Eagles Wake-Up Call: Three Notes On WR Prospects

NFL: Combine

Howie Roseman said last week that there will probably be a wide receiver the Eagles like every time they’re on the clock in May’s draft.

On Sunday, the deep class of pass-catchers took the field for workouts. Here are three items worth noting, with an Eagles slant.


1. Those hoping the Birds add a big wide receiver to the mix are going to like what they see out of this class. One guy whose stock seems to be rising a bit is Texas A&M's Mike Evans. Evans measured in at 6-5, 231 and ran a 4.53 40. He's also got 35 1/8-inch arms. As a point of reference, Lane Johnson has 35 1/4-inch arms. Add in a 37-inch vertical, and Evans figures to be a difficult matchup for NFL cornerbacks.

Here's how NFL Network's Mike Mayock sized up Evans:

Texas A&M wide receiver Mike Evans, who is 6-foot-5 and 231, had a 4.53 clocking, and "that's fine" for a guy his size, Mayock said. Mayock is high on Evans, though he says Evans must become a better route runner. "He is going to have to learn how to create separation with his body," Mayock said. Still, Mayock says he is "a top-15 pick in today's NFL."

Many fans would love for the Eagles to snag Evans at No. 22, but it seems unlikely that he lasts that long.

2. Of course, there will be other big-bodied options. We wrote about Vanderbilt's  Jordan Matthews during the Senior Bowl. The 6-3, 212-pounder ran an impressive 4.46 40. Having caught 112 balls for 1,477 yards last season, he has the production too. Matthews did not make Mel Kiper Jr.'s top-10 list for wide receivers and could be a Day 2 option for the Birds.

Another name to keep an eye on is Penn State's Allen Robinson. Robinson ran a disappointing 4.60 40, but there's still a lot to like. Robinson has size (6-2, 220) and tested well in other drills like the vertical jump (39 inches, sixth-best among wide receivers).

Robinson averaged 119.3 yards per game last season, third-best in the nation. It'll be interesting to see how the slow 40 time affects his stock.

3. If last year is any indication, it's worth keeping an eye on Pac-12 guys whom Chip Kelly could be familiar with. Oregon State's Brandin Cooks (5-10, 189) led all receivers with a 4.33 40. He had the production too, leading the nation averaging 133.1 receiving yards per game last season.

USC's Marqise Lee (6-0, 192) was Mayock's No. 2 overall wide receiver going into the combine and ran a 4.52.

And finally, don't sleep on Josh Huff. We wrote about the Oregon wide receiver last month, and he seems like he could be a nice fit to play the slot if the Eagles let Jason Avant go. Huff (5-11, 206) is not going to blow anyone away with his measurables (4.51 40), but he was a productive player who could fit what Kelly's looking for in the middle rounds.

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Former Oregon tight end Colt Lyerla wouldn't mind landing with the Eagles.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com looks at the top-10 combine performances among current Eagles. One name that makes the cut surprisingly is backup offensive lineman Allen Barbre:

Backup offensive lineman Allen Barbre is just kind of a body, right? Nope. Barbre is a legitimate athlete and a nice fit for the Eagles offense. When Jason Peters went down during the season and Barbre had to fill in for spot duty, he played well, and looked natural running out in front of screens. And he should. Since 1999, only 6 OTs ran a faster 40 time than Barbre (4.84), although as you can see below, he is an undersized OT.

Speaking of O-Lineman, here's one that caught the eye of Iggles Blitz's Tommy Lawlor:

Xavier Su’a-Filo is a very interesting guy. He played LT and OG for UCLA. Mike Mayock relayed a really good story. Coach David Shaw of Stanford recruited Su’a-Filo a few years back. At some point Shaw watched a pickup football game where Su’a-Filo played Safety. Granted, Su’a-Filo probably wasn’t as big back then, but that’s still pretty crazy. Shaw said Su’a-Filo backpedaled and looked good in coverage. He even picked off a pass. Does that sound like the kind of OL that Chip Kelly would like or what?

COMING UP

Plenty more from the combine and a continuing look at free agent safeties.

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  • NickS1

    Realizing where we pick keeps us out of reach for likely Evans and KB, I wouldn’t mind a haul of Cooks and Martavis Bryant.

    • GEAGLE

      KB could be on the board, after yesterday he should be on the board, but teams picking before us that missed out pn Evans like the steelers or ravens could reach for him

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Live in Raven country now & there has been a lot of talk about a big receiver to replace Boldin, whom they realized was a mistake trading away. Plus they want/need to get Flacco some weapons to go along with his hefty paychecks.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I don’t doubt it…but ravens will lose at least 1 of their OTs and there is a good chance there is a highly rated OT when they pick, same with steelers…fans all say steelers need a big WR to replace Sanders, and Ravens need to replace BOldin, but when you have major problems on the Oline, fans may not end up getting the sexy skill position they covet

        • Richard Colton

          And that could be Ebron too.

    • Eagles4Life

      Martavis is TERRIBLE.

  • TNA

    The next evolution of the draft combine… Free agent combine. I’d love to see how FAs measure up against the kids coming out of college. Not equating measurables with success; just want to see how actual NFL players do in a contrived environment that is the combine.

    Here’s a question to explore. Is the depth in this draft unusual moving forward? Given how many underclassmen are coming out, will drafts the next 3-4 years be barren? Or if this amount of “talent” becomes the new normal, then wouldn’t the level of NFL play just rise — meaning new standards of talent?

    • GEAGLE

      Some smart people worry about next years class being watered down because all the kids we projected as top pics in 2015, decided to come out early…

      • CJ

        Agree. There were some pretty good QBs who stayed this year so that shouldn’t be a bad position next year, but next year won’t be near as deep a draft as this years. If we traded a pick or two from next draft to get more this year, I normally hate that idea, but if you’re going to do it, this would be the year.

        And yeah, to Adam’s point below, as long as there’s an NFLPA, there will not be a FA Combine.

      • BleedGreenJames

        To be fair, Mariota is a stud from the pocket that can run.

        • GEAGLE

          To be fair. He can’t hold FOles nuts!!!

    • Adam

      Haha you think the players union will ever agree to that? A chance for teams to see a guy is actually a bum and not over pay for him? Not a chance.

      • TNA

        I actually think a player combine would help NFL players that continue to improve and hurt those that become slobs. For instance, I think it’d help Vick – potentially negating arguments that he’s lost too many steps or athleticism or too mentally slow to play the QB position. Plus, it’s just an extra data point after their record of work on the field. It’d of course be voluntary as the current (undrafted) combine is today.

        • Adam

          Exactly. It would help the owners and the teams. Something that only helps certain players will not be something the players union agree upon. Free agents are brought in to teams to work out all the time so it’s something that’s already being done. But we will never see a mandatory combine for free agents.

  • Tom w

    Pryor measured in 3 inches shorter than his listing by Louisville at 6 2 down to 5 11. That big bruising box safet ain’t so big anymore and couldn’t cover to begin with. Don’t see why eagles would waste a pick on him know when there are atleast 4 safeties w better size and two w better cover skills. More of a reason not to go safety in rd1. Haha goes back to top safety

    • Joe L

      I don’t think he can’t cover. Being a Rutgers guy I got to see a lot of Big East/All American whatever the hell conference it is now so I saw tons of Louisville games and he can cover better than you’re giving him credit. Problem is now it looks like he’s got a bigger matchup disadvantage than we thought against TE’s.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah I don’t get where this absurdity started of him not being able to cover…everyone likes him because he hits, I actually liked him cause of how he projects in coverage…5’11 is rough tho…they called him a big bob sanders, now he might just have to settle for a Bob sanders…

        He is fortunate this draft class is trash, because the measurement shouldn’t kill his stock too much. Teams have such big safety needs that he still probably doesn’t make it out of round 1. Dudes talk about 5’8 Joyner as a first round safety, so this shouldn’t cost Pryor too much

        • Tom w

          He was never asked to cover the slot wr or te in man … Just deep center. Never demonstrated cover skills so I don’t know what you are projecting. Watch the Ucf game he misses a bunch of tackles and looks late reacting to everything. Now we learn he can’t cover any tes cause he is 5 11 let alone a big wr. I would stay far away from safety in the first round otherwise you are just pushing guys up bc of need. Id rather take someone with actual one on one cover skills like haha but id pass on both at this point. Those same teams who need safeties need otackles wrs and edge rushers … Wouldn’t be hard for any of them to pass on safety in the first round. 3 inches is huge difference. May take Pryor completely out of eagles measurables

          • GEAGLE

            Projecting the same thing scouts for every team are projecting, first round talent!! Lol

          • Token

            How do you know what scouts project? By media mock drafts?

          • GEAGLE

            Stop it silly…I was calling players like Pryor first round talents when media consensus was he was a 3rd round pick…..I watch players and come up with my own oppinion, and I often go out on a limb and go against the consensus…it’s all archived

          • Token

            Ok. But like I said, how do you know what scouts project? Mock drafts certainly give you zero insight to that.

          • GEAGLE

            If I see something, I can expect the clueless media not to pick up on it, but I can count on scouts seeing it. They don’t miss anything…

            Scouts never viewed Pryor as a 3rd round pick,the media did that..I knew scouts wouldn’t miss the obvious and he would eventually be a first round pick…
            ,.l
            I can remember 3 months ago, Richard Colton brought up the Louville’s safety in round 3 and I said he will be a first round pick by the time the draft came around..and Colt said “geez that high?” This was months ago, if little ol me can see it, I can count on the scouts not missing it

          • Maggie

            Scouts never miss anything? So why did the Eagles fire much of their scouting staff after Smolenski and Gamble arrived? Why is there constant criticism about the last few drafts before 2013? Drafting is based on scouting.

          • GEAGLE

            Go away. U know I don’t read what you write

          • Token

            Id say Colt was probably right. Closer to a 3rd round player than a 1st in terms of ability. Weak safety draft is what would drive him up to a 1st rounder if it happens. Not talent.

          • GEAGLE

            He is DJ Swearinger. Second rounder in a good safety class, first rounder in this class…believe it or not, many scouts have him rated much better in coverage then haha which is what made him jump Dix in the rankings..many evaluators have a problem evaluating Dix because he was NEVER asked to cover anyone, being allowed to roam centerfield…Dix being looked at as a Better cover safety is media bullshit caveman thinking “this guy hits hard, this other guy doesn’t so he must be better in coverage” it’s total crap…just because Pryor is violent and can hit everyone just assumes he can’t cover. It’s the TJ Ward effect

        • Token

          Just watch him. Doesnt have very good instincts in coverage. Now the size is another knock. Like I said, he will go in the first because its such a weak safety class and teams need safeties. Im hoping the Eagles dont waste a 1st on any of these safeties.

      • Richard Colton

        The Rutgers game was telling – Brandon Coleman isn’t a chump. He’s an NFL ready 6’5″ WR. Pryor looked like Kam Chancellor shutting down RU’s passing game.

        • dp03

          I’m a Rutgers alum and season ticket holder. No doubt that Pryor was great in that game, but you are really overrating RU’s passing game. Our QB, Nova, is inconsistent at best and Coleman was significantly hampered all of 2013 by knee surgery he had in the off season. He recently admitted that he played each game somewhere between 50-100%.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think Colt was leaning more towards Coleman’s size than just his play/skills alone.

          • Richard Colton

            Two things I never undervalue DP – The Rutgers passing game and a Fat Cat from Jimmys.

  • GEAGLE

    Sheil, you write a post about big bodied WRs and you don’t include Moncrief after what he did yesterday?

    • eneagled

      Also, I wonder why he didn’t mention Robinson’s performance in the cone and shuttle drills. These would provide a direct evidence that he is fast making cuts, even if he is only average in a straight line.

    • cliff henny

      i’m definitely back on the 2 wrs bandwagon. plus archer or DAT, Mac come back healthy, offense could be set for years. plus still have picks to get olb and safety. d-line os young, could pass on taking a guy for a year. o-line, i’m just not as worried as other about age. guards can be found, and peters is a freak, no reason to think tha’ll change anytime soon.

      • Token

        Need a guard already on the right side. Peters has a year or two left maybe. Then you need a tackle. Mathis is getting up there. Its something they should be thinking about right now, in addition to the many other needs.

        • cliff henny

          can rehash the oline,but there’s no way of knowing what’s behind starters, they just didnt play. tobin bamiro and d kelly are all young, barbre could step in for herremans or peters if injury. i dont even worry about guards, they can be found. eagles found mathis. eagles could spend a 3rd-4th or 5th pick on o-line and still get 2 wrs.

  • TNA

    Eagles should conspire with Phillies to bring Jameis to Philly for ether football or baseball. That kid can pitch. And play a decent QB.

  • Richard Colton

    Su’a-Filo yeasted himself into the top 40 IMO, solidly ahead of Yankey. If somehow he’s there at #54, he needs to be in the conversation, no matter who the Birds drafted at #22.

    • GEAGLE

      I thought there was a chance he would rise to Warmack, Jonathon Cooper status and get himself drafted as high as 12 to the Giants, guards are once again Becoming important in the NFL..not sure why we ever devalued them, considering pressure up the middle turns every great QB into a bum…I didn’t see his combine stats yet, so I’m not sure if he climbed to Warmack status, but that was the recent thinking about him

      • Richard Colton

        We consistently disagree here. You know I’m open to a lot more positions early in the draft. And I know the Eagles like players, measureables, and skill-sets more than they like drafting certain positions. I’m not pulling for a guard…they usually have terrible highlight reels and its a boring draft night. But I’m feeling a lot better about our O-line moving forward if we get some depth.

        The Mathis thing was great. The thing about “diamonds in the rough” is that if it were that easy, they wouldn’t be diamonds.

        • GEAGLE

          I actually don’t put it past us to draft a linemen early…I just can’t be on board with it if we go into the draft with 3 major holes at safety,Nickle OLB pass rush and young WR…handle our business, trade or sign solutions so we can take a G or a T if they are the best player on the board…dude, I played Oline my entire life, how could I devalue them?…I just know our Oline will be better then people think, and that goes for Todd,JP and Lane, along with kelce(who is ridiculously inexperienced still)..and another main reason why I would like to see us wait to invest a top pick in a OG is because I adore a guard who plays for Oregon and could be the top guard prospect next year. Love to draft a OG and not have to project how he will fit in our offense…

          Mathis is a diamond in the rough, but not Barbre..Barbre is just a solid quality backup, and I see no reason why our scouting department can’t find another Barbre..

          But at the end of the day, I won’t complain if they draft a guard or a tackle that I really like, like Xavier

          • GEAGLE

            I also expect our line to be solid enough to where we can afford to add a mid rounder instead of a first rounder…but this is a deep class for OL, I’m sure we will take advantage of it at some point! I just prefer it not being in the top 3 rounds, but when the time comes I probably wouldn’t hate it

          • Richard Colton

            I see this O-line group as deep in rounds one and two, but with a major drop off afterwards. Again, it wouldn’t be my 1st or 2nd choice, but if we ended up by stealing Martin or Lewan at #22 or Su’a at #54, I’d be happy.

            Of course, that’s predicated on them addressing the Safety issue in FA. If that doesn’t happen, my expectations change.

          • GEAGLE

            Su’a at 54 seems like a major steal to me. I don’t know that we could turn that down if he is on the board…I like Martin because he can play every position, so I can def see the value in that…..I like Lewan because he is a dickhead, and I like my OLINE to be dickhead assholes!!!

            The first two rounds are so deep with OL, that I can’t imagine them all getting drafted and none falling to round 3…the kid from Nevada upped his stock BIGTIME. I like the kid from BC..a lot of good OL to be had, problem is, I can say the same exact thing about WR,OLB pass rushers, and there is even some good CB depth

          • Richard Colton

            well said.

    • Maggie

      David Shaw likes him. That’s a good enough reference for me.

  • GEAGLE

    I love how everyone like haha Dix, but those same people hate Malcom Jenkins lol who the hell did Yous project Haha to be like? Lol JENKINS!!!!

    • Token

      I dont see all this HaHa drum beating. I hear mostly about Pryor. Who reminds me kind of Brandon Meriweather. A shoulder throwing big hit instead of sure tackle kind of guy. I remember hearing how Meriweather was kind of raw in coverage but athletic enough to improve. Kind of like Pryor. Just doesnt often work out like that. If you aren’t covering very well against college athletes, its a lot to ask to improve a ton at the next level.

      • Tom w

        Yea I’m w you. I need someone who I can trust in coverage.

        • Token

          NFL is just different now. I could really care less about a big hitter back there. Its just gonna be a penalty or injury. Coverage comes first. If you can hit too thats a bonus.

          • GEAGLE

            F that…tired of one of the other, get me someone who can do both. Even if Nate gets it together in coverage, he will never provide enough run support. Cant have safeties who get trampled for the sake of coverage…get me well rounded safeties who can play the pass and give enough run support. Can’t imagine how awesome our run defense woulda been last year with a guy like Ward or Berry behind them

        • GEAGLE

          Lol you need someone you can trust in coverage? Then you better stick to free agency, because rookies can take time bro..these rookie safeties that come in and dominate day one don’t really exsist anymore

          • Token

            Vacarro was asked to do a lot in coverage this year. Thats a different class of safety tho. Think Reid did well in SF this year too.

            It can happen. But neither of these guys look like they are gonna step in and be very good, if they ever are at all.

          • cliff henny

            everything Reid did well, in playoff game against Seattle beastmode broke his ankles-and i was hoping eagles would get him in 2nd. regardless of who they take, 3 man rotation of vet wollf and rookie is going to need a really good passrush.
            .
            i’m already get nauseous thinking Eagles get bounced in playoffs because they didnt address safety enough.

          • Token

            Whats scary about our situation is we all mention Wolff as if hes for sure gonna be ok in one spot. It could very well be that we need 2 starting safeties. We have no clue what Wolff really is yet.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, agree. but a yr ago if was about 1 ounce in a keg on Wolff, his college tape was not good. if his nickname at nc state wasnt wrong-way, they missed one. but what they coached him up to be in short order was impressive. with him, think it’s glass half full half empty deal. i think worst case he’s equal to Allen, cheap young and freaking athletic. i can live with him at 2nd safety, getting pushed by rookie, aftersigning vet to stop gap contract. safety play is so bad in nfl, no one is going to let anoyone any good hit free agency, looks like a position eagles will have to draft and develope.

          • Token

            Right there with ya. He looked like hell on tape. Horrible instincts. I dont think that just goes away in a offseason. But he made some good plays last year. Still really questionable to me going into this year. Especially when you add in the weird injury crap at the end of last year. Team cleared and wanted him to play and he refused.

          • GEAGLE

            Cary Williams doesn’t bullshit and he doesn’t sugar coat. He has also seen greatness at safety up close all those years with Ed, if he believes in Wolff, I think that’s a very good sign. Can’t imagine Cary said many good things about Chung and Nate…

          • travis papa

            We absolutely need an upgrade at safety but we might have lost 2gms bc of our secondary Denver and Minnesota. We didn’t lose to NO because of the secondary or safeties. I blame a slow offense early & a couple ST breakdowns. Overall D was solid. No body has done anything to improve their team yet period. Give it a month to complain first.

          • Maggie

            Also let’s not forget a few more sacks and hurries up front would reduce the workload for all the DBs. A little more pass rush, please!

          • GEAGLE

            If you want to have any chance stopping a run game with your Nickle defense (cough saints) you better have some safeties that can come up and shut that run game down…Kam Chancellor could have been the difference in that Saints loss

          • GEAGLE

            You ain’t finding much of that in this class, and those safeties were also sorrounded by good defenses..guys like Cyprien didn’t have that luxury.
            ..
            Pryor and haha ain’t Vaccaro and Reid,.Pryor is the best safety don this class and last year he would compare to DJ Swearinger, who wasn’t at the top of last years safety class…
            …You can take a guy like Ed Reynolds this year, but he is very nAte Allenish, which isn’t bad, Nate was a quality prospect! but odds are he won’t be a true game changer..
            …All I know is we need to add a serious talent to our secondary to make all the complimentary pieces like Cary and Brad work, how we go about getting this talent, your guess is as good as mine. As great as the draft is, it’s not a good year to be desperate for safeties…guys like Buchanon nd Baily I like a lot, but I would hate to pencil them in as rookie starters…Joyner you can only draft if you already have two good starters, because I see him as that sub package secondary moving chess piece, but I have no interest in 5’8 starters..Ward remind me of a smaller McCourty, and some people are saying he could be moved to CB…

            Safety problem is starting to become very impressive

          • Richard Colton

            depressive. for me anyway.

          • GEAGLE

            My freak out meter is up there (odd for an alleged Rosey optimist like me, Rosey optimist? Or just a good judge of talent? Lol I digress)…but yeah half the time I’m freaking out, the other half I’m depressed about it….just can’t believe we are still in this position with safety

          • Tom w

            Don’t want my safety starting day one. Still want the safety i draft havingn coverage skills including man coverage skills not just deep zone. Vaccaro Reid Thomas berry all started day one and did fine though.

  • Token

    Dee Ford:

    “I’m better [than Clowney],” Ford, also a pass-rushing draft prospect, said during the interview. “Let’s put it like this. People like to talk about size all the time. Size is pretty much overrated in my eyes.

    “You can look at guys like Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller. These are 6-2 guys and under. People are just looking at the fact that [Clowney] is a physical specimen. Honestly if you watch the film, he plays like a blind dog in a meat market basically.”

    “I play with a lot of technique,” Ford said during the interview. “I watch a lot of film. These are the things I do, and it shows up.”

    Im gonna go ahead and maintain my stance that Clowney has a pretty decent chance of being a outright dog. Can a guy just turn it on at the next level? I think his motor sucks. Dont know that he even likes the game very much. Obviously wasnt working out for the past months benching just 21.

    • JofreyRice

      Don’t think he’s lying. Clowney hasn’t had to work hard to dominate. Maybe that continues in the NFL, or maybe he rises to the first real challenge he faces and begins really working his ass off, but it’s a risk.

      • Token

        Now Dee Ford not doing the combine drills. Medical wouldnt let him.

        • Tom W

          Karma. Clowney just blew away the 40 at 4.47 Ford is twiddling his thumbs

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, but we all knew he was gonna do that. Don’t think you can give him an A for atleticism twice. Say he runs a 4.5 officially. Ok, so he’s .2 seconds faster than Lane Johnson over 40 yards–Johnson outweighs him by like 35, 40 pounds, right? We saw there is a lot more to it than just track and field ability, and Johnson never had any question about effort.

    • GEAGLE

      Ford said clowny plays like a blind dog in a meat market lol no technique….

      This Clowney being a dog BS is just the cool thing to say these days, he will go on to be a beast. Rookie wage scale means you don’t get to be a dog any more. Dude is going to want his big second contract, so he won’t get to just cash in on a 30million dollar rookie pay day and then dog it…Clowny will be a beast, this is just the BS nitpicking that happens every year to guys like Clowney and Lee who we have been talking about for years. I’d trade 22, a 3rd and a 4th to get him

      • Token

        hard to change personality like that. If you can quit once you can quickly make it a habit. Pretty obvious the kid hasnt exactly been a gym rat after the season either.

        • GEAGLE

          Quit? Or preserving his lottery ticket

          • Token

            Some kids just want to compete. Thats what drives them to be great. Dont know if he has that. Im trying to think of an example where a guy just turned the switch on in the pros. Its a personality type. Not just something you can turn on and off. Just my opinion.

            Either way hes not gonna be a Eagles so I hope he sucks.

          • GEAGLE

            Cheers to that

    • Eagles4Life

      That quote cracked me up…and I actually agree with it lol.

    • GEAGLE

      Sounds like an idiot trying to use Clowneys name to boost his name brand recognition…I’d think he was cooler for saying that if he would have actually competed with Clowney today

  • anon

    Auburn edge player Dee Ford will not workout at the NFL Combine due to medical reasons.

    • Token

      Yea whats that about? Was really the only guy I wanted to watch today.

      • anon

        they said it’s connected to a herniated disk surgery he had a while back.

        • Token

          Damn. Pass. Dont wanna mess with chronic back problems.

  • anon

    Clowney ran 4.47

    • Will

      I think it will come out to a low 4.5

    • cliff henny

      dont buy this Spurrier bs that Clowney was doubled and tripled teamed every play. unfortunately living in SC, i see about 90% of his games, and i hate the gamecocks-easily the most delusional fans you ever want to meet-but JC defintiely plays when he wants to play, and rarely shows up huge against named oppenents. he’s the type of player that makes me nervous, he’s been physically better in every game his whole life, but that’ll change when he gets to nfl. have to wonder if the work ethic is there, cause it wasnt in college. sure he will be good, cause his is a freak, but top 2 or 3 you are thinking multiple all-pro’s.

      • Token

        Wouldnt touch him in the top 5 personally. Seems like a dog. His everyday demeanor seems like he could lay down and take a nap at any second.

        • anon

          worse than miami taking dion?

          • Token

            Coulda been us taking Dion. Yikes, bullet dodged. Thanks Miami.

            Dion played like 46% of snaps. Clowny prolly trys on around that percentage of snaps.

            But its still not as bad as Dion. I think that kid hates being physical.

          • GEAGLE

            Bet u he becomes an eagle on day :)
            Hopefully Kyle long too
            I actually think it could happen if Chip sticks around long enough…don’t know how Kiko feels about Chip. Think they butted heads if I remember correct

            Dion will be developed and ready to come home right around the time Barwin gets old lol we may even trade for him in a year or two, and let Azz unleash him!!!

        • CJ

          I wouldn’t paint with that broad a brush. It depends on the team. For example, if I were Houston with JJ Watt working is ass off on the other end, I can feel better drafting Clowney knowing he’ll be held accountable and pushed by his locker room and a player with a talent and track record good enough that Clowney can, should and probably will respect.

          If I’m Jacksonville or another team more lacking in leadership in my front 7, I’d run. I think he has a high bust risk if he’s not in the right environment, but there are some out there where he’d do quite well.

          • Token

            I dont think guys like Clowney generally care about that kind of thing. A dog is a dog. Its a personality thing.

            Maybe he can flip a switch in the pros. I wouldnt bet my money on it tho.

  • cliff henny

    Matthews in 2nd, maybe another WR in 5th like Moncrief or Huff, Sign Maclin to a Bradley Fletcher like contract, 2 yrs with only 1st yr guarenteed 2nd no dead, so if he goes off Eagles have some leverage. Sal cap is up to 132m now, Eagles are 26m under before some moves, plenty of money to toss extra 1m his way. hope Barr falls to 22nd, should be a safety in 3rd or 4th they like, Reynolds Bailey Brooks. can picture a draft where i’m not able to sit for 2 weeks, or Howie goes off the reservation and we’re all scratching our heads. ugh, 73 days.

    • Andy124

      Barr is to Andy and Evans is to cliff.

      • cliff henny

        yup. i’d go nuts if Evans is there at 22. though Old Dirty Bastard closed the gap some, to point if both are still floating around in late teens, not sure i’d trade-up. Beckham bring a ton to the table, special teams is immediate upgrade, and in 4th or 5th can get big body recr like coleman or moncrief. so many WRs in this draft, think i’m back on the 1 early 1 late bandwagon. i cant even imagine how anyone would defense a healthy Mac, Jax Shady Ertz, ODB, Moncrief, DAT/DRI…good luck…and realistically that offense can be held together for 3 or 4 yrs.

        • Andy124

          Good thing for me is that this staff has earned back my benefit of the doubt. If they make a pick that goes against what I wanted, I’m assuming they’re right and I’m wrong.

          That used to be the norm for me, but hasn’t been lately. We’re back to that now.

          • GEAGLE

            Same…it’s really nice to actually trust that the front office knows better then us…it sounds crazy, but I don’t see how we could say that for all of Andy’s drafts. BG over Earl is one of 20 situations I could think of where fans were right the moment it happened, but that’s actually a bad example because BG was a quality prospect but the Teo’s, Jarrett, I don’t think temple students were happy we drafted him lol..

        • GEAGLE

          I don’t care that he was slow as crap, I want Landry in like the 5th… Tough mofo. I actually like Landry more now that he had a bad combine lol

          • cliff henny

            hopefully teams cross him off their lists. you know howie and chip will be standing front and center at lsu pro day, so landry will get his real shot with philly then. go jordan matthews early and landry later, that’ll work too.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah it would. I think Jordan is ready to start on the outside. So polished, great route runner, had no clue he was this athletic…he may not be the explosive Cordarrel, but i can see him as a Hopkins type

          • cliff henny

            get barr at 22 and matthews in 2nd, still leaves 3rd or 4th to get safety. wouldnt complain about odb in 1st, your boy smith in 2nd, moncrief or coleman in 4th, leaves 3rd for safety. draft a boring oline guy in 5th.

          • GEAGLE

            That all sounds sexy to me….I’m gonna be pissed if Lee is the WR we end up with

      • Tom W

        Give me either … dont think we can afford to trade up to 11 to get either and no way Evans makes it past the ravens or steelers … but if Barr does I would pounce on him at 18 or so.

        How is Barr getting Taller?? he is 6 5 now. holy shit. kid is still growing.

    • ohitsdom

      I don’t see why Mac would sign a 2 year deal with no guaranteed money in the second year. Either he doesn’t come back from his knee problems, or his does and has a good year. In the first scenario, the Eagles cut him. In the second, they get him for another year for cheap. Sounds like a lose-lose to me for Mac.

      • cliff henny

        he would just hold out, but at least eagles have some leverage. might have to give him a little more in 1st year to get that 2nd, but i wouldnt do a 1 and done with him, just in case he blows it up. and, in nfl, there’s very few true 1 yr contracts. overall though, that’s my issue with maclin, he is a rental. why i wouldnt have an issue with drafting odb cause he’d be taking over full duties in ’15. sign cooper and draft someone larger in 4th 5th like moncrief or coleman to push him for time.

  • Andy

    Andy Reid would draft Xavier Su’a-Filo and move him to safety.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Damn I don’t know how I feel about these 40 times coming out. deanthony Thomas with a 4.5 and Riley Cooper ran a 4.56 doesn’t seem like it should be that way. that being said. love to have a big body that can move and block and go up and get the ball. Mike Evans seems to be the real deal. Jordan Mathews too. but I was impressed with Allen Robinson, just seemed like a smooth athlete. I know chip is familiar with Cooks and he was very impressive. but for value id take a guy quick in space for the slot like Huff who was mentioned above. solid built kind of like a rb. and keep both Coop and Maclin. on the cheap. I know JM may come cheaply but I hope RC takes a discount to stay. be real huge for us on offense. I think chip sees how well Nick does with big bodies. Brent. Zach. Riley. and how he loves to target them. get him some more. and take a OLB in the first unless they see someone fall who they must have.

    • Andy124

      4.5? I haven’t seen the official times, but his unofficial was 4.34. Was it really that far off?

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        yeah its crazy. Thomas official was 4.5…
        bad day at the office for a track guy

        • Token

          Did he really run track? Surprising because he has bad form. Drags his feet like 3 steps off the line. Weird thing.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            yeah he has on the team. I saw that. hes a scraper..maybe hes not too bright

          • Token

            Chip had him on limited snaps right? Cuz he couldnt really play WR since he couldnt run routes and catch that great. Then he tried him for a number of plays in the backfield.

            I just dont know that hes a NFL weapon. Hes fast on tape. But can he catch well enough? Can he run a route? I dont see him being that great out of the backfield in the NFL. Its like having DeSean back there. Speed alone isnt enough.

            Good thing is Chip knows him better than anyone. So if we pick him he obviously thinks he has what it takes.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            yeah come May we will find out if he is around when our pick come and he passes

          • Maggie

            Some 100 meter track guys are actually faster in the last 50, so would look slower in the 40.

    • cliff henny

      DAT is not 4.5. he anchored an all world 4 x 100 relay team at oregon…i can guarentee that guy is world class fast. some of these times make no sense. why nfl doesnt use lasers to time, is dumb. wasnt jax like 4.4. he leaves 4.3 guys in his dust.
      .
      true shorter slot guy, campanaro ran really well and he’s a 7th. my guess is kelly’s looking at guys in rd 1-2 that can play in and out.

      • Token

        I thought they did? Thats the official times. NFL network times are just from Charlie Casserly who probably barely knows what hes doing these days.

        • cliff henny

          think it’s hand started, which can cause problems. i read something about it the other day. seemed like nfl teams seen enough guys run, that they can tell without the times.
          .
          if anything thinks dat runs 4.5, i’ve got bridge to sell them. just watch KO return from bowl gamecouple years ago, he was flying

          • Rick H

            Compare Archer at official 4.26 forty 1.46 10 yard split 38 vertical 10.2 broad jump 20 reps at 225 lbs to Thomas 4.50 forty 1.57 10 yard split 32 vertical 10.4 broad jump 8 reps 225 lbs. They are both 5’8 173 lbs. These are official times. I can’t tell you a lot about Archer as a football player though.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        I agree with you. I like campanaro. and those 40s are nuts. they showed djax time the other day official was 4.34. deanthony has to be faster than that 4.5 makes no sense. martavius Bryant looks super atheletic as Watkins..WR is def pretty deep as they said

    • Rick H

      Please count me as one fan the really wants Cooper back in a big way and Maclin too but if I had lose one (and it would be a extremely super difficult decision) I am going with Cooper. However we definitely need another go to receiver in addition to Cooper or Maclin.

  • Rick H

    Putting in game Production & combine measurables you seriously have to look at 2 wide receivers JANIS & COOKS. Oregon’s Thomas is becoming a real big question mark for me.

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      I like Janis…he was impressive

    • Tom W

      midgets though … we got enough of them esp if we resign maclin for a year. Chip doesn’t want to duplicate players ie. djax – cooks. Chip will want size like benjamin or adams or moncrief or matthews or uber athletic ability/returner like ODB

      • Rick H

        Janis is 6’3″ 219 & ran an official 4.42 forty plus a very impressive 1.46 second 10 yard split (one of the best of the wr’s). ***Keep in mind that both of those official numbers are better the Sammy Watkins (4.43 & 1.50 official) Don’t get me wrong Watkins is incredible but Janis is very impressive!
        Cooks is thick/athletic and is a great football player! Cooks is 5’10″ 190 who ran an official 4.33 forty plus a 1.50 10 yard split not to mention his hands are 9 5/8 which are huge for his size and big in for any size. Cooks is thick/ fast and super productive with 1700 yards last season alone Very different then D. Jackson.

        • RIP illa

          Nice. Cook is what everybody is wanting DAT to be.

          • Rick H

            One thing I have been keeping my eyes on (for what it is worth) are verticals and standing broad jumps. To me they indicate explosion. For instance kudos to Geagle for putting me onto 6’2″ Moncrief 4.40 official forty 39.5 vertical & 11.0 standing broad jump (that is awesome!)
            Some other guys that have similar explosion.
            6″3″ Allen Robinson vertical 39″ 10’7″ broad jump,
            6’1″ Davante Adams V 39.5 & B 10.3.
            6’3″ Janis V 37.5″ B 10.3″. (fastest 10 yard split 1.47 of all wr’s)
            A really little guy (too little or too skinny/light for me but incredible numbers at the combine)
            Tevin Reese 5’10 163 lbs 4.46 forty 41 vertical 11′ broad. Wow!
            Marquise Lee wasn’t super fast 4.52 forty but he had a
            38 vertical and 10.7 broad that makes me understand why he is a great football player and why he has had such success.
            Same thing with Moncrief,Robinson,Adams & hopefully Janis.
            So when it is all said and done I like to match the football performance heavily first and then add in these measurables.
            Excluding Watkins & Evans & (maybe)Benjamin, I am looking at Moncrief, Allen Robinson, Adams, Lee and suddenly Janis.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah we have to look at the other numbers too. I generally get a feel for their explosiveness when I put on the tape. Look at how they cut and how fast they get going again and other things. Like you said, those numbers are more closely related to actual on field stuff. I don’t generally make a big deal of it, cuz I already have a feel for them. So unless they come up horrible short or kill to astronomical proportions, it all evens out.

            Moncreif, Janis and a few others are what I thought they’d be. Still making up my mind on Robinson, and never been a big fan of Lee, but he really impressed me during drills. Earned some real respect. Lout of the guys who we have an actual chance of getting…I’m going ODB as my 1st WR selection, and right now I don’t care what round. 1st sure do it!!! And then I’m coming back in the 4th or the 5th and getting my Big if neccessary. However, w/ the new Cap #, I’m expecting to resign both Mac and Coop. So I may not pull the trigger on a big in the 4th or 5th.

          • Rick H

            I like your thinking and agree. A guy that had a poor combine Landry would be a steal in the 4th or being really greedy the 5th. What do you know about Beckham specifically as a football player? Is he a serious go to guy on 3rd down or clutch situations? I only know Janis from the combine. Any football player information on him?

          • RIP illa

            To me he has one of the best set, if not the best set of hands in this draft. And I’m really wanting to say THE best set. So you get hands like Avant with Maclin ability. If we were to draft him, while retaining Coop or getting another big, I could see him being eased into to more and more PT as the year goes on. Kinda like Ertz. I think he starts off on the inside and is put in motion a lot, when we’re not ghosting DJax. Think he would easily tear up safeties and LBs. I was expecting his route running to be way under developed, however after seeing him work at the combine, I don’t think he’s that far off or outside of the norm for a rookie. The only question mark I have on him is how would he handle playing on the outside, against physical corners. And we won’t know that until he plays. But the kid just has it for me. Remember when Steve Smith (Giants) blew up that one year. I think that’s the type of player he can be on a consistent basis. Of course if we drafted him, I don’t expect him to get 1000+ yards season in and season out. There’s only so many plays in a game, and we already have DJax, Ertz, Celek, maybe Mac/Coop or Both.
            Don’t know too much about Janis other than he has size and speed and a nice set of mitts. He’s gonna have to prove he belongs at this level when he gets into the league. See him as more of a developmental guy, along the lines of Coop. Just way faster.

  • RIP illa

    Aaron Donald is a physical freak!!! Damn, if we we still played a 4-3 I would draft him in the 1st. Wonder if we could use another end. Wish he was a few inches taller. He dominates on the field and is dominating the combine.

    • GEAGLE

      Better hope Dallas don’t take him…dude had a scary day

  • anon

    Clowney done for the day.

  • RIP illa

    This Thomas thing is getting ridiculous. The kid is a complete luxury pick for a team who’s roster is further along than ours. He’s fast…ok I get it. I love speed. But guess what??? There’s a bunch of guys who are just as fast and faster than him, that are actually way better receivers!!! I don’t see how he’s above a 5th, for a team in our position and don’t still wouldn’t take him in the 5th. You want a little guy w/ tons of speed that can be an OW??? Start w/ Dri Archer and work your way back from there. Then you’ll eventually get to DAT.

    • cliff henny

      personally, i’m using DAT as catch-all, the slot hyrid RB/WR/returner. thought shepard had some of that in him. Kelly used that position at Oregon, we’ll see after this draft if he thinks that needs to stay there.

    • Andy124

      True, but 5th and later is where you swing for the fences. I’d rather take boom or bust guys late than guys with low ceilings and high-ish floors. There’s certainly a chance he could impact games so I’d be fine with taking him late, starting with our second 5th round pick.

      I reserve the right to completely contradict everything I just said depending on when he’s drafted and what kind of career he has.

      • RIP illa

        upvote for the last line

      • Chris

        you could write for ESPN with that attitude!

        • Andy124

          What makes you think I don’t?

  • Adam

    Hate the wide 9, but Clowney would just be unreal in that front with that speed.

    • Richard Colton

      Boom/Bust kid. Say he comes out same year as Mario Williams. Better D-line prospect? I doubt it. Since i’m 99.9% sure he goes top 6, it’s not a problem the Eagles have.

      And speaking of the Eagles…how much better is the ’14 draft than ’13? If we had the 4th pick this year, we could have had the ability to trade down four spots or so and still get an O-line prospect as good as Lane. At least we dont have to pick a QB from this flotsam.

      • cliff henny

        not only dont they need a qb, got nfc east title 10 wins when the homerists of homers were searching for 9. plus, ’14 wont be a lost yr of rookie qb developement. not to mention the cost of picks to go from ~15 to 5 maybe higher to get qb. then the money found from drafting early instead of having to go out in free agency. then hear howie batting average approach…howie, this is found Foles money, man i hate that line, especially this year.

        • Richard Colton

          if only there was a solid free agent solution to their Safety/Pass Rush problem, I’d be having more fun getting ready for the draft.

          • Tom W

            still holding out hope even if buffalo franchises him that he freaks out and tells his agent and bills he wants to be traded. buffalo looks for a deal after the draft. trade him for a 2d in 2015. renegotiate a long term deal w him.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. I said that a while back when I compared it to the T.O. situation. The team still has SOME leverage here. Even if Byrd isn’t in their plans long term, why not bluff the tag and see if they can work a sign & trade?

            If getting Byrd means a player friendly deal plus a mid-level draft pick (2 is exorbitant – a 6th and a player a la T.O. should be enough) I’d do it.

          • Maggie

            Byrd for a 6th? With 32 of 32 teams all looking for a safety? 25 of 32 teams desperate for a safety? Hmm.

          • Richard Colton

            It has to be a team willing to pay top FA price as well. So (just like the TO situation) the three parties mutually decide what’s fair in terms of salary and draft pics. A higher pic isn’t reasonable because the threat of keeping the player really isn’t there.

          • cliff henny

            true, just hate the batting average line. he should be saying steve nash free throw percentage average. eagles have enough money instead of getting 8 middle of the pack or bottom w/ bad knees, get 4 just below the top of the pack healthy guys. he makes it sound like it’s ok to hire guys that you think might fail. no company in the world spends resources on a guy they think might fail. it’s stupid thinking. wish i was a reporter and he used that line, i drill him as to which moves were driving batting average down, and why he went that route then. it’s like howie has sold fans that it’s ok to hit on 50% FA, and the ones that miss are FA’s fault, not his. bringing in broken down blown knees like philips benn and jsn phillips, when could have combined resources and found 1 guy that could of helped.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’ll take medium risk, medium reward (Cary & to a lesser extent…Fletch) over low risk, no reward ANY day (all 3 you mentioned above & add in Chung).

          • cliff henny

            exactly, do 4 c-wills barwin type contracts instead of 2 and 6 where went 1/6, and b-fletch is closer to a barwin than most realize. i dont want filet ever FA, but dont ground chuck me 50% of the time either.

          • Maggie

            Once again, drafting or FA pickups are based on scouting. The Eagles fired several scouts a year ago, after Gamble arrived. Roseman can’t scout EVERYONE by himself. He has scouts on one side touting some player and Smolenski or Lurie on the other side saying, let’s keep that cap room healthy. Then he’s besieged by “media” all demanding that he tell every single smidgeon of the Eagles plans to the other 31 teams in the league. And finally he has commenters on boards like these threatening bodily harm. I don’t think that anybody here would want to be in his position in reality. He still knows more about the NFL than anyone here. And no, we’re not related. Just realistic.

      • Adam

        Agreed. I would have been heavily skeptical of him if we had to take him. I don’t question his ability but I’m just not sure about his “heart”, if you will.

  • RIP illa

    Ealy disappointed me with his 40 times, but looks real good in drills so far. Fluid and nice change of direction. Gotta go back and watch some breakdowns to see how his get off looks. But right now he’s more Trent Murphy than I would like.

    • Tom W

      I’m not seeing him as an olb in a 3/4 … nice 4-3 dend though. W you on disappointment about his 40 but waiting to see what his broad jump and 3 cone and 20 yder are. … that ‘s more indicative of elite nfl edge rush production

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I have to agree 100%. Watched him the other night (NOT just highlight reels). Seems an awful fit in 3-4. Not an athlete that can move in space & rush the edge from a stand up position. 4-3 DE, yes but I still question his burst off snap & closing speed. Could turn out to be more of a LDE workhorse type. But definitely don’t see 3-4 OLB at all.

        • Tom s

          Yea more strentght and size than speed like Aldon smith.

    • cliff henny

      he’s often associated with Dallas. other guy see them taking is Donald. know it’s wrong of me, just kids trying out for their dreams, but i do root against anyone Dallas is sniffing around.

      • RIP illa

        I don’t blame you. I have a list of players that I’ve seen mocked to Dallas that I don’t want to see them get. And if they do get them, I’ll hate that player for life :-)

        • Richard Colton

          Jerry’s still in charge. Anything’s possible. Jimmy Garapolo in round one?

        • cliff henny

          worst news is nfl sal cap is going to be 132m, looks like Dallas doesnt have to restructure as many as i thought. eagles now 26m under. but, jerry is sniffing around hatcher, who wants paid, that’ll require cooking the books.

          • RIP illa

            Exactly. I am amazed at how they cook and tight rope their books and the cap each year. SMH, I would hate to hve that job and be under that stress.
            Good news about the cap 2nd rise, is the only reason we should not re-sign both Coop and Mac is if some team goes crazy for them (mainly Coop) and gives them like 6-7 mil a year. We should be able to re-sign both now.

          • cliff henny

            think 8m combined gets mac and cooper back. heck, that’s just the new cap icrease and getting d-jax inline, which everyone knows will happen. still have 15m after casey chungs avants are adjusted/cut, easily get that up to 20m, plus 10m rollover. batting average…i’ll bail next guy out who punches howie when he uses that line.

          • RIP illa

            Exactly.
            Thanx cuz I don’t wanna sit in a cell for long.

          • cliff henny

            nothin worse than those overweekend county vacations, waiting for the judge.

    • Richard Colton

      Shouldn’t have to run 40…unless somebody re-signs Joe Jurevicius. How were his 10yard splits?

      As far as Im concerned, I’ve seen Kony2014 rush the passer. If he 3-cones and transitions into coverage like you seem to be suggesting, I’ll happily move him ahead of Dee Ford on my wish list.

      • RIP illa

        I think his splits were in the upper 1.7s. He’s having a not so great combine all around, within reason. Everything is coming out towards the average, nothing really standing out like A-a-Ron Donald

        • Richard Colton

          Well that’s good news for you as a Kony fan, isn’t it? He may very well be there at #22

          • RIP illa

            No not really. I expected more from him. This performance is not worthy of a 1st rd pick. I cant stand when guys don’t show up on the big stages. Also, I really loved him cuz of the height/weight combo, but I will admit, that he is an upside guy more than he is a guy that has tangible skills. Adding all that up, including that we would be switching him to stand up, and I cant justify us using a 1st rd on him. Would make me a hypocrite, since I dog Benjamin for the same thing. If he fell to our pick in the 2nd, then maybe.
            I’m on my new thing now…Instead of us looking for length at ROLB, How bout we start looking for width!!! with the 1st round pick, THe Eagles select LB A-a-Ron Donald!!! Man I cant get enough of this kid right now. His numbers put true LB prospects to shame.

          • Richard Colton

            hahaha – OK Illadelph. No more Combine for you today man, you’ve gone combine-crazy.

    • Eagles4Life

      I was hoping his 40 would be better, but he looks like he has bend and fluidity. I’d take him if he drops and the cupboard isn’t what we thought it would be at 22.

      • RIP illa

        Agreed

  • Tom W

    Chip has said that he doesn’t want to duplicate skills his players already have. At wr we have the speed to take the top off the defense in djax, coop tall big blocking wr who can make some plays in traffic, maclin good all around wr w speed polished route runner good hands. Doubtful they get a speedy midget like cooks in rd 1 like s smith or djax. more likely a physical freak like evans (won’t be there), benjamin (probably won’t be there), or odb (speed/quick/st player too).

    I expect us to wait till 2d round to tab a wr unless evans or benjamin are there. Even if benjamin is there, I could argue there is a better player there at another position tuitt sheed ford edgerusher x so we pass on him and look for wr in the 2d w adams from fresno st., moncrief from ole miss, or matthews from vandy … all big wrs w speed.

    Wait around till the third and we could be looking at Bryant from Clemson … another tall wrs … bryant a phsyical freak at 6 5 running a 4 33 but little production at Clemson and left early bc of family situation ….

    4th round and later … Robinson from PSU (4.7 time killed his value), Coleman from Rutgers and Huff from BYU ………..or take a second little wr Landry from LSU and take advantage of his slow 40 …

    • Richard Colton

      I agree. Think I might pass on Benjamin at #22. Strikes me as low floor/High ceiling. JR called him “Benjamomah.” That said – if you’re a Cleveland fan and you get Manzeil at #4 and Benjamin at #26 to pair with Gordon…could be something to excite the fan base.

      There’s a lot of WR talent, but only two have really looked like future stars: Evans & Watkins.

      • Tom w

        I wouldn’t go momah … Put on the fla st Florida game where Benjamin puts up 9 for 230 and 3tds against two corners going in first 4 rounds of this draft. I could see martavius Bryant being compared to momah.

        Benjamin has only played college ball for two yrs keep that in mind.

      • cliff henny

        kelly with ODB could be a dream pairing. it might be doubling up on Maclin type talent, but issue with Mac is he’ll only be a rental if he puts up big numbers.

        • RIP illa

          Now you’re getting it. :-)
          Said it yesterday and I’ll say it again…He would give us everything we always wanted from Mac but never got. Consistent, way better hands. Return ability. YAC. More toughness. The ability to line up in the slot. I’m loving this ODB!!!

          • cliff henny

            with moncreif in 4th or 5th, lyerla as udfa…you guys decide the rest of the picks, Folesy and me are hanging half a hundred

      • Eagles4Life

        LOL “Benjamomah” is extremely insulting and far from the truth. KB will shine in the league, but he’s going to need a year.

  • TNA

    re: DAT running slow at the combine
    There’s no way a legitimate track star is running slower than his peer group. Either he’s dogging it or he has nagging injuries. Not sure why he’d dog it unless he wants to depress his stock and get picked up by a specific team (read: Eagles) that knows his “true” speed. It could also be that he’s slowed down a bit since his 2012 season due to injury. I dunno. His combine 40 speed is just weird.

    • Richard Colton

      You’re suggesting that a player might intentionally sabotage his combine performance to lower his own draft stock? Did I read that right?

      • GEAGLE

        It actually happened yesterday. San Diego running back was ready to perform at yesterday’s combine and he left because “god told him to” lol basically he sabotaged his stock, didn’t run, because it’s a dream of his to play for the Seahawks lol

        No I didn’t just make that up

        • Richard Colton

          Not doubting you. But that’s the most insanely idiotic thing I’ve ever heard. Where is his agent? Or any grown-up for that matter?

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahaha hey man, God told him to!!!!! Profootballtalk reported on it this morning…crazy huh?

          • Richard Colton

            What’s he going to say when “his team” passes on him in all 7 rounds, then he signs a UDFA contract for no guaranteed money, tears an ACL in camp, then takes an injury settlement from the NFL for 25K and a free t-shirt?

            RBs have one, sometimes two opportunities to make a lifetime of money. I’d like to slap him in the mouth.

          • GEAGLE

            Wish someone would interview the people close to him…Seems like GOD has given him some bad advice

      • Jerry Pomroy

        He wants to play for Chip that badly…cough, cough…snicker

    • RIP illa

      I don’t know about dogging it, but I’ve never seen a legit track star who’s touted for his speed, run a 4.5…unless that guy’s a big man (height weight). And I find it hard to imagine that someone who trains to run through track, can be “off” that much when running the 40. Everybody has bad days, but damn.

      • Token

        Im not taking a guy whose 5’7 120lbs unless he runs much faster than a 4.50

  • GEAGLE

    Marcus smith just looked good..wish he was more 6’5 then a shade under 6’4 but his arm length should make up for it(tho I didn’t see the exact measurements yet)

    • Tom w

      Which drills? Hope his arms have grown.

      • Andy124

        Make him play tug-o-war against a hippo every day for a month. Stretch those arms right out.

      • cliff henny

        no worries, gawd knows what Hals has in the basement of the Novacare Center. wouldnt be surprise if he had an updated version of a midieval rack/stretcher.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Don’t care really. In cleats he’s a shade over 6’4″. If anyone looks like a legit OLB coming off the weak side in a 3-4, it’s Smith. He’s got the perfect blend of speed, strength, athleticism & size. Plus I love his propensity for the strip sack that he’s been working on perfecting.

      What did he weigh in at? I believe he was listed @260lbs prior to the combine.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah man, I would be surprised if we don’t target him. He projects as a heckuva OLB pass rush, who also is stout against the run, and he can drop in coverage and has some experience running with TE’s, he even had an INT as a junior…dude ran a 4.76 which was faster then 3 of the 6 prospects ranked higher then him..hopefully he doesn’t shoot up the draft board because he would be a major steal for us in round two

        • GEAGLE

          I actually fell in love with Marcus when I was trying to watch film on Pryor. His talent just jumps off tape. I’m not used to seeing 4-3DEs who were doing some of the things he could pull off in space…and then when you read up on him and you track his growth from one year to the next, it’s evident this is one of those kids that keeps improving at an alarming rate. Former QB you can count on him having the FBI to excel at OLB. I think he was ridiculously polished this year for how little experience he has playing defense..

          My favorite players are the ones I fall in love with when I wasn’t even trying to watch them..like KVN jumped off the screen when I was trying to watch Ziggy..Marcus jumped off the screen when I was trying to watch Pryor..Those are the prospects I get high on the most, the ones who you can’t help but to notice, even when you aren’t trying to

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Which means he has been getting by mostly on talent. I’d say the coaching started to really show this year. I like that he’s willing to pass up the “perfect” blind side crushing hit/sack for an attempt at going high & stripping the ball. Getting a 12yd loss on 3rd down is great. But getting your offense a 1st-10 without losing field position on a punt is the best you can ask for outside of a defensive TD of course.

  • GEAGLE

    Phiadelphia inquire reports Malcom Jenkins as a target of the eagles lol.??I gave it to yous two weeks early lol don’t believe me yet….you will

    • cliff henny

      maybe you are the source they’re sighting.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol, I would NEVER give those hacks anything!!

        • cliff henny

          any idea about money yrs he’ll get?

          • GEAGLE

            He is young enough to where it’s going to be a 4 or 5yr deal, but I’m sure Howie is crafty enough to build out clauses in round 3. Like I said, saints expect to retain him at like 3mil per, so 3.5 -4m per year should get it done

          • cliff henny

            4m, that’s nothing, wouldnt even bother me to see him get beat out and sit for a yr or so at that money, which is really what we want. think this is the rabbit hole eagles are forced into, with reid’s garbage safety drafting. least davis and crew shown they can develope wolff, target another crazy athlete in 4th-5th. he has to be better than nate, and i’m sure combo of wolff and rookie will be better than chung. heck, didnt wolff start over chung coule times.

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir…hopefully, draft picks are ready to take his jobs ASAP but he is a former CB, so even if we get lucky and safeties we draft take his spot, we will still get contributions out of Jenkins in some 3 safety sub packages…I know Jenkins isn’t anyone to get excited about, but to get a kid that young, but so experienced both at safety and CB would be a win for this FO, especially if Byrd and Ward don’t hit the market..
            ..
            People say Nate might be better, but I totally disagree. Jenkins isn’t a game changer but he isn’t as bad as fans are making him out to be. Hopefully he won’t start for us for too long, but he will always have some type of role while adding emergency depth at two positions…unless we are ok adding dudes close to 30 like Whitner and bathea, but I have no idea if we would even consider free agents of that age

          • cliff henny

            know davis loves that 3 safety look. not sure what anyone saw in Allen to want him back. all i saw was a guy asked not to lose games and better coaching which should translate to every player. best games were when we didnt even know he was out there. 4m, that’s what Nate will get too, so even if MJ is lateral move talent wise, if he provides flexibilty, thats at least an upgrade.

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir…I wonder if having Jenkins and Wolff is enough to add a hybrid like Joyner? We would have to be sold on Wolff starting IMO to pull that off. Then Joyner would be playing that 3rd safety role that we hope Jenkins eventually gets demoted to, so I’m not sure he would be worth the picks…but if we were to add two midlevel starting caliber safeties like Nate and Jenkins, I think we could add a Joyner type…

            Wish our media would ask Howie if he is going to try to keep Nate from hitting the market or not,instead of asking him hypotheticals about other teams players that he isn’t even allowed to mention by name…we know we will ATleast try to get Coop and Mac to sign an extension before they become free agents…you would think a media member would ask about Nate…smh

          • cliff henny

            doubt they’ll sign 2. eagles might be a year away from luxury picks like joyner.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I’m afraid you may be right

          • cliff henny

            big tank night for sixers. this is nba’s nightmare. Young would get the ole ‘stomach flu’ and bench would get crazy minutes. dont think a win would effect being 2nd worst, but a loss would get bucks in stricking range. big minutes for moultrie and mullens.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh man losing to the bucks and the magic this week would be huge. Bucks are a minus two favorite on the road tonight hahahahaha we friggin suck!!!! We are a home dog to the bucks!!! I’m a Giannis Antenkoumbo groupie. I want us to save all our money til he becomes a free agent lol:
            MCW
            WIGGINS
            Giannis
            Nerlens

          • cliff henny

            0-2 and takes chances of embiid or wiggns up to 50% i bet. i’d flat out tank these games. they can try the other 24, dont think it’ll matter. lose these 2, doubt they’ll win 3 rest of the yr.

          • oreofestar

            yes!!! we got raped

          • cliff henny

            yup, by good old mr. slippy-fist. wonder if buck have 5 or 6 wins left in schedule, cause siers might win 2 more.

          • oreofestar

            I am hoping the Bucks finish off better and win like 8 or their lat 28 that would be great because the sixers will not hit 20 wins he way it looks

    • Michael Deen

      Like an Eagles Prophet you are…

  • Sauce

    Don’t waste a 1st round pick on a WR, that class is so deep. Go on a great Safety or OLB on the first picks, then bring some guys to challenge DJax and Maclin/Cooper. I like those guys like Huff, and Moncrief. Even Street from Pitt looked great

    Kelly system shows you don’t big playmaker, Cooper wasn’t really a starter caliber before breaking this year

    • GEAGLE

      What if the top Safties don’t make it past the 18 of 21 teams who need safety picking before us? And the OLB we want is Marcus smith in round two?

      • cliff henny

        and ole dirty is sitting there. he and jaccpot can can get the wu-tang clang back together

        • GEAGLE

          Im down to turn the Linc into the Brooklyn Zoo…shame on you!!!!

      • Sauce

        Then Go Cornerback, their some studs out there and we really need more depth in the secondary.

        And yeah guy like Smith or the guy from BYU can be a great 2nd pick, learning behind the last year of TCole

        • GEAGLE

          Eww god no..I hate these CBs…
          ..
          Btw, watch for Bradley Robey rising back to the first round and possibly becoming the first CB drafted regardless of his horrible season….
          ..
          Only round 1′CB I would want is Gilbert, and I don’t even know if he is any better then Jean Baptiste who can be had ATleast a round later. If we are keeping the 22 pick we need either:
          1) a kid who is ready to step in and contribute from day one like baby Randall Colbb OBJ
          Or
          2) a special athlete with ridiculous upside to mold into a player down the line like KB or Barr..

          These corners won’t add a damn thing to our defense in 2014, so I’d rather exploit the depth of this corner class and wait til rounds 3-5 to take a kid who will need to be developed before adding anything to our defense..
          ..,
          Even a raw pass rusher is still going to contribute as a Nickle pass rusher…I dunno why, I just can’t get myself excited about any of these round 1 CBs

          • GEAGLE

            Just find it hard to believe that one of these CB will be the BPA at 22..and we don’t want to do dumb shit like the Lions who will take one of these kids at 11 just because they need a CB…

            I’d rather have OBJ or Jordan Mathews then any of these round 1 CBs and both would contribute next year..If you are taking someone who isn’t ready to contribute he better have a ridiculous upside (Barr/KB)

            Curious to see how these CB perform tomorrow

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I’m not so sure Smith or KVN last until #54. I think teams will be more impatient with pass rushers starting towards lower end of rd1, knowing that they can wait on positions like WR, OL & CB & still get good value well into rds 3 & 4.

        This isn’t a great CB/S class for top tier talent & if you’re looking for depth, I think you’ll find it in mid rounds. The fact that the top CB/S are projected mid to late 1st means that there just isn’t a game changer sure fire all pro to be had. Dennard, HaHa & Pryor are good players but could easily be 2nd rounders in another draft.

        • GEAGLE

          I agree,,,there isn’t a single DB that I would feel like we have to have in round 1….and I have NO issues seeing us take KVN or Marcus at 22. I believe in those player. Getting players at the appropriate value matters, but it matters more that they end up being players, and I think KVN and Marcus can become as good as anyone in those draft. I love Khalil Mack! I was talkng about him before mocks even knew his name! but I’d rather take Marcus at 22, then trade picks moving up for Barr or Mack….I’m so Freightened that someone would steal KVN and Marcus before 54, that I would not be complaining to see us draft them at 22….such an important position and we know BG and Cole aren’t the answer

          • Jerry Pomroy

            My thoughts exactly. I don’t think either of those guys are reaches at 22, but you can’t undervalue them either & then hope you can pick up someone later. Pass rushers are a premium & at 22 you’re pretty much picking from the best of what’s left from players that should be solid starters & could potentially be impact players.

  • GEAGLE

    Reports that Joe Banner had the coordinators reporting directly to him…wtf? What a maniac.