Jairus Byrd Staying Put?

NFL: Tennessee Titans at Buffalo Bills
INDIANAPOLIS — Hopes for a Jairus Byrd-Eagles union are fading fast.

It is questionable whether the Eagles would pony up the necessary coin to land the top safety on the market. It could be that Byrd never makes it onto the market in the first place.

Byrd was tagged by the Bills last year as well.


Similarly, the Browns have made it a top priority to keep T.J. Ward in-house.

Howie Roseman suggested this was a possibility when speaking to the local media on Thursday at the combine.

“When you say an ‘A’ player on the market right now, is that player going to get tagged, is that player going to be available?” he said.

If Ward and Byrd get locked up by their current teams, the top five available safeties would be  Donte Whitner, Antoine Bethea, Chris Clemons, Louis Delmas and Malcolm Jenkins, according to Rotoworld's rankings. 

“Sometimes the option is just to get through the moment and to do some stop-gap things," said Roseman. "And I’m not necessarily saying that’s what we have to do at a particular position, but if you look at the teams that have won the championships over the last couple of years, they’re not perfect at 22 spots. And I think there’s a big difference having a weakness at a particular position as opposed to being solid and getting through. That’s going to be the important thing.”

  • anon

    NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports “several teams” have failed Alabama OT Cyrus Kouandjio on medical exams at the Combine.

    Kouandjio has reportedly been diagnosed with an arthritic knee stemming from a “failed” college surgery. — Rotoyer

    If i’m him i’m calling a lawyer to talk about a med mal suit

    • Marilyn Monbroe

      Poor guy

    • GEAGLE

      And he had a bad combine…someone will still draft him. Delmas got drafted with a degenerative knee condition.

      • ACViking

        The point is, I think, CK will lose a WHOLE LOT of money because of the allegedly negligently performed surgery.

        Now, we won’t know anything until after the draft. And there’s uncertainty attached to every player’s draft position.

        But if CK’s a 4-7 Rd pick or FA, and could put a group of expert talent evaluators together to say “but for the bad knee, he’s a sure-fire Top 50 pick,” then CK’s got a shot.

        There’s more to the discussion, but that’s a start.

        • GEAGLE

          I Think he will drop because of the horrible combine he had yesterday…had he performed, someone would have taken a shot on him inspight of the injury(someone drafted Delmas)..but the medical report AND the bad combine is going to kill this kids stock…

    • JofreyRice

      Man, that is really rough for the kid. To not make it because of work ethic, or whatever is one thing, but he trusted those doctors–it was out of his hands. Hopefully it’s correctable with another surgery.

      They say the medical exams, which don’t become public, generally, are the most important part of this process.

      • Richard Colton

        Well, you know CK is a guy I’ve had my eye on for the Eagles. He’s almost certainly dropped out of the 1st round now. If the Eagles clear him medically, and Stoudtland will vouch for him, he’d be an absolute steal at #54. I’d take him ahead of Van Noy and Jordan Matthews at that spot.

        • JofreyRice

          I like him a lot, as a player, but the medical would have to be right. I remember being amazed that Da’Quan Bowers was falling, falling, falling a few years ago. He was ostensibly everything you are looking for in a 4-3 DE. But then he spent most of his rookie year on IR, and it started to make sense. I’m right there with you if everything’s all good, but if there is a chance Kouandjio’s knee is degenerative, or badly damaged from a botched surgery, I wouldn’t want the Eagles to take him.

          • Richard Colton

            My hope was – an O-line hungry team like the Cards or Dolphins would fall in love with Cyrus and that Zack Martin (who makes a lot of sense at #22) would fall. Now, unless Moses miracles his way into the top 20, I think we take Martin out of the first round conversation.

    • Weapon Y

      Could drop a lot like Jesse Williams did in the draft. Might be worth a gamble around 4th round. Could get him and Lane Johnson as permanent tackles if all goes well.

    • dbag

      You’re what’s wrong with America. First instinct is to sue a Doctor, just because a surgery didn’t go well.

      Unless there was evidence of negligence, or if the Doctor violated HIPPA leaking results, then your instinct is wrongheaded.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    sounds to me they’re not interested in paying top $$$ for whitner, just like Goldson

    • JofreyRice

      ugh! Whitner has come a long way in just the past couple years. Byrd would be my first choice, but they can make a quantum leap at S by landing Whitner.

      • GEAGLE

        Think we are ok with his age? If he was Jenkins age I think he would be a no BRAINER for us…no idea what we think of him..dude had probably his best year, he has to appeal to us on some level..

        Don’t know what we will think of Whitner,bathea or Mitchell

        • JofreyRice

          eh, I think the quality of player you put on the field when you choose Whitner over Jenkins makes up for the 2 and a half year age difference, but that’s just my opinion. I think Malcolm Jenkins is bummy. Don’t see him as an upgrade on Allen–in fact, he might actually be worse.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t disagree with a word, and I promise you I’m not signing Jenkins if it’s up to me…I just fear that’s how they look at it.,..I’m trying to win a Super Bowl in 2015, so I don’t see why we would rule out 29yr olds…but I fear that Howie is more concerned with building “the right way” then taking advantage of this window where we pay our QB in peanuts,,.and if that’s the case it’s a real shame..I see no reason why we can’t take a shot now without it compromising our future

  • GEAGLE

    Get ready for Jenkins.. Boooooooo!!!!
    ..
    It can’t be this friggin difficult to fix one stinking position..we have two friggin holes, Safety and pass rush OLB, how is it too much to ask to fix one of these holes in FA.. I’m so damn worried about the safety position that soon I’m going to be hope for Nate..sad…

    • oreofestar

      That is not Roseman’s fault that Byrd and Ward will likely not hit the market as much as we would love them too.

      • GEAGLE

        What’s the excuse for Micheal Johnson?

        • oreofestar

          He is too expensive considering DE is not a big position of need

          • GEAGLE

            OLB is a MAJOR position of need..lol everyone is too expensive. Can’t improve your team cause it’s too expensive. Everyone has cap space, our QB makes peanuts and we can’t have one single sure shot upgrade? Our QB makes peanuts, we allegedly have no probowl talent, rolled over a ton of cap space, and we can’t pay for one player?

          • oreofestar

            But Johnson is not an OLB so I a saying that that is too much money to pay for someone who is not at a position of need

          • GEAGLE

            He isn’t an OLB because the team he plays for doesn’t play a 3-4, but I think he projects to OLB just fine,,actually I think he should never have been a DE to begin with…Everson Griffin is another DE who projects to handle the move to OLB….not ever DE that gets moved to OLB will be a stiff hips Cole,BG type…this kid can bend, fluid athlete, explosive first step, basically I think he is the prototype for what Chip and Azz want at OLB, just so happens he is on a team that has him playing DE

          • oreofestar

            Griffin yes, Johnson No I think even in a 3-4 Johnson has no business standing up

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he has played in a 3-4 before

          • oreofestar

            meh I do not like it but I would not be upset if we signed him

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            id be excited, he is an athletic freak at 6’5 long arms, pretty much what kelly looks for..

          • oreofestar

            If it happens I would be glad but I doubt it happens and I see him as a DE

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            i dont see him coming here tho, he will go reunite with zimmer in minny

          • GEAGLE

            If they let both Allen and Griffin walk….I’d be happy to take griffin

          • RIP illa

            Funny, cuz his former D-Coord who worked with him on a daily basis, thinks that he has all the tools to play rush OLB at a high level.

          • anon

            not allegedly

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he can also play OLB

      • anon

        There were way more safety free agents last year — instead of taking one we went the cheap route and survived.

        Howie’s gotta stop watching moneyball.

    • oreofestar

      I think the Bills would be stupid to tag Byrd he will hold out and leave next year so there is still a bit of hope but not likely we gotta start looking at Chris Clemons real hard and please not Whitner

      • GEAGLE

        Clemons sucks, we won’t even consider him…I’m obsessed with Dion, I watched Miami all year..he is bad, as in, not an upgrade to Nate..all name. No substance. Rather have the continuity of nate back

        • oreofestar

          That is ridiculous Clemons is solid and better than anyone we have had at safety since Mikell

          • GEAGLE

            Stop it…you never watched Clemons play ten snaps in your life. We won’t even consider him…guarentee he isn’t an eagle

          • oreofestar

            What I think we should do is go after Alteraunn Verner because great corners make the safeties better so if we go Verner than get Clemons(do not feel like arguing), allen or maybe mitchell than look to the draft than that is fine I guess

          • GEAGLE

            Apparently we are poor and can’t sign good players

          • oreofestar

            what do you mean Verner is great and I would say get a great safety if a great one was hitting the market but that is seeming less and less likely

          • GEAGLE

            That’s my point…don’t see a great player fitting “the batting average approach”
            ..
            Why wouldn’t I want Verner? Why wouldn’t anyone want him…but if we are spending big money, I would prefer it going to an OLB like MJ at the best, Everson Griffin at the worst,..or a safety. But yeah I’d be pumped if they announced we,signed a probowl CB, I just don’t expect it to happen

          • oreofestar

            Roseman said that he wold spend big on a unique player if they were not tagged he just did not mention a name so you don’t know, also Johnson is a DE and not LB

          • GEAGLE

            No..Johnson is on a team that uses him as a DE…he is plenty OLB, he might actually be chips OLB prototype..
            .,,
            I would love to see Alturuan in Philly, but it be a waste of resources, we can get away with our current CBs if we improve the pass rush and the safety…upgrading Cary and Brad leaves us with the same exact holes…the only reason I won’t totally rule it out is that Howie group up in this franchise when we had a really Rich CB tradition and we did well with CBs before the NNamdi debacle..so I won’t totally rule it out, but allocation of resources would make me surprised to see us add him

          • oreofestar

            I only see them going the Verner route if Ward and Byrd are not available, if those 2 are not available they will understand they will half to go for the mid-tier Clemons, Allen, Mitchell, Draft so you can alleviate that by improve CB

          • anon

            Unclear Verner leaves.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t think the titans keep him. Rams want him but they have Janoris and that other kid, rams stay poaching titans

          • anon

            Like eagles and texans.

          • travis papa

            Lets sign verner if we can’t get Byrd & move Cary to SS & bring back Nate. I could live with that

    • cliff henny

      what’s it gonna take to sign jenkins? will he take a chung or little more. i care more about years.

      • oreofestar

        I hate Jenkins so overrated

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I’m not thrilled about it either..I’m just trying to braise myself for it now, so it won’t sting as much when it happens

          • oreofestar

            yeah I get what you mean we need to keep praying either Buffalo or Cleveland lets their safety go

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah Chung money…put it to you this way, saints hope they can keep him at 3mil per year..4tops should get it done. Don’t like him, but I think we will settle for the jersey boy

        • cliff henny

          ugh. one good thing is i do agree with kelly, it’s all about the front 7. even seattles LOB gets exposed when pashrush doesnt get there. i’d have no issue still taking olb like barr at 22. really want c jones in 4th, but doubt he’ll be there, so 3rd. need someone who can cover tight ends. really want a wr in 2nd, but that moncrief kid in 4th think could be steal, especially if cooper isnt signed. so buchanon in 2nd works. it does really open everything up, no clue how they’ll proceed. signing a byrd/ward would have given alot of clarity.

          • GEAGLE

            I would never imagined we would still be doing this safety dance. Figured Gamble would have saved us by the time this years FA ended….it’s killing our flexibility..Pryor won’t make it to 22 because every team drafting ahead of us needs a stinking safety, so we will almost be forced to take one in round two, unless we dare not adress it til later, which I don’t even see how that could be possible if we have to settle for Malcom Jenkins types lol.depressing…

            Nothing we can do in FA to keep us from drafting a WR
            Seems like nothing we can do in FA to keep us from drafting Safety

            There are a few options at OLB to keep us from drafting OLB, but it won’t be cheap….but I think eliminating one of these 3 needs before we get to the draft will make a world of a difference..sigh

          • cliff henny

            do have confidence in coaching staff, though. said it before, but wolff played alot better than his college tape.

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely…but it’s not a question of being one safety short..we need multiple safeties, and that’s a scary though

          • Maggie

            Would have saved “us” by FA end? FA is just starting, not ending.

          • johnr

            No need to get depressed now. At least wait until they actually announce the Bills have tagged Byrd. It was a report from Ian Rapoport! I am more optimistic now than ever before. Dude Rapoport is always putting out misinformation.

  • Tom w

    Told ya wouldn’t be suprised if bills franchise him and do a trade to get more back than a 3d or 4 th compensatory in 2015

    • GEAGLE

      They will be stuck with him…no one is giving up much for someone they have to hand a 40million dollar contract to..when the hell does that ever happen in the NFL? IMO that’s wishful thinking on the bills part, and if they Tag him, they will end up stuck with him, he will hold out, and just leave next year…I’m not saying he has to come here, but I feel like this is really silly on the bills part. They had a ton of cap space for the past two year, why the hell did it ever get to this point? Minor league franchisr

      • anon

        They should just let him leave, take the comp pick and move on. Sucks to lose a stud though.

        • GEAGLE

          Friggin pay him them…you get what you pay for in life, want a stud, then cough stud money up…if not let him leave

  • Adam

    My bet for how the safety situation plays out: Resign Nate Allen, cut Chung and sign another mid level guy and let the cards play out in the draft. Not saying it’s what I want to happen or the popular opinion, but that’s just how I forsee it going.

    • G_WallyHunter

      With you there, if these two stay put who knows. Clemons won’t leave warm weather, Delmas just no, Hitner probably costs too much. Resign Nate and draft one

    • cliff henny

      dont see why they’d bring allen back. he was getting beat out by wolff after 2 games, if chung wasnt historically crappy. might just get really young at safety. my gut says this takes joyner out of equation. i could live with getting barr at 22, c jones in 3rd, and bailey in 4th. not optimal, but could live with it.

      • travis papa

        Seriously where did you see where Allen was being challenged by Wolfe? Please be specific.
        He’s no all star but he was the only steady & consistent starting safety we had. The second safety was wide open due to play and injury. Wolfe has tremendous upside but can he stay healthy & improve throughout his career it’s yet to be seen. Lets not anoint the kid before he signs his 2nd contract.

        • cliff henny

          besides being 4 yrs younger, non injured knees and extremely athletic, allen isnt good. worst case wolff in lateral move for 3-4m less. my other issue with Allen is people not understanding the market, Allen will get 3 yr of guarenteed money, cause safety play in nfl is just the bad. think there’s plenty of other options besides hanging onto a very mediocre player. did you see wolff college tape compared to nfl play and how much he was improved, and he did make some really nice plays in a short period-he had a great coverage in the flat on TE, supported run, all Allen ever did was not blow games. if howie and chip cant improve upon Allen then we are really wasting our time.

          • travis papa

            Friend that is not evidence Wolfe almost beat out Allen. I’d love for him to do that. But he has to prove he can stay healthy for 16+gms and have the heart to play through injury. I know he played through a shoulder injury but the insinuation that he could play on his knee & didn’t scares me. After Byrd and ward it’s a crap shoot at safety & I’d rather have a known commodity than Wolfe and a ? No matter who we plug in there besides Allen is literally a ? Change is not always great just for the sake of change

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      woh man such a detailed bet.. lol… what mid level guy bruh?

      • oreofestar

        Clemons

    • JofreyRice

      You gonna be happy with that, or are you going to make lemonade and try to have faith they know what they’re doing?

      • oreofestar

        It really depends how the market plays out

      • GEAGLE

        I fear that it’s not going to be a “happy” solution…please be wrong, please be wrong, please be wrong!

      • Adam

        Not happy that we won’t get a shot at Byrd and most likely Ward but my final level of dissatisfaction depends on a few factors: Who the mid level guy is, how far along Wolff is and how the draft plays out.

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  • cliff henny

    well, this sucks! why you have to draft top talent. still going to take a couple more drafts to get out from under the average to gawd-awful drafts of ’08-’11. hopefully wolff is 1 answer in house. coaches did a great job with him.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    get witner and jenkins… that would be a HUGE upgrade over last year. and isnt that the point??

    • oreofestar

      No and No

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        So you dont want anyone? lol dumbass

        • oreofestar

          I do not want those guys I think Jenkins will get over payed based on value and Whitner will end up just like Goldson being a free gent bust part of a system it has nothing to do with being a dumbass I just do not think these are the right players to target

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            they are an upgrade… clearly you just want earl wolff and nate allen and poat chung playing S.. lol

          • oreofestar

            Nah I just like Chris Clemons and Mike Mitchell and of course I would rather just hope for Byrd or Ward but that is not happening so we might draft one early

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            clemons and mitchell? No and No.

          • oreofestar

            I just think Clemons or Mitchell are better than Jenkins for equal or lesser price and Whitner is a product of system who is getting up there in age and will be expensive, I would not have a problem with Whitner if I thought he could produce like i sf and not go back to being the buffalo player

          • GEAGLE

            Clemons won’t even be considered. He is not good lol. He is like 29years old and has very little tread on his tires, while that normally can be a good thing, in this case it’s alarming. Miami has bigger safety problems then us. They don’t even have an Earl Wolff, they have as much money as we do, yet they are letting him walk?

            Jenkins has 64 starts under his belt and is younger, he used to be a cornerback so he will ATleast be better in coverage bthen half the safeties out there,..Miami let’s Clemons walk while having a ton of money..Saints would like to retain Jenkins, dude has a Super Bowl ring as a starter, but probably can’t afford him..Neither player is ideal, but I feel much better about why Jenkins is on the market! then I do Clemons..Clemons is also a Florida boy who I’m not even sure would sign with a cold weather city. Jenkins is a jersey boy…

            Not sure about Mitchell yet..tough to get a read on him. A lot like Nate Allen..sucked his entire life until this past year, Is playing well in a contract year enough to make us want him? He is more of a hitter, then a cover guy, which is why I think Jenkins will appeal more to our coaches

            Talking about these average safeties is depressing.

            Don’t know what to think about Whitner, because he isn’t young like Jenkins. Do we want to pay his price tag for someone almost 30? I wouldn’t mind, he is probably the most exciting option after Byrd Ward…I just don’t know what to think…we were interested in Goldson last year until we found out the price, but that was a different market where he was the only decent option, along with Quinn…if Whitner were 27yrs old, I think he would be a lock as someone we go after…but I’m not sure what we think of him and Mitchell…but I’m pretty convinced it won’t be Clemons,Delmas,major wright, Roman Harper..
            ..
            Bathea, Whitner and Mitchell I don’t know what to think of
            ..
            Jenkins is my best bet…

          • GEAGLE

            Jenkins and Cary would give us two Super Bowl winning DBs in our secondary…not ideal probowlers but good role players you can win with if you compliment them with the right impact players: playmaking safety and a nasty pass rush

          • cliff henny

            maybe ward will fall to 2nd.cbs has him 62 overall.

          • GEAGLE

            Think that kid is getting moved to CB…and I don’t want midget safeties as starters…if we had two starting safeties, I would love to add hybrid types like Joyner, but I view him as a luxury at this point and we have bigger fish to fry…sign Byrd and then I’ll be begging for Joyner to play Dime or 3 safety sets..but as long as we sign Jenkins types, I will want the safety we draft to take his spot, can’t be a 5’8′safety

          • cliff henny

            have to look at combine numbers, pretty sure they’ll take a freakish athlete w/ good character and coach him up. worked last year.

          • GEAGLE

            Hate this draft class for safety..right now, I guess I’d say one of the PAC boys, Buchanon or Baily..

            Who knows tho, maybe Howie is so sick of missing on safeties that he says screw it and goes with a 5’8 Joyner who you can ATleast count on him being a player..this is frustrating, it’s a problem that I can’t even see too many promising realistic solutions for…I know playing a rookie next to Wolff freighters me..

          • cliff henny

            what’s ed reynolds story?
            .
            i’m on about a 7 out of 10 on my freak-out meter on safety, only because i do believe it’s sort of a dependent position. what really changes is it takes me to a 15 on getting to qb.

          • GEAGLE

            A lot Iike Nate was coming out of college. 6’2 205lb cover FS…basically he had a monster 2012 season with like 6INTs came close on a handful of others, shut down Austin Seferian Jenkins and helped shut down Marquis Lee…he wasn’t bad this year, but only having 1INT was a disapointment after taking the PAC by storm in 2012…
            ..
            Think he could def appeal to us, but I’d prefer Buchanon…Can’t think how Reynolds played against Oregon! maybe a duck fan will let us know. BUt Buchanon was a thorn in chips side
            ..
            Good name tho, real possibility, that we don’t talk about enough

          • cliff henny

            thanks…i’ll put my bet of Bailey in 4th. wish Barrow was a little bigger, take him in 5th, but he doesnt have size of c jones and think eagles will need to use 3rd on him. still have to get foles weapons. hang 50 and it wont matter.
            .

          • RIP illa

            Did Reynolds have a serious injury?

          • GEAGLE

            Not that I know of…

          • JofreyRice

            Well…My freak out meter has been at 11 since about ’09. My only hope is JR Sweezy.

            Seattle had an absolutely awful Offensive Line this year, Sweezy was a DT at NC State. Drafted in 2012, he started every game for the Seahawks at G, following the switch, and was part of the offense that was just good enough to win it all. The OL was a problem for them, but not enough to prevent them from hoisting that silver football.

            We can all make out the faces on Mount Rushmore here; the Eagles have shit at Safety. They are JR Sweezy. We just have to hope the other side of the ball can do enough to overcome that deficiency. So maybe instead of Byrd, we should all be hoping for Mike Evans/Eric Ebron/Paul Richardson.

          • Token

            I think that last sentence is probably right. If the plan is to have Wolff paired with a bum like Allen or Jenkins then just go offense. BTW, why is Wolff assumed to be good? As if its for certain hes gonna lock down a safety spot. Hes a middle round safety with a lot of bummy college tape who may just have a bit of weirdo in him after this injury crap at the end of the year.

            So they may as well just go offense. Try to make it ridiculous. Then maybe next year or the year after we can get enough players on defense to compete. Then of course we dont know what the division landscape will be. Players may tire of Chips system or defenses may defend it much better etc….

            Ugh…. as a Eagle fan I feel we may have to say stuff like this forever. “Maybe in a couple years we can compete.” I think the opportunity is now and you dont know the next time it comes around. Too much can happen in 2 seasons.

            Its like this team is fully back in the hunt for the cap title. I hope the aggressiveness isnt completely gone just because a couple moves didnt work out.

            It seems like generally a teams rise to winning a title happens fairly quickly. In a 2-3 year span. You come up the ranks and get it done in that time or it just doesnt happen. I could be completely wrong, but it seems like thats the case. And theres factors that could go into that being the case. Scheme gets stale etc…

            I dont want the Eagles to be a solid team that drifts around 10 wins a year. I want them to do what it takes to win a title now.

          • Adam

            You’re unreal man. Are you this pessimistic in every aspect of your life? You must be depressing to be around.

          • Token

            Typical Eagles fan. All is well. Zero SBs.

            Personally, im still holding out hope Howie is just not showing his hand. If hes being honest, then we should all question it. Do you think this team can win a SB in the next 2 years just through the draft? It would mean Howie would have to suddenly be able to find multiple pro bowl caliber players this year and next. If im going by past history that seems very unlikely.

          • Andy124

            When did we go from needing a few years to build to, we only have a 2-year window of opportunity and we need to capitalize now before it’s too late?

          • Adam

            Haha. Typical Negalidelphia fan. 10-6 and a playoff game with a rookie NFL coach coming off a 4-12 season with a roster that is mostly inherited, but the world is burning.

            Pete Carroll took over a 4-12 team and made the playoffs in his 1st year. Regressed a bit the 2nd year but made the playoffs the next 2 seasons, won SB in one of them. It took him 4 years. So what the hell is this 2 year window you’ve all of a sudden set on the team?

          • Token

            Its just a thought. We know the division sucks right now. Cant say that in 2 years. We know Chips system is still fresh right now, cant say that in two years. Hell, the entire NFC isnt THAT strong right now. Theres Seattle clearly above the rest.

            Doesnt it seem like when a new coach comes in that team, if they are gonna win it, usually wins it within a 3 year period? Or right about that. Like I said, maybe im wrong. Just seems that way. If you dont win it by then generally you get stale. May drift around 10 or 11 wins each year but not get it done.

            I think Chips way of doing things could be prone to getting stale to a team over the long haul. Thats why I really want to strike while the iron is hot so to speak. While this program is fresh.

            I think this was a great first year. But you cant overlook the amount of help they got from the schedule and other teams injuries. This team has a bunch of work to do still. A lot of trash still to turnover.

            Plus you look at a OL that will need 3 positions overturned most likely within 2-3 years. In addition to all their other current needs.

            Basically, looking at the league and the division the time is now to go for it. Playing it safe and hording 20 million in cap space just doesnt add up to me. Are there many elite teams that you can say have 20 or more million in cap space each season?

          • Adam

            I have no data to support or disprove your theory about coaches winning in 3 years coming into the league. Their isn’t a rulebook or a road map for these kinds of things. But to me Chip is clearly a special coach and I think his innovative approach to the game will less likely lead to him getting stale.

            Teams are elite because they have historically drafted well thus don’t have much cap space because they’ve actually had to resign their own picks, not because they go out and spend everything they’ve got on high price free agents. We drafted garbage up until 2012 so it hasn’t been an issue for us. Are there many elite teams that go out and spend their cap money just because they have it?

            Can we wait till we actually start free agency before we decide that the team is actually going to sit on this cap space? We have absolutely no idea what is going to happen after March 11th and you’re making assumptions based on what we did last year.

            We needed to play through a season for the dust to settle on Chip’s offense and the 3-4 to see how the old pieces were or weren’t going to fit. Now we have a clearer picture, so I expect the team to be more aggressive this year but I also don’t expect a shopping spree. You need a develop a certain locker room dynamic and that’s done through the draft. You can add a piece here and there in FA but you can’t buy a championship.

          • Token

            Not about buying a championship. I agree there. But if theres clearly a huge upgrade to a great position of need you pay the guy. Especially at a position you have shown you have no idea how to draft.

            But as you said, lets wait and see what happens.

            I do want to see a bunch of turnover this offseason tho. They should have thrown out the trash last year and didnt. You can completely overturn a roster in a couple years if you are drafting well, finding UDFAs and coaching well.

            I just look at our drafts. And even when you consider them good drafts its role players. Howie has drafted very few true difference makers. That has to change starting now.

          • oreofestar

            Miami has Starks, Soliai, Clemons, Grimes, and an offensive line to rebuild despite Clemons being a solid 28 year old without much tread they just have too much to worry about to make him top priority, Being from PWAY myself I do not have anything against Jenkins but I think he will be overpayed, I agree with you on Mitchell but it is getting depressing talking about average – slightly above average safeties when I really just want BYRD OR WARD

          • GEAGLE

            Lol Miami prioritized keeping Rashad jones over Clemons, and he is terrible…if we wanted Clemons we would have ATleast offered him a deal last year, we didn’t ….he won’t interest us. His size is awesome, if he was worth a damn he would be in high demand

          • anon

            He probably wanted something more than $2m a year, which is all we were prepared to play. That’s crazy.

          • GEAGLE

            Huh? We gave Chung almost 4mil

          • anon

            Hah, I was just tossing out a number. Chung basically gets $3/yr. still very low (but i guess you get what you pay for).

          • Token

            Jenkins blows man. I know we have to try and talk ourselves into liking bums like this because its probably more realistic. But he sucks. Just keep Nate friggin Allen if this is what its come to.

          • GEAGLE

            You won’t read a post that says I’m looking forward to us signing Jenkins…it’s just what I expect to happen…

          • anon

            Bust remains to be seen – think Lovie will have something to say about that.

          • oreofestar

            I guess so…maybe that is unfair but at least concerning plus Dashon is younger that Whitner

  • Tom w

    Uhhh shit colt ran a 4.47 first time down Jesus Christ unofficial.

    • oreofestar

      his official is 4.61

      • anon

        still 3rd best.

  • oreofestar

    I am with Geagle this is very very depressing to think about, we are thinking about what average-decent safety to get whether it be Jenkins, Mitchell, Clemons or whoever it is sad I just want Ward or Byrd, OLB is not as pressing because I think Cole can hold up for another year but if a guy like Johnson or Orakpo is there for the taking you gotta consider it, and WR is possibly what our first round pick will be used on like it or not since chances are Maclin is resigned and Cooper is not

    • cliff henny

      just dont think about it. our hopes are Wolff continues to grow, he’s already at worst a lateral move from Allen. see who they get in draft. this bothers me most cause it takes joyner out out picture, cause i’m sure a vet will be signed to short contract with hopes of draft pick, whethers it’s prior haha buchanon bailey reynolds ward or loston, pushing for time asap.

      • anon

        Yeah making it clear what our top picks are going to be. But BPA though right?

        • cliff henny

          sure, let’s just hope bpa is evans or barr. but there’s plenty of scenerios i can live with. i wanted Byrd or Ward desperately, but still see plenty of avenues for them to be much better.

      • JofreyRice

        At this rate, Wolff will be an all pro by training camp.

  • Weapon Y

    Yet another reason why I hate the franchise tag. I know it goes both ways (ie What if Shady theoretically wanted to leave Philly?), but I hate the idea of a guy being legally forced to work somewhere he doesn’t want to work. How would you feel if you were finally close to getting a new job with a firm you liked only to be legally forced to stay at your current job which you hate?

    • anon

      Tag number is good money if you aren’t the no 1 fa.

  • Token

    Depressing the think about.

    Guess I should prepare to have some 5th round safety sold to me as the answer. Or maybe even some bum like Clemons or Jenkins. Ugh.

    • GEAGLE

      Not looking good

  • Maggie

    The same people keep saying the same names over and over again as possible safeties for the Eagles. Keep insisting that the team simply MUST sign one of them. Tell me, who ever heard of Bradley Fletcher a year ago? Yet now he is considered a fairly decent corner who needs backup, not replacement. Is it not possible that the Eagles have their eyes on players whose names are NEVER mentioned here? Is it not possible that the FO knows more than us? There are several websites that give the names of all the free agents, why not check it out? Every FO in the NFL does.

    • johnr

      Hey don’t discourage them. I get a nickel everytime Byrd is mentioned. Lol.

    • anon

      Mister pass interference can def be upgraded

    • GEAGLE

      …..

      • Maggie

        And you definitely are the master of daily blowhard worthless crap.

  • Khalid Washington

    Stop gap? What gap are u stopping? The carousel/black hole of Safeties that don’t work? I’m so frustrated with this concept. Hey Roseman look at the last 3 Super Bowl winners:

    Seahawks: Earl Thomas
    Ravens: Ed Reed
    Giants: Antrelle Rolle

  • daggolden

    I keep telling you move the ball-hawking Bokins to FS.

  • GEAGLE

    Hype for the show these WRs put on this morning…

  • GEAGLE

    Miami says,signing Clemons isn’t a priority because they want to upgrade the safety position lol..

    If the Eagles sign a 29yr old safety it would be Whitner, not a bum Iike Clemons…

  • GEAGLE

    Devante Adams, 6’2 215 just ran a 4.50, this kid could be a real eagles target in round two
    ..
    OBJ 5’11 200lb….just ran a 4.4 flat..great number for him, best hands in the draft, top KR, real possibility for the Eagles
    ..
    KB 6’5 240lbs.. Just ran a 4.59..dude was covering 2yards per each stride smh..freak
    ..
    Media mikes boy “philly” brown just ran a 4.37 yikes…dudes from Ohara(ohio state)

  • Andy124

    Benjamin had some kind of hitch on his first step. I’ll bet his next run is a bit better. I like Coleman’s 4.5 though.

    EDIT: And I love Evans’ 4.5.

    • Token

      Im not really at all interested in Benjamin. Just dont like what ive seen of him.

      But Evans seem like exactly what im looking for across from Jackson. 4.5 is a good time for him. And it kinda seemed like he could have gone under 4.5. Curious to see his next run.

      • Tom w

        What the Florida vs Florida st when he beats two corners going to get drafted in top 4 Rds for 8 for 230 and 3 tds

        • Token

          Hate his hands. Dont want my 1st round WR having to work on his hands. Personal preference. I want a guy whose job it is to catch the ball to be more of a natural catcher.

    • GEAGLE

      I try not to think about Evans because I don’t see him lasting til 22 and I’m trying to minimize the heartache and disapointment this year

      • Andy124

        Agreed. But Coleman could be had later. And KB did just get down to 4.53. He’s plenty fast enough for my tastes, though I’m still hoping BPA nets us our edge rusher in the first.

        • GEAGLE

          Did you see what martevis Bryant just did? Holy shit

          Dude, I’ll take, Evans, KB, Coleman, Bryant,,,any of them

          • Andy124

            Beat me to it. Another size-speed guy. Lots of options this year.

          • GEAGLE

            4.3 at that size…someone help me pick my jaw up off the floor

          • Andy124

            This has got to be a record for 4.3′s happening right now.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I’d hate to be a free agent WR.

          • cliff henny

            sounds like Cooper is losing big money today.

          • GEAGLE

            Hope so lol…can’t wait to see who the dysfunctional franchise is that pays 10mil for a number 2 like Decker

    • Token

      Expected Benjamin to at least get below 4.5. Yikes.

    • cliff henny

      we needed him to run 4.6…never get to #22

      • anon

        Never happening — he looks really good in drills.

    • Richard Colton

      So did 31 other teams. Crap, I was starting to think we had a shot at him.

  • GEAGLE

    Jesus Martevius Bryant at 6’4 ran a 4.34 and a 4.35…holy crap he just shit on KB

    • cliff henny

      what did Moncrief run?

      • GEAGLE

        Haven’t seen him yet, but Brandin Cooks and Evan put on a show

        • cliff henny

          coleman or huff? might have to re-visit the 2 WR draft. move back in first, get another 3rd. maybe hold tight with current TEs, or hope lyerla gets to UDFA. to win, need to be elite at one side of the ball, and solid on the other. so, spend resources on offense.

          • GEAGLE

            Much rather have Coleman..at the very least you should be able to develop him as a RZ target…I feel like we wouldn’t talk about huff if he wasn’t from Oregon..I’d take him in the 5th if we didn’t get a WR, but I expect better options in rounds 3 and 4…Huff reminds me of a poor mans landry

          • RIP illa

            Huff’s also has some physicality to him along w/ being faster. He also showed pretty well in the RZ at senior bowl practices. Of course I don’t think he should be making a living doing so.

  • anon

    Martavius Bryant. 6’4 running 4’3″. If he can catch at all….

    • cliff henny

      watched a ton of Clemson games, it doesnt translate to the field. there’s games that you dont even know he’s on the team.

      • anon

        Too bad — thought he looked ok in the drills. But really all academic unless there’s production.

      • RIP illa

        That’s fine. As long as he can play the position and be coached. Means some serious value outside the 1st rd. he’s slated for the second on some sites but I hope he’s really a mid 3 or 4th.

        • cliff henny

          Bryant was why i blasted Boyd since Sept. there another kid Page, that’s better than Bryant. people dont realize the crazy athletes sweeney is getting in clemson nowadays.

          • anon

            Not to mention Sammy W.

          • cliff henny

            sure, but he was known. lot of people saw the numbers boyd was putting up, thinking he was playing with SW and clemson weapons of 10 yrs ago…and that isnt the case. there’s 2 other freshmen that didnt even see field that are 6’3 and run sub 4.4′s. clemson has SEC level skill players. sweeney is a recruiting machine.

      • Tikkit

        Same dang thing with Darius Heyward-Bey. Watched him at MD and he straight disappeared. If you disappear in college, you’re not going to suddenly “appear” in the NFL.

    • JofreyRice

      I’ll take Allen Robinson and his 4.6 40 all day.

      • Adam

        Robinson in the 2nd.. I’d be very happy

  • anon

    Lots of 4.3 guys

    • Andy124

      My thoughts exactly.

  • anon

    Beckham can catch.

    • RIP illa

      Kid is on fire today. I completely understand the size facto for the other guys, but pound for pound I think Odell is the best. Did u happen to catch what Irvin said about catching (in general) for WRs?

    • JofreyRice

      He looks like he’s in a different class in context with the rest of these guys. I’d be very happy to have him at #22.

      Not too impressed with Benjamomah. This isn’t a great showcase for him–that should be the games. The problem is, he had issues in the games, too.

    • Richard Colton

      and return kicks

  • Eagles4Life

    F**K.

  • GEAGLE

    Props to Bortles for not being a bitch and actually not being afraid to throw today…if The texans take a QB it would be Bortles, just see what the kid did going into happy valley and getting the win…Bill Obrien had a front row view, and the kid was BIGTIME in the second half…

    • anon

      I don’t mind guys not throwing. The first impression is the only impression as a QB, so i’d rather throw to my guys especially if one of my guys is mike evans.

      • GEAGLE

        Personally. I wouldn’t want to draft a QB who refuses to throw at the combine…rather draft a kid who is confident enough to throw anytime someone asks..it’s what QBs do, you should be happy to show off your arm any chance you get…Just the way I look at..you can still have your scripted pro day..but I want a QB who never refuses to show his arm

        • anon

          I understand the argument.

  • anon

    James Jones not getting a contract in GB — may not be a bad option if he’s around after the draft. 14td catches – career yards last year – AR loves him.

    • GEAGLE

      If we can’t reach a deal with Coop before FA, Jones is a guy I could see assuming he will sign a two or three year deal. Tough, physical WR, blocks, could make up for losing Coop in the redzone…stop gap potential

      • Tom W

        I like him but He duplicates what we already have though at just 6 1 more like maclin than cooper … rather just draft a tall wr like benjamin, adams, robinson, moncrief, or bryant ….. jones is tough though … I wouldn’t be unhappy if we signed him but dont think thats the way we go if coop flys ………………………..and I think all this talk about maclin over coop is based on that clown from the daily news … he doesn’t have sources …why are we listening to him …. i still think coop knows what is good for him and takes a team friendly deal w the eagles

        • anon

          The Mac over Coop is obviously a ploy by Eagles to get Coops number down.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol yeah I don’t buy that bullshit Mac over coop crap either..

          I want us to draft WRs, but I want us to have enough weapons who are ready to play in September, it’s a crucial year for our young QB…I don’t think any rookie should be counted on to replace coop..need 3 veteran WR that can play right away, so we don’t have to rush rookies before they are ready

          • anon

            Coop is not special. Kelly’s TC brings guys along really fast, and gets guys open. Guys with more talent than Cooper will thrive.

      • RIP illa

        No to Jones. I see him as more Avant like than anything else. Meaning he’s not gonna be a threat but will be solid. And I do remember the year he had when her impersonated Cris Carter, and all he did was catch TDs. Coop became a deep threat and big play guy this season. If we lose him, then I’d rather replace him w/ a FA who has the same potential, along w/ drafting a guy.

    • Token

      Nah. Too deep at WR in the draft to pay a outside FA IMO. Especially one thats nothing special like Jones. Has had drop problems if I recall.

  • cliff henny

    reading thru these 40′s, and watching this group of WRs all season, Cooper must be losing money hand over fist today. wonder what’s going thru Kelly’s mind, he made a 4th overall offense with 1/2 season of ertz, Cooper and Avant. i want olb and safety addressed, but could just pinball scoreboard teams.

    • anon

      That’s true for all of the FA WRs, but yeah — not good for them.

  • anon

    Jeff Janis (who) 6’2, 218 — 4.3 (unofficial). Gotta see if he has any hands at all.

    • RIP illa

      Big production at a small school. Think he caught something like 80 rec in a year. Normally those type of guys are known for having good hands. It’s the transition to the speed, physicality, competition, and coaching demands (routes, blocking, technique) that keep them down in the league.

  • GEAGLE

    Huff ran 4.45
    ..
    Landry ran a 4.65 that’s going to kill his stock..hopefully he falls to us in the 4th, because he plays much faster then that
    ..
    Lee ran 4.5 flat
    ..
    Moncrief and Watkins are coming up

    • cliff henny

      damn, Landry just became 4-5th round talent. want no part of Lee. this draft, cant run 4.5 and go in rd 1 or 2 unless you’re 6’5

      • GEAGLE

        Totally agree, but I wouldn’t mind taking a falling Landry..he probably has a better showing at his pro day…kid better run faster on his second attempt

        • GEAGLE

          A-Rob ran a 4.6 at 6’3 220
          ..
          Jalen Saunders tiny 165lb tough lil bastard ran 4.42

        • cliff henny

          Matthews run yet? sounds like couple of these times will push guys back. kiper is nuts thinking 9 WRs go in 1st rd.

          • GEAGLE

            Not yet, waiting on him and Moncrief, but they are coming up…Sammy ran 4.34

          • anon

            Yeah sammy’s going no. 1. I don’t think we take a WR in the first — too much depth, i think we’re going to take a S or OLB.

          • cliff henny

            what’s crazy is he isnt as fast as he was 3 yrs ago. never know what to think of SW. it’s obvious he has talent, but he has a little Maclin in him where’s he’s allergic to contact.

          • GEAGLE

            I didn’t think he would be almost as fast as tiny Brandin cooks…he just solidified himself as a top 10 pick..did not expect that type of speed..Landry hurt his calf and won’t run his second attempt. Hello rounds 4 and 5 lol
            ..
            Curious to see who will be the third WR drafted after Sammy and Evans…Lee didn’t impress. OBJ and Cooks solidified themselves in 20-40 range
            ..
            Jordan Mathews 4.44 helped his stock a lot…fringe round 1, possibly as high as 3rd WR drafting leaping ahead of lee

          • anon

            Who is going to catch him running a 4.34?

          • cliff henny

            it’s very weird, watch his games, he doesnt show 4.3 speed on field. there’s time where he seems very disinterested. you’d think in a game versus a NC state like team he should be running in around thru secondary, and often it just doesnt show. then, sweeney will call a game where SW gets every other throw, basically a showcase game, with 6-8 LOS wrs screnes, and Sammy goes off. he doesnt seem to have those 6 catches 90-100 yard consistant games. i know the guy is off the charts athletic, watched probably 90% of his games live, he’s really hard to get a read on.

          • GEAGLE

            4.37 on his second attempt. Honeybadger tweeted that he thought Sammy was about to run a 4.2

          • RIP illa

            See, I heard that knock on him during a week leading up to a game later on in the season (don’t remember which game). Then when he got on the field and they hit him w/ some bubble screens or short comebacks, he got his shoulders squared quickly and put his head down and trucked DBs. I don’t see him being anything like Mac in terms of being allergic to contact. See it more of him trying to bust plays wide open.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, he can at times. maybe it’s because he knows he’s so much more athletic than everyone else he becomes disinterested. i dont know. i’ve watch at least 25 games of his live, when he’s on, it’s a crazy show. but often he’s not, and it makes no sense. i can tell you for a fact, he get knicked easily, and avoids contact, but again, kid is top5 pick, would you take on safeties. sweeney can call some stupid gameplans too, that might be part of it. when hopkins and him were on field together last year, nuke was hands down the better player, and it wasnt even close. sammy had him freshman yr, got popped for weed, came back and nuke flew by him.

          • RIP illa

            I hear ya. The disinterested point is a good one. Not good for him, if it’s true, cuz no team should want a guy on their squad that shows that on tape. However, if true, he’s still the best WR out here. Just weird.

          • anon

            Also you dont need to run through every tackle — especially not if you want to make it 10+ years.

          • anon

            He ran a 4.4 (twice)

          • GEAGLE

            Twice…might have leaped ahead of Lee, the production is there, people didn’t expect him to be this fast.

          • cliff henny

            wow, that just put him 1st round.

        • RIP illa

          Gotta wait till landry’s pro day now to see if the calf didn’t mess him up on his 1st attempt. But generally I can’t stand small or average size WRs that are slow. Want no part of them if the cant run better than a 4.45. Too many other WRs that can run better while catching just as well as they can. OBJ for president!!!

          • GEAGLE

            Only one of the past like zillion WR who ran a 4.45 or better had a 1000 yard season….Mike Wallace. Just saying. Crazy stat that surprised me

          • RIP illa

            Yeah that surprised me too, but it was related to those who ran sub 4.4. So I’m sure if we went sub 4.5, it wouldn’t be as bad, if bad at all. And that’s what I want out of the smaller guys…4.45 or better.

            I didn’t quite hear the full context of that stat. How many years did they go back? Cuz the whole time I was thinking, Um, DJax!!!

            And I take back what I said about the calf issue…sorta. Watched the replay of his run, and everything looked normal. I’m gonna give him the beefing of the doubt, but I couldn’t help but thinking that he saw his horrid 40 time of 4.65 and just decided to quit until his pro day. Talking bout Landry here.

          • anon

            I agree with that last para. That’s what i would have done too — those 2 tenth can cost him a couple mil dollars in the rookie deal.

          • GEAGLE

            We can forget about obj in round two…Jordan Mathews,OBJ,Cooks all solidified themselves in the 20-40 range….guy like Lee!Devante!Allen Rob could fall to us in round two

          • cliff henny

            pretty sure kelly can make those guys work. healthy Maclin and adams in 2nd with DAT and Moncrief in 5th. still have 1st, 3rd and 4th to address other needs. draft is either going to be great day, or howie is going to go whole direct direction and we’re going to be going nuts.

          • RIP illa

            I still can’t see Matthews cracking the first. I’m a fan of his, but there’s already like 7-8 legit 1st rd WRs. Could Kiper be…gulp…right???

          • GEAGLE

            The only rd one WR I saw today were Sammy, Evans, obj, cooks, Jordan and KB..possibly Lee. Devante an Robinson IMO fell out of round 1 today

          • RIP illa

            Yeah that sound about right. So 6-7 legit 1st rd talents, w/ Matthews being fringe. Kipers not too far off…as of now.

      • GEAGLE

        Landry hurt his calf and won’t run a second time…yikes,

        • cliff henny

          GREAT! 5th round he we come!!! i knew he wasnt a burner. he’s avant but 10 yrs younger. tough, polished, can play inside and out. crappy day to hurt himself, probably cost him some rounds, but seen enough of him live to still like him alot.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup yup…his loss could be our mid round gain…huff is faster, but I think Landry is a much better player

  • GEAGLE

    Anyone catch Moncrief and Coleman’s numbers?

  • GEAGLE

    Lyerla Verticle put all the top TEs to shame

    • cliff henny

      he had crappy bench numbers, rest were pretty good, right?

    • anon

      Yeah i’m thinking 3rd rd? Fast, big and can jump?

      • Richard Colton

        whoa…weren’t we saying day three for this guy? 5th-7th?

        • anon

          yeah but his numbers are stupid (i don’t think we take him in the 3rd, i think he might go in the 3rd / 4th).

          • RIP illa

            Getting suspended, getting busted for coke, and getting kicked outta school are stupid too!!! I don’t think there’s any chance he goes that high. We were talking about using maybe a 5th on him, just to make sure we get him locked up instead of chancing it as a UDFA. Patterson went undrafted last year, and Colt should and most likely will go undrafted this year.

          • anon

            They had stat that every TE that’s run 4.6 or under has been drafted. Colt ran 4.61 (officially), i think his chances are pretty good. Given he can run faster, jump higher and catch as well or better than most of the other prospects I think he makes it — unless he interviews REALLY poorly.

          • anon

            But maybe he can be our honey badger.

  • anon

    Lee just hurt himself diving for balls — gotta play smart.

  • anon

    I think i’d go for Jordan Matthews in the second.

  • Adam

    What’s everyones realistic wish list for 22?

    For me it’s Calvin Pryor, Dee Ford, Kelvin Benjamin, Beckham Jr,

    • oreofestar

      Same here with Kony Ealy too not Beckham because we already have small receivers and chances are Maclin is coming back and not Cooper

    • Tom w

      Trade down unless Barr falls. Really think browns texans rams raiders Tampa could all be interested in getting to 22 to get Carr or McCarron and giving us a 3d and 6th or maybe more bc the draft is so deep

      • RIP illa

        See that’s not good enough value for me to trade out of the 1st. I can’t see us trading out of having a 1st w/o getting another second and maybe a 4th.

        • oreofestar

          yeah if a teams want us to trade down the second they better be offering a 2 to move up or forget it

    • Token

      Id trade down if thats whats left. Thats not a very interesting group. Unless they really like Ford at OLB. But usually a guy or two falls that you dont expect to.

      • RIP illa

        How do you not take Pryor w/ that pick? I want more picks also, but it would pretty hard for me to ignore that area of need for that player as of now. Now if he puts up an awful 40 time, then I could see trading down a little more clearly. But it would have to be God awful.

        • oreofestar

          I want more picks but we should not trade down and I would not mind drafting Benjamin, Evans, Pryor, Dix or Gilbert at 22

          • RIP illa

            I’m not liking Benjamin and we can only dream that Evans will be there. He just shut the door on anyone questioning whether he was the number 2 WR in this draft.

          • oreofestar

            If Evans was still there at 15 I think that is trade up range, I would take Benjamin if the other players I said were gone

          • RIP illa

            If Sammy goes, too what, 5-10…how does Evans make it to 16? I’m asking cuz I haven’t looked at the draft positions again.

          • Adam

            If Watkins makes it to Detriot at 10 they’ll probably take him.If he goes before that then Detroit will take Evans. We’d probably have to trade to 15 though, because Cowboys are 16 and we won’t trade with them, and the Ravens at 17 like Evans as well.

          • oreofestar

            Detroit may not go WR firstround with that awful secondary unless Watkins is there which he will not be because if he is the in picks 7-9 a team will trade up. So really t is just if the Rams went OL with the first pick do they go wr or s and if they went wr then evans could fall to 15

          • RIP illa

            I just find it hard to believe that Evans will be at the back end of top 10. I could see the Rams, Bucs, Raiders, and wildcard to the Bills al drafting him as well as Detroit.

          • oreofestar

            I doubt it because Watkins, at least 2 tackles, at least 2 QBs, and at least 3 pass rushers will go before Evans, at Least.

        • Token

          I dont view him as a high end safety. Not the single high saftey we need. Hitter but dont like his form. Would rather throw a shoulder than wrap up. Doesnt fit well with Wolff. Only a first rounder because teams need S. Weak safety draft.

          • RIP illa

            Those are pretty good reasons. And the reasons why I’m holding off my definitive judgments on Safeties. Yeah the class is pretty weak. We gotta fill the void somehow and some way at that spot..It’s killing me!!!

    • Richard Colton

      Happy to trade up/down if the value is there. What I think you’re asking for is a realistic player target at 22 – one that would leave me feeling better after the first night.

      Dee Ford
      Beckham (only if we can call him ODB)
      Pryor
      Gilbert (if the Eagles have him as their top CB)
      Martin
      Kony (if he demonstrates speed & fluidity for OLB this week)

      • oreofestar

        I agree plus Pryor and Benjamin

        • Richard Colton

          you like Pryor twice as much as I do

          • oreofestar

            That is probably true I love this kid

      • RIP illa

        I always have to correct myself when writing his initials to keep from putting ODB.

        • Andy124

          I hear he prefers not to have his steak cooked. At all.

          • Richard Colton

            he likes it raw Andy. Who are we to judge?

          • Tikkit

            As long as he gets his money.

        • Richard Colton

          Tell me you can’t hear Merril Reese saying “Giants set to kick off…ODB at the 2, set to return…”

          • Andy124

            Right before he serenades us with another rendition of ‘Diamonds on My Neck.’

          • RIP illa

            Music to my ears!!! And think of the community work he could do for the youth in Philly…cuz we all know he’s for the children.

      • Adam

        Pryor would be huge. He might struggle a bit initially but once the game slows down for him he will be a punisher. I think realistically we have a good shot at him..

        Ford I would love just not sure if his measurables will work with Chip.

        Beckham could be #2 and primary returner from day 1.

        I’m not a huge fan of CB or OL first round. Wouldn’t buck it much but I’d rather go elsewhere.

        Kony I’m just not sure he makes it to us.

        • Adam

          And if Even makes it past 16 I’m pounding the table to trade up.

          • oreofestar

            If he is there when the Steelers are picking we jump!!!

        • Richard Colton

          Ford’s 6’2″. Let’s say it’s a legitimate 6’2″ and nobody gave him the Johnny Football 2 inches. He’s probably within their OLB threshold.

          With Martin & Gilbert – they would be 100% value picks at a position of need. Doubt either would fall to the Eagles. That said, we all know their board has more than justtt WR/S/OLB on it. I should have included Nix too. You see his presser? He’d be the next Jerome Brown here.

          • RIP illa

            God I miss JB. 2nd favorite player, growing up. We’ve been missing a dominant force, against the run and pass, since he was lost.

          • Richard Colton

            that was they day the music died in Philly.

          • Adam

            Great presser. I think he’ll go around 10-15

          • oreofestar

            I think he goes Steelers or maybe the Cowgirls somewhere in that range

          • Adam

            Bears too

          • oreofestar

            true dat, I think they go Ealy though

          • Adam

            Jernigan is the popular guy to the Bears right now

          • oreofestar

            we will see but I am salivated over an offense with Evans, Jackson, Maclin, Mccoy, Ertz and Celek

          • RIP illa

            So is Donald

          • oreofestar

            I have heard his name with the Cowgirls a lot

          • JofreyRice

            Ford’s legit 6’2. He was measured at the senior bowl. Shortish arms, though.

            I was shocked that Barr is legit 6’5. He’s going to be a very good passrusher, with some coaching and experience.

          • Richard Colton

            We traded up for McDougle…for Mamula…for Maclin…Why not Barr?
            Or actually Mack makes more sense now that I’m looking at my list.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I thought he would measure at 6’3…good chance he falls, then again he is going to jump out of the arena tomorrow so I’m sure his stock is going to soar again…hoping we get lucky and it’s a simple case of deep draft, similar talents at other positions, and a lot of 4-3 Teams don’t want to do what Miami did taking a 3-4 OLB in Dion…but Barrs legit 6’5 frame could put him in the convo at 4-3DE, but I still think it would be a waste of all that damn athleticism to stick such an explosive agile athlete in a three point stance..

        • RIP illa

          Perfect write up. OL and CB could be had later. No CBs have blown me away yet, but I’m still trying to reserve judgment and all my break down studies until after the combine. Beckham would give us everything we didn’t have and wanted in Mac. Ford is a terror off the edge, but he’s a little light so he falls a little farther down for me. I think Chip would make the exception if Ford was the last man standing at 22. Ealy will most likely be gone. I’m shedding tears as I write that.

          • oreofestar

            OL no way in the first, CB if Gilbert falls if not forget that too, the thing with Beckham is that if recent reports are to be believed the Eagles are keeping Maclin and not Cooper so if we get Beckham that means are 3 top wrs are 6 feet and under, Dee Ford I am not a huge fan of but what do I know and Ealy is gone probably to the Bears or Cowboys but you never know he could run a 7.95 or something :P

          • RIP illa

            See I’m not worried about the height of our WRs only cuz if we were to re-sign Mac, that means nothing to me. It doesn’t mean that he would be all the way back to form or better, plus I thought we should have tried to trade him last offseason. So to replace him w/ ODB would be perfect for me. But the biggest factor is that there are plenty of tall WRs who have great catch radius, good hands and speed.

          • Richard Colton

            No way? You’re taking an entire position group off the board just like that?

          • oreofestar

            Well if there is one guy left that is just so much higher than everyone left on the board sure but that is unlikely maybe not no way but very very unlikely to happen earlier than the 3rd

      • NickS1

        Would love to nab Beckham just so when it’s contract time Howie can sing: “Hey, Delly, baby I got your money”

    • RIP illa

      Haven’t sorted my order out yet for who I think might be around, but if those players are still around at 22 I’m def going w/ Pryor or Beckham as my 1st choices. I would have to think about Ford, and really hype myself up to select Benjamin, cuz besides his size, I don’t see a whole lot there.

      • GEAGLE

        Think ODB will be there but not Pryor…I don’t want Dee, I would honestly rather have Marcus Smith or KVN…don’t want no undersized OLB..gotta be ATleast 6’5

    • JofreyRice

      I’m not so big on Benjamin; looks sluggish sometimes, and what good is being able to body guys up if you can’t catch? I’d much rather have Robinson, Moncrief or Matthews a little later. If they pick a Wideout at 22, I’m hoping for ODB or Evans. Yeah, ODB’s little-ish, but he plays big and can help the team in so many ways.

      For as much as I bash Alabama DBs, I actually like Haha better than Pryor. Pryor at #22 feels like a little bit of a need reach, but I know he’s pretty highly regarded in mock drafts and stuff. Jon Cyprien graded out miserably as a rookie for the Jags, but as prospects, I think Cyprien did more, in terms of being a complete defender. I think Pryor would be like the #5 S in last year’s crop.

      Ford, Barr are guys that really jump out at me as being first round passrushers that may actually be within the Eagles reach.

      With how deep this draft is, I wouldn’t be totally against trading back and picking up a pick or two. Would love to see what Chip could do with Dri Archer’s 4.26 40 time–ditto on D’AT, who might have ensured he’s not selected before the 5th with a meh 40 time.

      • Token

        Pryor is getting over rated by fans because he had big hits. Thats flashy.

        Evans will likely be out of reach for sure now. Kid seems like he could contribute right away. Itd be nice if Barr fell.

        Do you think Ford is a legit rusher? Does he have many moves? Is he physical, strong?

        Ebron seemed to run well for his size.

        • GEAGLE

          Haha is the over rated one,..no way I would ever take him with Pryor still on the board,..Pryor been compared to a big Bob Sanders…haha reminds of the safety everyone talks shit about, Malcom Jenkins lol

    • GEAGLE

      Every team picking before us needs safety, don’t see how the best safety last til 22…Dee ford lol talking a lot of shit about Clowney. Basically SAYNG he has no teqnique “plays like a blind dog in a meat market” hahahahahah

      • cliff henny

        moncrief ran 4.35. man, i love tat guy in the 5th.

        • GEAGLE

          I’d be worried about him not making it out of the 3rd. 6’3 220lb at 4.35 is no joke. When tiny dudes like Lee are running 4.5

          Jarvis Landry been compared to Hines Ward lately, but he really hurt his stock..better chance of getting him in the 5th then man child moncrief

          • anon

            He’s just gotta run fast at his pro day. But he was slow…

          • cliff henny

            big knick on Moncrief is he’s a body catcher. just a rope to him and avant, and schedule 3 hrs a day on juggs machines.
            .
            Landry was never fast. i started following him because i saw ODJ was late 1st early 2nd, and Landry was a 3rd. as his production caused him to climb. think he might just be coming back to where they intially thought he was.

  • NickS1

    DAT with a 4.34. Weird that the kid scrapes his foot when starting, too.

    • Tom w

      We need more picks…. Even another 4th if worried dat or colt won’t fall into fifth

      • NickS1

        Completely agree

      • NickS1

        This Dri Archer kid flies

      • Token

        Colt is more likely to not get drafted then to go in the 4th or 5th round. Huge question marks.

        • Tom w

          Good but one coke bust doesn’t kill a kid to get drafted. I wouldn’t chance it And take him w our second fifth. Athletic talent and upside is there

          • GEAGLE

            We need to frame him for another coke possession

    • Token

      4.50 official time. Surprising.

      • NickS1

        Just saw that. That’s a huge difference. Maybe the NFL network shouldn’t post Casserly’s times as the combine is going on.

  • Stuart Philp

    Dri Archer shooting way up here. 4.26 40 and looking agile in the cones.

    • Token

      A few interesting little toy players this year. Thats blazing fast. Cant say ive watched the kid tho. Does it translate to the field in games?

      • Stuart Philp

        His tape from Kent State looks good. Makes guys miss, catches passes, and obviously has great speed.

    • RIP illa

      Yup. I think he and McKinnon just made some serious money today, and not just based off 40 times.

  • Stuart Philp

    Liking DAT, Mckinnon, Archer, and Sankey. Sims looks okay. Mason lacking explosiveness.

  • oreofestar
    • cliff henny

      way howie’s talking, sounds like we needed both to hit free agency, and go after the one in a lesser bidding war, or hope it divides bidders, keeps price down. if only one guy guy gets on open market, cant see eagles being players.

      • oreofestar

        true but as long as some assclown team does not drive him up like crazy I assume Howie might be willing to open up his wallet

        • OldDocRoss

          They’ll just use the tag on Ward if they can’t get him signed long term. If they use it on Mack they’d be spending crazy money for a C.

          • oreofestar

            CANT A MAN DREAM!!!

        • anon

          Top of market always gets overpaid. Plenty of teams with lots of cap space.

          • oreofestar

            Well if that was the thought then we would not have gotten Byrd anyway

          • GEAGLE

            Not sure you can overpay for Ward or Byrd..when you been dealing with years of macho Harris, marlin Jackson! Kurt Coleman, jaqwain Jarrett!Chung,Nate Allen….Byrd and Ward might be worth every last penny, how do you overpay for the best safety in the game? What’s the going rate for greatness?

  • RIP illa

    What the hell is up w/ our interviews at the combine??? According to Walterfootball, we only interviewed 4 players. Benjamin, Hubbard, Dontae Johnson, and I think Corey Brown. We had to meet w/ more prospects…right? These guys are so Meh, w/ the exception of Benjamin who is pure upside and height.

  • RIP illa

    So Did Pryor really weigh-in at 5’11 207??? Whaaaaat!!! Wonder if that makes him slide to the 2nd. Oh yeah, 31in arms!!! SMH

    • GEAGLE

      Huh? I didn’t see his weigh in, are you serious?

      Hoping the top safety or two fall to 22 is probably wishful thinking, because just about ever team from 11-21 needs a damn safety.
      ..
      Thinking there is a better chance Barr falls to us(because no one needs OLB really) then the top safety falling to us….either works for me..but I’d rather trade out of round 1 completely…iF I can’t get Barr or Pryor I’m taking WR, but if we do take a WR they better find a way to get Marcus smith,Attachuo or KVN, and Deone,Dion or Ed R

      Wouldn’t mind
      OL Dirty Beckham bringing the Brooklyn zoo to philly!
      Marcus Smith
      Moncreif
      Dion Baily
      T Mitch (hope he runs slow)
      Lyerla

      • RIP illa

        T. Mitch needs to run fast, cuz he’s already considered to be lacking in the speed department. I know you want him to stay under the radar but if kid only confirms his athletic concerns and questions…that’s not good for him or us. Think Poyer.

        And yeah man that could drop him (Pryor). It was the 2nd report I saw of this. A lot of his ranking was due to him being 6’2 and a big thumper. The questions are about his coverage skills and more importantly, his range and speed. He’s a full 3 inches shorter than advertised. That’s Ward height. And Ward is already a better cover safety and better tackler. Plus Dix is as advertised, so I def see him claiming his #1 spot.

        • GEAGLE

          Screw him..don’t care if he falls to round 7. We don’t want him to run fast, because Chip knows him well. He will know if his scores reflect a bad day or really who he is…if he has a bad combine and you see the eagles draft him in round 4 you can’t complain…but if he starts falling to like round 6 and we don’t draft him, then it means Chip doesn’t believe in him, in which case he probably won’t be very successful anyway

      • RIP illa

        What do you see in Smith? I gotta I back and watch his break downs, but I’ve not been reading glowing reviews and scouting reports on him. So I’m not sure about his 2nd round grade.

        • GEAGLE

          See a kid who is only scratching his potential. dude didn’t play a lick of defense in high school. Clearly he took the first few years adjusting, was decent last year and this year just exploded as he got comfortable. He had a monster year. He has the size we like in our OLBs, long arms, should become a heckuva pass rusher while also having the ability to move backwards covering, and play in space. Think if he could play next year in college, he would be a top 20 pick.
          ..
          Think the world of him. Ford is a more polished but in a good situation I could see Marcus having the better career..hoping guys like him, KVN and Attachuo don’t go crazy tomorrow and we can have them as round 2 options, round 3 would really be awesome.

  • WinzA

    I think byrd is just going to cost too much money better to develop a safety if no clint nix or pyror buchanon fits our system perfectly

    • anon

      When’s the last time we developed a safety?

      • winza

        This is a different coaching staff.. nate allen improved over the season didn’t he