Big People: Eight Potential Eagles DL Targets

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Defensive line is an under-the-radar need for the Eagles going into free agency and the draft.

Here’s what we know: The team really likes Fletcher Cox and Cedric Thornton as 3-4 defensive ends. It would be a surprise if they’re not two of the three starters going into 2014.




But there's a lot we don't know. For example, do the Eagles think Bennie Logan is the answer at nose tackle? There's no doubt they like Logan, but maybe he's more of a rotational guy who offers versatility and plays DT in sub packages.

There are more question marks with the backups. The Eagles want to rotate bodies up front, but they just didn't have enough talent to do a ton of that last season. It'll be a surprise if free agent Clifton Geathers returns. And Damion Square will have to battle for a roster spot next summer.

As we mentioned yesterday, it's no guarantee that Vinny Curry returns.

Keeping all that in mind, look for the Eagles to add bodies and competition up front in the coming months. The "big people beat up little people" motto is especially true on the defensive line.

When taking a look at the free agent list, here are eight names that caught my eye:

* Note: Ages refer to how old each will be at the start of the 2014 season.

Arthur Jones, Ravens (28) - He started 13 games last season and played 55.3 percent of the Ravens' snaps, per Pro Football Focus. Jones is 6-3, 315 and has long arms (35 1/4 inches). A key theme here will be positional versatility. That's something the Eagles' coaching staff values. Jones was good against the run last year and has 8.5 sacks in the past two seasons. According to The Baltimore Sun, he's expected to draw a lot of interest in free agency.

Linval Joseph, Giants (25) - Eagles fans should be plenty familiar with the 6-4, 323-pounder. He's started 46 games for the Giants over the past three seasons and been a productive player. Joseph played defensive tackle in New York's 4-3, but because of his size, he has some positional versatility. Johnson is not considered a great pass-rusher, but given his age and measurables, he could intrigue the Eagles.

Tyson Jackson, Chiefs (28) - The third overall pick in 2009 never turned into an impact player in Kansas City. But he has experience (55 starts) and size (6-4, 296) to play defensive end in a 3-4. If the Eagles took a look at Jackson, it would almost certainly be as a rotational player behind Cox and Thornton.

Paul Soliai, Dolphins (30) - Last year, the Eagles took a shot on a veteran nose tackle as a stop-gap option: Isaac Sopoaga. That didn't work out very well. Sopoaga played poorly and eventually was traded to the Patriots. But Soliai is considered to have more left in his tank at this point in his career. At 6-4, 340, he's a pure nose tackle who would come off the field in sub packages (Soliai played 48.1 percent of the snaps last year). The Eagles would prefer versatility, but if the price is right, they could look at Soliai as a big body inside against the run.

Terrence Cody, Ravens (26) - There are some other guys who would fill a similar role. One is Cody, the 6-4, 340-pound former second-round pick. He played 28.9 percent of the Ravens' defensive snaps last year and never turned into an impact player in Baltimore. But if the Eagles see potential and want a young, big-bodied nose tackle, Cody could be of interest.

Corey Wootton, Bears (27) - Here's an under-the-radar name for you. Wootton (6-6, 270) played in Chicago's 4-3, but GM Phil Emery told reporters earlier this offseason that he'd be a fit in a 3-4 as well.

"Corey is one of the guys that would transcend scheme," Emery said. "I was in a 3-4, a pure, straight 3-4 defense in Kansas City and he could have been the right end. If he put a little weight on, he could be the left end. He played under-tackle for us. Actually Corey was most disruptive as a pass rusher, between the d-end and d-tackle, at d-tackle this year."

Wootton had 10 sacks, six passes batted down and three forced fumbles the past two seasons. He had hip surgery in January and could be looking at a short-term deal without a lot of guaranteed money.

Alex Carrington, Bills (27) - Another guy who fits the age and size range. He only played in three games last year because of a quad injury, and Carrington (6-5, 301) is considered a rotational player. He would play 3-4 defensive end and potentially move inside on passing downs. Again, Carrington is unlikely to command a big paycheck. He was a third-round pick in 2010.

Al Woods, Steelers (27) - It's no secret that Billy Davis showed his defensive linemen film of the Steelers last year, so scheme familiarity would not be an issue with Woods. At 6-4, 307, he has some of the longest arms in the league (36 inches). Woods played both nose tackle and defensive end in the Steelers' 3-4 scheme. He's bounced around to three teams since the Bucs first drafted him in the fourth round of the 2010 draft out of LSU.

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  • sdk152

    This will be a first. I will be the first to comment on my own post. Before someone asks about Michael Bennett, I don’t see him landing here. His size and skill set fit, but he figures to command big money, and I don’t see that as a wise investment with Cox and Thornton already in the fold. -SK

    • Nailed it!

      Thank you for pointing that out for everyone. No need to over pay for a player that may not be a true #1 pass rusher!

    • Will

      I think NT is slightly more pressing than someone to rotate at the DE position.

      • RyGuy

        I couldn’t agree more. If they don’t address it in free agency, I really like what I saw out of Louis Nix III, DT from Notre Dame in the BCS Championship Game vs Alabama. Most people have him going top 20 in the draft. Mel Kiper has him going 15th to the Steelers, I believe. But if he falls to us somehow, I think it would be a great fit.

    • Tikkit

      Also, MB has had ONE year of decent production on the leagues best D. Makes you wonder how much is Bennetts ability and how much is that D pressure in general.

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          • George

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          • GEAGLE

            Welcome to the community, we are like a dysfunctional family at thanksgiving dinner

          • G_WallyHunter

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    • Andy

      Up vote for Kapadia firsting his own post!

  • Uncle Wonder

    I think the Cruzan kid Joseph will be too expensive as well…

  • Tikkit

    Arthur Jones should be #1 on that list. Watched him transition from a part time player to an integral part of that Ravens DL rotation. He’s relentless, bats down passes, and by the way Jon “Bones” Jones is his brother so you know he’s a fighter!

    • GEAGLE

      Not going to happen. And he is the whackest of the bones jones boys…Aurther ain’t signing on to play on our bench, and we ain’t signing anyone that benches Ced or Cox

  • oreofestar

    We just need some more defensive line depth get Carrington we do not need to spend big on Joseph or Jones the D-Line is an overrated need for us

    • dnabrice

      We lost against the Saints because our D couldn’t stop the run. It was embarrassing to be run over like that.

      • peteike

        partially, so many things to point to that could have lead to a win, Cooper drop, Henery miss. I gotta give credit to Payton, you do what the opposition isnt expecting and he stuck to his guns going strong with the run. Yes though when we knew they were running a sneak on short yardage theyd get like 4 yds, disheartening. Id like a run stuffing big body nose tackle to add to the rotation.

        • GEAGLE

          TJ Ward and a Kicker, and we would have won that game

    • RIP illa

      Overrated need? You can’t just acknowledge our lack of depth then say it’s an overrated need. We have nothing behind the starters besides a situational pass rusher. And one of our starters is a development project at NT. DL, in any formation or scheme, is the most heavily rotated positions. So even “your” depth better be playing on a very solid level!!! If it’s not, then “you’re” screwed by way of being worn down towards the end of games and getting run on and/or offering no type of pass rush to get opposing Os off the field when it’s most needed. Kinda sounds familiar.

      • GEAGLE

        It is an over rated need when you have your 3 starters, and potentially two of your rotation guys already on the roster….we could only have room for one more DL and then the DL that we usually deactivate on game days…if they idont trade Curry or Krugs, which I doubt they would, there ain’t even much room for more DL, so how big of a need could it be? We could do NOTHING and have a better DL next year just by our puppies being a year older and stronger and giving them continuity in the scheme

        • RIP illa

          Stop it!!! Curry is not a mainstay and no one knows what the F Kruger is until he can prove it on the field. I’m uncommonly optimistic for Krugs and love me some Curry…but I’m not gonna play the fool and think that we set or even remotely close to it, based on mere expectation!!!

          • GEAGLE

            Lol how many DL do you think we are adding this offseason? And what caliber additions are you expecting out of curiousity, curry isn’t a mainstay? Says who out of curiosity besides a few fans and the joke of a philly media? Every defense no matter the scheme has a place for a Nickle pass rusher, we play Predominrntly a 4 man line on Nickle, so tell me again why Curry isn’t a fit as a 3rd down Nickle pass rusher? If he can fill that role, he is plenty valuable, but let’s not pretend that after one offseason, and 4 months to get his body right at a new position, that he is some finished product who has No shot to grow into more then a Nickle specialist, but been if he doesn’t, that Nickle rusher is plenty valuable…Kruger certainly cant be counted on yet! but you can’t count on us cutting him either. IMO, we have room for two DL, Sqaure and Gaethers replacements.

          • RIP illa

            Dude, I don’t project or push for players that have not proved much of anything. I watch, read, listen, and monitor growth and improvements and take it all in stride.
            Already said I love Curry, that’s not due to a silly stupid thing like him growing up an Eagles fan!!! It’s due to the fact that I love how he disrupts and gets after the QB. I was one of the main Curry supporters during preseason and at the beginning of the regular season. I was one of the main guys screaming for him to get more F’n snaps!!! So I do see value and appreciate the aspect of his nickel/situational pass rusher abilities. However, it would be very dumb of me to ignore the reported requirements, whether hinted or out right quoted, from Davis and what he expects out of his linemen! And that expectation is/was to be more than just a nickel pass rush specialist! Something that Curry did not show at that time, which led to his low number of snaps.
            What he does and how he improves this year, remains to be seen. Yet once again…UNTIL IT IS PROVEN ON THE FIELD, a player is not and should not be considered a mainstay!!! Cox, Thornton, Logan, and Curry…Ever seen the Sesame Street game, “One of These Things Don’t Belong”??? Well if we’re talking about mainstays, then right now that’s Curry! SO he (like every player who’s not top of the food chain at their respective positions, on this team) has the job until they can find someone better!!! That’s not close to what I would call a mainstay.

          • GEAGLE

            He absolutely had to prove more to have a Longterm future here, I just think that because we asked him to make the most difficult transition out of anyone on the team, there was realistically nothing more he could have shown last year…so while he isn’t a lock to be a LONG TERM mainstay, you can’t snap your fingers either and expect him to be able to prove that he is the Longterm answer either, A young player needs to be given the proper amount of time to realistically prove that he is or isn’t the answer…so ruling him out at this point is just as foolish as penciling him in as an eagle for the next 5 years at this point..we are talking about someone with like 16 games of playing time under his belt, who went from 4-3De to 3-4DE which isn’t too common, and all things considered I think he handled the transition as well as anyone in his shoes could have at that stage…

            We can argue til we are blue in the face about out him, but I really really he needs to be given this year, in the same role and the same scheme for us to really be able to know what his value is to the future of this team…can he be a normal rotation guy! or is he destined to be someone we never want two gaping who we just use as a situational pass rusher? I don’t see how we could answer that at this point in his development with 6 months to transition his body to do it, and then like 14 games of film doing it….NOT ENOUGH INTEl, If he was a 5th year player I agree with you, but we are talking about a player who basically just completed his rookie season thanks to that jackass Washburn who didn’t dress our second round pick….people guess that we don’t like curry! but not one really has enough intel to say that with certainty. We have two of his former college coaches on our staff, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has more support and backing from our coaches then the popular opinion suggests

          • RIP illa

            Props for calling out F’n Washburn…still pissed about that. Hope Curry grows into a more than solid all around player for us and takes a big step this year.

          • GEAGLE

            Cheers to that….I’m just curious to see how much more he changes his body with this offseason…the craziest thing about that piece of hillbilly trash Washburn is that with Currys explosion, he was friggin tailor made to play in a wide 9, and that inbred hillbilly still wouldn’t dress him! Wasted an entire season of development, what a joke. Change the subject cuz I’m getting pissed of just thinking about it

  • ICDogg

    BJ Raji doesn’t even enter the discussion?

    • Uncle Wonder

      I’m surprised he only got a $4mm offer frm GB. They must not really want him cuz i think he is worth more than that. Maclin got 6mm and didnt even play last year.

      • aub32

        Raji has been pretty bad the last two years. He has a big name, but his play has fallen off significantly.

        • ICDogg

          Because he is a nose tackle, and shouldn’t be used as a DE like the Packers have been doing.

          • Uncle Wonder

            What difference does it make from a strategic standpoint? If a nose tackle has the ability to get after the QB tht shldnt affect whether or not he will command a double team will it?

          • ICDogg

            He’s not a pass rusher, primarily. He has some rush ability but mostly his contribution in that department is to occupy offensive linemen against his power.

        • Uncle Wonder

          I would like to see him on our line. Wanna see somebody who can get push…he has been begging to rush the passer for the last cpl yrs.

          • aub32

            Are we looking for a pass rushing NT? I thought we preferred a guy who could eat up blocks, free our LBs, and clog the middle.

          • Uncle Wonder

            somebody needs to get into the backfield…they got so little pressure on the QB last year and that hurt the D as a whole. at this point idc where it comes from, and billy doesnt seem to love blitzing

          • aub32

            Dion Jordan? Barr? Ware?

          • Uncle Wonder

            TBD i guess…none of them work at broad and pattison yet

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Those guys are too athletic because according to G, we go for down linemen on obvious passing downs.

          • GEAGLE

            Huh…G, the same G that wants Marcus smith more then anyone in thane draft? Lol

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Busting your chops.

          • Warhound

            Might play some 2-4-5 on passing downs….

          • Jerry Pomroy

            The pass rush in a 34 2 gap is meant to come primarily from your OLBs, specifically the right side. His job is to either get to the QB, stuff the RB in the backfield or pressure the QB to step up into your push (not so much rush) from your DEs.

            If we had a dynamic guy off the right side, we’d see more inside blitzes from the likes of a Kendricks or outside blitzes from Boykin or the safety. The key to being able to blitz from the strong side is good safety play to take away the flat and the hot read.

          • RIP illa

            Hey man…we don’t condone that kinda talk around these parts!!! That being talks of Boykin blitzing. We had enough of that last season :-) So much so that Boykin started posting on here under his name and position. Brandon Boykin OLB…you may have read some of his post.

          • GEAGLE

            But we don’t two gap on obvious pass rushing downs, we go to our 4man line! which is why I think guys like curry and Carrington could have a nice roll for us…people can argue that curry may not develop into a good enough two gapper! but no one can tell me he can’t get after QBs out of a 4man line

          • Jerry Pomroy

            So now we aren’t a 2 gap now? Then we don’t need that athletic ROLB. What’s the sense, since we won’t utilize them. Might as well keep Cole & Graham to while we’re at it and just draft Dee Ford.

          • GEAGLE

            Huh? We are a Predominrntly two gap defense, I don’t think that can even be disputed, but last year our Nickle was predominantly a 4-2-5 and I don’t see how that can be disputed either…now as we add more pieces going forward I think we will add different subpackages like Dime, some 3-3-5…but I’m under the impression that we will always see some 4man lines, no?..then again! who knows! maybe we only went to the 4man lines on Nickle because we had a bunch of 4-3DEs on the roster….but the last thing I’m trying to say is that we Donte need a ROLB, because after safety, it’s our biggest need

          • Uncle Wonder

            ok so what would be the diff in an oline philosophy if a NT in a 0 tec wants to get to the QB? I dont see how it changes their job

          • RIP illa

            Not exactly. We’ve discussed and pretty much came to the consensus that we want someone who is big enough and strong enough to anchor on run downs. While still being able to push the middle of the pocket, on passing downs, enough so that the opposing QBs can’t just step up and find a lane or takeoff. At least for me, that’s different than pass rushing. So just someone to clog the lanes, like McCullers, doesn’t offer enough versatility. Someone like Ellis, Kerr, and another kid that I can’t remember right now, can do one aspect well enough, without sacrificing too much of the other.

      • ICDogg

        He’s redundant there, and the other guy they have is cheaper than Raji is to keep around.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Barnwell thought he’d be a nice fit for us.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      His play has fallen off significantly and he’s got stubs for arms. Fits a one gap if he was still rushing the QB well but not so much a 2 gap player.

  • Tom W

    I imagine our Nebraska brain trust between Huls and the weightroom guy have been feeding the BEAST 6 6 275 35 inch arms and 10 inch hands Joe Krueger daily and creating a 21 yr old physical specimem closert to 6 7 300 lbs and most if not all of that muscle. This kid knows what it takes from his brothers and family pedigree (3 guys in the league). right mindset. physically gifted. Can’t wait to unleash him this year. Calais Campbell watch out. I’m betting if he went through a combine workout today he would destroy it w the added strengh and just because he is still growing into his man strength (only 20 when drafted and had top 10 20 yd shuttle). Was mocked as a 3-4th rd pick last year…went in 7th lmao bc of age/lack of strength. This year would certainly be at least a top 100 player. Like getting another late 3d round pick added to our defensive line. works for me.

    Analysis
    Strengths Very impressive size. Athletic. Long arms. Plays with power, capable of bull rushing offensive lineman back into the quarterback. Extends his arms and can keep offensive lineman off his frame. Good first step, comes off the ball well. Plays with a firm base. Flows to the football well, and is an effort player. Possesses the ability to redirect.
    Weaknesses Plays with a high pad level too often. Pops upright off the snap and will give up leverage. Needs to add more weight. Struggles to bend as a pass rusher. Lacks counter moves, will get stuck on his block. Inconsistent hand placement.
    NFL Comparison Jared Odrick
    Bottom Line
    Kruger has an great frame, and is highly athletic and powerful. His technique is raw, and he needs to work on improving his pad level, but he has plenty of upside as a 34 defensive end. Kruger will likely be selected within the first 100 picks (this was last year’s prediction)

    • peteike

      just the fact that I trust this staff way more in terms of building guys up says a lot. Cant wait to see how Krueger turns out. Chip came in with a reputation for building players up, even practice squad and reserves Im interested to see grow esp O line.

    • Maggie

      Nice analysis and hopeful projection. Just one caution. You are not allowed to mention family or genes of any player here. Someone will deny it matters. Also you must not misspell the last name or someone will put you down. I agree with you on how interesting it will be to see how Mr. Krueger comes along. Mentioned it a couple of day ago in fact. Your post is detailed. thanks.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I love everything about Kruger, and subsequently your post. nice.

    • cliff henny

      just once…ONCE!!!…i’d like to get the correct brother

      • GEAGLE

        Lol wouldnt that be Grand…we haven’t gotten a brother right since the Andrews boys, and we had to sign both just to make sure :)

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Was that the draft analysis from NFL.com? I specifically remember the part about popping up out of stance and playing with pads too high, thus losing leverage.

      • RIP illa

        I read that about every tall DL prospect. I wonder how many actually overcome that weakness, playing “smaller” than you actually are.

        • GEAGLE

          Yup, just like every time there is a safety who is ATleast 6’2’215lbs, someone will automatically write that he has stiff hips, and it usually catches on like wild fire and becomes the popular opinion, even if it ain’t true

          • RIP illa

            I hate reading NFL.com scouting reports. Just for the simple fact that now I gotta read a bunch of others (more than usual) on a single player, just to be able to discern through their lazy BS and qualify it.

          • Tom W

            I prefer Optimum Scouting’s and Caplan’s .. but I was mostly interested in the measurables from the NFL combine for Krueger and historical combine measurables comparison their site provides all the way back to 2006 …. measurables and times are great … but the comparison to other similar players etc provides added insight .. plus nfl.com has their combine drills alot of the time that other sites don’t.

            Just added the scouting report to get people excited and in nfl’s defense … I find their reports much much better than espns and scouts inc out of national sources and even sometimes cbssports

          • RIP illa

            Yeah man. Nothing against your post at all. It was a good one. And I do go there for my combine numbers and one other site that gives me both combine and pro day numbers. I’m not saying all of their stuff is wrong…it just needs to be held up to other SR’s to get a consensus and/or to see how far off they are.

          • GEAGLE

            if Kruger would have stayed in school he lwould have been a beast this year

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Hence the reason why I like long guys to be speed guys or work more on their core and lower body. The thicker the trunk the less a tall tree sways in a storm.

      • GEAGLE

        You wanna watch good Kruger film, check him out when Utah would have defenses backed up to their own goal line(safety territory), seemed like he would always turn it up a notch and wreak havoc

    • devCal

      good work tommy!

  • Tom W

    Heard great things about the Delaware Blue hen monster NT Zack Kerr … I know Rob and some others like him as well …one of the nfl scouts prep guy I follow said he watched both the Kerr and Justin Ellis (another nt draft candidate) and Kerr blew him away w quickness and ability to shed blockers ….. potential 6-7 rd steal and address a need.

    Another guy to keep on eye late — Arkansas DT Robert Thomas — 6 3 325 34 inch arms … played well in couple games he started junior yr … was a top prospect his senior yr … had great production in 3-4 games (4 sacks) and then broke his leg…. Eagles had dinner w him night before his proday and he got invited to combine … can play nt but probablyathletic enough to play dt in a 4-3 SEC. coach gave out his jersey before every game after his injury to a different player to honor him as a leader

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000246639/article/arkansas-robert-thomas-drawing-high-interest-from-nfl-scouts

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000323691/article/arkansas-dl-robert-thomas-doesnt-plan-to-run-at-combine

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      choo choo! the Kerr train just got another passenger! all aboard

      • GEAGLE

        Where do I purchase a Ticket? I’m in!

  • GEAGLE

    Still can’t believe there are fans and writers that aren’t sure Logan is the starting NT, SMH…madness.
    ..
    Alex Carrington is probably our main DL target, because improving our Nickle pass rush is a priority. Improving the run defense is some silly fan talk..
    ..
    Terrence Cody is the other DL I have talked about. I wouldn’t mind trying to take a rehabilitation flier on him, because he is probably better than Gaethers and we got more out of Clifton then I thought, so I wouldn’t mind seeing with they could do with the young big boy! but this isn’t a signing they can make guarenteeing him a roster spot. He would have to agree to a cheap enough camp body contract that we can cut, if we draft someone or he doesn’t play his way onto the roster.l

    Soliali,Linval Joseph, this is friggin crazy talk. They ain’t investing in anyone that sends Logan to the bench, you can take that to the bank Kapadia, and a team with Kruger is NOT adding Wooten, so that’s another name just for the sake of a name
    .,
    Carrington to back up Cox is ideal, then rotate in Nickle with Curry N Cox as our 4-3 DTs…Cody is a signing you make just in case you don’t find a backup NT in the draft, but IMO that’s the type of signing you make, under the impression that he may not even make the roster…

    Aurthur Jones is not realistic name. I don’t get why anyone would waste their time talking about someone that would send Cox or Ced to the bench??Aurthur sure as hell ain’t signing on to be a back up

    • RIP illa

      Get over it!!! No one should be sold on Logan until he proves otherwise. Meaning that he can be a impactful force in the middle. And no he has not proven it yet. He had a decent year for a 3rd rookie who wasn’t really a fore thought to anyone outside of the FO. Doesn’t mean he’s “arrived” yet or his position should be set in stone. For what they, meaning Davis and the D, want from him (versatile enough to anchor well and pass rush well) then they should not stop looking for upgrades or adding more players who can challenge him, until he either lives up or surpass expectations.

      • GEAGLE

        I deal in reality…and in real life. I promise you Logan will start for us in 2014…after that, your guess is as good as mine….We ONLY have one NT on the roster dude, of course he will get competition,…but it’s coming from the draft, or a cheap low end FA like Cody, not no 20million dollar investment…sorry, don’t shoot the messenger

        Anyone Know how long Hagemens arms are? The competition we add for Logan, will be a similar player, a DL with Long arms, who will be more mobile then the typical NT to play in our multiple front Scheme

        • RIP illa

          We’ve had this talk before. I’m sure he will…but being a starter is tantamount to nothing in some instances. Hell, Soap was a starter…Hell Chung was a starter…even GD Casey Matthews was a starter :-) Point is or was, that the kid is not above being in a real competition for his job.

          • GEAGLE

            I never said he was, I’m just disagreeing with who his competition will be, It ain’t going to be some 6mil per year 20million dollar investment,,,,it will either be a draft pick, or a cheap 1mil per year player who we hope to eventually cut because we landed someone better in the draft…

          • RIP illa

            Agreed for the most part. I always wanted us to draft a guy to give him comp. But not just some BS player that we only want for backup purposes. My mind does unrealistically wander to thoughts of Howie being able to steal Joseph, for a reasonable price, from everyone else in FA. I would love that and be way amp’d for our DL to destroy people with that kinda rotation. Although it won’t happen, I’ve seen Howie pull off big time coups before…Back in the days when he was known as Splash!!!

          • GEAGLE

            Heck, you think I’d be complaining if the eagles announce the signing of Linval? Dudes a young beast, I’d be so damn jacked up, I just have to see it to believe it…

            Sometime before the draft, I’m going to take a look at all the DL prospects and try to figure out who we may target. I really really don’t think it’s going to be that traditional immobile 350lb NT. If we had that player, i suspect it would be a very cheap low quality FA, because those players are getting less and less snaps each year…lol I’m not crazy, and in don’t just talk out my ass! just look at the players we passed up and the players we targeted….we were transitioning to a 3-4 last year with 4-3 personel and NO ONE who had any shot at playing 3-4 NT…did we go after a traditional NT before we settled on Soap? NOPE!! We threw 20million dollars at RJF who is pretty Bennie Loganish if you ask me…he turned us down, so we settled on stop gap soap….then we get to a draft that had some really nice NT prospect like Brandon Williams who I adored, and we passed on them for another RJF type in Logan, who is more of a 3-4DE with long arms and a frame that can pack on enough LBs to anchore,..
            ..,
            These aren’t coincidences, these aren’t us just settling, this is the type of NT Billy Davis needs to transition on the fly in his multiple front defenses, and not for nothing, the league is transitioning away from those big fat NT who have to come off the field on 3rd down…If teams don’t allow us to sub, Logan isn’t a complete waste in our Nickle because we have seen he has the ability to get after QBs.

            We need a backup for Logan, and competition, but what Logan’s emergence did for us was allowed us to not invest 20million in the position, and go with a cheaper rookie contract…If we are going to add a big fanboy who can’t play on 3rd down, it would be a very cheap one in free agency…Chip Kelly draft picks need to be versatile, and have to not be complete liabilities in your Nickle defense.

            Then again, I always talk about how I think other then the safety position, this offseason will be focused on two things:
            1) getting off the field on 3rd down
            2) and defensive depth

          • RIP illa

            Pretty much. I was pulling for Knighton in FA and Jessie Williams in the Draft. Damn, would have loved to have Williams on this squad…Damn. Brandon Williams was my last choice…but as you said, they passed. That’s one of the reasons I like ‘Shede so much. He fits the type and can be a serious monster in the middle. However, I’m not sure if we will have the chance to take him in the 1st. And even if we did, I’m not sure they will. I know he won’t be there in the 2nd when we pick!

            I just can’t get comfortable with the batting average approach on our man in the middle. I’m not gonna write Logan off, but please Howie, don’t bring in a FA bum who has no shot in Hell of actually challenging him and/or winning the spot. And since after Joseph, in FA, they’re pretty much all “bums” So I really want us to draft a kid.

            Yet, from this list, I would love for us to bring in Carrington and Woods. Tell Square and Geathers to kick rocks and have Curry, Krugs, Woods, and Carrington battle it out in camp. Of course everything stems from the math being right!

          • GEAGLE

            Potroast, Jesse will(I’d try to offer Seattle BG for him straight up), and Brandon were all players I wanted…Benny Logan was not someone I called correctly. Walterfootball mocked him to us in round 3 for MONTHS, and I laughed and talked crap about him every week, joke was on me..
            ..
            At this point I would be pretty damn disappointed if we didn’t add Carrington, and I actually think Woods could be a real target of ours as well….if I had to bet money on who we will sign, I’d def take those two…add those two and draft pick, and we would have a really nice DL that will have to battle and compete hard In camp for spots…
            ..
            The real issue I’m having is I’m a not sure how many DL we will carry..we traded away Soap and didn’t replace him with any DL..so will we carry the amount of DL we had with Soap, or one less like when we traded and didn’t replace Soap?

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, working out the position numbers for this team is not too easy at the moment. We’re still getting use to Chip’s way of thinking, while still having the traditional way set in our minds.
            Adding those 2 w/ the subtraction of Square and Geathers, would give us 7 DL. Krugs’ is the 7th and is dependent on if he can show that he’s ready for the league. If not then back to the PS, unless he gets plucked.
            I don’t like keeping 5 Safeties, so yes I’m anti-Anderson. I don’t care about the ST Ace status, if you suck on the field! Yet, even if we went w/ the normal 4 Safety number, we’re still “traditionally” thin at OLB. Plus I do like having more than 5 CBs (personal preference which has no real bearing). So it’s kinda hard to find room for 7 DL.

          • GEAGLE

            Another issue I struggle with is why we played so much 4man lines in Nickle last year. Easy to say, we had No OLBs and a bunch of 4-3DEs so we maximized their talents and played a lot of 4man lines on 3rd down, but will we transition away from a 4man line once we get that real legit ROLB Terror? The answer seems Iike an Obvious Yes, but what confuses me is Cox pass rush ability. We talk about what a talent he is and how two gaping wastes some of his talent, so It is possible that we want to put those talents to use and allow him to get after QBs in a 4man lines going forward….this confuses me

          • RIP illa

            See that confuses me on a whole different level. I didn’t think of us as playing a 4-2-5 much. I mean we obviously did, but I remember screaming for it, at the front part of the season, so we could get Curry on the field more. But we did have 4 down…it was just a real weird or odd front. Our DL, specifically Cox, seemed not to be lined up in the usual 4-2-5 spots. Seemed like Cox was shifted over to the outside, more toward the end spot, than towards the DT spot. I thought that could have played a role in his pass rushing “drop off”, for lack of a better term. I thought we were in some shape or form, still trying to get him to get the attention of the guard and tackle in order to free up Cole, instead of just having him go ballistic against the guard and get to the QB. I could very well be wrong, since I have no tape to go back on.
            Anyway I want us to keep going w/ the 4-2-5 or use it more. I just want someone more capable in coverage than Meco. I wanna see Barwin and Kendricks, or draft pick and Kendricks. Just as long as they can cover or blitz better than Meco. I wanna see more Cox and Curry shooting straight into the A gaps on passing downs, unless we stunt, and let our outside rushers stay on the outside. In my limited knowledge, I fail to see how a 3-3-5 can be vastly more effective. Sure, it keeps the O guessing on which side is gonna blitz, but I don’t think it’s that deceptive. Especially when the options are between Cole and Barwin! Coaches and players do their homework and watch film…they know that Cole is gonna be coming off the edge more often than not cuz he’s such a liability in coverage. They know that Barwin isn’t a supremely talented pass rusher also. So even if we add a ROLB terror, as long as Barwin’s on the other side, the issue will be the same.
            But the talk has been that Davis wants more 3-3-5. I just don’t see it as being that great a scheme over 4 down, as of now. Maybe it offers more in terms of coverage, but coverage can only get you so far sometimes. Either way, I wanna stick with 4 down. Don’t care if the terror of an ROLB has to stick his hand in the dirt or get on the line and stand up. As long as we got Cox and Curry or whomever penetrating and flushing the QB out toward our outside rushers. And mainly so we stop wasting Cox’s talent and see what he truly is, so when new contract time comes up, we’re not stuck in the predicament of trying to gauge how much he’s worth or value vs his actual production.

    • GEAGLE

      Props on Al Woods, could def see him being a realistic target..why? Because he is a lot like Logan, and Logan is No accident, he is exactly the type of NT we want

      • oreofestar

        I would love Logan to bulk up to like 315-320 but anyway if he are talking Realistic targets then you know what I am going to say

        • GEAGLE

          He is definitely bulking up, don’t think we need to worry bout,that

          • oreofestar

            Damn it why can’t Tuesday get here already

          • GEAGLE

            Right! Actually Kelce even said that right now is “bulking season” portion of their offseason plan…our Center and our NT, along with Curry are really focusing on bulking up this offseason…can’t wait to see how much more they transform their bodies this offseason. Love that guys like Kelce,JP and Todd aren’t rehabbing this offseason, and get to hit the entire offseason program

          • oreofestar

            yeah it is good also Barkley who I still believe can be our backup and yeah I hate to wait until Tuesday and if Ward or Byrd is not on the Eagles I will be very disppointed

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Agree…being healthy from the start is a big plus for Kelce,JP and the ToddFather. Hopefully Kelce isn’t stuffing his face too much after getting that new fat check.

  • oreofestar

    Darren Sproles and Lance Moore were cut….wonder if we have interest in wither

    • anon

      surprised they let sproles go. DAT or Sproles?

      • oreofestar

        Sproles is a better player, but also more expensive, but he does not cost a draft pick I doubt we land him but I would be surprised if the FO was not t least interested

      • RIP illa

        How bout neither.