Eagles Wake-Up Call: Combine Primer

NCAA Basketball: Pacific at Oregon

The NFL scouting combine officially gets under way today in Indianapolis. Here are three things we’ll be watching, with an Eagles slant.

1. De’Anthony Thomas


Oregon's multi-purpose offensive weapon is sure to turn heads when it comes time to run the 40. ESPN.com's Todd McShay handicapped the race to become the draft's fastest player and included Thomas on his list:

I don't know if I've ever seen a prospect look faster in a live game situation with the ball in his hands than Thomas. He's also a track guy, and was a Division I All-American in 2013 as the anchor leg of Oregon's 4x100-meter relay team.

Thomas thrived in Chip Kelly's offense, averaging 7.6 YPC in 2012. He scored 28 total touchdowns in his final two college seasons, including three as a returner on special teams.

The connection between Thomas and the Eagles will likely be made by many in the coming days and weeks.

2. The risers

Every year we see certain guys make a leap in Indy. Lane Johnson had perhaps the best combine ever for an offensive lineman last year and vaulted all the way up to the No. 4 pick.

A couple guys to watch this year. Gil Brandt of NFL.com thinks UCLA guard Xavier Su'a-Filo will light it up. Su'a-Filo is projected as a second-day pick, but Brandt thinks he's a Day One starter.

Another name to keep an eye on is Oklahoma State cornerback Justin Gilbert. Gilbert is currently Mike Mayock's No. 2-rated CB, but Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com thinks he has a chance to run the fastest 40 in the class:

I asked several area scouts and personnel executives to give me the names of a few players that they thought would run blazing times, and Gilbert's name was easily the most mentioned during those discussions. He's a very big cornerback, checking in at 6-foot, 200 pounds -- and still, it's easy to notice his breakaway speed in the return game and his make-up speed in coverage. To use a scouting term, Gilbert has "easy speed." He doesn't labor when he runs and he picks up ground in a hurry. He's expected to run in the mid-to-low 4.3s.

Gilbert has shown up at No. 22 to the Eagles in some mocks already. There's a chance he goes much earlier.

3. Free agency buzz

On Thursday and Friday, NFL coaches and GMs take the podium and answer questions from reporters across the country. Howie Roseman is scheduled to speak Thursday afternoon. Kelly is one of nine coaches not expected to chat.

Will Roseman stick with the message he's been preaching for months? The one where he cautions Eagles fans from expecting a big splash and emphasizes more of a batting average approach?

Probably.

But the thing about the combine is all the agents descend upon Indianapolis. Some will try to create a buzz for their clients. Others will offer legitimate information off-the-record to reporters.

One way or another, we'll have something to talk about in the coming days, and Birds 24/7 will be there to make sense of it all.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Mayock thinks this is the best draft in 10 years and pegs Auburn's Dee Ford as a potential fit for the Eagles.

T-Mac with some notes on Dion Jordan and the OLB market.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com thinks the Eagles will be looking at QBs in Indy:

Roseman said the Eagles evaluate every potential draft pick.

Including quarterbacks.

“We look at everybody,” Roseman said in a recent interview. “You have to. You don’t go into it only evaluating guys based on what you need right now. In this day and age, so much changes, it’s almost impossible to determine what you’re going to need in a year or two.”

Brian Solomon of McNabbOrKolb.com takes a deep dive into where Alex Henery ranked among kickers last season:

On the other end of the spectrum, Henery ranked third-worst in the NFL last year. He lost the Eagles approximately 10.8 points, split about equally between kickoffs and field goals. Henery was near the bottom of the pack in kickoff distance and average drive start, losing 1.6 yards per kickoff. Meanwhile, his 80% field goal accuracy should have been better, given he took mostly shorter kicks. The league average accuracy for his attempts would have been 85.8%.

COMING UP

We'll catch up with Roseman and have complete combine coverage. Offensive linemen, tight ends and specialists are scheduled to weigh in. Testing does not begin until Friday.

  • NickS1

    That blurb about Henery was a morning kick in the nuts. Thanks.

    • UKEagle99

      Fortunately it was Henery kicking you in the nuts, it was a little short.

      • Ark87

        wide left

        • GEAGLE

          Laces out Marino!!!

          • NickS1

            Are you another one of those Hard Copy guys?

      • GEAGLE

        Wonder what they do about him…we will 100% bring another kicker into camp to compete with him. The question is where will this other kicker come from? Free agent? Undrafted rookie kicker? Someone will be brought in to compete and push Alex, hopefully the kicker we bring in can take his job…can’t believe we spent a 4th round pick on Alex and he sucks…I don’t even understand why he sucks like this…he was a good kicker when we drafted him…wtf happened?

        • aub32

          I’d rather Henery rise to the challenge and keep his job. The kid has potential. He needs to be challenged. I’d rather have a home grown stud for the long haul than looking for some retread year after year like some teams do.

          • GEAGLE

            That would certainly be ideal….tell you the truth, my biggest concern with Alex isn’t even his poor erratic performances. my Beef with him is that, now two different NFL coaches have kept him on a very short leash, rarely allowing him to kick from long range…two coaches now, show very little Confidemce in him, and that scares the Bejesus out of me,,.

            Alex is a 4th round pick with a heckuva pedigree, IDEALLY, he gets his ISH together, and grows into the kicker he is supposed to be, but we can no longer just assume it. he needs to be fighting for his job al summer, and Hopfully he rises to the challenge…
            ..
            The more stability we have the better, and that goes for every position from QB to kicker…hopefully this kid gets it together soon

          • aub32

            I do agree with that. He definitely needs to compete for his job, and you brought up a good point about the coaches being a bit conservative when it came to longers FGs. Though I can deal with a guy whose max range is 51-53 if he becomes deadly accurate within 45.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s fair, and like you I could live with that, but I can’t live with the inability to kick it out the back of the ENDZONE on kickoff. If his leg can’t become strength enough to do that, find a punter who can kick off…don’t ever think I seem a game more effected by a kicker then the Vikings game..it was a really horribly painful game to sit thru

          • aub32

            The Vikings game was more due to our poor STs coverage. There are plenty of kickers who can’t kick the ball out of the endzone consistently. Honestly if you go back to his rookie season, Henery has gotten better at getting touchbacks. Even in the NO game, where many fans were up in arms for his last KO, he outkicked the NO’s kicker. I don’t know if we can expect a guy to boot the ball out of the endzone every time once winter begins.

          • GEAGLE

            All true….but you have to be able to kick touch backs ATleast when you are playing in a Dome…

          • aub32

            I think he could have kicked it 5-7 yards into the endzone. Most of the time those are toubacks, but against certain returners (C. Patterson) Kelly didn’t want to take that chance with the way our STs unit looked. Hopefully we can make some moves to upgrade the entire STs unit in addition to challenging Henery.

          • RIP illa

            Just wondering what potential you see in him? Other than the potential of being one of the most accurate short range Kickers in the league, and that was off for him this last season, his long game has sucked since he was drafted. He chokes too much when he has to kick long outside of warm ups and practice. That’s why Reid seldomly let him kick anything long. And Kickoffs are atrocious when compared to average kickers.

          • aub32

            His kickoffs have gotten better. I think too much is made of that now since he could barely reach the endzone, if at all as a rookie. Many of these retread making 50+ yard kicks will be mediocre or below next season. Just look at how some of them left their former teams. Henery was one of the only guy many of us praised in 2012. He can be accurate within 45. If he can get back to that, I want him. As nice as it is to have a guy occasionally make a 50+ yarder, which Henery did do this year, I want the ability to go to the bathroom during any kick within 45 yards because I know our kicker is automatic within that range.

        • UKEagle99

          Yes a 4th was ridiculous.

          The obvious choice is Graham Gano, I know it has been mentioned on here a few times. I’m probably one of the few that disagree for the following reasons.

          Kickers take a while to grow in to the job, one of the few positions that generally improve with age, until they pop and decline very quickly.

          Gano only averaged a further 2.3 yards on kickoffs (but had double the TB’s) but he is kicking in warmer climes, would he, could he match that here?

          When Gano was further north playing for Washington he was poor, this also coincides with his first 3 years in the league, back to my growing in to the job point.

          I look at someone like Nate Freese and wonder whether we could bring him in to push Henery? He was solid in his last 2 years for Boston and kicked in colder weather. Should he beat Henery out then we are back to having a rookie kicker and the growing part but I would hope that Henery would win out. Hopefully he is spending this off-season building that leg up! He just needs a little more power for KO’s and then he won’t be as on the limit when trying to nail a 50 yarder!

          • GEAGLE

            Fipp needs to just hold him down and shoot HGH into his kicking leg

      • NickS1

        Shocked he didn’t miss.

    • Matt

      Except its based on bad data. It totally ignores the single biggest factor affecting a kicker- weather conditions.

      So the conclusions are worthless. Henery is fine.

      • Adam

        You are honestly one of the funniest commenters on this blog. You just show up out of nowhere to defend a terrible kicker.

        I’m actually starting to think you are Alex Henery, or at the very least a close relative.

        • Richard Colton

          I forgot this guy existed. He’s amazing. I love how indignant he gets while defending Henery, who’s what? the 20th best kicker in the league on his best day?

          • Adam

            24 of his 25 previous comments are defending Alex Henery. So strange.

          • Richard Colton

            Its called “foot”ball for a reason Adam. Some people are just purists.

          • Matt

            He’s much better than the 20th best kicker.

            I also have a hunch he will be really good some day, but its hard to predict that.

        • Matt

          I read this site very often. I just don’t have time to comment.

          And BTW, he is not a terrible kicker. The data doesn’t support that argument.

          No, I am not Henery, and I never even met him. I just hate illogical arguments based on emotion and not data.

          • Adam

            You’ll have to forgive me when I say I find it hard to believe you can visit this site very often and choose the bashing of Henery to be the only “illogical arguments based on emotion and not data” worth piping up on without some kind of connection to the guy.

            You’re either him, a family member, or a massive fan. Because just about 90% of the comments on this blog are illogical.

          • Matt

            I can’t help you there. The data is clear- Henery is a good kicker. I’ve read many comments about Henery, and its always based on short term memory and emotion. “I WATCH THE GAMES HE SUCKS”- that’s not valid data.

            I’m not him, a family member, or a massive fan. I just want him to get a fair shake. I see the media and ignorant fan fueled belief that he isn’t any good (“HE’S TURRIBLE!! JUST WATCH!”), which it isn’t based on anything except what others have said, and not facts and data.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        you’re back? just Henery posts, is it? christ…

        • Matt

          Its what I’m an expert on.

          • Richard Colton

            I refuse to admit you’re real. Seriously, who is this? Andy? Wine glass?

          • Matt

            My name is Matt. I like facts.

      • JofreyRice

        there you are! I agree. I think Henery should be judged on a separate scale, where any of his kicks outside of standard thermodynamic conditions are weighted with some kind of formula.

        • NickS1

          I hope he posts his new study on here that controls for the biggest single factor affecting a kicker – weather conditions….. I love that he makes this statement like other kickers aren’t judged in the manner. This is hilarious.

          • Matt

            Well they arent- they are all judged on percentage.

          • JofreyRice

            wait, you mean there’s some metric that judges all kickers against the same objective standard???? WHAT MADNESS DO YE SPEAK?

          • Matt

            Yep, but its not percentage.

        • Token

          lol I still cant get over a guy defending Henery. Gotta be related to him or something.

          There not even anything to cling on to when trying to build a case for Henery. So hes left resorting to stuff like “bad data” or “stats dont matter”.

          Simply, the guy is near the bottom of the NFL as a kicker. Weak leg. Cant be trusted from outside 35 yards. Doesnt get touchbacks. You wont last long as a NFL kicker like that. Someone posted earlier, 2 coaching staffs now have shown little trust in Alex past like 35 yards, 40 max. Thats pretty telling.

          As long as kickers are gonna be in the league you may as well have a weapon at that spot. A guy with the leg to atleast get you touchbacks on kickoffs and have the leg ability to get 50 yard distance.

          • Matt

            Nope not related to him. Just understand logic and data.

            There is a lot to cling on. He made 9 kicks in a row at the end of the year, include 3 of 4 over 45. That’s just a start.

            He doesn’t have a weak leg- he attempted a 60 yard FG and missed but he did have the distance. And he is very good from long distance.

            You are exactly what I’m talking about.

          • Token

            You understand data, the data says hes a below average kicker, you then say the data is wrong. I think we are gonna keep going in circles here. Im prefer my kicker to simply not lose me games. Winning them is a bonus. Your cousin has lost us games.

            Luckily hes gonna get cut and we dont have to have this conversation all next season. I think Chip hates his guts.

          • Matt

            I prefer my kicker not to lose games, and to win them is even better. Since Henery has both not lost us games, and won us many games, he is good. (And he is not my cousin- hell I’ve never even met him).

            Chip bases his thoughts on actually data, not emotion like you do.

        • Matt

          No, ALL Kickers should be judge on that scaled- because its the only one that actually is support by reality.

    • JofreyRice

      where’s that weird guy that was offering up the world’s most listless defense of the Eagles kicker? “I like facts”. “Henery’s good”.

      • Richard Colton

        The man likes facts. I really don’t see what the issue is.

      • Matt

        Except I actual list the facts. See above.

        • JofreyRice

          You don’t list facts so much as excuses and explanations–we should take the weather into account in some nebulous way, and that he kicked it far enough on a missed field goal once.

          The fact is that objectively, hes near the very bottom in field goal % and amount of touchbacks generated, according to the metrics that track such things. The “fact” that Kelly couldn’t trust him to kick it out of the back of the endzone on multiple occasions was obvious by the strategy they employed when facing good returners. Kelly or Fipp didn’t trust the guy, it was obvious.

          Why is this your cross to bear? What do you get out of it? Some sense of satisfaction that you’ve stumbled onto something everyone else has missed? You haven’t.

          • Matt

            There is a study out there that conclusively shows that you cannot use FG % as a way to evaluate a kicker. Weather conditions factor in. A 48 yard kick in September in Tampa Bay is not the same difficulty as a 48 yard kick in December in New England.

            Kickoffs are the same. There is no kicker that can consistently kick it out of the end zone, so you have factor in weather conditions, returner likelihood to return, and coverage team. So its not obvious what Chip or Fipp think.

            What do I get out of this? Bring truth and facts to the discussion.

          • JofreyRice

            The bottom line is he costs the team points, by way of opponent starting field position and missed Field Goals. You’re explanations may hold some truth–however, they did not let him try and create touchbacks in a dome in Minny–but they are ultimately irrelevant.

            Henery might be a fine kicker in Tampa Bay, or San Diego, or on the moon, but he’s kicking in Philadelphia, New York and Washington in the Fall and Winter. and that’s where he’s going to be judged. The guy is just not good enough. Watch them bring in someone to take his job, and tell us about the facts, then.

          • Matt

            Nope, he has not cost us points. There is little data to say whether he is solely or even partly responsible for starting field position. And all kickers miss FGs- and he has yet to cost us a came because of that. And even if had, it would only be a few- which happens to EVERY kicker. That’s what I’m talking about when haters only have emotion and not facts.

            And when you judge him here- he is a good. He is good enough. Nobody will take the job from him because there are very few good kickers out there to do that- and they’ll cost money that could be better spent elsewhere.

  • cliff henny

    really warming up idea of maybe getting DAT little earlier than 5th. one formation teams had hard time with was when d-jax went in ghost motion, but my issue was about 1/2 the time he was straight out decoy. some decoying is ok, but i want jax outside where he’s td threat on every play. imagine d-jax and DAT lining up same side with cooper and ertz on other, DAT ghosts across, have jax with half the field to himself, doesnt need to block, running downfield will open lanes for shady, or swing to DAT if numbers or he could take handoff, cooper could the slip block patterns-really hope we see more of that, those are the plays at oregon where guys were 20 yards open and had walk in tds…switch cooper for Mike Evans, good luck.
    .
    thinking about what kelly had to work with, and some of these guys coming out, wonder what percentage of the offense we saw. top5 offense is damn near every catagory, and felt like alot was left on the table.

    • GEAGLE

      Chip and the FO proved to be no fools, so if we over draft a kid from Oregon, I’m ok with it…Chip has had a year to see the NFL up close, if he believes an Oregon kid can help us, then I’m all for it..

      Would I pull the trigger on DAT in the 4th? No, there will be too many CB I like in the Boykin zone to be taking DAT, but if our coaches feel he is a good pick. I’d be all for it. This isn’t a silly FO that will target Jermey Bloom types, if we draft DAT, Chip will know exactly how to use him and how to make sure we get value out of him…

      DAT would be our KR/PR from day one, and Cliff is absolutely right, in having Desean and Dat on the field running ghost motion, will drive teams crazy.,.

      I’m nt a fan of the pick. But I don’t hate it either..I view drafting Oregon kids as low risk

      • cliff henny

        if DAT is still there with 2nd 5th, or if eagles pick up another 4th, then i’m pounding the table. real beauty of Thomas is what we hoped Shepard was going to be, the slot wr/rb hybrid. jax can do a little of that, but i’m not huge fan of it. can line jax up wherever you want, but he needs to get the ball on or going towards sidelines. who he is, i’m fine with it. another reason i love evans, perfect compliment to jax. another defensive nihtmare, DAT in slot, shady motions out of backfield, DAT replaces him…who’s covering who, is CB replacing lb in box that shady pulled out.
        .
        let’s hope, have all that cap space, gotta land some picks. almost want turner back, gives reason to root against sixers while pulling for couple fun young players and piling up losses.

        • GEAGLE

          If we can’t trade ET or Hawes, I want to see Bret Brown play them 48minutes a night for the rest of the season…it would be soooo funny.

          I also think it would be historical to trade away ET for a 2nd round pick…he thinks he is the best player in the world, imagine the contract negotiations this summer:
          ET: “I’m one of the best players in the game, I have confidence, I want 10mil per year”
          ..
          Hinkie: “dude, you were traded for a 2nd round pick lol”

          • cliff henny

            some one will take Hawes, about 99% sure on that. my guess is turner needs to be in 3-way, where his salary and sixers eating more money to make trade work, and pick up a 1st. if not, hinkie will drop him for a bs 2nd. poor Young, think he’ll suffer thru 27.

          • GEAGLE

            I hope young is freed from this mess…it’s rare that we see a modern athlete who has played the good soldier for as long as Thad,,,hope he doesn’t waste his entire prime playing with this slop

          • Tom W

            Hawes to cleveland … reportly 2 second rounders

          • cliff henny

            guess 1 in ’14, another in ’15? be great if both in ’14, be 5, lol. how much would i give for eagles to have 4 or 5 2nd rdrs.

          • GEAGLE

            Right!!!

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks for the heads up

          • Tom W

            Hawes just got traded. 2 second rounders to cleveland

          • GEAGLE

            Seriously?

        • GEAGLE

          I like the addition of DAT because he is said to be really good at running throes pivot routes Welker has made famous from the slot…DJax can’t run those routes.
          ..
          Also can you imagine our screen game with Dat and Shady on the field together? Saints have a dangerous screen package for Sproles out of two back sets…

      • aub32

        You realize Boykin only fell to the 4th due to an injury. He was originally projected in the 2nd. The fact that we got him in the 4th, even with the injury, baffles me. Do you really think there are guys in this draft with Bokykin’s talent that will fall to the 4th? Names?

        • GEAGLE

          I had no idea..thanks….FYI, every year there is a talent to be had in every single round, just gotta find it.

          • aub32

            My counter would be that if DAT could give us someone in the mold of a Randall Cobb, then I would be all for pulling the trigger in the 4th.

          • GEAGLE

            Like I said, personally, I think there is better value in round 4, but because our trusted coach knows him so well, I wouldn’t even question the pick if we take him in the 3rd…players Chip knows so well, i don’t care if we overdraft. I would have questioned us over drafting Ducks last year, but now Chip has had a season to see the NFL up close. He knows what works, he knows what he needs…if Chip believes a duck can help, I dont care where we draft them….really can’t wait t have another offseason worth of intel on how Chip operates
            ..
            Speaking of Randall Colb, tell me Odell Beckham Jr isn’t a young Colb clone?

          • Tom W

            I would be happy with all 4 of those guys in rds 2 4 5 7 and get defense in 1 3 5

          • GEAGLE

            Wish we could get Jared Boykin from the Packers…nice lil weapon

          • Tom W

            There is a bunch of kids who could be starting corners in the 4th this year … boykin dropped because of the injury and his height he was suppose to be a second rounder and howie had to pray for him to stay up in the 4th …
            if mitchell isnt dropping from the third try snagging one of the other big corners still available and projected in the 4th — keith mcgill 6 3 from utah (corner/safety), pierr desir 6 1 for lindenhurst – long lean fast played well at ew game and did respectable at senior bowl, jaylen watkins 6 ft from florida – sick athlete, the kid aiken from liberty in the 5th.

            I really would love Bashaud Breeland from Clemon to make it to the 3-4th round range but scouts are already starting to fall in love w him after reviewing him … I know Jeremiah just put him in his revised top 50 … so much for a sleeper corner : (

          • RIP illa

            Just a heads up, Desir has been a steady 2nd rd prospect projection since the East West and Senior Bowl. McGill could have also rose up in the ranks, but according to many, he’s too stiff and lacking so he’s staying in that 4th range. All the reports that I’ve heard/read on Mitchell suggest that he’s slow. And possibly the same w/ Breeland unless he runs that 4.42 that has been reported when he was in school, however most projections have him in the 4.5 range. Basically please no corners that are running 4.5!!! Davis from Auburn is a name that interest me a bit, but I’m not sure if he’s a 2nd rd guy, like I’ve seen…or a 4th/5th rd guy, like I’ve also seen.

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely!!! If we were to draft a CB in rounds 2-3 I would hope it would be jean Baptiste, but I just watched his film on Sunday so he is fresh in my mind..I would prefer to wait til the 4th because there will be talent to be had. Think Walt Aiken is someone to keep an eye on.

            People act like anything after round 3 is chopped liver, but thats just what 14years of Andy will do to you. We got a kid in Wolff last year in round 5. we can debate can he grow into a starter, but In some capacity that kid will grow into someone who can contribute to a good defense, and we got him last year in a draft that isn’t half as deep as this one…

            Good GMs, can pluck some players out of rounds 4-5. Obviously they will have their share of misses, but if the Eagles focus on Intelligence, and don’t compromise on passion and Charecter, then the talent they bring in, can be counted on to listen to the coaches, and be committed to busting their ass to grow into quality NFL players which should help lower our bust potential….we know we put a premium on size and athletic ability, if the head and the heart check out, then there is a good chance sooner or later it will click for a kid and we get something out of him…

            We coached up every single player that we brought back from the 2012 team…I trust this personel department more then ever. I believe in the advantage our college coaches have knowing these draft prospects better then most NFL people, and I trust these coaches to get players to run thru walls for them and make sue we are fundamentally sound and discaplined…,

            IM really expecting some quality drafts these next two years…
            ..

          • Richard Colton

            Keep seeing Jean Baptiste in round two more and more. You know, the Seattle thing.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup, major problem….actually the “Seatle thing” really started with DRC,,,he was the first, long, freak athlete cover guy that shot up the draft board and everyone went crazy over…DRC was the original prospect who started this tall, long. Steals CB craze…size ain’t everything lol

          • Clamdigger

            He doesn’t seem to use his size well enough and seems to sort of walk in to blockers and sit there. I saw a couple of crossing plays where the TE picked him and he just gave up on the play.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            he looks horrible to me.
            I’d take Desir in the 5th any day. Really fell of the SJB bandwagon when I watched more film of him and nebraska

          • Richard Colton

            I’m not getting too excited about him, mostly because I think teams will overvalue his height and straight line speed.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah he shouldn’t be that high, but some team looking for the next Sherman will take him there…if he doesn’t fall apart at the combine. To me he needs to be way more physical and tighten up his man D game. The major things he has going for him is sizes and his sick ability to know where the WR is going before they get there, and those are 2 great attributes. He also has pretty decent/good hip fluidity. But he’s still raw and needs development. I liked it better when he was a 5th rd projection and prolly would have been taken in the 4th.

          • Richard Colton

            Same here. I like him a lot with a 4th, love him with one of those two 5ths.

          • JofreyRice

            A more under the radar guy in that category that I’m interested in is Jimmy Jean, from UAB. 6’3″ former shooting guard, that only has a year of experience at the position. Did a solid job against Jordan Matthews, when he was shadowing him in coverage, in a game where he should have theoretically been totally mismatched.

            Matthews had a decent game against UAB, overall, but a lot of his yards came on screens. I’d love to see the Birds pick up a 6th or another 7th and add a developmental player like Jean. Also returned some kicks for them. Curious to see what he does at the combine.

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        • RIP illa

          You’re absolutely right. Ideally 3rd rd is the cutoff for corners that’ll amount to good solid players w/ a couple of years of development. Of course there are exceptions like Sherman and Shields, but I’d rather not chance it. I haven’t made up my mind about the CB class yet, but there’s not a lot of them that I like that are projected past the 3rd. So far McGill’s my cutoff…and I’m not a fan of him.

    • JofreyRice

      D’AT, Dri Archer, Tevin Reese–lots of opportunities in that 4th-6th range to add a mini speedster that can make the Eagles offensive nightmare even scarier for opposing D-coordinators.

      The Notre Dame TE, Niklas, measured in at 6’6 270–and he’s a pretty nifty receiver, too–just had a POS throwing him the ball. At that size, you could probably plug Niklas in at tackle, in a pinch. He’s probably end of first round/early 2nd, though.

  • GEAGLE

    Tuitt fans: kid lost 25lbs since College season, now he is down to 300lbs.
    ..
    Vikings want to keep Everson Griffin, but they may have to franchise him, which would be friggin odd..can they really pay 10mil for a year to a player who has never been a starter?…would love to see us add him.

    Monday is the big day for me…that’s when the OLBs and DEs perform at,the combine!
    ..
    Tuesday is for the DBs..

    Sunday will be interesting to see these stud WR prospects separate themselves…

    Speculation continues that the Jets will put Stephan Hill on the trading block closer to the draft…freak athlete, who may never pan out as a NFL WR, but the one thing is certain, he doesn’t belong in Marty’s west Coast offense…I wouldn’t wanna give up a 5th for him, but if they will take a 6th or a 7th, or better yet, a player we would end up cutting, it would be interesting to see what our player development coaches can turn him into…Hill is exactly the type of special athletes we should be taking Fliers on.

    • travis papa

      You were much higher on him like a month ago and I said him & Holmes would be lucky not to get cut. 7th rd at best for him or let him get cut & offer a low ball deal if not there’s plenty in the draft with more heart & skill. I was once high on him because of the combine & Thomas and Megatron. He should be well versed in blocking but there isn’t a lot of value there otherwise

      • aub32

        I thought we already had Hill on the PS. Though I think when he’s in Philly, he prefers to go by Momah.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t think it’s possible to be “high” on Hill…he is a LONGSHOT flier who you hope a change of scenery (Geno to FOles) can salvage his career and you get something out of him…the problem is I’m not sure if he plays ST and at what level, which is a prerequisite to sitting on our bench as a developmental player…

        I would expect the Jets to cut him, in which case I would like to see us trade them a player we will cut, these moves are made to basically get first dibs on a player that will hit the waiver wire, I don’t think anyone will ever be that happy about a Low probability flier. if we were to trade for Hill, doesn’t mean we pencil him in on the roster..

        I think it may be a good idea for Chip to trade a late pick to Oakland, taking a flier on Terrell Pryor who I think sucks..does that mean I’m high on him? No, it means that if we are going to take a late round flier on someone like Taj or Logan, that I prefer seeing what Chip could do with Pryor…

    • JofreyRice

      The fact that Mayock is so tepid on him makes me nervous. He is a Notre Dame homer, generally, IMO.

      • Adam

        If Tuitt fell to use in the 2nd round I think he would be a great 5 tech DE.

  • NickS1

    Salary cap is projected to be even higher than anticipated at 130mil, close to 4mil more than what was expected. Sadly, it helps the Cowboys out a bit. But, the added flexibility is paramount.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10487942/nfl-projected-raise-salary-cap-130-million

    • cliff henny

      wont help much, still have to restructure romo, witten, sandrick and carr. all they’ll be able to do is retain couple guys like durant and bernandeaux, who would have cleared 1.5m combined, probably orton too. still going to be bargin basement shopping the free agents, at best. jones has that cap so messed up, wont be able to make any quality additions outside drafting till 2017.

      • GEAGLE

        Restructure Scandrick? Didn’t they give him a new contract like a month ago? Lol

        • cliff henny

          yup. jones gets off on having cap look worse than it really is. he could have written scandricks and romo’s contracts differently, he writes in back end load years. it restructuring carr and witten’s that are bad. really hope he thinks cowboys are close, restructures ware and signs an expensive free agent. that would destroy next 3 yrs.

          • GEAGLE

            Long live jerry!!!

          • cliff henny

            what we want is ware restructured, that destroys cap. cutting ware, destroys ’14 defense, he actually played well and good reason why dallas got off to 5-3 start.

          • GEAGLE

            So we would rather see Ware restructured then cut?

          • cliff henny

            100%. but, eagles still have to play against him. healthy, he’s still a quality player. if restructured, his dead money and cap shyrocket in ’15 and ’16, then it’s guarenteed dallas cant extend dez and smith, or will have to do drastic moves to do so. but right now, dallas doesnt have cap space to sign either, dez get franchised, smith gets tranistion, and eats up all space (romo gets restructured again to do this making him guarenteed qb thru ’18) in ’15, no other offseason moves. then ’16, work out extensions, and no other offseason moves. besides draft, dallas in ’13 should be same guys dallas is relying on till ’17.

          • GEAGLE

            Gotcha…appreciate the Cap breakdown as always….I expect JP to get back to being the best LT in the game next year so they can keep Ware as far as I’m concerned…

            I could see dumb ass Jerry trying to add Jared Allen to play DE across from Ware…Dallas doesn’t build. Every year they think they are a few pieces away from a SB..so I could see them being dumb enough to sign a vet like Allen and think he will solve their problems, only to keep them stuck in the quicksand they have been in since Barry Switzer left

          • cliff henny

            that’s what i want, lee, scandrick, ware, romo, carr and witten restructured, jones overpaying a guy, that’ll get on the restructure bandwagon once couple other guys finally fall off. not being able to sign any mid level talent on team-like murray, guarenteed he’s walking, and dez and smith becoming an issue.
            .
            sure…dallas cap is like driving on ighway and seeing overturned 18 wheeler for me.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t even understand how their cap situation stays so under the radar…how is that not a national story/Joke like every day…it’s pure madness

      • RIP illa

        Thought if thy don’t pay Ware or get him to take less, that they’re right back in the mix…so 2 speak?

        • NickS1

          Releasing Ware saves them 8mil. Still would have a good bit of restructuring to do to get compliant.

          • RIP illa

            Ok thanks. That was going to be my next question.

          • cliff henny

            issue with cutting ware isnt in ’14, cap wise-i cant imagine defense without him- it’s ’15s cap. they need his salary to come off books next yr so they can extend smith and dez. if they move him this year, they wont have money next year, unless jones takes everything he gains and rolls it over, which if thats the case, you dont cut him. if they june 1st him, dallas would already have over 15m in dead money in ’15 cap.

          • RIP illa

            How can you not imagine that D w/o him when you basically saw that this last season…lol.

          • cliff henny

            oh, other guy getting extended is Lee. nothing funnier than extendig guys who ended season on IR requiring back and neck surgery.
            .
            right…but a full season without Ware. even dragging a blown quad, teams still gameplanned for him. i hate Dallas so, so very very much, but Ware is really good, even at half speed.

          • GEAGLE

            I’d cut bait with Lee…I don’t think that dude will ever stay healthy..of course, Dallas will just throw obscene amount of money at him :)

          • cliff henny

            they cant, have no one behind him. that’s the real problem with how jerry runs the cap, all the money goes into and then reshuffled by top 10 paid players, they have nothing to get mid level free agents to stopgap. have so mny holes on o and d lines, lbrs and secondary, cant afford to waste pick on mlbr

          • GEAGLE

            Lol have fun getting 6 games a year out of Lee. If they were smart they would cut someone and sign ravens Daryl Smith to run the defense for cheap veteran contract..

            Can’t wait to see Skins free agent moves…they just bought a 20millipn dollar candy bar on Deangello..Orakpo will get PAID and they will give a blank check to Aqib Talib…oh yeah, and RG3 sucks!!!

          • RIP illa

            Yeah I was just joking. Forgot about Lee. I don’t think I would even worry about his extension if I was good ol jerrah. I’d be looking for his replacement this draft.

          • NickS1

            If he’s off the books this year, and all that proration accelerates to ’14s cap, how is ’15 affected?

          • cliff henny

            your assuming they dont replace his money in ’15 with someone in ’14? if they cut him and leave all that open, then yes, it works…but if going to that, just hang onto him. but cutting him means they can have money to get free agents. if any quality, will need multi-year contract, and higher cap hits, cause dallas is so up against cap, cant front load.
            .
            it’s really great, there’s no correct answers. it’s which way is dallas not more screwed. and non of this is talking about the real elephant in the room…romo’s back

          • NickS1

            i don’t see your first paragraph because worrying about free agents is secondary to getting under cap in the first place. not sure about other people they can get rid of/restructure aside from Ware, I know there’s a few though. If they get under cap before doing anything with Ware, I agree with you completely. If they can’t get under unless they release Ware, then they aren’t worried about replacing any savings because there won’t be much, if any to spend. Depends how they get there, I guess. If they get to the point you’re talking about, where they can get under and then decide on what to do with Ware, I’m praying for a restructure. I love this conversation because it’s one of the few times I couldn’t give any less of a F about being wrong, because they’re screwed eight ways to Sunday regardless. Romo’s back. HA!

          • cliff henny

            Dallas can get under by not touching Ware. romo is already done, carr gives them alot, then witten lee scandrick-but these guys only clear 3m or so, least 2 probably all 3 need to be restructured to get under. of course, if ware is cut, can only restructure 2…but they havent added anything to the team. fact is, dallas window is closing. all that’s happening is the top10-15 guys salaries are increasing, the mid level talent cant be retained, they cant sign anyone of note, everyone is aging and getting hurt. while jerrah drafting for need and guys who can step in right away but have low celings.

          • NickS1

            Okay, that was where I was hung up, on whether or not they can get under w/o touching his contract. Although, not that Jerry does this, but looking at big picture, rolling over cap savings into 2015 from cutting Ware isn’t a bad idea given that they have to pay Dez and Murray.

          • cliff henny

            it would be, but that’s the reason ware isnt touched in ’14. it’s like forced savings for ’15 when cut then. jerry’s like a 16 yr old girl at the mall with money, cant give him any and expect him to sit on it.
            .
            murray is as good as gone, they’ll never have the money to sign him. i’ve already voted 125,957 times for both smith and dez to make pro bowl, jerry’s got 2 big checks to write there alone. they have no space, so cant get them new contracts early like eagles will will foles kendricks boykin…the whole thing has such a trickle down effect.

        • cliff henny

          he has to agree and he said he wouldnt. dallas has no leverage. sort of like nno-d, he has money coming from team and if cut, someone else will give him more. i’d pay ware a barwin contract. it’s either cut or restructure. even if ware takes less, he has some leverage, so it’d be somewhere between scheduled pay and restructure, it’s not like they’d get a ‘get out of jail free’ card. that’s fans wishfull thinking.

      • NickS1

        No, it won’t help much, but it’s better than nothing. If anything, it’ll free up space to sign that first round punter they draft at #16 to go along with Bailey’s sweet deal.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      just saw that. almost wish it wasn’t this year, we have plenty of room while other good teams didn’t. oh well.
      #signByrd

      • Richard Colton

        Does the four million extra mean we can sign Byrd for 9million per year and pretend we got him for 5? Or am I oversimplifying things?

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          uh, sure. unless OAK signs him for 13, thinking it’s 8

  • myeaglescantwin

    The only FreeAgent’s i am concerned with are kickers. Henry needs to be kicked to the curb.

    • myeaglescantwin

      that being said, of course Orakpo / Byrd / Ward would be graciously welcomed to the fold.

      • Maggie

        Is Orakpo still the same player since tearing up his pectoral and shoulder? what were his stats from2013?

  • GEAGLE

    Phylbin is doing a live press conference right now…lol this should be fun, where Is my popcorn? Hahaha this is awesome listening to him pledge that he will create a better work place lol hopefully Dion starts “bullying” his way out of Miami

  • Richard Colton

    I’m OK with DAT as high as the 4th. Depends on the combine. Chip knows his work ethic and game speed – so if he fails to deliver after all the hype around his 40 time, so much the better for us – may easily fall to the 5th.

    Just for fun (and since we’re talking about DAT), here’s my “2002 Redux” 2014 Draft:

    1st) Zack Martin (OT/OG)
    2nd) Xavier Su’a Filo (OG)
    3rd) Cyrus Kouandjio (OT)
    4th) DAT (RB)

    • GEAGLE

      I’d rather have DAT in the 4th, then Tavon Austin in round 1

      Liking Stanford’s Yankey and Baylors Cyril at OG. But the guard I really want plays or Oregon and won’t come out til next year

      • Richard Colton

        I like Yankey too. Cyril has great size, but I’d wonder if he’s athletic enough for the system. You know how Chip loves for the guards to pull.

        • GEAGLE

          I think he will have a nice combine..I liked him because I thought he was athletic..guess we find out in a few days

          • Richard Colton

            Maybe I’m just biased against Guards from Baylor

          • NickS1

            If he’s not a Canadian fireman we should at least be willing to give him a look.

        • RIP illa

          Hell No!!! Kid got abused, and I mean “Call The Hotline” abused for a solid week straight, by any and everybody he went against!!! So putting that aside…I haven’t seen anything fro him that would indicate he’s athletic enough for our OL style. And if he shows well at the combine, then I’m thinking workout warrior.

    • JofreyRice

      I like Kouandjio a lot, but I could actually see him gone by the time we pick. Not that he’d be my first pick, but he’s massive, and agile.

      Joel Bitoni, the Tackle from Nevada has “guard” size–6’4. He played a very nice game against Anthony Barr when they matched up in the first game of the season. I know it’s a FF (Reid) move, but I’m wondering if Stoutland/Kelly are going to want guys with lighter feet (Tackles) to bring in as developmental guards here, because of the amount of movement they demand from the linemen.

      • Richard Colton

        I could see that too. I was just trying to think of a scenario where the Birds go O-line with all three of their first three picks. Cyrus is a guy who could fall in the draft, but based on his size/relationship with Stoutland, may be too good to pass on in the third round. Hell, the Eagles may seriously consider him at #22.

        I haven’t really watched Bitoni – I’ll check him out.

  • NickS1

    Hawes to the Cavs for 2 second rounds, likely a player in return, too, since CLE is over cap.

    • GEAGLE

      Omg, I pray they give us Sergei Karasev
      .
      WTF, we couldn’t eat a bad contract and get a first? grrrr

      • NickS1

        Yeah, I kind of hope they pick up CJ Fair with one of those picks. I like his game.

        • GEAGLE

          Rumor is one of these 2nd will be traded in the ET deal…

          • cliff henny

            hinkie got his eyes on another lottery pick. staring right at charlottes Det pick, i bet

          • GEAGLE

            Oh you get bet there’s another shoe to drop!!!

          • NickS1

            As long he gets back a first then okay.

      • cliff henny

        Waiters?

        • GEAGLE

          No way…we won’t bring him back to Philly. He is already a nutcase….

          Might just be a bad contract..but someone has to come back in the deal because Clev is over the cap and they need to match H awes salary

          • cliff henny

            so hawes for a bad contract and 2 2nds that’ll be shipped out w/ turner…oh man…i hate to be that other team, hinkie is not putting lube on his fist, someone is getting worked

          • GEAGLE

            We got back Earl Clark(expiring) and Sims 7ft from Gtown, Hollis Thompsons ex team mate(gotta keep our stars happy lol)

          • cliff henny

            and it’s the griz and orlando’s 2nd. have 2 out of top 3 in 2nd round. those are great picks to have. gm’s are going to stop taking his calls…hinkie is no joke

          • GEAGLE

            That’s awesome…there will be some serious prospects that fall to the beginning of round two…you could end up seeing someone like Dekker, Glen Robifson, Mitch McGary, Fair,Tercewski, not to mention you can use 2nd to trade into round one with a team that doesn’t like the prospects left and doesnt have the cap space to take on a first round contract

          • NickS1

            Bleacher Report said we had 9 2nd round picks. Damn.

          • cliff henny

            best i’m following :
            ’14 2 1st, 5 2nds
            ’15 1 st , 2 2nds
            ’16 1st, 2 2nds
            the ‘`15 1st is sent off if they make playoffs, if not, it converts into ’15 and ’16 2nd.
            .
            plenty of cap and turner/young will get picks.

          • NickS1

            Okay, it didn’t state where the 2nds were, but that’s crazy any way you look at it. If he can make two packages of two 2nds to get two more firsts this year, and trade those to picks to get into top 7, that’d be sick…. I don’t even follow the NBA (prefer college, and haven’t had time for that this year) but I’m about to start following Hinkie. Guy is awesome.

          • cliff henny

            yup, hinkie has gotten me back into sixers

          • Adam

            Another trade on the way according to Gonzo

      • peteike

        Earl Clark is the guy they got from Cavs

    • Maggie

      Isn’t this board supposed to be about football? And the Combine which everybody couldn’t wait for?

  • Eagles4Life

    The offense would be even more potent bringing in DAT. You give yourself an option that you’re almost certain you’re putting points on the board with directly or indirectly. In the 4th or early 5th, you’re not getting that luxury too often. Pull the trigger.

    Please, for the love of God, can we get rid of Alex Henery? The last 2 home playoff games, we’ve lost with make-able field goals being a factor.

  • Chris Jones

    I would love for The birds to make a move on de’anthony Thomas in the 3rd or 5th rounds. We need to go big in the first round and draft either Gilbert, van noy, or Calvin Pryor. Any of these would be instant and large improvements to our pass coverage and pass rush.

  • OregonEagle

    I wish DAT the best but I think Chip and the Eagles will pass on him. He is fun to watch and a thrill a minute but his football IQ is suspect and he has a history of turning the ball over at inopportune times, neither of which sit well with Chip. DAT scored a lot of TD’s in his three years at Oregon but two at most would be considered game winners. Meanwhile he was a major contributor to two of Oregon’s biggest losses during Chip’s rein – LSU (two fumbles) and Stanford when he raced Mariota to the goal line instead of blocking for him.