Wake-Up Call: Barkley And the Chin Strap

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Chip Kelly regularly held quarterback competitions during his time at Oregon. He did the same in his first year on the job in Philadelphia. Kelly was asked if  that process is no longer needed considering Nick Foles established himself with a monster 2013 season.

“No, there’s always competition, and I think you can ask Nick that, too,” said Kelly.  “I think everybody kind of feeds off of that, and they understand that.  And then if you also have a guy that’s not competing to be the starter with Nick, then what if Nick gets hurt and then all of a sudden the other guy goes, ‘Oh, my God, I’m not ready to play because I thought Nick was going to be the guy.’  It’s a cliché, but you are a chin strap away from playing in this league and when your opportunity comes, you have to take advantage of that.”

A chin strap away. That’s one of the more frequently-used Chipisms, as Kelly often talks about the need to have two good quarterbacks on your roster in the NFL. One of the significant questions facing the Eagles this offseason is whether Matt Barkley can be the man to push Foles in camp, and step in capably if the situation arises.

The early returns on the Eagles’ 2013 draft class are encouraging. Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz, Bennie Logan and Earl Wolff all contributed in their rookie seasons. That’s four of the top five picks that made an impact in their first year. The one selection missing from that group is Barkley. The fourth-round pick out of USC got tossed into a couple tough spots this season and struggled, throwing four picks on just 49 pass attempts (Foles, in contrast, had two interceptions on 317 regular-season attempts.)


"I don't think it was that drastic of a change but little things here and there that you're used to in college, being able to lead guys and fit balls into windows, they're just different now," said Barkley of the transition to the pro game. "The little bit of experience I got helped but obviously you want more than that so you come back with a normal offseason this year with your team and get ready to learn and progress even more."

Barkley is very much looking forward to this "normal offseason" where he can focus on his craft rather than getting ready for the "meat-picking combine that we had last year." The 23-year-old wasn't even able to participate in that combine because of a lingering shoulder injury.  He later admitted that the shoulder affected him this spring and summer as he tried to keep pace with Foles and Michael Vick. He couldn't.

Vick is hoping to land a starting job elsewhere, meaning the No. 2 slot may very well be up for grabs. Barkley, now at full health and better versed in Kelly's offense,  is the early favorite for the role.

"Matt was awesome, and that's the other guy, I think, I'm excited to get a full offseason with Matt in here to really get a chance to work with him because I think he's got a skill set that's exciting when you see him, how the ball comes out of his hands, the decisions that he makes, and that's part of this whole deal," said Kelly.

"I think you can never have enough quarterbacks.  I've said that no matter where I was.  In this league, we were fortunate that we had two this year, and that was a huge benefit to us that we had two, and we'll continue to always look at quarterbacks, and I think anybody that's any good in this league always does that."

Backup quarterbacks are  like insurance policies: you never know how valuable they are until you need them. That's why Kelly likes to get two ready by having his quarterbacks go head-to-head in camp.

"One of the things we do here is we compete and we have a bunch of guys that compete," said Kelly.  "Obviously you've got to have one guy.  Right now, Nick is that one guy, but I don't think Nick has ever been afraid of competition.  He showed me that the first time we had that."

"I hope that's the case every year," said Barkley of the prospects of an open competition. "It always keeps you on your toes and never lets you get complacent."

WHAT YOU MISSED

Just how different will the wide receiver corps look in 2014? Kapadia and I debate.

Will the Eagles make a splash in free agency? Sheil takes a look.

Keyshawn Johnson changes his grade for Kelly. 

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING 

President Don Smolenski told the Inquirer that the Eagles may make a bid to host a Super Bowl if all goes well Sunday.

“If it goes well, that’s definitely a possibility,” Smolenski said when asked if the Eagles would try to bring the Super Bowl to Philadelphia.

“We’re very proud of Lincoln Financial Field. We do think it’s a great facility, and we think over the years that’s been evident. It would be a sense of pride. Philadelphia is a world-class city with world-class facilities, and it’s a great sports town. It would be a chance to showcase Philadelphia on an international stage.”

Andrew Kulp of the 700 Level takes a look at a couple free-agent QBs who could be signed for a reserve role.

Ideally, it would be somebody with upside, but those types of player are lacking. San Francisco’s Colt McCoy is one of the few available under 30 with any pedigree to speak of. A third-round pick by the Browns in 2010, McCoy has never been given much of a chance in the NFL.

The Eagles could be in a position to take a flyer on disgraced quarterback Josh Freeman as well. The ‘09 first-round pick was cut by Tampa Bay mid-season in a messy divorce and quickly scooped up by the Vikings to no success. But if Philadelphia was able to rejuvenate Vick’s career, why not Freeman’s?

COMING UP

Our offseason outlook series continues as we put a spotlight on the safety position.

  • Tikkit

    If Foles is a chin strap away from say…Josh McCown, I don’t have an issue. Colt doesn’t have a great or even good arm and Freeman may be the next Dante Culpepper, good for a couple of years and then falling apart.

    • OldDocRoss

      A very, very, very, very poor man’s Daunte maybe. Dude was awesome for a couple years. Freeman, not so much.

      I kinda figure if they don’t deem Barkley good enough to be a viable #2 next year we may as well move on but Chip sounds high enough on him that he’d be happy going with Foles and Barkley plus A. N. Other. If a decent project falls into our lap in the draft great, if not just pick up a low price vet to fill the #3 spot.

      • anon

        id like to see if we could rehab freeman, but he’d never get in on game day so hard to flip. McCown had Foles-like numbers can’t believe he won’t start somewhere (he’s old i guess)

      • Richard Colton

        Culpepper to Moss was a thing of beauty for a year or so – made their offense look unstoppable.

  • Bullwinkle

    Matt will be a positive surprise this year.

    • anon

      bar’s so low at this point

  • NickS1

    Mark Barkley didn’t look good in his limited game action this past season. In fact, when you look at the numbers, it looked pretty bad. However, I don’t think that’s the real case with him. I think he showed some things in his play that looked good. I thought he had some poise and confidence in his game, and he was willing to let it rip. We have to remember, as the #3, he wasn’t exactly getting a ton of reps thrown his way. I hope he gets the backup job so we can see him develop. The shoulder is healed up finally and he has a better grasp of the system, and seems like the kind of guy that’s willing to be coached and get better any way he can. I think he can develop and turn into a viable starting option here or a great trade asset.

    Admittedly, this is a change from the stance I had when we drafted him. And as much as I love to rip on him for ruining our TO margin single-handedly, there were some things to like about his game.

    • George

      I hope he gets some pt next year, dazzlrs, and we can flip him for 2-3 rd pick next year…that’t be ideal

      • NickS1

        I’d love to see him have a Week 17 Matt Flynn type game and GMs start salivating.

        • anon

          Seems like only place Flynn can play well is GB

          • NickS1

            Agreed, also happens to be the place with the best skill position players around him.

    • evanphilly

      Could say that Foles looked bad in his games back in 2012 and look what happened. Not easy for a rook to come right in and be asked to lead a comeback win. May have been better if Barkley started over Vick against the NYG instead of the backup role.

      • anon

        Foles thew some tds / won that TB game which for me made me think he was the future.

        • theedevilsadvocate

          during foles preseason games as a rookie i was yelling out and posting #folesisthefuture! the future starts now!!!!!!!!! lol yea i didnt have the same reaction watching barkley in his rookie preseason campaign

          • anon

            Yeah i can understand why Vick was rushing back before he was healthy.

      • NickS1

        I actually don’t think Foles looked bad at all when context is taken into consideration. Mistakes were made, sure, but he was a rookie….. We both know Barkley was never going to get the nod for the NYG game with Vick claiming he was healthy.

      • theedevilsadvocate

        foles led a comeback win against the bucs last year as a rookie looked way better in his limited time than barkely did this year. in the preseason last year and in replacemetn of vick foles looke better than barkley IMO. i know we have a limited sample on barkley and im not saying he cant get any better but comparing the two id say foles definitley has the edge and looked way better as a rookie than barkley did.

        • evanphilly

          Barkley had 7 quarters of limited time as opposed to Foles who had 6+ games to work with (the Bucs game was his 4th start), so yeah, Foles of course would have looked better. Still didn’t stop a majority of the fanbase from ripping on him because of his record on those games.

          Yes, in the pre-season Foles and Vick both had work with the first team, so I think its natural that they would both look better than Barkley, who primarily worked with the second/third and practice teamers.

          • theedevilsadvocate

            i meant foles rookie preseason he looke way better than barkley in his rookie preseason.

      • peteike

        does everyone already forget how good he looked in preseason games. Sure they are preseason but you got the idea that there was something there very early on. I just think as Philly fans most took it with a huge grain of salt because of Kolb and some history with the team. Barkleys noodle arm makes Foles look like Elway haha, okay maybe not but you can see the lack of zip. Hopefully the shoulder was the issue there and he gains strength which is one area young QBs can improve.

    • Andy

      Matt Barkley.

      • NickS1

        I know his name. I call him Mark as a joke because that was what Shady called him when he was first asked about the pick.

    • dollamakeuholla

      Mark Barkley! Does he have a brother i don’t know about! LOL…. sorry i had to

    • cliff henny

      barkley got alot better, and easier to support starting about week 9…as Foles played better and the troller king of trolls got quieter and quieter

      • NickS1

        In the long run, it’s possible Dutch’s love for Berkley wasn’t totally off-base.

        • Andy124

          Blind squirrel.

        • cliff henny

          hard to take anything he says about qbs seriously. in same post bashing Foles, he’d be praising Barkley and Geno Smith.

          • Adam

            hard to take anything he says about qbs seriously

          • cliff henny

            he knew his trenches. if you could stay off qbs with him, and barwin, he had some good knowledge.

          • Wilbert31

            Any guesses on who the down-voter to these comments is?

          • cliff henny

            someone who doesnt like we bring up a guy who hasnt posted in 6 months. it’s simply a running joke. all faceless people on here, the bashing of dutch is something besides the eagles we have in common. juvenile, but fun

          • NickS1

            incredibly fun.

          • Wilbert31

            I was just as unnerved as anyone with the Dutch-man, so I enjoy the juvenile fun. I just hate that you can’t see the down-voter. Is it Dutch himself or does he actually have an ally????

          • cliff henny

            should be an unwritten law, if you downvote, should have to post a reply. unless it’s trolling.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            he’s the 2nd worst qb-scouting troll out there

  • cheapmeat

    I don’t want a Super Bowel in Philly, unless the Eagles are playing in it.

    • OldDocRoss

      Cheap meat can often lead to super bowel issues.

      • NickS1

        Nailed it.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    i agree Matt can improve on the little he did this year and become even better and capable backup.

  • GEAGLE

    Ok…..

  • theycallmerob

    ….how many different times can we regurgitate the chin-strap quote? Feels like the 3rd or 4th article already.
    Ugh, this time of year blows

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah it’s maddening…like wtf am I supposed to write on a Barkley thread? Nothing to do but wait and see

    • Andy124

      Intern’s just a chin strap away from having to write a chin strap post.

      • theycallmerob

        I hope next week Barkley has a “tell-all”, revealing (gasp) that his arm is stronger and he feels more comfortable in his 2nd yr

        • Richard Colton

          or how Bill Lazor was holding him back

          • Andy124

            Hopefully he ends up explaining to us how he’s been the 2nd best QB on the roster all along… behind only Kinne.

    • macadood

      did anyone really figure out what it means even? I understand the context and it kind of makes sense to me but when you think about it it gets a little fuzzy.

      A chinstrap from falling off from Foles’ helmet and him getting helmet yanked off and hurt? A chinstrap falling from the sky and concussing Foles? A chinstrap laying on the ground that Foles slips on like a clumsy giraffe on a banana peel? A chinstrap whacking Foles across the face?

      • Andy124

        Typically, the biggest difference from the guys on the field to the guys on the sideline (at least where I played) was that the guys on the field had their chin-strap buckled and the guys on the sideline didn’t.

      • Jarrod

        I think somebody said it is because chin-straps used to break often so the starter would have to come off the field to get it fixed and the back-up would need to be ready.

        • macadood

          I think that makes the most sense of all the theories i’ve heard so far.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        in HS and college, if a ref sees a player without his chinstrap “strapped”, they are sent off the field.

      • borntosuffer

        I thought it just had to do with the fact that on the sideline your chinstrap is not snapped. I once heard a peewee coach say, “Put your chinstrap on Tommy. You’re in. Drew has to take a leak.”

      • theedevilsadvocate

        ha i think it just means you are a chin strap away from getting in the game as is in strapping the chin strap that holds the helmet on your head up and running on to the field or am i crazy? like when you are not on the field you take your helmet off unstrapping your chin strap then when its time to go back in you strap that bitch back up.

    • reb

      Yeah, this time of year blows, but it’s so much better with this blog. I used to just not read anything until the draft, now we get two or three articles a day? Good way to get a fix.

  • GEAGLE

    I love the draft, but I hate the draft…I’m always in love with too many prospects, not enough picks smh…

    I’d be so damn tempted to draft Calvin Pryor in round 1 and Deon Buchanon in round two(btw Deone has 3 INTs against Chip Kelly coached Oregon)
    ..
    But to draft two safeties at the top of your draft would mean passing on some serious WR prospects and pass rush.. I guess theoretically we could target Orakpo, who had a better year then people think, but OLB is a position we need to get younger at(DL is where we could use a veteran).. I’m a defensive dude, but I’m starting to worry.. I just don’t know how Chip can see physical specimens like Benjamin and Evans on his board and call a defenders name…

    Spending money on a safety we can count on is the key to this entire offseason. We can improve so much in this draft if we aren’t forced to draft a safety early..

    NEED MORE DRAFT PICKS!!! Problem is I don’t know how we realistically go about getting more…sigh

    If we have another two drafts like the past two, we will be a league JUGGERNAUT in 2015

    • Andy124

      How many draft picks would you like?

      All of them.

  • GEAGLE

    last year, I did pretty darn well predicting the FA we would target and sign, but I keep looking at this years list trying to figure out who we will target, and I just keep drawing Blanks. Frustrating

    • anon

      Not many names out there this year. Could be better given our approach but it’s hard to know if FAs there are trash or not. Sure one of the bloggers will give us more info on who is out there and how they rank. Hopefully they grab DT, OLB, SS but think you go to FA to find starters and i think we are pretty happy where we are given what’s out there now.

      Hopefully there will be some good cap casualties around as well.

      • GEAGLE

        like, we don’t have starting spots available for FA signing, and I can’t see young players coming off rookie deals lining up to sign on as backups. A kid like pats ILB Spikes is going to get starting offers..We could target CBs browner or Thurmond but WTF is the point? They won’t do much better then Cary and Brad if they get NO safety support.

        OLB market is non exsistent, too expensive and it’s a position we need to get younger at…Benny Logan helped free up a lot of money? we wanted a starting Vet like RGJ last year, but with Logan emerging! I can’t see us paying 20mil to a veteran DL, but it is a position we could use a veteran at, but it would be a cheap vet, because we will want Logan on the field.

        it’s not a bad market at all…actually it’s probably deeper and better then last years market. For example, I think we are worrying about nothing with coop? there are a lot of BIG sexy Names that will get PAID before teams will even look at Coop:
        Emmanuel sanders
        Jacoby Jones
        Nix
        BOldin
        decker
        Tate
        ..
        And teams that want ST or redzone play will look to other players before Coop:
        James Jones
        McCluster
        Ted Ginn
        Hester..

        All those names will get some type of money, and then there is a monster crop of WR waiting in the draft
        ….
        Wonder if the jets have officially given up on Stephan Hill? I’d give them a late pick to try to rehabilitate his young career. That’s a Big Boy playing WR…

        • anon

          True regarding Hill. Most of the WRs you listed are going back to their current team.

          You make a good point about Logan, i’d rather see him coming off the bench,, but it’s really hard to justify paying someone at this point.

          • GEAGLE

            Coaches will want him on the field. Believe me he played well enough as a rookie for them to want to grow him and keep him as the starter..

            Emmanuel sanders is leaving Pitt
            Golden Tate is leaving, SB teams always lose “names”
            BOldin I assume stays, unless a contender like the Pats tries to pry him away
            Decker is prob gone
            Doubt Giants pay Nix
            Doubt GB retains Jones

          • NickS1

            I’m really curious what Boldin will get on the market. I know he’s old, but I’m just curious. I’d pay him Avant’s salary and cut Avant. He’s certainly an upgrade over Avant, keep the veteran presence, dude’s a workhorse. I know it will never happen. Just a dream. Always loved the way he plays.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I don’t want him here, but agree on everything else. Stand up guy, leaves everything on the field. I mean, the dude broke his face!!!!
            I bet he gets 1 or 2 mil from a “contending” team- SF, NE, maybe even SEA tries to poach him. Pry nothing more than 1 yr.

          • anon

            Yeah think he wants to stay in SF.

          • NickS1

            I know the love for Avant. I share in that sentiment. But if we’re talking about our 3rd/4th receiver, you can’t tell that you couldn’t swap Avant for Boldin at the exact same pricetag, which is in line with the 1 to 2mil you think he gets.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            that’s exactly why Boldin won’t come here; even being older than Avant, he’s more likely to be productive. Why be a #4 WR on a team, seeing limited snaps, in a “mentor” role? He has maybe 1 year left to try and win a ring.
            If we’re keeping an older guy for that veteran role (and the hope they won’t be better than #4 here, behind 3 other WRs, 2 TEs, and 1 RB in targets), may as well be Avant.

          • Explorer51

            I’ve always been a Boldin fan, wanted us to consider him when he wanted to get out of Larry Fitz’ shadow in AZ…but that was five years ago. He did have a pretty damned good year in 2013, even at 33 yo, with 85/1179/7, starting with that monster opening game against GB when he had 13 for 208. But, given his age and receiving style, he’d be best suited for a NE or even a Denver (if they lose Decker); could only imagine what kind of season he’d have with a Manning or Brady.

          • GEAGLE

            Rather have Coop for 3 years, then BOldin for a year. Physical dude is going to get Old soon, plus Coop is MUCH bigger than BOldin. aquan is really only like 6ft..he just plays like a monster

          • NickS1

            Wasn’t talking about Coop v Boldin. Avant v Boldin. Would take B over A.

          • anon

            It’ll be interesting to see if Decker stays with DEN, I think GB pays Jones, he had 14TD catches in 2011, but he’ll probably test market.

          • NickS1

            Sanders is intriguing. Steelers don’t have a ton of room, need to restructure Ben’s contract, I believe, cut some people as well. Heard Ike Taylor will be one of them. Hill is certainly interesting as well.

          • anon

            Half of their defense was born before 1985

          • NickS1

            This is true. Yet, they were still a top unit.

          • anon

            Yeah but they gotta figure out what to do to replace those guys. Also can’t pay them all.

          • NickS1

            Oh, I know. They have little to no depth at all. They have had some of the worst drafting since like ’08. Doesn’t help that every good OL they draft gets killed by injuries.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            ….I know how you feel about Bmore due to your upbringing, but similarly, I have no sympathy for PIT. ever.

          • NickS1

            I do, but I was speaking from a neutral position. They’ve had awful drafts and have paid a ton to retain talent. Not a fan of Colbert at GM.

        • Richard Colton

          Maclin and Benn don’t get hurt preseason – there’s a real chance Cooper gets cut. Amazing how things played out – now the guy is about to cash in.

    • cliff henny

      first,byrd or ward. sign cooper, i flipflop on mac. i’m not 100% he’s being truthful saying he wants back in Philly (and he shouldnt be, negotiating contract-why burn a bridge), especially if cooper and a 1st/2nd rd wr is drafted. on prove-it contract, he needs passes to come his way, there will be other teams who throw alot more and will guarentee him #2 wr targets. he needs health and numbers to parlay in ’15. then kelly, it was often discussed last summer that he might not be thrilled about jax/mac combo, not exactly your physical wrs. as a fan, dont care about any of this, i’m picturing jax, mac, ertz, evans and shady-pinball machine like scoreboard. then get a 3rd string undervalued cb, just like fletcher. out of all the signings, he might be my favorite. literally never heard of the guy. any gm can start at the top of list, go down, toss contracts at the top 5 guys till one says yes, but getting BF’s of the nfl, was a great find by FO. those are the finds Eagles never seemed to get, always the giver. same thing again with OL, find another Barbre, these guys exist.

      • NickS1

        Agree about Fletcher, definitely had to look him up when I heard the name, although, same with Barwin…. The batting average approach is nice, but sometimes you have to swing for the fences. Hopefully Howie turns into the Barry Bonds of GMs when it comes to batting average. Still makes some power moves while hitting on a lot of mid/lower level signings.

        EDIT: Maybe Pujols would have been a better analogy. Don’t need any PEDs in at the NovaCare Complex.

      • Richard Colton

        I think the “prove-it” deal for Maclin is increasingly becoming a fantasy. He and his agent demonstrate to other teams that he’s retained his speed and quickness, I think there’s going to be a team willing to give him a longer deal. I’m with GEAGLE on Cooper though, don’t see how he doesn’t resign.

        The Byrd/Ward thing worries me too. Maybe it just makes too much sense to do it, but we’ve been talking about it forever. If the FO thinks Wolff can be a star…maybe they think they get by with a draft pick or 2nd tier guy. Talk me off the ledge Cliff.

        • theycallmerob

          I think Howie and co. know full well how often they swing and miss at Safety. If they let everyone but Wolff walk, there’s no way they go into ’14 with Wolff and a prospect, whether he’s 1st rd or 5th. Can’t happen. Won’t happen. Must NEVER happen.

          • NickS1

            Can’t happen. Same time, CAN’T have Chung as 3rd safety or, even worse, starting. CAN’T! Have to sign FA or retain Allen, add safety in draft and UFDA.

          • GEAGLE

            I will be nauseous if we bring back nate

          • NickS1

            I will be if we bring back Chung.

          • GEAGLE

            Yous are seriously overreacting if Yous think that Chung isn’t both a BETTER emergency Safety, AND ST player than Coleman. Chung is Dawk at safety compared to Colt, Colt may be a better ST player Tho…

          • peteike

            yous from Northeast Philly? never noticed the yous used before

          • NickS1

            They all suck. Chung’s a better safety than Anderson. Is he better than Coleman at safety? I don’t see anything that screams that he’s Dawk compared to him. Not even close. The marginal differences in ST play aren’t worth the price tag.

          • Jarrod

            I wouldn’t mind having Nate back as the #3 or #4 safety. He’s a veteran now and knows the system. I just don’t want him starting.

          • GEAGLE

            In what fantasy will Nate not get offered a better deal by some other team, and decide on coming back to be this fanbases whipping boy as a 3rd or 4th safety?

          • anon

            Lots of good FA above him, like coop he was TERRIBLE until this year until he was passable (coop obviously made a bigger jump than nate) and there’s good draft prospects. I think it’s hard for nate to get a real deal.

          • GEAGLE

            I gotta stop taking your bait…

          • anon

            Coop wasn’t TERRIBLE before this year, just wasn’t a factor really until this year. Think Nate was good enough to get back, started full year, no injuries and rarely got beat, though he wasn’t “dominant”. Rather he be fighting wolf for 3rd spot. Drop bottom 2 safeties have FA, Nate, Wolff, Draft, Chung.

          • GEAGLE

            Blah blah blah…if Chip came in an ran a similar offense to what Andy had been running with Coop, and if Vick had been a similar QB to FOles these past 3 years, you might have a point about coop…but I don’t care about Coops ability in the traditional sense, in THIS offense, with THIS QB, he WORKS!!! Btw, our WR coach LOVES him, as does our QB, so you might as well learn to Love him. dude even lined up as TE for us this year, can’t wait to see him year 2 in this offense with an even more surgical FOles leading him…Coop THERE IT IS!!! Get used to it now, or you are just going to be dissapointed

          • anon

            Coop was just a point of comparison – to say guys can improve in new schemes.

          • cliff henny

            i dont get it. Allen is getting #2 mid to low end starters money. safety play is that bad. he’s not coming back on a prove-it deal. chung sucks as a safety, but not as a special teamer. we just didnt get to see it. he’s paid for, would mind little cut in pay for spite, but that’s not great business. as 4th safety, behind byrd, wolff, draft pick, let chung go crazy on ST, and never ever see field as safety, that works.

          • GEAGLE

            People are just nuts. Nate will be brought in to start for someone. Teams without top safeties just reshuffle them every few years,,and NONE of us should be happy with Nate mediocrity.
            ..
            I laugh at people scoffing at Chung. Would love to see how much they would be clamoring For Coleman if he played all of Chungs snaps this year..Yous think Chung is bad? Wait til Yous get another glimpse of Coleman in extended snaps..Yous will be begging for Chung. Restructure his deal, lead ST, play an emergency role until mid season when a rookie will be ready to be our #3…
            ..
            Id rather have Chung’s contract expiring and Nate under contract!but I don’t have a magic wand. This is the hand we are dealt and the best way to play it is restructure his deal, let him lead our ST, while we still worry about finding 3 new safeties to add. Coleman and Nate have to go? We can’t reward mediocre Nate! and tiny! bite on everything Coleman

          • GEAGLE

            Ward
            Wolff
            Buchannon (played 3 years of ST)
            Chung (concentrate on Leading our ST)

            Tired of jerkin around and trying to constantly pray our safeties hold up. Our defense takes a MAJOR leap if safeties go from major Liability to strength

          • NickS1

            Like the first three, but at 3.25, rather eat the mil in dead money and keep Coleman or Anderson.

          • GEAGLE

            Nah,,rather restructure, add years, spread that money out, and turn him into Colt Anderson and our new emergency, emergency, emergency safety. people forgot what a ST player Chung was..hE was a BEAST, and I have a hard time thinking his shoulder was healthy, when Cary and Brad had to step up to play ST late in the year instead of Chung….seems like a good team guy, do whatever is asked of him. If he wants to stay let him restructure…crap on Chung all we want, but not many teams would have a better 4th safety then Chung, and he is so much better than Coleman or Colt

          • NickS1

            He’d have to take 1.5 or less for me to be okay with it. He’s terrible, and he’s not “so much” better than Coleman. At safety, yes, so much better than Colt, but ST, there’s little difference.

          • GEAGLE

            You are NUTS if you think Colt or Coleman can compare to Chung as a safety. Colt may be a better ST player. Coleman isn’t. but yeah, he don’t get to keep 3 plus mil. it’s not like any other team would honor that deal

          • anon

            Id take allen over chung, chung stays injured so why pay him to sit the bench half the season?

          • cliff henny

            because chung’s already paid for. Allen will want 4-5m signing bonus, that i want to give to cooper and/or safety. lurie has deep pockets, but there is only so much upfront money. to extend peters, he’ll cost upfront money. so will Jax. plus, allen will want years. he isnt worth counting on in 2017. ’13 was his best yr, and he was ‘not as terrible’. i want much better than that

          • anon

            They’ll probably let Allen test, i can’t see anyone taking the bait, i wouldn’t be surprised if they let everyone test — none of the FAs we’ve been discussing are indispensable.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’d take coleman over Chung, or maybe sign Clemons too (or take a waiver on stevie brown). Otherwise, I can definitely work with that.
            (edit)- my other scenario would be Ward, TJ; Ward, Jimmy; and Wolff, plus late rd draft pick/coleman/anderson/udfa. Or, of course, Joyner

          • anon

            Stevie will get paid, he’s a legit safety, don’t think his knees are as bad as phillips’.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            dang….oh well, hope he at least goes to the AFC

          • anon

            If Giants let him test FA he could be a Howie special (you might be right) but given quality of safeties in this league i gotta thing giants try to retain him.

        • cliff henny

          plus, will Eagles be interested in 1 yr rental? he proves-it, not getting resigned, too much money spent of coop and jax and have ’12 class needing paid. get stud in draft, might take him 8 games like Ertz, but in end, better for team building. plus, hand it off 55% because they’re 20 at halftime.
          .
          they’ll get one. 1 player-NNo-D- is not rattling Lurie and Howie. think what they really learned is age-jenkins, smith NNo-D, Young were too old and had too big of egos (hence you hear ‘fit’ alot. we dont think barwin and williams as big name free agents, but they were both top 3-5 in their positions as FA last year and didnt have egos. both got serious contracts. c-will 3yrs 18m, and barwin 6yrs 36m-think guaranteed money was somewhere in 25m range. we’re buying mid level guys, these 2 were big name free agents, albeit in a less than stellar class. would you combine those 2 contracts into 1, give it to ward? me…all, especially now, way team is constructed. can still get backup cb and oline.

          • GEAGLE

            There just isn’t much I want in FA, so it’s making little sense to not make the splash And bring Ward to Philly..

          • cliff henny

            if Howie keeps drafting like this, they dont need to sign 7 or 8 guys. in-house business, safety-starter, backup OL-DL-CB, rest is in draft-it’s alot cheaper and control alot more of discovery, like personality and fit

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly..I mean if he adds another 4-5 rookies this year that make an impact as rookies, then there just isn’t even any room for FA’s, and that’s what we should strive for. You spend money on a friggin safety NOW, and it really could be the last Time you even need to spend big money in FA

          • anon

            Our draft looked good b/c our team was such a** especially on defense. Logan started b/c we didn’t have a decent NT, Wolff started bc we have TERRIBLE safeties and chung stayed hurt. So i’m not against upgrading whether in draft of FA.

            We have no OLB depth, no real ILB depth. We play the most D snaps but most of our guys also play EVERY snap, gotta thing that had an effect on our guys by the Saints game.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, i disagree with almost everything. a, logan is 21, will add strength and weight. you are being prisoneer of moment in NO game, even though been told multiple times it was due to nickel and 3 dline is easy to sneak against. but keep broken recording that
            .
            you have no clue about depth of oline, none played, they could be great.
            .
            safety, um, why i’m saying sign byrd/ward. pro bowlers make guys around them better. wolff look decent.
            .
            lb will be addressed in draft.

          • anon

            Logan wasn’t only issue. NO game wasn’t only game where our line got beasted. Did you watch those 3 running TDs in the Vikings game, you think we were in nickel for those QB sneaks against NO? I’m not saying logan is bad, i think he was good for an undersized rookie. But if you have a good/great NT it makes it a lot easier for your ILBs to get pressure, I think Kendricks is better chasing QBs than TEs.

            NT isn’t a position where one guy can play all game, i think even if they took a FA logan could rotate (and continue to play other spots on the line).

          • GEAGLE

            Stop it. Please! You mentioned two games, what about the other 10 where Logan anchored a top 10 running defense playing without those 10lbs he adds this summer? How old are you talking about two games? Decision makers look at the totality of it all, and you will be in for a dissapointment if yon think Logan isn’t our starting NT…argue with me, tell me how I over rate young players! and next year you will just look foolish :)
            ..
            Very bright future!!!

          • anon

            Those are the biggest instances that come to mind. If a 3TD day for a rookie 3rd string RB isn’t enough to get your attention what is?

            We can debate the merits of our top 10 run defense (how many decent running backs did we face, why run when teams passed all over us, look at our 3rd down stop percentage, etc.).

            Our ILBs combined probably for 10 sacks this season, i think we can do better with better NT play. I just think we need a bigger block eater, not that Logan needs to be “replaced”. If we’d done a better job getting FAs last year (at NT and Safety) we wouldn’t be in this position.

          • NickS1

            He had three TDs but also only had 51 rush yards on 17 carries. Big picture.

          • RIP illa

            Points tend to matter more than yards and wins and loses tend to matter more than points. All can play off and lead to the other. Big Picture!!!

            You guys are hilarious. We have no one to back up Logan and we could really use a run stuffer for short yardage situations. Plus Logan was never thought of as anything special by ANY ONE OF YOU nor ANYBODY, outside of his character and has YET to prove different!!! Yet you guys pole jock him and go against people stating the obvious. Blaming it on prisoner of the moment, when in actuality it’s momentS!!! All the while failing to see you’re being prisoners of hope, enthusiasm, and what has yet to be.

          • NickS1

            I didn’t realize Logan was the sole player responsible for those TDs. Nevermind those other 10 who didn’t tackle him before the end zone. Kid played better than the vet with room to improve. What more did you expect from the rook? And no ish no one thought he was special. He was a 3rd round pick. Prisoner of reality.

          • RIP illa

            Subjective Reality!!! Suuuuurrrre…all 11 guys are responsible and always around the ball for short yardage runs and runs directly up the gut…happens all the time in the league. We always see all 11 guys in on a tackle in those scenario!!! Stop it. Played better than a vet…let’s just leave out the fact that that same vet was the was one I the worst graded starters, at his position the year before and played to the incredibly low standards in his bread stint here…Reality…Stop it!!! Let’s just leave out the fact that as a 3-4 NT in short yardage and runs coming straight at you, it’s your primary responsibility to anchor and not get pushed 2-4 yards back…and let’s call that reality.

            Reality are the things that I have mentioned and the one thing you mentioned…Room to improve!!! You responded to anon, which promoted my response to you. Anon stated that he’s not trying to replace Logan but get someone in here for short yardage and to back him up…and you go against that??? Why cuz their so much HOPE for him to be so great for us??? What does that have to do w/ the REALITY of the past or the fact that we still need another player behind him!!! What does that have to do w/ the REALITY of how Chip wants to breed competition at every position and make players earn their spot year/week in and out!!!

          • NickS1

            Settle down, Beavis. I didn’t go against adding, nor am I opposed to it, just noted that he while he was criticizing the run D for the TDs in one game, that they still only gave up 51yds to the rookie for 3ypc. And while I said there are other 10, I realize the unlikelihood of the corners coming in, was speaking more to the linebackers who didn’t do anything either. NT eats blockers for LBs to make tackles. He’s got to get a little bigger, sure. Not sure why you’re so excited about this. Basically, you’re adding in a bunch of extra points that had nothing to do with my original response to him. Guess that makes you feel like you really got me…

          • Papa

            Guaranteed was 5mil with a 3mil signing can get out of the deal relatively cheap after this yr

          • Papa

            That’s according to eaglescap.com

          • cliff henny

            some of it is confusing. because both are basically 2 yr guaranteed deals, regardless of how much of 2nd yr is guarenteed, due to dead money. williams 3rd yr could be for 50m, desnt matter, he’s not seeing it, contract really balloons. in effect it was 2 yrs 10.7m. about what #2 cbs make. barwin is 2yrs 8m guarenteed, add in 3rd yr, it’s 3yrs 14m (i’ll bet he gets it). 2 combined got 8m signing bonus. so combine the 2 averages out to 5m per yr and 8m signing bonus (my 25m was Barwin getting 3rd yr)…in range of byrd/ward. need alittle more, but in ballpark.

          • GEAGLE

            The only reason I don’t rule out Maclin is because I have a feeling that we will have to do him a favor and bring him back. I dont see how anyone else can offer him anything. Other teams don’t get to see him rehab at the Novacare complex everyday. They simply won’t have info on his knee that we will have, and we aren’t talking about someone’s FIRST knee injury here…Teams can’t expect his agent to ever tell them his knee is jacked up. How can teams have enough Info to offer him anything?.. Forget his catches next year, Maclin first and foremost needs to prove that he can go thru a year of practice and football without jacking up his knee again…He could be very desperate to come back. Other teams have to be brain dead to guarentee him anything.. Could Andy be boneheaded enough? Sure I guess. He did make Juan Castillo a DC…maybe Marty and the jets! banner possibly just out of envy and spite? I just don’t see how a well run organization could offer him anything

          • cliff henny

            sounds like how Banner would talk to Maclin if he still ran the Eagles.

        • Maggie

          A quick look at some other teams’ fans comments should settle you down, RC. Nearly ALL of them want to get Byrd or Ward. And half of them are perfectly willing to grossly overpay.

      • GEAGLE

        We haven’t plucked guys like Barwin and Fletch since we signed Shawn barber…

        There just aren’t many starting holes to fill, there isn’t much to do with this money, that it’s making No sense to me, not to sign a top safety..It’s the KEY to everything! Helps our corners, helps Wolff, Frees up early draft picks for OLB/WR…I guess Howie could target Clemons or Bathea but why? They ain’t cheap, might as well pony up the rest and go high quality. Byrd has had some injuries, our SScience could help. Ward is about as durable as they come..

        There are no OLBs to buy…a guy like Worlids will cost similar to Barwin, and he just isn’t going to be good enough to be our main pass rusher. It’s bad enough that we have a MAJOR need at OLB, and that it’s a position that you HAVE to till via the draft
        .,,
        I don’t care about Maclin at all. Walk/stay whatever, I’m over him…but there are some major advantages we have in the Maclin situation? he rehabs a few hours of every day at the Novacare complex. no one will know about his knee like we will. Every other team will only have his agents word to go by. Dudes had a lot of knee problems, how much money could other teams realistically offer him? You can’t give him a contract with 3years of security,just going by what mac agent tells you about his knee, so the only reason I still view him as an option because I don’t see how anyone else could responsibly offer,him anything significant…
        ..
        Figure sign our BIGTIME safety. Keep Coop, gonna cost less than people think, sign two Bradley Fletcher types, and we still have money left over…

        • cliff henny

          part i think is funny, howie is selling barwin and williams as mid level guys. they got good size contract. 3/18, 6/36. it’s not like everyone signed fletcher type deals and those 2 popped. know people have varying degrees of liking those 2 players, but they would have been big name signing in all markets. instead of giving those 2 contracts out, give 1 to ward/byrd, and then find undervalued guys again. i love that strategy as fillers, but talent wins games.

          • GEAGLE

            Remember how excited I was the day we signed Barwin? Yet I never expected or predicted us to sign him, because I thought he would be too expensive for our tastes lol, so Howie can keep blown smoke talking about him as a mid level signing but I’m not some dope who saw 4 sacks in 2012 and thought we were getting a scab. Dudes always been a smart, tough. Fantastic athlete and he is as versatile as it gets. I don’t view him as some Bradley Fletcher signing…

        • anon

          In one sense we have starters but we don’t have difference makers. Not sure there are a ton in FA, but i don’t think anyone on D’s spot is safe except Boykin (if i was GM/Coach).

  • cliff henny

    Barkley was certainly a headstratcher in the 4th a year ago. wasnt fan of the player or school, but he’s an Eagle now, so i’ll pull for the guy. give him thru pre-season before making any judgements unless it’s pretty obvious to the positive or negative. the perfect scenario for MB is a guy who gets healed, works well with Foles, pushes him hard in camp, improves greatly and never plays-so most of that is lost to fans.

  • mtn_green

    Matt Barkley is really an unknown at this point. Last year he has injury recovery issues and was playing in his first year without the benefit of OTAs, cause he was in school through most of may. Unlike Foles in 2012, Barkley didn’t get the qb2 reps which are about 10% of qb1 reps once Kelly declared starter.

    Barkley was always qb3, Qb3 is usually imitating the opposing qb during game practice and the. In TC I don’t think Barkley got any 7 on 7 or 11 on 11 reps.

    We don’t know anything about Barkley, but we will get tons of opportunities in ota and tc and preseason.

    My guess is that Barkley will be really good on Kelly’s system. Quick decision maker, quicker release than Foles.

  • ia

    Barkley is a little like Foles. Confident in his abilities, hard worker, competitive, humble.
    What he missed is playing/performing under constant pressure as Foles had to do at AZ. Maybe that why USC QB’s are not so succesfull in NFL.