Weekend Reading: On Worilds And Saban/Kelly

NCAA Football: Sugar Bowl-Alabama vs Oklahoma

Howie Roseman said Friday that he expects this to be a quiet weekend at the NovaCare Complex.

Speaking from experience, we’ll take that with a grain of salt. But regardless, here is some reading to keep you entertained/occupied.


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We start in the college game where a couple weeks ago we talked about the NCAA proposing some very anti-Chip Kelly rule changes. The move would allow the defense to substitute for the first 10 seconds of the play clock and penalize the offense for snapping the ball before the clock showed 29.

Alabama head coach Nick Saban is in the anti-tempo group, although he told al.com that he had nothing to do with the rule proposal. Interestingly enough, he referenced Kelly though when talking about the subject for the first time:

"In the NFL, what they did is the officials stand over the ball until the officials are ready to call the game. Alright, that's how they control the pace of play. The coach at Philadelphia ran 83 plays a game at Oregon, and ran 65 a game in Philadelphia. So why do they control the pace of play in the NFL? I mean, I'm just asking.

Look, I'm all for what's best for the game. The game is what it is, I don't think any coach should determine, just like when they went to Philadelphia in the NFL and they were going so fast, the officials said, 'We control the pace of the game.' The league said, 'The officials control the pace of the game, not a coach.' So, I'm just saying what's best for the game. That's what Nick Saban is for."

If you're reading closely, you'll notice Saban went third-person while simultaneously referring to Kelly as "the coach at Philadelphia." Impressive on both counts.

A couple points to make here. Number one, Kelly was in his first season with a new group of players. So it seems reasonable to consider he wasn't able to play as fast as he wanted. We'll ask him later this month at the owners' meetings, but the guess here is the Eagles will want to use more tempo in 2014.

The other point is that total number of plays is not the best way to gauge tempo. The Eagles went 7-1 in the second half of the season and oftentimes were looking to milk the clock in the fourth quarter. In addition, the defense was horrible at getting off the field. Both things limited their total number of plays.

The college rule proposal will be voted on later this month.

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Greg A. Bedard of The MMQB recently released a list of his top-100 free agents. Coming in at No. 12 was Steelers outside linebacker Jason Worilds. Bedard also suggested the Eagles as a potential landing spot:

Finally got a chance to play every down when Lamarr Woodley was injured. He showed a knack for getting to the passer, and there is a dearth of 3-4 OLBs in free agency. Best fit: Eagles. Suitors will line up for Worilds. He’d bring instant impact opposite Trent Cole.

The feeling here is that the Eagles are looking for an outside linebacker to replace Trent Cole, not team up with him. Billy Davis values Connor Barwin's versatility, and Barwin is the only true 3-4 OLB on the Eagles' roster.

T-Mac wrote about Worilds last week. It'll be interesting to see if the Steelers allow him to get to free agency.

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  • mrparabolic

    Saban went third-person while simultaneously referring to Kelly as “the coach at Philadelphia.” Impressive on both counts.

    Hilarious

    • Johnny Domino

      Best since “the man in France”.

  • Joe L

    That rule proposal to slow down college football is so incredibly see-through I’d be shocked if it passed in it’s current form.

  • George

    I personaly don’t think we’ll get worldis. He wants a starting spot, and isn’t as versatile as I think we want our olb’s to be. I’d much rather have a jordan/barr type that is athletic and can be molded into whatever we want them to be. of course we will have to sepnd a draft pick on either of those guys, maybe two (to trade up for barr) but i’d rather have two barwins than a coverage lb and a pass rusher. makes our d less predictable and gives o-coords fits tyring to call plays

  • cliff henny

    NCAA better not pass this rule. a huge percentage of college football increase in popularity is due to spread speed highly entertaining games. 99% of the college games i watch, couldnt give a ratzass who wins, just entertain me. plus, find myself disagreeing with almost everything Saban does or says.

    • NickS1

      RE: “plus, find myself disagreeing with almost everything Saban does or says.”

      People with souls often do

  • 76mustang

    Saban likes him some big boy football, just couldn’t succeed in a league with a level playing field (NFL) – you mean I have to play more than 4 away games?? I have to play everyone in my division twice?? I have to play real opponents every week?? People get to vote on where we fit in the playoff picture right??

  • Token

    ” He’d bring instant impact opposite Trent Cole.”

    Jesus. Do they even pay attention at all?

    • James Skip Carl

      No they don’t. They still think Conner Barwin is in Houston and that Trent Cole is 28

    • G_WallyHunter

      Haha so funny reading that, prime example to represent the ridiculously misinformed media members (especially the select few)… Opposite Trent Cole, ya that spot really needs to be replaced…….

      • Jerry Pomroy

        For some reason the national media has this preconceived notion that Cole is the way we want to go at OLB. I think Mayock did somewhat of the same thing when he said that Dee Ford was a guy he thinks the Eagles will target at #22, because “he fits what they like to do”. Dee Ford is practically a clone of Trent Cole & last I looked, Kelly inherited Cole. The OLB they signed after Kelly came aboard was Barwin & the OLB they very much had interest in drafting was Dion Jordan. So I don’t quite get the Dee Ford reference by Mayock either.

    • borntosuffer

      Are there any well-informed national pundits? ESPN needs to make new “Talking out of his lack of knowledge” commercials. They can keep it in house for quite some time with all the knowledge they have. When they run out of their own “knowledgeable” talking heads, they will still be plenty to choose from – if they haven’t hired them all by then.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think that’s Sports Illustrated & the MMQB is run by Peter King. Not ESPN. Unless you’re just referencing ESPN too.

    • ohitsdom

      Ha, seriously. I replied in a tweet explaining that no way Barwin is coming off the field, but I don’t know why I even bothered.

    • mtn_green

      Better read “Barwins backup, or to compete against Cole for rolb. “

  • Mark

    can you imagine this in the last 2 minutes of a game. A team would have to wait until they could spike the ball…

    • JofreyRice

      nah, this rule doesn’t apply to the last 2 minutes of a game or half. I guess at those times, somehow, players have a magical immunity to the devastating injuries going up tempo causes? Baloney rule!

  • knighn

    Glad Sheil addressed the Defense as one of the reasons the Eagles didn’t put up more plays. Very few 3 and outs from the Eagles D in 2013. If they’re better the Eagles offense will get more opportunities and should benefit too! What could the Eagles offense do with an extra two minutes a game?! I wonder…

    • NickS1

      One point that was left out that touches on the 3&Out is that we had our share. Getting into the tempo game requires getting that first 1st down.

      • OldDocRoss

        We actually didn’t have as many 3 & outs on offense as you’d think. Fifth lowest in the league by %, 11th by volume (but only two away from fourth).

        Source: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/three-and-out-percentage/2013/

        • NickS1

          Good info. Seemed like more, but I guess when you don’t have much TOP it seems worse than it is.

          • OldDocRoss

            Yeah, I don’t disagree. I remember having a look at the number of 3 and outs after Foles started because it seemed high but like you say, high tempo and big plays mean short TOP so it maybe just feels that way.

            Be curious to know if there’s a free site that breaks down number of drives by length for each team. Maybe we had a lot of 4-6 play drives. Haven’t found such a site though and I’m too lazy to go through all the game logs to do it myself.

          • paul from nc

            I don’t know of a free site, but do remember article,SheilI believe, showing the high % of Scoring drives under 2 minutes. But I feel the biggest culprit was the D not getting off the field on 3rd and long.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I really think improving the D’s ability to get stops on 3rd down is the linchpin to the team being able to not only sustain the success of last season but also improve, especially since they’re playing a much tougher schedule this coming season.

      That’s exactly why I want a playmaker at ROLB & FS. To force those stops by pressuring from both ends.

      • oreofestar

        Pryor might be that guy in the draft, Barr and Mack will be gone at 22 but maybe KVN or Marcus Smith could be that guy at 54 but in free agency if we are looking for that true difference maker at those positions the only game changers at those positions are orakpo, Byrd and Ward but their horribleteams are looking to keep them hostage

        • Jerry Pomroy

          That’s why I’m so for trading for Jordan if it’s a realistic chance. I’m worried that if we wait until #54, that playmaking OLB won’t still be there considering pass rushers are a premium. Teams know that the draft is particularly deep at WR, so they’ll gamble more on waiting for those guys and take the premium positions. I see both KVN & Smith going somewhere between late late 1st to mid 2nd. That’s why I’d either want to hand select my OLB in Jordan if I can, or trade back no more than pick #36 to take my OLB in the early 2nd & pick up an extra 3rd or 4th. Then I look S/CB at pick #54 which is where a lot of the secondary players project after the top tier go. I really don’t want Orakpo honestly.

          Byrd is the guy I really want in FA. He’s the sideline to sideline CF we’d need to support our big/physical CBs over the top. Yeah they can tackle but too often gave up the catches resulting in 1st downs. Byrd is just the type of guy we’d need because he’s so good at reading the QB & getting to the ball allowing our corners to play the man, while he plays the ball to force a PBU or INT, instead of a completed 3rd down pass & immediate tackle by our corners.

          • GEAGLE

            Jordan, KVN and Byrd and our 3rd down coverage would be scary in the middle of the field

          • oreofestar

            too scary… not happening probably I am really hoping the Browns want Byrd so we can take Ward pair him up with Pryor and give Graham and our 2 for Jordan but the Dolphins will not shop him and take that dead money

          • GEAGLE

            I’m hoping the browns want Byrd and then he laughs at them and says do you actually think I would chose Cleveland over Philly? Is it possible to break free from buffalo and sign with Cleveland or Oakland? Lol makes less sense then lesbians and dildos

          • oreofestar

            I am hoping Byrd and Ward are like lets be dicks in contract negotiations so we hit the market, turn down crazy offers from JAX and WAS take $5mil per year each from Philly so we can go win championships lol

          • GEAGLE

            Lol don’t even put that in my mind..Its bad enough I’m sweating this franchise tag deadlines and I can’t get any damn updates on either

          • oreofestar

            It can happen lol

          • GEAGLE

            If it does…dinner on me!!!

          • paul from nc

            lessies and dildos —- love it

          • paul from nc

            Dolphins are cleaning house and want to stack up on picks. I think they are willing to eat the dead money and stack up on draft picks in order to stay under the cap. Plus, the cap is going up up and up the next few years.

      • TNA

        If a trade for DJ happens, my guess it happens after the draft when rosters become a little more clear. Miami can then trade DJ for a more scheme-fitting LB or fill another weakness if they draft a LB they’re comfortable with. The Wallace trade rumors are a complete joke. Would you rather have DJax, Riley and Coop or Wallace? What a gas. And Wake? Only if they get some high picks in return, which isn’t happening. For most teams, would you rather have Wake or Jimmy Graham? They’re apparently both available for high draft pickS.

        I don’t think the Eagles are a good match for any team that wants 2014 picks for for their players. If there is a team that’s going to land Wake or DJ, it’s likely SF or StL.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Is it me or does anyone else sense some slight bitterness toward Kelly.

    Like almost like he’s saying,…

    “Why did the coach in Philadelphia get that job, but Nick Saban didn’t? Nick Sabin didn’t even get a call to stroke his ego with. Nick Saban is a god for Christ’s sake. He (self reference) is the pillar of excellence and purity in all of college football. He who has made a dynasty and has the subjects (er too much), the followers (not quite), the (eh em) fans, that do not speak his name in vain & come to worship his greatness, umm I mean work each and EVERY Saturday. PRAISE SABAN!”

    I don’t know, maybe I’m just reading too much into it? :)

    • oreofestar

      nah I sense some of that too with Saban, he probably thinks teams should be lining up for him because he is the greatest just for him to them down

    • A Roy

      My understanding is that W. C. Fields never visited Alabama.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        So you’re saying that W.C. Fields had a god complex too??

        • A Roy

          He might’ve. I’m just saying that living and working in Alabama would not thrill me and that Philadelphia would have to be better. Thus, Saban should be hoping for a Howie Roseman to take him away from all that.

    • paul from nc

      But remember, his scholarships are worth so much more than other schools.

  • morgan c

    Saban is just a total asshole. Wow. I legitimately wonder how he can be married to someone and raise children. Great football mind; just seems like a miserable piece of garbage. Hilarious, really, how much of a dick he is.

    • GEAGLE

      Money is the greatest deodorant

  • Philly0312

    So…He isn’t the one proposing or behind the rule change….but he can cite explicit Kelly related figures off the top of his head? Yeah…..

  • oreofestar

    Byrd and Ward have not been tagged yet, is it possible the Browns are cooking up something for Byrd plus they said Mack was top priority I am starting to have a feeling there is a slight chance Ward could be let free, hopefully but even if not our offense is already better before we start free agency and if Jenkins and Pryor are our starting safeties next year that is still better than what we had

    • anon

      Both teams paying $$ but dangerous not to tag at this point.

      • NickS1

        Both teams are definitely playing with fire by not tagging. That much is certain.

        • GEAGLE

          And Howie after all the signings said they absolutely can sign a special free agent still if they hit the market(assuming he meant a safety)

          We are starting to be stacked, wonder if we would sign an older Whitner just so we can seriously compete not? Or will we stick with 26yt olds like Jenkins?

          • NickS1

            Good question, one I don’t have the answer to. Depends if we view Whitner as a solution or a stop-gap. If he’s viewed as a solution, they have to ask the question of how many years do they think he has left at a high level. If stop-gap, depends who provides better risk/return.

          • oreofestar

            my problem with Whitner is how much can he produce outside of the system he played in, if he can play at the level he did last year than it should be fine but if you think he ends up like Golson and his production dips then you should not even touch him AND i THINK THE LATTER MAY END up happening

          • NickS1

            Goldson is in an all-out system change. Whitner would at least be playing in a 3-4 still. Obviously our front seven and SFs are different talent-wise, but not significantly different to the point that it’d be easy to say it would have a material effect on Whitner’s play.

          • oreofestar

            personally Whitner just would not be the guy I taget he is a little older and he will criminally overpaid hopefully by WAS

          • NickS1

            I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I posed the question above. Would Howie view him as a solution or a stop-gap? His age only bothers me if we were considering any length of contract beyond 3 years.

          • oreofestar

            I would view him as nothing more than a stop gap

          • NickS1

            I tend to agree with you.

          • oreofestar

            The only players who are “Yes this is a long term answer at safety” are Ward and Byrd which is why we must continue to pray we get one of them but at least with Jenkins I can say this is a solid player who can play for us for a few seasons

          • GEAGLE

            Unless it’s one of Howies contracts that looks like a 5yr deal but the player in reality would be lucky to see year 3. Howie works the hell out of those smoke no mirror contracts lol

          • GEAGLE

            Think the a answer with Whitner lies in his personality. Kelce talked in depth about adopting Chips mantra of Always working to improve on something, never getting satisfied because there is always something to improve. Gamble knows what type of person he is in the locker room, if Gamble thinks he fits in with our culture, then I could see us try to get him on a 3yr deal that we can get out of in year 3…if gamble doesn’t love him as a fit in our culture, we won’t consider him…no idea what we think of him…but we are starting to have a pretty nice roster in place that’s ready to compete now..if Whitner provides the best play next year, I think we can live with one 29yr old instead of a 26yr old for the sake of contending now, especially since we would still draft a safety, so we would have two young ones to groom

          • paul from nc

            “we’re starting to have a pretty nice roster in place that’s ready to compete now”
            I must have missed some defensive signings.

          • GEAGLE

            Apparently you missed the fact that we went to the playoffs with a bunch of puppies who were playing in brand new schemes..we could do nothing and be better next year. As if we won’t add defenders….

  • Keepingitreal

    um… Trent cole had 8 sacks, all in last 8 games. that’s a 16 sack season if it plays out an entire season.
    how you gonna bench that?

    • Token

      lol

      • oreofestar

        Cole should be starting this year and easing in a guy like KVN or Marcus Smith to take over and then after this year we cut Cole

        • Jerry Pomroy

          The beauty of a KVN is that he can sub behind both Cole & Ryans on passing downs in year 1, plus be your 3rd safety or LB in nickel/sub packages. You’d then be able to see him in a number of spots to find out if he’s your answer at replacing Cole or replacing Ryans. If he replaces Ryans, you can target a pass rushing OLB like the kid from Nebraska (whose name has escaped me) for next yrs draft.

          • cliff henny

            picture KVN more as Barwin/Ryan’s replacement. for a round later, Christian Jones FSU would be better suited to be Cole/Ryans rotation replacement. wouldnt complain a bit if got both in 2nd and 3rd, cooks/beckham in 1st and freak athletic safety in 4th (sort of like Wolff). made about 7,000 mock drafts in my head, maybe 3 or 4 dont have CJ in 3rd, he works on so many levels with Eagles.

        • Token

          If KVN is our future pass rushing OLB then I think we are in a bunch of trouble. Kid looked stiff and unathletic at the combine. If you like him as a inside guy to replace Ryans that I could get on board. But as a problem pass rusher, dont see it.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That’s why I like the scenario of using him all over (if selected) in yr1. I think he’s a much better football player than he is an athletic freak doing drills in the underwear Olympics. Kinda reminds me of a Zach Thomas, Urlacher type as far as heart/determination. But make no mistake, he is a skilled player with excellent instincts and he is an explosive rusher. Have you watched his 2012 games yet? I remember you saying before that you weren’t sold on him as a pass rusher & I mentioned checking out his ’12 game tapes.

  • OldDocRoss

    I wonder if it’s occurred to Sabin or others wanting to slow the game down that, if they’re truly concerned for player safety, a move towards the game valuing stamina and endurance a little more and power and explosiveness a little less might not be the worst thing in the world.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      what the hell give you the idea that Saban, or any coach, or the NCAA cares about player safety at all?

      I hope Malzahn and Auburn rip this clown a new ahole next year when they play.

      • OldDocRoss

        Kinda my point. Saban cares about winning and seems to have trouble doing so against up tempo offenses. Pretty shameful, but not surprising, that he tries to claim player safety’s his main motivator here.

        EDIT: Happy Nick Saban memories…

      • Max Lightfoot

        It’s like Jerry Jones wanting what’s “best for the game” – like expanding the NFL playoffs so even his hosebag team can get in.

  • George

    I’ve been thinking, and if we get jordan and a safety, and grab kvn in the 2nd ands take a flier on colvin, our d in 2 years will be MEAN:
    D-line- Cox, Logan, Ced
    ‘Backers-Dion, Berwin, KVN, Kendricks
    Secondary- Colvin, Cary, Boykin, Ward/Byrd, Wolff
    That’s SCARY

  • Token

    Packers will let Sam Shields test FA. Kinda surprised by that. Coming off his best season I believe.

    • oreofestar

      I love Verner way more but for the right price I wonder if Shields could come to Philly

      • RIP illa

        I don’t get the Verner love. Sure he’s coming off of his best year, but when I watched him play (limited) I saw him get out muscles by bigger WRs and he’s way too grabby. PI waiting to happen. Shields has been playing well, consistently, for longer and is a better athlete and playmaker (IMO).

        • oreofestar

          Like I said I do like Verner more but Verner will also be more expensive and may be paid 2mil per year more than Shields and I would rather have 2mil and Shields than Verner

    • RIP illa

      I hope we make a play. Love me some shields. Just a notch above my cutoff for DBs at like 5’10. Get him to sign a 4 or 5 year deal and draft Gaines or Johnson in later rounds. Have Shields, Fletch, and C-Will compete for the open starting spots. Focus on finding a Safety in the draft, even if we do end up signing Jenkins…Bucannon, Brooks, or convert McGill. maybe Exum if he clears medically. Ward’s in play at safety, but gotta wait for more info on him after his pro day.

      • NickS1

        Yeah, at 5’11″, barely being below Chip’s measurables, I think you have to wonder if Howie’s curious or not. I’m sure he’ll look. Seems like due diligence is his forte.

        • Token

          Fletch is a inch or less taller than Shields. Dont think it would be a factor in this case.

          • oreofestar

            I think height is but overrated and if they like Shields they will not care that is under 6

        • RIP illa

          Yup, Howie always does. But there’s no denying Shield fits all of what the team says they look for in players. Just hope they see it that way. I wholeheartedly believe that he is really testing the market, emphasis on test. Unless he gets a great offer he’s going back to Green Bay.

          • NickS1

            Agreed. And if it were me, I’d take a run at him and try to move on from Fletch, or even try and trade him for a late rounder.

      • Token

        Well lets assume they wouldnt cut Williams because of dead money this season.

        Fletch has no dead money and is in the last year of his deal. Cutting him saves you 3 mil.

        So if they were interested I think you cut Fletch. I dont think Fletch was bad. When he actually played he did pretty decent, atleast it seemed. No ball skills but a solid cover corner.

        Id take Sam over Fletch going forward as a talent. Does he fit this scheme well? I dont know that answer.

        Fletch is just the definition of injury prone. And who knows if hes in the cards after this season anyway. So what salary would Shields get, 5 or 6 mil a year? Still young.

        Go forward with Williams, Shields and Boykin this season. Then next year Williams is cutable with little dead money. So you can either move Boykin outside at that point, or maybe a rookie they draft this year depending on what happens. Its an option.

        Curious to hear other thoughts about Shields as a player.

        • oreofestar

          Shield would get something in that mid 6 per range like 5 years 32ish mil

          • Token

            I had thought I heard he was looking for something like 4 years 25 mil so yea that sounds probably about right. If they can get the hit to about 6-6.5 I think thats good .

            Especially when you consider Cary Williams is getting 6.4 million this year and 8.2 million next year. Cary Williams.

          • oreofestar

            I think Williams is gone after this season no way we are gonna pay him 8mil so Shields would be a great alternative and yeah if we ca get him for 6.5ish than hat is good I still really like Verner but I think he may be dipping into that 8-9per year range so I am not really for that I would rather have Shields for 2mil per season less

          • RIP illa

            Dude that would be money well spent. I don’t see how Verner can get more than him when he’s not a better player.

        • RIP illa

          Nobody can say anything bad about Shields or even downplay how good he has been. If they do then they’re just talking outta their ass!!! He had one “down” year and that was mainly due to injury.

          But there’s no need to cut any CB this year if we do end up signing Shields. We need depth, and the drafted rookie would have no pressure and get to learn from C-Wills attitude, Fletch’s Technique, and Shields all around superior game. Then we could release Fletch let Fletch walk, or not, next year and cut Cary if the team sees it necessary. I’m not sold on many slot CBs this year and we would need to draft one before thinking about moving Boykin to the outside. Then again, I don’t know what the FA market looks like next year for slot CBs.

      • GEAGLE

        If we were to go after a CB I would assume it would be because we think the kid In Tennessee will be special.
        ..
        Anyone hear anything about what round Gaines is projecting to go in after putting on a show at the combine?

        • oreofestar

          I am hearing 4th round for Gaines and yeah Verner is something else

        • RIP illa

          Was a 7th rounder, but the reports were all wrong on him. Made ole serious money at the combine, so I could easily see him moving up to the 5th…at least. I said it before in another post, but I honestly think he showed enough to be a 3rd round prospect! It’s gonna come down to his tape. But you look at guys like Desir and SBJ and how they jumped up through Senior Bowl practices, w/o showing anywhere near what he showed at the combine, not the speed. It was seriously a thing of beauty watching him during drills. I haven’t seen a CN prospect that fluid and ready made for those drills in awhile, besides Gilbert. Those were the two best that day.

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you…yup, lots of interesting corners to be had outside rd 1..love SJB, Aiken I haven’t gotten around to watching liberty film yet but I liked his senior bowl week. McGill won’t be ready to play as a rookie but he has skill and ability we can work with..Desir I like, T Mitch, Chip will know if his combine makes him undraftable or if he is athletic enough to succeed..also wouldn’t be surprised of Billy D sees some Antrel Rolle in Mitch and tries to make him into a FS…Gaines is def a kid I’d be hype to see us add in rds 4 or 5 after the show he put on at the combine

      • oreofestar

        If our secondary was Williams, Shields, Jenkins, Pryor that would actually be pretty good

  • NickS1

    I really hope we could pull off a heist for Jordan that sent our 2nd and Graham or 2nd and Curry. This way we keep our first to trade down and get back the second, pick up Buchannon and a WR or KVN, then a WR or C-Jones in third. Combining this with what we’ve already done, and this makes for a pretty stellar offseason. Imagine if Byrd/Ward did hit FA…

    • GEAGLE

      Rather have our 2nd rounder then keep pick 22. Like the plays in round 2 better and they would be considered reaches at 22…Miami ain’t taking that cap hit for a second rounder. You get what you pay for, it’s going to cost a first rounder if he is available, and that’s more then fine by me

      • NickS1

        That’s why I called it a heist. I don’t want the 22nd either, but if I can keep it in that trade scenario with the Dolphins then trade down to get back into the second with it, I’d take that over just giving up my first. I should clarify, in that trade back the goal is to get a 2nd rounder, or both of SFs.

        • GEAGLE

          Only way I think we have any shot of keeping 22 if they are going to trade Dion is if they want Brandon Graham(Cameron wake is up there in age) and if Billy Lazor wants to keep working with Matt Barkley. If they don’t have serious interest in those players they will get out 22nd, especially since I’m sure they know we would give it to them if they were to play hardball

          • NickS1

            Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I understand that it’s likely costing us our 1st rounder. Just trying to pose scenarios where it doesn’t. Didn’t factor in Barkley ’til I saw the post above. I think that T-Rich trade, as I noted to you above, hurts the Dolphins case at least a little.

          • GEAGLE

            “I ain’t mad at cha”-tupac lol…giving up rd 2 instead of rd 1 is in our best interest so I’d love you to prove correct..like you said, trading our second allows us to trade back from our first and replenish the pick we lost, so hopefully they are high on some of our players that we would be willing to part with so we can have a chance at keeping our first rounder

          • Token

            Giving up 22 for Jordan seems like a rape to me. For the Dolphins. If Jordan came out this year id think hed be a late first rounder.

            If they have any interest in a 2nd and Graham, then you think about it.

          • oreofestar

            I am still all for 2nd and GRAHAM but I am not liking giving up the 22 for a player who as not proven anything

          • Token

            Yea I think it would be silly. Its actually worse then spending it on a unknown rookie. Dion had a year in the NFL and looked like hes gonna have a hard time. But a 2nd and Graham, yea id take the risk.

            What happens with Curry? Really hate to get rid of a kid that is just naturally disruptive. Thats exactly what you look for. Find him a spot I say.

          • oreofestar

            I like Curry he brings some nice depth and he has some potential I think Graham has some good potential too just not in this defense, My problem is I think Miami will want 22 for Dion and that is just a huge hell no for me, I know some people hear disagree

          • Token

            If they are serious about trading him then they have to take what they can get. Id be very surprised if any team gave up a 1st rounder for him.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol ok… Dee ford is worth the 22nd I pick, but a kid we wanted to draft over Lane isn’t lol…gotcha, maybe you would have a point if Chip and Azz were sold on him! but our front office wasn’t! but if you think the 22nd pick isn’t worth a guy Tom Gamble thinks will be a STUD OLB in a 3-4, then I don’t know what to tell you, and we will just have to agree to disagree…

            Your literally insane if you think Dee Ford would be drafted ahead of Dion this year

          • Token

            We have been over and over this. But I still dont get it. Jordan was a part time player in Oregon. And did nothing of note. You draft him based on physical ability and potential. Theres a ton of guys like that which never pan out.

            I get that you fell in love at the combine. I cant deny he has great size and athleticism. But I prefer football players. He has yet to show hes much of one.

            We are looking for a pass rusher. I could care less about ability to cover TEs. Just dont care. If the guy whose replacing Cole isnt a monster pass rusher then the Eagles failed.

            Unless you want Jordan to replace Barwin next year. Then thats something to think about. Tho, I dont think he can play Barwins game either.

            3-4 defenses like ours do not work without at least one disruptive pass rusher. We can gab on and on about versatility all day. Doesnt matter. Your “versatile” guy is on the other side. One of these OLBs needs to be a pass rusher first and foremost. Barwin will never be that. So whoever is on the other side better damn well be.

            BTW, lets call it what it really is. Versatile is the new buzz word describing a OLB that cant rush the passer. Just sounds better.

          • GEAGLE

            Sorry but I’m not taking the bait…the eagles want Dion to rush the passer, period!!! Everything else is bonus

          • RIP illa

            He’d be ahead of Barr. Barr would be ahead of him going into the combine, but then Jordan would show and move ahead. But it wouldn’t be by drastic margins. So it would come down to the argument of versatility…as always. I tend to lean towards versatility, when it that close.

          • Token

            Teams want to rush the passer. As I said below, Versatility is a buzz word used for OLBs that dont rush the passer very well. We dont need anymore of those. I think Barr would go before Jordan because hes better off the ball, has more potential as a pass rusher IMO.

          • RIP illa

            It’s not a Buzz word. I get what you’re saying but it’s not a buzz word this draft. If a number of players were completely devoid of pass rushing skills then it would be a buzz word. However, if you think a player can be versatile while still rushing the passer, then You would take that guy over the guy who can only rush the passer. Let’s not forget that Barr is gonna have to deal with grown man that he can’t out muscle, consistently, and who are athletic enough to mitigate his speed rush. Not trying to totally discredit, just pointing out the difference from being very productive in college v the pros. Jordan was a top 5 pick last year. Barr is a top 20 this year. You can bring up the depth, but depth doesn’t account for the top end talent. So to me Jordan would still be on top.

          • Token

            Jordan was far less productive in college. Isnt as good getting off the ball IMO. Has the same potential problem with strength. And is just not as naturally good at rushing the passer.

            With work Barr could become a high level pass rusher.

            With work Jordan could become a moderate lever pass rusher.

            I think Jordans best possible outcome as a NFL player is a Barwin type. Id be very surprised if hes better than that. Thats a fine player. Just not what the Eagles need right now. Just my opinion.

          • oreofestar

            He is not even Barwin does not have good all around skills although he has more pass-rush potential

          • RIP illa

            I can dig.

          • Maggie

            Just a little bit extra about Barr, from UCLA Bruins website:

            ” Anthony Barr … Born: March 18, 1992 in South Bend, IN … Parents: Tony Brooks and Lori Barr … Dad was a fourth-round pick of the Philadelphia Eagles in the 1992 NFL draft …”

          • oreofestar

            Like father like son

          • Maggie

            Would be interesting if he ever dropped that far. Besides his obvious skills , he played fullback for first couple of years at college, caught some passes as a receiver before switching to defense. Also liked his demeanor on camera. Intelligent.

          • GEAGLE

            First he was a WR now he is a fullback? Like are you doing this on purpose? What’s so hard to understand about him being a RB? You do realize that every NFL player played 13 different positions before settling in at their NFL position? Calling Barr a FB and a WR is like calling friggin Jason Peters a kicker and a punter because that’s what he did in highschool..wtf leave Wikipedia alone, you are getting some bad intel..watch a friggin UCLA game if you are that interested

  • Greenblood 20

    Trent Cole did come one in the latter half of the year, which is completely the opposite of his trajectory, performance-wise, in recent years. Highly unlikely, but maybe COle was really starting to get it, or the coaching staff threw its hands up and said just go get ‘em Trent, because they know he will never be a coverage LB at this point…more likely story , actually

    • Adam

      Wish it were true but don’t see it. A few of his sacks came when he was attempted to be block by RB’s. Some were against some bad tackles too. I think he’s just over the hill. Love the dude, but I’m not about to bank on him to do anything but decline over the next year.

      • GEAGLE

        I still think he can shut down the run as well as anyone we can find to set the edge. So ATleast he isn’t a complete waste since we can’t cut him…but if it were up to me, he wouldn’t be getting many 3rd down pass rush opportunities. He ain’t the answer but has value since it looks like we have to go young at ROLB.

  • Greenblood 20

    Worilds and Dion Jordan lol?

  • JofreyRice

    freaking crybaby. He doesn’t want his players making decisions on D, he wants to be able to get into his sub packages and control the defense from the sidelines.

    To put this under the guise of player safety is sickening to me. No data to back it up. Saban runs one of the toughest programs, and his players usually come out with more wear and tear (including concussions) than other schools, IMO. He wants to win, and it’s clear ‘Bama has had a tough time with teams that go ultra up tempo. Look at what Stoops and Oklahoma did to him. They made Kelly’s tempo look like molasses.

    • GEAGLE

      Hate him! He reminds of the HC version of dirty, smelly Joe banner… Not to mention, I think he is an over rated coach who just wins the recruiting battle by an insanely big margin. I mean, he isn’t exactly a brilliant offensive mind. They don’t do anything special, they run like 8 plays over and over. power run right, power run left, we basic pass plays, and just win off superior talent.

      Even if he really is a good defensive mind, he does a major diservice to his DBs coaching them to crab walk instead of back peddling which is a god darn prerequisite to playing CB in the NFL. who the hell wants to draft DBs who haven’t back peddled since friggin high school if that? Maybe it’s not a big deal, but considering none of his highly touted CB prospects have any major success, I don’t see how the theory can be rules out.
      .,.
      I can’t stand Saban.

  • GEAGLE

    Really doubt we will sign Worlids. Ray Didinger loves him, and hates Dion, but I just don’t see him being interested in coming to philly. He basically told Pitt he won’t stay if they keep Woodly, yet our media is fixated on him, as if he will sign on to split time with Cole, when splitting time with someone is exactly what he doesn’t wants? Stop with the Worlids nonsense…get a new name to be fixated on.

    • oreofestar

      I do not even see an outside linebacker Howie would seriously pursue except a Mike Nealish depth guy

      • RIP illa

        And that’s why I say, just go to the draft…or now, trade for Jordan. FA LBs are nothing special, this year, and will come at a cost of more than they’re worth. Agreed. If we pick up an FA OLB for depth and cheap, then I’m all for it.

        • oreofestar

          draft definitely and I doubt Miami shops Jordan this year simply because of financial reasons, maybe next year

          • GEAGLE

            I wouldn’t be so sure. If you are the new GM, and you have an entire offensive line to rebuild, not a single RB that’s worth a damn, and an overpaid WR who has NO CHEMISTRY with the QB, wouldn’t you want to tear it down and rebuild?..if you are going to rebuild, extra draft picks in a deep draft would be the way to do it…I haven’t heard any plans of them switching to a 3-4, and in that case you can flip a piece that was a bad fit to begin with a year after he was drafted and just admit a mistake on the past regime. A move like that is sooooo much easier when the GMs reputation isn’t at stake. Ireland is fired and you can just pile on and blame Dion on him..

            Because this GM hasn’t drafted the current players, I wonder if he is sold on Tannahill? With Billy Lazor now a Dolphin coach, if Lazor likes Barkley! I could also see them try to get Barkley in a trade for Dion(Lazor worked with him all of last season, maybe he thinks he can work with him),,
            ..
            Of course they won’t take the cap hit to trade him for a 5th round pick, but for a team that practically has to rebuild an entire offense, and doesn’t have this dominant defense it can lean on, trading a misfit defender for an extra first round pick could make the cap hit worth while, especially when they can get a damn good OL or WR with the 22nd pick, when they are so in need of building an offense…and when the GMS reputation is not at stake, admitting drafting Dion was a mistake will not be an issue…All things considered, it may actually be a smart course of action for the Dolphins!

            How long after Trent Richardson was drafted did the Browns trade him? Can’t remember if it was 1.5 years after drafting him, or 2.5 years after they drafted him…they took the cap hit of trading Trent for the 24th pick in the he draft, and they ended up looking like the winners of that trade

          • NickS1

            1.5 for T-Rich. While I’m not as quick as others to write off T-Rich, have to wonder if that trade having yet to bear fruit makes future similar trades even less likely to happen. I think it would certainly be something to consider for the team that would be giving up the pick.

          • GEAGLE

            Sure, I don’t disagree, but that won’t apply when our coaches know the kid they are trading the pick for as well as Chip knows Dion..so it wouldn’t scare us at all(especially with gamble also thinking so highly of Dion as a 3-4OLB), and Cleveland ended up looking smart by trading Rich so if anything the Dolphins would hope for a similar outcome..

            There RBs are horrible. Hartline is their only WR worth a damn that has chemistry with the young QB..who knows, maybe Bryce appeals to them, maybe Lazor loves Barkley! maybe they think Graham can be the heir apparent to Wake in two years as a 4-3DE. Maybe Lazor thinks highly of Bamiro! or Barbre as a stop gap…

          • oreofestar

            Gibson played alright when healthy and Wallace while overpaid can still be a good wr and he was not awful last year he was barely shy of 1000 yards

          • NickS1

            Knowing him mitigates some of the risk in the trade, but it doesn’t eliminate it. And while Cleveland looked smart, T-Rich actually played fairly well his rookie year, while Jordan did nothing. I think their values differ based on pro-level production. I mean, we’re nitpicking at this point, but I’d be more inclined to try to find a trade for a 2nd and Graham/Barkley/Bryce than just hand over the 22nd.

          • GEAGLE

            So would I, but in the end, the 22nd pick for me isn’t valuable enough to keep us from AQUIRING Dion

          • oreofestar

            but I would rather take a chance on a rookie like Pryor, Dennard, Roby, ODB, Barr or whoever at 22 than just hand it over for Dion

          • GEAGLE

            Totally disagree

          • oreofestar

            I know you do but I am thinking why the hell would miami lose money to trade a player unless they thought his trade value would be ridiculously lower next year it makes no sense

          • GEAGLE

            Not sure I would ever think adding an extra first round pick doesn’t make sense. If I have about 7 huge holes to fill, and that’s just one side of the ball

          • oreofestar

            yeah they lose 10mil though

          • RIP illa

            Over the corse of two years or however the breakdown goes. It’s not as severe. Teams do it all the time.

          • oreofestar

            If I am the Dolphins I am waiting til next year cutting the loss at half to shop him

          • GEAGLE

            As if we wouldn’t pay for an extra first round pick if someone was willing to part with it for one of the players that don’t fit our scheme.. Totally agree

          • oreofestar

            Dolphins are better off than people think if they had a decent O Line they would have won 10 games that team has some serious talent and Tannehill aint bad, I think they need to get 3 new offensive lineman but I think they will give Jordan a year

          • GEAGLE

            Uhh if you are the dolphins GM, honestly, how many Offensive players on that roster would you really be happy to have?
            Pouncy? Tannahill has looked good at time.. Hartline?
            ..
            Who else???
            Incognito starting G, GONE!
            Martin starting T..GONE!
            Tyson old OT..GONE
            Jon jerry! Gone, sucks won’t even be in the NFL next year

            They don’t have any quality RBs….it’s not easy to develop a young QB with no OL and NO Run game, especially when they paid a WR 60 million who acts like a dog in the he locker room and has NO CHEMISTRY with the young QB…
            ..
            At the very least they need:
            Two OTs
            Two OGs
            A running back or two or three lol
            A WR
            Could use a TE

            They had a above average defense, but they are choosing not to re sign any of their starters..looks like they will have to replace Randy Starks, and Soliali, they aren’t going to keep Clemons. They paid money for the other safety like a year ago and he turned out to suck, Rashard Jones..and I’m not positive, but the DE opposite of Wake might be a free agent as well…

            So as long as they continue to play a 4-3, I really can’t assume they wouldn’t trade Dion for a more draft picks in a draft that’s strong at positions like OL,WR

          • oreofestar

            they need 4 new lineman and a rb thats it and lets not pretend they do not have almost$40mil in cap space they won’t let Soliali and Starks go they will resign Grimes and Vernon is not a free agent, I think they only shop Jordan if they are getting a firs and I do not want to trade a first for him

          • GEAGLE

            I’d bet anything we would give up 22 if Dion can be had and that’s what it would take to get him…I’m sure we would try to get them to take other compensation, but at the end, I seriously seriously doubt the 22nd pick would be our walk away point…we are talking about the 3rd pick in the draft, who had a bad year, but NO RATIONAL MIND would have EVER expected him to have a good rookie year. He was ALWAYS a prospect that was going to be ATleast one year away from paying off for the team that drafted, and his bad play is even more easy to overlook when on top of all that, they played him out of position….I think of he can be had, and it takes the 22 pick to get it done, Chip would push for it and feel like he got a an absolute steal! And wtf makes you believe they are keeping either of their DTs?

          • RIP illa

            It seems that your making their needs less than what they are. They’re in a weak division and they still won’t overtake NE w/ the way they are now. Their OL is just one huge disaster and needs to be fixed and that’s not gonna happen at the snap of a finger. They do need WR help and TE help and to get all around better on D w/ looming loses in FA. If they take all of their 40 mil and fix it, more power to them, but they won’t spend all of it nor will it be that simple.

            And they are already shopping Jordan!!! The fact they brought him into play in the trade market at the combine means they are shopping him. If they actually end up trading him that’s another story. It’s not necessarily about what they want, but more about what they are willing to accept. Sure they’d start off w/ a 1st…but if no team offers them a first but there’s a team that offers them a 2nd and a 5th, or maybe a 2nd and a 4th, or throw in some players and/or any number of options…they’re not just going to walk away from it.

          • oreofestar

            I can not argue with anything you said I just do not know if they take less than a 1

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, in this case, the trading of our 1st should and will be highly argued. The answer(s) just come down to opinion on the player being traded for. So I really can’t argue against anybody on whichever side. We can only go against irrational or incorrect reasoning. I don’t like too many prospects slated to be at 22 so I’m for it as of now. However I do love me some ODB and battle over not getting him in favor of getting Jordan. We have WRs and WRs will be there later on too…But Shimmy Shimmy Ya, Shimmy Yam, Shimmy Yay!!!

          • oreofestar

            Well it depends if you like Roby, Ford, Pryor, ODB, Dennard or what we can get at 22 more than Jordan

      • GEAGLE

        I see guys that I would want..I just don’t see how it can realistically happen with Graham and Cole both still on the books.

        • oreofestar

          What guys?

          • GEAGLE

            Micheal Johnson ideally, like Everson Griffin to transition to OLB also

          • oreofestar

            Oh yeah I talked to you bout that, Meh I don’t know Griffin will not leave and I would like Johnson although he is not a true 3-4 OLB but then again who knows what Howie truly thinks

  • oreofestar

    Just curious what are your thoughts on Bradley Roby and Darqueze Dennard

    • GEAGLE

      Don’t know who you are asking but I’ll take a stab at it:
      Roby is the guy Whom 365 days ago I was high on us going after this year! and then he basically went on to become the defensive version of Marquis Lee, but he even had a much rougher year then Lee. he had a quality combine but that was expected. I would feel really wary of taking a guy like him in round 1, when I can’t explain how he had such an amazing year, and followed it up with so much struggles this past year…

      Dennard, everyone loves. I wouldn’t take him off our draft board or anything like that, I recognize some quality ability, but considering he doesn’t fit the physical mold of what we know both Chip and Billy want out of their CBs(ATleast 6ft and long), I just don’t view him as special enough of a prospect for us to make an exception and take him at 22…but it’s not like I wouldn’t draft him if he inexplicably fell to another round! the kid does have ability! and even if he lacks size! I don’t view him as a guy like Verrett who is destined to be a Nickle CB….

      If you were to tell me the Eagles took a CB in round 1, I would assume they traded up for Justin Gilbert. He is the only CB we could draft in round 1 that would truly make me feel good about how we spent our first round pick..I know people would disagree, but I could see us go Roby instead of Dennard, but both IMO would be long shots for us. I hate rookie CB to begin with, but I just don’t see their upside as so special that we could have them rated ahead of for example, the WRs that should be on the board when we pick. I can’t see us taking either if say Pryor is still on the board. I don’t view either as having the crazy upside of say Aaron Donald, Mike Evans, Barr, Ebron if one of them were to fall close to us. I damn sure don’t view either CB as someone I would turn down trading back for more picks because I have to have that CB….there are CBs that can be had later in the draft, that I would like more then seeing us take either guy at 22

      • oreofestar

        It was a general question and if Pryor is on the board at 20 I say we jump GB and get him I personally really like Dennard, would I take him at 22 depends what is left if Gilbert, Pryor, Dix, Evans, Benjamin, Barr, Donald are all gone than yeah I would not have a problem with Dennard and Roby was just a guy I was thinking about if we trade down because he might be there still at 25-30 and if we get him and collect one of San Fran’s 2s in the process that would be good

        • RIP illa

          Not on the Pryor bandwagon and see no reason to trade up and get a player of his caliber. That would be us reaching (IMO). Could he grow into or become a great NFL player…sure why not, anyone that we haven’t seen play yet could. But you trade up for great talent and/or measurables that you think can evolve into great talent. Pryor fits non of that criteria. If we could just draft his “hitting shoulder” and then place that on another safety…then trade away :-) You trade up for guys like Clowney, Mack, Evans, Watkins, etc. and generally for QBs, depending on your team needs. I know, it’s only a few spots. But then why settle on trading up for “quote” 2nd best??? Why not just go all the way and trade up for Dix? If you (general use) wouldn’t do that, then how is Pryor worth it???

          • oreofestar

            Well if they like Pryor a lot and he is much higher than what is left on their board why not it is 2 spots, in a perfect world we get Dix but he will long gone, we’ll see

          • GEAGLE

            Fans are down on him, but I still think Pryor would be a hit in this city. Physical kid like him would be well liked here, and if you see Wolffs play compared to his college tape, then our coaches could probably do well with his talents, but he has some redeeming to do at his pro day and individual workouts cuz his combine was crap, but I felt like he was pressing too much(just a hunch)…I’d pay to see his pro day in a comfortable setting

          • GEAGLE

            If we can’t get Byrd, I’d strongly still consider Pryor at 22, because,Buchanon lasting til 54 scares the bejesus out of me…but he ain’t worthy of using two picks to secure…that’s Anthony Barr, Evans type ish

  • Weapon Y

    I wouldn’t mind hearing from Chip about the remarks from the coach at Alabama. Thinking he’s just butthurt over losing to up-tempo Auburn and Texas A&M the past two years.

    • Maggie

      Third party, lol.

  • 76mustang

    Another great read, this time looking at linebackers (if you haven’t read the one on safeties, make sure you do)

    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/3/1/5459504/2014-nfl-combine-tale-of-the-tape-linebackers-dallas-cowboys

    • RIP illa

      Quality. Thanks for the link. Makes me hate Pryor even more :-)

    • Tom w

      Wow didn’t realize how poor a combine that Kvn had … God let attaboy fall as far as he can … Mcshay was going nutz about his tape last week saying his tape is what he expected from Barr.

      • GEAGLE

        What if attaboy would have had a bad combine? KVNs tape dwarfs most LBs even attaboy…KVN was never supposed to test well in my mind anyway…seriously doubt his poor combine takes him off our board. I expect our coaches to like his cerebral, gamer, versatility and Charecter…I didn’t think he needed a good combine to apeal to us, so it may be a blessing…Imagine finding him on the board in round 3,’when a good combine would have had him off the board no later then 28 to the saints….

        • Tom w

          Relax not trying to trash your favorite player just pointing out he had an overall pretty horrible combine at every drill … Would be great if he was there in 3d. Wonder how much of his great tape was related to his WAC competition? Also may make it more likely eagles tap Christian jones before him or barrow after him

          • GEAGLE

            Why would you read a simple statement and come to the conclusion that I need to relax? Just posed a question, I meant no harm and u know I’m high on attaboy

  • Token

    Looks like another moron like me thinking getting rid of DeSean isnt completely out of the question.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Eagles-signings-of-Jeremy-Maclin-and-Riley-Cooper-could-signal-a-DeSean-Jackson-trade.html

    • oreofestar

      Yeah I do not get that, because the team that values offensive weapons so much is going to ship their probowl number 1 wr smh

      • Token

        “DeSean Jackson will be 28 during the 2014 season. As noted above, Jackson just turned in the best season of his career, making this an inopportune time to begin forecasting his decline. However, at some point, Jackson is going to lose a step. Determining when that will happen is obviously not an exact science. However, when Jackson no longer becomes a serious threat to stretch the defense, he does not possess a versatile skill set that will easily allow him to continue to be an effective receiver when he loses his elite speed.

        Through six seasons with the organization, DeSean Jackson has provided the Eagles a very good return on investment. However, there is ample evidence that would suggest that now could be the time that the Eagles try to maximize their return on the back end of his tenure with the team, especially if indeed they have tired of his personality.”

        • Tom w

          His contract is a bunch of one year deals right now. They really won’t be hamstrung at all to get rid of him whenever they want … But talking about it like it’s even a chance this offseason is hilarious at best. Maclin is as good as gone next year bc he wants to get paid Steve smith a very similar wr played at a high level till he was 32 and still going at 35… See no reason to start guessing and trying to create a hole where there isn’t one … Could stay the same about celek cole herramins etc … Part of pkayers getting old.

          • GEAGLE

            I can’t believe Jimmy Kempski wrote an article about it smh..even the good philly media members are absurd half the time. Trading Desean now is a joke of a thought

          • Token

            Its just thinking past tomorrow. I dont think he said Jackson should be traded. Just that its a possibility. For all we know Jackson is the biggest cancer in the locker room. Who knows?

            One thing we can be sure of is Jackson isnt getting paid 24 million over the next two years. So if his deal isnt dealt with soon like we expect it to be, then you gotta wonder.

          • cliff henny

            but jax and FO knew he never was getting paid 24m over next 2 yrs. so to use that a reason for shipping him off is ESPN’y. Jax is not disgruntled over his contract, it was a loaded question because alot of fans dont get into the in’s and out’s of real contract numbers.

          • Token

            Well yea. So if they dont redo his contract this offseason you dont find that strange? I think they will. But if it doesnt happen I think theres a chance hes not here by next year.

          • cliff henny

            it’s not if, they have to. no way is Jax playing gamecheck to gamecheck, eagles arent paying him 10m and not taking a 12m cap hit or 6m dead. both sides have leverage and interests to get new deal done. my issue with ths hypothetical is people are acting like it’s a graham for a 6th type, there’s about 25 if’s before even get to that level. could all this happen, yeah, sure 1%, but there’s so many other storylines that quality writers should be discussing (and use accurate facts, stop twisting d-jax as disgruntled about contract). it’s way to ESPN’y for my tastes

          • Token

            Do they really HAVE to? Jackson plays or doesnt get paid. They may want him to play out this year and see how it goes, especially if a high pick WR is in their plans. Then next year they could trade or unload him for only 2 mil dead. They have the space to have him play at 12.5 mil hit this year. If Djax whines about earning that kinda dough, I wouldnt think it helps his case.

            Could end up being a interesting situation. No reason to get up in arms about it. Youd think they would wanna get a deal done with him soon, before FA.

        • oreofestar

          It hurts to read that we are not shopping him, I am not calling you a moron but come one we are not shopping him

        • GEAGLE

          Kid just put up his best season as an eagle at the age of 27, doubt he is all of the sudden about to fall off a Cliff at 28, and if he is as dialed in as he was last year, he should have a beastly year…then if you see that Mac stays healthy, coop continues to produce, and the WRs we draft seem like they are ready to contribute, then you can entertain trading Desean, but to do it this offseason would be absurd

          • Kev_H

            His ineffectiveness as a punt returner could be a leading indicator of steep decline. I think he’s back for a year, but they’ll draft a wr, and if they extend Maclin, Jackson might be elsewhere in 2015.

    • NickS1

      I even raised the point a little before you did…. Fact of the matter is, until the restructure occurs, which we were told was going to occur this offseason, speculation is legitimate and not without merit.

      • Explorer51

        Nick, I wrote this a couple of weeks ago (before the Cooper & Maclin re-signings) and Jimmy Kempski really makes sense by totaling up the dollars for the WR position. With the wealth of talent at WR in the draft (including DJax types), I don’t see it as ridiculous that the Eagles would even consider a possible trade. Here’s my earlier post:

        Just to be provocative, and not saying I’d like this at all, but is it possible in any universe for this to happen:

        Because DeSean Jackson is set to make $10+M this year, and because he may be (assumed not confirmed) unhappy with his lack of contractual security; and because there are lots of big, fast WRs in this draft; and because there’s a quick, little multi-purpose Chip Kelly guy (DAT) potentially available as a later round pick…could the Eagles do an unexpected trade of Jackson for picks in this talent-rich draft? After a career year, his trade value may never be higher and I’m not sure I can see them paying him in the $12-15M range he may want for future years when they may be able to lock up a future #1 WR in this draft for much less money over three years.

        Obviously a huge gamble (no pun intended on our own front office Gamble) but who knows with Ch

        • Explorer51

          That was supposed to be Chip.

        • NickS1

          I think I remember this post, now. You’re ahead of the game, good sir. The thing is, and I know that no one wants to see it, but it’s not like it doesn’t make sense.

    • NickS1

      Could we see Byrd for D-Jax??? Won’t happen, but it’s fun to think about.

      • GEAGLE

        Robbing peter to pay Paul…why? When we are like 36hours away from hopefully being able to have a shot at both

        • NickS1

          I was kidding.

    • GEAGLE

      No comment

  • Kev_H

    I heard Kelly address this issue during the season. He said that in general the opponents were able to successfully handle and prepare for the up tempo and it wasn’t necessarily providing an advantage. If I remember the quote right (think I heard it on NFL radio on Sirius) he said defenses were able to do what they wanted to do. That makes sense because the NFL is at a much higher level than the college control freaks like Nick Saban and Alabama. Kelly’s the kind of coach who seeks the advantage in every situation. Saban seems like the more traditional, set in his ways, coach who fears change.

    It’s clear Kelly’s approach isn’t speed for speed’s sake, but the earlier the Eagles’ line up the more likely they can catch the defense in something and they generally have more flexibility. That’s probably a great advantage in college where many of the players are dim bulbs thus the 83 plays per game.

  • PaoliBulldog

    Who is the last UFA the Steelers regretted allowing to walk?

  • GEAGLE

    Another cheap depth addition we could have interest in is Chargers Backup FS and ST standout Darrel Stucky, 5″11 212lbs 26yrs old…a better ST player then Coleman, and a better emergency safety as well. Chargers will try and keep him….nothing to get excited about as a defender, but because we care so much about ST, backups who bring it on ST are players that could interest us

  • ICDogg

    I tried to ask this once before but only got a couple of responses.

    Yes or no question. Take-it-or-leave-it deal offered, you don’t get to counter.

    We Get: Dion Jordan and Miami 2nd.
    Dolphins get: Philadelphia 1st.

    That’s the deal. Do you take it, yes or no?

    • JettMartinez

      Sure, but I doubt the Dolphins would take it. They’re going to want an extra pick, not just moving up 20 some places. He may not be a fit in Miami but he was the 3rd overall pick just last year. I’m think more realistic is the Eagles’ 2nd + a player. Graham or Cole maybe?

    • GEAGLE

      I would expect the deal to be, we get Dion, they get our first…or we get Dion, they get our 2nd and BG….if I would take those deals, hell yeah I’d take yours

  • George

    He, Kids, look who I found lol

    • GEAGLE

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this made my morning. I don’t even want to know where you found this

    • cliff henny

      well, i do what to know, so i can stay away

  • Nfl All Day

    At one point I was trying to pack Trents bags, but when you realize how much better he played as the season went on. He stacked 8 sacks in the 2nd half of the year (granted 3 came vs. Chicago). And then consider that John Abraham got 10 sacks for Az in his first year playing 3-4 olb at age 35. Trent has never had any serious injuries in his career and takes great care of himself. There’s really no reason to doubt if he’ll be productive the next 3 years. Just whether it’ll be in Philadelphia.

    **Side note*** Trent weighed 236lbs coming out of college, he now plays at 270lbs. Keep in mind when someone cries about how undersized Kendricks is.