Sorting Through the Receiver Situation

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
INDIANAPOLIS – The quality of this wide receiver class is impacting the Eagles thinking. There’s no denying that.

Analysts and general managers alike are raving about the talent in this draft, and receiver is the first position they cite to illustrate their point. If you’re in need of a wideout, chances are you’ll be able to find one come May.

“I think we’re going to be sitting there in every round and there’s going to be a receiver we  like,”said Howie Roseman. “It’s just going to happen that way…Guys will be pushed back because of the quality and the depth of the class.”


The question is: how much will that factor into their stance when it comes to free agents Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin?

First, it decreases (perhaps significantly) the possibility that both Cooper and Maclin are back next season. DeSean Jackson is on the books for $10 million. Jason Avant (at least for the moment) is due to make north of $3 million. They currently have about $16 million dedicated to the position for next year. While that number can be whittled down (by restructuring or releasing Avant, for example) it's still hard to see them throwing two significant contracts onto the pile when cheaper options are available in the draft. So unless both players are willing to take discount deals, chances are one of them is walking.

"I think it is complicated when you look at it because we have guys on our roster that we drafted and that we like as players and that certainly fit into the chemistry of our football team," said Roseman. "And we're trying to figure out the whole dynamics of it because you can only put a limited amount of resources at a particular position before it starts taking out from other places."

The Eagles general manager spoke of establishing walkaway numbers before diving into negotiations. Even though they like both Maclin and Cooper, they don't want to move too far beyond what they consider market value. The strong wide receiver crop allows them to be more disciplined in that respect.

Still, the flexibility and freedom only extends so far. The Eagles don't want to find themselves in a situation where both Maclin and Cooper are elsewhere in 2014.

Think of it this way: Steelers GM Kevin Colbert on Thursday called this draft the deepest and most talented he's seen during his 30 years in the industry. He also brought up the point that it is the most immature. A record number of underclassmen have flooded this class, which has a lot to do with the depth that everyone is talking about. But younger players typically aren't as developed, and may not bear fruit immediately. Most of the top-end receivers are underclassmen.

Will Chip Kelly want to rely heavily on a young rookie that is unfamiliar with his system? Clearly, the preference would be to have a veteran option opposite Jackson.

The Eagles have a level of interest in both Cooper and Maclin. Cooper is healthy and already has a successful year in the scheme under his belt; Maclin has more upside but also comes with more risk. The market will help dictate which one they choose but chances are they choose one, let the other walk and then pull the trigger on one of the young guns in the draft.

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  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    wow, a deep WR class? first I’ve heard.

  • GEAGLE

    Coop will def be back IMO, Maclin is the question,and he will have to “play ball” if he wants to stay.. I could also see a scenario where we bring both back and still draft two WRs and possibly even Lyeria(carrying 4TEs next year)

    We should definitely establish walk away numbers. I don’t think we have a single FA who we have to keep at all costs. but I am expecting an extension for Cooper to be announced before the start of free agency. I want no parts of having to sign FA WR..as in, I don’t want to sign other teams WR, and I don’t want to bid on our own WRs..Coop and Mac need to sign now!! If they want to find out what they are worth on the market, I’d tell them bye! Don’t want to see us bidding on our own players. Keep who you want from reaching free agency.

    which is why I want them to decide on Nate now. if we want to keep Nate fine! extend him now. what I don’t want is us missing out on fee agent Safeties, and then settling for Nate while some other team bids on him and drives up the price. work out extensions now, and let all our free agents leave! Can’t bid on our own guys..

    • travis papa

      I think Allen gets resigned before free agency but more like march 10 after 2 days of tampering to see what his ceiling would be and where. To enter the draft without a huge gaping whole at safety we need to sign atleast 2guys possibly 3 of any talent level. Nate Allen will be 1. With the extra cap space it’s like getting him for free then taking a shot at ward or Byrd if possible. That was the strategy last yr that worked really well cover holes in free agency with mid-level guys draft bpa in draft if the bpa is a safety like Pryor then he can take a starting role in TC from a mid-level free agent and we are further ahead with depth. Ertz and Casey is the perfect example

      • GEAGLE

        I could see us extending Nate. But if we do extend him, the other safety we sign will be a similarly priced safety..If we want to go after Byrd, I suspect we would sign a cheap depth safety, and then pay a rookie and Wolff on like 500k rookie deals…
        ..
        You can probably get say Nate and Malcom Jenkins for similar money to Byrd…I’d rather go with Byrd and Wolff/competing with a rookie, then to see us add two average safeties…

        • travis papa

          I agree that’s what I’d rather see also but I’m betting on Nate Allen Stevie brown once the giants low ball because of his knee then Wolfe and a rookie. Byrd and ward aren’t getting free.

          • GEAGLE

            So you think the bills will pay Byrd 120% of the average of the 5 highest paid safeties, while INFURIATING Byrd and starting a crap storm? I can see Ward being tagged! but I’d Be shocked if the bills tag him again

            I think Byrd will be on a different team next year…why not us?

          • travis papa

            The number is 8.3 he is expected to want 9 on avg it’s not that far of a difference & the bills have over 30 in cap space. I don’t see how they can’t get a deal done now. Believe me I’ve watched him his whole career and I don’t want 1 player more than him. It’s just not in the cards. Brown’s have 46+ mil to spend ward and Byrd could fit in that budget with mack and Haden deals.

          • anon

            46+ da*mn, they could just buy everyone considering there aren’t many studs in FA this year.

          • GEAGLE

            Isn’t 8.3 the price to Tag Ward? The Bryce for Byrd would be higher because it would be the second year in a row they tagged him…they have had this cap money for years..why allow it to get to this point with Byrd? Now his DC is gone,,,

          • GEAGLE

            And Rams,Bears,Steelers,Cowboys,Jets,Dolphins,Packers all need safeties, so can Howie really count on Pryor/Dix making it past that entire row of safety desperation and lasting til 22? pay for Byrd! and now you get to use that pick on a serious WR or OLB talent….there is NO WR we can sign, or OLB to sign that can eliminate those as major draft needs…but there is a Safety that fits that Bill…

          • Maggie

            I see you read my post about who in the NFC needs safeties. Although you seem to have checked out the AFC ahead of me.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahaha yeah, I wouldn’t know who needs safety if it wasn’t for some post you wrote hahahah. Do you even hear yourself? Wonder why I avoid reading more then the first 3 words of your post…silly…keep sweating me, one day I’ll pat you on your head and show you some attention

        • Jeff Asay

          Spot on. IF they want one of Chip’s guys at safety for BIG money, it has to be Wolff and a rookie at the other safety. Signals tell me they aren’t making a splash in free agency yet. ..But where it gets dicey is since safety is in such short supply, Allen goes FA for money we think is foolish. Eagles hand may be forced to overpay the position and just go get Byrd.

    • Eagles4Life

      If we keep Cooper, we need a bona fide outside/slot guy becase Cooper can’t do both. Maclin hasn’t shown much, if any willingness to go across the middle. Whenever he gets semi-popped, he drops the ball.

      • GEAGLE

        No matter who we keep, and who walks, we are still drafting ATleast 1 WR. We won’t go into next season with Maehl and Damaris again

    • anon

      Teams have no clue what the market is going to be like. GMs are going to be hesitant to pay WRs b/c of depth in draft so Howie’s not talking to anyone’s agent. Let them go to the market and get disapointed — none of them have irreplaceable talent / measurables.

  • travis papa

    I’m starting to believe Byrd or ward is a pipe dream and both get franchised or sign elsewhere. I would be happy resigning Allen and taking a flier on both Stevie brown & Taylor Mays who could be a great ST guy then drafting another player when the board falls right

    • GEAGLE

      Lol Florio has a story up that Byrd will follow bills DC to Cleveland and the browns will let Ward walk to sign Byrd hahaha. What a crock of bleep…and I’m not supposed to make fun of Florio…
      ..
      Doubt Giants allow Stevie to become a free agent, but I do like the kid. How is Mays different then Chung?

      • anon

        If Stevie’s a FA — sign him up! Perfect option for Howie’s value picks.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I def think he is someone we could make an offer to..fits the criteria down to the injury lol. But the Giants have a ton of issues, they would be foolish to lose him and add another need…

          Think the cowboys are drafting Pryor or Dix(hopefully Dix)..Can they really afford to roll with Barry Church?
          ..
          Hearing steelers might move Ike Taylor to safety

          • anon

            I’d take Mo Claiborne for a 5th…

          • GEAGLE

            Eww I hate dirty stinking cowboys,,.l don’t even know how I would feel about Demarcus ware, and he is a humble! class act! nothing like the typical dirty rotten cowboy and I’m not sure I could be happy about adding him

            I spent too much time busting on them for taking Claiborne to be happy with the addition. Can’t think of no my dirty cowboys who played well for us..Felix jones

          • anon

            I don’t know what they were thinking with Felix Jones. Think that was a player for player trade.

      • NickS1

        Well, Mays is bigger and faster…

        • GEAGLE

          Equally as stupid!! He has plenty of Ernie sims in him…you will make Cary flip out if you have Chung and mays running into the back of his neck at full speed

          • NickS1

            Chung won’t be back :)… We’ve had this convo before, though.

          • GEAGLE

            So we finally rid our selves of Chung. And now we have to deal with Taylor mays? Your killing me!!!!

          • NickS1

            League minimum. ST only. All about the value.

      • GEAGLE

        Bills and Byrd are meeting tomorrow at the combine…

  • MediaMike

    The WR situation is always tricky with fans because far too many underrate DeSean Jackson because they don’t like him and reflexively overrated Maclin as a result. Seeing what ultimately turns out to be our WR corps next season should be a fun discussion.

    • Eagles4Life

      I always thought Maclin was somewhat overrated, and soft at times…looking at the numbers reinforced those thoughts, but I still think he’s worth keeping if the price is right.

      • MediaMike

        I agree with you. I don’t mind him here at all, but the “Maclin is better than Jackson” group is brutal.

        • Eagles4Life

          He’s made plays, but the guy gets shook up whenever a hit is coming or he takes one. Plays like he’s DJacc’s size sometimes lol.

      • anon

        who on offense isnt soft?

        • Maggie

          The center.

    • GEAGLE

      I’d rather add to our WR corp, then be replacing guys

      • MediaMike

        I’m interested to see where we add and where we replace.

        • GEAGLE

          Same…but I don’t expect to replace much. I think most of our replacements will start off as bench players we groom to replace the guys we have now. Our cap is healthy to where we can keep what we have now til we are certain we have their replacements groomed and ready to take over…

          I expect to restructure, more then replace..but it should be interesting. After this offseason we should have a decent idea how those regime will operate

          • anon

            need to replace all the depth WRs — except maybe b. smith; maybe.

          • GEAGLE

            Im talking starters….we need depth across the board! We need back young backups who can be groomed to take over for our starters in a year or two. Corner depth, safety depth, ILB depth, NT depth(Logan is the starter), WR depth, OL depth…friggin starting safety and starting OLB and OLB depth. We need to restock the depth across the board with young athletes…which is why I’m hoping we aquire more picks and take advantage of our coaches knowing the kids in college, and gambles Imput while we still have him..in like two years! Chip isn’t going to know the prospects any more….gotta get more picks in 2-5 range

          • anon

            Completely agree with all of that. Some of starters should be backups.

  • iceberg584

    Second paragraph: You want “cite”, not “site.”

    • Tim McManus

      Thank you, sir.

      • kyle wilson

        You actually read all this dreck?

        While I have your attention….thanks for all the great work you and Sheil do. It is literally 24/7….appreciate it and all the posters who stimulate dialogue.

  • usmcnole

    Let coop walk. A Benn can replace him. Sign maclin to 1 yr deal if you can. And draft kelvin benjamin!

    • GEAGLE

      You think you can count on Benns knees enough to count on him replacing anyone? You want to go into a year we should be a playoff team with a player overcoming His second ACL surgery, and one of the rawest WR prospects in the draft? If you want KB, better prepare to be patient with him, dude is as raw as it gets…he won’t be winning rookie of the year

      • usmcnole

        It won’t be hard to replace cooper if he walks for more money, regardless if its Benn or someone else we pick up. I watched KB all year. He is not as raw as you think. The Kid has a good head on his shoulders and is a hard worker. Thats on top of him being an athletic freak who fights for the football. If we can keep maclin, he still comes in as our #3-4 receiver giving him time a chance to develop.

        • GEAGLE

          If we keep Cooper it means we extended him before he became a FA and anyone got to bid on him…Easy to replace what? It took Coop YEARS before he was ready to do what he did this year…if we were changing coach or QB I would get the fascination with losing Coop, but in this offense with this QB, he works!!
          ..
          Heck, Coop and Desean are the only WR we can even count on right now. I’ll be surprised if this mega market is out there waiting to steal Coop away to mega bucks. GMs are wary of players who have one big year during a contract year, and I’m sure they will be even more skeptical when Coops one big year came in an offense that’s probably much different then what the other teams run…I just don’t see how anyone can reasonably offer him something crazy that we can’t match,.,but if he doesn’t want to play ball to stay here, and is intent on finding out what he is worth on the market…then bye….I just don’t expect that to be the case

      • usmcnole

        I agree with u. I’m down to keep coop so long as we don’t overpay for him. I just think we’d be missing a huge opportunity for the future if we don’t draft one of these pimp receivers coming out…and I believe kb will be the biggest pimp of them all in the long run

        • GEAGLE

          No way a Chip Kelly coached team with a pocket passer can pass on this WR class…Chip will be sweating like a crackhead on draft night over these kids…we def drafting ATleast one..

      • NickS1

        I’m prepared to be patient. Let the kid get tutored by Avant and the Juggs machine.

        • GEAGLE

          Hell yeah I want KB..but there is no reason to be weak at the position while we wait for him to grow. IF we had cap problems, I understand losing a good starter and replacing him with a rookie contract…but our cap is healthy enough to where there is no reason why we can’t have both

          • NickS1

            Yeah, I don’t think growing him an Ertz-like manner makes us weak, makes us patient. Won’t take him all season. Kid needs 6 routes: Seams, Posts, Flags, Flags, Posts, Seams. If you want to be creative, mix in the occasional In or Out route….. Foles can throw to KB in double coverage all day and not throw picks haha.

          • GEAGLE

            I want a deep, WR corp….not just 2 starting WR and a decent slot…KB and Desean isn’t enough for me…
            ..
            I want to see something like:
            Coop
            Desean
            KB
            Landry
            Ertz
            Celek
            Casey
            Lyeria
            Brad
            Avant
            DAT
            Shady
            And watch FOles spread the rain around

          • cliff henny

            ha, 6 routes…reminds me of blues brothers ‘we have both kinds of music, country and western’

  • Andy

    Well the depth of this market will also diminish the free market value of both Cooper and Maclin because every other team has the option of drafting a receiver as well. So that could make bringing one or both of them back more likely.
    Also, as I think about this flood of receivers washing over the league it makes me think strengthening our secondary has be an even bigger priority to combat this flush of WR talent.

  • GEAGLE

    Tim…no word on a new deal for Kelce yet? I want him to sign before Alex Mack’s deal effects our negotiations

  • anon

    Caughlin only got a 1-yr extension…uh-oh.

    • GEAGLE

      Good! They are making the mistake we made, holding on too long, while trying to retool on the fly. They won’t ever be a problem again til they blow it up and build the new era of Giants football…let them chase the COUGHLIN/manning magic, and keep giving us a head start before they even get on the right path

      • anon

        andy would still be here if he had 2sbs.

    • cliff henny

      is it thry 2015? when Eli’s contract runs out. think these 2 guys are tied to the hip together. Dallas will be mess,nyg should be coach and qb hunting and lol’skins, if Hall’s signing tells us anything, it’s that washington wont ever learn. hoping for a NE like dominantion for rest of decade.

      • anon

        yup 2015.

        • cliff henny

          perfect, i’m with johnny geagle, that’s what NYG is thinking. could be a death sentence contract for Coughlin. as red as his face gets, his blood pressure must be off the charts when Eli throews picks. he’s got to be closing in on 70, seriously worried he might explode like a sugar baby duck in a microwave on the sidelines.

          • GEAGLE

            Cowboys are negotiating with hatcher and Anthony Spencer lol spend baby spend!!!! Hahah jerry is just going to pay to keep that train wreck in place

          • cliff henny

            he cant, he just simply cant! oh man, that would be great. almost have to restructure f’n everyone ware, lee, romo, scandrick, carr, and witten. only way is if he does those crazy vet minimum base salaries with huge signing bonuses, and put another 2 guys on the restructure train. actually think dallas will be tough in ’14, but jerry has a herd of cows the size few have ever seen piling up the crap that he’ll need when it hit the fan in ’15.

          • GEAGLE

            Knew you would get a kick out of it lol…they don’t even know what defense the want to run lol. Allegedly they are staying in a 4-3 but they are negotiating with an Expensive OLB like Spencer lol. Only in jerry land

  • Rick H

    Allen Robinson in 2nd hopefully if he is still there with Cooper & 1 year hometown deal with Maclin
    i am becoming big fan of TE Nicklas from Notre Dame in late 3rd. Go defense in round 1. Trade up if you have to in round 2 for Robinson. Free agency for safetey and interior backup defensive line.

    • GEAGLE

      I like nIklas, I like Fiedorowicz, I like Sefarian Jenkins! I like Ebron….but is it really worth spending a draft pick in the first 3 rounds on a TE, when we can secure as good of a TE talent and athlete as we can ever have in round 5? if we really want Lyerla we can just draft him a round early and he will still have as much talent and potential as anyone you can get in the first 3 rounds..heck, draft him and force him to live with Chip as a rookie lol, or Celek(recently divorced)…makes it hard to like any TEs when this kid can be had for so cheap…and we are stacked at TE, so it’s a position we can afford to bust on if he doesn’t pan out

      • Rick H

        In my opinion yes because Niklas can really block and as you know we like to run… Good receiver as well especially as a potential 6′ 7″ redzone target.

        • GEAGLE

          Colt can REALLY block….
          Niklas(3rd) and Josh huff(5th)
          Or…
          Moncrief or Landry(3rd) and Colt Lyeria (5th)

          ?????

          • Rick H

            Geagle please fill me in on Moncrief and also Huff? I know is a pretty good prospect Huff but know nothing of Moncrief???

          • GEAGLE

            Cordarrel Patterson type..big, strong WR, physical..6’2-6’3( don’t know how he officially measured)…plays like a beast. We would be lucky to have him

  • cliff henny

    every round, i’m down wish that. 1st evans 2nd landry 3rd Bryant 4th moncrief 5th campanaro and hoffman 7th l’damiam washington. a crappy game for Foles would be an Oakland like game. send whichever 2 cant make the cut to safety, who cares, Eagles should score 70 every game.

    • GEAGLE

      Lol the rain maker would be flooding the NFL, til we have to start calling him Noah

      • MediaMike

        or Pac Man

      • cliff henny

        just go dime with 3 safeties, cant tackle a grandmother but INTs galour. be like madden when it first came out. every pass ends in td ot pick

    • GEAGLE

      Lol could you imagine what the NFL world would say if they see Chip draft 5 WRs back to back? Pass on an entire draft to stockpile WRs lol…they would be talking so much crap, but deep inside they be like Holy crap…and Chip be like:
      “Where Pete Carroll at? Show me this legion of boom”

      • cliff henny

        be like ‘this sh!t just got really real in Philly!’.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m already so pumped for Kelly vs. Pete and Kelly vs. Harbaugh next year…really hope this team takes that next step so we can hold our own with that schedule….Need to see Chip and FOles beat some elite teams so we can really take that next step and go into the playoffs belonging to win…I’m gonna go nuts when I get to see FOles in year two against Seahawks defense,,,next year will suck tho in that we won’t get so many 1pm games…I hate primetime

          • anon

            Primetime is way better — i can finally watch games on TV instead of the internet.

          • GEAGLE

            I hate primetime. Hate it!!!
            ..
            Nothing better then Sunday at 1pm, but I understand your reasoning

          • cliff henny

            my liver prefers 1pm games. worst is dallas mnf, might as well take 4 day weekend, monday and tuesday are worthless.

          • Maggie

            Many upvotes. From us West Coast types!

          • OldDocRoss

            Primetime is a nightmare!

            I live in Scotland. Used to be able to stay up for the games and still make work the next day but I’m sufficiently old now that I have to blow a day’s holiday any time we’re on late.

          • Kev_H

            I think the Eagles were there last year. AZ was in the mix with everyone else out west in 2013.

    • Maggie

      So long as Foles doesn’t keep getting sacked or run out of the pocket. Having 9 receivers without blocking or a respectable running game, besides McCoy, will mean nothing.

  • Kev_H

    I disagree with the general idea here. The Eagles need to be aggressive while they have Foles cheap and go with 4 wrs who he has rapport with (if they can) even if they are breaking in a talented rookie. Continuity is huge and all these guys (except for Avant) are in there primes. There best bet at a crown is to bring the offense back in tact save for maybe Herremans.

    • Jeff Asay

      If they go with the ‘It ain’t broke don’t fix it” you advocate, the offense will be one dimensional quickly. Outside of Jackson and one of the pending FA’s, that WR corp needs a full restocking. Celek is nearly done and they have to spend a pick on a OT who can play guard. As poor as the defense is, I could easily spend 4 picks on offense: OT, WR, WR, QB and 3 defense S, CB, OLB. Don’t really want a pick spent on a QB, but I buy into the argument others make that Chip may spend a 3rd day pick on a project to compete with Barkley. I don’t want a pick spent on NT. Rather spend 3 picks on safety and hope one is a starter for a decade.

      • Kev_H

        I guess it depends on where you think the team is. I’m looking at a record breaking offense in 2013 with 1/2 season of Foles, no Maclin, skill players in their prime years and only Peters and Jackson being big dollar guys. I also think the Eagles were as good as anyone and only a pass rusher, safety, and kicker away from being a juggernaut.

        The other consideration is that even the greatest WRs contribute marginally their first season. It comes down to either a perpetually building, 5 years away mindset vs. taking your best shot every year. I’ve never been as excited about an Eagles team in terms of championship possibilities (and I went to their first game at the Vet). Macklin and Cooper both have baggage that leaves an opening for a team friendly, multi-year deal that could be a big winner for the Birds.

        • Jeff Asay

          I understand where you’re coming from, but you have to temper last season’s results with strength of schedule. The only bonafide contender they played was Denver. We shall learn how close the Eagles are playing a first place schedule including the NFC West. The risk of thinking they are as close as you say is a repeat of the Reid years. Good enough to win the division, but a poor record versus playoff teams. It was over a decade before his Eagles ever beat an AFC elite in a regular season game. You could write it down that they’d lose, and lose badly, to Indy, New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore when the AFC was the power conference. Now arguably the two best are Seattle and the ‘Niners and we get both this season. Play both competitively and win one of those games and I will be on board.

  • GEAGLE

    Multiple league sources lol tell Profootballtalk, that the browns almost aquired coach Jim Harbaugh in a trade before hiring Mike Pettine……WTF!?!?

    • peteike

      wtf is right. strange

    • cliff henny

      http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/2/20/5430152/2014-nfl-salary-cap-projected-to-be-130-million-Dallas-Cowboys#comments
      .
      if you want a good read on dallas’ cap, comment section has some guys who are really knowledgable.

      • GEAGLE

        Hahahahahahaha I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be a fan of that mess, even when we were 4-12 we weren’t screwed for the next 3 years.poor dirty despicable cowboy fools

        • Dr Rick

          Dallas=dumpster fire.
          Their owner is their biggest liability. Maybe they should trade him.

        • cliff henny

          dont know what i would do if lurie/howie shifted gears and managed cap like cowboys. i’d have tough time being a cowboy fan mostly because of other cowboy fans. you read some of those postings, make less than dutch sense. for the most part, even when i disagree with guys on this site, i atleast know they are knowledgable, there’s some thought process. feel like being a dallas fan is like watching super bowl every week, and i hate super bowl parties. people asking dumbass questions, bandwagoners, how could you talk to a guy from michigan who’s only reason he liked your team is because the star on the helmet was cool to him as a kid.

    • Dr Rick

      OK, reality check for me. Is it even possible to trade a coach? And for picks? I heard this on ESPN and thought it was a Sat Night Live thing. Too weird. Of course, Harbaugh is a bit volatile and disliked by many who would love to trade him out of the division.

      • GEAGLE

        Bellicek was traded for pics before wasn’t he? Yes, you can trade a coach, and I think this report is real. Browns didn’t deny it

  • Jeff L

    Any Chance We Can Sign And Trade MacliN And mid Rd Pick For A Top 10 Pick And Get Sammy Watkins???

    • cliff henny

      that’s nba, cant do s-n-t’s in nfl, teams would take on massive dead money

  • GEAGLE

    All the WRs were weighed and measured today…one of those kids will be in an eagles jersey..wonder which one it is..

    • cliff henny

      mike evans!

      • anon

        that’s like getting excited for byrd or ward. save yourself the heartache.

        • cliff henny

          nope. that ship sailed about 33 yrs ago my friend

      • GEAGLE

        U wish…dudes about to become the talk of the combine lol..if you are hoping he falls because he measured 5/8th shorter then he was listed you might be dissapointed…better shoot for Landry, he weighed in a little shy of 6, 204lbs…

        Do you dare watch the sixers tonight Cliff? The Mullens era

        • cliff henny

          moncreif in 4th, dat in 5th. go barr joyner c jones and other 5th get TE out of georgia. but, i never mock trench guys, too boring.
          .
          not sure. wont be nearly as fun to see them lose by 50 w/out getting to hate on turner. think only dressing 8 guys. this might be the single worst team put on floor for 1 game, guess young prevents that, but it would be hard to find a worse collection.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            that may be my most favorite draft yet. Finish it with Zach Kerr in the 7th, Lyerla as a UDFA and Byrd in FA.
            I believe in Philly, we’ll have to coin a draft like that a “Hinkie”

          • cliff henny

            well, colt means forget lynch, add corner. was nice when sbj was 5th, sounds like he’s going earlier. maybe Desir falls a bit.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d take Desir in a heartbeat, or Colvin

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    some combine measurables — QB, RB, WR (limited)
    http://mockdraftable.com/players/2014/

    **my early takeaways:
    1) not impressed with any of those QBs, or at least ones we have a realistic chance to acquire. Logan Thomas has HUGE hands (even bigger than Foles’ 10 5/8″); shame he’s not a real QB. Maybe we can get him and Joe Webb, playing the odds that 1 of them can actually develop if installed in a gimmicky offense requiring little of a QB.
    2) Dri and DAT are both men who are small in stature.
    3) 10 WR who are > 6″ !!!! (ODB, Landry, and Lee are oh so close as well).
    4) was a fan of Jordan Matthews previously, glad to see his college h/w was not inflated. Big, strong WR with long arms and the biggest hands of the group. Fantastic at high-point catching.
    5) It is confirmed Evans is still the freak of nature we all thought he was.
    6) Robinson and Moncrief measure out almost identically, for whatever that’s worth
    7) Somehow, someway (for likely less pay), I hope Avant stays next year to work the JUGS with one of these kids. Excited to see which one is in green in 6 months.

    • Token

      DAT has baby hands.

      Evans, geez. If he can run just a little bit. We know he can catch in traffic.

      • Adam

        Hands down my favourite prospect. If he runs a half decent 40 he might go top 10. If he falls anywhere past 16 I would love if we traded up but I doubt that happens.

        • GEAGLE

          Dude is about to run his way into the top 10 smh

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Only 4 OL have longer arms than Evans

        • Token

          Hes a beast. Very curious to see how he runs now. Looks like he will be out of range for us for sure now.

          • cliff henny

            he stinks, eagles will do him a favor by taking him w/ 22nd pick. just hope he goes afc

    • southy

      Cut Avant’s salary in half and bring him back on the coaching staff for the other half. (there have to be rules against this, but it’s a thought)

  • Cmeans66

    I would love to resign Maclin, restructure Avant, get Pryor in the 1st, and an OLB & WR in the 2nd & 3rd. I know that’s a stretch but one can hope.

  • anon

    The Philadelphia Inquirer reports the Eagles favor keeping free agent Jeremy Maclin over Riley Cooper. – Roto

    Boy they are messing with Riley’s head…

    • Token

      Seems dumb to not keep Cooper. Works well with Foles. Good at adjusting to balls in the air. Good blocker. Can play ST. Wont cost a lot. Id view him as the 4/5 guy. Avant gets cut. Keep Maclin too and still draft a WR high.

      Jackson-Draft-Maclin-Cooper-Later pick.

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t care what McLane says! doubt Coop is going anywhere

        • Tom w

          I don’t out any weight on eagles beat guys except Reuben

    • southy

      smoke screen?

  • hrtak

    My offseason wishlist:
    1) Keep Cooper for cheap/Let sefltacklin Maclin go. Restructuralize Avant
    2) Release Chung, Sign Byrd in FA, keep Colt Anderson and – realease Chung :)
    3) tag Donnie “Football” Jones
    4) Trade Graham+1st to Miami for Jordan // or trade Graham for 3rd/4th and than trade up for Barr/Ford. Bryce can be traded also
    5) Draft BPA, WR, OL, CB, S in 2,3,4,5
    6) Draft DAT in 6/7
    7) Sign Joe Webb and mid-low tier CB in FA

  • Jeff Asay

    All this focus on arm length, especially for linemen, has made me a little self-conscious. Lol…I’m a shade under 5’11″ with 34″ arms. Never realized what a knuckle-dragger that makes me. Ha

  • Jeff Asay

    Wide receivers take time to develop. Few contribute right away and many never pan out. Julio Jones worked out in Atlanta, but they gave up a ton to get him. So while I’d like to see the Eagles load up at WR with two picks spent on the position, fans have to understand those guys won’t put up numbers right away. More like a Zach Ertz working in over the course of the season. Eagles need to get a mid level free agent veteran plus retain one of the two FA’s. I want Cooper.

    • anon

      Draft is so deep you can get a second round wr that’s a starter.

      Hopefully we can find Keenan Allen part ii.

  • GEAGLE

    Start this damn combine,…I’m hype

    • Token

      Colt Lyerla had the least amount of bench reps of any TE. Kid couldnt fit gym time around his cocaine schedule apparently.

      The good news is this makes it more and more likely hes gonna go undrafted so we get a chance to give him a look for nothing.

      • GEAGLE

        Good!! Now I won’t have to pay a cop to frame him and get him arrested before the draft

        • Token

          I doubt any team is gonna touch this kid. So he should be coming here as a UDFA. He says he wants to be with Chip.

      • cliff henny

        nawh, no reason he couldnt of been lifting all gacked out.

    • Tom w

      Jon halapio

  • GEAGLE

    Oh god..Micheal Sam will speak to the media today smh..what a joke the media is. Waited months for the combine, and the media wants to make it a gossip fest Talking to a day 3 player because he is attracted to dudes..as if I give a crap…

  • Engwrite

    There are many ways to look at improving the team’s offense, which was quite good last year; I tend to look at the whole, though.

    The QB, RBs and OL were very good. The QB should get even better with experience. I can’t imagine McCoy can get much better. I remain hopeful Brown can approach his enormous potential and if not, Polk should deliver. RT Johnson should improve on his second year, so only Herremans remains a question mark for 2014. (I’m not considering age and the need to plan for the future.)

    Celek and Ertz did quite well and Ertz is likely to get much better. That leaves the
    receivers. DeSean had a great year and Cooper had a great second half. Only Avant (I am a fan, particularly on 3rd and ten) did not.
    So looking at the offense as a whole, it seems that the most noticeable improvement could be had by replacing Avant with Maclin. I don’t know current or expected salaries but adding Avant’s salary to the pot ought to help retain both Cooper and Maclin. (I assume all three would alternate as slot receivers, depending on the situation)
    As far as replacing either with any of the many fabulously fast and large receivers blessed with outsized hands available in the draft, I am reminded of all the top five, top ten, can’t miss receivers, (sorry about that Detroit), that indeed did miss.

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Since we’re apparently not gonna have or pay anyone half decent money at safety, that money can be used at WR.

  • Brazilnut

    I actually think that the wide receiver depth helps the chances of Coop staying. With such a deep draft I doubt any team is willing to shell out very much money for him, and I think the Eagles would be willing to match a low deal. I expect Avant to be cut and Maclin and Cooper to both be resigned, plus either draft a WR or grab a cheap free agent.