The Dion Jordan Trade Question

NFL: Carolina Panthers at Miami Dolphins

A year after jumping one spot ahead of the Eagles to draft Dion Jordan, the Miami Dolphins are now looking to trade the outside linebacker, according to a report.

Jordan, of course, played his college ball for Chip Kelly at Oregon.


"Trust me, the guy that went number three we were considering very heavily, but didn’t get the chance to pull the trigger on that one," Kelly said after the draft.

To steal a phrase from Mike Mayock, Jordan would check a lot of boxes for the Eagles. He's 6-6 with 33 7/8 inch arms and is an outstanding athlete (ran a 4.60 40 last year). In college, the Ducks lined him up all over the place. At last year's combine, Jordan weighed in at 248 pounds, although the team now lists him at 260.

Ideally, the Eagles would add a pass-rush specialist at right outside linebacker opposite Connor Barwin. But Jordan would provide Billy Davis and the defense with another versatile option. And there have been reports that others in the organization really liked him last year too:

As always with trades, the question is compensation. Jordan was a disappointment as a rookie with the Dolphins, playing just 29 percent of the team's snaps, while finishing with 29 tackles and two sacks. In other words, his value isn't what it was coming out of college.

"It's hard to make trades in this league, but I think we'd be open if something was a win-win situation," Howie Roseman said yesterday. "And certainly when you see guys who aren't scheme fits and you look at other teams that may work for them, and they may have a player that is a scheme fit for you, maybe you hope things can work out. And then when you add in draft picks obviously that's appealing, too. We'll get a better sense when we get into the league year because now you're two weeks away and it's like, are you really going to try and figure out a trade now? Everybody is trying to figure out free agency and the draft, but yeah, certainly makes the offseason interesting."

In terms of guys who might not be great scheme fits for the current Eagles' defense, names like Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry stand out. Both were drafted as 4-3 defensive ends under the Andy Reid/Jim Washburn regime. Graham was a rotational player at outside linebacker last year, and Curry was asked to bulk up to play defensive end.

The Eagles also have seven picks in May's draft. Right now, the Dolphins seem to be just gauging the market, but it'd be a surprise if Roseman didn't at least make a phone call on this one.

Click here to read our draft profile on Jordan from last year.

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  • ochospantalones

    I can’t see the Dolphins dealing Jordan for less than a first-round pick this year. Would you all trade the 22nd pick for him? I don’t think I would, but it is not a crazy idea.

    • Chris

      I don’t think I would, most likely plenty of high quality players there at 22 and if he isn’t a fit as it is, they won’t have much bargaining power. i’d go 2nd and a player. This just doesn’t seem like the draft year that i’d be comfortable with giving away picks

    • GreenDreams

      I agree that the Dolphins will require a 1st to trade Jordan (just too many PR problems if they trade him for less than a 1st). I would absolutely trade our 1st plus Graham (we don’t really use Graham anyway). Jordan could be the difference-maker that turns this defense into something significant. Sign a mid-level safey in free agency, draft heavy at safety, corner and inside LB in rounds 2-7, and let’s go…

      • paul from nc

        1st + Graham?????? oh my God no!!!
        See above – 2nd and Graham, or 3rd, Graham and Brown if needed.

        • hrtak

          Graham is on 1year deal with lot of money BG+22pick makes sense

    • GEAGLE

      I can’t even explain to you just how fast Chip would make Howie trade that 22 pick for Dion if Miami takes it!!

    • paul from nc

      I wouldn’t do the 22nd pick for him. What about Graham and a 2nd, or even Graham, Brown and a 3rd, if I had to? I think we need to keep the 1st, but Jordan would solve one problem quickly.

      • ochospantalones

        I would trade Graham and our 2nd round pick (54th overall) for Jordan, but I cannot imagine the Dolphins taking that deal right now. If he has another bad season they may have to look at deals like that next off-season, but right now I don’t think the organization could take another PR hit like trading the 3rd overall pick in last year’s draft for a second rounder and a backup. If Jordan is traded in 2014, they will be getting a 2014 first rounder in return. Keep in mind, the Dolphins take a massive cap hit if they trade Jordan right now, they need to really be getting value back to justify trading him.

  • pjcostello

    I’d give them a 3rd rounder and MAYBE a player, like Bryce Brown. It’s a buyer’s market when a team thinks a player isn’t a fit.

    • A_Baoa_Qu

      Agreed but that kind of lowballing and you are liable to lose out on that kind of potential acquisition. Keeping Dion Jordan isn’t going to hurt them either so they don’t need to trade him if the deal isn’t right for them.

      • pjcostello

        Missed your reply, sorry for the delay… They can keep him, yes. If Miami saw value in keeping him, we wouldn’t be having this discussion! They seem to view him as a square peg on defense, and don’t have a natural spot for him to play. It’s not a knock on them or him — we have the same situation with Brandon Graham, who would be a nice fit as a DE in a 4-3 scheme, but looks lost playing OLB in a 3-4.

        I would absolutely low-ball them!! When someone offers up something they don’t want to whomever can buy it, you always start low as a negotiating position.

        • A_Baoa_Qu

          I agree that you start low but what I am saying is that they want to trade him but do not need to trade him. Especially since they have him locked up for awhile as opposed to Graham only having one year left on his contract. Clearly there are a multitude of factors that take place when talking about who has leverage and how much leverage you can apply on a team to deal for a player. I’d wager to guess that the Browns probably would not have dished Trent Richardson to the Colts (at least not this early) had they not been given a 1st round pick.

          If the Eagles can get away with giving away a just bag of Doritos to get Jordan, I would crap my pants with excitement but I highly doubt that that will happen.

  • guest

    Do it Howie….

  • Tyler Thierolf

    For Brandon Graham + a 2nd or 3rd, definitely.

    Graham is a player that would definitely benefit from moving to a 4-3 team and would help offset some of Jordan’s salary.

  • George

    ghram, brown, and a 2

    • anon

      They do need Rbs but probably a power back not a run to the outside back.

      • George

        thats what bryce *should* be

        • anon

          I know — so much potential. Doesn’t he want a check in 2 years?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Hahaha, I remember a game last yr where we were going for it on 4th and short & the cameras cut to Chip on the sidelines yelling at Bryce, then gesturing that it was just inches with his hands. Almost to say, just get the 1st, don’t bounce outside. This was after an unsuccessful attempt by Bryce earlier on short yardage where instead of crashing forward, he cut outside and was dropped for a loss.

  • birdman

    i would pull the trigger on this and try to move our 2nd rd pick for him, there’s not an athlete like him available in the draft. he fits a need area, we were prolly gone draft someone like van noy, attaochu, dee ford anyway. i think we go secondary or wr in the 1st rd. if the dolphins want a player back like graham or curry i wouldnt hesitate at all b/c we would just need to package them with a later rd pick to get it done imo. Loving this offseason so far

    • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

      Yep. I’d try to trade Graham + 3rd rounder. I think that’s more than far.

      • GEAGLE

        I’m assuming, we would beat whatever the best offer is for Dion and I doubt too many teams covet him more then we do.

        • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

          Agreed. Unless Joe Banner gets a consulting job somewhere before a trade happens.

    • Richard Colton

      I’m sure the Dolphins are eager to part with #3 overall in exchange for #54. I’ll say our chances are slim – if only because the Dolphins are disfunctional and the new administration may want to discredit the old.

  • A_Baoa_Qu

    I’m hard pressed to trade our #1 overall pick for him but I would like us to get Dion Jordan is in the worst way!!

    • anon

      We’d be looking at picking an OLB or DE to OLB convert anyway.

      • A_Baoa_Qu

        I’d like to use that 1st pick to grab a safety like Calvin Pryor or Ha ha Clinton-Dix. One or the other, doesn’t matter to me.

        • anon

          Not Pryor. I think it’s hard for safeties to really produce a lot year 1, so don’t like them in first round, plus there’s a lot of depth. That said i understand that we really need to do something about the position.

          • A_Baoa_Qu

            Yeah but that kind of logic would not deter me from taking a guy who has a skillset similar to an Eric Berry or an Earl Thomas. Not saying they will be as good as them but they both were highly productive in college. Thinking about year 1 can’t be the reason you don’t draft a guy though.

          • RIP illa

            Are you talking about Pryor? Cuz I fail to see a similar skill set at all! EB and ET, are specifically ballhawks who can also do the other aspects well. Pryor just has a big shoulder to hit w/. Not great in coverage, not good at tackling, not great at being a ballhawk, and is slow as dirt when compared to the EB and ET.

  • G_WallyHunter

    BG/VC and a 2nd or 3rd for him, come on

    • GEAGLE

      Not Vinny,,

    • paul from nc

      too much

  • Adam

    2 reasons I’m skeptical of this report:

    1. It’s Lazy Eye Canfora
    2. Miami would have to take a 13 mil cap hit to trade him.

    • Tikkit

      Canfora is to inside info as Jerry Jones is to GM. Weak scoops bro.

    • Rahkem

      Well i heard this a few months ago too so i think its real this time.

    • GEAGLE

      He isn’t the only one reporting this

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    man I hope they do this. or try to see how close they can get to happening

  • Max Lightfoot

    I wouldn’t – with all the defensive needs we have, we need more draft picks, not less – not for a guy who seemingly hasn’t made that transition to the NFL level. But Chip and Billy may see something there.

    • anon

      Jordan plays a 3-4 OLB, Miami is a 4-3 team. He’s to small to play end so miami is trying to bulk him up — he’d be perfect for our system though (may think). Although a wise poster noted that Steelers ROLBs have always been 6’2″.

      • JofreyRice

        eh, IMO, they used him in ways where he should have produced. They used him in passrush situations primarily, with no run-responsibility and even had him stand up sometimes. He’s a better athlete than passrusher at this point, which was my take on him last year. Needs violence.

        Didn’t the DC at Orgeon mostly drop him in coverage? I’m wondering if he’s just another Berwin to them.

        • anon

          That was my issue too — more a barwin than a ROLB, but we blitz from a lot of different place, maybe they can find a way to work him in — he was obviously successful at oregon.

          • JofreyRice

            he was a good cover guy at Oregon, he was never an edge terror. I think he got drafted so high based off athletic upside and pro projection. His production as a passrusher was shit.

          • Max Lightfoot

            Jordan could possibly be coached up by Billy and crew – but I agree with you. Pass rushers need that wildass killer instinct – and I didn’t see that in him at all last season.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          He rushed the passer more his year at OLB at Oregon. It was his second year that they dropped him back into coverage a lot. That seems to be the case for a lot of athletic OLBs in college.

          Actually according to PFF, Jordan was effective in limited snaps rushing the passer. It just seemed like Miami wanted someone bigger and stronger that could defend against the run better. Plus, they have a more established and well rounded DE in Wake playing ahead of him.

  • Tikkit

    I’d give this proposition about a 99% chance of not happening. Too many cap implications for the Dolphins and questionable compensation value makes this an almost no go from the start. That being said….if it happens I’ll be jacked.

  • trixman

    Graham and #22 for Jordan and Miami’s 4.

    • trixman

      I mean 4th.

  • GreenDreams

    I agree that the Dolphins will require a 1st rounder in any trade for Jordan (just too big a PR hit if they don’t get a 1st rounder). Would absolutely trade our 1st rounder plus Graham for Jordan. Jordan could be the difference-maker that allows this defense to become an upper echelon unit. Sign a mid-level safety in free agency (to compete with Wolff and a draft pick), then draft heavy at safety, corner and ILB throughout the draft.

  • cliff henny

    Miami’s a mess. Howie needs to put his Joe Banner shoes on and call them up. Beat the everloving bejesus out of whoever stupid enough to consider trading the 4th pick after a year.

    • GEAGLE

      Shhhh. Never know who’s watching!! Only brilliant GMs trade the 4th pick a year later!!! ;)

  • Guest

    Maybe they’ll trade Maclin, cause he just signed a 1-yr deal according to Schefter

  • UKEagle99
    • cliff henny

      yeah baby!!!! with cap increases in ’15 and ’16, it’s not a done deal he walks.

      • UKEagle99

        I’m excited to see him play in this offence, I hope he succeeds, good problem to have :)

      • Aussie Eagle

        If he goes off in this offense we can still extend him in ’15 and then in ’16 have to option to cut Cooper with no dead money – if we have a bigger receiver on the roster to fulfil that need

      • GEAGLE

        That’s literally the first thing that came to mind!!!!!! Keep raising that cap baby!!! Seattle will look like a JV team compared to us in two years If they keep raising the cap lol

        • dnabrice

          Except when you compare their D to our D in which case the metaphor is reversed.

          • GEAGLE

            Let’s see them extend all their probowlers before I quiver in fear

    • Tikkit

      Love it. Good deal Howie making sure that you didn’t “Banner it up” by insisting on that multi year deal.

      • anon

        Howie wanted the multi year. Maclin wants to get paid next year.

        • Tikkit

          I get that. In years past the company line probably would have been “You don’t like this deal? Hit the bricks.” I enjoy signing our own and being flexible.

      • GEAGLE

        Howie caved, Maclin won…but it further helps show we aren’t the pricks we used to be, and we are getting a talent back who is acting like a man who thinks he is healthy and Genuinly believes he will have a monster year, or he would have taken the Multi year security Howie was pushing for…
        ..
        Not Ideal, but not a bad move by any stretch of the imagination. More talent can’t ever be bad, and even if Mac has a big year, I can still see him trying to work it out to stay here.
        ..
        This deal is worth a max of 6mil

        • dnabrice

          Mac prob lowered his number to get the 1 year.

          • Tikkit

            Win win

        • Tikkit

          The best part of this is if a WR that the Eagles are after is at 22 (BPA of course), he won’t have to be shoved into a role that he may not be ready for (I’m talking to you Kelvin Benjamin)

          • RIP illa

            He needed that talk. But your just wasting your breath, cuz we should be getting ODB!!!

    • JofreyRice

      nice. They are stacked on offense if Mac comes back strong. I’d still like to see them add one of these talented receivers.

      • UKEagle99

        Yes, indeed. If they go BPA it will be hard not to draft one!

      • cliff henny

        still go 1 early 1 later and get big/small or small/ big combo. jax coop and Mac gives 2 rookies time to grow and only have roles they’re 100% comfortable with. heck, i’d take 3, couple 7th rd guys i really like (hazell and campanaro) Benn and Smith are both on no dead money contracts. ’14 is all about finding out if Foles is for real. get this guy weapons.

        • JofreyRice

          having a stable of dangerous receivers to throw to, and a top 3 back in the league is really going to help Foles’ confidence.

          • cliff henny

            top O-line and if Vick is correct about Ertz…he should pay the Eagles to play qb!

          • dnabrice

            Guy was Pro Bowl MVP and tied Peyton’s TDs in a game record. If he has confidence issues now, we have issues. He has plenty of confidence right now.

        • paul from nc

          If you do that, what about the D? I think the offense is ok as is, maybe draft WR in 4th or later, but not before.
          Unless BPA is WR and way above any D player on the board.

          • cliff henny

            ok…i want best in league awesome. that’s what you need to win, be great at one thing, solid in the other. could go olb 1st safety 3rd, plenty of picks to adress needs. drafts arent an exact science, this draft has WRs out the wazzo, get a couple and wont need to worry about the position for 3 or 4 yrs.

          • paul from nc

            Not arguing, but our D is not even close to so so, let alone solid. I still feel defense wins in post season. Unless BPA is a WR by a LONG way, I won’t do it before the 4th round

  • Chris

    Maclin signs 1yr deal

  • cliff henny

    Louis Riddick is talking some truth on ESPN. just said last 4 days should have NFC east crapping pants

    • GEAGLE

      He also confirms laconforas report saying he been hearing they open to trading Dion for weeks…but that Armando seleguaro F’er is denying the fire sale repors

  • anon

    From ROTO: Citing “numerous” league sources and NFL executives, CBS Sports’ Jason
    La Canfora reports the Dolphins “might also be open to dealing” Cameron
    Wake and Mike Wallace.

    It’s a full on Jeff Ireland fire sale. They want picks…

    • JofreyRice

      Too bad Wake’s older than Cole.

  • Rick H

    Everyone has to remember that Jordan was a big time disappointment last year! Second the cap hit for Miami is big and not very realistic for trading. If Kelly and Davis and front office still think he will translate well to NFL which did not happen last year even taking the situation in Miami under consideration I would give no more then a 3rd rounder and maybe a platoon player from the Eagles roster.
    I would be surprised if this happened but then again I couldn’t believe what I read about what was going on in Miami last year either.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      But Miami staff even think he’s not a good fit for 4-3 DE and that in itself could certainly lend to his “disappointment”. Two similar positions (4-3 DE & 3-4 OLB), but really couldn’t be any different. Using him at DE was like taking away his green lantern ring. The kid needs to be on his feet and work in space, where he can utilize and max his physical gifts.

    • GEAGLE

      Does Chip look like a fool to you? Does gamble seem to not know about OLB after delivering Barwin? Don’t trust Howie yet? Lane was an amazing pick, and he was number two on our list. You may not like Dion, but you are talking about a player our coach adores and has a TON of belief in!!!! I doubt Chip is some fool who is obsessed over someone that won’t be a stud for him!!!

      Get it DONE!!!!!

      • guest

        GEAGLE, some people will never trust the Eagles FO. I dont get it. How can anyone not trust Howie Roseman at this point? I even can sort of understand if someone were still skeptical about Chip, given he’s only been in the NFL one year. But Howie clearly knows what he’s doing.

        We have a great GM people!! Just trust him.

        • GEAGLE

          No worries, I can practically guarentee that Chip would make Howie trade that 22 pick for Dion do fast if Miami takes it. Howie/Gamble were intent on drafting Dion ahead of Lane, Ertz, Logan,Wolff..We are talking about a kid two of our coaches have an insane belief in(Azz)…there is simply no shot in hell there can be a player available at 22 that we would want to have over Dion. We friggin valued him over Lane. If Miami is down, kiss that 22nd pick goodbye, and then CELEBRATE!!!!

          • Freedom fannn

            This years draft is too deep and too talented. There is NO way that they trade their # 1 for Dion Jordan. Their # 2 and a few players maybe, or maybe their #2 and # 5 and a player. Whatever it is …… they must ( The Eagles ) do what it takes to get this guy. He ( wanted / wants ) to be a Eagle and play for Chip. Find a good combination of picks, players or future picks, and get it done!! Make them an offer ….. they can’t refuse ……. and don’t forget the cannolis’.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol yeah ok..keep dreaming. As if the dolphins are going to take a cap hit like that for a second round pick. If this were to happen, they will ask for 22, and I don’t even have words to express to you how fast our front office would trade them that pick lol. Dee ford is friggim considered at 22 and you think we wouldn’t trade our first? When we can get a safety in round two and a quality WR in round 3? Gamble thinks Jordan is an edge terror in a 3-4 who has already shut down Gronk and you wanna go dicking around in the draft hoping we find someone that works when our HC already knows and has so much belief in this kid? Get real! Kiss 22 goodbye if Miami wants to trade Dion

      • Rick H

        You are misreading my comment. I like Dion Jordan a lot! My comments were focused on doing due diligence and making sure that last year was just a lost rookie year. My point was also let’s be realistic and make sure that he is the same guy that everybody expected or expects to be a stud

  • Aussie Eagle

    We just signed Mac to a 1 year deal

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Personally, I was down on Jordan as our potential pick at #4 last year. To be honest, I like him more now than then. He’s def bigger now at 260lbs & I’d assume stronger as well, plus he’s got a year of NFL coaching and experience to better his technique.

    • anon

      Not sure that dolhpin’s coaching is really worth it…

      • Jerry Pomroy

        hahaha, I actually was thinking the same thing when I was typing that out but nonetheless he is bigger and stronger now and has faced NFL LTs. I just think he’s a better fit now than when he was coming out last year.

    • cliff henny

      getting top 5 pick for 50% off and the season he needed to put on weight, get used to nfl wouldnt be on Eagles roster.

    • GEAGLE

      By now, Chip,Howie and Gamble seem to know wtf they are doing. If Lane was our runner up, I can’t even imagine what Chip and Azz can do with a play they know so well, who they have so much belief in.

      Reports now are that Miami is having an all out Fire sale, wanting to trade a Mike Wallace and Cameron Wake who they will never be able to replace with a better player. If They willing to trade those guys then Dion can def be had! We have to get this done. In year 3 or 4 we will have Jason Taylor Jr coming off the edge, who as a rookie played Gronk as well as anyone ever has across from Barwin! who made Jimmy Graham his bitch in a playoff game??We need this to happen!

    • Dr Rick

      I think Jordan would fit our scheme really well. He’s a big fast 3-4 kinda guy who Chip knows very well. He should do well once he gets clear of the grease fire in Miami.

  • GEAGLE

    Eagles sign Maclin to a one year deal. Howie caved, welcome Back JMac!!!

    • Token

      Good deal. Worth max of 6 mil. I feel Maclin can be very good in this system.

      Hes out to make money this year. I think thats good. If he plays well, they we revisit my scenario from earlier in the day. If theyd draft a high WR also and they all do well it could make for tough decisions.

      • GEAGLE

        More talent, more talent, more talent. WEAPONS!!!! The arsenal Is starting to stockpile!!!!

  • Token

    If they would take a 3rd rounder.

    Soft kid. Your paying for just a athlete without much skill as a football player. Maybe he could be molded into a pass rusher. Maybe he could be molded into a Barwin type, but I dunno. I dont think hes physical enough for that role. Id think he would be a ideal 4-3 SAM linebacker.

    • paul from nc

      I’ll trust Chip, Gamble and Azz. They actually know the kid.
      For those talking about the cap hit for Miami — If the rumors are correct, I’m sure they resigned themselves to that fact. They are going for picks and more picks — They may believe cheap labor for the next three years will make up for it.

  • The R

    Trade brandon graham and this years 2nd round pick for dion jordon they get a first round pick in graham and a second round pick in this years draft. We need to get a safety with the number one if we dont get it in safety in free agency.

    • UKEagle99

      You can’t nail a position to a pick or you’ll end up doing things like drafting Jarrett in the 2nd. They need to address the safety position even if it is something we find hard to swallow. Nate may be back, they may sign Jenkins (meh) who knows. But unless Pryor or Clinton-Dix is there at 22 I don’t think you will get your wish and they ain’t moving up if they have traded their 2nd away…

      • RIP illa

        Boo Pryor!!! Dix…meh. Wouldn’t be to upset w/ Dix (who like you said, will most likely be gone). But agreed don’t nail it down to a position. Just draft ODB, K Benjamin, or the best Corner available :-)

  • bbbbb

    - Dion Jordan was disappointing last year because he is not 4-3 DE
    - Miami will never want anything less than first-round pick.
    - Calvin Pryor and HaHa-Dix will not be there when the Eagles have to choose in the first round.
    - Give Miami our number 22 in the first round and Brandon Graham, for Dolphins number 50 in the second round and Dion Jordan.
    - In the second round we can pick Deone Bucannan, he was the best safety in a combaine.

    • Token

      I think some just placed too high of value on his combine performance rather than his football performance. The kid is raw. Has to get more physical. Hes a project that got jumped way up in a weak draft because of measurables and a combine.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I would agree with that 100%, which is why I wasn’t high on him last year. But I like him even more now because it’s not gonna cost us our 4th pick in the draft. He has value at #22 however, especially with the extra bulk & improved technique sticking his hand in the dirt for a year going up against NFL LTs.

        • Token

          Id start to think it over if we were talking a 2nd rounder. But in this draft I dont even know for sure about that.

          No way on earth I give up #22 for him. You are likely to get a better pass rusher either at #22 or within trade up range.

          You will almost surely get a better football player at 22 regardless of position.

          • GEAGLE

            If Dion gets traded, do you actually think there is any shot in hell we won’t beat whatever the best offer is? Doesn’t matter what you and me think, and we have tangible evidence that we highly rate him and desire him, with Howie,gamble,Chip,Azz signing off on taking him with the highest pick we had since McNabb. I can assure you we would trade that 22 pick quicker then you can type Dion Jordan if Miami trades him. They know who values him most, and we aren’t in their conference so they would be happy to send him here if they do trade him…

            Tannahill is NOT the GMs pick…I wonder if he would ask for Barkley as another option?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But there is one factor that you’re not looking at. In trading for Dion, giving up our #22, we would be hand picking the player. Not rolling the dice in hopes that we can get that pass rusher at 22, 54, etc where another team could swoop in ahead of us and pluck them away, like last yr.

            As I said, I was down on DJ at #4 last year. I wanted Ziggy. But I’m much more interested in being in control of my destiny and addressing an area of need than hoping I can draft that player with 31 teams that also may covet that player.

          • RIP illa

            Clowney, Barr, Mack. Most likely all gone before we pick, so who is this better pass rusher that we’re gonna get at 22? Ealy, who I love?! He’ll prolly be gone to a 4-3 team who wants the 2nd rated DE in this draft, if not. Well then he’s a guy that’s gonna maul LTs and QBs, but he’s gonna leave us lacking in so many other areas. So unless you’re talking about my boy, A-a-Ron :-), then I don’t know of anybody else that I would rather have over Jordan in this draft, after Clowney, Mack, and Barr. I would trade up for Mack, and mentioned it before…but know that you would be giving up a whole lot. Don’t think I would trade up for Barr.

          • Token

            Id think Ford should be there. Certainly a better pass rusher.

            But the bar isnt that high. Dion is not and never has been a good pass rusher.

            The one main thing this D needs, is a weakness for him.

      • bbbbb

        Maybe you’re right, but he is not overrated as Pryor or HaHa-Dix, his numbers in the NCAA and the combine speak for him.
        We eagles fans need to stop thinking that everyone is the next Brian Dawkins last year was Matt Elam, this year is Calvin Pryor!
        To be a good safety you not need hit hard, Dawkins was a good safty but not incredible, his strength and love that Eagles fans have for him is because Brian was a leader, the Philadelphia defense heart!

        • Greenblood 20

          Dawkins was a good saffety, but not incredible…wtf?!? Lay off the crack rocks homey! What were you watching during Dawk’s prime? Good Lord, you are delirious, sit down! COMPLETELY CLUELESS = bbbbb

  • phillylove21

    Maclin deal 1 year $6M.. $3.5M guaranteed! Prove it huh?

  • Weapon Y

    Sheil, any chance you or Tim could make an all-22 post of Dion Jordan at Oregon and the Dolphins?

    • Token

      Shouldnt take long. You could go through every snap of his senior year in about 10 minutes.

    • GEAGLE

      Defended Gronk as well as anyone ever has…that was fun film to watch

      • Token

        As I said, interesting option at a traditional 4-3 SAM spot. Damn near ideal for that. Not a 3-4 rush OLB.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          He was an ideal for for that at 245lbs, not so much at 260lbs.

        • GEAGLE

          Not ideal of the likes of you…no offense, but I trust the tangible evidence we have that he was ideal for Chip Kelly,Tom Gamble,Howie and Azz….do you actually think we wouldn’t top whatever anyone else offers? Not that it matters because doubt many teams could possibly want him more then us at ROLB!!! I can assure you we wouldn’t want him this much if we didn’t think we could turn him into an edge terror by year 3 or 3…and why wouldn’t you trust our coaches and front office? I don’t even see how anyone can argue against a player Chip believes in so damn much at this point?

        • RIP illa

          What??? Are you talking about Jordan? Jordan was built for the 3-4. It’s not even a question. How knows if he’ll be an elite rush OLB ala Aldon Smith, but I can easily see him growing into the position and definitely being better than Cole. Besides, Davis wants versatility anyway. If you ever thought about taking Barr, then why would you not take Jordan? Both (IMO) are raw, Barr is a little better at the rush, but Jordan provides more in pass coverage, defensive alignment, and scheme flexibility w/o sacrificing too much in the pass rush. And both aren’t great at playing the run on this level yet. But both should be w/ experience. As long as we don’t have to give up a 1st, then the trade would be a steal. However if we did, I could live w/ it. I mean Barr is still a consideration for our 1st this year. If anything, I think of Barr as more of a Sam in a 4-3 than Jordan.

          • Token

            I dunno. I just disagree. MAYBE he can be a Barwin style player someday. But I dont see that physical play.

            This is a kid who played 46% of the time in his senior year. I dont know why he got labeled as a great prospect based on his play. I just didnt see anything with his pass rush that sold me on him having potential there.

            As a SAM in a 4-3 he would have a lot of TE responsibility. Playing into his strength.

            Barr is more explosive off the ball.

      • Michael Myers

        link?

        • GEAGLE

          Sorry I download torrents

  • Rick H

    Eagles are really looking like a fine oiled machine with the signing of Maclin. I wish Maclin a lot of luck!!! Stay healthy J. Mac!

    • cliff henny

      3.5m guarenteed tells me Howie ran him threw a gauntlet of Doctors and Mac’s looks great

  • usmcnole

    Brandon graham and a 2nd for is worth it for jordan IMO

    • TheCatalyst

      I agree.

    • RIP illa

      Throw in a 5th and Casey Matthews just to make sure it gets done. Hell, if we gave up a 1st, I would still say throw in Casey Matthews!!! :-)

  • Tom w

    I know trade rumors get the readers going, but would it be so hard to point that the dolphins would take a thirteen million dollar dead money cap hit if they trade dion Jordan. No way in hell they would take that kinda hit this year. Trich was only a six million hit for browns. Aside From financials I would offer graham and a third at most. Much deeper olb and overall draft class this yr

    • Freedom fannn

      Wrong ……. His $ 13.3 million dollar ( cash ) signing bonus, was paid to him, in full in 2013. The total (Signing bonus ) cap number was divided over 4 years, from 2013 – 2016. The prorated cap number equals $ 3.33 million per year for 4 years. The ( 1st year – $ 3.33 million cap reduction ) was already accessed in 2013. This leaves a balance of approx. $ 10 million ( dead money. ) If Dion Jordan is traded ( this year ) the Dolphins can use the ” June 1st exemption rule ” which will only require the application of the salary cap reduction for 2014′s dead money, which is ( $ 3.33 million.) The balance of the ( dead money ) which is approx. $ 6.65 million, must be ( applied ) reduced from their cap in 2015. The balance of his ( base salary ) and ( roster bonus ) money due from 2014 – 2016, would be transferred to the team that signs him. Yes the $ 13.3 million cash already paid, will be hard to swallow. ( actually only $10 million worth, because he was on their roster, and did play, in 2013 ) The team must move on and get picks, and/ or players, that can fit their scheme and contribute. The lost cap space can be overcome, by signing and drafting players that want to be there and that can contribute. There is no ” cap space ” trophy, ….. if there was, the Eagles ( my team ) would have won it by now.

  • cliff henny

    pump the breaks…Jordan got popped for weed. in phase 1 of nfl drug testing.
    .

    http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/02/28/miami-dolphins-rumors-potential-dion-jordan-trade-could-have-multiple-layers/

    • peteike

      blame Oregon (not Canada)

      • cliff henny

        every been to that school…there’s more weed smoke than oxygen in the air!

        • peteike

          no but I live in CO so I can relate

          • cliff henny

            still so many “earthy girls” out there? lived in Lake Tahoe for 6 months, could never get used to it

          • peteike

            no, maybe in Boulder and in the mountains but not even. Boulder is a college town. One of the healthiest states in the country, women are all in shape. Def better than Philly but center city always has some hotties

    • GEAGLE

      Good, hope he is friggin cheaper. Get your ass traded out of Miami Dion!!! You know you have a home waiting

      • cliff henny

        by this, you mean your couch, w/ personal ghonny geagle servant

        • GEAGLE

          He can have my bed and I’ll take the couch!!!

  • peteike

    Dolphins would have to take a beating moving him, just dont see it. It would benefit the Eagles Id think if they do make a deal. Just sounds like a losing proposition moving a high draft pick a year later, good luck getting that value back. Trades never get same value for team losing good player (minus Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams of course)

    • GEAGLE

      Reports just surfaced that they would also trade Mike Wallace and Cameron Wake..those are BEATINGS!!!!!

      • peteike

        ouch really, whats he doing over there pulling a Hinkie

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That may be smoke & mirrors so that Dion isn’t singled out as a possible trade bait but nothing comes of it.

  • Corey Dawson

    Graham for Jordan straight up? Graham is older, but more proven as a 4-3 end. Jordan is younger, but unproven. I imagine some picks would have to be exchanged as well, but in which direction?

    • GEAGLE

      We 100% would be the team including draft picks

    • RIP illa

      Gotta throw in a pick or 2.

      • UKEagle99

        Yup, you can have our 1st rounder next year and Graham… you’re picking 32nd btw. What? I can dream cant I :)

        • RIP illa

          Lol. Perfect.

    • A Roy

      If only they were that stoopid.

    • UKEagle99

      If we managed a straight swap then Howie would be stood next to Darren Sharper, just sayin’. We would be sending picks to them, without a doubt.

      • Michael Myers

        lol, loudly…

  • ACViking

    Is last year’s Dion Jordan a Top-5 pick in this year’s draft? A Top-10 pick?

    I’m assuming for the sake of argument he can do all the things that made him the No. 3 pick in one of the leanest 1st-Rounds in years.

    Would Jordan, if on the big board, be ahead of Mack? Or Barr?

    I mention this only to put Jordan into some kind of 2014 context. If traded, the acquiring team is not getting a Top-3 pick. Not in 2014. More like a Top-10 to Top-15 pick.

    And if that’s the case, then Jordan’s affordable.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Thank you. That’s what I’ve been saying basically. If it costs us our #22 pick for last year’s #3 pick, that would be worth even top 15 this year & you’re assuring yourself that you’re addressing a position of need, pull the trigger.

    • TheCatalyst

      In terms of 2014 context, I think Jordan is definitely worth it. We have precedent in Kendricks. He was an outstanding 3-4 player who was a disappointment in the 4-3 his rookie year, but then shined this year. I can see Jordan’s career having that same boost by coming to this 3-4 with Kendricks, Barwin & Ryans at captain.

      • RIP illa

        For some reason I like the idea of trading for Jordan more than drafting Barr, if he were to fall to us. Anyway, if we were to aquire Jordan, our LB group, would be bigger, faster, wait a year or two for stronger, and more versatile. And it’s not set in stone that Barr will be on the board when we pick at 22. Jordan is infinitely better than any other option in the 2nd rd.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          That’s my point. He’s better than tier 2 OLB prospects this yr and he’s already got a yr facing NFL LTs, plus he’s added the bulk & is now healthy. Much less risk involved this yr over last yr.

          • cliff henny

            get the benefit of a raw player using his red shirt year to bulk up, plus having Miami paying him the signing bonus money. eagles would save time and money.

    • ICDogg

      Even in 2013 context, knowing what we know now, Jordan would likely not be in the top of the first round if the teams did a do-over of last year’s draft.

      And, you’re trading for one less year of a rookie contract than you’d be trading away.

      On the plus side, you’re also reducing cap space, since Miami would be absorbing the cap hit (and for that matter, the largest portion of Jordan’s compensation) since his bonuses have already been paid out. Miami would also, of course, have to pay the bonuses for whatever draft pick they obtained.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol if there was a do over. He woulda fell to us at 4 and he would be an eagle lol. Our coaches and gamble think extremely highly of him, this isn’t even up for debate. We would trade the 22 pick so fast for him if Miami is down

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Greg Gabriel is saying that if Jordan is in fact available, expect Philly to be in those discussions.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Mike Wallace trade would net MIA about 8.5M towards cap, Dion Jordan would have 5.33M cap hit per sources on Twitter.

    • cliff henny

      they’d eat 10m. he got a 13.5m signing bonus, prorated over 4 yrs. could split it up into 2 yrs, maybe that’s how coming to 5m. guarenteed salary and roster bonuses transfer to new team, but signing bonuses have to be taken by trading team.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Sounds about right.

  • GEAGLE

    Cowboys cut interior OL reserve Phil Costa 26years old who has 20 starts, will be cheap, and I’m wondering if Howie views him as a G/C version of Barbre?

    • cliff henny

      channelling my inner token, that guy sucks

      • UKEagle99

        Everyone sucks

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah sure that’s what everyone said about Mathis and Barbre the day someone posted that they had been cut. I get it

  • ochospantalones

    I am curious what type of draft picks people think Graham, Curry and Bryce Brown would get back in trades. When I see a lot of these trade proposals it seems like a lot of people overrate our trade assets and assume that by including these players it is like including a first or a second round pick. That seems highly optimistic to me.

    So, if you were to trade each of these guys straight up for a single pick in the 2014 draft, what would you get? My guesses:

    Graham: 3rd or early 4th round pick
    Curry: 4th round pick
    Brown: 7th round pick, maybe late 6th

    • Richard Colton

      A third? come on.

      • ochospantalones

        I can’t tell if you think that is too optimistic or too pessimistic. Given that he is a backup with 11.5 career sacks, an injury history and makes $1.6 million I thought a 3rd round pick was pretty generous. Which is to say I could be more easily convinced he’d bring back a 4th or 5th rounder than I could a 2nd (which has no chance of happening).

  • Weapon Y

    Allen Barbre might be a guy the Dolphins want. DE is a strength already, so it might not make sense for them to want Graham or Curry. Their OL is putrid and needs new starters. Barbre can definitely be a good starter IMO.

    • Richard Colton

      Maybe we can package Barbre, Tobin, and Graham and get Dion Jordan and their 2nd round pick. Throw in Bamiro and we get their #1.

      • Weapon Y

        We need to be realistic. The fairest deal IMO is Dion Jordan for our 1st round pick. Obviously if the Dolphins Front Office is a bunch of chumps and they demand less, then we pounce on that opportunity, but I’m expecting a steep price to pay for Jordan. If we could do something like our 2nd, Barbre, and Graham for Jordan, I’d be happy. Granted I’d hate lose talented players like Barbre and Graham, but we’d get Jordan and keep our 1st round pick. It’s just a matter of how desperate Miami is. Because this leaked to the media, it sounds like Miami lost a lot of leverage which is great news for us.

        • Richard Colton

          Just teasing you Y. Barbre is a journeyman who didn’t play last year – he’s worth nothing to another team. If by some miracle we get Jordan for anything less than a 1st round, beers are on me.

          • Weapon Y

            My bad. I’m terrible at perceiving sarcasm through text.

            Any scout who is worth his salt will be looking for those cheap, up-and-coming guys (like the Eagles did with Bradley Fletcher who was a Rams backup CB) to be a starter. Barbre fits the bill. Watch film of him in preseason and against the Packers, and he looks legit. I almost think he should be in the starting lineup ahead of Herremans. Granted, my original argument was that Miami SHOULD be asking for a 1st round pick, so obviously I agree with you there.

      • James Skip Carl

        Lol

  • Joe L

    In case it hasn’t been said already, the Dolphins are going to want entirely too much to move a guy they took #3 overall last year. I don’t care about what the Browns did with TRich, it doesn’t apply here.

  • igglesfaninportland

    Dion is bust move on. Called it last year. He never performed that well in eugene. He fast as any just
    Week at the point NFL Tackles will always handle him. KVN is better did better in college and would take his spot on most teams.

  • Jeff Asay

    Graham or Curry plus a 4th. We need our top 3 picks.

  • Texaseagle

    Would love a mid round project wr. Evaluate our wr group after the year. If djax tears it up again let Mac chase the payday. If Mac tears it up trade djax and sign Mac.

  • Greenblood 20

    Brandon Graham,Vinny Curry, and a 3rd for Dion Jordan?

  • anon4284

    just spit balling after reading a post of Jimmy’s

    http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/&id=2480174

    DJax and a 3rd for Dion Jordan and a 2nd

  • Vincent

    Curry fits here, he a damn beast! he needs to stay here because hes a big piece of this upcoming defense