Weekend Reading: Vick’s Market

Mike Vick and LeSean McCoy keep loose on the sideline.
A few links to pass along. Hope everyone is having a good weekend (complete with power).

Judy Battista of NFL.com spoke with an NFL exec about the prospects of Michael Vick landing a starting job.

One NFL personnel executive said teams undoubtedly will rate Vick the best of a middling quarterback free-agent market — one likely to include Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel and Mark Sanchez — and the exec said he would rate him as a mid-tier starting quarterback, somewhere between 13 and 16. In a league with 32 teams, that’s better than half.

“There are too many teams that are in need of an upgrade for him not to be looked at as a starter,” the personnel executive said. “I could see a team signing him, and developing a young guy. Vick could be a very good bridge starter for two to three years.”

Andrew Brandt over at MMQB says now is the time when teams’  draft boards are getting put together.

In the player evaluation business, February is when scouting staffs gather to combine their work from the past seven months. It is now, at the height of winter, when vital and lasting evaluations of players are applied toward potential selection in May. While there are always surprise showings at the Combine and at pro days, those performances merely adjust, not re-write, evaluations prepared in the thousands of man-hours teams have already allocated to the process.


February also is the time of year when teams put together The Board...

Teams assemble The Board in different ways, but the most common configuration is grouping player cards—which feature all measurable attributes—by position and separated by rounds.  As you read this, player cards are being affixed to The Board according to a team’s evaluators, perhaps not to be touched again until draft day when the player is selected.

And finally, NFL.com's Marc Sessler gives his offseason forecast for the Eagles.

With ample cap room to play with, the Eagles likely will try to churn the bottom of this roster continually all spring and into summer. Roseman is on record saying that Philly will add talent through the draft with a "best player available" philosophy, meaning that May could bring a surprise or two -- even at the quarterback position.

Kelly deserves plenty of credit for what he accomplished this season with a roster he largely inherited. With another draft haul and round of free-agent signings, his plan will crystalize further, and we expect the Eagles to go into next season as the favorites to win this down-and-out division.

  • Maggie

    I like the reminder that the “Board” has been worked and reworked for months already. There are some who seem to think it gets done in a couple of days, without input from a single scout, or suggestions from colleagues in other cities or leagues. Just the GM looking at names and deciding to pick a player based on the color of his eyes. Or something. It’s good to remember this is a team sport, including in the Front Office.

    • GEAGLE

      I don’t know what Andrew Brandt is talking about! TODAY, I’m under the impression that no one has a draft board yet. Heck, earlier this week Bill Polian was making fun of the mock draft industry saying that teams won’t even but a big board together til April, and that Febuary and march is more intel gathering, and positional rankings and Teams actually don’t even set their draft boards til really late in the process. which kind of makes sense considering their is still so much vital information that hasn’t been collected yet. So I’m not sure what Brandt is trying to say,,,
      ,ll,
      Kiper brilliantly created this industry to help quench of maniacle fanatical thirst for football during the offseason, but in reality it’s complete BS…like I rip Kiper and guys for being innacurate but that fact of the matter is we are all just guessing. I may rip Kiper for being inaccurate but he couldn’t possibly be accurate:
      ..
      Franchises will hire former FBI guys to run security and background checks on prospects, Kiper and fans can’t possibly be privy to all that Intel
      ..
      There isn’t one universal system teams use for grading prospects, every franchise values different criteria for grading prospects
      ..
      Kiper and fans aren’t privy to the interview process which matters.
      ..
      Kiper and fans also aren’t privy to the in depth Physical, and wrist measurements, knee cap measurements all types of whacky stuff
      ..
      We aren’t privy to talking to a prospects former coaches, team mates, equipment managers, cafeteria ladies..

      Not to mention teams go all CIA this time of year,,everything is either a secret, or planting counter intelligence, and I bet on some level, Kiper and insiders like him are at a disadvantage because their “connections” will often feed them counter intelligence, and use Kiper….So, I feel like the most accurate draft intel you can really get is from like an obsessed AMATUER scout, who will put in Toms of hours watching tape, know what to look for on tape, maniacle gathers all the combine and whatever intel is available, and forms his own opinion without his thoughts being tainted by “inside connections” trying to use him to spread counter intelligence..
      ..
      Even if you have a really really good understanding of the draft class, teams needs, the prospects, just mocking the first 10 picks is so damn hard, and it’s often a case of 1 mistake in your mock, completely throws off the rest of it…so In reality. We can’t even judge this industry and it’s analysts on how accurate their predictions are because it’s just not possible to predict how the draft unfolds. Not to mention Trades are like taking a gernade to your mock
      ….
      Just watch this years draft. Everyone try their hardest to get a great understanding of each teams needs, and an understanding of the best 20 draft prospect and then go and try Mock the first 20 picks.. If 100 of us were to try, I don’t even think anyone would guess more then 5 out of 20 right.,It’s pretty much impossible, yet millions are completely addicted to it..crazy phenomenon…Kiper is like AN Idiot savant..
      ..,
      What type of money do people think Kiper has made off of creating this addictive industry? Serious question, cuz I have no idea.

      Like you think Kiper has like 40million in his bank account? Or like 2million? No idea what to think

      • cliff henny

        doubt he’s all that wealthy. first, espn is known not to pay. Chris Berman is the only guy who got any money. oberman and patrick pretty much hated him by time they first left since he got the lion share. they went out to get their’s. bet both are worth more since leaving espn. still see erin andrews and michelle beadles chasing money. sure it’s better now, but nothing crazy. 2nd, what other source would he have? he’s not gettin commercials or major tv crossover. litte video game voice work. doubt he’s getting nfl money. i sure wouldnt pay him if i ran a team, couldnt 100% trust him to protect information. 40m seems ridiculous, 2m, seems low but i’ll bet in that 5m range. still, nice fat account for something that’s free nowadays.
        .
        man, can google anything. http://www.celebritynetworth.com/dl/mel-kiper-net-worth/

        • Johnny Domino

          5M will buy a lot of hair products.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I didn’t think it was crazy 40 mil money, just curious..
          ..
          Now that We talking money, Mr Cliff, Riddle me this…I’m going to list two options, A and B..I would love to get your opinion on which is cheaper, and the financial discrepancy between the two…
          .,
          Option A) Paying to sign Nate Allen and Chris Clemons, paying Wolffs on his rookie deal and slashing Chung’s pay to 2mil per year

          Or
          ..
          Option B) Paying for Jarius Byrd, Paying Wolff on his rookie deal, Drafting a rookie in Round 3 of this draft(payng him 3rd round money), and slashing Chung’s pay to 2mil per year

          ??? What do you think Mr. Anti jerry Jones?

          • Dr Rick

            Wha? Both options keep Chung? I’m not seeing that, but I’ve been wrong before.

          • GEAGLE

            Unfortunately Chung will be here. We aren’t replacing 4 safeties in one offseason…by the way Chung is actually a good ST player.. he will act as a 4th safety(super emergency)’while leading our ST…btw, not many teams have a better 4th safety than Chung and I hate the guy

          • Dr Rick

            Gentlemen’s bet? Loser buys the beer at next season’s Bird-Seahawk game?
            Don’t get me wrong. I like him from Oregon days but he has lost speed and that shoulder is a recurrent problem.

          • GEAGLE

            Sure…I actually despise Chung, and can’t wait til he is no longer on the roster, unfortunately I don’t get to decide his future, so I’m saying what I expect our FO will do, Not what I would do…

            If I had a magic wand. I would make Nate Allen still be under contract with Chung’s expiring and going into FA…but just so happens that Colt,Kurt and Nates contracts expired! and Chung is the one that’s under contract. Truth be told! I think all 4 should be replaced, with Wolff being the only one that has a future here..I just don’t believe we will get 4 new safeties in one offseason, so I expect our front Office to make him take a pay cut, focus on leading our Special Teams, and keeping him for a year as a deep emergency in case Wolff a has a sophmore slump or the rookie safety we draft is taking longer to get adjusted to the NFL game….but I would absolutely LOVE to be WRONG about this, and see us kick Chung to the curb and get 4 new safeties this offseason. if I don’t have to see Chung on this team any more I will be happy to be the beers lol
            ..,
            Did Chung’s time at Oregon cross paths with Wards time at Oregon? I know Chung was there when Byrd was a Duck, but I’m not sure about TJ ward

          • Dr Rick

            Yes, Ward was there 2004-2008 and Chung 2005-2009. Knee and ankle injuries kept Ward from the limelight somewhat.
            FWIW, Chung was very solid and a hard worker at Oregon. Whatever his faults, I doubt work ethic is part of it. I just think he has lost a step and was never really fast, and his shoulder has kept him from being the stopper he was at Oregon.
            4 improved safeties is a lot to ask, you’re right. If we can improve significantly at all I will be reasonable happy.

          • anon

            Wonder how hard it could be to replace COlt and Curt — is being good at ST really that hard?

          • NickS1

            I’ve heard that the most likely to return would be Allen.

          • GEAGLE

            I could live with Colt but would be disappointed if any are brought back to be honest you. It’s a mistake to overvalue our own players. And any time a contract expires it’s an opportunity to upgrade without eating dead money. I do not like Chung. I cried the day after we signed him cuz Pollard was released lol.. But it truth is, that as an emergency safety, chung is much better then Colt and Kurt, and Chung has had some really huge ST performances for the Pats. If we let him focus on leading ST, he would be just as good as Colt, if not better. Not many teams have a 4th safety who is better than Chung. Teams barely have two decent safeties these days.
            ..
            Of course, for Chung to be moved into that role, he can’t continue making 3.5million. His pay needs to be slashed. To 1.5-2m,per year. What was Colt making? Chung’s pay should be a little higher than what Colt was making because Colt isn’t even a real emergency safety. Colt is as much a safety as Dorenbos is a LB…Chung may not be a good safety, but he is a safety….if Chung has a good bounce back year in his new role! and he accepts his Colt like niche going forward! he could have a future, worst case he is just a stop gap depth til we draft another safety in 2015

          • GEAGLE

            Who said that?

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you for the intel kind sir

          • GEAGLE

            Figuring Clemons gets 24-32mil(6mil per year), Nate gets 15-22mil (4-5mil per year)..Wolff makes 500k, 3rd round draft pick gets like 700k..Chung gets 1.5-2mil per

          • anon

            Why doesn’t the first option include a draft pick as well? My problem with option b is what happens if Byrd gets injured?

          • GEAGLE

            Same thing that would happen if Clemons or Nate got injured in option A…a young kid would fill his shoes. In option B, a young kid is drafted to compete with Wolff to start along side Byrd, if Bryd gets hurt, the loser of the Wolff competition steps in and replaces Byrd. Chung is on The roster just because 3 safeties is difficult enough to replace in one offseason, 4 is a little much. Since Chung is under contract we make the most of him, slash his pay to reflect him relegated to ST leader, and DEEP emergency safety, in case we suffer multiple injuries at the position, OR an injury requires early in the season, and the rookie isn’t yet ready to be thrown into the fire….
            ..
            We will most likely carry 5 safeties again, and I didn’t list the 5th, but in both options I would assume the 5th will be either A) Colt Anderson cheap veteran who is just another ST piece B) a 6th, 7th, Undrafted kid who came into the league sometime between 2011-2014. This kid is probably a good ST player, long shot safety, but still young enough to where he has some untapped potential for the coaches to work with. This could be a rookie, could be signed from practice squad, could be player for player swap that Howie likes…

        • NickS1

          Damn, Mel Gibson is worth 425!

    • NickS1

      Girls pick fantasy teams the same way and end up winning leagues. It’s a proven method that gets results.

    • Maggie

      Howie R. already stated, at least 2 weeks ago, that they had started with around 600 players but had already whittled that down to around 300 and would shortly cut that number about in half soon.

  • Matt

    The combine is more about height, weight, hand-size, and the interviews than anything else, especially for teams like the Eagles that value measurables and have very specific qualifications for each position. A 40-time is not going to change a prospects position on the board (unless youre in Oakland’s front office), but it may force teams to go back and examine the tape of an relatively unknown prospect further.

  • Andy124

    Saw this over at BGN. Thought I’d share it here.

    • GEAGLE

      The Rainmaker!!!!!!

      • BrickSquadMonopoly

        Honestly I tried not too like Foles but as an Eagles fan it was kind of inevitable. You cant not like everything about this kid AND hes a class act. With that said I don’t believe Chip sees him as his guy but hes going to have one hell of an NFL career.

        • GEAGLE

          Haha ok

        • GEAGLE

          “I tried not to like FOles”?????? Hahahahahahaha ok

    • addicted2mula

      I think ill watch this every day

    • dollamakeuholla

      Great Video…. However it just further shows that it just wasn’t in the stars for us this year when i watch every unbelievable catch that Riley Cooper made and he drops that “gimme” in the saints game! Well i thought i was over it but just shows i need more help in getting through this!

    • Joe Jones

      “That’s my quarterback”

    • NickS1

      This is a rather long highlight reel of a QB who only throws check downs because he can’t make all of the throws, turns it over often, and will never amount to more than a good backup.

      • cow_eats_beef

        Your talking about nick foles when you say “turns it over a lot” LOL 19 touchdowns – 0 ints that’s one away from the NFL record get real, foles may not be a legend but he is for sure a solid starter

        • NickS1

          My post was pure sarcasm.

    • ojdiddoit

      yea hes got no arm

    • Clamdigger

      Other than Roethlisberger, I don’t know who makes better throws on the run. Maybe Wilson?

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    I think the combine is also about sitting down with the players and just talking. For many, it’s the first face to face meeting and the first time one sees the personality that goes along with the talent.

    • anon

      Someone was saying that Pete Carroll was great at this — probably b/c he spent all that time in college recruiting, and that it really makes players want to play in Seattle (though the SB helps).

  • Johnny Domino

    A bottom dweller team that needs some wins and wants to fool the fanbase into thinking that they are really trying without dropping a first rounder on a QB could do worse than sign Vick, fill other pressing needs, then get a developmental QB. If the coach is crazy like a fox, you could have the two of them split reps with the ones in camp (call it a competition”) so that when Vick goes down, the other guy can step in, less than totally cold.

    • anon

      Who you taking, Vick or Schaub? you act like there’s a million capable QBs in the league.

      • Johnny Domino

        I’m not even sure Shaub leaves Houston, but I’d parlay Vick and Taj Boyd or someone of his ilk in the later rounds and fill some other spots whilst buying myself at least a year.

        • anon

          yeah, schaub handling getting fired better than vick. schaub got kubiak fired.

          • Maggie

            No, Kubiak got Kubiak fired.

        • GEAGLE

          If I’m Vick, I would pray for TB or Minnesota, but probably settle on Oakland,,.
          .,
          Vick can win more games for the Vikings and Bucs then he can for the Raiders. But Glennon could be much improved like FOles in year two..no matter who signs Vick, they would do so hoping their young QB is ready to unseat him ASAP. Vick could probably keep his job longer into the season in Oakland with Pryor and McG…unless they draft Manziel…
          …..
          If Vick has options, I would wait til after the draft to sign with a team…if he is struggling to find decent opportunities, then he might just have to take what he can get instead of the luxury of waiting to see how the draft unfolds

    • Maggie

      Hmm. This scenario sounds rather familiar, I must say,

      • Johnny Domino

        It is battle-tested.

  • sdk151

    Hey guys, just wondering if we should make a free-agent/draft combo off season preview super article. Responses are encouraged!

    • Hayward

      YES

    • George

      is that even a question?

      • Richard Colton

        he just threw raw meat at a pack of rabid dogs. Sheil knows what he just did.

        • GEAGLE

          Like someone was going to say no

        • Maggie

          Afraid not.

      • Dr Rick

        What he said!

    • GEAGLE

      Like asking a bunch of addicts if they want a free fix….

    • borntosuffer

      Isn’t the real slim shady supposed to have “mod” next to any of his posts?

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        preach

        • George

          god damn it

    • dollamakeuholla

      considering this is the only link i have to football daily i would like to know why you decided to use your time to type this question when you could have been getting started on this so called “super Article” gets to typing please!!!

    • NickS1

      Love the idea. As something else to consider, and that could span several articles, what about a review of the top 10-15 players at each position in the draft and something similar for FA?

    • Weapon Y

      Hell yes!

    • Sven

      *Thinking*…I’d go with Yes on this one.

    • southy

  • anon

    “Down and out division” ouch. The division has 2 SBs in the last 6 years.

  • GEAGLE

    His gush

    • NickS1

      Heard Mack is going to want Khalil money, who got 6/49 with 28 guaranteed. Kelce getting 5ish doesn’t sound to unreasonable.

      • GEAGLE

        Absolutely…5mil per Kelce is perfectly acceptable..

  • Papa

    Michael Sam come out as being gay I have a strong feeling he ends up an eagle if he falls in to the fifth. I think the combine will be huge for him from an interview standpoint but I’m more interested in his numbers. Could be a steal in the 5th and he will be as motivated to succeed as anyone in the draft

    • GEAGLE

      Did he really? His agent must hate him right now

      • anon

        “Eight NFL executives and coaches anticipate a “significant” draft-day plunge for Missouri OLB Michael Sam after revealing that he is homosexual.

        “Rotoworld draft maven Josh Norris believes Sam has fourth- to
        seventh-round tape.” For the SEC Co-Defensive POTY? Haha

        • GEAGLE

          No, Sam is a legit 3rd-4th round prospect, it actually has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. It’s his size and tweener status that makes him a 4th rounder not his sexual preference….

          It’s sad that this will be drilled into our heads for months by the media. he came out to his team in August and was worried that the media was about to leak it so he wanted to get out in front of the story while he still had the chance…..

          This will 100%’effect his draft status! even tho it shouldn’t. Some franchise won’t care. Some will, and I think most of the teams that do care about it, do so because they have ridiculous joke of a local media….for example, us…I don’t see how we could draft this kid.. Can you imagine all the crap we will be exposed to from hacks like Les Bowan?…there is no reason why this man should be treated any different, and why his sexual preference should effect his draft status, but sadly it will….not in the eyes of all the teams, but definitely some…hopefully this kid won’t lose too much money over this, and a small market like the jaguars draft this kid so he can avoid some of the ridiculous circus crap that the media has planned for him

      • cliff henny

        read article on espn about him, he was half out already. everyone knew, and he didnt hide it. nfl scouts were beating around bush asking him at sr bowl. his childhood was so ridiculously rough, coming out to him was like us getting a drivers license. guy lost couple older brothers in gang wars, had 2 more dissappear with no trace, and 2 younger than him doing serious jail time already. couple gay slurs will be water off duck’s back to this guy.

    • anon

      Yeah that was a terrible move by him and his agent (if his agent didn’t tell him differently), just come out after you get drafted; $ matters.

      That said, great value and i don’t think there would be a problem in our lockeroom. Ironically i feel like he’d have more of a problem in SF than in other places around the league.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        ….except he actually came out last summer.

    • Sven

      He is a 4-3 DE, where does he fit in the Eagles defense ?
      I don’t think they draft him as a project.

  • anon

    Bust Alert. Maybe a trade wouldn’t be crazy (dead money aside).
    The Dolphins are not projecting 2013 No. 3 overall pick Dion Jordan as a 2014 starter.

    Jordan only earned 339 defensive snaps as a rookie, and the Fins don’t expect him to overtake RE Olivier Vernon or LE Cam Wake. Per the Miami Herald, the defensive staff “loves” Jordan’s “tools,” but believes he needs to “add more muscle mass” and “shore up his pass-rush moves.” The Fins seem to think Jordan is a ‘tweener. They’ve made no efforts to switch their scheme to fit him.

    • GEAGLE

      Bust alert? Hahahahahahaha ok

  • GEAGLE

    Clif: How about them TANKadelphia sixers!!, Orlando and ClevelAnd won again..and sixers gave up 70′pointd at halftime and are now down by 50…Tank baby tank

    • cliff henny

      Bucks got put on notice, that was a professional tank-job. once Hawes is moved, i cant even imagine how terrible sixers defense is going to be. not that he’s much inside, but simply nothing else. and the 3-pnt defense is beyond atrocious. seth curry might go for 60 tonight if sixers can keep it close enough he has to log minutes. my guess is these next 3-4 games are going to be ugly, trade rumors have to be wearing on young, hawes and the young guys (no idea about turner, in his own world-was great fun watching him drive against LAC though). Spurs are supposably interested in ET. cant see that…Pop vs ET’s attitude…Pop doesnt have a bench deep enough to bury Turner, he’ll have him sitting in the stands paying for his own ticket.

      • GEAGLE

        Hahahahahahaha “professional tank job” love it! Yeah I don’t see how Pop can sit in the same locker room as ET, which is a shame because Pop could turn him into a decent player, but ET won’t let POP “break him down” to “build him back up”

        • Andy124

          So what are we going to get for Turner?

  • anon

    Sheil / Tim / Everyone. Can we get PFF grades for Eagles players — especially FAs that we got last year and rookies and for the rookies how they compare to other rookies?

    • GEAGLE

      Why…PFF grades are misleading