Report: Byrd Unlikely To Be Tagged

NFL: Tennessee Titans at Buffalo Bills

With the start of free agency just nine days away, the chances of Buffalo Bills safety Jairus Byrd hitting the market appear to have increased.

According to Joe Buscaglia of WGR 550 in Buffalo, the Bills are unlikely to sign Byrd to a long-term extension, and the franchise tag is not in their plans either. Byrd played last year under the franchise tag, and per the report, the team might not want to use another one-year rental before losing the Pro Bowl safety next offseason.




Per Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Bills made Byrd an offer that would have made him the highest-paid safety in the league for a portion of the deal. But he turned it down.

These situations are always fluid. But if the Bills want to use the tag, Monday is the last day to do so.

As for the Eagles, GM Howie Roseman was asked this week if the team is still in position to take risks in free agency if the right player is available.

"Yes," he said. "It will affect other things going forward, but yes."

Last month, we used the All-22 for an in-depth look at Byrd. The 27-year-old is a play-making ballhawk who patrols the deep middle of the field. Clearly, he's looking for a team willing to break the bank.

The signals Roseman has sent out indicate the Eagles aren't looking to make a major splash, but given the major need at safety, Byrd's situation is worth  monitoring.

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  • jay

    Good lord, if he turned down that deal I don’t know what he’s looking for. But I’m not sure he’s worth ALL that. He’s great, but damn.

    • anon4284

      It may be that he doesn’t want to be in Buffalo anymore. Might just be me hoping.

      • phillylove21

        I admire your spirit bro..

    • Philly0312

      I’d argue it’s a combination of not wishing to play in Buffalo, and the part of the offer which stated, “for a portion of the deal”. That means that likely year 5 was over 8.5 million or something like that. If he hits the market, I am sure we will make an offer, but I personally don’t think it should be much different than Kelce’s new contract.

      • Tom W

        gonna be way over kelce deal … guaranteed money alone will be double to triple what kelce got

    • oreofestar

      it said make hi highest paid safety for a portion of the deal that does not mean he would have highest average salary and making he does not wanna be in Buffalo

  • Oregonphilly

    Perhaps he wants to play on a contender or in a good environment. I see Athletes are starting to realize the value of being happy by where you are vs. how many MORE millions of dollars they have. I meam he is already loaded….

    • anon

      Easy to say until you get hurt, he’s turning 27 and no one wants to pay players over 30. Plenty of people spend their whole careers on contenders. Better get that dough.

      • Rahkem

        when you play for a winner it leads to other things , alot more opportunities off the field alot of decent players got elevated because they played for really good teams and alot of good players have been forgotten because they didnt.

    • timekills

      I’ve lived in Philly, and lived near Buffalo. If you’re implying athletes would enjoy living and playing in Philly more, I think you might be overstating things. I don’t want to live in either town, to be fair, but there is a reason why Philly is constantly mentioned by NFL players as being less than deisrable.

      • Warhound

        “Philly is constantly mentioned by NFL players as being less than desirable.” I think that this hasn’t been true for awhile. Any examples?
        Consider – The Eagles have better facilities and better endorsement ops. Also, Philly has a much better selection of restaurants, nightclubs, museums, etc. Lastly, Buffaloes winters are (usually) much harsher than those in Philly.

        • CTAZPA

          Yeah, Warhound named positive aspects of Philly itself, and Chip Kelly and Jeffrey Lurie have clearly established themselves as men who players would want to play for.

        • Richard Colton

          He won’t be able to give you any – because he’s a clown. I’ve lived in upstate New York. It sucks. Not even close to what we have here.

  • Bukester

    Think he is too young to pull the ol’ “lookin for the ring, not the money”? Birds have a lot to offer a player like that. He has to know that.

    • timekills

      Which Eagles team are you watching that is ready to win a ring?

      • oreofestar

        The Eagles are already better than last year an the new league year has not even started

        • timekills

          Every team is already better than last year every year. If Byrd is “looking for the ring” he’s not picking Buffalo or Philly this year.
          I think he may want out of Buffalo after yet another DC change, but Philly has neither the $$$ nor immediate chance of winning.

          • GEAGLE

            Your an idiot if you don’t think a team who has like a two years heads up on it’s entire division isn’t a desirable destination…it’s easier for the eagle to make the playoffs then it is for the friggin packers..

          • Richard Colton

            Literally everything you said is wrong.

  • DharmaBum

    It’s also being reported that Mike Pettine wants Byrd. If that’s the case, then the Browns wouldn’t be able to tag Ward…at least if they wanted to sign Byrd. No one could afford to tie up that much in the safety position. If that report is true, that would necessarily mean that neither Ward, nor Byrd will be tagged. I’d think there’s a pretty good chance that we could end up with one of them.

    • anon

      The have like 60mil in cap room and aren’t paying a qb, wr, rb or lb now. It can be done.

      • oreofestar

        they have 50ish mil right they have to work on Haden extension too and have crazy holes to fill everywhere I do not think they are going to tie up over 17mil on 2 safeties

        • George

          haden is a cb…

          • oreofestar

            I know

          • George

            you said to 2 sefeties, did you mean 2 secondary players? that would make sense

          • oreofestar

            I was referring to them getting Ward and Byrd

          • George

            oh ok. That also makes sense

        • anon

          My b I thought it was 50 before they bumped the cap. That’s still 50, plus 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.

      • DharmaBum

        Good point, but that’s still A LOT of money to be allocating to a 2-man position group. I mean, do you really want to franchise one safety, and pay another one 20-30% MORE than that?

    • paul from nc

      I’d rather have Ward anyway. Cheaper and still a major improvement.

      • oreofestar

        same I would rather have Ward for 2mil per year less and put that money elsewhere but I sure as hell would not complain but Byrd

      • DharmaBum

        That’s kind of what I was hinting at — we could get Ward. I love Byrd, and would welcome him with open arms, but Ward is probably just as good, in his own way, and a much more financially responsible choice.

  • Philly0312

    Well, right now the Eagles have the 16th highest paid safety in the NFL (Chung), and a rookie contract for one starter (Wolfe). Too easy to lock this guy up to 6 years, 45 million, cut Avant and Chung, and basically break even. Seems like a no brainer to me.

    • Tom w

      Haha that’s way too cheap cuz … Try 5 for 43 for 28 guaranteed. That could get it done.

      • Philly0312

        7.5 mil vs 8.5 mil (average) per year. Not too much different…But hey, we can pretend their is a huge difference. Of course, 5 for 43 and 28 guaranteed makes him the highest paid safety in the NFL. Berry signed for 6 years 50mil, 25 mil guaranteed.

        • anon

          The guaranteed money will be a problem for us. We only have one or two people with more than 3 yr deals (functionally).

        • paul from nc

          Yep, a million here , a million there — soon it adds up to real money.

          But agree, the structure and guarantee is the key

        • Tom W

          The first thing howie and the agent do is look at comparable deals …. the guaranteed money is everything …. and no way byrd would take 7.5 mil a yr average. start w gholdson’s deal last year (berry’s was old cba so that shouldn’t be in conversation) and eric weddle’s deal. Byrd is alot better than both of them. those 2 deals are around 8 to 8.3 mil. 16-19 mil guaranteed. … we go 8.5 mil for 5 yrs and 24-28 mil guaranteed and that should get it done. give him the 8 mil signing bonus and 1 mil salary in yr one … average of 7 mil salary next 3 years

          • Philly0312

            My general point still being correct….you cut a safety we overpaid for (Chung) and Avant, restructure Casey, and you essentially break even on signing Byrd, 7.5 mil or 8.5 mil per year doesn’t really matter overall. If they have to go to 8.5 mil to secure the safety spot, they do it, and given their “likely” roster moves in the near future, they might not even take much of an overall cap hit to do such.

    • timekills

      I suppose your theory is he’d take less than the Bills offered him LAST year – and significantly less than THIS year – because all along he’s wanted to leave Buffalo and come to beautiful Philadelphia. With it’s great fans.

      Be honest. Philly isn’t offering anything more in terms of advertising himself, fans, or weather. And not that much better of a team competitively.

      That 45 mil might be good for the first five years. He’s asking for ~$9 mil/year, and probably wants to be closer to his dad’s (Gil’s) stomping grounds.

      • GEAGLE

        Phillies fans might suck, but everyone knows we are starved crazed for safety since Dawk. The next safety who can play in philly will be a friggin GOD! And when you are the patriots bitch every year in small market buffalo, owning the division in Philly and going to the playoffs every year with this big market team will start looking like Honolulu to a Buffalo bill

      • knighn

        Buffalo and Philly are fairly different from each other. Philly is a great organization that has had lots of success over the last decade and a half (outside of that big win) and was ultimately capable of winning over the highly-coveted Chip Kelly. Buffalo… is still Buffalo. Great if you’re looking for hot wings, or a short drive up to Niagara Falls or Canada… otherwise… you want to go somewhere else.

      • Maggie

        Sounds a little like maybe he wants San Francisco. Chance to win big, great fans, weather, organization, plenty of opportunities to break into show biz, and if he is as good as his reputation, he can beat out anybody who is already there.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol ok…

  • Tom w

    Why does it gotta be he is trying to break the bank? Maybe he doesn’t wanna play for a shit organization that has no shot of winning a ring during his prime and maybe he doesn’t wanna be stuck is miserable buffalo his entire career … Geez not much of a leap to make. Not always about the money. Maybe he leaves a few mil on the table to not only get outta freakin no qb no pkayoffs buffalo and go to a team on the rise

    • Philly0312

      All I know is with Byrd out of the lineup, Buffalo was 15th or 16th against the pass last year – when he entered the lineup, they were ranked #2. Pay the man to bring him to Philly, that’s enough for me.

      • GEAGLE

        He ain’t friggin NNamdi..dude is legit!!!

        I learned to very important lessons these past years, manti Teo, and NnAndi..
        ..
        Pay no attention to draft experts til the day before the draft, that’s when they get a slight idea.wanna talk draft you have to watch prospects for yourself, or only read media members opinions who watch film for themselves like Cossell
        ..
        And I’ll never again call a player a top player unless I watch him be for my damn self..the NNamdi. Lesson….so you can bet I watched Byrd for myself before spouting off at the mouth about him and the dude is serious quality

    • GEAGLE

      I really think there isn’t anything they could have offered him to make him happy to stay. He ain’t winning anything in the patriots division! stuck in a little market

      • Tom W

        well exactly thats what I said. dont think is has anything to do w the money as the article explicitly implies.

        • GEAGLE

          Yup…buffalo is down to pay, But he wants out

  • Chip

    Thank Jesus!

  • Anon4284

    Anyone else see that Jimmy K’s article speculating we might trade DJax cause we have too much invested into the WR position? I’d posted it in relation to the Dion Jordan thing but…it could swing for Byrd too.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/Eagles-signings-of-Jeremy-Maclin-and-Riley-Cooper-could-signal-a-DeSean-Jackson-trade.html

    Possible trade fodder.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      nice name, nice avatar.
      and Jimmy’s logic does make some sense

      • OldDocRoss

        Yeah, he seemed to take some flak for it over at Lawlor’s but I thought it was a decent read. He laid out why it would make sense and also why it wouldn’t and he explicitly said there was no way the Eagles would shop him around, they’d just be in a position to react if someone made them a good offer.

        If they’re going to do anything it’s much more likely to happen next year than this but we’ve put ourselves in a position where we’ve got three WRs with high ability and/or potential, all of whose contracts are such that if we want to move on from them for any reason in a year or two we can without taking a crippling cap hit. That’s good roster management.

        • GEAGLE

          Next year, after Mac and coop prove themselves and a WR we draft proves to be the real deal, is a drastically different argument then right now

          • DharmaBum

            I think that one of the points of Bama’s article is that we don’t know what might happen with DeSean this year that could lessen his value, i.e. more arguments with his position coach, injury, etc. Apart from the glut of WR talent in the draft, this would be the perfect time and circumstance in which to deal him.

          • GEAGLE

            You know what’s ideal? Some damn continuity for your young developing QB who is going into a crucial year

          • oreofestar

            Thank you because you ensure the success of QB by taking away his best/favorite wr (and it is not Cooper do not know why they say he is his fave target)

          • DharmaBum

            Point taken.

          • DharmaBum

            Although, the point could also be made that he’s still young enough, both chronologically, AND in the system, that he hasn’t become set in his ways or become overly reliant on any one security blanket receiver. Eh, the argument could go either way…

          • GEAGLE

            Just think THIS ENTIRE offseason should be about two simple things:
            1) putting FOles in the best position possible in his first offseason as the man
            ..
            2) Improving our defenses ability to get off the field on 3rd and long

            If a move doesn’t benefit one of those two areas I’m automatically against it

          • DharmaBum

            I agree, to an extent. The alternative would appear to be to trade DJax, draft a big WR, pick up DAT late in the draft and let Nick grow with them, Coop, and Mac. That would only leave Coop as the lone holdover, even if he seems to have the best rapport with Foles. Also, DAT doesn’t have DeSean’s speed. I could argue both sides of this one, equally well. I’m just worried that we may get stuck with DeSean IF (that’s a big if) he self combusts in some way. Regardless of the various arguments for and against, there’s no doubt that his value is at it’s highest right now.

          • GEAGLE

            Nick don’t have time to start over..he needs to produce now. We have decisions to make regarding him in the near future

          • DharmaBum

            The looming decision on his contract and the need to see who he really is, is the best argument for continuity, for sure.

        • knighn

          Lawlor and Kempski are good friends and both would admit that. When Lawlor calls Kempski a hack, it’s a term of endearment.

          • OldDocRoss

            I know, I was meaning he took unreasonable flak from commenters, not from Lawlor.

            What was funny was that many of the more angry people in the comments section were basically repeating points that Kempski had already made in the original article.

          • knighn

            I can’t blame the fans for being upset at the thought of losing one of the truly special talents on this team.

          • OldDocRoss

            That article will have no influence on whether or not Desean is an Eagle next season, so it’s kinda silly for folks to be mad at Kempski. Or anyone really.

            I read it, thought “interesting theory, but can’t see us doing anything this year unless a crazy offer comes in”. I’d far rather we hang onto him for at least another year. All the article did was lay out some pros and cons of trading him sooner. Reading it passed five minutes. Desean’s still an Eagle, the world is still spinning and some folks need to chill the heck out.

          • knighn

            In this case, it’s a matter of crucifying the messenger of the theoretical. The only way Kempski could have pissed off the fans more was if he also included the weather forecast.

    • Maggie

      Saw it and it makes a certain amount of sense after thinking it over. depending on how it all played out with possible replacements or what was offered in return.

      • MoreViolence

        I feel the same way, dunno how I’d feel if they traded Djax away and didn’t replace his skill set in the draft. But with WR being a strength of this draft class I’m sure if that happened we’d be getting a Wide out in the first three rounds.

  • NickS1

    I saw the title and immediately got a chub.

    • Philly0312

      My favorite post today.

      • Atvcar

        This post was more disturbing than the original… Ew

        • Philly0312

          Well you are obviously a boring human being who is pointlessly negative toward immature behavior.

  • GEAGLE

    Byrd and Alex Carrington are both represented by Eugene Parker, the agent Bills fans hate for Delivering Jason Peters to the Eagles lol. Parker also now represents Boykin and Kendricks

    Barwin and Kelce’s agent represents Worlids

    • oreofestar

      interesting… at this point I think the Byrd thing is great because it makes Ward getting tagged unlikely which means they will both hit the market which makes bringing one in easier

      • GEAGLE

        If anyone knows of any free agent targets represented by Joel Segal, please let me know. He did the Cooper contract, and stole Desean from Jay Z the summer of 2012. Not sure but he may also represent Mac! but don’t hold me to that

        Jason Peters new agent is Vincent Taylor, and I’m not sure if he represents any of the prominent free agents so he is also worth finding out about

    • anon

      Good investigative reporting

      • GEAGLE

        Power agents and their relationships with GMs really really matter and it never gets a thought in the media. You have the blowhards like Drew Rosenhouse, but Parker is the opposite. he wants no spotlight but is very powerful…can’t think of his partners name off the top of my head but his name is Roosevelt something..they recently aquired a few other prominent agents under their umbrella that has shifted some power in the NFL agent world…Parker is responsible for the ndomunkung Su holdout that got him paid!!!..
        ..
        The recent agents who have experienced doing business with Howie don’t forget that when it’s time to find their free agent clients a new home.

        • oreofestar

          IDC as long as it brings Ward or Byrd into our laps, Geagle we do not have to talk about average safeties like Jenkins and Clemons there is a chance!

          • GEAGLE

            Lol no one better utter a word about Jenkins til the fat lady has sang and Byrd signs with someone else!!!!

          • oreofestar

            then I talk about Ward the player I want more

          • GEAGLE

            Go ahead, I ain’t the type to split hairs

          • oreofestar

            I want him more because I like his price more but Byrd is obviously ideal

          • GEAGLE

            Is there really a different between 40mil and 38mil? Spend that much and you may as well go get the best. Then again the smart thing to do is negotiate with both and take the one that will compromise more because he Genuinly wants to be an eagle

          • oreofestar

            I think the difference will be greater

          • GEAGLE

            Then wards agent sucks lol…kid can play at probably one of nthe most high valued position in these NFL..practically every team could use a safety..you got Chiefs with a great safety in Berry and even they are looking for new safety

          • oreofestar

            I just do not think he is going to get Byrd money they are both gonna get paid but Byrd will get PAID!!!!

          • George

          • GEAGLE

            This!!! ATleast I hope…when Howie talks about being able to add those special players, but them maybe being tagged and not hitting the market, he ain’t dumb, he knows everyone is asking him about Byrd and Ward! but he isn’t allowed to mention them by name! nor would he for competitive advantages. But when he makes those statement, who the hell else is he talking about if not BYrd? He has been hearing fans clamor for Byrd for two years and this market isn’t overflowing with “special players”

            Did I just rationalize to myself that we will go after Byrd? lol I’m trying to WILL IT to happen thru positive reinforcements

        • Tom w

          Parker is known as a hard ass …. Rosenhaus and Howie have a great relationship btw

          • GEAGLE

            It’s not about money and Jason peters leaving wasn’t about money. Parker is a bulldog who will get his client whatever he wants, and Byrd wants out of buffalo…

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    I love the guy, but worried how much he’ll cost. I hope him turning down a huge $$ deal had more to do with BUF itself than the numbers

    EDIT: then again, cap is going up and we’ve got Howie. pay the man!

    • NickS1

      Let’s hope. Otherwise he’s not going to like a Howie contract.

    • timekills

      So he turned down Buffalo because he wants to live/play in beautiful Philadelphia?

      Ahh, I doubt it.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        You mean a stable franchise with a good coaching staff and cap room to sign him, with the likelihood of making a playoff run these next few years? Yea that’s pretty desirable. Thanks for your well-reasoned input

        • Atvcar

          ZING

    • Token

      Cap isnt a concern. They are swimming in money. If they wanted to they could sign Byrd AND a Shields. Or Orakpo and Shields. More than enough money. They would still be able to give their own guys extensions next year when you consider more money would be coming off the books.

  • GEAGLE

    Field free to cut whoever we need to, to get this done

    • oreofestar

      Chung, Avant, Casey bye nice knowing(I will actually miss Avant) and Johnson, Mahel you two would be lucky to make the roster

      • GEAGLE

        Works for me!!!

  • Guest

    Maybe he wants to win ? He probably feels he can a least Match that offer with another Less dysfunctional Oragnization and hes right. We all know the combine is tampering central so his agent already knows theres a few teams that will beat or match what buffalo offered. With that said , hes not coming here lol

    • GEAGLE

      So if not Byrd, who else could Howie have possibly been talking about, when he talks cryptically about adding special players but maybe them getting not tagged and hitting the market? Who many other special players on this market besides Byrd made sense to where that may have been who Howie was referring to? Orakpo? Maybe but easier to invest 40mjl when you have no safeties under contract then it is to pay that to Orakpo when you are already paying Barwin.Cole,and BG…who the hell else could Howie have been referring to if not Byrd who eagles fans and reporters have been harrissing him about for two years now? Lol

      • Tom w

        Verner maybe. Ward. Orapko but unlikely.

        • oreofestar

          yep but hey I would not mind any of those players but Byrd is what we all want

  • Rick H

    Both Byrd & Ward are both really good safeties however they are 2 different kinds of safeties. If the Eagles want pass coverage and making game changing plays/interceptions… then Byrd is the guy.
    If you want an impact run stuffing tackler that anticipates the play and tackles guys for losses then Ward is the guy. Ward can cover too but Byrd is much more of a center fielder then Ward. I seriously worry about the amount of $$$ they want specifically Byrd. Would juice up our defense YOU KNOW IT WOULD!
    Now what about Orapko maybe he wants to play for a team that isn’t a circus and in the NFC East the Eagles fit that quite well. Cowboys & Redskins are circuses and the Giants play a 4/3.

  • cliff henny

    love paying QB 700k. even if Byrd is 12m cap hit, all that does is instead of signing vet o-line backup, just go with a rookie. still have plenty of money to get 3 more batting average guys for 10m-12m total. why cap matters! atta-boy Howie!!!

    • GEAGLE

      Lol don’t make me laugh…trade for Dion sign Byrd and you can draft a brand new OL for all I care

      • oreofestar

        imagine our secondary next year Ward, Byrd, Shields, Verner all of them on $2mil per year salaries because they want rings

        • knighn

          Lol. I can dream… but I’m not delusional! No way all of those guys play for $2 mil per year!

          • oreofestar

            It was a joke

          • knighn

            Just making sure… you can never tell with some of the fans on here!

      • cliff henny

        i wont freak if Miami moves Jordan for 1st and Eagles arent players, also be extremely happy to bring him in. if Byrd sign 5 yrs low 40’sm with about low 20m guarentee, i’ll be pissed if eagles arent players. if it gets in the 50m and near or over 30m and they pass, i’ll understand.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I can’t bitch about not paying 50m, but there is no way I believe the eagles allow the fins to trade Dion anywhere else! Edge rusher is crucial, only way is to get them young, he is as talented and as safe of a decision as we can make with a first round pick. No BRAINER for our gm

          • cliff henny

            if that’s all it takes, we’re assuming it’s only a 1st. starts taking 1st, 3rd and Curry, got a problem.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I’m not down with all that..u can have a first or a second and a player…

          • Token

            But can you explain why he is a edge rusher? What has he shown in college or pros that shows you he is a pass rusher? Not trying to be a dick, but this question is never answered. IMO he has never really shown that pass rushing is a strength of his game.

            The only conclusion I can come to is that people are just seeing a tall kid that had a good combine. His actual play on the field is unspectacular. What should I watch to change my mind?

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t have to when the great Tom gamble stands by him being a stud 3-4OLB :).. And trust me I seen plenty, as in I never seen an edge rusher who can fake inside and then bounce the pass rush to the outside with that type of speed and fluidity and I remember Jason Taylor when he came out

          • Token

            Ok so you dont know why then. You just liked his combine. How does he compare to Taylor on the field. You keep banging that drum but what is similar about thei play?

          • peteike

            werent most of his Oregon highlights, edge rush sacks or pressure more than anything else. Not spectacular numbers if I recall but he was also hurt that last year I think.

  • TNA

    What big-market contending teams need a safety and how much cap room do they have?

    • GEAGLE

      Teams with cap room off the top of my head are Oakland!Washington!Browns, think Rams have money, Chicago needs safety put they undervalue the position so won’t target the best…think the bengals have money and are desirable I guess, think they are dumb for keeping Marvin Lewis and losing Zimmer.

      • oreofestar

        Rams have no money

        • GEAGLE

          Good, I didn’t expect them to pay for anyone anyway when they have two of the first 12 picks to fill two positions with elite talent..they get OT Robinson, and whichever safety they want at 12 or an elite WR

    • oreofestar

      Eagles, Packers are the only true contenders with the need and the space

      • GEAGLE

        Packers like steelers typically aren’t players in free agency, with a few exceptions like Reggie of course

        • oreofestar

          indeed so we are probably the only contender that really get into play but still WAS, JAX, OAK, CLE, MIN, all have money and the need but just are not contenders

          • GEAGLE

            How much money do the bengals have

          • oreofestar

            Oh I forgot about them they have about 30

          • GEAGLE

            They may be a problem, but that owner isn’t a big spender, and they won’t even pay to keep MJ across from Dunlap

          • oreofestar

            well there is Atkins but anyway I am worried about 2 things 1. If Byrd wants to go to the highest bidder or would he take a couple hundred thousand per year less to go to a competitor and if the latter is true will CIN or GB openn up their wallets to make that happen

          • GEAGLE

            I’m more worried about him following his DC to Cleveland then those two franchises. We offer him as much divisional dominance as they do if not more, and we have Chip Kelly, and a sexy roster of Popular NFL guys like Shady and Desean who players think highly of. Plus he could use some sports science in his life

          • oreofestar

            If he follows his DC to Cleveland and we get Ward I am still happy but my thing is if he just wants to go the highest bidder there is no way we outbid the Redskins, Raiders or Vikings, they have too much money and are waaaaaaay too desperate but if the Skins sign him to a 6 year 75mil deal with 40mil guaranteed then that would be great lol

          • OldDocRoss

            Colts might have an interest.

          • oreofestar

            They need to get a lot better at the front of their D and if their interest in Decker is real than I doubt they sign 2 players that expensive when T.Y will be raking in 9mil per year next season and Luck will get more than double that

          • OldDocRoss

            They need to get better on D in general and (unless I missed it) they still haven’t re-signed Bethea. Personally I think they’d be nuts to go after Decker, which isn’t to say they won’t.

            If you try hard enough you could reasons why the Eagles are the only logical landing spot for Byrd (so huzzah!) but I’m trying not getting my hopes up until it happens.

          • oreofestar

            neither am I but I really believe that it may be between GB and PHI

        • Tom w

          Yea but indications are pack may break that trend this yr. still think the raiders offer him ten mil a year for 5 yrs w 25 guaranteed

          • GEAGLE

            Raiders are possible for sure..but if it’s true that they tried to pry away Desean from us and were turned down, maybe they would absorb Mike Wallace’s albatross of a contract as a consolation prize, tying up there money. They are also dysfunctionally interested in adding old expensive Jared allen, who the hell know why…could also see them spend on a top corner..then again trying to figure out what those idiots will do is a fools errand, see the 2013 draft lol

          • oreofestar

            I think McKenzie will not throw money at players the way people think and he may just go on a mid level shopping spree because that roster is bare

          • cliff henny

            eagles should be able to come close to that. if he’s in for total money grab, then think chances of him landing in philly ae slight.

          • oreofestar

            That is my concern with Byrd does he want to play for a competitor because that makes the Bengals, Eagles and Packers his only options or does he want to play for the highest bidder which in that case WAS, MIN or OAK will surely outbid us

          • cliff henny

            Wash doesnt have that much money 29m v 26m. see what happens with Orakpo, but Snyder isnt one to let those guys leave. Oak, let him go there, i’d charge a 15-20% fee to play for them. rest, yeah, think he’s going to see a very similar looking contract.

          • oreofestar

            I just can not deal with this waiting I am waiting for the March 11th headline Eagles sign Byrd for 5 year $12m deal lol but hopefully he takes around 9ish

          • GEAGLE

            Word out of buffalo is that it’s not about the money. Hear they made him a nice offer and that he is intent on hitting free agency and that it’s more about winning For him because he knows contenders will pay for him as much as the bills will…that’s the local word atleast. Locals now want him to walk since he turned down a chance to be the highest paid safety the next two years

          • Token

            The Bills offered him a ton of money. I dont think thats his only determining factor. If it was he would have stayed. I think hes tired of being on terrible football teams.

          • Tom W

            See my comment above that is exactly what I said – it may not be about the money. I was just responding to the comment above about the packers. But that being said, Raiders could blow the bills offer out of the water w 60 mil under the cap. they could offer 10 mil a year w thirty guaranteed …way more than the bills

        • CSpangler

          But Jesus told Reggie to go to GB. The largest offer on the table had nothing to do with it.

          • Maggie

            And Green Bay is even colder than Buffalo, although they might not get quite as much snow most years. It’s even more isolated too.

    • cliff henny
      • knighn

        HA ha. Dallas Sucks!

        • cliff henny

          and that’s with the increase. it’s like racing at Daytons, Howie’s in Dale Jrs CHevy and Jurrah’s driving a Ford pinto

          • knighn

            And Dale Jr is driving that Chevy. Jurrah is still trying to do it all himself!

          • cliff henny

            it’d be like be the owner of Jimmy Johnson’s car, and tossing him out to drive. can hear JJ’s logic ‘ i own 150 papa john’s, they deliver, so i know how to drive’

          • knighn

            As an Eagles fan I find his shtick to be highly amusing. As a human being, I am somewhat concerned by the level of delusion. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: no other GM could go 17 years with only one playoff win.

          • cliff henny

            know some give him credit turning cowboys from 145m purchase price to over 2b worth, but Lurie has done near as well, and no one gives him an ounce of credit. just purchased when stadiums and franchise prices exploded. hope JJ gets loney enough to wear bathrobe and slippers on the sidelines.
            .
            what’s Howie have…thru ’15? not that i think it’s huge concern, should get another nfc east title and home game again.

          • Maggie

            Now you’ve done it! I drove a Pinto once, many years ago, and now I’m visualising it at Daytona! With Jerrah behind the wheel! Made me laugh out loud thinking of him upside down, against the catch-fence, screaming, “Get me down this instant. Don’t you know I OWN this car?”

  • GEAGLE

    Hoping we sign Haushka and just tell henrey to F off

    • OldDocRoss

      just tell henrey to F off

      SOLD!

    • Tom W

      cuz — why do you think we haven’t signed donnie jones yet … whats the guy gotta do to get a contract???

      • OldDocRoss

        We can’t sign him yet.

        • Tom W

          but how come we could sign cooper and maclin .. both of them were unprotected unrestricted free agents?? Is it different w vets on their 3d deals?

          • GEAGLE

            Donnie signed for the minimum, right now we could sign him but only to a minimum contract and he is worth way more then that, so we already have a deal in place with Donnie and are Just waiting for the 11th to announce it

  • Tom W

    Lots of contenders or up and coming teams have alot of money now after last friday’s announcement …

    If Byrd is looking to win in next 1-3 yrs … its gonna come down to Birds or Colts .. outside shot at Falcons/Broncos. Browns w old coach is the wildward.

    Shitload of money but not a contender
    Raiders, Jags, Browns (old coach Pettine wildcard), Vikes, Tampa, Bills, Dolphins, Skins

    Contenders w money
    1)Eagles,
    2) Colts – grigson spends like an ahole and they need help and losing bethea
    3) Falcons (money better spent on oline or dline – unlikely but who knows)
    4) Broncos – (cut champ makes more room — money to DRC?)

    Cheap Teams
    1) Bengals – not bengals way — historically cheap
    2) Packers (not thompson’s way but talk this year they may spend)

    No money —
    cowboyz, steelers saints

    not enough money —
    Niners Chargers Pats Chiefs, Texans Lions Bears Rams

    Don’t need Byrd or other bigger needs/problems – Seahawks Cards Ravens Giants Panthers Jets Bucs titans

    • GEAGLE

      DRC is a top priority of Denver’s and Dqwell Jackson is on his way to Denver right now and loves playing in a 4-3, he won’t be cheap
      ..
      Colts don’t rule out bringing back bathea yet

  • DAS

    Worried that signing Byrd will have a “Dream Team”-esque effect on this team. Anybody else?

    • NickS1

      I don’t see it personally. Our culture is entirey different.

    • Tom W

      No … dream teamers were a bunch of over 30 yr old vets who hadn’t played for reid in the past and took the money bc there was a limited supply of buyers that year.

      byrd is younger, hasn’t won anything yet and grew up w Chip. and its only one signing.

      • DAS

        I’m just worried about interfering with the culture that Chip and Howie have created

        • GEAGLE

          You don’t think Chip will know if he can add a guy who was in the locker room with him at Oregon?

          • DAS

            Oh I have no doubt in my mind that Chip knows which guys he can add to a locker room. But ever since that mess of a 2011 season, I’ll remain leery of free agency. That season flat out sucked!

          • GEAGLE

            That’s silly. Barwin signed a 36million dollar contract, and you owe an entire defense change of culture to him

          • RIP illa

            Don’t leave out my boy C-Will.

          • Tom W

            Why are all idiots flooding the page this weekend?? When did this turn to Philly.com.

          • Maggie

            Philly.com changed to Disqus, so they can all sign in once and move over here.

          • knighn

            Like I said when I noticed the changed… there goes the neighborhood.

          • Tom w

            Ugh seriously????? Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! That is seriously the worse news I have heard this year … Aside from ruin tomorrow’s dumb signings

          • Maggie

            Well, some of those 12-year-olds might not know how to figure it out. Hopefully they will just assume they have been locked out when their old passwords don’t work and go bother someone else.

        • RIP illa

          How many players do we have to pay generously, on too of the players that we have paid generously this year, for it not to interfere w/ the culture??? Seriously!!!

      • Maggie

        All of the dream teamers were not over 30 and some were highly praised throughout the league. They did, however, feel like they did not want to play for Reid and that grossly dysfunctional coaching staff.

        • knighn

          You mean the players on defense weren’t totally psyched to play for the O-line coach and the brilliant head coach who thought it was a good idea to switch his O-line coach to D coordinator?! I can buy that.

          • Maggie

            Partly, but more about the Wide 9 and Washburn openly disregarding his DC and a replacement DB coach brought in over Castillo’s head. It probably wasn’t wise to move Juan over to the other side of the line, but he never had a chance to really try, either. Something like the Houston Oilers coaches openly feuding in’93 (?)

          • knighn

            “How NOT to run an NFL Football Team 101″ by Andy Reid

          • Maggie

            just one final thing that bothered me more than all the others was Andy bringing a known drug-dealing felon into training camp and into the locker room. I’m sorry it was his own son, but it was not some youngster. The guy was almost 30 years old.

          • knighn

            The Garrett Reid part doesn’t bother me as much as others. Andy was trying to get his son back on track and keep an eye on him. Really, it all goes back to whether or not you believe that people are ready to integrate back into society after their time in prison and/or rehab. Sometimes it works (as Mike Vick has shown – or if we’re talking rehab – it finally took with Robert Downey, Jr.) and sometimes it just doesn’t. If you believe in second chances, you give second chances. Hard to believe, but Jason Avant was at one time a drug dealer. Yeah, he found God and grew up, but the point is that he was once on that path. Sometimes, we have to let the sins of the past go and accept that people are more than the worst moments of their lives. They are / were capable of being more. Garrett Reid was capable of so much more… but he just could not beat an addiction. Sad story… but like I said, I try not to blame Reid too harshly for any of that.

          • Tom w

            Wow your cold hearted

          • anon

            Just like we reached for players we reached for schemes.

          • anon

            Yeah you cant really blame the players.

    • SoCalEaglesFan

      Agreed. Something about Byrd doesn’t smell right. He is exactly what Roseman talked about re: giving other team’s free agents a ton of money which creates attitude problems in your locker room from your homegrown guys who get paid less. I really hope to goodness the Eagles pass on this guy. Way overpriced and overhyped and not nearly worth being the highest paid safety in the league.

      • oreofestar

        I want WARD! 5 years 38mil 15 guaranteed

        • Tom W

          Dude your contract proposals are way off. If you are gonna spout nonsense, please go to spotrac.com or abovethecap and look at actual safety contracts and make an intelligent post.

          • oreofestar

            I just looked to see and Antrel Rolle got a 5 year $37mil deal with $15 guaranteed not saying they are the same player but what makes my proposal such nonsense?

          • Tom w

            That was how many years ago? Three? Inflation … How bout the 5 bigger contracts signed in the last 2 yrs …… How bout you start w those … Ward wants to get paid at the top as well … He is just as good as gholdson and weddle and probably better. Start there.

          • oreofestar

            lets say he gets Goldson money is that so much more money than what I said that it made my proposal nonsense and Goldson last year and Ward this year are not that far apart talent wise

      • GEAGLE

        When you have a huge hole at safety for 6years you tell your players raise your hand if you have a problem with bringing in Byrd, and cut the fist player to raise his hand and then ask, anyone else?

        • SoCalEaglesFan

          Just saying what the Eagles own management have said. When you pay outside guys a lot of money you damn well better get it right or you disrupt your own locker room like the last years under Reid. You can’t change human nature.

          Seems to me a lot of fans are too high on Byrd. He’s a decent player. He surely is not the best safety in the league, yet he wants to paid as such. Byrd is not Dawkins. Far from it.

          Paying Byrd that much money might mean you can’t pay Kendricks, Cox, or Foles after next year. At least not all three of them.

          • oreofestar

            He also said he is willing to spend for special players Byrd, and Ward seem pretty damn special to me

          • DAS

            It’s not to say that I don’t want Byrd- he’d be a TREMENDOUS upgrade for the D. I’m simply pessimistic about being the team that signs the highly-coveted, expensive defensive back again because we know how that can turn out!

          • DAS

            …And I value new contracts for our 2012 draft class more than I value Jairus Byrd.

          • oreofestar

            We can easily do both if we wanted

          • Tom W

            We can do both and Byrd already proved he is elite. Cox and Kendrick’s still gotta show us a ton before we get there.

          • anon

            You think any of those guys would have as much an impact as byrd?

          • RIP illa

            Yeah it could turn out as well as Nnamdi…Or as well as Asante!!! You guys are killing me!

          • Tom W

            We have the money to sign all of them. Howie has no excuses unless Byrd just wants the biggest contract possible. Chip coached and recruited the kid … I think he knows him better than anyone in the nfl …. Safe to say we know what we would be getting into. …… And cox Kendrick need to show us all a lot more before we get concerned if we will have money to give them big bucks in 2-3 yrs just sayin … I

          • anon

            He is literally the best FA safety in the league outside of Seattle — and those guys rely as much on the system as anything else. Byrd would change our secondary. We have no problem paying shady, or foles when the time comes we shouldn’t be afraid to pay for talent on defense.

    • CSpangler

      I’m more worried that Chung was able to make $2m+ this season and not have to wear a mask when he robbed us.

      • knighn

        As bad as he was, he was still an upgrade over Nnamdi (scary, I know) who the Eagles paid $4 million last year to NOT play for them. The only thing that allows Nnamdi to show his face in public is his smokin’ hot wife!

    • Fly High

      Signing Byrd for 9 mil would destabililize the team, others would want similar contracts, especially if Byrd was anything else than all world. I also worry about any guy who;s biggest goal is to be the highest paid at his position. Too much ego. I would offer Byrd 7m, let him know that is the highest we can pay and still build a championship team, if he goes for it, he is the guy we want, if not, let him pass.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        There is a possibility that he just wants out of Buffalo. He could just be bluffing them into letting him walk & end up signing for less or the same than what they supposedly offered elsewhere. Let’s face it, it’s Buffalo.

        For the record, not saying this is the case. But it is a possibility.

      • OldDocRoss

        Yeah, I think $7m pa is a shade low but I agree with the principle. No interest in seeing us get into a bidding war with Oakland. If all he wants his money he won’t be here, and we shouldn’t want him to be.

  • David J Daniels

    Hopefully Chip is reaching out (legally of course) to some of his old pupils. In a perfect world, we would trade Graham for Dion, sign TJ Ward ( if available), sign Byrd, trade for Tyrelle Pryor as our backup QB, and at minimum, jack up the price Washington has to pay Orakpo, if we can’t steal him away for ourselves. No Orakpo, but signing Worilds is a good compromise. Three of the above would be an awesome FA period; any more than that and Howie goes instantly into HOF. If this happens, the first person to utter words close to DREAM TEAM gets cut immediately.

    • GEAGLE

      Why stop there? Why not add lamarr Houston! Verner and trade for Darrel Revis while we are at it?

      • oreofestar

        While we are at it Trade for Tom Brady to be the backup, do not forget Richard Sherman and Clay Matthews and we may still have just enough for Calvin Johnson and Suh

        • phillylove21

          “Madden NFL 2014″

          • oreofestar

            ..

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Hey I’d take Barry. What’s he like 50ish. But he did retire early… ;)

  • oreofestar

    I want Red Bryant, TJ Ward and Dion make it happen Howie

    • GEAGLE

      Wtf u gonna do with Red? Bench Thornton? For what? Thorton is already a quality run defender, what are you gonna do bench him and stunt his grow while spending 6mil and for what? Slight improvement instantly if that?

      • oreofestar

        well I was hoping for him as a rotational guy but I guess you are right there would be teams looking to give him starter money I guess maybe an Alex Carrington would make more sense

      • CSpangler

        +1

      • anon

        It’s close enough to FA that people just come out of the wood works.

        • NickS1

          We should just sign every free agent.

    • Tom W

      Is that Will? Long time

      • oreofestar

        ??

  • DAS

    We wouldn’t even be having this discussion had the Eagles chosen Earl in 2011 over Graham *one giant sigh*

    • DAS

      2010*

      • Maggie

        Woulda, coulda, shoulda wins nothing.

    • Tom W

      Dude seriously stop living in the past. Different coach culture draft philosophy etc. first off all the 610 dopes were crying about missing out on jppaul for two years after we got graham. It wasn’t till last yr that everyone switched back to crying about earl Thomas. O well shit happens. Go cry about Paul pierce and Larry Hughes and dick vermeil and twos days during the Super Bowl and Owens resigning and blah blah blah. Howie and hinkie are building winners. Focus and patience

      • DAS

        You’re probably one of those guys who bought Graham’s jersey lol

        • oreofestar

          No he is simply not living in the past and focusing on our bright future

          • DAS

            I’m not focusing on the past! The direction this franchise is headed is straight up and I’m pretty amped to see what our future holds! It just would’ve been interesting had things changed during the 2010 draft!

    • oreofestar

      We have no idea if he would have been the player he is today if he went to the Eagles and we just gotta get over it

  • DAS

    We wouldn’t even be having this discussion had the Eagles chosen Earl in 2010 over Graham *one giant sigh*

  • oreofestar

    Hes tight with Shady they are gonna teammates soon

  • Token

    Id like to see Foles work on getting it out quicker.

    Highest % of passes thrown in 2.6 seconds or more: Foles 61.2%, Newton 59.7%, Geno Smith 59.3%, Russell Wilson 58.4%, Glennon 57.5%

    Longest Time to Attempt: Foles 2.88 seconds, Russell Wilson 2.82, Glennon 2.81, Geno Smith 2.79, Schaub 2.75, Newton 2.73

    • oreofestar

      Hopefully with Maclin back it creates crazy matchup problems and Foles can throw it too pretty much anybody and have a favorable matchup and I do not know how a team would possibly double Desean now

    • Adam

      Agreed. Upgrading the receiver spot will help. Avant and Cooper weren’t amazing route runners and most of DJax routes were long developing ones. If we could get a guy like Brandin Cooks in the 2nd we’d have a great route runner and YAC guy out of the slot.

    • Tom w

      How bout just throwing it away

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I’d agree in the short to intermediate throws, but didn’t we also lead the league in yds/play passing (or one of those stats along that line referencing big plays)? The longer the pass the longer it takes for the receiver to get down field, therefore the longer it takes to get the ball out. I’m sure that would’ve certainly added to those stats.

      • OldDocRoss

        He threw a lot more deep passes than the average bear, but he also had a higher % of attempts behind the line of scrimmage than most. ESPN’s splits actually do a decent job of breaking it down (scroll to “by pass attempt”) if you’re interested, although if you want to compare to other QBs you need to do it manually:

        http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14877/nick-foles

  • jon h

    howie is on the record stating he has challenges evaluating safety. we need to stop taking chances on guys at safety and try to get the closest thing to a sure thing. However, if we pass, perhaps Kelly knows something about this guy that we don’t.

  • Khalid Washington

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy…….

  • anon

    Anyone have thoughts on Brent Grimes Miami won’t tag him. We could rotate with Fletcher / Sconces — could be another way to bring strength to secondary if we don’t get Byrd.

    • Tom W

      Too old. Too short. More likely we wouldmgomfor verner at age 25 based on what howiemhasmsaidmand done.

      • Tom W

        Personally doubt we go corner in a big way outside verner cause he screams value at his age ala shady when we signed him. But I think they like our corners and will pass on big signings. Grimes would cost at least six mil a yr. rotate??? Teams don’t do that at corner. Just bench fletch

        • oreofestar

          You are really undervaluing Grimes if you think he gets 6 per year he got 5.5 last year of an injury he going to get at least 8 probably more

    • oreofestar

      Too old at that price range might as well get A. Verner or Sam Shields

  • oreofestar

    Unrelated I have heard that the offer GB gave Shields was similar to what Tim Jennings got which was about 5.5m per year which mean Shields may be looking for 6-7per year

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Had anyone heard of what the offer the Bills put on the table was? Supposedly it would’ve made him the highest paid safety for “a portion” of the contract. I’m curious if that portion was at the back end of the deal where the team could part ways with minimal cap hit & there wasn’t enough up front guaranteed money?

    Side question…anyone ever heard of NFL teams taking out insurance on contracts? They aren’t typically guaranteed (except for the guaranteed money up front usually) & I’d be curious if a team could do so on a guy like Byrd with his plantar fasciitis that could become worse as the years wear on. I know the Phils insured a portion of Howard’s contract. That’s why they wanted him in better shape prior to his deal. Not just so they helped cover themselves, but also to enable them to insure a portion of his deal.

  • hrtak

    Its clear now –
    Trade DeSean 2 Raiders for 1st round pick xchange
    Use that #5 pick and take Sammy Watkins
    Send 2nd rd pick + Graham to Miami for Dion Jordan
    Sign Byrd
    Resign Donnie “Football” Jones
    Draft BPA
    Win SuperBowl :)

    • oreofestar

      As long as you scratch that Desean nonsense that the Raiders would not do anyway then it is fine

  • peteike

    Byrd, Wolff and Pryor heading into camp would be a nice start to rebuild the back end