Wake-Up Call: ‘Best Draft In Ten Years’

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NFL analyst Mike Mayock opened his conference call with reporters Tuesday by offering the following:

“From my perspective, this is the deepest and best draft class I’ve seen in probably 10 years. That’s been reinforced by most of the general managers and scouts that I’ve talked to throughout the league. I had one GM tell me the other day that having a top 20 pick this year is very similar to having a top-10 pick last year,” he said. “I think there is more depth. I think there are certain positions that are stacked.”

Including wide receiver. Mayock lists Clemson’s Sammy Watkins, Marqise Lee of USC, Texas A&M’s Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin of Florida State and LSU’s Jarvis Landry as his top five wideouts, but believes there are plenty of options out there.


"It's the best wide receiver draft I've seen in years," he said.

Mayock sees offensive tackle as another area of strength in this draft (led by Jake Matthews of Texas A&M, Greg Robinson of Auburn, Michigan's Taylor Lewan,  Zack Martin of Notre Dame and Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio), saying that you can go 3-4 rounds deep and still get a starting offensive tackle. On the surface the Eagles are in good shape at the tackle spot with Jason Peters and Lane Johnson serving as the bookends. But Peters is 32 years old and there is no clear heir apparent among the reserves (Michael Bamiro, Allen Barbre, Dennis Kelly and Matt Tobin). If there is a stud tackle to be had and at good value, I don't think Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman will be shy about pulling the trigger.

Most fans, of course, want to see the Eagles address the defensive side of the ball with the bulk of their picks. Mayock said there is a pass-rushing defensive end/outside linebacker that may fit the bill in the first round.

"The one guy that is kind of interesting, and it might be a little bit high, but Dee Ford of Auburn is kind of that edge rush guy," said Mayock. "He doesn't have as much length as you might like and he might be more comparable to Bruce Irvin, who Seattle took at 15 two years ago. He's a guy with some real edge burst and he's a guy that would fit what the Eagles do."

WHAT YOU MISSED

If there is "significant demand" for Riley Cooper, Sheil says the Eagles should move on.

Opinions vary on who the Eagles will select at No. 22. 

Jason Avant was "shocked" by some of what he read in the Wells Report.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Good read over at the Wall Street Journal on Brent Celek's offseason training program.

During the off-season, Mr. Celek focuses on flexibility and functional movements. Two to three days a week he attends yoga class or Pure Barre, which combines yoga, Pilates and light weights. "Sometimes I go with my mom and sister," he says.

He uses the Eagles training facility to get in a light weight workout. "Our training gym is literally next to my house so I can pop over and often find a workout partner," he says.

He says his new weight program emphasizes performing fewer reps at a higher intensity. He often does squats, pull-ups, dumbbell bench presses and seated rows. "I want to maintain versus add muscle," he says.

Phil Sheridan takes a closer look at Louisville safety Calvin Pryor.

 Mayock’s top-rated safety is 6-2, 208 pounds. Kiper describes Pryor as a “downhill safety who will fly up to the line of scrimmage and make plays. While he's got work to do in coverage, he's instinctive and athletic enough to get better there.”

NFL Network’s Nolan Nawrocki describes Pryor in words that should appeal to Eagles fans: “A big, physical, hammering run defender brings an enforcer mentality to the box and an intimidating, punishing presence to the back end. Is arguably the most violent hitter in this year's draft class and should make his presence felt readily in the pros.”

COMING UP

I'm heading to Indianapolis for the combine today. We'll have all angles covered for you.

  • NickS1

    The violent hitter appealed more ten years ago. Give me a sure tackler who’s great in coverage. Any legal, bone-jarring hits that may happen as part of sure tackling are added bonus.

    • EaglefaninAZ

      Spot on. Safety position isn’t what it used to be. As things move forward, colleges will start generating the more flexible version required for today’s pro game.

      • NickS1

        We hope. The coach of the best program over the last 5-7 years has his corners crab walking instead of turning and running, so, it’s not exactly a sure thing. But, I do hope you’re right.

        EDIT: I know I’m talking about a different position, but it’s just an example that coaches will teach what they please and play to their rules first, before catering to the rules of the NFL.

        • Andy124

          This is absolutely true at the individual level. But for a number of reasons, I believe that averaged across all the programs you’ll see exactly what AZ is predicting.

          • NickS1

            On average, yes, and I agree that in the long run it’ll go even more that way. Just noting that we’re not there yet, since we’re still getting guys who focus on the big hit instead of ballhawks. I think it’s important to note that we’re still getting the results of a generation that grew up watching and idolizing the big hit. That’ll phase out naturally over time as the game changes.

            The other thing that’s wrong with my example is that Saban’s smart enough to know that the game is won in the trenches, which is why his OL/DL seem to fare much better in the league the most other positions, except for maybe LB.

          • Andy124

            Agree with all of that.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I honestly still haven’t quite looked into what the difference between the crab walk & back pedal are. Guess I need to watch some ‘Bama games & pay attention to the corners. Unless someone would like to enlighten me with some wisdom.

          • JofreyRice

            Remember the way Asante kind of shuffled backwards, turned sideways? That’s the crab walk. Saban teaches that because his team employs so much off zone coverage underneath, and it allows for quicker breaks from the corners on short routes–one of the reasons, coupled with his ball skills and preparation, why Asante was able to pick so many passes.

            The backpedal is more the traditional short backward steps, with your back facing your own endzone, then turning your hips 180 degrees to run with the receiver. You can get away with worse athletes if you have them crab walk–harder to flip hips, but you need outstanding safety play, because it’s likely the corner isn’t going to be able to recover if the guy runs a 9 route.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Thanks. I know what a back pedal is but never heard of the crab walk until last season when experts were discussing ‘Bamas secondary prospects. I just never really looked it up or paid much attention to actually what it is, but knew it wasn’t traditional.

    • Andy124

      I’m greedy. I want it all. Give me a 6’3″ 230lb sure tackling, big hitting coverage specialist who’s a great leader on and off the field and is funny as hell on twitter. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

      • NickS1

        Just 6’3″? Why not convert some 6’6″ shooting guard/small forward from college?

        • Andy124

          Because Foles is already playing QB.

          Besides, those’re my hopes for our 4th round pick. I assume we can do better earlier in the draft.

          • NickS1

            There are some that may object to the association of crazy athlete with Foles.

          • Andy124

            Too understated?

          • NickS1

            Way too understated. I mean, he’s changing the way the position is played after it was just changed in his rookie year, and the year before by Cam, and even when it was changed by MV7.

          • Maggie

            And Russell Wilson?

    • Token

      Exactly. Gotta excel at coverage. If not you have a liability on the field. Weakens the whole thing.

      And from what I can tell Pryor isnt even a sure tackler. Likes to throw the shoulder around. I could see some of his hits bouncing off some NFL big boys.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        but you know who is a sure-tackler? …..joyner

        can’t stop, won’t stop, get it get it

        • GEAGLE

          Do you have to mention this 5’8 player we will never draft every day for like 6 months?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Far better safety than pryor, bucannon, or the other bums you bring up like malcolm jenkins and corey graham, safety cornerback

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I know the game is changing but I have to admit that I do miss those hits.

        But I guess I’ll just have to get over it, just like I got over the fact that I now say “y’all” in place of “yous”, thanks to my wife. That’s a tough pill to swallow being a kid that grew up in the streets of Philly…lol.

        • PaoliBulldog

          If it makes you feel any better, I moved from Charlotte to the Main Line just before third grade. I never learned to say “yous” but my drawl disappeared in six months.

    • Brandon Baltic

      I don’t think anyone is saying Pryor isn’t a sure tackler.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Deepest draft class in years… does this mean Chip and his college expertise and familiarity will draft gems rounds 1 – 5???
    One can only hope

    • GEAGLE

      Think we will have a spectacular draft,,,alot of BALLERS out there who had BIGTIME performances against Chip coached Oregon,..take Deonne Buchanon. Who picked Oregon off like 3 times.. Soon, Chip and our college coaches won’t know the college prospects as well as they do now, so we really have to take advantage of it while we can…of course Chip will
      Always have plenty of college connections who keep him informed about college prospects, but we have to hit on these next two drafts”"”

      • NickS1

        I hope Chip keeps on eye on college coaches as potential replacements to his staff to stay as in tune as possible with the college game it’s lesser known gems.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m sure he will….he is an outside the box thinker, always looking for the latest well the latest now a days comes from College..I get the impression that Chip will always look to stay ahead of the curve

    • myeaglescantwin

      Even more so, i hope he cleans up with a few studs that are Undrafted FA’s.
      or 7th round fliers, like Brown & Polk.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Bingo

  • GEAGLE

    Gotta trade out of round 1…it’s a must

    • Joe Thomas

      I kinda see Chip wanting to try and move up, before he moves back. But with Chip, you never know, Big Balls Kelly might pull a shocker.

      • GEAGLE

        Mack, Clowney, Evans, Barr….only prospects worth trading up for, and Barr is much more raw then the others. Like I said, I think Barr will fll into 15-20 range, the one team that scares me Is the Jets, a lot of potential,can Rex pass that up? I think the kids you can get in round 2 are every bit as good as what you can get at 22…

        • Joe Thomas

          Yea I dont know if Rex can pass up on a top D talent.

          • anon

            His job depends on finding a qb.

          • Richard Colton

            and its either Geno or he’s fired. Rex doesn’t get another three years in NY to find and groom another QB

          • Maggie

            If only Geno didn’t have MM doing the playcalling.

          • Richard Colton

            I think Geno can play better…but he needs to play A LOT better or we’ll be seeing Rex on the CBS pregame show

          • Andy124

            Well that’s cool. We’ll alway know what shoes the female cast members are wearing.

          • Richard Colton

            so creepy. That tattoo is the best

          • Andy124

            I hear he already has 2 QBs better than Nick Foles, so he should be pretty set. ;)

          • anon

            You mean the one that he has tatood on his arm?

        • Ark87

          make your list of top 10 prospects, period, watch for the one that disappoints at the combine, tape doesn’t lie, but he’ll drop to us anyway. That would be nice eh?

          It’s ridiculous how much pro-days and the combine scramble the draft, considering there is no football between now and the draft.

    • NickS1

      Thoughts on trading next year’s 2nd and/or 3rd for more mid round picks this year?

      • Andy124

        HATE HATE HATE trading future picks. I think it’s a horrible value deal. Plenty happy to do the opposite. I don’t consider a 1st round pick in year x to be significantly more valuable than a 1st round pick in year x+1. Talk about mortgaging the future.

        EDIT: Instant gratification is not the way to build.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I’m not a fan of trading future pics either….being short sited, trying to take short cuts, usually costs you in the long run. Rather Trade our second rounder for a first rounder next year then vice versa. Desire for instant gratification causes mistakes

          • Maggie

            Yet your more recent post states “Gotta trade out of round 1… it’s a MUST.” Make up your mind.

        • Ark87

          Agreed, the team evolves, the NFL meta evolves, the scheme evolves, players pan out or don’t, vet’s fall off. You need the ammo every year to keep fluid enough to meet the challenges of the NFL.

        • anon

          You feel the same about money? If so let’s talk offline.

          EDIT: If you think you’re going to be significantly better next year I’d be fine trading picks under the right situation.

          • Andy124

            I do feel that way about money. I also know to factor in interest rates and expected ROI. But in genreal, I’m highly risk averse, particularly with money.

          • anon

            Inflation is a thing too. Trading picks is usually a symptom of reaching for players which often is a mistake — I don’t see anything wrong with it under the right circumstances. .

          • Andy124

            Under the right circumstances. Naturally.

          • Richard Colton

            I’m OK with it. I think teams overvalue draft picks – so when we have the chance to trade for an established young player for draft pics, I’m happy

          • Ark87

            wait are we comparing dollars to draft picks? Dollars now is worth more than dollars down the road because you can take dollars now to make more dollars down the road.

            Draft picks are not near as fluid. Once converted to players, it is not easy to convert back into draft picks, and almost always at a depreciated value (Middle round QB’s are the most common exception, but far from a sure thing). Now if you believe that assets you can acquire now are worth more than the assets you can acquire down the road….then go for it I guess. It’s impossible to project the value of those picks or the assets you will obtain with them next year, so unless you’re a gambling man (I’m not, and I definitely don’t get a kick out of watching others gamble, in this case, Howie gambling with my favorite team’s future), I prefer to just leave the years disjoint.

        • NickS1

          I don’t disagree. Reason I asked is because this is widely being hyped as the deepest class in years, and a lot of underclassmen are coming out, appearing to make it stacked. I wouldn’t trade the first next year, because you need it, I think. I wouldn’t be upset about trading a 2nd or a 3rd (both is too much) in order to get another pick or two in this very deep class. A lot of picks in the class can stock the cupboards pretty well, while giving up only a second or third next year doesn’t kill you. Still have the 1st. Also, with having some players to pay next year, it’s not horrible to think about minimizing the cap investment in next year’s draft class. I’m sure there’s plenty of counter-arguments, and I don’t disagree it’s instant grat to an extent, but I think calling the trading of one pick from next “mortgaging the future” is a little excessive.

          • Andy124

            Mortaging the future comes off too harsh for sure. But we’d be trading future assets with greater value in exchange for current assets with lesser value, thus the phrase.

          • NickS1

            “But we’d be trading future assets with greater value in exchange for current assets with lesser value”….. but would we be? It’s the great unknown, so such absolutes are misleading. I.e.: we trade next year’s 2nd and get a 3rd this year, and take one of the many WRs who’s an underclassman. Had this kid stayed, he may have parlayed that extra year into a first round draft status, or 2nd. Could be a bum, too. Who knows? That’s the point. But in a class being regarded as the deepest at WR, and in general, in years, I think the risk is mitigated some, with the return, potentially the same or greater. Meanwhile, if he does pan out, that 3rd round kid is getting paid less than had he been a 2nd or 1st next year.

          • Andy124

            but would we be? It’s the great unknown, so such absolutes are misleading.

            By that logic, all draft picks are equal because any early pick can bust and any late pick can boom. You have to play the odds and you have to apply some value to this year vs. next. Call it inflation or whatever. I don’t put a very high value on that. More than zero for sure, but still small.

            I also don’t think you can put too much weight in to strength of draft this year vs. next. I think you make that kind of decision based on a specific player that becomes available, where you value you him, and what it will cost to get him. If you value next year’s 3rd less than this player available in the 4th round that you have a high second round grade on, well, there you go.

          • NickS1

            We both know all picks aren’t equal, that’s not what I was saying. I was trying to get to the value piece in your second paragraph, it was just taking me a while. You certainly don’t make the trade before draft day. We can agree to disagree about strength and depth of draft factoring in to some degree, though. I’m more likely to pull the trigger on a trade if my scouts tell me that my second or third round pick next year wouldn’t likely net me the same value I can get by trading it now.

          • Andy124

            It’d be interesting to see a study that compares the real-world success of draft classes labeled as strong vs. all others. My threory is that there’d be no significant correlation between pre-draft labels of overall strength of class and real-world success. But it’s something that can be measured in meaningful ways and proven one way or the other. Without that, all we really have are our guesses.

          • NickS1

            You’re probably right that such a study would show no significant correlation. I think something that might prove more useful is seeing how FOs that are considered to be strong talent evaluators perform in drafts labeled as strong or deep in talent as opposed to top heavy drafts or just plain weak drafts. That’s really what matters at the end of the day. And if our FO (which lately appears to be improving significantly in talent evaluation since the Reid days) evaluates this class the same as what appears to be the consensus, then they shouldn’t be hesitant in acquiring more picks however they deem fit. And since these talent evaluators likely have an eye on next year’s class as well, I’d like to think that the FO would take such intel into consideration when appraising the value of a pick in the 2nd or 3rd of next year vs having an additional 3rd or 4th this year.

          • Andy124

            Makes some sense to limit the sample to “strong” FO’s. Of course, that introduces selection bias.

            So let’s say that sample did in fact end up with a high correlation of “strong draft class projections” to “strong draft class performance”, I’d still be incredibly skeptical of any future draft class strength evaluations. Never know what underclassmen are coming out or how guys are going to perform their senior years. I wouldn’t want them to even try to make that evaluation ahead of time. If they felt the urge to compare current year draft strength to future year, I think they’d have to assume future year strength to be some baseline average.

  • Tom W

    Unload some dead weight for more picks ….even 5ths and 6ths have value

    • JofreyRice

      If you can turn Brandon Graham into D’AT, Colt Lyerla, Dri Archer, or Kain Colter, you gotta do it. I think 5th-6th is reasonable for Brandon, provided a 4-3 team needs an end for the rotation, or low level starter.

      • NickS1

        Could Seattle, Carolina, or Cincy be that team?

        • JofreyRice

          if Cincy loses Michael Johnson, probably. Ditto with Seattle and Avril/Bennett. I think Graham could do a lot of the things Bennett does for them–a little shorter, but probably similar. With a bunch of talent on their rosters, their late round picks probably have a tough time making the roster–maybe they prefer to take a guy they know can play as a competent backup, rather than carry a guy to develop on the 53.

      • Tom W

        How bout thinking even farther outside the box … Fat Andy is going to lose his ltackle and probably a stud guard … how much would he pay for TOdd H. How bout Celek either? Andy has no te after Fasano flopped and Kelce was too raw and hurt. I think either could fetch a 4th or 5th. And Avant for a 6th?
        More importantly, maybe we could package our 2d and graham to 4-3 team and move up 10-15 spots in the second rd. At this point I would take anything for him.

        • GEAGLE

          Trading Todd doesn’t really get you an extra pick, becuse it ensures us hVing to draft someone like Cyril Richardson or the Yankey kid from Stanford…so while we would be gaining a pick, we would be gaining a hole that needs filling, which makes it a wash…rather have Todd in year two back from injury, then a rookie…I love Oregons Hironiss Grasu, so I’m hoping we can wait a year for our young guard

          • NickS1

            I don’t disagree, but the forcing us to get younger at the position isn’t a bad thing, either. If any of our over-30 OL go, I’d prefer it’d be him first.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t think there is a single OL on our roster that doesn’t have ATleast two good years left in them….we certainly need to start grooming eventual replacements, but keeping Todd, means that replacement can wait til like round 5..trading Todd, mean you better draft a Guard high that you can plug into the lineup on day one,,,
            ,,,
            And a playoff team starting a rookie guard next to sophmore Lane is a horrible idea!!! Does anyone even factor continuity, chemistry, getting comfortable in a scheme into their opinions? ….I have NO interest in taking two steps back to eventualy take 3 steps forward. I want to build off of this past year, to do that, you don’t go Focking with the OL, you keep the starters together and start growing eventual emplacements on y our bench!!

          • Tom W

            why wouldn’t you play barbre at guard for a year and groom the 5th round guard from Alabama or Florida who I like or Dozier Dennard if he drops … its not like Todd’s performance this year was stellar …. while he may be better this year I don’t think Barbre would be any worse then him last year plus you get an extra 4th and grab a potential future starter at corner …

          • GEAGLE

            If Todd was bad all year, I may agree….put he played drastically better the second half of the season, which means that there is a good chance a lot ot his early struggles were from getting acclimated to a new position, shaking the rust off a serious injury, playing next to a raw rookie who made his share of mistakes…

            If his second half of the season wasn’t so much better then his first half, I would be more inclined to Agee…why would I want Barbre playing RG? When the hell have you ever seen Barbre play RG? I would much rather keep Todd for the year, draft and start grooming his replacement….and you know when I’ll want to replace Todd? When a young OG out plays him in camp. When a young OG is playing so well that we can not continue to justify keeping him on the bench…when replacing Todd is actually an upgrade, not a case of taking two steps back to hopefully take 3 steps forward later
            ..
            This convo is a waste anyway…there is no shot in hell that Chip is considering making changes to our starting line this year…so we can agree to disagree, but it won’t matter because Todd will be here this season..Take it to the bank

          • GEAGLE

            When the hell have you ever seen Barbre play RG? Just curious

          • Maggie

            The Eagles have taken a highly regarded tackle, moved him to the other side and tried to make him a guard, AND tried to force a different scheme on this raw rookie. Yet every single person on this board, and others, ripped him to shreds. When did you change your tune this time?

          • NickS1

            If he takes a few games to gel with the line, so be it. We are growing replacements on our bench, and Barbre could likely step in and play at a comparable level to what we got from Todd this past season. He was average to very slightly above average on his good days. So I’d be fine with Barbre for a year.

        • JofreyRice

          I didn’t think Herremans had a great season, but you’d be cool with moving on to Barbre? I think you’d absolutely have to draft an OL in rounds 2-5.

          I’d let Celek go, and get a TE in the draft, if they could get fair value; say a 4th or 5th. Ertz and Lyerla would be a nice complement.

          • GEAGLE

            Only way I’m ok with losing Celek is if we are getting Fiedorowicz or Lyeria. get one of those two and I’ll help Celek pack

          • anon

            I don’t understand the Lyeria hype — is it just measurables?

          • GEAGLE

            this time last year, I was talking about drafting Lyeria in round 2 of the 2014 draft….if I viewed him as a round two talent, how can I not want to take a round 6 to UDFA flier on him? You can’t draft him early, because there is a chance you have to end up cutting him, but the kid is a serious talent, and you ain’t finding talent like that in round 6 too often. Kyle Long had issues, and it seems like he was Able to overcome it…If Chip can keep this kid focused and out of trouble we would be getting a serious late round steal….he is that rare TE who is a freak athletic pass catching caveman who can also block. Perfect compliment to Ertz

          • Richard Colton

            Or Ebron at #22, should he fall

          • Token

            Ive seen Lyerla mentioned a few times. What am I missing? Off the field issues. Never produced much on the field.

            Is this purely a chance your taking on his measurables? Is he even gonna get drafted? Id think hes a 6th-UDFA.

          • anon

            That’s what i’m saying. He dropped out of Oregon, when Kelly was the coach — seems opposite of the type of players Kelly wants.

          • Token

            Got drug problems too. Maybe Jason Avant could set him straight.

          • anon

            Half the people on here want him cut so I don’t see that happening.

          • JofreyRice

            who doesn’t have drug problems in this country? Just needs to learn how to handle his coke.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            UDFA or nothing. no point wasting a pick on that, there are other good TEs (if they want) in 5th or 6th who aren’t likely to blow (literally) their signing bonus in a week

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Might not even be a week with as many “outlets” as he’d have in comparison to the Oregon campus. No but seriously, I’m with you. I’m not wasting a pick in a draft that’ll still have players well into the late rounds on a guy with issues that serious.

          • JofreyRice

            It’s really about upside. He’s very athletic and has pretty nice size. Chip used him as a running back on some plays, but he was all over their formation. Kind of like what we hoped James Casey was going to be, but bigger, and faster. I thought he was a better blocker than you can usually expect from those “finesse” TE’s, seems to enjoy mauling guys in the second level.

        • Richard Colton

          Celek for a 4th rounder? I though Graham for a 5th was wishful thinking. That’s pie-in-the-sky.

          Tell you what – if that happens, I’ll happily drive him to the airport. His ex-wife can stay at my place.

  • Token

    “A big, physical, hammering run defender brings an enforcer mentality to the box and an intimidating, punishing presence to the back end. Is arguably the most violent hitter in this year’s draft class and should make his presence felt readily in the pros.”

    “he’s got work to do in coverage”

    That makes me want him even less. Kinda what I thought he was. Shoulder thrower that doesnt cover very well. Just not what im looking for in todays game. Could be the next Brandon Meriweather.

    I feel like both safeties are getting pushed into the first round just because teams need safeties. Im not seeing either as a first round prospect.

    • NickS1

      Both? Who’s the other?

      • Token

        Dix.

        • NickS1

          That’s right…. Earlier mornings than usual are making me slip.

  • JofreyRice

    I’d be happy with Dee Ford, but I’m not sure he fits the physical dimensions they want.

    • Tom W

      May be too short and stubby for Chip’s liking as you say … his combine could push him over the top if its anywhere near von miller

    • Jerry Pomroy

      See I don’t think Ford fits either. Mayock said he fits what we like to do, but it seems he’s looking at what we have in Cole & Graham & accepted that as the rule not the exception. We just couldn’t justify cutting these guys in place of adding that longer rangey athletic type speed guy. I think given what we now know as far as the Eagles interest in Dion Jordan last year & what Miami apparently knew as well when they leapfrogged us, speaks to what they want, as opposed to settling for what we had and had to settle for in hopes that we could get by until we could get the type of player we wanted at rush WOLB.

      People keep looking at these smaller DEs & saying, yeah that’s the guy that I want, he’s a pass rusher! But I think they forget that we now use an odd man (3-4) front. Those guys that are smaller and used to sticking their hand in the dirt for leverage and push at the snap don’t necessarily automatically do well as stand-up 3-4 OLBs. Especially on the weak side where they’re going up against the opposing LTs. A stand-up rush LB in today’s NFL either needs to be able to engage & disengage quickly with a good combo of speed & hand technique or purely beat the LT with a combo of speed & bend. The only time they engage & hold is when they’re containing or setting the edge on run plays. Even on run plays these guys are typically the ones to crash in on the ball carrier in hopes to get a TFL in the backfield.

      • GEAGLE

        Exactly why I think Marcus smith is the target and not Ford

        • Richard Colton

          Ford can flat out rush from the edge, he isn’t stiff like some of the other 4-3 DEs. He lacks Kony’s height, and yes, that may move him down Howie’s board, but I’m convinced he’s a 3-4 OLB.

          • GEAGLE

            I am convinced he is an OLB as well, I just think Marcus is the perfect player to play across Barwin. I damn sure won’t be complaining if I hear Dee Fords name called…I just like Marcus a little more….I think he has everything Dee has, but also has the body and length we like…
            ..
            I’m friggin dying to see how these kids stack up against each other athletically at the combine:
            Mack
            Barr
            KVN
            Ford
            Marcus
            Attaboy
            Kony…

          • Richard Colton

            Attachou needs to put up legendary numbers at the combine – considering how he was erased at the Senior Bowl. Otherwise I see him falling to the end of the 2nd, possibly the 3rd

          • GEAGLE

            GOOD!!!! Hope he falls all the way to our pick in round 3 lol
            Take KVN in 2, attaboy in 3 lol

          • Richard Colton

            I’d take him in the 2nd. Here’s how I’m hoping the board shapes up after the combine this week:

            #22) WR Evans (mediocre interview and 40 time)
            2nd) OLB Attaochou (average 3 cone drill)
            3rd) ILB Christian Jones (Leapfrogged by other LB prospects)
            4th) CB Terrance Mitchell (mostly so I can steal “Boykin Zone” from the people on this board)

          • GEAGLE

            No complaints…although I’d switch Marcus with attaboy, but the Nigerian certainly works for me lol Boykin zone is my term ;)

          • Andy124

            OR, At-At rocks the combine Mamula style and helps Barr fall to us at 22.

          • GEAGLE

            Think there is a better chance Dee Ford pushed Barr back then attaboy, but I def feel your flow, naughty by nature style

          • Andy124

            I didn’t say that well. I was thinking along the lines of a team saying, “We don’t have to draft Barr in the first because we’re drafting At-At in the second”, as opposed to At-At leapfrogging Barr.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh gotcha….yeah there are quite a few positions that are deep like that..I’m hoping we see more then one corner in the 11-20 range. Teams drafting 11-20 have some serious issues in the trenches, OTs will be coming off the board in that range, I’m hoping some of these DTs have impressive combines and we see guys like Donald, Jernigan, Nix push Barr down a few notches.

          • Tom W

            He wasn’t asked to rush at the senior bowl and played more inside and in coverage. His strengths are getting to the qb.

          • Richard Colton

            and he played like a non-factor. we know Chip loves versatility, but you’ve had me drinking the Attaochu kool aid for a month now Tom.

          • Tom W

            You’re right he did not jump out during the game. Hopefully that misuse of him during the Senior Bowl drops his value and he stays in the second round (where most people including rob rang and jeremiah) have him going … I expect a strong combine from him though. Unfortunately, Josh Norris has him as a top 30 talent who will go in top 50. Hope he or Marcus Smith makes it to 54 if we don’t take dee ford in rd 1. Otherwise we may not end up getting our edge rusher till rd 3 … and there we are looking at lesser quality olbs.

          • JofreyRice

            I haven’t studied all his games, but from what’s available on youtube, and what I saw at the Senior Bowl, that looks about right. Right now, he doesn’t have that blend of burst/bend/balance that you’re looking for in a 1st round edge player. I think he could be solid, but I don’t think he’s even in Dee Ford’s zipcode in that category.

            Maybe he makes more sense because of the better physical dimensions and the likelihood that Trent Cole is the starter at ROLB no matter what, but I’d hope they take a flyer on someone else, too, a little later (Like maybe the Tyler Starr kid). They really gotta do what they can to get more 4th or 5th rounders. See what you can get for Casey Matthews and a Papa John’s coupon, anything!

          • GEAGLE

            Watching Morgan Moses treat attaboy like a child worried me a bit. Don’t get me wrong, I’d still be pumped if we drafted him, just like I would be happy to see us draft Ford, I just prefer Marcus…I think he can grow into a really well rounded stud. Ford has bigger hands, but only by like half an inch…

          • JofreyRice

            People really jumped off the Barr bandwagon, but I think there is a good chance they jump back on after the combine. I think he’ll run in the mid 4.5′s at a legit 245. My concern for him will be his height, I don’t think he’s 6’4. I think it’s going to be more like 6’2 and a half. We’ll see though.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh I def don’t think he is 6’4 either…and he certainly could sky rocket again after the combine…
            ..
            But the one saving grace for us Barr fans is! that this is a nice crop of edge rushers, and many of them are closer to being NFL game ready then him. Last year, Raw guys like Dion and Ziggy didn’t have similar talents who were NFL ready to compete with…if you didn’t like Dion because he was too raw, your next choice was the equally raw Ziggy…It also helps that there are a bunch of 4-3 defenses outside the top 10 which leads me to believe Kony comes off the board first…it also really helps that most of the teams drafting 10-20 have some SERIOUS issues on Oline which coincides with the strength of this draft class…we could see an Oline feeding frenzy in the 11-20 range…

            The kid is as talented of an athlete as we can ever hope to find, but he will require patience and some good coaching. Too deep of a draft to be giving up major picks moving up to get him, but who knows, maybe we get lucky….if we were to give up serious value to go up and get someone, I would want Khalil Mack, NFL ready from day 1

          • Tom W

            How are you comparing Marcus Smith and Atta-boy … I think Atta-boy has alot more production in college and wasn’t on as strong of defense. Thought Marcus was a tad stiffer. Also think atta-boy may test better. Think both fit better than ford but I really hope ford doesnt end up being the next von miller. If he is, and we pass, I’m gonna be pissed. reason why I’d rather have ford and cjones or say kvn and marcus smith. but still be happy w either.

      • JofreyRice

        I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I think Dee Ford has the best combo of speed/bend in this draft; especially the bend part. I like Barr better, because I think he shows a little more strength, and a knack for looping inside, but I think Ford’s going to get it done rushing the passer in the NFL.

        But like you said, they’re drafting a guy based on how they want the team to look going forward. You’d think that means size.

        Re: Dion Jordan–Louis Riddick, former scout, was saying that he thinks Jordan will be very available. Would you be cool with trading our #1 pick for him, straight up? Essentially, it would be like drafting him at #22 instead of where he went at 3. I have to say, that I think if he had come out this year–with the strength of this class–that’s probably more where he would have ended up, in that Kony Ealy/Kyle Van Noy area.

  • Joe Thomas

    I remember when the ’99 draft class was considered the best QB draft since ’83. We all know how that turned out, luckily we got the best and only real star QB of the bunch.

    • Andy124

      Definitely got the best of the bunch.

      Dante did have 3 really good years though, and 1 was just plain special. Granted, most of that was due to his receiving corps, but he did his part well those years.

      I’m a little biased, that’s the guy I wanted going in to that draft. Always a sucker for a high completion %. Think he completed over 70% at UCF.

      • Joe Thomas

        Yea Dante was solid. If he didn’t wreck his knee, he probably would of had a solid career.

        • peteike

          little hands Dante, he was constantly strip sacked and his skill level was sliding fast imo. Then again, it was prob bad teams etc. I think he may have had a longer career as a backup then as a starter later on.

    • Richard Colton

      “best QB draft since ’83″ – the hardest position to evaluate and predict future success. Not to mention a position that’s most consistently over drafted (and with good reason).

      I know a lot of us have been upset that the Eagles only have 7 picks in a loaded draft, each near the end of the end of the round. I look at it wine-glass-half-full. We found our QB – so that’s like having an extra 1st in this draft for free.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Yeah, but that still doesn’t make me wish we had a pick higher in the say the 2nd or 3rd. Picking at the end of the rounds always makes me feel like we’re picking through the trash of what’s left and others didn’t want. Doesn’t matter if it’s a deep draft, still get that feeling. Although I think this draft is the defining draft for this regime. We did well in ’12 & ’13 with relatively high picks, but it’s been our 3rd-4ths that have really paid off. Hoping that lends to picking towards the bottom being a huge success this year.

      • NickS1

        “Wine glass half full” …. nice.

        • Maggie

          Is that like saying “Wine glass” is a half-wit?

        • Andy124

          Man, none of my wine glasses type. All they do is make me feel good when they go from full to empty, which is kind of better I guess.

      • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

        I’ll drink to that.

  • Tom W

    Pittsburgh gm said best draft class he has seen in 30 yrs

    • NickS1

      He’ll still miss on almost all of his picks in the first and second round. They’re recent history of early round misses is just awful.

      • GEAGLE

        Read a rumor that Pitt is letting Sanders walk and they promised Big Ben they would get him a big pass catcher in the draft. Don’t remember who said this, but rotoworld reported it about 3 days ago

        • Token

          Steeler fans have been telling themselves for 3 years that this was the season Sanders would break out. Kid just isnt that good.

          Would they take a WR in the 1st? That team seems to be kind of a mess. Cap issues. Aging.

  • Token

    Most overlooked player in the draft?

    Its your lucky day Geagle.

    Russ Lande says its Kyle Van Noy.

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67926876/byu-linebacker-kyle-van-noy-possible-first-round-pick-in-nfl-draft

    • Jerry Pomroy

      See I agree with Lande’s assessment of KVN. I think he’s overlooked on his pass rush ability because he’s so damn good in coverage & a lot of people see him for 2013 & not his entire BYU career. In 2012 he posted 53 total tackles, 22 TFL, 13 sacks & 8 QB hurries. For his college tenure he’s got 226 total tackles, 62 TFL, 26 sacks & 32 QB hurries. That’s being a part time pass rusher off the edge.

      Yeah he’s not great when you run at his side, but those are the downs that I would flip he and Barwin, with KVN on the short hash side or throw him in the middle to shoot in and crash on a run blitz. The beauty with having a player like him is that you can do just that with him (move him around) and he will make plays regardless.

      I could see us drafting him & setting how he does being used at WOLB, but also moving him around some to fully utilize him. If he pans out there, you’ve got your rush LB. If he doesn’t hold up primarily at WOLB, he’s a sure fire fit to replace Ryans after next season.

      • JofreyRice

        That sounds good, but I don’t want him in the first round.

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t worry, KVN will appeal to our coaches…count on it!

    • JofreyRice

      He definitely marches to the beat of his own drummer. I think Lande called Ryan Nassib the #1 overall player in last year’s draft. Interesting read, though, and Lande has been right quite a few times, as well. I believe he was onto Marc Bulger before anyone else, and Bulger had a solid NFL career.

  • GEAGLE

    Walterfootbakl extended his mock to round 4. latest:
    1) haha Clinton Dix Safety
    2) OLB from Arizona st…this would piss me off!!!
    3) Deone Buchanon Safety
    4) Terrence Mitchell CB

    I’m a defensive guy, so I probably wouldn’t complain, but drafting the kid from Arizona ST in round 2 when Marcus Smith wasn’t drafted til first pick in the 3rd would really piss me off. But a draft like this would sure solidify our secondary…but even a diehard defensive guy like me, doesn’t think it’s a good idea to pass on this type of WR talent when you have an offensive guru and a pocket passer…

    • Tom W

      Crawford is a bit too short for my liking ..he is only 6 1 …but strong as an ox … played fullback early in college …. more likely better suited for ilb thumper for height is an issue. We won’t draft him.

      • GEAGLE

        I would NOT be happy with that pick, especially considering who was still on the board…he has Terence Mitchell dropping to the Boykin zone, which would be perfect. I have a feeling I’m going to sweat that pick like I was sweating Boykin during the 2012 draft

      • JofreyRice

        Reminds me a little of Kendricks. Supposedly is going to test very well. I think ASU’s defensive coordinator said he was the best athlete on the entire team.

        • GEAGLE

          Rather have will sutton

    • Michael Deen

      What do you think of his mock drafts? Every time I read them it seems he extolls positive info for the player he projects to all teams, yet when he gets to the Birds it’s rarely anything about the player – more about how Horrible the Eagles defense was last year without ever saying anything about the player he projects for them. He doesn’t even say anything about Dix in his little bio – just how the Eagles secondary sucked and need help. Seems lazy to me…

      • GEAGLE

        I think he is an idiot…his one redeeming quality is that he updates it every single week, so it keeps me busy…another reason that keeps me following him is Benny Logan, I think Walter knows someone on the Eagles or LSU…no one thought we would draft Logan last year with all those big NT prospects available in a year we were transitioning to a 3-4..he changes his mock every week, yet for MONTHS he had us drafting Logan in the 3rd, and I laughed at him and talked shit everyweek….then we en up drafting Logan in the 3rd…he had to have known someone to get that pick right..so as worthless as he is, he apparently gets some decent intel every once in a while…curious to see if there is some eagles-LSU connection going forward

    • cliff henny

      wow, i would hate that draft. 3 and 4 sound solid, but there’s no way 1 and 2 could be sold to me over other options. not to mention if doubling up a position in this draft, it better be WR

      • GEAGLE

        Agreed!! Change the first and second round picks and that could be a damn good draft..

        It finally dawned on me who Odell Beckham junior compares to….Randall Colb (props to Steuber)

        • cliff henny

          plus, drafting safety in 1st probably means eagles didnt address it in free agency.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup, which I don’t even see how that could be possible

          • cliff henny

            i’ll pay attention if he starts mocking lsu guys. landry in 2nd, barron in 5th would be great.
            .
            more fun note…was enjoyable watching ET’s last game. if they can trade all 3, 6ers might not win another game.

          • GEAGLE

            Bucs lost…which was glorious…this is an important stretch of games, because we play all the crappy teams. If we can lose another 7 games in a row, we would be siting pretty…last night better be the last time I see ET and Hawes in a sixers jersey. Hopefully Thad is traded too, because we won’t just give him away. If Thad is traded it will mean we got good compensation and we will be sure to not win another game

          • cliff henny

            charlotte’s playing hard ball on Turner. turner for 1st and POS contract has to get done. think alot of these rumors are ignoring sixers have 11m-12m they can eat up. worst case they can be a salary dump destination in a 3-way, can shove turner in there, that’s worth a 1st. do think hawes is worth a 1st, or young unproven guy. no clue what’s going on with Young.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t think ET and hawes are good enough to get you a first in this draft. But taking back a bad contract AND getting Turner or Hawes for a playoff run will 100% get us a late first round pick…

            No idea what happens with Thad, but I would be shocked if we didn’t trade ET and Hawes for two first round picks while taking back two bad contracts? I would be really surprised…I think the only QUESTION is will they both be 2014 first round picks? And can Hinkie also get a team to include a young player in the deal

          • cliff henny

            sixers are 11m under floor, either they eat contracts or send it out to players…so why wouldnt they eat 12-14m? it’s money spent one way or another. right? all the proposed trades are trying to make it work out with even money. not taking into consideration sixers can really soak up some money.
            .
            almost like to have turner back, would give my sixer viewing more pleasure, since team would be horrible without hawes and young. can root for young guys, root and against turner and for loses.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah the trade rumors are ridiculous…take the Asik trade, people need to be HIGH if they think Hinkie will add someone who helps us rebound and defend the rim, when we are trying to lose as many games as possible…it’s just a silly nonsense rumor. if we are involved in the Asik trade, it would be as a 3rd team facilitator..

            Hinkie is a silent assassin. Real rumors will NEVER be leaked while Hinkie is here..
            ..
            We will def eat contracts…why would we want to give our scabs more money.
            ..
            If for some strange reason we can’t trade Hawes or ET, I think it would be funny to force them to play 48minutes a night for the rest of the year

          • cliff henny

            kwami could make another million this year. F U Doug Collins, F U!!!

          • GEAGLE

            DC the Charlatan

    • Guest

      Are you a defensive guy?

  • GEAGLE

    Wonder if we will get anything out of our returning ACL issues

    1) Jason Phillips woulda been a big help on ST this year
    ..
    2) I can’t even imagine what Benn would have done in this offense..

    3) really dissapointed that I didn’t get to see what Hunt could do as an OLB. Good chance he wouldn’t have been the answer, but I would have rather seen what he could do then watch Rivhard Colton’s lover, Casey Mathews

    Funny, how everyone expects Maclin to have NO issues recovering from two ACL injuries on the same knee, yet those same people expect Rejus Benn to be done. Curious to see how those two bounce back, wonder who is further ahead in their Rehab…Benn isn’t a lock to be on the roster! but he isn’t a lock to be cut either. he will get his chance to battle for a spot in Camp, but he would be a serious long shot. Shame, because he could have had a really big year as a WR, while probably being our best return man…

    • Token

      Benn sucks. Hes never been a good player. Figured you’d be off him by now.

      • anon

        Yeah i don’t understand why people are expecting anything from him. He wasn’t good on the Bucs a team that needs a no. 2, and didn’t really flash before tearing the ACL.

        Phillips is done, he couldn’t make it through TC on those knees. It wasn’t an ACL injury that did him in.

        • GEAGLE

          Who is expecting anything from him?

        • Token

          I dont think anyone really is except this guy. Its because he thought he was a pro bowl caliber player ready to break out. So hes having a hard time letting him go.

          • Andy124

            Expecting and hoping are completely different. I think I’m still a little hung up on seeing him make the PSU secondary look like a bunch of little kids trying, and failing, to defend against their dad in a back yard game of football.

          • GEAGLE

            We don’t have to hope or expect anything..he is under contract. If he is healthy he will get his chance to battle his way onto the team in camp. If he is done, we will cut him I like we did with Kenny Phillips. No sweat off our backs…but it’s certainly not a case of, we can pencil Benn in so we don’t need a WR…but no one looks at it that way anyway…he is simply a Flier..

          • Token

            Many players make PSU look bad.

            But theres something to that kind of thing. People still think Kenny Britt is good because he beat up the Eagles one time years ago.

          • Andy124

            Fortunately, the ones that occasionally make us look bad don’t play for PSU. Not every program can say that. :)

    • Andy124

      I know you’re not a fan of BGN, but they just started a pretty cool series where they’re going to follow Benn around all off-season. Might want to check it out. I thought it was a good read.

      • GEAGLE

        Thanks…for the heads up. I’ll read their interviews, but I honestly won’t read a word of their analysis or predictions…they literally didn’t predict one thing right last offseason, as in NOTHING!!! Can’t fill my head with an entire offseason worth of intel that turns out to be false..although BGN does have a few really smart football heads in the comment section, but I get to interact with most of them on Blitz

    • NickS1

      This is Benn’s second in 4 years vs. Maclin’s second in 8 or 9. Also don’t know the graft type he used in the first vs. what he just got done. He’s also had other injuries that have kept him from the field. Maybe he comes back, maybe he doesn’t, but his recent injury history is far more damning than Maclin’s.

      • Token

        Then theres the whole issue of Maclin being a good WR and Benn being a bad WR to begin with.

        • NickS1

          Don’t think he’s had enough game time to call him bad. Kid was a stud in college. Injury-plagued? Yes. Bad? I doubt Kelly would have brought him in if he was.

          • anon

            He got hired b/c of size and blocking. Think he’s getting replaced by that kid from chicago.

          • Token

            Hes been in the league since 2010. How much time is enough? Dime a dozen WR. Theres plenty of good college players that suck in the NFL. Jeff Meahl was a good college WR.

            Kelly will probably still bring in these athletes that cant play NFL football well and see if he can get something out of them. But unlike college, combine numbers alone dont get it done in the NFL.

      • GEAGLE

        I’m skeptical of both!!! I’m not ready to just assume that Maclin regains every bit of his speed. If he is a step slower, he won’t be the same WR he was…if Benj loses speed ATleast he can compensate by playing physical football beating up DBs….everyone seems to assume Mac will be fine and Benn is done, but I’m skeptical of both. Benn will be in training camp if he is healthy, so we will get to find out, but I think Counting on either player is a mistake. That’s why I need us to sign Coop There It Is first, and then try to get a deal done with Mac…

        • anon

          Mac was good prior to injury, Benn hasn’t ever made it over 500 yds in a season.

          I think CK thought he just needed athletes (measureables) — my guess is that thinking will change a little 2nd year in, skill really does play a huge part.

    • GEAGLE

      Speaking of ACLs what ever happened to Kenny Phillips? Did he latch onto another team or was he out of football this year?

      • NickS1

        Didn’t he have microfracture surgery, too? Don’t know enough about it, other than that I’ve heard it’s really difficult to return to form after it.

        • anon

          no acl it was the microfracture, he just couldnt stay on the field.

        • GEAGLE

          His knees are shot…I don’t know if he had another surgery this year but it’s a real shame what happened to that kid…he was a serious young safety prospect. ATleast we aren’t facing a healthy Phillips when we play the Giants

  • NickS1

    Most of us know the combine isn’t everything, and heres’ a reminder why it’s not: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24447401/nfl-combine-mike-mamulas-1995-combine-remains-one-of-best-ever

    • Andy124

      This merits some kind of response. But I’m not sure how to respond other than with angst and depression.

      I seem to recall it being no matter of hindsight that this was a bad pick. Plenty of warnings that he was a workout warrior and while he had some decent production on the field (13 sacks one year?), the scouts didn’t like what they saw on film. Is my memory lying to me?

      I’d be interested in him as an OLB in this defense though. :)

      • NickS1

        I’d be on board with that too if he fits Chip’s measurables.

    • peteike

      I remember well wanting us to draft Warren Sapp. I couldnt believe weed was effecting his draft stock like that. In all the game footage he was an absolute beast.

      • pjcostello

        Randy Moss, too.

    • Tom W

      Think teams realize that as well but its a factor just like the senior bowl and interviews and to prodays

    • Tom W

      guess your the guy who brings up that we threw snowballs at santa claus and larry hughes over paul pierce every year too lol. better not to dwell in the past once we have moved on from an entirely different regime and gm twice over

      • NickS1

        haha not a chance. i hate that crap. people talk about us like fans get killed outside of our stadiums (SF/LA)

        • peteike

          and I was just watching 42 last night (not very good film) and what team was the worst. Some team in the deep south or Texas maybe, nope, Philly. Ugh,

  • Tom W

    So I have insider and there is a great article (who know) from kiper and mcshay on the combine …a cheatsheet so to speak. best think was this chart that shows the measurables and performances of each position by average over the last 5 yrs so you can see what the average combine player is doing vs someone you like / dislike

    Pos HT WT Arm Hand Bench 10 40 VJ BJ 20 3-C Wing
    OG 6040 314.5 33 1/2 9 7/8 26.5 1.85 5.35 27 08’03″ 4.83 7.81 79 1/2
    OT 6054 314.9 34 1/8 10 3/8 25.0 1.83 5.29 28 08’05″ 4.80 7.81 81 1/2
    OC 6032 304.5 32 5/8 9 5/8 27.7 1.84 5.33 27 08’02″ 4.70 7.74 77 3/4
    TE 6041 251.3 33 1/4 9 3/4 21.1 1.66 4.77 33 09’07″ 4.39 7.09 78 3/4
    QB 6030 223.7 32 1/8 9 5/8 17.3 1.69 4.88 31 1/2 09’03″ 4.34 7.08 76 1/2
    WR 6006 202.5 32 9 1/4 14.8 1.58 4.54 35 1/2 10’00″ 4.24 6.90 75 5/8
    RB 5103 213.2 31 9 1/4 20.4 1.60 4.60 35 09’09″ 4.27 7.00 73 1/2
    FB 6010 243.0 31 7/8 9 5/8 23.7 1.66 4.84 33 1/2 09’05″ 4.40 7.23 75 1/2
    DE 6034 266.4 33 5/8 9 7/8 24.8 1.69 4.87 33 09’05″ 4.45 7.21 80 1/2
    DT 6026 306.4 33 3/8 9 7/8 28.7 1.77 5.13 29 1/2 08’08″ 4.66 7.64 79 1/2
    ILB 6012 242.0 32 1/8 9 1/2 22.4 1.66 4.81 33 1/2 09’07″ 4.32 7.10 76 5/8
    OLB 6015 239.7 32 3/8 9 5/8 22.7 1.64 4.74 34 1/2 09’10″ 4.33 7.14 77 3/8
    DS 6001 209.7 31 7/8 9 3/8 18.1 1.62 4.63 35 1/2 10’01″ 4.22 6.96 75 7/8
    DC 5110 193.1 31 1/2 9 1/8 14.9 1.60 4.56 35 1/2 10’01″ 4.15 6.88 74 3/8

    • Tom W

      downvote really for adding something I paid for so people could enjoy combine more w some historical reference. Haters gonna hate.

      • anon

        down is the new up

        • Andy124

          lol. I’d downvote this twice if I could.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol why does it bother u? Should make you laugh

        • Andy124

          Then you’ve been laughing A LOT today. :)

          • GEAGLE

            Come on Andy…you know my track record

          • Andy124

            I know Gio. I know.

          • GEAGLE

            I let the silly idiots hate, but I know that you know better :)

          • Andy124

            Hey, I get along just fine with most of the people you’re referring to and I get along just fine with you. I’d force y’all to either get along or ignore each other if I could, but it’s not my place. I just try to ignore it most of the time.

            Btw, I’m calling you Gio from now on.

        • cliff henny

          i down-voted you…tell me that doesnt sting a little

      • reb

        maybe the down vote came from ESPN’s “insider” departments.

  • anon

    Kerry Rhodes! http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/19/kerry-rhodes-i-dont-think-i-was-blacklisted/

    Also Brent’s and Nick’s offseason regime look similar. Wonder if the ‘Seans show up for the barre classes too.

    • NickS1

      Kerry Rhodes? Where’s Will?

      • GEAGLE

        Wonder if Kerry missed out on a bunch of marketing opportunities not announcing that he was gay?

        • NickS1

          Probably. Probably kickin’ himself in the a$$ now.

  • Andy124
    • Jarrod

      Loved the article! Maybe I have a bit of PSU bias but man I want this guy on the Eagles team!

    • NickS1

      Sounds like he has the brains Chip covets!

      • cliff henny

        has the brains nasa covets

    • Explorer51

      A smart, well-spoken All American lineman from a good university…he would drive Richie Incognito nuts!

      • Andy124

        Awesome.

        • Richard Colton

          Incognito may get the 1yr Bountygate ban. Especially when players are asking the Commish to clean up the locker rooms

          • NickS1

            Didn’t he already have to sit the remainder of the season and lose 2 or 4 games of pay? They give him a 1yr ban on top of that and there’s going to be some lawsuits. If he gets the 1yr ban, 4 or 5 other people better feel the Wrath of GODell.

          • cliff henny

            Pouncey has to see some game checks. and if i was gooddell with that stupid ‘free hernandez’ hat bs, wouldnt hold back, he’d get 8 games. let it be negotiated back to 6. think the other guy jerry, he stinks enough no one is going to want his baggage.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah Jon Jerry is screwed. He 100% won’t be in the NFL next year.

    • mtn_green

      Wow great article. It’s like Brent Cohen or James Keane. Only he’s a starting OL for PSU

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      “This may not be cool to your readers,” says the 22-year-old, “but to a math-savvy person, proving your own theorem is pretty sick.”

      damn, I’m jealous.

      • reb

        Wow! I have a BS and MS in math and never proved a theorem like that (or played football). That amazing!

    • PaoliBulldog

      Jesus Christ. My nipples are getting hard!

      • Andy124

        That’s what Mary said.

  • Explorer51

    Just to be provocative, and not saying I’d like this at all, but is it possible in any universe for this to happen:

    Because DeSean Jackson is set to make $10+M this year, and because he may be (assumed not confirmed) unhappy with his lack of contractual security; and because there are lots of big, fast WRs in this draft; and because there’s a quick, little multi-purpose Chip Kelly guy (DAT) potentially available as a later round pick…could the Eagles do an unexpected blockbuster trade of Jackson for multiple picks in this talent-rich draft? After a career year, his trade value may never be higher and I’m not sure I can see them paying him in the $12-15M range he may want for future years when they may be able to lock up a future #1 WR in this draft for much less money over three years.

    Obviously a huge gamble (no pun intended on our own front office Gamble) but who knows with Chip?

    • Richard Colton

      What do you think the market is for a 10 Million $ WR who isn’t happy with his contract? Multiple 1st round picks or just a 1st and 2nd?

      • GEAGLE

        Lol

      • Explorer51

        All sarcasm aside, is there a team that is a piece or two away on offense that might be looking for his skill set…and is willing to give up a couple or three mid to late picks? NE? KC? Lots of folks thought Seattle was nuts to trade for an injured Percy Harvin but he sparked in the SB and could be a big factor in the next couple of years for them. If people think there might be a market for Brandon Graham (though he is basically unproven he is lots cheaper for sure), why not a proven, albeit expensive, commodity coming off a career year? Yeah, I know it’s crazy and dumb but I’ve never been a Mensa Society candidate and I’ve been called worse!

        • Maggie

          Don’t worry about name calling. You have an opinion which presents a different point of view, gives some folks something different to ponder. Trading DJax is not impossible and like you said, many WRs available this year. Most of which would play for less money and be happier to be on a team which is on the upswing. Desean would probably be happier on the West Coast anyway. Raiders? San Diego? Now the usual twits with name calling will target me instead of you.

          • Andy124

            All I’ve ever heard is that DJ’s contract was structured with the full intent on both sides to renegotiate this offseason. I have no idea what specifics made that clear, but the consensus and my opinion of the sources lead me to accept this fully. As such, I would honestly be slightly surprised if there was any difficulty getting a deal done and if any hard feelings result.

            If by some chance things were to go bad and we have a pouty-Jackson on our hands, I’m positive most of the league would be elated to vulture him off our hands. Public comments and private perceptions of his contract demands would impact what we could get for him in a trade in a big way is my guess. Considering his age and production he should be worth a late first easy, but I doubt (pessimism) we’d have the leverage to get that. Balance a perceived need to trade vs. competing buyers, no idea what wins out. Of course, I also doubt the situation comes about in the first place.

          • Maggie

            I’m not seriously thinking it either. Just agreeing with Explorer 51 that there is no harm in “exploring” any possibility, no matter how remote. Besides there has been more than one person commenting, from time to time, about DJax’s size or demeanor or contract. Just think how happy those ever-negative twits would be. For at LEAST 5 minutes.

          • Andy124

            Had to upvote the “exploring” play. And honestly, I was just trying to throw out something to distract from the “twits” line.

          • Explorer51

            Thanks Maggie but I don’t worry about name calling; I love Birds 24/7 and think many of the folks who comment here are smart, and passionate about their opinions and some are just loudmouths…or is that loud typists? Besides, if anonymous strangers “attack” what I write on a football website, it’s more humorous than anything. It’s actually cool to disagree, particularly if you can get someone to re-consider a point. At least this site hasn’t become a comment cesspool like others.

            BTW, I really do think that a KC or NE have at least considered trading…perhaps cheaply…for someone like Jackson; the former needs a big play guy and the latter needs to get Brady some offensive firepower before his window closes. More likely they will be seriously considering FAs but there’s not a lot of top-end value this year for WRs.

        • Richard Colton

          Its not dumb. you just need to consider both sides. the reason you’d be excited about the Eagles doing it is exactly the reason another team wouldn’t go for it. Why commit 10 mil in cap space when there are a number of potential star receivers to be had in this draft? Seriously, I’m like you. the more I watch these young WRs in the class on ’14 – the more I want two.

    • pjcostello

      I wouldn’t trade him for less than a first- and a third-round pick, but I would do that — IF, and only IF, I re-sign both Maclin and Cooper. I don’t think the Eagles can enter training camp with multiple starting WRs who have never been exposed to Kelly’s system and methods.

  • Chris Jones

    I want no part of dee ford. Calvin Pryor should be this teams only concern first round and for good reason. We need big playmakers in the secondary to compliment Boykin and give it some much needed toughness.

    • Richard Colton

      Sake of argument – what if Pryor isn’t there at #22? Or are you saying we should trade up to the late teens in order to make sure we get him?

      • Token

        Another nightmare scenario. Trading assets to go up for Pryor.

        • Richard Colton

          Just not sure if he’s saying he really likes Pryor, or something else. I like Pryor too. Don’t love him higher than #22. If he were to fall to us…AND we had already solved our S issues in FA, I’d be fine with the pick. Really would.

          • NickS1

            I’m with Cliff in that it’d be hard to believe that they addressed S in FA and still drafted a S at #22. Now if they traded back into late 1st early 2nd and took a S that happens to fall, it’d be a different ball game. I’d like to think I’d be pretty pissed if the first scenario happened, though.

          • Richard Colton

            Why? that’s exactly their strategy. Even if they address the need in FA, they won’t be afraid to pull the trigger on a quality player. Casey was their big FA signing on offense last year but they still drafted Ertz with a top 35 pick.

            Say they rate Pryor as a top 12 player in the draft; he’s head and shoulders above Haha and everyone else. He’s there at #22 they’ll draft him. Byrd or no Byrd.

          • NickS1

            If they rank him that high, I agree. I just find it unlikely they do. I’m also curious if they rank them in some numeric order, or group them, or some combination.

        • NickS1

          I don’t mind the trading of assets. I mind the trading of assets to acquire Pryor.

      • Chris Jones

        It’s very likely he won’t be there which means obviously we will have to trade up. If they decide not too I would like Kyle van noy instead. Ultimately it may be better if the eagles stockpile picks and walk away with a bunch of guys this year but we need depth at safety, corner and on the lines.

    • Tom W

      that’s the problem w analyzing draft that way before free agency. We are getting a vet safety in free agency — Howie basically admitted it a couple weeks ago. If we get one of the top 5 safeties free agents, then we don’t need to draft for need and take safety in first. And at that point, I certainly don’t think pryor is the BUA (best upgrade available) over guys like benjamin or evans or barr or maybe ford

      • Chris Jones

        See i disagree completely with that. Just because you get one big name in free agency doesn’t mean you don’t draft another guy to compliment that free agent. Earl Wolffe is still an unknown and we don’t know how he will pan out, Chung is gone for sure, Allen is ok I guess? And you can forget about Anderson and Coleman. The point is you can bring in Jairus Byrd or TJ Ward all you want but if you don’t have depth or another solid safety to compliment him it’s not really doing much.

        • cliff henny

          get a byrd/ward or another quality vet, let wolff (i think i’m higher than most on the guy, thought he looked 10-xs better than college tape) vs bailey/buchanon (or 3rd -4th rd safeties) battle it out. a quality vet at safety can cover alot of shortcomings. but using a first on a safety means pushing wr or olb back to 3rd, cause i dont see any longterm solutions in free agency. wr needs a #2 to jax. cooper is nice #3 at best and Maclin is either great 1 yr rental solution or will of lost a step and not be a #2 in nfl anymore. olb, there’s nothing in free agency but stop gaps. the best olbrs never make it to free agency, these guys have to be drafted. for me, free agency vet safety w/ wr/olb 1st/2nd or vice versa is best utalization of resources.

          • Chris Jones

            Alright for the sake of being open minded here i’ll reconsider my mock draft. Kyle Van Noy with the first pick, Deon Buchanon or Jimmy Ward in the 2nd, 3rd round you can’t pass on De’anthony Thomas because we may have a situation at WR and we have lacked a good KR and PR for years now since Freddie Mitchell. Fill out the remaining picks with a nose tackle, guard, defenisve end, and corner.

          • cliff henny

            1st on KVN might be round too high, 2nd, i’m down, but rather other guys-seems like a barwin, think other holes need to be addressed before (johnny Geagle has argued this with me plenty-i see merit). def take buch in 3rd. like ward, he could be interesting, since i’m half stalking Joyner and think he brings alot of Dime coverage we all want. (my full stalk is Evans, restraining order and all is filled out). 3rd is way too high for DAT, 5th at best-and on board there. he’s a part time player, rounds 1-3 should be 60+ play starter, especially in this draft. some where in 4th-5th have to look at cb, ryans (4th Barlow out of LSU or maybe christian jones falls to 3rd-he could play olb initially and move inside) and celek’s replacements (or just march lyoria is on a miami snow flake carpet in the 7th).

          • Richard Colton

            4th is the absolute highest I would ever go for DAT.

          • GEAGLE

            Kind of be pissed if we took him before the 6th….hoping we sign Dexter McCluster just so I don’t have to worry about us reaching for DAT

          • cliff henny

            be alot of fun to see DAT and D-Jax line up wide together, with evans and ertz other side.

          • GEAGLE

            Mayock says he belongs somewhere around the 4th….but is have a feeling there will be much better value to be had in the 4th

          • GEAGLE

            Buffalo is thinking about tagging Byrd so they can trade him. Hahahahaha poor clueless schmucks lol..
            ,..
            WTF do they think they would get back in a trade for a player that a team has to trade for AND THEN give 40mil to? Bunch of simple bastards lol…

          • cliff henny

            if trading for franchise tagged players, isnt it an automatic 2 1sts?

          • GEAGLE

            Lol not sure…but it’s such a bad idea by the bills that the report can’t possibly be true…..no one will give up a 3rd round pick for a guy they also have to give 40million to….I’m almost hoping the bills Tag him just so I can watch it blow up in their face

        • Tom W

          didnt’ say we don’t draft another guy … I’d be happy if we got buchanon in the 3d or bailey in the 4th at safety … I just am not that high on pryor talent to say we need him at 22 over all others. Nor do I think our second safety position is such a glaring weakness that Wolfe or Allen couldn’t cover it or compete w the third rounder or fourth round safety. I think both Pryor and Haha are a tad overrated after everyone is hoping the next earl thomas or eric berry or even kenny vaccaro are walking throught the door in the guise of pryor or haha.
          I don’t think pryor is what we really need either and the league is getting away from the talents of the big hitter. plus he isn’t a great tackler. haha actually fits a tad better as a coverage safety but he isn’t great at anything and doesn’t wow me enough to say we need him on 22. so both based on need, bpa, and bua I don’t think pryor or haha works or is needed if we get a top 5 vet safety …. safety in the mid rounds yes I do want. but better talents at 22 at other positions.

          • Chris Jones

            Dude Wolffe is an unknown right now he’s the closest thing to a decent safety that we have and that’s really sad. Allen is a bum I don’t care if he had a good year he has been terrible for the past 4-5 years he’s been here. It’s because we’ve settled for guys like Allen, Coleman, and Chung for years that we are even in this situation. And how is it not our biggest weakness? We had the worst pass coverage in the league this year? Come on man i know you don’t like Pryor or Dix but get real it’s the teams biggest weakness.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Off topic…what do you think of the possible elimination of the PAT?

    I say toss it. I hate PATs. Make a TD worth 7pts, an unsuccessful 2pt conversion takes away a point & a FG inside 50yds is still worth 3, but a FG over 50yds is worth 5pts. Make the kickers earn their money. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit much but I’m still all for doing away with the PAT.

    • NickS1

      I hate it, personally. I’d rather see the eradication of the rules that make it such a gimme. I don’t get why a player can’t at least push off his lineman’s shoulders to get a hand a little higher in the air, and I don’t see why the D can’t stack their line how they see fit to try to block it. The league has made it a gimme, and they change that, instead of doing away with it. Also, the lack of sanctity for the game’s tradition’s in the name of “improving” the game is crap. Seems like another change for the sake of change, in my opinion. If they really cared about anything else except for money, they’d eliminate a commercial break or two.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        So are you in favor of the proposed change by moving it back 10yds as the happy medium? Or just do away with it altogether?

        • NickS1

          I think the spot is fine. Moving it back 10 yards doesn’t change it much. The rules preventing the D from making it a play are the problem. How often do you just see the people at the line stand right up as the snap happens? They’re basically prevented from wasting the energy because the rules are so stacked in the kicking team’s favor that it’s worthless to try to block it. It’d be the same 10 yards back, I think.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Exactly. The only time a PAT is something of interest is on the rare occasion that it is blocked. I understand the point by moving it back to try to make it harder by changing the trajectory angle, but if you’re gonna keep it, make it an actual challenge. Maybe move it back & shorten the distance between LOS & the ball being placed. Hell I’m even in favor of a block counting as a point for the opposing team. A miss is just a miss.

        • cliff henny

          have to move it back to the 25-30 yardline. anything inside 40 should never be missed, weather permitting. or, add a second pair of goalpost back off the base, like 3yds apart.

      • Maggie

        Agree on change for the instant gratification generation. However, moving the PAT farther back would maintain the tradition while adding a bit of uncertainty. We’ve all seen kickers miss from, say, 50 yards.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yes but I do have to agree with Nick in that they should allow the D more of an opportunity to actually block the kick. Just moving it back 10yds isn’t quite enough. There needs to be some sort of challenge to it, otherwise it’s not worth the time it takes away from “real” game action.

  • peteike

    The Washington Redskins accomplished one of their offseason priorities, re-signing cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

    Hall agreed to a deal that is worth $20 million over four years,

    Thank you Dan, my man.

    • GEAGLE

      20 million dollar candy bar

    • NickS1

      Just put a smile on my face. Thank you.

  • GEAGLE

    Wouldn’t mind giving a 5th up to the Browns for Jabaal Sheard..but it’s a tricky year to do that because it’s the last year on his rookie deal, so for us to trade for him, we would already have to be sold on wanting to offer him a Longterm deal. No one is givng up a 5th for a guy they will lose to FA at the end of the year…
    ..
    I wish I was a fly at the combine right now..all the juicy tampering taking place between teams and agents