combine and we can get later

          • Will

            or they see Maragos/Jenkins as a perfect fit….besides being a ST ace Maragos wants the chance to start at Safety no way that was happening for him in Seattle…Seattle’s HC was a former DB coach so I have a great amount of faith in Pete Carrolls safety selections as a whole…

          • Tom W

            Has Maragos ever even started more than 1 game at a time …. i think he just colt’s replacement.

          • Richard Colton

            Im not going anywhere

          • Will

            Well we have on current roster Jenkins/Wolff/Maragos and PS Keelan Johnson at Safety draw your own conclusion….

          • Will

            You realize we gave up draft pick for Sproles leaving us 6. The Eagles do not place importance on the Safety spot so even if Pryor were to fall to 22 doubt they even pull the trigger on a Safety….

          • Tom W

            What does sproles have anything to do w safety discussion? dontae johnson will probably be there in the 5th … and mcgill and kid from oregon in the 4th.

            I dont wanna anything to do w Pryor, hence my initial post that he is a box safety and if we didn’t want the best box safety in the afc at reasonable money, why would we look at pryor. hence I’m trying avoid all the WIPers telling me we will draft pryor.

          • RIP illa

            Haven’t read or heard that there are any indications that teams want to convert Johnson to safety. McGill…yes, cuz he’s really stiff and his tape ain’t that great. Mitchell seems like strictly a CB at this level also. Albeit a very slow one but CB nonetheless. He’s also undersized for an S. If he had a body type like Exum, then I’d be all over trying to convert him. Seems like you’re trying to force the issue. That’s not really a good thing. Irony know I you acknowledged this, but if you draft a CB to convert, then that guy would most likely be a later round prospect and a development project.

            I also am not enamored with Pryor but I don’t believe Bucannon’s gonna be there when we pick in the 2nd unless there’s an unforeseen slip. However that doesn’t seem likely with the perceived dearth of talent at the positions. Hell we might end up drafting Ward. He fits what they like.

            People keep talking about “in the box” safeties, but that’s what they got Wolff for. I’m pretty sure they’re not gonna give up on him yet. So as of now, we got Jenkins and Wolff as the starters, with Maragos and Johnson behind them. So yeah, I’m thinking the most likely scenarios are Ward or a later round (like 4th-5th) Safety, and not one that’s converted.

          • NickS1

            And while Wolff may have been drafted as an “in-the-box” safety, he has the athleticism that allows him to grow into a complete safety. Another reason why I wanted Byrd. Having Wolff along side of Byrd allows Wolff to play in less space and grow his game while drafting more safeties to develop under h behind Byrd. Would have been a golden set-up, in my opinion…. I’m getting less bitter each day, I promise.

    • oreofestar

      Buchannon and getting to 54, I really like Pryor but sure they might but Chip was at Alabama pro day so maybe they like Dix

      • Tom W

        I don’t understand a word you just said. he went to Bama bc they have a shitload of draftable players like every sec school and clemson.

      • Tom W

        I wouldn’t guarantee that …. top 2 safeties, ward, and joyner could all go ahead of him … second or third round… and w elite talent at wr, corner, otackle in first 3-4 rounds of the draft … safeties could fall. not a great class of safeties either … last years was much better. rather not force it. hence why we need the birds to resign nate or add clemons so its not a glaring need heading into draft.

    • NickS1

      Want Buchannon. Want to trade back to do it.

      • Tom W

        trade back where? why not get him at 54 or trade back and get more picks from 22 and take him.

        • NickS1

          Dont see him lasting til then, personally

          • Tom W

            o well. I personally don’t even think he is worth 54. rather draft dontae johnson later … or convert mcgill or the oregon kid

          • NickS1

            With this thin safety corp, I’d rather add an actual safety than try to convert for a project. Just my preference, though. I’m also high on Buchannon.

          • Tom W

            Seems like Buchanon is another box safety like TJ Ward who we didn’t want and actually coached. think they want more of centerfielder coverage safety like jenkins since they want more hybrid guys that do everything …… kinda like dontae johnson.

            I definitely dont wanna draft for need in first 3 rounds and i would argue that buchanon doesn’t deserve to go at 54 in this loaded draft … same w pryor and haha at 22. I think its more likely we would look at a jimmy ward who is similar to jenkins as a well round versatile safety who can do a bit of everything.

          • NickS1

            I don’t want to draft for need, either. I just like Buchannon and would like him. Clearly none of us have any idea what their board looks like, but I do agree that he’s probably not a scheme fit. I like Ward and Joyner as well, though.

          • Will

            Eagles are said to have spent a lot of time checking out Buccanon…could have merit or a smoke screen will have to wait for the draft….

          • Joe L

            Didn’t your first post suggest that Bucannon would be a better fit? Now he’s like Pryor and Ward?

          • Eagles4Life

            Buchanon can do it all. If he falls to 54, I’d take him. There is a chance there could be a run on other positions.

          • Joe L

            I don’t disagree.

          • GEAGLE

            Noooo kid has nice range and has made plenty of plays in coverage…just watch his games against oregon

          • Richard Colton

            I wouldn’t be doing cartwheels over getting him at #54. And I hate the idea of targeting any position that specific. Say the Eagles have him as a top 50 player, and somehow he makes it to 54. That would be fine, but I have a feeling he’ll be overdrafted. Real weak Safety crop at the top.

          • Tom W

            Couldn’t have said it any better.

          • Mitchell

            I like Johnson as well. He seems to fit what we want to do, big, versatile and a bit of a playmaker.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, I think your logic is sound but I believe the whole “not fitting” thing was utter bullshit. They didn’t reach out because he didn’t want to sign a low money, 2 or 3 year deal. Because he doesn’t have to. Think about it, what was Patrick Chung supposed to be? TJ Ward. Hard hitting strong safety type. Run defender in the box, intermediate route disruptor. Stood a little short, but supposedly “lit people up”. He apparently fit like a glove for Billy Davis and Roseman. Was in there in the 3 safety look in the first minicamps.

      The other story was that Jairus Byrd didn’t fit. A ballhawking centerfielder you can literally do anything with–play cover 1 and send your SS on a blitz whenever you feel like it, play press-bail cover 3, have him patrol half the field with a weak corner in cover 2. And Darrelle Revis didn’t fit. The thing that didn’t fit were the 0’s on the contract, and/or integers greater than 3 on the length of the deal. Howie is haunted by 2011.

      • Adam

        I’m curious as to why Cleveland gave Whitner more money than Ward signed for.

        • Will

          They know him better than anyone else curious how that shoulder of his holds up….

        • JofreyRice

          I’m usually not a money guy, but wasn’t it a larger overall dollar figure for Whitner’s contract, but Ward got the bigger deal in “real” money?

          4 years 28 mil total, with 13 mil guaranteed in ’14/15 for Whitner

          4 years 23 mil, with 14 mil guaranteed for Ward. The guaranteed money is spread out over more years, lowering his yearly salary. Makes sense, being that he’s younger.

          It is somewhat odd that Cleveland did that, though. There wasn’t much daylight between those two players, and you could make the argument that Ward was just better, even ignoring their ages. They didn’t pay Whitner much less, that’s for sure. Maybe it was a coverage thing. Whitner improved to the point where he was better in coverage this year. I think deep safeties are more important to that Rex Ryan 3-4/46 overload pressure D than box safeties are. Ward’s not strictly a box safety, but I think that’s where he does his best work.

          • Adam

            Yeah I have no idea, could just be a case of Cleveland being Cleveland too. Just found it odd.

      • GEAGLE

        Ward is literally everything we wish Chung turned out to be

    • GEAGLE

      Ward isn’t the best comparison…I would say his basement is DJ Swearinger, and his ceiling is more Bob Sanders ish, then Ward.
      ..
      I know everyone is down on him, but if he gets with a good defense and quality coaches, I still think he can be a player…I just think Buchanon falling to us in round 2 would provide better value(but him falling to us is no guarentee)

  • Will

    Do not sleep on Maragos he may beat out Wolff…

    • TNA

      Maragos, Wolff and Jenkins will all provide competition for each other. They’re all similar players. Athletic, decently fast, not elite at any one thing, but not bad in any particular area. Maragos in particular looks ready to rumble. He sounds really intense, but articulate — knows his stuff. Same could be said for Jenkins. We’ll see whether Maragos can be more than a 3rd safety and be a consistent every-down kind of guy, but I’d bet he’s going to go all out in trying to be that guy — he knows he has an opportunity here and seems to have done his research on the team and wanted to be with the Eagles. I like the fact that both these guys seem to have chips on their shoulders but also know what it means to be on a successful ballclub and all the intangibles that go with it. When Maragos talks, he reminds of Earl Thomas, high energy, mind going a mile-a-minute but still articulate … I also like that these guys know their role and are eager to compete – when Maragos was asked if he was ok with the “unusual” practice schedule, he didn’t skip a beat in answering that he wouldn’t care if they held practices Sunday morning — whatever gets them ready to be at their best at gametime. I like that attitude. Also like his analytical approach to ST – and how it’s not just guys running down the field and trying to hit somebody — he mentioned sound and quick decision making as one of the key elements of good ST players. Made me think of Coleman when he made the wrong decision against the NO during Sproles’ run.

      Definitely not going to sleep on Maragos and looking forward to seeing him play on ST and seeing what he can do on defense.

      • Will

        My thoughts exactly really enjoyed his interview came away thinking he was gonna do all in his power to be more than just a ST ace….

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt it’ll.but Billy I likes to use 3 safeties, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see maragos have some type of role in subpackages. But I keep hearing how high We are on Wolff. And our free agent strategy backs that up

      • Will

        So Jenkins/Wolff did you see any of Maragos’s Philly interviews? The one with Dave Spadaro? Intelligent, intense, high energy, hard worker..

        • GEAGLE

          Yup…I live on PE.com the day after a signing

          • oreofestar

            yeah they are great,can not wait for the SPROLES one

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah so hype to see how he feels…Jenkins press conference and interviews were good

  • Tom W

    Since Howie went the pupu platter road of free agency, we gotta trade down from 22 and get more picks.. if we value the draft so much, and draft talent instead of acquiring it in free agency, then he must realize we need more picks in the deepest and most talented draft possibly ever but atleast in the last 10 years.

    I mean fisher and lane would be available at 22 in this years draft, and a ton of second – fourth rounders are gonna be day one starters and legit studs in the league ….

    I pray the niners wanna trade us their two 2s and third for 22 …….

    • NickS1

      We pray for the same thing.

    • Will

      Now your caught up with the general consensus of the board work a deal for picks…and hope they saw kickalicious on utube…

    • Richard Colton

      #56, 61, 94 in exchange for #22? It works according to “The Chart” FWIW. It leaves us without a pick in the top 50. Don’t love that as much.

      • Will

        Gives us 3 more picks gotta love that….

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think all of your legit 2nd tier pass rushers will be gone by the top half of the second rd. I’d do that ONLY if I had a deal already worked out to take the 54th & say a 4th to get back up into the top 10 in the second rd & take my pass rusher. Still leaves us with 56, 61 in 2nd, two 3rds, a 5th & a 7th.

        Wishful thinking, but we could literally have our OLB, WR, ILB, S/CB & G of the future through just the 3rd rd in that scenario. Then still have a 5th & 7th to add another OL, DL or both.

  • Will

    Anyone know the Cap room after all the new editions?

    • G_WallyHunter

      editions of eagles football team?

    • Richard Colton

      Cliff will. But you have to ask nicely.

    • oreofestar

      about $17 mil depending on deal structures

    • Pennguino

      How much are they going to push into 2015 (Foles, Cox, Kendrix, Boykin)?

  • Will

    Worth another look….

    • Richard Colton

      you know it!

      • Will

        Eagles did check out the kicker from West Texas A&M….Kevin Van Voris….

    • Jerry Pomroy

      WTF!?! That guy has had a lot of time on his hands.

  • Jeff Asay

    All these signings helping the special teams has me excited to see the end of the Alex Henery era.

  • Will

    Alex Henry and Casey Matthews should finally see the door…

  • oreofestar

    Hatcher in Washington….

    • Will

      He is a beast…Man Cowgirls losing there DL….No Ware, No Hatcher…

    • Joe L

      He’ll help their pass rush, but he was a monster in that 4-3 under last year.

  • Rob

    Eagles lifer here, living in Boston now working in sports, and I can say one thing about Wilfork:

    Full recovered or not, that man got GROSSLY out of shape as the season wore on last season. The glaring factor in a guy with his extreme mass is that his workout routine dipped to nothing when he tore the achilles (rightfully so, not his fault). I am quite afraid of his ability to pass a physical even if they gave him a flyer.

    • TNA

      Agreed. Rather not take a run at Wilfork. Hope Huls’ off-season training regime is helping Square add mass. I expect a legitimately “best shape in my life and added 30 lbs. of muscle” statement from Square during the first week of OTAs.

      • RIP illa

        https://vine.co/v/hVazbaAnLFZ

        That Square??? Should be off the squad after that and combined w/ his less than subpar play!!! 30lbs of muscle…ok.

        • TNA

          lol.I meant Logan. But Square needs a lot of bulking up too…

        • Richard Colton

          Took less than 6 seconds to show what a scrub he is. It’s like they invented Vine just so we can laugh at Square.

          • RIP illa

            Lol. Perfect!!!

  • GEAGLE

    I’m confused,,.was told that we would have no interest in Clemons which is why I have been so against him when everyone mentions him, but today, I’m hearing a whole lot of noise about the eagles signing him, so now I’m totally confused and don’t know what to think, anyone else hear anything?

    Pitt scheduled a Visit with a DL, so I’m hoping it means the visit with Carrington didn’t go well
    ..
    Niners scheduling visit with corners so I’m hoping the visit with Cook didn’t go well..

    I was also told not to expect 5 draft picks being dumped on the defensive side of the ball. I’m told we are strict BPA, and if if just so happens that offensive players are at the top of our board, we aren’t dumping pics in defense just because we have to..we really are expecting our defenders to reach that next level this year, so even without upgrades, we are expecting a much improved defense…so we shouldn’t go into the draft just assuming it’s going to be a defensive heavy draft.
    ..
    Also heard that we didn’t settle on Jenkins! he really was a top target of ours, not just something every from office says when we sigjn a player. Heard we think he is the perfect fit for our scheme and that he will flourish in philly, because our defense is even a better fit for him then the saints,,,heard we are really high on Wolff, and to keep an eye on KB in the draft…

    These aren’t my personal opinions…just what I heard these past few hours from people that normally don’t steer me wrong.

    • Will

      KB in the draft? Figured they go BPA in draft…heard alot of twitter chattter from others about Clemons a few hours ago but nothing I could verify….we are still light at Safety so not out of the question his price should be low by now….

      • GEAGLE

        I haven’t been on twitter, so there are rumors going around about us and Clemons?

        • Will

          Les, and two others didn’t see it myself other people on the board posted it…around 5-6 p.m.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh ok..thanks

        • Will

          Who is KB to keep and eye on? WR Kevin Benjamin?

          • GEAGLE

            Yup

    • Richard Colton

      Tommy L. and McLane tweeted the rumor, but no one will confirm. If its true we’re looking at Jenkins/Clemons/Wolff as your top three fighting it out for two starting jobs. Jenkins doing double duty as back up slot corner. Maragos as ‘teams ace. Allen gone. Colt outside looking in, depending on who thay draft.

      • GEAGLE

        Cliff just tweeted me that we are considering him or Nate? I’m not a big Clemons fan, but we all know what Nate is at this point! and I doubt he is on a different level then Clemons so I would prefer to take a look at the new blood, then bring back Nate..
        ..
        Normally when I hear stuff like this, I typically don’t see any rumors about it, so the fact that I heard it and philly media heard it, leads me to belíeve it could be real

        • Will

          4. Chris Clemons

          2013 Grade: +4.1
          2013 Snaps: 1158

          Summary: Clemons made this same list last year, but after a stellar season he jumped five spots from the ninth-best free agent safety, to No. 4. Last year, with no big offers on the table, he returned to Miami on a one-year deal hoping to increase his value. The former fifth-round pick is now ready to cash in with a long-term deal, and while most will view him as a drop-off from the top three names, he might be a better value. Clemons was our 19th-ranked safety and excelled in coverage — his +7.2 grade in that department was ninth among safeties and he allowed just 0.20 yards per coverage snap, best in the league. However, his run defense grade dipped from +4.4 in 2012 to -3.6 in 2013 and his 14 missed tackles were 13th most of all safeties. Clemons will surely garner more interest than he did last year and be an asset to a team seeking a coverage-minded safety.per PFF

          • Will

            The New York Daily News reports free agent FS Chris Clemons is “on the Jets’ radar.”
            He’d be a better schematic fit for the Jets than Donte Whitner, as Clemons is a true center-field safety and would complement in-the-box type SS Dawan Landry. Clemons is an excellent cover guy, though he’s a bit shaky in run support and hasn’t been a playmaker. The Dolphins are not expected to re-sign him. Mar 9 – 5:49 PM

          • Will

            With the addition of Clemons and Jenkins you could put Boykin on the outside at CB, Jenkins in the slot and let Wolff/Maragos to go with Clemons…Tom W would lov it lol…

          • GEAGLE

            Lol jets signed decker now they might sign Emmanuel sanders. If you are a WR who is worth a damn, how the hell do you sign with the jets? Hopefully Marty will take Damaris Johnson and get them to give up Stephan Hill

          • oreofestar

            Well Decker, Sanders, Hill, MJD, I mean that is a top 25 offense right there, barely

          • GEAGLE

            And then Geno smith ruins it

          • Andy124

            Maybe they think they’ll be catching balls from Vick. As little as I think of him, a lot of players still get little stars in their eyes when they hear that name.

          • oreofestar

            FOR CHEAP I do not mind Clemons cuz we have no depth

          • GEAGLE

            Basically I just want another veteran safeties,.and when my options are Nate,Clemons,major,Bush,Decoud…Clemons can start to look half decent…I feel bad for team who need safeties like GB,cardinals!bengals,rams who haven’t addressed it yet. Slim pickings…rather have the dude we got from Seattle over these dudes

        • Will

          Clemons either hot or cold according to the Miami fans…PFF has him listed 4th best of all the FA Safeties that were to be had prior to the start of FA. Nate didn’t break the top 10….my vote is for Clemons…

          • oreofestar

            I hope he is dirt cheap which he might be since no one has shown real interest yet as far as I am concerned am hopingfor real cheap like 2 years 5.5mil

          • Will

            Yeah third day of FA and no contract cheap is the word….I do not think Nate gets a job any where else and not looking good for Clemons after day 3…..

          • oreofestar

            Yeah he is waiting for value to plummet so he can pick him up during the weekend for < Chung money

          • Will
  • GEAGLE

    Bruce Cambell failed his physical so skins voided his contract..hoping we bring him in for a look and let out doctors have at him

    • Joe L

      What do you see in Campbell?

      • GEAGLE

        The type of athleticism that don’t grow on trees…high upside flier, nothing more..not like I see a player who would be a lock to make our roster…but when you think you have good player development coaches, I hope we keep bringing in these low risk, high upside long shots

        • Joe L

          What was wrong with his physical in Was?

          • GEAGLE

            Rotator cup surgery last fall, hasn’t healed right…guys like him would be major major long shots to make our roster, but you don’t have to invest much to take a look…if we bring in 5 high upside fliers and one turns out to be the next Mathis type! it will have all been worth it…

            I like what Seattle does and leaves two roster spots open to keep bringing in new guys, get to see them up close for a week, and then cut them. They keep bringing in new players to look at constantly. Most get discarded, but sooner or late you find a diamond in the rough…if Schwartz was our coach, I probably wouldn’t be in favor of there strategy…but when your coaches seem to know a thing or two about developing young players, I think the strategy is worth while

          • Mitchell

            Idk if it was a typo but it’s rotator cuff. Not trying to be rude, just wasn’t sure if you knew.

          • GEAGLE

            Typo, my bad…no worries

      • Tikkit

        I see shopping smart, shopping “S”mart.

        • Andy124

          Looking for Boom sticks!

  • GEAGLE

    Interesting…Talib monster deal really could just be a 1yr deal, only 11.5m GUARENTEED..

    • aub32

      Wow. That’s a good contract for the broncos.

      • GEAGLE

        Right,,,interesting since it could end up being virtually the same deal Revis signed with the pats…Brandon Browner close to signing with the Pats

        • aub32

          The broncos basically have the rights to him for as long as Peyton is making SB runs

          • GEAGLE

            Good point, heckuva deal by Elway…now I ATleast can understand why DRC turned it down…before I thought him and his agent were high

        • NickS1

          Definitely seems like Belichek is prepping for one or two more runs at Peyton.

          • GEAGLE

            Bout time,,If I’m Brady I’m done playing the good company soldier. He keeps giving them discounts and they keep taking away all his good team mates,,,bout time they push all their chips into the center…

            We lucky we got Sproles, you know the pats and broncos had to be interested. He woulda been very dangerous with those offenses, but Chip def knows what to do with him

          • NickS1

            He does, but I don’t feel “lucky”. I don’t love or hate the deal. Plenty of weapons in the draft who have longer shelf lives than a soon to be 31yr old Sproles, and with the devaluing of RBs, a scat back could have been had in the draft that would be under control on the cheap for 4 years, instead of just this year like Sproles. Would have at least preferred one or two year extension worked out prior to trading just for continuity’s sake. I love Sproles, though. So, it’ll be a fun year. Just don’t love the deal or feel lucky. It’s a good draft to have a lot of picks.

  • GEAGLE

    Damaris Johnson back to Marty for Stephan Hill? Do it Howie! Don’t make me get Barry Finkle over here!! Note, I haven’t heard anything about his, but it dawned on me as one of the trade you the player we will cut. For the player you will cut…Marty knows Damaris ATleast

    • Sauce

      Agreed, same kind of value and Hill would be a nice fit to back up Cooper, great upside

  • Doctor Rick

    Great blog post!!

    Wilfork is quality through and through. It depends on whether he is through on being able to have game. This is up to our coaching staff and some of the more knowledgeable posters here. I vote yes.

    Musgrave can judge talent. I’m just not sure on what’s at Nevada.

    This stuff is what makes Chip be Chip.

    My next post is “Thanks” to be in Philly.

  • Doctor Rick

    Thanks to be in Philly.

    I’m in town for another day and a half. Walked to 17th and Chestnut and spent some $ at Philly Team Sports on hats and a really warm jacket. I needed it today. I can meet Bird-hedz around 12th and Chestnut for brunch after 10 on Sat. Geagle, Adam, Rob, Henny – anybody available?

  • Doctor Rick

    Loews. Lobby. 10:30 am. Sat. Green Seahawks, er, Eagles hat.

  • Doctor Rick

    Sheil and Tim invited, too.

  • Doctor Rick

    Mis spoke. Wyoming, not Nevada.