Wake-Up Call: On the Safety Front

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Some safety-related  free-agency activity to catch you up on:

TJ Ward is drawing interest from about 11 teams across the league, according to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. The Broncos, Jets and Lions have all been linked to the 27-year-old safety. Cabot mentions the Eagles as another team that might be on the list, citing the Oregon ties that Ward and Chip Kelly share.

They could very well be interested — but at what price point?

Of the 11 teams, interest is strong from at least several. Others might not be able to meet his asking price — which could be upwards of $8 million a year.

Howie Roseman noted at the combine a couple weeks back that even if an ‘A’ player makes it to the market, there’s a chance they’ll be commanding “A plus-plus” money. Inflated price tags are the norm in free agency. The numbers really seem to be up this year, thanks in large part to the $10 million salary cap increase. (For example, defensive end Everson Griffen got  a five-year deal to stay in Minnesota that is reportedly worth $42.5 million with $20 million guaranteed. Cornerback Sam Shields received a four-year deal worth up to $39 million.)


This is not good news for Eagles fans looking for the mega-splash. True, the salary cap bump gives them the ability to spend more freely, but that's not the only piece of the puzzle.

"When you talk about chemistry and rewarding your own players, when you bring someone in from another team and you're paying A-plus money, how are your other players going to feel?" said Roseman."That person has to be a special person on and off the field."

Maybe Ward fits the bill. We'll find out soon enough.

-- It's been pretty quiet on the Jairus Byrd front. There was a report that St. Louis is interested but not much else. Things are surely a lot more active behind the scenes. Largely considered the best safety on the market, Byrd has a big pay day of his own coming his way.

Despite the talent and production, there are a couple question marks that come with Byrd. One is in respect to the plantar fasciitis in both feet that kept him out of action for part of last season. The other involves his 4.68 40-time, and whether his speed will eventually be an issue. Count former executive Bill Polian among the concerned.

"He's a speed-deficient safety," said Polian. "Safeties don't get faster as the years go on."

An ESPN report says Byrd is "expected to fetch a deal worth at least $9 million on the open market."

-- Like several colleagues, I was told that the Eagles have inquired about Carolina safety Mike Mitchell. According to one report, the Redskins and Eagles are the most interested. Whether Mitchell ends up in Philly or not, chances are that the safety (or safeties) the Eagles acquire will be from that mid-level tier.

WHAT YOU MISSED

All the free agency chatter from over the weekend right here.

Sheil gets you ready for the opening gun with his free-agency primer.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Tommy Lawlor weighs in on Mitchell.

Mitchell showed playmaking ability in 2013. Safeties rarely have 4 INTs and 4 sacks in a season. Dawk never did. That really is an impressive combo. Now understand those stats in context. Mitchell played on a very good defense. Not only was there talent around him, but he was given the chance to make plays. Sean McDermott learned how to creatively use a S from his time with Jim Johnson. You can’t count on Mitchell to post those numbers on any team or in any scheme. But Mitchell did have to make those plays. How many times over the years have we seen a player drop an INT or whiff on a sack attempt? Too much. Mitchell was put in position to make plays and he did. He is a physically gifted player with solid size (6-0, 210) and athletic ability.

Mitchell would be an upgrade for the Eagles. That’s enough for me to have interest in him.

In his latest mock draft, Todd McShay has the Eagles taking Ohio State corner Bradley Roby.

The best values at this spot for Philadelphia are going to be at cornerback -- outside linebacker and safety can wait until later, especially if the top two safeties are off the board as they are in this scenario. Roby needs to be coached up, as he got burned several times this season as a result of poor discipline, but his size, speed, athleticism and playmaking ability make him capable of developing into a shutdown corner on the outside.

COMING UP

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  • Robert Baer

    I expect our defense will get some upgrades, obviously. But I’m wondering if the old Chipper isn’t thinking “Hey, if our offense can put up 35+ consistently we just need a defense that can hold teams to under 21 consistently.” I wouldn’t be surprised if we continue with a “cut me but I won’t bleed out” defense, albeit a better one than last year.

    • GEAGLE

      Lol so you just expect to win a Super Bowl blowing out everyone in your path? What happens when our offense gives us a 3pt lead and our defense is on the field to end the game, and they have to protect a lead?…this offensive juggernaut talk is so simplistically dysfunctional, wish fans would cut it out

      • Robert Baer

        Blowing out everyone in our path? That’s an exaggeration of what I said. However, many teams have rolled over just about everyone on their path to the Lombardi. We almost did it in the ’04 season, winning a couple of close games that season as well. As the cards fell, it was our offense that killed us iirc.

        • GEAGLE

          This year. Your offense was good enough. this year your young QB gave us a lead in a playoff game before leaving the field, this year your defense and ST blew that lead and cost us an extended playoff run…there are going to be PLENTY of close games we have to find a way to win…plenty of Times where the defense is on the field last and has to win us the game…what good will the ultra potent offense be then?
          ..
          Sorry but I couldn’t care less about adding offensive depth when we have a MAJOR starting position on defense to fill

          Offense put up franchise records in everything it’s first year playing a drastically different scheme…improve the defense ability to get off the field on 3rd and long, and we will be a serious team that can give anyone hell…bet you will wish we upgraded the defense when we have to get into dogfights with the Seahawks this year and our offense isn’t marching up and down the field like a video game

          • cliff henny

            all he’s saying is defense will be weaker of 2, not field a crappy one. you are admitted defensive swayed guy, so probably little more difficult to accept how the new Eagles play/strategy.

          • GEAGLE

            Use whatever generalizations Yous would like, but we most likely invest about 70% of our assets on defense instead of Offense for the remainder of this offseason,,..
            …doubt you will see 5 offensive players and two defenders signed in free agency, doubt you will see 5 offensive players drafted and two defenders drafted,,,don’t get why this needs to be written since we are ALREADY an offensive team, but it’s seriously misguided if people think being an offensive team means we can’t have a quality defense…when it’s all said and done Chip will build us a well rounded team that’s above average in all 3 phases of the game, and that’s all That matters to me, feel free to call it whatever Yous want

            When you have an offensive HC, I think it’s safe to say we will be an offensive team…but the offensive additions are mostly done, and I can assure you that the we will spend the majority of our remaining assets on helping the defense improve…
            ..

          • cliff henny

            think most people are on-board with that, but that’s not the topic on hand. when Eagles game planned from ’99 (heck ’85) to ’13 it was to win 21-17. when Kelly sits down, it’s 45-24, totally different mindset.
            .
            you have extra caffeine this morning?

          • Joe from Easton

            He is coming out swinging. I think you’re right, loaded up on caffeine to account for losing our hour.

          • UKEagle99

            You guys have had daylight savings already? That’s not fair, we have to wait until the end of the month :( It’s so much nicer cycling home when it’s light!

          • Joe from Easton

            I hate daylight savings. I’m miserable this morning.

          • Maggie

            We used to change in April in North America, but Georgie Bush, Jr. had oil buddies who wanted their employees to work later into the evening so the daylight savings change was pushed back into March. Naturally the Canadian politicians, who are always kissing the feet of the White House occupant, agreed. Even stranger, rigs run 24/7 anyway. Like this site, lol.
            My son drives the truck on the left, currently working near Ft. MacMurray in northern Alberta. It was -40!! when he took this pic.

          • GEAGLE

            Nah, I had a rough night on twitter… Let’s just say I unintentionally set off a cyber riot in chicago

          • Joe from Easton

            Haha, I’ll pass on asking for any further details.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol was having some back and fourth fun with Kyle long and all of Chicago now hates me lol

            Was telling him how we both know where he really belongs and that he dreams of blocking between Lane and Kelce and how he will owe me a cheesesteak when he signs his eagles contract for Telling him his future 4years prior…lol he then hit me with #BEARDOWN shut up you are drunk, and i told him that everyone knows he wears his midnight green pajamas with the footsie’s when Lance Briggs isn’t around lol…and that I understand he has to put on an act with All of Chicago watching lol. Kyle was actually cool about it, but every Chicago fan was snapping and retweeting our interactions lol
            Can’t wait til he becomes an eagle…perfect replacement for Mathis (Herremens would be replaced sooner by Oregons Hironiss grasu)

          • Joe from Easton

            I heard him on Mike and Mike the other day. He was discussing his twitter interactions and seems like a personable guy who has fun with it. That’s pretty cool.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah he was real cool about..,at first when it was just us chatting he answed with a smiley face when I told him he would be blocking for FOles and shady and running thru brick walls for Chip in no time, then when all the Chicago fans started to wine and complain at the thought of losing him, he started to change his tone…but it’s all good fun

          • Joe from Easton

            Gotta love social media. Regular Joe’s get a chance to interact with the who’s who of whatever our interest is.

          • GEAGLE

            Just don’t get what more you offensive nut jobs want? :)
            I mean, Yous will get a WR or TWO in the draft, which I have been on board with for months..Yous may get another TE later in draft or Undrafted in which case you would carry 4TEs on the roster..you need a G to eventually replace Todd. And you might need an OT depending on what Bamiro is or isn’t. I have a feeling he has a bright future( but that’s just a hunch, I never even watched him play) I just hear a lot of our players go out of the way to mention Bamiro! yet I never hear anyone mention Dennis Kelly. At the absolute most, this Offensive teams needs like 5 more players on that side of the ball. Yet on defense, we need 3 new players in the next two seasons just at OLB..

            defense needs 3OLB
            1, maybe two ILB
            backup for Logan
            Possible back up for Cox is Kruger isn’t the answer
            2 young CBs who can be developed into our starters eventual replacement
            We need like 3 maybe 4 new safeties lol
            ..
            I sat here and cheered and praised Howie for how awesome of a job he was doing thru all the offensive contracts he handed out, while the defense just lost players..I wasn’t suggesting we skimp our offense, I applauded every offensive move he made…NOW it’s TIME to adress the defense!!! I write and root for cheap no name additions like Jamarri Lattimore as much if not more then most fans I ask for one stinking quality player? One player who will instantly be the most talented player in our secondary, I don’t think that’s too much to ask for..

            When you hire Chip Kelly! I think it’s pretty much, understood that it’s going to be an offensive team, I don’t even see how that’s debateable, just like when the Vikings hire Zimmer as a HC, it’s most likely going to be a defensive team….but when you put a bunch of young kids in a drastically different scheme and the first year together they set franchise records, i think the offense will be ok and that now it’s time to adress the defense is all

            But yes, I’m not oblivious to the fact that there will probably always be more money and better draft picks allocated to the offense, I just think for where this team is at THIS time, it’s the proper time to start allocating resources into the defense is all…

          • cliff henny

            I want 3Wrs! and TE and RB…but I want to win 70-31

          • GEAGLE

            That’s fiNE, go trade an offensive player or two and get some extra picks :)

          • Robert Baer

            “Just don’t get what more you offensive nut jobs want? :)”

            Not much, just about 20 more ppg and a trophy. I’m on board with plugging the defensive holes. I was referring to some folks’ perception that a massive defensive build-up is going to take place.

          • Maggie

            Really? There is no one more offensive than the one boy who keeps calling everyone else stupid, or dopes, or nut jobs, when he’s not talking about his reproductive organs.

          • Richard Colton

            We have 7 picks. I wouldn’t rule out 4 or 5 offensive players in the draft.

          • GEAGLE

            5 of 7 draft picks going to the offense? How? probably ain’t even 7 open roster spots on offense

          • Richard Colton

            Spitballing: 1 or 2 WR, 1 or 2 OT/G, 1QB, 1 RB, 1 TE

            Could happen. Not my preference obviously, but there are spots for these guys.

          • Andy124

            I’ve read that Garrapolo is bad at things the make QBs always be bad. Instinct type things that almost never change.

          • Richard Colton

            And some teams (rumor mill) have him rated late 1 early 2. Say the Eagles have him as a top 50 pick and he’s sitting there as the highest player they have left on their board in round 4 (the Barkley scenario). Have to believe the Eagles take him.

          • aub32

            I can’t see that at all. I just don’t get how they could go O line before the 5th round. I get you want the BPA, but OT? We are set there for a while. We aren’t SEA. We can’t take a guy who will be on the bench for the next 2-3 years at least in the 2nd. Also, I think Lyerla will be an UDFA.

          • Richard Colton

            Hey, you know how I feel. I want OLB/ILB/OLB with the first three picks. I just know how the Eagles have drafted since ’11.

            You’re right about Lyerla – I think the Eagles will see him that way, but I have a sneaky suspicion some team will fall in love with his potential and take him before the 6th. Just a guess.
            As far as OT – it would have to be tremendous value. Cyrus is a guy who some teams have taken off their boards b/c of the knee. Say (sake of argument) the Eagles clear him medically and have him rated as a top 15 player? Wouldn’t they get excited about him at #54? I’d be upset if they didn’t take him.

          • aub32

            Maybe some team takes a flyer on Lyerla. I doubt it. However, I can’t see that team being us, as we are stacked at that position. As far as OT, I can’t say I know much about Cyrus. However, I still can’t see them taking him. Let’s say he is #15 but also their #20 guy is on the board and plays S, CB, or LB. I think they go with the other guy because they are in the same range. Not to mention, our offenses doesn’t have the needs it had last year.

          • Richard Colton

            In your scenario, yeah – I think they take the #20 guy as well.

      • anon

        They must not have been watching eagles ball for the last 3 years. Not having a D that can protect a lead is the worst.

    • cliff henny

      yup, the issue with talking safeties/defense is it’s not taking into account Eagles under Kelly are 60/40 offensive team. we eagles fans are used to the days of JJ, it’s tough to get that mindset changed. to win a Super Bowl, need a team identity, be great at it, and stay focused-cant be shifting gears every other year.

      • GEAGLE

        I think our offensive is 85% in place..time to build a D

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Yep. Cap-wise. PHI has the biggest Off/Def spending disparity

        • Andy124

          Didn’t know that, although it’s not surprising. Very interesting fact. Thanks for sharing.

        • thaGOAT

          Thats only because they’ve drafted some great players on offense who earned those big paydays. But they’ve been missing so bad with the defense, its no wonder those guys arent making the big bucks. The last 2 drafts have been much better defensively (Cox,Kendricks,Boykin,Logan,Wolff) so sooner or later you’ll see it balance out more.

          • aub32

            True. The offense is pretty much home grown with the exception of Peters and Mathis. Crazy to think that our QB and skill position players have all been Eagles their entire careers.

          • thaGOAT

            Yeah Andy Reid knows his skill positions, too bad he couldn’t coach the players he picked. Wasted some talent. I also liked Chip’s first draft, almost all the picks contributed, Of course Lane, Ertz, Logan all played solid as rookies. Wolff has good potential, Barkley may get us some draft picks in return. and hopefully we get those kind of results this year. (:

          • knighn

            Did Reid really know his skill positions?
            This is the guy behind the drafts of: Freddie Mitchell, Tony Hunt, Todd Pinkston, LJ Smith, Ryan Moats, Billy McMullen and Reggie Brown (and that’s just off the top of my head and the first three rounds – should I dig deeper?). I’m not convinced that any of those guys would have been that much better on any other team. In almost every case there was a better skill position-player available later in the draft. Did Reid hit on some players throughout his career? Sure he did, but I believe he ended up with many more misses than hits.
            This is just consistent with what I think about Reid: a very good coach with very big flaws that will keep him from ever being truly great.

          • aub32

            Every team is going to have some bad picks. Look at the Pats. SEA also has done poorly in the early rounds of the drafts.

          • thaGOAT

            Of course man I know he had plenty of misses but he made up for it with deep playoff runs, sadly all ended in heartbreak, losing to teams we should’ve beat but Reid was consistant those days. That 2004 Eagles team should’ve won the superbowl. In 2010 Akers missed two field goals vs the eventual Superbowl champ Packers and the Eagles lost by 5, He truely failed in the 2010/2011 drafts, Like you said very good coach with very big flaws.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            sure. but I’m not talking about the future; the data is for the ’13 year.

      • anon

        To win a SB you need a great pass rush — one thing we don’t have and i don’t know if we can get this offseason. That’s the thing that would have me worried as a GM, not safety play.

        • Maggie

          what I can’t get over is this McShay person stating that OLB and safety can wait. The Eagles need corners??!!?? What’s more, a corner who’s not that good??!!??

    • thaGOAT

      That would be terrible logic, look at what happened to the Broncos. The Eagles offense also struggled vs the Saints until they lost their best corner. I’ve said it since Chip first got here, He was going to build his offense with that first draft, and im expecting him to go heavy on defense with this years draft. I also really miss the days of the Jim Johnson defense and would love to see something that great once more in Eagle green.

      • Robert Baer

        It’s a cold-war-style arms race. Build an offense to beat the best defenses, and work on your own defense as priority #2 etc :)
        —edit—
        I would *love* to have a dominant defense to go along with the offense. But I don’t think we really need that just yet to win the superbowl. It sure would help though :)

        • Richard Colton

          Upvoting the Cold War reference. Bonus if you can somehow work Putin and the Ukraine crisis into your next post.

          • Robert Baer

            Ok, here goes. Chip Kelly is our Putin to the NFL (Ukraine). He has examined the superpowers (Broncos, Seahawks, Patriots, etc) and has deemed them incapable of stopping his offense. So in essence, Chip Kelly is Putin points on the board while the NFL’s defense is offensive.

          • Maggie

            Cute pun.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            in that case, why even bother signing Bryd or Ward? Let some other team guarantee him money, then just kidnap him and annex his playing rights day before season. Howie can pull the Putin press conference- those weren’t our fans seen in the kelly green ninja suits, and we have no official ties to anyone named “geagle”.
            Send in our OL if things get testy.

          • Richard Colton

            Amazing – the midnight green balaclavas were a great touch.

      • Maggie

        Defensive players who smash offensive players often get penalized nowadays. Although if it can be done like the Seahawks did it, without taking a single unnecessary roughness in the Super Bowl, then let’s go.

    • morgan c

      Perhaps. I hope, however, that the brain trust sees what Seattle just did to Denver and concludes that they simply cannot rely on all-offense to win consistently. I am not getting into an offense vs defense argument, but it’s going to be hard for Foles and company, as good as they are, to put up 35 plus consistently. Against the good teams, they just won’t be able to.

  • GEAGLE

    The Dolphins are showing “Real Interest” in Byrd
    ..,
    Jets,Lions and Broncos showing interest in Ward.. Sorry, but if the friggin Super Bowl runner up has cap space for Tj Ward. Then I don’t wanna friggin hear how we can’t afford him…

    I know #TeamPANIC is in full effect, but I find it promising that you aren’t hearing Eagles linked to any safeties but Mitchell. Howie vs. Dan Snyder, who will get up and walk away from the table refusing to over pay first? Get Real,Mitchell is a redskin, Snyder has no discapline, and Howie won’t be frivolously outbidding and overpaying for average at best talent…Mtchell and Talib will be skins…

    If the Eagles were taking a serious run at Byrd/Ward, we would never never never be hearing about it now, so I’m kind of excited that we aren’t being rumored to be talking to anyone..if the Mitchell rumors are true! I have to believe he would be the second safety we sign not the first! he just isn’t very good! unless you are a Tom LAwlor! Dave Spadaro Eagles mouth piece..

    no news is good news people, even if it’s frustrating,
    ..
    The GUARENTEED money is the Key.

    • tball_man

      The mouthpiece comment is unneccessary. I get your excitement but jeez.

      • GEAGLE

        Why, not exactly some ridiculously disrespectful and rude comment…but if your opinions are skewed by other agendas, I think mouth piece is a fair label…..how the hell can anyone really argue that I guy like Spadaro isn’t a mouth piece? I think Toms voice changed drastically since he been writing for PE, compared to pre eagles gig Tom….that doesn’t make him a bad guy, that doesn’t make him dumb, it just means he has an eye on protecting his investment(eagles gig) and I don’t see how I could blame him…but you can’t expect me to not take some things with a grain of salt..Tom is one of the people who write about the eagles that I Genuinly respect the most, but when it comes time to eagkes roster decisions! I take it with a grain of salt is all, don’t really see what’s wrong with that….as for Spadaro, sorry. I have NO RESPECT for him..a monkey could do what he does, and he is nothing but an eagles mouth piece…if you stick up for Spadaro then the only conclusion I can reach is that you are his mother

        • tball_man

          I think TLawlor is the essential pragmatist when it comes to Free Agency. Roster decisions are money decisions in large part, when we are talking FA. There’s really nothing I dislike more than any commentary regarding a player’s worth. Those are Howie and Gamble (to a lesser part) decisions. Chip can scream from the top of all the mountains in the world and STILL not get who he wants. He emphatically stated in one of his press conferences that there is no Safety tree to pick from. The ludicrious 48 hr period of 2011 FA (after a Lockout mind you) has distorted expectations across the board. TLawlor tempers that. Look the last thread had over 1000 comments of NOTHINGNESS. Goodell has us hooked.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, have you not seen Lawlors all out Mike Mitchell campaign when there are 15 better safeties to be had?

          • tball_man

            I think he stated he had good numbers, and would represent good value. We will get a safety (prob two) who wants to come here and WIN.Bboth top safetys are coming from horrendously run teams. I suspect atleast one of them will sign with a , bar minimum…. Is that Denver, us or GB. I will never forget the disgust I built up for Peppers when he was a FA leaving Carolina. We didn’t get a sniff from him with all of the cap space in the world that was created to make a run at him. He showed no interest in coming here.

        • anon

          You can’t bite the hand that feeds you

          • GEAGLE

            No one feeds me pal, I watch film for myself, come up with my own opinions and I don’t need them validated by anyone…no one feeds me quotes because if I care about the subject! odds are I already watched the interview in it’s entirety where the quotes are coming from….for the 15th time, LAwlor is actually one of the very few people who’s opinions I actually respect! but I have NO RESPECT for this mitchell crap…it’s the equivalent of if 365days ago, someone were talking up Chung, I don’t care if it’s LAwlor,Kapadia, Howie Roseman or my own mother, I woulda called BS on Chung. Just like I’m calling BS on Mitchell
            ….
            Sorry you can respect Bunting without even trying for better, but it’s time we swing for the fences and put a 5year problem to bed, and I don’t give a crap with disagrees or not…

            And when Mike Motchell is an redskin and not an eagle, let’s see what Tom says then, bet other safeties start looking so much better to him then…
            ..,
            You simply can’t tell me someone pumping up average at best player, without even mentioning the FACT that he misses one out of every 5 tackles is an opinion I should be respecting…you can’t tell me that talking about Ward as if he is Bernard pollard is an opinion I should be respecting. Not when I took the damn time to go back and watch 10 of the bum ass browns games! Sorry

          • GEAGLE

            I can respect without being a blind sheep, mindless follower. You can be a brilliant football mind, doesn’t make you infallible. And it doesn’t mean I should always bow down and not trust my own opinion of something I took the time to see for myself…if I’m going to be wrong about a player! it’s going to be my opinion! not me parroting someone else’s wrong opinion

          • Maggie

            It’s okay, anon. Some of us realize that your reference to biting the hand actually was not speaking about the great godlike being at the centre of the universe. The great all-knowing all-powerful Geagle. All the rest of us, of course, are unimportant “dopes”.

    • oreofestar

      We have the same amount of space as the Broncos cept they have to give extensions to the Thomas’ and they have way more FA than us

      • GEAGLE

        I think broncos are losing more key players that they have to replace then us no?

        • oreofestar

          After Donnie we literally have no free agents we need to resign

          • GEAGLE

            No free agents to re sign, and not a single starting position to fill but safety

  • GEAGLE

    The GUARENTEED money is key. We handed out 30mil in Guarentees last year, which isn’t chump change, so I’m not sure why the media keeps talking like we went shopping in a bargain bin..

    The projected Cap increase seem to have inflated this market. I doubt Howie ever thought that a kid who never started was going to get 20mil in guarentees(Everson Griffin)…last years CBs were signing for 6mil per, this year it’s inflated to 8-10m…the hope is Howie sees the new inflated market parameters and he rises his walk away numbers…in this NEW market, if you ain’t willing to drop 20mil in Guarentees, you might as well go take a vacation and not even participate. I’m sure Howie sees it, and will be forced to alter his philosophy so we can get some quality help…

    • Joe from Easton

      I’ve been trying to say this. I continue to see people saying that with the cap increase we can do more, get foles “for free” next year, etc… As the cap goes up, salaries go up; plain and simple. If the cap were 133 two years ago then Flacco would’ve gotten 22-24 mil a year instead of 20 mil and so on.

  • GEAGLE

    Woke up today feeling real good about Byrd Ward, not really sure why

    • Threagles

      G, the local guys have reported that the Eagles and Jones are working on a deal that will be announced after the signing period begins. He wants to come back, and the Eagles want him back. No worries there.

      • GEAGLE

        Thanks, but I was never worried..he woulda been franchised if there was a chance we couldn’t get him to agree to the type of extension we will be offering him…just like seeing his agent keep his word and not be negotiating with other teams

    • oreofestar

      I felt the opposite I woke up getting worried again

      • cliff henny

        ha, no sense in wasting time. coffee, bathroom, brush teeth…PANIC!

        • oreofestar

          pretty much well hopefully tomorrow I realize all of the panic was for nothin and we got Byrd

          • GEAGLE

            I was team panic yesterday, today I’m way more team chill but it’s still early lol

          • oreofestar

            I can not leave team panic til we get Byrd or Ward

          • Maggie

            And if “we” get neither?

          • oreofestar

            I will continue to panic

      • GEAGLE

        Figure, if the dolphins are interested in byrd(it’s not like he is rumored to be talking to 20 teams), we have to have a shot at him no? They are giving a FAT contract to Grimes and Brandon Albert, after giving Mike Wallace a mega Deal last year and paying Ellerbee handsomly..Cameron Wake gets PAID…they still have two DTs to replace…
        ..
        Only teams hearing about talks with Ward are broncos!jets and Lions…I really don’t think the Lipns and Broncos would be talking to him, if there was some insane pricetag attached (although broncos have more cap then people think 25mil)
        ..
        We only have one stinking starting spot to fill, I don’t see how we could lose him to teams that have like 3-5 starting spots to still fill..but I’m sure some of that is wishful thinking on my part

        • oreofestar

          Well Broncos have a lot of FA and a couple huge extensions to give

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly,,,extensions to hand out, and starting free agents to replace..we only have one friggin starting position to fill. How the hell can we lose him to Denver of all teams?

          • Token

            Some teams are truly out to win titles. Some are out to win cap bowls.

          • cliff henny

            Denver has 2 yr window with P Manning. think there’s little Eagles can do to overtake Seattle or SF in ’14. hopefully get to solid 3rd and close gap. but by ’15, fully expecting 3 or 4 yr run at SBs. both Ward and Byrd would be great start.

          • Joe from Easton

            Call me crazy if you want, but if the Eagles sign Byrd and draft a corner (one who’s worth it) high then I think we’re already better than San Fran. Sure our defense won’t be better, but I don’t trust Kaep at all and they’re not getting any younger. Their window is closing quickly.

          • cliff henny

            cole/olb presser, if that’s solved quickly, maybe. and Foles. ’14 is really all about Nick, is he 15m/yr guy or JAG. Eagles have come a long LONG way in 12 short months, do think they are a draft and seasoning ’12 and ’13′s class 1 more yr away. but, i’ll never argue lightning in a bottle theory, could get hot.

          • Joe from Easton

            The pragmatist in me certainly agrees. I think I’m just a San Fran hater. I remember when the Eagles were destroying them until the “Ronnie Brown Incident”. That play seemed to start the run that turned them into perennial contenders. They were 2-1 coming into that game with a win over the Seahawks (eventually 7-9) and the stinkin’ cowboys. We were crushing them, and then gave them life and they went on to win 10 of 12 games after that. Maybe they would have anyway, but I’ve never respected them since, for whatever reason I guess. I always felt like they were a dollar short of a value meal if you will and I was always happy to watch them get beat, especially after Kaep got the reigns.

          • cliff henny

            SF is getting older, and despite abundance of picks last couple yrs, haven’t been doing a great job of restocking. it takes a while to build up talent level to compete for SBs. doesn’t happen overnight-previous season records can be misleading. both SF and Seattle were stockpiling for awhile, then got final pieces and it’s popped for them. Ravens were solid, Flacco went nutz. i’d love a SB any year, just think eagles are a year away. none of this means they shouldn’t sign ward or byrd.

          • Joe from Easton

            Ultimately you’re most likely right. I didn’t say they’d be better than Seattle this year. I just have little to no respect for San Fran so I like to think they’ll be better – or equal – to them and compete for a spot in the NFCCG. Honestly, I don’t see a team in the NFC that scares me much beyond Seattle.

            This is all of course with the thought in mind that the offense will be improved simply because of experience and that we’ll add some key defensive pieces.

          • oreofestar

            If we get Byrd I think we are immediately on San Fran’s level and at least in striking range of SEATTLE

          • cliff henny

            SF run at top will end here soon. get 3 or 4 yrs with a core group, then have to step back and reload. if they give keep 20m/per, and keep drafting this way, think Eagles can pass them by in’15. Seattle isn’t going anywhere for awhile.

          • Joe from Easton

            2011 was the start of it which is why I see this year as their last gasp with the current roster. Boldin is getting old, so is Davis. I don’t believe Crab is a legit number one. The inconvenient truth doesn’t have much gas left in the tank and what is Bowman going to be like this year? The “other smith” is in his mid thirties now as well. I’m just really not sold on them. I think their best chance was against Baltimore and minus the lights going out they got smashed in that game.

          • Richard Colton

            Cliff – I have San Fran as my surprise team to finish with less than 6 wins. I see the wheels coming off that franchise, between Kaep’s insane contract demands, the total lack of leadership on offense, and the stories about Harbough…

            Put it this way. There is nobody in the NFC West who scares me as a Superbowl threat next year.

          • Joe from Easton

            Early I know, but who do you see as your legit title contenders in the NFC (three team limit to keep the discussion fun, haha)?

          • Richard Colton

            Eagles (because I’m a fan, and my heart’s in charge), Green Bay, New Orleans

          • Joe from Easton

            Those would’ve been my three as well. Dark horse for me is Atlanta having a bounce back year.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Same. I think CHI improves (Trestman fan, need some OL help but they’re pretty solid on O, obviously worse D condition than us). I think DET, CAR, and ATL are overrated. MIN, TB not there yet. STL and ARI are unsettled at QB. And the NFCE just makes me laugh

          • Maggie

            There has been mention of San Fran aging. Could this phenomenon possibly apply to the Saints as well?

          • Richard Colton

            Yea. Like the way they’ve retooled though. Plus they have Peyton and Drew. I won’t count out a great coach/QB combo. It can cover up a lot of deficiencies.

          • cliff henny

            age and injuries, yup, just never know. look at Atlanta. wouldn’t shock me to see a bounce back yr from them, they had a ton of talent on sidelines last year

          • Richard Colton

            Would have included them as well, but Joe limited me to three (jerk)

          • Joe from Easton

            Have a sip of wine and relax, Dick.

          • Richard Colton

            almost early enough for that

          • Joe from Easton

            I enjoyed a nice, ripe Merlot last night with Fettucini and Meatballs. Too bad work won’t let me have a glass with the left overs for lunch today.

          • Richard Colton

            ours is a barbaric culture

          • Joe from Easton

            I need to move to Italy, or Spain.

          • Eagles4Life

            Lol not even Seattle? I don’t know, Rich. Healthy oline, probably drafting a TE that can run better than a 6 sec 40 now, defense still stacked, improved Russ. I’d still say the chips are in their favor.

          • Richard Colton

            Everything you say is correct. I’m trusting in the post-superbowl hangover. 9-7 & out in the first round.

            Let me ask it another way. When was the last time a defensive oriented team repeated as conference champs?

          • Maggie

            Oh, for a Steel Curtain.

          • Token

            Its unlikely Seattle is in the discussion this year. For whatever reason, most of the time its what happens after a SB win.

          • Joe from Easton

            SB Hangover. Not even Pete has a cure! I hope your right. That’s one less team standing in Foles’ n Co. way.

          • Token

            Who in the NFC is scary? SF isnt scary to me even. Older team. Kaep is the QB.

            Carolina? no.

            I still look at a team like the Packers.

            NFC is there for the taking.

          • Joe from Easton

            I was just about to say… I can see GB being a threat this year. They need to bolster their line a bit, but their running game is there and the defense should be healthier this year. Dom Capers creates turnovers and giving ARod extra possessions generally spells doom for an opponent. IF Chicago get’s hot at the right time they can beat a lot of teams as well. That’s a reach and a half though.

          • Maggie

            Yeah everybody hates Ronnie Brown, but, oddly, he has been a productive player both before AND after his brief stint as an Eagle. Maybe it has something to do with where he’s playing or who he is playing with?

          • Token

            loser mentality. Its up to the Eagles if they can compete or not.

            Generally the SB winner takes a step back. SF who knows. That offense is getting older and lacking weapons.

            The NFC is as wide open as you could want. The division is wide open right now.

            Banking on 3 years or more down the line is a bad way to go about this. Too many variables. And we saw in the NFC championship years just how not fun “contending” is. If you cant do what it takes to put yourself over the top your just twiddling thumbs hoping for the best.

            Remember that we will also have some bigger contracts by then. A more expensive QB. Eagles are in a great position to really go for it right now.

            Do you think Kelly is gonna win one after hes been coach for 4 or 5 years? Maybe. But its unlikely. Doesnt usually work out like that. The window in the next two years. After than it gets pretty cloudy.

          • cliff henny

            no it’s not, you are quick fix guy who has no idea how to build a team.

          • Token

            Im going out on a limb here and guessing you think the Eagles are master team builders. Id bet you thought they did a swell job in the Reid years “getting to the tournament” all those times.

            Unfortunately, the Eagles dont seem to have any better grasp on how to win a title than I do.

            Building through the draft is awesome. I wish we could do just that. Unfortunately we didnt draft very well in the past 5 or more years. You cant win a title with role players. You need impact guys sprinkled in. Its just how it goes.

            Since we have shown we cant draft too many all pro caliber players we have to sign them on the market.

            Even one of the best drafting teams in the league had to sign some key FAs to get over the top last year. But I guess they have no idea WTF they are doing either.

            quick fix lol. I just want my team to actually go for it. Not aim to build through the draft another 3 years and contend in 2021. Hard to be a quick fix guy when you are the fan of a team that has literally never won anything.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, saying signing byrd/ward and starting in ’15 expecting 3 or 4 yr run at super bowl is same as 2021 and not signing anyone. you and your negativity are masters at distorting posts.

          • Token

            How often do teams go on 4 year runs of truly being contenders? Doesnt seem like it happens all that often anymore. Most teams ascension to that level tends to happen within a 2-3 year span of time. Starting last season for us.

          • cliff henny

            nyg 2 sbx in 4 yrs. sf just reached 3 straight nfc title games. Balt was constant contenders, flacco went nutz won Sb, now are retolling, bet they’ll be back there soon enough. you think teams are 1hit wonders?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            See: NE, BAL, PIT mid-2000s, Indy during Peyton years (and by the looks of it the Luck years), GB

          • Token

            Maybe when the Eagles start drafting as well as those teams did we can talk about that scenario happening.

            Go back and look at what kinda core players those teams had drafted.

            How would ours compare?

            Right now everyone in that camp of drafting and waiting to compete for 3 years expects players like kendricks, Johnson, Ertz and Cox to carry a team to the SB. Howie is gonna have to do better than that if the draft only approach is what we are doing.

            We seem to be fine at getting building block type players. Not so great at getting the “get you over the top” type players. Hell Cox may have been on his way now hes in a scheme that neuters him. Hope he can adjust and dominate. Boykin one of the only potential impact players on D is stuck on the bench half the game.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Seeing as how we made the playoffs for about a decade, and are building/have most of a similar core now, I guess we’re all not just as depressed as you are.
            Biggest indicator of success? QB.

          • Token

            “Getting to the tournament” every year isnt my goal. That doesnt even get me all that excited at this point. Now lurie loves that. I want a title. Just getting to the playoffs is over rated. Been there done that.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            well, sorry, but there’s no cure for being spoiled. Half the fanbases would trade in a heartbeat. Getting to the tournament IS how you win the title, go ahead and think back to all the dominant #1 seeds who we knew from the start of the season were locks to get in/make the super bowl/win the super bowl.
            2013 was the last time I remember that happening in a decade, and that’s only because both teams/states were empowered by bring in legalized zones; a.k.a. last year’s Super Doobie Bowl.
            Guess you weren’t alive for the 90′s either. Sorry you just can’t be pleased. I’ve heard prozac is wonderful

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            ^ this this this

          • Eagles4Life

            I think it was a bit of hyperbole, but he’s not way off base with some of the things he’s saying. You really do need impact guys sprinkled in to have a shot. I don’t think we’re devoid of that on the offensive side of the ball, but our defense definitely is. With Cox now two-gapping, I don’t think there’s one guy that’s arguably “impact” other than maaaybe Barwin or Boykin and that’s a tough sell. They’re more in the mold of “great role player” imo.

          • Maggie

            How long did it take Lombardi to win? After that first one of course, he kept right on, with an occasional miss. Yes, yes, the game has changed.

          • Token

            good lord. Lets go back to leather helmets.

    • Joe from Easton

      Maybe it’s just the long wait that’s doing it, but I think Tim’s point is starting to concern me also. The guy doesn’t have blazing speed and has the type of injury that can be recurring. I’m leaning more towards pass than give him a mega-deal. Now, that’s not to say that if he can be had for a reasonable (reasonable in terms of the caliber player he is, of course) price then I wouldn’t pull the trigger. Maybe I’m just getting cold feet because we’re used to the other shoe dropping in Philly.

    • Eagles1018
      • GEAGLE

        You ain’t gotta convince me bro, I been bitching about this for two years…hopefully we will pull the trigger

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    You don’t need superstars at safety but you need a hell of a lot better players than the Eagles have had back there since Dawkins left. The best of the bunch was Quinten Mikell and they let him walk as well.

    I’ve always been more interested in TJ Ward than Byrd because he’s the better athlete. But Mitchell seems like a good option as well. Seems to me that Byrd has already played his best football and is only going to deteriorate with those bum feet. Plantar fasciitis is a chronic condition that doesn’t heal. You can only manage the pain. And it will only get worse with use and aging.

    Byrd should be avoided at any cost, let alone making him the highest paid safety in the game.

    • Maggie

      Agree on the feet.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    I can’t disagree more with T-Law regarding Mitchell. Sounds like the scouting report that convinced Davis to take him in the 2nd. No thanks.

    • JofreyRice

      and he sharpshoots Byrd’s tackling ability? This is cherrypicking at it’s finest.

    • D-Von Funk

      Say what you will about Mitchell, he’s better than any safety currently on on our roster, and that includes Wolff (showed some promise but the jury’s still out).

      People have to let go of the fact that Al “overdrafted” him. His production last year alone justifies the pick, IMO. There are plenty of players that have been drafted as high or higher than him that don’t put up the numbers he did last year in their entire careers. So what if he played behind one of the best front-sevens in the league? He still produced. Would Nate Allen have put up those numbers playing in that same defense? Or Chung? I’d say highly unlikely.

      Mitchell runs well and he hits like a truck. As such, I believe he has the ability to be an impact player, largely because of his ability to lay the wood. As Tommy stated, he’s an upgrade- and like Tommy- I’d be okay with the signing because of that.

      Don’t mistake this post as me advocating for Mitchell. His missed tackles numbers reported on the site earlier are a major concern to me. However, I do believe a lot of those can be attributed to him going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. It still doesn’t make it okay, though. I just think those of you that are expecting the Eagles to sign Byrd and/or Ward shouldn’t get your expectations too high. We could do worse than Mitchell is all I’m saying. We have done worse.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        “Don’t mistake this post as advocating…” did you read what you wrote?

        It’s a credit that we’re even calling the guy a “mid-tier” safety. Blech.

        • D-Von Funk

          I did read it. I wrote it. Do I think they should target Mike Mitchell? Not necessarily. Would I be OKAY with the signing? Yes. So long as it got Nate- but especially Chung off the field, and off the team, really. He’s an upgrade over our current safety crop. What don’t you understand about that? A slight upgrade? Perhaps. But an upgrade nonetheless.

          Say what you will, I watched Carolina quite a bit this past year, and his athleticism and physicality would add a dimension that we currently don’t have at safety. That’s the bottom line.

          • Richard Colton

            I see Mitchell vs. Chung as a false choice. Isn’t there another 2nd tier safety we can get at Mitchell prices?

          • Andy124

            Allen…

          • Richard Colton

            ehhh. if it’s a toss-up looks-wise between the two, I’ll go with the strange.

          • Andy124

            I do think there’s something to be said for continuity. I’d prefer Allen over other free agents who aren’t clear upgrades. That being said, how many of us are going to get emotional over “batting average” signings?

          • oreofestar

            I will get emotional :’(

          • Andy124

            It’s ok. The 24/7 community will be there for you. Well, the other guys. Not me. I’ll point and laugh.

          • D-Von Funk

            Continuity is important, I agree. Right now, if I had to guess, I would say Allen opens the season as one starter at safety. So the question is, who’s the other safety? Wolff is a wildcard at the moment.

          • Andy124

            Remember that Allen is an FA too. If Mitchell signs, Allen doesn’t. So Wolff would be playing either way. Plus, everyone’s a wildcard at some point. Can’t be afraid to roll with those guys.

          • GEAGLE

            NATE ALLEN IS GONE!!! If we were keeping him, the deal would have been done already,,there just is no way that we would like him. Want to keep him. Yet wait til fee agency starts and other people can make him offers…
            ..
            I knew Hinkie would take whatever the best offer were for ET and Hawes even if they were worth more then the offered compensation..why? Because we didn’t even try to get them to sign lowball offers..
            ..
            Byrd is good enough to where the bills been making offers that he keeps turning down. But the bills wanting him enough to still retain him on the open market….Nate is NOT so good that you have to outbid competition for him..”.and NATE DOES NOT have all this crazy negotiation leverage…if we WANTED NATE, he would be off the market already….I’m also not even sure Nate would want to stay here….I think 98% chance Nate won’t be an eagle next year

          • D-Von Funk

            That’s the thing, even if Nate does hit the open market, I’m not convinced we have to outbid anyone for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he quickly finds out there is no market for him. With so many college players declaring and so many veteran safeties hitting the market, I wouldn’t be surprised if Nate doesn’t get a sniff. Therefore, I think the Eagles view re-signing him as a contingency plan if all else fails.

          • Andy124

            I’ve acknowledged as much.

            The fact that they haven’t extended Allen is a pretty good indicator that he is gone.

            I also know that I have no idea what conversations have taken place bewtween Howie and Nate’s agent. For all I know the agent said we want to test FA. Howie said “Cool beans. I’ll talk to you on the 20th and see if we’re close on Nate’s market value.”.

            I still agree that the fact that Nate hasn’t been extended means the odds of him returning are low. I just don’t like to make any hardline predictions, so you’ll see posts from me exploring that alternatives.

          • GEAGLE

            So can you explain why we haven’t extended Nate yet since we could have done so any time we wanted this past month? You think we want to keep Nate but we are just waiting for other teams to drive up the price so we can pay more for him? You sure about that?….try again

          • Andy124

            I think this actually leads to the best case I can make for Mitchell. The fact that they haven’t extended Allen is a pretty good indicator that he is gone.

            So, accepting that Allen is off the table and that the Eagles do not want to invest heavily in a player they didn’t draft, we WILL sign a starting safety because there’s no way Howie is going in to the draft HAVING to draft a safety.

            I’m convinced that the Eagles right now are putting more emphasis on players’ physical attributes than in the past and banking on being able to turn those tools in to production. It sounds like Mitchell has the best set of those physical attributes, which could easily make him the most attractive target to the Eagles. I do worry that they may be putting too much emphasis on the “tools” part of player evaluation, but they absolutely have the benefit of the doubt back for that.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d take a 1 legged Stevie Brown over tools. Mitchell had production as the weakest link on a very strong chain. I’m not paying that link good $

            If the assumption is the rest of the defense will grow stronger elsewhere, would Allen not have a similar situation as Mitchell last year?

            As far as re-signing him goes, I think it has more to do with trying to get Byrd/Ward. If one comes in, Allen and Chung are both gone. They may just want to see his market value. Then again, I doubt Allen wants to come back. I don’t even want him back. But moreso than this shiny, new mediocrity

          • Andy124

            Re: you first paragraph: I think that’s where we’re still getting to know the new regime. We had 14 years to get used to Andy and company. We’re still guessing pretty blindly with the new guys.

            It’s also easy to lose track of when we’re talking about what we think they should do vs. what we think they might do.

            My S plan would be Byrd>Ward>AllenEND.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I love the last sentence. But yes, agree with the rest. I just think the tools-rebuild project, and hope for anything beyond (at best) a #2 safety is when coaches heads get too big.

          • GEAGLE

            I simply don’t think we will ever see a case of the media reporting that we are hot on the trails of a certain player for like 3 days with that player actually ending up the real target…just don’t know Howie to operate that way. If after all the Mitchell reports, we actually sign him, then I would expect another shoe to drop and a major signing being announced…
            ..
            But if I could bet money on it, I would bet we don’t sign Mitchell..he just isn’t Good enough for Howie to keep outbidding Snyders offers…Snyder is the dumb one who will outbid, not stick to his walk away numbers, and end up paying way more then he should for a player, that’s not Howie…
            ..
            No one reporting interest in Jenkins, if we actually do like Mitch! we won’t like him SOOO much more then the other options in his price range that would make us drastically overpay for him instead of setting our sites on a different safety

          • D-Von Funk

            You’re assuming there will be interest in him on the open market. With so many FA safeties flooding the market, I don’t see it that way. I don’t think any team out there covets him more than us and I’m using the term “covet” here very loosely. As a result, I think the Eagles are of the mind that by letting him test free agency, then can actually bring him back at a cheaper price than if they re-upped beforehand. You know, the whole, “…the grass isn’t always greener” mentality. Food for thought.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d go the exact opposite- the familiar
            I’ve had enough of OAK secondary castoffs, thank you very much

          • Richard Colton

            That’s how I feel about Guards from Baylor, even though we may wind up with one in May.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I don’t see it. Can’t imagine he’s BUA/BPA available by the time we pick at any of the first 4 rounds. I think they’re high on Herremans and Barbre, maybe even Kelly, and there are just too many good interior OL who are going to fall (and too many other position groups worth upgrading early). Vastly underrated how deep that group is this year. I can see getting a guy in 5th or 6th who could even compete to start out of the gates, like Kelce.

          • Richard Colton

            Could fall that way. Depends on how they have them rated. I don’t see the big kid from Baylor being that high on their board. I do think Guard Su’a Filo would look great in Eagle Green. He’s there at #54, I think he’s in the conversation.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            He’s literally the only interior OL I’d consider before the 5th.

          • Richard Colton

            The only one I would add is Zac Martin, should he drop to #22 – only because he could be our RT of the future or just a dominant interior guy. Not to mention our first backup at 4 spots.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I like him a lot too, but Fua at 54 vs. Martin at 22 is better value to me; plus, at 22, there are probably better BUA/BPA upgrades than Martin. With Peters signed, I wouldn’t be excited about a 1st rd guy sitting on the bench his first year. I was only counting interior OL, think Martin as you said can be a good RT, but so can guys in the 4th/5th rd. I’d want my 1st rd OT/OL pick to be dominant and starting day 1.

          • philliesfan136

            I would rather have a training camp blocking sled, with Jairus Byrd’s jersey on it playing safety, instead of Allen or Chung.

          • D-Von Funk

            I don’t disagree with this. My point is this: who knows how Howie and co. have Mitchell rated. It doesn’t matter what each of us thinks. For all we know he is their top target. I hope he isn’t. BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, if it came down to Mitchell or Chung, I’d pick Mitchell.

          • Andy124

            The good news is that I think 95% of the board would take Mitchell over Chung.

            *Geagle has good reasons to still have some faith in the Chunger, but no matter how much his play was affected by his shoulder, I’m left with serious doubts about his ability to stay healthy.

          • philliesfan136

            But the issue is …… they don’t have to choose, between Allen, Chung or Mitchell.

      • JofreyRice

        So it doesn’t matter that he played behind one of the best fronts in football, or that he was literally the worst tackling safety in the league, the “production alone” justifies signing him? What do you think determines his production? We should just look at the picks and sacks and ignore the other warts?

        My main beef here is priority. Why make signing this guy a priority? I can’t even honestly concede that he’s better than Nate Allen, and I hate Nate Allen. Like I said, I would be OK if this were the guy we were adding to compete with Wolff after seriously addressing the other spot, but bringing this guy in as “the answer” is a joke.

        • D-Von Funk

          Where did I say he should be a priority? Where did I say he was the “answer?” I didn’t say either. In fact, I went out of my way not to say either of those things. I said the missed tackles were my major concern. I referenced his outstanding front-seven. He produced game-changing plays (INTs, sacks). I’d be willing to bet Allen and/or Chung don’t put up those numbers even behind that same front-seven, but that’s not really the point I was trying to make.

          • Token

            I cant remember ever thinking about a safety in terms of sacks.

            Tommy Lawlor changing opinions already. Eagles do know how to groom a fan base. Masters of it.

          • D-Von Funk

            I don’t care how you think about a safety. If we can generate additional sacks why does it matter where it comes from. I was just saying a sack is an impact play. Nowhere did I say our safeties need to produce more sacks.

            Tommy didn’t need to change my opinion. I watch a lot football. I watch teams other than the Eagles, too. I go off of what I see. I could care less if people agree with me or not.

          • Andy124

            I really don’t think anybody else is looking specifically for upgrades over Chung. The assumption is that he’s as good as gone or at least benched (barring drastically improved play due to health). So people are concerned with upgrading our starting safeties, who today would be pencilled in as Allen and Wolff.

            Pointing out that he’s an upgrade over Chung really does not address whether or not he upgrades our starters. If we were talking about signing him as a depth player, that’d be fine. But he’s clearly being looked at as a day-1 starter. And while I certainly wouldn’t get worked up over it, and in fact, I’d get myself hopeful that we could benefit from the “tools” type player, I’d prefer those resources of cap and playing time go to Allen and Wolff.

          • D-Von Funk

            I would HOPE Allen and Wolff are atop the depth chart as it currently stands. And I do think Wolff has the makings of a good safety. I’m just hesitant to rely too heavily on him at this point given the somewhat odd injury circumstances around him last season.

            Ideally, I’d like Wolff to forge a major role on special teams, gain some more seasoning, be a key contributor there, and ultimately serve as our third safety (but still see the field in certain packages). That’s what I thought his role should have been last year before he was pressed into action. Keep in mind, this is all assuming that Chung is gone/upgraded. Now if Allen is indeed back and Wolff beats him out I’m fine with that, too, I’m just not putting all of my eggs in that basket.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            He may have been “pressed into action” by Chung’s suckiness, but he clearly showed he can play. And that was for a 5th rd rookie starting halfway through his season. Imagine a whole offseason, familiar with the defense (the hard part for Safety). This isn’t David Sims we’re talking about.

            Clemons, Mitchell, Jenkins….these guys all are mediocre at best. Just new, fresh names. If we’re talking about signing mediocre at best, give me Allen. But don’t sign 2 mediocre guys and assume, with Wolff, the cream will rise to the top.

            More importantly, I can’t even believe we’re talking about this. The whole point of being a good team and swimming in cap room is to have the opportunity to sign that big FA need. Otherwise, you’re in cap hell or signing big FA’s just to sell tix every year- CLE, JAX, WAS

            And what do we know? 2 of the Top 5 safeties in football available. Our weakest position. The White Whale.

            If somehow our only upgrade is Allen or Chung to Mitchell, there is no silver lining. 2 options:
            1) Either Byrd or Ward
            2) re-sign Allen, send Geagle to kidnap Chung and drop him off in the midwest somewhere, and draft at least 2 DBs and pray the pass rush gets home

          • D-Von Funk

            FINALLY! Real discussion. Okay, I’m a believer in Wolff. I think his upside is tremendous and certainly greater than that of Clemons, Jenkins (who I actually think has declined quite a bit), Mitchell, or any of those other “mid-tier” guys. He’s the most gifted safety on our roster, no question.

            You’ll have to admit though, the circumstances following his injury were a little strange. Who’s to say that that whole situation didn’t impact the coaches opinions on him in some way? Maybe it was nothing. Maybe all of the talk was overblown. That’s my hope. But that’s really the only thing that gives me pause about him heading into the season.

            I could live with him and Allen starting, so long as Chung doesn’t sniff the field. It’s not my ideal scenario, however. Ideally we’d upgrade Allen too.

            Yes, we have the means to land Ward or Byrd (and the Oregon connection), I just personally don’t see it happening. The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that they’ve swung and missed on so many safeties over the years, you have to believe Howie and co. want to go after a “sure thing,” once and for all.

          • Eagles4Life

            EXACTLY. I really don’t know why people are even entertaining doing something other than this. Our team wasn’t elite pass rushing, so what makes folks think we are all of a sudden going to bring two players in who are only marginally better in coverage, one of which who was worse in tackling, and our problems will be solved?!

          • Maggie

            It’s unfortunate, but even on this site, there are some who 1. don’t like newcomers, and 2. hate anybody who disagrees with them. It is quite all right if you want to offer an opinion. Whether about safeties or tackling or any other topic. There are those who sign on here and talk about basketball or sailing or weather or beer, so welcome. Your proper use of the English language is appreciated too.

          • philliesfan136

            New salary cap trophy, ” The Lurie trophy. “

          • Andy124

            Still on the “Lurie is cheap” thing?

          • RIP illa

            Yeah I don’t get the cheap argument concerning the organization. They just spend money really inefficiently sometimes and then sometimes let there “frugalness” get in their way. It’s like we can’t totally escape the “Smartest Guy In The Room” stigma. It was labeled as a Reid thing, but we see that it goes much deeper within the organization.

          • GEAGLE

            We handed out 30mil in Guarentees last year, and the media thinks we didn’t spend money lol…

            If we hand out 30mil in Guarentees again, then I expect us to be a happy fanbase with something like Ward,Jenkins and Carrington

          • Maggie

            Maybe it’s the same guy who used to be on philly.com bitterly complaining if Lurie made a profit from his businesses. Also seemed to think that every time the Eagles business sold a ticket that the money went directly into Lurie’s pocket. What a twit. And it’s only a billionaire who can even afford to buy a franchise anyway. The guy must be barely past 14 years old or so.

          • Richard Colton

            dude…is it 2011 where you live? Don’t get the FO or ownership hate right now. Two decent drafts and zero games missed due to draft pick hold-outs in Lurie’s tenure as owner.

            Plenty of ownership groups to bash in this town – Lurie isn’t one of them.

          • RIP illa

            He may have intended it as slight, but there is truth to it. I think it can be taken both ways. We do win the Salary Cap Bowl more often than not. And that’s a real good thing about this organization. But sometimes the question needs to be asked…To what end? Plenty of times we stock up and just seem like we’re hoarding cap money. It doesn’t seem all that upfront, cuz we still got 2011 in our minds, but this isn’t the 1st time where it seems like we’re just sitting on cap space w/o seriously going after top talent. So we’ll just have to wait and see what the payoff will be, if any, and if so will it be worthwhile. We can take a little solace that we have spent correctly before, in 2004, after winning the Cap Bowl for years before.

          • Richard Colton

            Its a fair criticism, but not of Lurie. The guy has hired three coaches in 14 years. The first two won COTY and Chip looks like a lock to make it 3-for-3. The front office looks like it has learned from its 2011 mistakes. The franchise has had a winning record.

            If your rubric for good ownership is “how many championships?” then yes. Eagles have bad, cheap owners and the Phillies have great ownership. For me – I see Lurie as the Anti-guyfromfrance. He’s done everything short of suiting up to put the Eagles in a position to contend.

          • Andy124

            Anybody ripping Lurie either doesn’t remember Braman or just has unreasonable standards.

          • JofreyRice

            Roman Harper had a bunch of sacks. He sucks.

          • JofreyRice

            what point are you trying to make? It seems like you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. “His production is great, and he’s better than anyone on the roster, but I’m not saying the Eagles should sign him, just that I agree with it”. You’re muddling your message here.

          • D-Von Funk

            No, not really. As of now, he would be the best safety on our team IF he was the only addition we made. That’s all I’m saying.

            I think Wolff has shown promise, but I haven’t seen enough yet to be sure.

            Allen improved immensely as the season wore on, but even then he’s only adequate. Chung is awful.

          • JofreyRice

            Ok, let’s walk through this. You think he’d be the best safety on our team, and agree with the Eagles signing him to improve the secondary. The Eagles are currently one of two teams in hot pursuit of Mitchell during the legal tampering period–the earliest available time to start negotiating with free agents. That connection means you don’t need to explicitly state it, you are implicitly supporting their decision to prioritze Mitchell as “the answer” for the problems in the secondary.

            I agree with you in regards to Allen and Chung, but their crapulence doesn’t make Mitchell any better.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            glad you could walk through that. I just ran the other direction.

          • D-Von Funk

            I- like all Eagle fans- am prioritizing the upgrading of our safety position, by any means necessary. As it relates to that, I think removing Chung- from the field, and from the team- should be a priority. IF the addition of Mitchell accomplishes those, and I think it would, then I would be in support of that move.

            That doesn’t have to mean I think the Eagles should make him- specifically- a priority. There a ton of safeties I think should be a higher priority to the Eagles than Mitchell. That doesn’t change the fact that I believe he would be an upgrade. And quite frankly, I don’t realistically see some of those higher priority safeties winding up here, especially not Byrd or Ward (sorry guys and gals).

            I can’t be the only person that gets that, can I? Even if that is the case, I’ve enjoyed this debate immensely.

          • Eagles4Life

            I’d be willing to take that bet lol. That front seven is something serious and it cannot be overstated.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            same. That was a tremendous front. CAR secondary is awful, and I want no part of it.

          • Eagles4Life

            Exactly. On the rare occasions that people got that front seven blocked up, that secondary was getting cooked.

    • philliesfan136

      Don’t blame Tommy Lawlor …… Spadaro and the Eagles tell him what to write. It’s not his fault.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        do you only read him on PE .com? He maintains 3 of his own sites outside of that, with his personal content. Don’t confuse him with Spuds

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Tuesday will be time for teams to make trades. we will see if any of the past stories have any legs as far as trades. Vinny.Graham.and Djack. all mentioned before. I think those guys could land a nice player back. i.e. Jordan..

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt it,,,,think the trade season will be close to the draft then tomorrow

    • Joe from Easton

      DJack is not going anywhere. Trade him and WR goes from a premium position to a position of need overnight. I’m open to dropping Graham, but I’d like to see them keep Curry. I get the whole scheme fit thing though.

    • Richard Colton

      Howie trading Desean for Dion seems about as likely as us drafting Johnny Football. Between the 10Million Jackson makes plus the salary cap hit from trading Jordan, they’d lose all their flexibility. Plus they need, you know, an entire offensive line.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        didn’t believe I mentioned trading desean for dion. but thanks

        • Andy124

          That’s definitely one valid interpretation of your post.

          I think those guys could land a nice player back. i.e. Jordan..

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            I mentioned Jordan. okay. because he was one player suggested in a trade. u follow so far. and the others were suggested as well in other posts. maybe not for each other. but im sure you cant follow that part. maybe I should put out a 300 word post for those who don’t understand

          • Andy124

            Well that was unecessarily rude to someone trying to help you see why Rich read your post the way he did.

          • GEAGLE

            Jabaal Sheard is a sleeper trade target, although his expiring contract complicates things..still pissed we didn’t trade for him the moment the browns drafted Mingo

        • Richard Colton

          No problem Brent – it was “i.e.” instead of “e.g.” that threw me off your intent.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            got me there. you might be right..idk

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        im just sayin a lot of money tied up in that WR group. when needs still need to be met on d. im fine with getting rid of desean. yeah I said it. market and his play couldn’t be better for him

  • Token

    Well, Lawlor is in full Mitchell blowing mode. Sounds like hes gonna be a Eagle. Guy is just another Spadaro.

    Love how he fails to mention that it doesnt get much worse when it comes to tackling.

    “How many times over the years have we seen a player drop an INT or whiff on a sack attempt? Too much.” How about whiffing on a tackle?

    Who gives a crap about how many sacks a safety has? WTF kind of metric is that to measure the position? Really grasping.

    If its not Byrd and its not Ward id just rather them not sign a safety. Just sign depth players. Dont waste time and resources on sub par starters.

    • GEAGLE

      Fortunately Dan Snyder will just keep bidding and bidding til Mitchell is a skin, ATleast I hope

      • Dominik

        Maybe that’s Howies masterplan all the way? Be the ultimate troll to Dan Snyder. :D

        • Andy124

          That would be glorious. Especially when he writes a tell-all book about it.

          • philliesfan136

            Yes, …… it would be titled, ” How i kissed ass to the top. “

          • knighn

            Irony: when a Phillies fan criticizes any GM not named Ruben Amaro Jr.

    • Ark87

      I’d rather bring back Allen, draft some guys, play the ole continuity and competition card again, if we can’t get a difference maker. Mid tier safeties that benefited from good defenses? Yeeeaaaah no. Not that they’d all turn out like Chung, but why bother.

    • JofreyRice

      It’s really amazing to me that they would target MItchell and Jenkins, considering what a trainwreck Chung was. Taking Bill Belichick’s trash wasn’t enough? You want Al Davis’, now too?

      Does everyone know how bad these guys are at tackling? One miss every for every 2.5 tackles for Mitchell. One miss every 3.3 attempts for Jenkins. Add either one of these numbskulls to a defense where Kendricks is missing 20+ and DeMeco is missing around 15, and what chance does the D have to be better, as a group? Compare that to Byrd, who misses 1 for every 10 made, or Ward, who misses 1 for every 7 made.

      I wouldn’t hate Mitchell as a flyer to bring in and push Wolff, but to have him as your #1 target the minute free agency starts is stupid. The guy is just not that good.

      • Token

        I cant say I get it.

        I just have to think they are being stealth and Byrd will be signed 5 minutes after FA opens.

        • JofreyRice

          They are literally the two worst tackling safeties in the league. Bar none. Mitchell’s #1, Jenkins is #2. Worst tackle/miss/stop ratios. Jenkins just barely edges Brandon Mereweather. And they are the two main targets the Eagles are going after. Horrid!

          I hope you are right about Byrd. It gives me a weird sense of encouragement that we haven’t heard a peep about him. That’s their style.

          • Token

            Howie likes to tell agents to keep their mouth shut. Thats the only thing I can really cling to for another day. Until tomorrow when we sign Major Wright and Mitchell then Lawlor tells me what a great combo they are. Or how the Eagles did the smart thing getting two bums for the price of one Byrd.

          • philliesfan136

            Your killing me ……………… with TRUTH.

          • GEAGLE

            We aren’t signing Mitchell. I 100% believe that! I have no intel on Major tho…but I’m assuming he needs to sign a 1yr prove it deal because of the terrible year he put on film

          • oreofestar

            Byrd Byrd Byrd is the word *dances*

          • Token

            I was joking. At least I hope so.

          • philliesfan136

            Gold Standard …………….

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Just as I’ve said since his signing that sconces should be no better than our 4th CB (implying we bring in someone better, +fletch and boykin), I’d want Mitchell as no better than our 3rd or 4th safety. Put those tools on ST. Let Wolff, a stud FA, and a draft pick compete.

    • philliesfan136

      Tommy lawlor, is a ” TOKEN ” Spadaro.

      • Maggie

        Lawlor was giving an opinion, just like you.

    • ray888

      Who’sDave Spadaro?

      • Andy124

        A media/pr guy for the Eagles. Good guy.

    • Maggie

      I believe you have not posted once without the word ‘Byrd’ since Christmas, have you?

      • Token

        Maggie we get it, the Eagles rock!

  • Token

    “Report: Jairus Byrd looking for $9 million a season”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/10/report-jairus-byrd-looking-for-9-million-per-season/

    Get it done.

    • oreofestar

      PAY THAT MAN!!!

    • philliesfan136

      According to Tommy Lawlor, Dave Spadaro, Paul Domowich, Jeff mcLane and other assorted Eagles apologists, Byrd does not fit the Eagles scheme. ( really, they mean salary cap ” value ” board ) We need more Patrick Chungs, Kenny Phillips, Isaac Sopoaga’s and COW BELLS.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        unless they’re Lovett or Davis, no one is qualified to discuss the desired scheme of the defense.

        • GEAGLE

          well if last year was any indication, then TJ Ward is a perfect fit…not to mention we payed good money for Chung, and Ward is similar stylistically, he just happens to be much better then Chung in every area….Byrds fit IMO is way more debateable then wards

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I lean towards that belief as well. But at the right price, he’s still an upgrade no matter what. Can’t be discounted, no matter what rumors some of these awful writers think they’re breaking to us.

      • GEAGLE

        Byrd may not be a fit, but WARD is 1000% a fit. How do I know? Because he is literally everything we wish Chung would be…
        ,,,
        If you needed to get a stop on 3rd and 12, and we give up the underneath pass and need a safety to make a sure tackle short of the first down, which is how we played defense last year, there is no one you can count on to Torpedo a WR short of the first down more then Ward. NO ONE!

        He is a better Blitzer then Chung, he would take our run defense to that elite level making opponents one dimensional because they can’t run. He can backup Boykin in the Nickle, he is an excellent man to man cover safety,,,,everything we tried to do with Chung, Ward is PERFECT for and we ain’t finding anyone who does it better then him…

        I’m a major Jarius Byrd fan, I would sign him and not even think twice, but we can debate his fit in this defense, where as I don’t even think Wards fit with what we do is even debateable….have a feeling the Eagles will shock the world, steal Ward with 17mil in Guarentees, and sign Malcom Jenkins at 4yrs 16mil with 8 in guarentees

        • Eagles4Life

          I’m with you on Ward. After re-evaluating some film breakdowns, he excels at exactly what we had Chung doing. Wolf will improve, and I’m still on the Buchanon bus for the draft. We get those two added and we’re good.

      • Joe from Easton

        Kudos to the BOC reference. *Ting Ting Ting Ting*… I got a fever, and the only prescription, is MORE COW BELL.

      • Token

        Saying a deep safety doesnt fit a scheme is one of the dumbest things Ive heard. It fits any and all schemes. Having that ability is what a DC looks for. Makes everything easier.

    • Richard Colton

      How about 14 million in guaranteed money? No dead money in years three or four? But a contract that averages 9 per? Can we get that done Cliff?

      • oreofestar

        That would only work if we are going 4 year 36m with 14g but if we are going for a 5 year deal then he is gonna need more guaranteed money

  • Kev_H

    I don’t understand the writers buying the lines about high salaries and “overpaying” players compared to the players on the roster. It seems like a poorly thought out cover to be cheap. The cap goes up, the roster sizes stay the same, it’s a fact that salaries go up. Everyone’s better off and the guys under contract are mature enough to know that if all goes well, they’ll get theirs too. I appreciate that they value players being a good organizational fit and I think that’s crucial. But if the culture is right, the current players won’t want them to pass on a good fit who is a difference maker over money.

    It is largely overlooked now, but a catalyst that made the Phillies contenders is when they went out and overpaid for Freddy Garcia. It inspired Rollins to proclaim they were the team to beat. Garcia was a bust but his acquisition signalled that the brass were going to do what it took to give the team the best chance to win. I’m not sure it flies well in the locker room if they forego a chance to improve over $$$$.

  • Eagles4Life

    Ward & Wolff.

    • peteike

      Byrd, Pryor, Wolff

      • Eagles4Life

        Ward, Buchanon, Wolff lol

        • peteike

          ha, Ill take any of those

  • Chris Jones

    Roseman is so scared of 2011 it’s driving me crazy. I’m not asking to go out and put a dream team together again but for Christ sakes at least sign one of these veteran safeties (Byrd or ward). We have a big chunk of change to spend so what’s the problem with signing just one? Stop gap mid level guys are ok when there is nothing better but to even think of
    Bringing people like Bethea, Jenkins, or
    Mitchell in over those two with our cap surplus is just rediculous. Sign Byrd and
    Mitchell then draft Pryor, Dix or Gilbert and we are back in business.

  • LombardiTime

    I like this mid tier thinking for safety, with players like Mike Mitchell, Malcolm Jenkins, and Taylor Mays being available. We need consistency and depth on the back end of our D. I especially like Taylor Mays. He has range, can play near the box, and be an addition on special teams where he’s thrived. We might be able to sign all 3 for what Byrd would cost