What They’re Saying About the Eagles

NCAA Football: Stanford at Southern California

From draft buzz to 2014 projections, here’s a weekly roundup of national media links.

Chris Wesseling of NFL.com has some notes on how the Eagles were built:

Chip Kelly delved into free agency to find better fits for Billy Davis’ 3-4 defense, but this roster was built through two key trades (Jason Peters, DeMeco Ryans) and the draft. The pivotal year was 2012, which featured a draft class of DT Fletcher Cox, LB Mychal Kendricks, QB Nick Foles and CB Brandon Boykin.

Josh Norris of Rotoworld could see an Eagles-Giants trade in the first round making sense, with the Birds selecting UCLA edge rusher Anthony Barr:

Chip Kelly obviously took notes during his time at Oregon. That up close exposure likely aided in selecting Zach Ertz last season and continued into his implementation and use. Barr is not as far along in his development as we all thought his summer, but he still has plenty of upfield and chase down speed. If he starts using his hands and length more effectively, he can make a large impact.

Marc Sessler of NFL.com looks at the Eagles’ offseason forecast:

Along with the potential holes at safety, the defense also needs pass-rushing help. While Trent Cole finished with eight sacks, he’s on the wrong side of 30 for a team that lacks a true 3-4 edge rusher. You can’t have enough war-daddy quarterback killers in the NFC East, and Philly would be wise to stock up on potential difference-makers. Depending on what happens with Cooper and Maclin, Foles also might be short on targets in an offense that likes to overload opponents with three- and four-receiver sets. Back on the defensive side of the ball, Philly could use a big-bodied nose tackle to control the line of scrimmage, clog running lanes and set the pass rush free.

Charles Davis of NFL.com mocks Louisville safety Calvin Pryor to the Eagles:

Big hitter, but in today’s NFL, his ability to cover is what makes him a first-rounder.

Chase Stuart of Football Perspective uses DVOA to project 2014 wins. He’s got the Eagles at 9.5, behind only the Seahawks (10.5) and the Broncos (10):

The Eagles are projected for nearly one full win more using the DVOA projection (9.5) than Pythagenpat (8.6). That makes some sense, I think, because Philadelphia had excellent offensive pass and rush DVOA grades, and the below-average special teams grade doesn’t mean much. Philadelphia did rank 4th in points, but I think their DVOA grades are farther from the mean than their points scored number indicates.

Matthew Fairburn of SB Nation mocks USC WR Marquise Lee to the Eagles at No. 22:

If Jeremy Maclin leaves in free agency, the Eagles will need to find a receiver early in the draft. Marqise Lee wasn’t great in 2013, but he battled injuries and still flashed playmaking ability, on deep routes and after the catch. He’s worth a late first-round pick.

In the second round, he has the Birds landing BYU LB Kyle Van Noy:

Kyle Van Noy is a player who could play multiple positions across different schemes. The Eagles could certainly use some help on the edge, and while Van Noy has the ability to get after the passer, he can also be relied upon in coverage. He’s too good a value to pass up here.




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  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Barr is the one who messed MB shoulder up. would be great to have him on the squad. I don’t see it happening though. unless we make some moves to get there. but I would love it.

    • guest

      Thats what this guy predicted….making some moves to get there. He has us trading up to the Giants spot. I’d love to see Barr in green, but there should be plenty of good prospects at 22 that I just dont see the need to give up another draft pick. They can sit at 22 and get Haha or Pryor…or one of the WRs…or just go BPA. If they dont like the OLBs at 22, there will be good ones in the 2nd and even 3rd.

      Plus, the Giants pick might not be high enough to get Barr. He needs to do something stupid between now and the draft to fall into striking distance for the Birds. Trading up 5 or so spots by giving up a 4th or 5th…thats a different story. But dont go giving up a 2nd, or even a 3rd. Not in this draft.

      • zbone95

        There is a high demand for pass rushers and a low supply. If the eagles see Barr as an instant impact rusher they should definitely pull the trigger and trade up

        • Tom W

          I think this year there is a good supply of pass rushers actually …clowney, mack, barr, crichton, ealy, ford, attaboy, kvn, marcus smith, murphy, demarcus lawrence, easley, martin, crawford who probably all go in first 2 rds maybe mid 3. guys who can play olb or de in a 4-3 … Barr is raw and in such a deep draft may not be the play

  • guest

    GEAGLE must be losing it over the possibility of Van Noy in the 2nd. lol

    • cliff henny

      losing it…Johnny done gone and lost it a long time ago

    • GEAGLE

      …..#5

      • NickS1

        What’s the #s about?

        • Andy124

          Gotta be counting his fans.

          • OldDocRoss

            Or he likes randomly accusing ‘guests’ of being Donovan….

          • GEAGLE

            Nailed it lol

          • Tom W

            Whose Donovan? longtime vick supporter?

          • Joe Thomas

            My guess McNabb, #5

        • James Hathaway

          He’s counting his haters. I razzed him for writing comments that are longer than the actual posted article, and he called me #2 or #3. I don’t remember.

          Geagle, do yourself a favor and get a puppy. They’re a lot more fun than this message board, and you’ll actually get sh** on a little less with the puppy.

          • GEAGLE

            ……

      • James Hathaway

        …will always love you

        • GEAGLE

          ….#2 or #3 don’t remember which

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            You had a lifelong goal of being the most popular like a middle school pre teen and now you are criticizing your fans that brought you up? Harsh.

          • GEAGLE

            #1…..

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            Damn right. Always will be…well Dutch deserves #1 but I wont refute anyone giving me that title. Just remember whos #1 geags

          • GEAGLE

            ….

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            You never stopped resonding to my posts…You just wanted the viewers on that particular day to believe you did.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    Actually not the worst “what they’re saying”. Some reasonable intelligence in those quotes. I don’t get Sessler, though; of course the Eagles will be down targets if Maclin and Cooper both go. duh. but I guess he forgot about Ertz and Celek, and how much the Eagles declined in 3 and 4-WR sets (favoring the 12 much more than the 10, 11, or 20)

  • Joe Thomas

    I think it would be wise to wait for free agency before guessing who we draft, and determining our needs. Who knows what Chip might do between now and then.

    • Tom W

      Correct but I think its safe to assume we will atleast grab one safety in free agency (byrd/ward or Clemons/Jenkins/Brown/Mitchell). Probably add a 4th Corner as well. Resign Cooper or Maclin. Tender Thornton. Resign DJones. Sign a kicker. I think that is the minimum what we do.

      But yes if we sign a great to good safety I think that allows us to go BUA (Best Upgrade Available) versus drafting for need or best player available.

      At 22 – Evans and Barr probably aren’t making it to you. With this being lauded as the deepest draft in 30 yrs and studs and first yr players sitting there in the third and fourth rd … I wouldn’t try to trade up short of giving up a pick in next years draft …to get Barr. Also if we are a team that gets its studs in the draft, then we should always be looking to acquire more picks rather than trading up. So i doubt we trade up this year in the first.

      So many guys w impact available in second and third round I wouldn’t mind packaging graham or avant or celek or herramins w our second round pick to move up too the early second round — same w our third round pick … Its basically like getting an extra third rounder or fifth rounder respectively in value.

      • Joe Thomas

        Yea signing a proven saftey is definitely needed. I wouldnt be surprised if we tried to package a few players who don’t fit the scheme for draft picks, it be nice to load up on 2nd and 3rd round picks.

  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    1st scenario) I’d be ok with Calvin Pryor and bringing in a Safety via free agency. Might as well double up at the Safety spot to solidify the back end of the secondary. It also seems like Eagles could draft best available player too. (2nd scenario) If Mike Evans slips down close enough to trade up…I could see Chip Kelly falling in love with the mismatch nightmare/big body receiver that he’s always wanted. He could make this offense unstoppable in the red zone. I know. I know. We need to go defense.

    • cliff henny

      get mike evans, with healthy Mac, dj shady and ertz, you or i might be good enough to play safety. damnit, i need evans in eagle green

      • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

        Cliff now that sounds like some weapons. I was watching Mike Evans on jump balls and his catch rate is through the roof…imagine Foles just chucking it up and Evans bodying up small DBs. Love the way he shields defenders from the ball. Ha if we get Evans we can score enough points to counter having avg safeties.

        shielding defenders from the ball
        shielding defenders from the ball

        • OldDocRoss

          We’ll still need to find safeties who can reach the dizzying heights of “average”.

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Sad state ODR when just trying to find an average Safety is a difficult task. Macho Harris disagrees with this message.

          • OldDocRoss

            You know what’s really sad?

            You can mention someone like Macho Harris and just for a split second I thought “was that guy so bad? Wonder if he’s busy on Sundays…..”.

            Scary stuff. Needless to say, I blame Patrick Chung.

          • cliff henny

            when i doubt, blame chung or NNo-D…i blame both for global warming.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            somewhere, impulsively, a solitary finger just pointed in the direction of Kurt Coleman

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Macho Harris tried his hand at modeling and now plays CB in the CFL for the Saskatchewan Roughriders #Nopunintended

        • Richard Colton

          I think something like 40% of his catches from Johnny Football were on comebacks. You know when Foles is holding on to the ball and we’re all screaming at the TV for him to throw it? Evan’s your answer.

          • cliff henny

            probably another 40% catching LOS passes, shoving CBs to the ground and YAC’g up monster numbers.

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Exactly Rich! You have to love a receiver that isn’t afraid to go get the ball. There’s a beautiful comeback route he ran against Alabama. When you have that kind of luxury at WR you can sleep at night knowing Foles can throw it up and Evans can come down with it 90 percent of the time.

          • Richard Colton

            I think he’ll fall after the combine because his 40 time won’t wow anyone. There’s an outside shot he gets drafted after the top two TEs and Benjamin, in which case, he may fall to us.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I bet Watkins goes before him too. If he’s beyond 15, I’m in. Cliff sold me.

          • anon

            Be interesting to see what Johnny football is like without Evans — no wonder he wants to go to TX so he can play with Andre Johnson. If CLE got him an Evans that’d be crazy (I’ll put that as no. 1 on my list of impossible things in the draft).

          • CJ

            If CLE got Manziel and Evans to pair with Gordon and Cameron, that would be be a fun offense to watch. Glad it’d be in the AFC.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            even Trent Richardson could average, say, 3.4 ypc in that offense

          • OldDocRoss

            I choose to believe your placement of the apostrophe is intentional and you are endorsing Evan Mathis seeing time at WR, because this would be a glorious thing.

            I guess I’d settle for Mike Evans though in the unlikely event Mathis isn’t up for it.

          • Richard Colton

            nope – in between classes. I won’t edit it ’cause you caught me.

      • anon

        I wouldn’t mind if we traded up for Evans. He’s that talented.

        • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

          I second that. If were moving up…let’s make it count and make it have major impact.

    • Maggie

      Doesn’t Chip already have a “big body receiver”? Who’s only 26, can block and Foles likes to throw to him? Seems more likely that the Eagles look at WRs in FA and use the draft primarily for Defense. But, like everybody else here, I could be wrong.

      • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

        Maggie the problem with Cooper is that he doesn’t consistently beat man (press man) coverage on the outside. Teams dare the Eagles to beat them with Cooper on the outside in man situations while rolling coverages over to Desean. In order for the Eagles offense to be potent the Eagles are going to need someone to be a consistent threat in those type of situations. I like Cooper (like his blocking and that he knows Chip’s system) for the right price but he’s a poor man’s big body threat. I believe in Chip Kelly’s ability to put him in the best situations to succeed with Foles though. I just don’t seem as a “threat” on the outside that defenses lose sleep over..

        • Andy124

          In order for the Eagles offense to be potent
          This implies that the offense wasn’t potent.

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            As in deep in the playoffs and as in next year my friend

      • anon

        It’s clear we need a route runner that can separate. Think that was the biggest thing holding the offense back. While the offense was definitely potent, it was streaky at times b/c of that issue.

        • GEAGLE

          Maggie thinks you are only allowed to have one big WR…

  • GEAGLE

    I view KVN as this years Kiko Alonso only more versatile…in my dream world we trade our first round pick, get two 2nd round picks, and draft KVN and Marcus Smith

    I wouldn’t trade all the way up to 12 for Barr, because if he makes it past the Titans I’m expecting him to fall further down then 12…once he gets to like 19, I’d trade up with Miami to make sure the cardinals or packers don’t steal him. The Giants won’t draft him. It would be like Miami drafting Dion to play 4-3Sam(and Giants have too many needs on both lines)..I don’t think the rams would draft him. I don’t see the bears drafting him…Pittsburg already has to figure out their Worlids?Jarvis!Woodley love triangle. They need NT,OL,WR more then an OLB…so I See no reason to trade up to 12. Wait til he gets to like 16-18 and then move up to secure him…..but I really really hope a team with two second round picks, wants to trade back into round 1 to secure a falling QB like Carr…I’d rather turn our first round pick into KVN and Marcus Smith, then use our first and other picks on Barr, even if he is my favorite prospect in this draft class… Too deep of a class to be giving away draft picks

  • GEAGLE

    KVN is going to really apeal to both Chip and Billy D…would love to know how many prospects we place ahead of KVN on our big board…and I love Louisville Marcus Smith…I want both

    • Richard Colton

      If we go disruptive edge rusher in round one (and Mack or Barr don’t fall) I’m liking Dee Ford a whole lot better than Marcus Smith. KVN in round two is a dream, but I think we could land him trading down to the 30-40 range. Attaocho, however, may be there at #54 – I think teams are going to love his speed at the combine, but consider him a one-trick-pony.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah I don’t think Marcus is a first round pick…Ford could be, but I think you have a chance at Marcus in round 2, and he is everything we could want in an PLB across from barwin

        • Richard Colton

          Going to make draft night anti-climactic. It’s just the 1st round still, correct?

          • GEAGLE

            Yup..unfortunately

          • mksp

            God dammit how do you consistently write so much and say so little.

  • CJ

    With the bolus of kids that came out, it seems a high probability that one of Evans, Benjamin, Pryor, Barr, Dix, Mack, make it to 22. Maybe more than 1, in which case (other than Evans over Benjamin) I’m not sure how you choose, and may be better off moving back just enough to still get one and pick up another pick.

    In the 2nd & 3rd, you’re probably looking at the same type of situation, with Joyner, Jones, KVN, Attouachu, Hageman, a crapload of TEs (not that we need one) WRs (Beckham, Robinson, Adams, etc.).

    Unless I’m in the market for a QB, this isn’t the type of draft I would move up for. Seems like a pretty deep draft across many of the positions the Eagles are perceived to be in need of, giving up a 1 and 2 to swap with the Giants for Barr (if that’s even enough), seems like wishful thinking on the Giants’ part. This draft is pretty heavy on WR, LB, and good on S. I’d rather load up on the 30-70 range if I can then give a lot of that away for one guy.

    Barr’s a beast, but he’s raw and . If there’s someone I’m moving in the top 10 for, it’s Watkins or Clowney, but that’s just ridiculous.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah man…I really really really want to trade out of round 1..

      Perfect draft would be:

      Trading 22 for Cleveland’s 2nd, and one of their 3rds and 4ths(they have two of each)…so we would have two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths, two 5ths..
      ..or..
      Trading 22 to a team with two second round picks, giving us 3 picks in round two, and then trade back like ten spots with one of our 3 second rounders to pick up an extra 3rd or 4th..

      • CJ

        Love to get a 6th back and walk away from day 3 with Lyerla and De’Anthony Thomas. They’d fit our offense better than most and we should be able to steal them late. Maybe a Guard day 2 and bigger WR at some point, and spend the rest on the D.

        • Tom W

          Sign me up. I’d take those two in the fifth in a freaking second and mail us the SB in 2015.

      • Tom W

        1) I like the dream scenario but a 3d and 4th is a tad rich … but in a deep draft I could see that high 3d and maybe a 6th. Cowboys got just a low third for moving down more than us last year. Chart says just that high third a tad much, but its what they have so I could see that. If they loved Carr maybe you get a late rounder too but I really cant see a 4th too unless its a bidding war. Just give me any team in the top 10 of second round who needs a qb … take their 2d and 3d and anything else is gravy

        2) may change but I don’t see a team with two 2s this year as wek speak.

        3) we have two 5ths …

        4) What do you think Andy would pay for Celek? Or Herramins? he may be in dire straits at both positions especially oline when Asomuah and Albert walk and Kelce/Fasano arent the answer

        • CJ

          SF has 2 2s, thought there was one more too, but maybe I’m wrong.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m pretty sure another team or two have two twos

          • Tom W

            Here’s the order from walter … he is right niners have 2. I dont see another but maybe I am wrong.

            http://walterfootball.com/draft2014charlie_2.php

          • Tom W

            Great call … my apologies … tried and couldn’t keep track. think niners would be willing to overpay to move up to 22 … maybe they want Benjamin or odell to take them over the top.

          • GEAGLE

            They could use their first on a WR and use our first to replace Donte Whitner the way they replaced Goldson last year with Reid in round 1

          • Tom W

            wow that would be interesting. I would take both their 2s for 22. Chip and Howie would catch alot of flack but you probably walk out of second round w attaboy/msmith, cjones/kvn, and buchanon .. and take the dropping wrs in rd3 like martavius bryant or devonta or robinson or cooks

          • NickS1

            Wouldn’t we still have our 2nd, too? Walk out of the first three rounds with 2LBs, a S, and WR.

    • Tom W

      Agree. If our stated team philosophy is build and get studs in the draft then Howie should be looking to acquire extra picks in the deepest draft in 30 yrs … I would stand at 22 for evans or barr or benjamin … otherwise I’m looking to move down … maybe a team like the niners really thinks benjamin can take them over the top at wr and they float their first and a third bc they are so deep in talent these later picks never play for them and guys like tank and the rb are coming back from injury.

    • Mitchell

      Upvote for the use of the word “bolus.”

  • GEAGLE

    PR/KR will play a role in the WR we draft…
    ,,,
    So along with Odell Beckam Jr, I would keep an eye on Wisconsin Jared Abrederis

    • Ale (Brazil)

      Abbredderis caught some eyes at the Senior Bowl. The guy is good.

      • Richard Colton

        too many consonants to be an effective WR

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah he can ball

    • Tom W

      Gotta hope one of those 2 safeties slides to round 3 pick … if they are 4-6th ranked safeties that may be wishful thinking … we need another early 3d or second

  • GEAGLE

    Thursday at 2:30 will be Howies press conference from the combine,,,can’t wait to see how the WRs and OLB/DEs perform at the combine…I’m getting antsy!!!

    • cliff henny

      keep tabs on guys you’ve mentioned, of course atta-guy and christian jones. somehow they walk with a buchanon/joyner, 2 out of kvn atta-guy smith or jones and 1 wr like landy evans moncrief beckham…my bags are packed!

      • GEAGLE

        Come on home Cliff. First beer is on me!!!

        • cliff henny

          i’ll have cooler in the car. throwing empties at redskins stickers on way thru DC

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            littering laws/fines are a b*tch there, save it for the north VA bums. and I’m sure you’ll pass a few DAL flags as well

          • cliff henny

            Dallas gets bottles.

      • Ale (Brazil)

        Would love me some Trent Murphy, Van Noy or Dee Ford in this draft. All great players.

        Plus, why not Black Mamba in the 3rd/4th round? Talk about a full bag of toys for Chippey to play with.

        • cliff henny

          if DAT makes it to that 2nd 5th, i’m onboard. take lyoria in 7th, i’ll swing thru Miami on my way back to Philly, his first weekend shouldnt be doing leaners with the crap up there. stepped and chopped 10,000 ways from sunday.

          • GEAGLE

            Ha!!!!!

          • devCal

            A-1 yola, no bakin soda…

          • cliff henny

            yup, stepped on maybe twice, by babies wearing slippers.

          • GEAGLE

            Just think,if you pack up and leave after the Eagles draft, you will be here in time to celebrate the drafting of your boy wiggins!!!

          • NickS1

            I’d take Parker over Wiggins all day, but I’m a Duke fan, so I’m biased.

          • GEAGLE

            I want Embiid and Exum…but I know Cliff loves wiggins

    • Tom W

      I think its risky to think kvn will drop outta first round … too many smart teams picking at the back … luckily most of them need wrs

      Would you rather have a dee ford and christian jones OR kvn and marcus smith

      • Richard Colton

        great scenario – I went back and forth a few times on that one. While I’d love either, I’d pick Ford/Jones.

      • GEAGLE

        KVN and Marcus smith all day…KVN is this years Kiko, Marcus smith will be such a stud!!! Dudes only been playing defense for a few years!! 3 down stud OLB in the making…I like the other two, but this decision would be easy for me

        • Tom W

          Yea I think its very possible that Marcus and/or Christian Jones could be there for us in the third round …. think the edge rusher is more important so we pull that by rd 2 (if not rd 1).

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I’ll take me some KVN & M Smith. KVN literally makes me get happy jitters thinking of him in midnight green with Billy moving him all over the place. To use a bball term, Kid is a baller. I like C Jones a lot, but Dee Ford just reminds me way too much of Trent Cole. Not that that is a bad thing, but I just think we need to move onto guys that are more athletic & versatile & different than what we’ve had.

  • GEAGLE

    Telvin smith basically just said he doesn’t want to play safety, and he isn’t that focused on adding weight, preferring to work on his speed and teqnique.. The kid seems to think being a 220lb(that what he just says he weighs) is nothing to worry about…if I was his agent I would beg him to add 15lbs….obviously he will be the fastest LB at the combine, but is that really impressive when he only weighs in at 220? Shame this kid won’t play safety

    • Mitchell

      Why the downvotes? I agree I think he would make an excellent hybrid defender.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    @cliff henny don’t know if you saw this today, but Kempski basically sums up all my feelings re: Joyner. You won’t believe who he takes in the 1st…

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/Eagles-seven-round-mock-draft.html

  • GEAGLE

    Bears confirm they will continue to run a 4-3, so that’s one more team like the Giants and Rams who won’t draft Barr if he starts to fall

    • cliff henny

      heard the Rams are pulling the ripcord on Bradford, finally. wouldnt be shocked if they used ‘skins pick to get qbotf

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        really? he said Bradford is their starter for ’14 on Mike&Mike, and the FO has come out and said they’re open to extending him

        • cliff henny

          oh, then i misheard it, cause that’s what i was listening too…or half, how greenburg and his ny/geeky/non-athletic schtick got nationwide is beyond me.
          .
          well, they should, he’s never winning anything. stafford is romo jr, than bradford is cutler jr. jesus i hope foles backs up ’13

          • GEAGLE

            I heard they weren’t extending Bradford, but would get a chance this year but everyone lies this time of year anyway

          • cliff henny

            yeah, that’s what i heard. pretty much means he lame duck to me. sitting at 2 with a qb you are 50/50 on, if i were a fan, i’d be yelling for bridgewater.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I can def see them shocking people and going QB

            They could even probably trade back from 13, get an extra pick and still end up with Carr

          • Richard Colton

            All those extra picks from the Redskins, and one of them nets Teddy Bridgewater – who is a better passer than RGIII right now. That would be something.

        • peteike

          oh noooo, poor rams fans, have they not endured enough. My god Bradford is just not special, move on already.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            i agree with you, but I see their logic. bring down the unbearable cap #, still have an out after maybe another 2 years, better to have the known ceiling than unknown floor. He obviously tanked in their spread attack, but with the emergence of Stacy and that defense I bet they hope he can be a Rich Man’s Alex Smith.
            I wouldn’t be surprised if they spend those early picks on OL, maybe one of these dynamo receivers, and even another defensive monster to keep up with SF and SEA.

  • Tom W

    Pre-Combine Eagles Mock Draft (biting of Kempski but adding this is prefacted assuming we sign Byrd/Ward or Clemons/Whitner and no-trades)

    1) Benjamin – 6’5 Wr FSU
    2) Atta-Boy — 6 3 253 OLB/DE GT
    3) Christian Jones — 6 4 234 ILB FSU
    4) Dion Bailey — 6 ft 205 S USC
    5) John Halapio — 6 4 G Florida
    5) C. Lyeria — 6 5 TE Oregon
    7) Aaron Colvin 6 ft CB Oklahoma

    If Howie can get us a 6th .. DAThomas RB/WR Oregon or Ronnie Powell 6 3 242 OLB Florida or Brett Urban 6 3 300 DE Virginia or Jordan Lynch 6 1 220 QB Northern Illinois

    • Richard Colton

      Not out of the realm of possibility. I like it from top to bottom. Would you be willing to use those 5ths on CB Terrence Mitchell & DAT – if your dark horse guard and Colt get over-drafted?

      • Tom W

        Yes absolutely .. Id take Mitchell over the guard straight up

      • GEAGLE

        Terrence Mitchell in the 4th HAS to be our pick!!!! You know I ain’t crazy about corners Colt, but T Mitch in the Boykin zone would be awesome

        • Tom W

          If he makes it. I was going off of a consensus of sites that rate every draftable player …only about 4 out there right now … rang has mitchell as a straight up third rounder so I didnt wanna cheat.

          • GEAGLE

            Boykin was a straight up 3rd rounder too…just saying. I don’t know if I would take Mitch in the 3rd, because I think that’s a round to get some really good WR’s..but in the 4th he would be awesome.
            ..
            Same body as Cary/Brad
            Athletic, long, Physical, Tough
            Started 38 games
            Got tested all year because teams avoided throwing at Olomu
            Loves to press,come up and make a tackle..

            Not only does he have starting outside CB potential, but if you really wanted to, he could be a candidate to turn into a safety. reminds me a lot of Antrel Roll coming out of college, who Billy Davis turned into a safety…we aren’t so stacked at CB to where we need to move him to safety, but it’s nice to have it as an option….if you are going to move a CB to safety, do it his rookie year and it has to be a physical CB, who likes to tackle. As opposed to a cover corner like Boykin. Boykin doesn’t have much experience tackling, because his coverage is so good that he can stay with WR and get the PBU…..if we wanna move a CB to safety, it has to be a CB who’s game is really physical, like the honeyPothead…

            But I like Mitchell just fine as an outside CB, so no reason to screw with his position…really hoping he has a bad combine. Chip won’t need to see him have the best combine ever to know what he can and can’t do at the next level

            Adding Mitchell and Buchanon/Baily would be a nice infusion of young talent in our secondary

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I seem to remember Boykin being valued higher as far as skill, but fell due to some questions on his character. Could be wrong, but I thought I remember reading some scouting reports prior to that draft on him being most likely a 2nd, possibly even a late late 1st based on skill.

          • RIP illa

            Boykin had the skill to be a 1st rounder. Was pegged as a 2nd rounder due to height. Broke his leg, or something along those lines, prior to the combine. Couldn’t prove his numbers (athletic) to match what was on tape. Fell to the fourth.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Thank you sir. Knew there was something. I do recall him being listed as the most talented playmaking CB of the draft, but height was a concern. Regardless he was a steal. We need more drafts like that one & last year.

          • RIP illa

            Most def. I was so excited when we picked him. Nail biting until the 4th that year cuz I thought we would take him w/ the Curry pick in the 2nd. And then when we passed on him in the 3rd…I was sure that was it for us. Thought we missed our opportunity, but Howie/Reid/whoever was in control played it perfectly.

    • NickS1

      I like this quite a lot.

    • Mitchell

      This is what I call a “freakin’ haul” and I hope it happens.

  • GEAGLE

    Yes!!! Skins just signed Deangello Hall to a 4yr deal…love having that bum in our division…talk about CANDY BARS!!!!

    • OldDocRoss

      $5m a season as well!

      This is excellent news for wide receivers across the NFC East. How could Cooper or Maclin possibly want to leave now??

      • GEAGLE

        You sure? I thought it was 4yrs for 5mil total

        • OldDocRoss
          • GEAGLE

            No, you are right…my bad… Ian Rapport reports almost 5mil per year…it very well could be a one year deal with smoke an mirrors, but even paying that candy bar close to 5mil for one year is a joke

            Caplan just says the most he could see Cooper commanding is 4-5mil per year if he were to become a Free agent..so hopefully 3-4per year with incentives is enough to keep him from becoming a FA

          • OldDocRoss

            You know how Simmons has his Tyson Zone? This conversation made me realise the Redskins are in whatever the equivalent of the Tyson Zone is when it comes to giving out contracts.

            Like, you could tell me Washington had signed any FA in the league at any $ amount and no matter how ridiculous it was I’d have to check if it was true. They’re that dumb. Delighted to have them in the division.

          • Tom W

            Caplan! Hope he doesn’t escape to espn fulltime and get lazy. Hoping at the combine they have mayock and jeremiah and davis at the desk the entire time and keep the HOFs at home or interviewing guys.

        • cliff henny

          have to see the guarentee. sounds like he’s only getting 1 yr of garenteed money and contracts always escalate. it’s probably really only 2 yrs 7 or 8m, that other 12/13m is hot air.

  • anon

    Speaking of gay players in the NFL — Kerry Rhodes — could be a good safety option. #wewantkerry. Hopefully Billy Davis is getting on the phone.

    • Adam

      Didn’t play a snap all last year and he’s gonna be 32.. why would we want him? Davis was his old coach, if we wanted him we would have signed him last off-season.

      • anon

        I think he couldn’t get paid b/c of the gay issue. Maybe Micheal same is making him change his mind. I’d put him at 3rd behind Ward and Byrd. He’s basically another Ward — you don’t need 4.4 speed to play in the box. You probably forgot his highlight reel against us in 2012.

        Plus the agism in football is ridiculous – players can play after 30.

        • Adam

          Have you ever heard of a player in the NFL taking a year off north of 30, not because of injury, and coming back and being successful? No, because it doesn’t happen. He couldn’t get paid because he wanted more than he was worth.

          Could you name a top 20 safety outside of Polamalu who is over 30? Secondary players falling off as they age is very real and it happens often.

          3rd on what? Best FA safeties? uhhh Whitner, Bethea, Clemons, Wright, Delmas, the list goes on..

          • anon

            Rhodes 2012 season stats match up with Whitner’s stats. Could he have totally fallen off? Maybe but i’d be willing to see what his number would be, especially considering he knows the system. Plus our D probably looks more attractive for vets than it did last year.

    • OldDocRoss

      I’m guessing it’s because your first sentence sort of set it up, but for whatever reason when I speed read this my mind transposed two of the letters in your hashtag and……..I don’t think most of us have even *met* Terry.

  • Max Lightfoot

    As others have posted, it obviously depends on free agency and what happens with Maclin and Cooper. I think the Eagles sign a starting safety, not necessarily a star like Byrd or Ward, but someone who can actually compete at the NFL level (not that there’s good safeties hanging off trees).

    Then I think Chip and Howie draft a big wideout in Round 1 and a lineman (maybe D-line or possibly even another O-lineman) or a TE in Round 2, which may drive fans insane but Chip will draft for offense, IMO. Then they can address the other defensive holes/craters. I just don’t see the Eagles draft early for defensive needs as so many draft gurus say they will. So much is gonna ride on the FA period.

    FWIW, I think Maclin will probably come back and have a good year, but he’s not a big WR and because that knee is suspect I think durability is a major issue. Having gone through some painful knee issues the past year, I wince at the thought of Jeremy getting slammed by a big LB. But he’s still better than Cooper (and I do like Cooper).

  • Tom W

    so w our team defense as a two gap 3-4 and barwin as a long term olb starter — do we want another jack of all trades like a Van Noy or too a lesser extent Christian Jones or more of a pure edge rusher (but situational pass rusher too start) like a dee ford or Atta-Boy or Marcus Smith ….. If the key to running this defense really effectively is deception, wouldn’t another Barwin-type like KVN really confuse the hell out of the opposing qb because they have no idea who is going to rush each and every down (besides obviously nickel help in coverage or extra bltizer)
    Or is it more important to have a better pure edge rusher like a von miller type — ie dee ford or to a lesser extent atta-boy or marcus smith …. to make up for Barwin’s lack of pass rushing ability and to ensure atleast one guy is getting to the qb??? But at that point aren’t we really running a 4-3 under because the one olb is rushing alot more than the other guy
    I think I fall on the side of deception/scheme flexibility like the patriots succeeded with on its superbowl teams … you never really knew which 3-4 olb was rushing or covering and they could all rush and cover well enough …
    But on the other hand, didn’t those great pittsburgh 3-4 teams always have one stud pass rushing olb like Greene, Lloyd, Harrison, Woodley who was more of an edge rusher than the other lb?
    I guess ideally you want guys who can do it all but certainly can get to the qb consistently … and the argument for the eagles is we are too predictable currently with who is rushing and our edge rusher doesn’t get there enough anyway (cole). So people would take a stud edge rusher over the all around guy to cement that great edge rush at all cost. I think you could fall into the trap that the other team can scheme for that guy … whereas two barwin types presents the qb with a serious problem of not knowing who is coming ….. and that was Chip’s entire reason for going to the 3-4 … same reason Brady and Manning say the deception is what slows them down the most (aside from obvious great pass rushes – giants/seattle)
    Great so I still don’t know. I guess if we can get a edge rushing beast (like a von miller) you take that guy over the all around guy. Problem is who knows how often von miller types pop up ….. obviously i’m debating a dee ford vs KVN or atta-boy v KVN or atta-boy/marcus smith vs christian jones decision. and yes I also realize we could eventually push KVN or Christian inside and on nickel and that gives them added value.

    • RIP illa

      Wow. Nice by-myself-meeting. You already answered yourself. If Barwin was more of a threat to rush, or rather was actually effective as a rusher, then yeah you draft the all around guy and go for deception and disguise. But he’s not, so I say go w/ the guy that can get to the QB. Davis’ deception and disguises won’t mean ish if the QB has all day to throw.

      And no that doesn’t turn us to an 4-3 under D, cuz each if our DL will still be primarily using 2 gapping, as their main responsibility. But if you really want to get the best of both worlds…then you get your pure rusher as an OLB, and then you get KVN or Jones in the second as your MLBs!!! Both KVN and Jones can play the middle or move to the outside for scheme flexibility, and that would greatly disguise who’s the Mike for opposing QBs. And could give some interesting drops or blitzes for our OLB.

      I disagree w/ Manning or Brady being slowed down by deception. Sure sometimes it may work, but the best way to beat them is to, if a team is fortunate enough, have a hat on hat and get after them and move them off their spot and out of their comfort zone. They may even say deception is the best way to beat them, but teams rarely beat them that way. They are too smart and their O schemes take all that into account. Gotta throw off their timing and the receivers timing.

      • Tom W

        Good stuff.

      • Tom W

        Yea makes sense … Name of the game is sack differential and disrupting the qb … The great equalizer.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I don’t see KVN as a Barwin type. I see him as a highly athletic LB that excels at exploding off the edge, blitzing up the middle & dropping back into coverage. His weakness is that he’s good/not great at setting the edge on run downs. Most likely due to his compact frame. He’s a svelte 245lbs. KVN is a complete LB like Barwin, yes. He’s just much more of an athlete & excels at other areas that Barwin doesn’t because of his speed & quickness. KVN would be my choice over the prototypical one trick ponies that are good pass rushers but “can” drop back if needed and look better as 4-3 speedballers (aka Trent Cole). I want versatility, athleticism, speed & a guy that can make game changing plays on defense. That’s Kyle Van Noy.

      • Richard Colton

        I like KVN too. If he’s the first guy the Eagles take in the draft (not necessarily at #22) I’m fine with it. There’s a spot for him right away at ILB and OLB. Just don’t think we could ever hope for double digit sacks from him – which is fine, as long as we get some pass rush from someplace.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          See that’s where we differ. I think he can be a double digit sack guy. LTs would have a very hard time containing him because he’s not only fast of the edge, he’s elusive & able to break free. I’m not quite sure I’d want to pigeon hole him into ROLB though as we would have to do with the likes of a Ford, Smith or Attaochu. KVN could play ROLB, flip with Barwin, spell Ryans in base or be your 5th DB or blitzer in nickel. What he’s not is a guy that does the dirty work. He needs to be moving and flying around using his athleticism. Outside of Kendricks we lack in the speed department up front.

          • Richard Colton

            We both like the guy – I just don’t see his game the same way you do. Good instincts. Solid tackler. Moves well sideline-to-sideline. My issue with KVN filling that predator role is his lack of a burst. No explosive first step. He was swallowed up by the quality LTs he played this year – Zack Martin in particular.

  • Bob

    How would you guys like something like this
    Rd1: Trade up to around 12th pick giving up our 1st,5th and maybe a 6th next year or Brandon Graham. We draft Anthony Barr
    Rd2: Deone Bucannon S, Wash St.
    Rd3: Stan Jean-Baptiste CB, Nebraska
    Rd4: Martavis Bryant WR, Clemson
    Rd5: Aaron Colvin CB, Oklahoma
    Rd7: Colt Lyerla TE, Oregon
    Undrafted free agent- Isaiah Crowell RB, Alabama St./ Georgia(freshman year)
    I think this fills a lot of our holes such as OLB, S, CB depth, a big WR and then some high potential guys on the back end.

    • Tom W

      Moving up 10 spots in first round costs 420 pts per the draft chart on top of the 22d pick. adding a 5th and next years 6th (basically a 7th) amounts to 70 pts. We would get laughed at. even if someone views graham as a 4th (100 pts) we still way off by atleast 250 pts … Doing what you ask costs atleast our first and second this year (and honestly probably a fifth too).

    • Tom W

      I like the guys you listed except Baptiste would be concerned we didn’t address the oline or ilb positions — two of the most aging parts of our team. I’d rather hold our picks or get more. deepest draft in 30 yrs some say .. picks will be valuable. Say Barr falls to 18 then that would only cost us a fourth (or 5th and graham) … than yes I would live with that trade

  • Chris Jones

    The more I think about Van Noy the more I want him here. I would love Pryor with the first pick don’t get me wrong but unless we trade up it’s very unlikely he last’s until 22. Van Noy is versatile and outstanding in pass coverage which is what Kelly likes and this organization needs most. 2014 with Van Noy, Kendricks, and Ryans back there would be a scary thought for opposing offenses.