Eagles Wake-Up Call: How Would WR Pieces Fit?

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Update: The Eagles announced Friday afternoon that Jeremy Maclin is in the fold on a one-year deal.

From earlier:




The Eagles' wide receiver situation got a little bit clearer Thursday morning when the team announced it had signed Riley Cooper to a new deal.

But there are still a couple chips left to fall. The Eagles are looking to get something done with Jeremy Maclin, and at this point it would be an upset if Jason Avant were to return.

As we wait to see what's next, it's worth exploring how the pieces might fit.

"I don’t know. I have no idea," Cooper said, when asked how things would work if Maclin came back. "The only thing I can possibly think of is I'll either be the number three - cause they’re both great players - or we’ll just do maybe some more subbing, a little bit more high-tempo, get fresh guys in and work on that. But I honestly have no idea. I don't know."

Chip Kelly has not addressed the media since the day after the season ended, but chances are his response would be: "They'll compete." And that's fair enough.

But Avant spent 359 passing downs in the slot last year, per Pro Football Focus. That was fifth-most in the league.

The guess here is that if the Eagles were to let Avant go and move on with DeSean Jackson, Maclin and Cooper as their top three wide receivers in 2014, they wouldn't have a defined slot receiver. Jackson, for example, ran 26.5 percent of his routes out of the slot last year, a career-high. And he caught 28 of 34 balls thrown his way (82.4 percent) when lined up in the slot. Jackson is not going to make tough catches in traffic, but he can create mismatches inside and stretch the field.

Maclin, meanwhile, was in the slot 31.6 percent of the time in 2012 (27 catches for 385 yards). Again, he's not someone that has proven to be effective at out-muscling defenders for the ball in between the numbers, but he can still be part of the solution.

And don't forget about Zach Ertz. He's a receiving tight end first and foremost. As a rookie, he lined up in the slot 42.8 percent of the time, per PFF.

The point is Kelly will likely mix and match. Slot receivers nowadays come in all different sizes, shapes and skill sets - from 5-9 Wes Welker to 6-4 Marques Colston. Kelly made a big deal last spring about wide receivers knowing all the different roles within the offense. And we saw during the season that he would switch up where guys would line up.

It's only February 28, and the Eagles still have plenty of moves to make. They need to come to a resolution on Maclin, see if any free agents fit and explore a wide receiver-rich draft in May.

But based on 2013, Kelly has some toys he knows can be effective in different spots.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Cooper says he's proud of himself. A lot has changed for the WR in seven months.

T-Mac takes a look at Cooper and the value question.

According to a report, Maclin is looking for a one-year deal, but the team wants a longer-term agreement.

The Eagles signed Jason Kelce to a deal that will keep him here through 2020.

"A five-time All-Pro rabbit in a bear suit." T-Mac on the symbolism of the Jason Peters signing.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com looks at the sacks the Eagles gave up last year. He attributes eight to Lane Johnson:

Lane Johnson's season started off shaky, but he settled down as the season progressed. In his first 4 games, Johnson was physically beaten for a sack 3 times, as he struggled quite a bit against the Chiefs and Broncos. However, over the last 13 games, he was physically beaten for a sack by an opponent he was trying to block 4 times. Jason Peters was also beaten 4 times over that same span. Early struggles for a rookie OT are to be expected, but Johnson's improvement as the season progressed was very encouraging.

Phil Sheridan of ESPN.com looks at the Cooper signing:

Cooper also avoided visits with other teams where he would have to answer unpleasant and difficult questions about last summer.

Instead of having to explain how and why he was captured on video dropping a racial slur at a concert, and convince new coaches and teammates that he's really a decent guy, Cooper remains with the one team that has already dealt with and moved on from the incident.

COMING UP

It's been a busy week. Could we get some Maclin news today?

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  • cheapmeat

    What’s the over-under on ‘years until’ Avant is on the coaching staff?

    • Andy124

      2.5 and I’m taking the over.

  • cliff henny

    for most part, put Jax, Mac and Coop in a 3 man outside rotation. move them around some, but none are true middle slot guys. dont have breakdown, assuming most of Avants 38/447/2tds were from slot. draft a Beckham or Cooks (or Landry, huff, campanaro later) and those numbers (yards/TDs) will be doubled, maybe tripled.

    • Andy124

      I think all 3 of them can be effective in the slot but I still maintain that out of all of them, Maclin has the best potential there.

      I noticed something yesterday.
      DJ had 1,000+ yards last year.
      Coop was at a 1,000+ yard pace last year with Foles at QB.
      Maclin was at a 1,000+ yard pace two years ago with Foles at QB.

      Probalby not enough balls to go around, but it’d be pretty cool to have 3 1,000+ yard receivers.

      • George

        happened in zona their sb year…

        • Andy124

          Yes, but there weren’t a run first offense like we are.

          • George

            fair enough, just pointing out that its possible.

          • Andy124

            Yup.

          • knighn

            Correct. Call me crazy, but right now I’d rather see two 1000 yard rushers than 3 1000 yard receivers.

          • cliff henny

            i vote for both

          • knighn

            Damn, that would be something – 5 players racking up more than 5000 yards?! Still, I think that CK is going to have Foles spread the ball around a lot in this offense. Can’t see more than two receivers putting up 1000+.

      • cliff henny

        agree with ‘potential’/on paper. but we’ve all seen him play. unless that new ligament comes with an increased toughness gene, he’s most comfortable outside. when Jax lined up in slot or backfield, the routes were designed to get him to sidelines (which is fine). a true slot/middle guy catches seams, goes N/S. know Kelly doesnt want to pigeon hole anyone as X,Y or Z guys, more of a skillset. specifically, when Eagles go 3 wide, defenses man press single safety, i want Beckham or Cooks catching slants, 1 guy to beat and it’s a-hole and elbows.

        • Andy124

          I have a guy feeling that Maclin can play ‘tough enough’ there. I think the new regime, new culture, year away from football and potential contract year all make that more likely.

          • cliff henny

            just wonder how hard it is to change a mindset. Mac wants to get to the sidelines. need a guy like Cruz, who catches, turns upfield squeezes thru arm tackles, has knack for avoiding knockout hits while getting 2 or 3 yards on his own to get 1sts. i hate the guy, but few were ever better at catching it short of a 1st on 3rd and YAC’g for a 1st. tried it once with Jax, didnt work-think it was AZ game inside own 20, like 3rd and 9, caught drag over middle needed to turn and drive and dive for 1st, he danced to sidelines and got tripped up.

          • aub32

            I think the major difference is that CK won’t let players get away with things like that. Look how he dealt with DJax. He pretty much got rid of the fumbling issues. He had Cole doing his best despite being out of position. Maclin had to just sit back and watch this offense go. I am sure he understands that to play for CK and earn that big payday, he will need to bring that extra toughness we have all been longing to see from him.

          • anon

            See Jackson in that saints game trying to stretch for that TD — he’s too small so he got knocked back, but that was more effort than i’ve seen from him in a while.

          • aub32

            Did you see his TD catch in the pro bowl. The guy is completely dialed in to football right now. I can’t wait to see what he can do when teams have to worry about some of the other players in the passing game.

          • Yes_General

            You really think those players care in the pro bowl. I wish he would of dialed in against the saints but of course thats asking for too much.

          • cliff henny

            think kelly’s offense gives Jax more space, so he was little more comfortable making catches, but neither is near a Cruz, and that’s what offense missed. i’m not bashing Jax, guy is limited, but he is awesome at what he does. think Mac is cut from same cloth, just not as good. again, fine, kelly will have him destroy #2/#3 cbs. i’m not picturing either getting to point of running between numbers. Cooks or ODB would be ballzout beasts with jax and Mac flanking and Ertz on otherside and shady being shady.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Yup. But ertz, celek, and shady will get some of those touches too.

        I’ll settle for a 4000 yd thrower, divide up those catches/yards as you see fit :)

        • aub32

          Only 4000? Way to not buy in to our franchise QB

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            well, that’s in addition to his 1000 yds rushing as well

          • Andy124

            and the 1,200 yards Barkley collects in garbage time of our blowout wins.

          • aub32

            That makes much more sense. I didn’t get how rob had us under 500 yds passing.

          • EaglefaninAZ

            I just spit up my beer. Thanks for that.

    • GEAGLE

      Waves of athletes coming…you can’t stop the rain

    • ohitsdom

      If Cooks is there at 22, that would be awesome.

      • cliff henny

        think Cooks is available in late 20’s and comes with extra 3rd.

  • G_WallyHunter

    What are we looking at here?
    If Avant accepts a pay cut to $1-1.2M this year (or even 800k, but that’s a slap in the face), do they keep him?
    Or is he just gone and the writing’s on the wall?
    I hope he sticks around, I would think his leadership and 1 circus catch a year is worth at least a million.

    • oreofestar

      Avant will only be back with a salary of <2.5m

      • G_WallyHunter

        I set it low at 1-1.2, 2mil works too. I really hope they just cut the 1.96M and pay him 2 and that’s that. I guess depends what happens with Maclin here. Let Maclin walk, keep Avant for 2M, and draft a stud in the second or third, that scenario would work.

        • Max Lightfoot

          Would also like to see Avant stay. Love Jeremy, but the man has had two ACL tears in his right knee so far. Thinking about that kinda makes me wince, having my own knee scoped last week – during scope, doc declared “Wow! Haven’t seen that before!” Turns out I have this black-hole-in-space crater where cartilage outta be. What the hell – could be lots worse. :•) Go Eags!

    • aub32

      I personally don’t think money is the issue. He doesn’t fit this offense. Kelly’s MO has been to get guys the ball in space and let them do the rest. DJax caught more than 82% of passes thrown to him when lined up in the slot. What does that tell you? There isn’t a big need for guys to catch balls in traffic because Kelly’s route combinations are going to afford our WRs so much space. We have 5 pass catchers that have already proven that they can do much more with the ball in their hands than Avant.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Good point. So he’s cut and asked to come back and coach?
        Or takes a 2M paycut and comes back as a wr4 or wr5 and subs in from time to time?
        Who knows, really interested to see what happens and how the FO handles this

        • aub32

          My guess is that he still wants to play. So I can’t see him coaching just yet. He still has value to other teams. However, if we do resign Mac and draft a guy or 2, that makes him 5 or 6. I don’t think he’d even want to come back just to be inactive.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Exactly ya, sort of a slap in the face but its too bad his production wasn’t just a little better, all it would take.

  • Jeff Asay

    Avant has to go if for no other reason than we need to obtain a returner at the WR position. Leadership alone doesn’t get you a roster spot.

    • James Skip Carl

      You can sign an UDFA who would bring more to the team, he just can’t run.

      • Token

        Avant is one of the more overrated Eagles in my lifetime. Hes a great guy. But hes a run of the mill WR.

        • GEAGLE

          That’s not fair…he is a class act second tier fan favorite Eagle like Ike Reese…no, Avant can’t beat man to man to save his life, but he still very effective as a crafty veteran who knows how to sit down in zones, reliable 3rd down target with a knack for working middle of the field(although his reliability took a hit last year)..probably never really had the ability of a 3.5m,guy, but he was a decent addition in the past….not sure how much he has left, but even last year he found a way to contribute to winning games(Detriot)…now I’m not suggesting we keep a blocking WR, but Avant contributions on and off the field should be respected…our friggin season could of been up in smoke in that locker room without guys like Avant and Vick..

          • Token

            Great guy. Nice average WR. He already got paid once for being a good guy. Time to cut the cord.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s also fair… Lol

          • Richard Colton

            Can’t lead from the bench. Time for the next generation to step up – I see a lot of leadership potential in FOles, Kelce, Boykin. Meco has already established himself in that department. We’ll be OK.

    • Andy

      Yeah but remember ten years ago the Eagles’ wide receiver situation was a total nightmare. With the exception of a brief interlude with TO, there wasn’t much to speak of. Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell and James Thrash before TO, and Reggie Brown, Kevin Curtis, and Greg Lewis after TO. Avant was drafted in 2006 and was as good as any of those other guys. Drafting Jackson and Maclin changed the picture pretty dramatically.

      • reb

        wow, that was a walk down memory lane! James Thrash – there’s someone I hadn’t thought about for some time.

  • TNA

    In search of 3rd and 4th WRs (not necessarily WR3 and WR4), what attributes would you prioritize? Speed? Quickness? Length? Size?

    I think the priority is getting a sizable WR who is smart and committed to blocking. DJAX can stretch the field. Coop can block and take advantage of single coverage. Ertz and Celek can both block and catch and stretch the field against LBs and some safeties. Getting another good blocker type would make opponents have serious problems getting to McCoy.

    That said, getting a guy who runs good routes and can out-quick DBS and LBs would help minimize the coverage sacks which plagued the team in big moments at the end of the season. Of course, Foles like most QBs, likes big targets when in a bind, and length may be as valuable as quickness.

    It seems like the draft is full of “big” receivers – but will that translate to being effective blockers at the NFL level?

    • Stuart Philp

      I think between Coop and our TEs we’re doing okay in the blocking and size departments. We have the speedy guy in DJax. I think we need a guy with sure hands, very athletic (not necessarily a burner but can make DBs miss, and make some circus catches, etc.)… basically catches any ball thrown his way.

      Maclin has been that kind of player imo (aside from The Drop), but it remains to be seen how he comes back from injury.

  • GEAGLE

    Darren Sharper has been accused of two more rapes, upping his grand total of 4, and we are losing a class act like Avant smh..wish there was a way to keep him a year, but it seems over…btwnsharper was arrested (warrant)..we have reached serial rapist territory…

    • G_WallyHunter

      I just read it brings his total to 8, damn, what a doofus

  • Token

    Assuming they would still take a high pick WR.

    You have the rook starting as your “#4″. But works his way into the #2 spot as the season goes along, you hope.

    So Jackson and the rookie primarily on the outside by the end of the year. Maclin doing the majority of his snaps from the slot while playing some outside. Dont know why its assumed he cant work from there. That was who he was coming out of college. Cooper would end up getting his snaps outside still.

    Then by next offseason it could be interesting. Lets say the rookie looks good. Maclin comes back strong. Cooper gives us another solid season. Its not out of the realm of possibility to trade/release Jackson. I have to believe that if the Eagles dont redo his contract this offseason, they must be looking at him being gone next year as a possibility. Since his dead money would be low while still at a crazy 12 mil cap hit. He would be a little guy thats 29 during the 2015 season, wow time flies.

    • cliff henny

      because Mac falls to the ground when someone gets within 3 yards of him. we’ve all remember his ali-gator arm games too at the end of ’11. Atlanta specifically.
      .
      guy just comes off career year, defenses all have to gameplan for still blazing speed, opens the whole offense up, and hear non-sense about moving on from Jax. he isnt going anywhere for 3 or 4 years.

      • Token

        Wow you are way to emotionally attached to Jackson. Did I say send him off? I said its a possibility. You can only pay so much to that spot.

        I am tired of that narrative tho to be honest. The opens up the offense crap. Jackson was shut down completely in the two last games, like he tends to make a habit of in big games. Single covered. Thats why id like to still see a high pick opposite him.

        • cliff henny

          not emotionally attached to anyone, nice spin on a dumb a hypothetical. generally i’d just downvote you…thank disgus. he was shut down because defenses didnt have to respect anyone opposite. hope teams try that again with Mac and a Beckham running free. one thing to not repect Cooper, those 2 will hang 6 in a hurry

          • Token

            He was single covered. It doesnt matter what the defense thought of anyone else. Allen shut him down. Now Cooper had 6 for 70 and a TD in the Saints game. It would be nice to see like a Mike Evans out there in those games tho.

          • anon

            Jarvis Landry is my guy (Evans is really my guy but i just understand that’s not going to happen). Obviously Cooper looks good — no one cares about covering him.

            Lots of time the play isn’t supposed to go to Jackson he opens up all that underneath stuff for Ertz, Celek, Cooper, plus he’s pretty special coming out of the backfield.

          • Token

            Jackson is brutal coming out of the backfield. I hate those plays.

            Theres things Jackson does well. But everyone acts like hes this complete weapon. hes not and wont be. And thats perfectly ok. Having a great option opposite him can only help.

          • anon

            Did you see that reverse in the Vikings game?

          • Token

            No dont recall. Jackson has like 50 total yards from the backfield in the last 3 years. Ive never heard anyone say that was a strength of his.

          • NickS1

            I think you’re reaching, now. Dude’s a top 10 receiver. The current situation raises an eyebrow, I agree with you, there. But I’m not about to co-sign on this nonsense.

          • aub32

            Are you forgetting the times where he broke off a big run only to have it called back? I don’t think you are giving him enough credit.

          • cliff henny

            beauty of kelly and his offense, think there’s about 12 guys that’ll crush it in this offense. no one likes Evans more than me, but he’ll never get to 22. if Barr is gone, Beckham, Cooks, Matthews, Adams and Benjamin are all still available, i’d just trade back and stock up picks. dont think it matters, all 5 will be monsters.

        • aub32

          Did you watch the season? Did you see some of the walk-in TDs we had because DeSean went in motion? Try looking at the all 22 sometime. The guy can’t help it if Foles wasn’t his best the last 2 games. Jackson can’t throw the ball to himself. We lost the battle upfront against the Saints. Foles got off to a very slow start. Some of you act like even the best receivers don’t have unproductive games.

          • anon

            #GiselleQuotes. You gotta be impressed by the effort that Jackson put in over the course of the season — the Vikings game alone tells me he really wants it. He had a couple of monster plays in the saints game — you can tell he wants the ball. His mindset is different when not playing on trash teams (and when his $$ is right).

          • aub32

            Exactly. I hear an interview where he said he’s even putting the rapping thing on the back burner to focus on football. The guy has always had the talent and drive. I don’t fault him for trying to protect himself and getting frustrated in 2011. Look what happened to Maclin. I have no doubt Jackson will be in the Eagles ring of honor one day.

          • NickS1

            He should consider placing that rapping thing in the trash after it cools off from the back burner.

          • aub32

            Hahaha. He’s not very good at it, but I won’t knock anyone who wants to do what they love. Plenty of guys have side businesses.

          • anon

            Matt Elam is working at a footlocker this summer because he wants to start a sports apparel store when he gets done in the league. Smart guy — plus probably the easiest way to make fans.

          • NickS1

            Maybe he just keeps it to himself, then? I don’t know. That was horrid, though.

          • aub32

            Or maybe he just works behind the scenes and helps produce guys that are better on the mic than on the gridiron.

          • cliff henny

            the video is great. like a flashback to the late 90’s, rolling in the limo with hotties rapping about all his money

          • NickS1

            It’s something alright haha

          • knighn

            When Eli Manning can rap better than you… it’s probably time to give up the rap career.

          • aub32

            In Jackson’s defense, I don’t think Eli writes his own material.

          • knighn

            When writers can make both Eli Manning and Peyton Manning look like better rappers than you… it’s time for you to give up the rap career.

        • Adam

          Hey Token, everyone here’s pretty tired of your holier than thou attitude like you’re smarter than everyone else so how about we call it even?

          We don’t entertain the idea of trading out best player at a position until we are absolutely sure we have someone even remotely close to being able to replace him. It has nothing to do with being emotionally attached. It’s called common sense. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean everyone else is attached. Would it be nice to have a Mike Evans, yeah sure. But we don’t have a top 10 pick and it would dumb to give up a 2nd rounder to move up that high with a receiver class this deep.

          • Token

            aww. Sorry you cant have a conversation without feelings getting hurt. We are talking about DeSean Jackson and our WR corp. Not your family. Get a grip.

          • aub32

            I think his point was that you often take things away from football. It’s unnecessary here. We may disagree, but that’s what makes it fun. Just because a guy has a different opinion than you doesn’t mean he’s not looking at things from a football stand point. I won’t try to tell you how to comment. I just think things would be more fun if we stick to football reasoning instead of saying fans, who we don’t know personally by the way, have some sort of agenda. We all have players we like. That doesn’t make our points about them any less valid or based on what actually happens on the field.

          • Maggie

            Totally agree. All are welcome to their opinions. Another commenter on Lawlor’s site said something like he didn’t care if someone was suggesting drafting leprechauns from Ireland they are still entitled to venture a comment.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            dude, forget the emotional stuff. you missed the whole point in adam’s post about common sense. why are you messing with hypotheticals now, in february, working under some major assumptions that:
            (1) DJax, Coop, Maclin (still unsigned) and a rookie (still undrafted) are going to have big years next year
            (2) between now and then, Djax won’t be resigned/restructured anyway
            (3) even if everything you say about ’14 were to happen, that Chip and Kelly will refuse to invest in what may be the most critical component to Kelly’s offense (having talented depth at WR)

            when you get called out for bringing up moronic topics, an acceptable defense is not to double down on the “we’re all emotionally invested fans” card. just don’t be dumb

          • Andy124

            Devil’s advocate,
            He’s backpedalled to the “I’m just saying it’s a possibility” stance. In the sense that anything is possible, this is a true statement.

            But it’s kind of like spending time pointing out that you may die tomorrow. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely enough to make the unpleasant topic worth a discussion? Not remotely.

          • Token

            If you look at the first post I made it in no way shape or form said that I think Jackson is gone or should be gone.

          • Token

            I dont see how its moronic at all.

            Id say its pretty relevant to the topic. Some just cant think past tomorrow.

            And it is Feb. What the hell else are we supposed to talk about wise one? 40 times?

            Id say its a you problem if you get bent out of shape when the possibility of getting rid of a football player gets you all huffy puffy.
            Do you think if Jacksons deal is not dealt with before the season that it means nothing? I just dont know about that. I think its relevant.

            Theres one easy option for those that dont want to engage in discussion about anything I bring up…..ignore my posts. Dont post in response to me. Simple. Easy.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            For the most part, I don’t mind replying to you. Oftentimes you have fun and logical parts to add. But when someone challenges an opinion you hold, the defense is always that we’re all just too invested emotionally to see things as clearly as you.

            Hopefully, DJax is restructured in the coming weeks anyway, and this is all a moot point. And if you do want to go down that rabbit hole, the more likely candidates to go before DJax anyway would be Cooper after ’15 (even if he gets buried next year because of a rookie breaking out, as if that’s so awful), or Maclin; even if he has a good year on a 1yr deal, he’ll (rightfully) chase his money elsewhere.

          • Token

            O I gotcha. Maybe ill try to word things a little less pompously, unless im talking to Geagle.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            now you’re talking my language. of course, it’s his world, we’re all just swinging on those nutz :)

          • anon

            That wasn’t his point. His point actually makes some sense — especially since DeSean wants to restructure — i just don’t see it happening.

            Too many feelings on this blog sometime.

          • Token

            I personally think they do a new deal before the season. That would make sense. Get his cap hit down, throw some bonus money at him which is what he wants anyway. It still leaves you in a situation next year. But its possible they may not even be thinking of a WR early. If they get Mac and Coop under contract they may be fine with adding a middle round guy. I dont like that plan. But its possible.

    • aub32

      Sorry, but I don’t see a scenario where they trade Jackson. Even if Mac comes back strong, it would be the likely outcome that Mac would be the one traded. DJax is a special talent. Some of you dismiss or downplay him as just a speed guy. However, there are plenty of really fast guys in the NFL. None of them are doing what DJax is doing. Despite his size the guy is one of the best WRs in the NFL. You don’t trade away a guy like that.

      • Token

        Yea depends on Maclins contract this year, if they keep him. If its a one yr deal. Youd likely be able to afford Maclin, Cooper and a rookie at or near Jacksons 12 mil hit. So I dont think its outside the realm of possibility like I said. Likely? Probably not.

        Id expect them to get something done with jackson to get that hit lowered. If they dont it has to at least make you wonder. It clearly means they are keeping their options open. Thats all.

        • aub32

          We disagree here. Jackson just had a career year in a new system with a novice QB and across from Riley Cooper. He’s a #1 WR. Even if the rookie has a good year and shows promise, I doubt he will out produce Jackson.

          • Token

            I think the entire point has been missed.

            Its a possibility folks. Not saying theres even a 50% chance of it happening.

            If Maclin, Cooper and Rookie all have real good years it is a possibility Jackson is the one to go. Just based on circumstance.

            Someone would have to go.

            Wouldnt be the rook. Coopers number goes to 4 mil next year. And you just gave him 10 mil. So would he be cut one year into the deal? Maybe, but unlikely. Maclin depends on his deal this year. But if its a show me 1 yr deal and he does real well. Does he just walk? Possible. The rook would replace his production then.

            In the grand scheme you arent keeping all 4 past this season is my guess. Coopers not getting #4 money. Neither will Mac. And you hope a high pick WR wouldnt be playing like a #4.

            So maybe you eat Coops money and hes gone. Even tho hed be making a perfect salary for a #3. Or you just let Mac walk at 26 years old. Maybe you hold the rookie back. Maybe someone is willing to give a bit of value for Jackson. Maybe they dont want to redo his contract and give a 29 yr old more guaranteed money. And we arent even factoring in how the other young WRs do as out #5/#6 guys this yr.

            All hypothetical. No reason to get panties in a bunch.

          • aub32

            No bunching over here. I perfectly understood what you were saying. I’m simply saying there’s no way it gets to that point. Jackson is arguably the second best talent on the team, and he’s playing his best ball. Teams don’t trade players like that. I get you’re using hypothetical, but you have no reason to even come up with such a scenario. That doesn’t happen in the NFL. Teams don’t trade one of their top 3-5 guys.

          • Token

            Depends how the season would go. Maybe Jackson goes back to 800 yards. For all we know his 12 mil cap hit could look even more crazy by this time next year. For all we know Chips system could make Maclin and the Rookie look amazing too.

            If they are all here and all do well a decision will have to be made next year. Cant see a way you could keep all 4.

          • aub32

            The only time Jackson had less than 900 yards was when he got injured in 2012. That’s why I am saying your question doesn’t make much sense. Now if Jackson gets injured, all bets are off. However, in your scenario you had Jackson both starting and finishing the season as the number 1 guy. I don’t see how that would ever happen and he not put close to or over 1000 yards because he has always put up 900+ yards in every season but the injury plagued 2012 season.

          • anon

            I would agree if Howie was banner — but he just gave Kelce and Peters big deal and made a statement about keeping guys that are good for the team. Now maybe they’re willing to spend a lot of on the line and less on WRs, but the contracts Howie likes to give aren’t enticing to people if they know those last years are never getting paid out.

          • Token

            I hear ya. I wouldnt put Jackson in that group tho. Is he a leader? Hes due 12.5 million this year and at the end of the season was hoping to get a raise.

          • cliff henny

            no he wasnt, 100% incorrect. when the contract was signed everyone knew it was a 2 yr deal ending in ’13. all he said was he wants to get paid fair when 2 sides meet to get new contract in-line.

          • anon

            Not a raise — guaranteed money — completely different. He’s got $12mm fake dollars right now.

          • NickS1

            He’s do 10.75, technically. His cap is 12.75 because of the proration. Just throwing that out there.

      • NickS1

        I don’t disagree with you at all. I love what he brings to the team, and I think this past season he played like a top 10 WR. I think Token makes a very fair point, though, that if they don’t redo the contract this offseason, you have to at least wonder what the FO is thinking after the season. Afterall, this was supposed to be the contract year and the deal was supposed to have been restructured this offseason. It still might be, but I just don’t 100% dismiss anything until we see it redone.

        • aub32

          I don’t think there’s any wonder. We know what Jackson is and what he’s capable of. I don’t think there’s anyone we will get @ 22 that will come in as the #4 receiver and supplant Jackson in only one year. Please bring up an example where a team traded their number 1 WR while he was in their prime.

          • anon

            TO?

          • NickS1

            If a contract that’s supposed to get redone after two years doesn’t get done after two years, and it doesn’t at least raise an eyebrow to you, there’s no point in this conversation. I see both sides. It’s highly unlikely, I get that. But the circumstances, should they continue this way, warrant a little curiosity.

          • Token

            Riley friggin Cooper had 835 and 8 TDs this year. I dont know what the system could do for other guys. Im not gonna sit here and say a rookie couldnt do that.

            This comes down to money. If they dont redo him now, do you really believe they pay him 24.5 million over the next two years? Maybe they do, but I have a real hard time seeing that. Thats too much for Jackson.

          • anon

            He should buy DeSean a diamond for getting him all those yards. Be interesting to see if teams try 2 deep safeties now or if they still just ask Cooper to beat their weaker CBs.

            He is great int he red zone.

          • Token

            Coop is really good when the ball is in the air ill give him that. Just looking at highlights they showed when he was signed. Just some of those throws where he kinda slows up a bit to help create separation from the CB at the last second. Foles is a guy thats gonna throw it up so it is nice to have a Cooper type.

          • aub32

            I did not say the rookie could not come in and out produce Cooper. I said I highly doubt the rookie would come in and out produce Jackson, 1332 yards and 9 TDs for the record. Many of the top WRs don’t have years like that. So it’s hard to see a rookie doing it. O yea and he did it being the main focus of the defense in the passing game across from Riley friggin Cooper.

          • TXEaglesFan

            Terrell Owens and Brandon Marshall. But those two examples support your point in that they continued to produce with new teams while the old teams floundered at WR.

  • GEAGLE

    11 days left to negotiate with Maclin…wondering if they resolve it soon, or if this is a game f chicken that will go down to the wire

    • anon

      Maclin has options and is replaceable in the draft. Signing coop makes Maclin (more) expendible, if he doesn’t want to sign a team friendly deal. It would be better if he just got cut now and could hit FA. Mac knows he could have a career year in the offense so he wants to play, get stats and get a market contract — obviously eagles want to lock in cheap rate over several years. If I’m Howie it’s going to take me a couple days to answer a call from Mac.

    • Stuart Philp

      If he doesn’t get signed, I’m not overly concerned as I think he’s replaceable. And now that Coop has arrived as a decent option at #2, we can pick someone up in the draft and they’ll likely be serviceable as a #3 while they learn/adjust.

      • anon

        howie says same thing

      • Token

        I dont think I like Coop as their #2 option tho. He had a good year and I like him. Dont get me wrong. But lets not forget the struggles. And I expect things to get tougher for us this year as DCs have some extra time to study tape. I feel like to take a step forward we need more. Thats why I loved the thought of Jackson, Coop, Mac and still a high rookie for this season. See how that shakes out.

        • Stuart Philp

          If he continues to grow, Coop can be a solid #2. Keeping Maclin gives us an extra weapon, another person that DC’s have to account for, but I don’t think we’d be worse without him…. but I am very curious to see how he comes back and how he does in this system

          • Token

            I worry about the scenario of Coop or Mac getting injured. Leaving you in a similar situation like this year. Just wasnt enough firepower when it came down to the hard times. But who knows. You have Ertz growing. Possibly even another TE pick this year.

          • Stuart Philp

            Yeah fair point. If Ertz takes the second year leap he could become a big part of the offense (~800 yards). We do need to draft someone at either WR or TE. Get a rookie on contract for 4 years and develop him to replace DJax so we can unload his monstrous contract.

          • Token

            And then thinking about Jackson. What if he goes down? Wheres the speed? Maybe they would be eyeing OBJ,.

  • GEAGLE

    Cap has been announced at 133m.. Cliff, please explain the ramifications in English. Lol thanks

    • cliff henny

      Eagles get to sign Picks for free.

      • GEAGLE

        What do we have left to go shopping? Like 8mil?

        • cliff henny

          assuming eagles carry-over 10m, which would be smart. clearing space with avant, casey chung (or spite paycut) benn and jax getting his contract in-line, (i’d still invite celek and ryans in to tak about getting little more in-line with 2yr less cap hit more guarentees but wont include those)…about 20m.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I’m also expecting 10m carried over

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          Closer to 20 if I’m not mistaken

    • Ark87

      It kills me, we were fine, but it lets a little pressure of the idiot gm’s of the nfl, particularly Jerreh

      • Andy124

        I thought the cap was set a percentage of revenue as established in the CBA, not some negotiable number that could be change based on the whims of Jerrah or the commish or whatever?

        • Ark87

          probably is, was just looking forward to the Cowboys collapsing under the strain of the cap, I’m sure they are still strapped…but still, any relief is too much.

      • cliff henny

        it does. but while Eagles are wrapping up our current guys and still have 20m to play in FA and carry over 10m, Dallas does non of that and has to compete in FA with no money and teams having 7m burning hole in pockets. there is no upside to mismanaging salary cap like they do

        • Ark87

          say we end up being all set with 20 mil under the cap, hypothetically, would we try to restructure some contracts to load more money up front to lower future cap figures, is there a limit to how much cap you can carry over to make such a move beneficial?

          • cliff henny

            just have to spend 90% over 4 yr rolling average, or 3 out of every 4 yrs have to spend over 90% (soemthing like that-cant just not spend). right now, if eagles adjust jax from 12m to 8m, cut avant, benn, casey and paycut chung be close to 40m under. figure 7m to Rookies, carry 10m over, leaves low 20’sm to play in free agency.
            .
            ’15…have Cole, williams, Herremans and Graham, can june1st cut them, that clears about 23m, not to mention Ryans and Celek are 11m no dead, will need that 10m rollover, cause Eagles wont be starting with much room, assuming 133m cap.
            .
            Howie knows what he’s doing

          • Ark87

            def, he’s a cap wizard, but by trying to see what he is doing, you can get insight into his plans. 2011’s FA was pretty much a disaster, but the execution of it was incredible. The FO had been arranging everything to come together for that year, when so many potential FA’s would be on the market. Then just took the FA by storm. (I may have some years mixed up).

  • anon

    So are people thinking that DJ2 and Maehl ride into training camp?

    • NickS1

      At least one, preferably DJ2, is gone before that happens.

    • cliff henny

      after draft sure both beg to get released and find spot on another roster.

    • Andy124

      I don’t know about TC, since we bring a lot of bodies there, but for the 53, hopefully Maclin will occupy Avant’s roster spot. Benn occupies Maehl’s and draft pick takes up DJ2’s. I don’t think those to guys make the 53 next year.

      Maybe Momah learned how to play football. Maybe we draft more than one guy. Odds really stacked against those two.

      • cliff henny

        Benn isnt all that good. only thing worse than his knees are his hands. hope it looks like:
        jax
        mac
        coop
        smith
        draft pick early 1st or 2nd rd
        darft pick late 5th or nab a 6th for Graham

        • NickS1

          I’d like a Cooks/ODB in the early paired with M. Bryant later.

          • cliff henny

            i’m not huge on M Bryant, but like the little/big-big/little combo…or go Matthews/Landry. between volume of great prospects and kelly’s offense, dont see a bad grouping. it’s funny reading other teams draft (nfc east) reviews on sbnation. they get into all sort of specifics, team needs…we’re just like ‘get kelly freaks!’

          • NickS1

            I mention Bryant as a guy who might be there with one of our 5ths.

          • cliff henny

            about where he belongs, but will go earlier. guy was a ghost at clemson. wait a year, kid named Page coming out, he’ll put Bryant to shame.

          • anon

            Matthews drops too many balls but Landry is a stud. 2 drops all year mainly used in that 6-15 yd range. Good yac.

          • cliff henny

            and ran a 4.7! was a 2nd/3rd who will land in philly with a 5th.

        • Andy124

          I wanted to point out guys already under contract (or that I think will be) first as reasons to doubt DJ2Maehl’s return.

  • NickS1

    Two things:

    1) Cooper can be released for a 2.9mil savings in 2015 and dead money hit of 2.4. Not awful if he doesn’t produce these next two years. Credit to “Ohitsdom” for the link: http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Riley%20Cooper&Position=WR&Team=Eagles

    2) I really think too much gets made of the difference of the 2nd and 3rd receivers in our offense when the 2nd and 3rd are Coop/Mac, and I tend to think Howie agrees with that. I also don’t think Maclin’s going to put up crazy stats in our offense that nets him a serious contract after a prove it deal, either. They’ll be good, but hard to see them being significanlty better than what Coop put up last season in his 11 games with Foles. If the ball isn’t going to the ‘Seans, its spread out. Simple as that. Between Mac/Coop/Ertz/Celek there’s no “#2″. Maybe there’s a de facto #2, by some depth chart nonsense, but Chip wants matchups, plain and simple. And having Mac/Coop allows him more options to get those matchups if teams are going single high on Desean.

    • Token

      So they cant really cut Cooper til after the 2015 season. Interesting.

      • NickS1

        2yr deals. Howie doesn’t hamstring himself. Even if you’re worth fully guaranteed money through 3 years, he’ll disagree with you and talk you into only valuing yourself at a partial guarantee in the third.

        • Token

          Its still a fairly healthy bit of dead money should they cut him in 2016. But certainly doable if he ends up sucking.

          Cooper will def be here next year. Makes the Mac and rookie situation more interesting. Really wondering if a WR early isnt on their radar.

          • NickS1

            I’m sure there’s a few they have a pretty high grade on for early rounds, just depends on who else they like and who gets drafted where.

          • cliff henny

            was reported yeasterday that ’16 has 1m in salary guarenteed. while OTC is great site, it’s not flawless (have chungs and casey contracts wrong). if that’s the case, it’s more likely 3yr contract, not as friendly to get from under in 2.

          • NickS1

            OTC said it was injury guarantees, has to be on roster by March 5th each season, ’16 + ’17, to get it.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, getting little to technical for me. assuming that 400k over each of the 5 yrs. regardless, 2yrs is fantastic, 3yrs is still great. i dont see Cooper not being worth exactly what he’s scheduled to make.
            .
            see what eaglescap has, that’s as accurate as it gets.

    • cliff henny

      nice, even friendlier than was reported yesterday. still looks like a 3yr contract to me, with NNo-D outclause after 2.

      • NickS1

        Kinda is. Basically Cooper would have to revert back to years 1-3 production to get the boot after 2.

        • cliff henny

          not even sure he’s that different of a guy, just a product of the offense. but hey, who gives a ratzass-offense isnt changing. he’s signed, knows offense, fair wage for solid backup and certainly seems to give some comfort level to Foles-that’s worth couple million to me.

    • anon

      If mac is better than coop mac will play more. See ertz vs celek and Casey in the passing game.

  • Weapon Y

    Why is everyone so eager to see DeSean leave? He’s only one of the ten best receivers in the NFL. I see no reason why Chip would get rid of him, nor should he.

    • Ark87

      I think it’s just a matter of letting opinions of the person seep into opinions of the player. Shady loads the box, D Jax keeps a safety over the top, leaving the rest of the play makers to put up pro-bowl years. It just works.

      The other part is folks see the WR loaded draft which is making it easy to write off pretty much any WR as expendable. While it’s true that it is easier to get a WR at very nice value this year, the loaded status has no impact on whether your pick will be a hit or no. It’s completely disjoint from the quantity of talented prospects.

      Ultimately, people have to realize that D Jax isn’t really expendable until we have a proven commodity to replace him with, or until his play drops off.

  • henry

    eagles did a good job

  • Yes_General

    This is my question. If the eagles could trade up for a player who would it be? I know we say take the best available player, but trading up 3-4 spots for someone might be an option as well. Who would that player or players be?

  • Tommyboy8

    Last time we saw Maclin it was under the Andy’s tenure and as we all know EVERYONE played soft those last couple of years. With basically the same roster from those years we had a ten and six record, three 1000 yard players and made the playoffs. Not to mention the fact that we actually won the games that mattered and show whether or not a team has heart, the close ones. Under Andy we lost those games and the Chiefs and Colts playoff game shows that perfectly. Everyone seems to have bought in last year and I’m sure that if Maclin plays soft or doesn’t commit 100 percent then Chip will have no problem moving on.
    Go big or go home!