Cap Expert Weighs In On Eagles

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There are plenty of financial-related questions surrounding the Eagles right now. What kind of market will they be up against when it comes to free-agent receivers Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper? Which players are most likely to be cap casualties? Will any veterans be asked to take a pay cut? For answers, we called on former agent/salary cap expert Joel Corry to make sense of it all.

With some $20 million of cap room, the Eagles are in decent shape overall. But if they do act, Corry believes the following three players are most at risk of being cut:

Patrick Chung ($3.25 million base, $1 million guaranteed): “The first one that sticks out for me is Patrick Chung in terms of a guy that could be a cap casualty. [The contract’s] got offset [language] so they’ll be able to recoup some money if they release him. I’m assuming he’ll sign someplace for the league minimum if not for that full million.”




James Casey: ($3.985 base, $2 million guaranteed):  "I know that some people are saying that [Brent] Celek could be a cap casualty, but Casey fits that description more for me considering Zach Ertz kind of took the role he was probably supposed to have when they signed him. He's got a cap number of slightly under $4 million and he has a $2 million guarantee. You really don't want to eat guarantees but they can pick up almost $2 million in room from him if they had to. But they're really in position cap-wise where they really don't have to go the route of cap casualties."

Jason Avant ($2.25 million base plus $1 million roster bonus): "Another one I can potentially see depending on what happens with the receivers, but  they don't have much leeway [in terms of time] because of the roster bonus due on the fifth day [of the league year.] You're not going to pay him the roster bonus and then cut him."

There has been plenty of speculation about which players on the roster  might be asked to take a pay cut. Here's how Corry sees it:

Jason Peters ($9.65 million base): "It's hard to find  a left tackle. They don't have any pressing need to do anything with his cap number so I think you leave it alone."

Todd Herremans ($3 million base): "You can probably leave him alone this year. I wouldn't mess with the line, and maybe you can draft his replacement."

DeMeco Ryans ($6.8 million base): "I think he justified it this year. He played well for the most part. I don't think you do anything with him."

Trent Cole ($5.5 million base): "I don't think he's really a 3-4 'backer. He's better suited for a 4-3. His cap number is $6.6 (million) this year. It jumps to about $11 million next year. I think next year is the pivotal year. He better have a very good season this year.

"For pass rushers, if you're supposed to be a 10-sack guy, you're going to be paid more so than most positions because pass-rushers are paid a premium. I think he's fine [this year]. It's just next year when that cap number soars that's the issue. He better have one of the best years of his career to justify the cap number in 2015. That being said, I think that's a priority for them in the draft, to go out and get an edge rusher  in a 3-4. And since Chip has an affinity for Pac 10 guys, I'm just throwing a name out: Trent Murphy. [Kapadia wrote about Murphy on Wednesday.]

Now for the receiver situation. Corry doesn't expect Maclin to receive any lucrative long-term contract offers.

"Wherever he goes, I think he's a prime candidate for the one-year prove-it contract. He's not going to get his best deal coming off a torn ACL. If I represented him, I'd want to get him in a situation where he gets a lot of playing time, he re-establishes his health and shows that his skills haven't diminished. He's  young enough where it is not going to materially impact him in 2015 -- he gets a market value deal."

Corry thinks a year in Kelly's system is a sound option for Maclin, but sees one other team in particular being players for his services.

"I can make a case for one place more than any other -- Kansas City," said Corry. "He knows the offense. They need playmakers there so I could see Kansas City being a chief rival."

As for Cooper? "I don't think Riley is going to have huge value to everyone else," he said. "I think Riley's best deal may be staying put."

 

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  • NickS1

    Seeing Chung’s name come up first for the discussion of who’s likely to be cut put a large smile on my face, and made up for the horrible morning commute.

    • GEAGLE

      Cutiting Chung is a mistake. If Chung is cut, that means we will bring back Colt or Kurt…we ain’t getting 4 new safeties in one offseason. Truth be told, I want to redo the entire safety group! but it doesn’t happen in one offseason. This is an opportunity to upgrade Nate!Colt AND Coleman, so TAKE IT!! We can axe Chung next year

      • NickS1

        Would rather keep Colt or Kurt at league minimum to be the 4th or 5th safety than see Chung back. Keeping Chung is a mistake, not the other way around.

        • GEAGLE

          Dude, as an emergency safety, Chung is soooo much better the Colt and Kurt. Like you must forget what Coleman looks like playing safety lol…We don’t need those two to just be ST players..we need to draft or sign young safety athletes who will bring it on ST while they develop into a safety…we can get that type of ST production from young players that ATleast have a chance of developing into safeties

          • NickS1

            That’s fine, we can draft a safety, pick up a UDFA, and sign a Byrd/Ward/Clemons. That’s three plus we have Wolff. Is either of Coleman/Chung/Anderson really seeing the field for any meaningful time? No. Why pay Chung 3.25 when he’s the worst safety on the team when you look at it from a value perspective. He’s as much of a liability as Coleman and Anderson. Give me one of those two for the league minimum all day over Chung at 3.25.

          • GEAGLE

            Why eat Chung’s dead money when the other contracts expired?..by the end of next season, Chung,Nate,Colt and Kurt should be bad memories…I needs 4 new safeties by the end of next years offseason. Don’t care how we go about doing it

          • NickS1

            It’s 1 million and there’s apparently off-setting language, according to the article. 1 mil is nothing. Hell, 1 mil plus keeping Anderson AND Coleman at vet min is less than Chung’s salary.

          • Papa

            I’ve read a lot of your comments and you usually preach patience and improvement but you never give Allen benefit of doubt here. The guy has had atleast what 4 different DCs and atleast 3 tremendously different schemes. Our biggest problem with him was tackling & by all accounts we can all agree he has made amazing strides in that department. He was drafted as a playmaking ballhawking safety his 1st month of his career he showed he can be that. Give him another year in the system to gain confidence control and get his legs under him. Cut Chung & once his 1mil is offset they could sign Allen to a 3yr $10-12mil and guarantee half of it then still be about cap neutral from ditching Chung & resigning Allen. Don’t break the bank for him obviously and then they can still be players in the byrd/ward/clemons whoever sweepstakes. You could have Byrd Allen wolfe in a nice rotation plus a rookie or Johnson or Coleman or anyone for ST.My wife by the way is a diehard bills fan & I’ve been watching Byrd his whole career. I said from his rookie season he was the next ed reed and have been praying for a scenario like this where could come free from the bills who should have paid him big 2yrs ago.

          • D-Von Funk

            I don’t get all this Clemons hype. I’ve heard his name batted around here quite a bit, and I have to admit it’s kind of puzzling to me. I realize safety is a glaring need of ours, and I’ll be the first one to admit I’m not overly familiar with him, but I’d hazard a guess that the majority of people on here aren’t either. However, I’ve seen him play a few times and he’s never stood out to me. Athletically he’s certainly an upgrade over Allen and Chung, but is he an upgrade overall over Wolff (with a year under his belt) I don’t know that. Is he an upgrade over Allen, with a year in this system and better overall play around him? Heck, I’m not sure I know that either…

          • anon

            If you have cheap parents you have to be realistic about the type of presents you can expect.

            I don’t think Wolff will be ready to start next year. Yes, he looked
            good opposite Allen and Chung, but that’s against Allen and Chung, he
            still made rookie mistakes and missed a good chunk of the season with
            injury (aka time he could have been learning on the field he wasn’t).
            Ideally he’d be your third (or fourth) best guy.

          • Andy124

            I would say that ideally, he’d earn the starting job with his play.

          • anon

            facetiously? My point is that if Wolff is the best you have you’re safety core isn’t that great. Or are you expecting him to become TJ Ward this year?

          • Andy124

            Not facetious for once. :)

            The ideal I’m describing is that you’re not totally banking on Wolff to start, but that he plays at a high level and earns the starting position.

            I think he could easily reach Quinton Mikell levels this year and possibly exceed that in the future. I’d be just fine with him being our second best guy. And hey, I’d be fine with the unrealistic scenario of him being our best and playing at a pro-bowl level in year two.

            If he holds opposing QBs to 0-100 with 27ints he can be our starting safety for the next 1,000 years.

          • Richard Colton

            couldn’t help yourself in paragraph four

          • Andy124

            Nope. Couldn’t even try.

          • cliff henny

            problem with signing allen is some point lurie is going to balk at upfront money. Byrd/ward, coop/mac, jax, peters, thorton, kelce, and maybe celek, these guys will all get something to reduce cap hits. allen adds another 4m maybe. sometimes it just time to move on.

          • anon

            For moving on’s sake? Not sure what replacement value of Allen is.

          • cliff henny

            i’d say from what i saw of wolff, his basement is equal to what allen showed this yr. worst case it’s a lateral move, for 10m less-no brainer. put Byrd or ward next to him, think he’ll do fine. and, he doesnt cost 4m in signing bonus. all these guys will want upfront money. allen is way down on my list of guys i want to see paid.

          • anon

            I think Allen is better than Wolff, though I think Wolff has a higher ceiling. What do you do after Byrd/Wolff for depth?

          • theycallmerob

            honestly, considering the mess the position is in right now in the NFL, having 2 good starters is better than most. Keep a Kurt/Colt for depth, sign a mid-level guy (I like Stevie Brown personally, and have 1 or 2 draft picks competing and playing on STs (I like Joyner, Ward, Pryor, Bucanon, Ladler…any number of guys that can be our #3). Keelan Johnson may stick around. Having 2 good starters and 2 guys that could play a few snaps in a pinch would be tremendous.

          • anon

            Stevie J is legit, but i think itd be hard to sign away a giant unless they let hm walk. he’s legit.

          • Papa

            What I’m saying is with cutting Chung & resigning Allen your cap stays about the same maybe minus a million or 2. Lurie has never balked at spending money in the past I don’t see why people think he is so cheap. There’s been a couple $100 mil contracts thrown out kearse & TO got big money at the time. The dream team. If chip & Howie ask nicely lurie pulls out the checkbook in the blink of an eye. Allen is a known quantity & can be a decent starter they don’t have to just give him the starting job Wolfe Allen & a vet FA to be named later can compete for the 2spots. This team is all about competition. Going with the unknown for the sake of it being different isnt always a sound strategy. 2 other things to think about are 1 we can’t just assume the eagles will be gift wrapped 1 of the top 5 or even 10 free agent safeties there is 31 other teams out there. 2. Allen is 6’1″ ward & Byrd are both 5’10” the whole big people little people thing. Trust me I say a little prayer for Byrd every night but it just might not happen. I’d like them to lock Allen before FA begins then we have a SAFETY net in case all other plans fall thru. On the whole big people thing I’d love to see Taylor Mays come in as a 4th/5th safety we could try to develop

          • Andy124

            I don’t see why people think he is so cheap.

            Around here, it’s mostly a reaction to some quote by Roseman about focusing on a high batting average vice hitting homeruns.

          • Joe L

            There’s nothing to develop about Taylor Mays. He can’t play.

          • cliff henny

            1st, there’s more to cap, ignoring signing bonus. after Byrd and Cooper, jax will get some, so will peters. you want allen back instead of thorton or letting kelce go into free agency? i sure dont. b, it’s not minus, chung cut plus allen signing is 2-3m more than keeping chung and rolling with wolff and chung. regardless, there probably drafting a guy. with allen, he either plays (dont sign a guy to 3yrs 12-15m and pine him) and clogs up developement of wolff and rookie, while costing you at least 2-3m more. if he’s backup, well, that doesnt work, those guys need to be special teamers for eagles, allen doesnt play ST.
            .
            also, no where did i say lurie was cheap, if anything i generally defend the opposite. signing byrd or ward is going to sting. there is a breaking point to signing bonuses. think allen will be on the outside looking in. eagles arent going to pay him. money is spent better elsewhere. worst case wolff is 10m less lateral move over next 3 yrs.

          • Papa

            I’m not trying to argue with you friend we all have our opinions. I understand the salary cap and how it works. 2-3mil isnt going to be the difference between thornton and kelce resigning Howie is much smarter than that. You sign Allen expecting him to start alongside Wolfe and you wait and see what happens in free agency. Look at Vick Casey and Chung as perfect examples. That was what $14 mil on the bench? That was not the plan but it happened you let the better players play no matter what they make. Just because Allen didn’t play ST does not mean he can’t. He has 4.52 speed and good size.What if Cleveland franchises Ward and decides they want to reunite him with Byrd and throw a pile of money at him. Now Cleveland has our top 2 options and Banner laughing his ass off. They would also have a secondary with Haden that could compete with Seattle’s. that don’t sound like an awful plan for them.

          • Andy124

            He has had 4.52 speed

            I’m not convinced he’s the same athlete he was before the injury.

          • theycallmerob

            What if Cleveland franchises Ward {…}

            stop right there….i’m in tears, i’m laughing so hard. Banner franchising a guy?

          • Andy124

            Well, if he thought it might some how spite us, I wouldn’t put it past him.

          • theycallmerob
          • Andy124

            Geez, they’ve got like NO money spent on skill positions. Did they have Buddy Ryan running their FO before?

          • Maggie

            Totally agree with 31 other teams out there, and 29 of them want a safety.

          • Andy124

            Allen made some improvement, but he did seem to plateau. I don’t think he was any better in game 17 than he was in game 12. So the hope inspired but that in-season improvement faded down the stretch imo. And patience is great. It’s critical really. But how far does it extend? There comes a time when you have to make a tough decision about a player, and the guys making those decisions need to be right more often than wrong.

            I’m not opposed to keeping him around, but short of the resources the coaches have to evaluate each player, it doesn’t seem like the best allocation of resources to me.

          • Maggie

            Ballhawk. Not necessarily a vicious tackler, yet that’s what everybody here seems to want. To heck with making a play on the ball. kill the receiver. Even though the NFL won’t allow it any more.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude..I gave Nate is props all year when deserved it. He shocked the hell out of me on multiple occasions, and if you want me to be honest, a part of me would love to see if he can build on it…I just don’t think it works out with contracts. I expect a team to offer him starting money, and if we have to cough up 4mil to bring him back, why wouldn’t. I want to pay 7mil, when we have 35mil to play with, so I can have a significant upgrade! and not worry about the damn position once and for all….I promise you that if Nate is about to sign a 2million per year contract, I will start leading the parade to bring him back….NOW is our chance to upgrade, Nate hasn’t shown enough to where you can confidently say that he will be a playmaker next year! and I think someone will offer him more money then we will want to pay him to sit on our bench, so I. Don’t really see us bringing him back….we have NO safeties! obviously on some level I would welcome him back, but I suspect teams will offer him more then I’d want to pay to bring him back. I don’t even want any free agents, I want to build thru the draft. I just want to sign one stinking safety because it’s been killing us for too long. Chung got over 3mil coming off a year he was benched..Nate smells a lot better heading into this Free agent market then Chung did this time last year..and he got 3.5…4million is a lot of money for someone who can be solid, but won’t be a playmaker. rather pony up the difference and eliminate this problem once and for all

          • Explorer51

            I wouldn’t be surprised if Keelan Johnson is somewhere in the mix; he had a decent college career (at PAC 12 ASU), a solid combine with good measurables. I remember reading he played a lot of ST in addition to starting at safety at ASU so maybe he’s a Colt/Kurt replacement possibility?

          • NickS1

            Hopefully he’s Chung’s replacement, but agree with you. He certainly will be given the opportunity.

          • Explorer51

            I figured that Chung is good as gone and his replacement as a starter will be a vet FA with Wolff on the other side. Your scenario of drafting a safety and also a UDFA makes sense, with K. Johnson the fifth roster spot. Also, isn’t it possible that Chip and company might be thinking of a DB hybrid…maybe with a rookie or two able to play both Safety and CB? Why not have a designated Swiss Army Knife in the defensive backfield? This draft and FA period promises to be both fascinating and revealing, with Kelly, his coaches, and Tom Gamble fully participating this year.

          • NickS1

            If you want to talk about a DB hybrid, something that intrigues me, especially with what Honey Badger did this year, talk to Cliff about Lamarcus Joyner. He’s Honey Badger without the head case.

          • cliff henny

            the thought of wolff, byrd, boykins, joyner, williams and fletcher, have christian jones and kendricks at lbr, cox logan and curry on 3rd and 10 or large lead…good luck! who blitzing, who’s covering slot, who’s playing centerfield…and you better not put one up 50/50, be like 5 eagles there!

          • theycallmerob

            that’s just it- so much friggin versatility. I love it. Almost Rex Ryan levels of confusion. Pair that with some great decision-making QBs in the NFC (Romo, Cutler, Stafford) and I’m ready to drink!

          • cliff henny

            not like these move would stop from taking an Evans or beckham (youtube him this weekend, i might have switched from landry to him), even a KVN. think kelly and davis are pretty happy with 1st and 2nd down defense. had 2 main difficulties, getting off field on 3rd down and beating m2m single safety. i have no doubts kelly is going to punish teams when they try that defense this yr. in college, he hung 50 by halftime on teams that tried it. have to assume they’ll address 3rd down defense in draft too.

          • theycallmerob

            luckily, it’s also the easiest role for a rookie to transition into, rather than CB or 3 down LB. Joyner, for instance, would probably see as much time as the badger did this year (or Boykin, for that matter).

          • Maggie

            It kind of looked like Byrd might have sustained an injury in the Pro Bowl? Didn’t see the whole game, but did see Byrd sitting on the ground seemingly favoring his leg.

          • Septhinox

            You don’t pay emergency safeties 3+ million a year…

        • Richard Colton

          How much worse could it be than Chung? Yeah, I get that he was battling an injury, but let’s get serious. I don’t buy the “continuity” argument if we’re talking about a back-up. How much consistency are we getting from the bench?

          • NickS1

            Exactly. And when you look at the value of it, production v pay, why would I want Chung over Coleman or Anderson when either are as much of a liability at S and both are equally as good if not better for ST? Makes no sense to pay the guy 3.25.

      • JR

        U clearly haven’t watched Chung at all.. Not only is he garbage he injures his teammates consistently..I would only agree with you if you were talking about madden..if u tell everyone u thought we were talking about madden we won’t think ur an idiot..you might even get a like or two lol

        • Andy124

          Chung ran in to his own teamates a few times, but the only one that actually injured another Eagle was Wolff on Kendriks.

      • Anthony Fryckberg

        Not on this planet. Chung was possibly the worst starting safety in the NFL. A 5th round rookie safety stepped in for him as an immediate upgrade. My offseason idea has them signing one of the big 3 safeties on the FA market (Byrd–preferably because of step #2, Ward, or Clemons), and you see if you get Calvin Pryor to fall to #22 in the draft. Your safety group becomes Byrd, Pryor, Wolff, Anderson/Coleman. That’s beyond fine with me. Chung eating up $3.25MM of cap space makes me want to puke.

        • Maggie

          Don’t worry. On Igglesblitz, Geagle agrees with you.

          • GEAGLE

            I’ll autograph your breasts if that makes you feel better, I take offense to you misquoting me..if you are going to be a groupie, do it right and get your facts straight. You flatter me

      • Maggie

        Strange. On T Law’s website, you boldly stated that Chung MUST go! Very strange.

        • GEAGLE

          If you are going to swing from my nuts like a groupie, get your facts straight. Chung NEEDS to GO! I just don’t think it will happen til next year…if you weren’t such a groupie you would know that I was arguing with Anders who suggest cutting chung and signing Nate! and I disagreed saying that we don’t bring back any of our free agent slop and replace Chung next year..
          ..
          If you were being honest you would know my oppinions don’t change regardless of who I talk to! and I don’t say something unless a believe it strongly. And if you had my track record, you would firmly believe your own oppinions too

          • Jason

            You are such a douche

      • Giorgos Kassakos

        Let’s upgrade Allen, who played pretty well in 2013 and keep Chung, who just kept blowing plays. Makes sense.

        For all his mediocrity, Coleman shows passions and Anderson is one of the best ST guys we have. Would mind if they were gone, but I would be furious if they are gone and Chung stays.

    • JofreyRice

      Yep, he stinks. Gotta go. I think you get about the same thing from Kurt Coleman, for much cheaper.

  • GEAGLE

    Just pay Demeco his money up front…he ain’t the type to get paid and then start acting like an idiot..pay him the 6mil upfront

  • Myke Lowery

    if they are going to cut Avant, they should at least do it after the roster bonus. he deserves that IMO

    • cliff henny

      he’s not living on food stamps, eagles paid him pretty well over years, range of 13m.

    • jabostick

      NOBODY gets that treatment in the NFL. I think they should ask him to re-do his deal and the ‘deserving’ part would be acknowledging his ‘intangibles’ and offer him a fair deal.

  • GEAGLE

    The ultimate F U to banner would be Ward breaking Josh Gordon’s knee last night and us stealing Ward..poach our practice squad players and we will take your probowlers!! Set the president Howie!! Make an example out of banner

    • Average__Joseph

      I thought Howie was still the GM. Did he get a promotion without any fanfare or announcement? That would certainly set a precedent.

      My apologies GEAGLE, I just had to be a smart a$$.

      Just An Average Joseph

      • GEAGLE

        Honestly, the joke went way over my head, so no worries.
        ..
        I’m team Byrd, practically started team Byrd..but for the money we have to invest, I think I’m more comfortable with Wards durability..although, our sports science could probably give Byrd his best chance of staying on the field.. I suspect Wolff has the range to play centerfield and pair with a hitting machine like Ward! but I’m not 100% sure yet what Wolff is

    • moesus

      I’ve always been a Ward guy (he’s a Duck) but his willingness to hit any and everything in a meaningless game made me want him for us so much more. Byrd is better when healthy but I’m concerned about his durability. Please make me happy Howie. I miss the days when teams thought twice about throwing on us.

  • Bdawkbdawk

    Kansas City might be our chief rival for Maclin’s services? Man oh man, watch out, Corry is coming in hot.

    • D-Von Funk

      He may be stating the obvious, but I think it’s something we need to be concerned about. I can definitely see Big Red making a move on J-Mac. If we can bring him back on a 1-year prove-it deal, we need to do it. The same cast of receivers isn’t going to cut it next year, and that’s taking into an account an improvement in Ertz’s play. You simply can’t rely on the draft for an impact receiver for next year. A motivated Maclin makes this offense significantly better, whether everyone wants to admit that or not.

      • Bdawkbdawk

        I agree that the Chiefs are a real competitor for his services and that it makes sense to see what Maclin can still do. I also like bad puns.

        • D-Von Funk

          Oh, haha. Although I caught that in the article and had myself a chuckle, I didn’t catch the emphasis on it in your post. My apologies. That being said, Mac Attack to the Chiefs worries me.

    • bentheimmigrant

      Beat me to it. And a pox on whoever downvoted that gem.

      • Maggie

        The main emphasis in this piece still seemed to be that everybody is looking for a safety and a pass rusher.

    • theycallmerob
  • cliff henny

    on chung, no one hates him more as starter than me. as 4th vet backup special teamer(he really is a quality STr, didnt get to show it cause of all starting time he logged), upfront money is already spent, could live with another year in that specific role. nothing else. peters could get 3yr extension, some guarentee reduce cap, not a bad move, he has alot left in tank. peters isnt your usual 32 yr old coming off achilles guy, just a freak of nature. jax is getting reworked too. casey is listed as only 1m dead on eaglescap.com. think Celek could be inline for reworking on 2yr deal, reduce cap hit, give some small guarenteed in ’14 (these guys all want guarenteed money), draft replacement. TEs generally take a year, wouldnt be worst idea to look for an aurther lynch type in 5th. if so, Casey needs to be moved, too much money on 1 position as 4th option. or just wait a yr since have celek on 2yrs now. Ryans is in sort of same boat-but more money, but could see 4th/5th rd replacement drafted and let him ride out contract. 7m seems like alot for him. or give him another yr and reduce cap hit. he might have 2 yrs left if Eagles can reduce his workload. 1st/2nd down guy, have him rest on nickle and dime (be great if they can get into). Cole and Herremann are on final yrs, great eagles, but this isnt a tenured job. Avant has to take serious cut, be 5th/6th wr and work with hopefully 2 promising rookies. 3 other guys he misses. thornton is rfa, he needs signed, shouldnt break the bank. brad fletcher is on 3m no dead no guarentee final yr. see him getting a yr added, so if he keeps playing well eagles have him under control, but easy out if knees act up. kelce needs contract too.

    • anon

      Lots of work actually needs to be done over the next two years . Agree with all of what you say above. If coles has a 10 sack year I’d give him a 2 year extension — same salary (guaranteed for 2015) but he can get another year with a 2/3 million guarantee.

      That said, Peters could get released and we move LJ over sooner rather than later. Elevate a backup and save $7m.

      • cliff henny

        cant see cole getting 10 sacks, because of opportunity. Geagle brought up a good point (he does on occassion), it’s a lot easier to get a pass rusher freak athlete in 3rd/4th, teach him how to drop in coverage and set edge on 1st and 2nd downs, let cole take that role. dont need a 3 tool guy right away. put cole on bench, ryans too, bring in nickle/dime guys to hunt qb. see no way cole is on Eagles after ’14-just simply $$$ and age. june 1st him in ’15, he’ll open 10m-hand it right over to foles hopefully.
        .
        reading up on Christian Jones, this might be the guy. he makes a lot of sense on multiple level. someone mentioned him yesterday, i get him confused with the other fsu guy who refuses to play safety.

        • anon

          I don’t think it’s that easy to convert guys, our experience this year actually made me think it’s harder than it would seem. If we have a dedicated pass rusher on 3rd / 4th down, what about screen game / run game, etc.? Maybe if we had better secondary play.

          Also don’t we have a second round BEAST in Graham? Are we admitting that his pass rush skills are so bad that you’d replace him with a 4th rounder with the same skillset?

          • cliff henny

            chung and allen arent good. cant play nickle and dime with those 2. pretty much everything i write is with the assumption ward/byrd and wolff/draft pick at safety. havent heard me say anything about any expectations from BG. graham isnt what they drafted, not only knee but microfracture surgery and he isnt olbr. it happens, there’s talent bust and injury busts, he’s the latter. i’m putting him on bench and riding out contract. plus, we’re hoping ’12/’13 are for real. go back to darfting like ’10 and ’11, well, that’ll suck.
            .
            yeah, maybe 3rd/4th is being too kind. i’m in the wr/olb 1st/2nd or vice versa camp. mostly on Cole, it doesnt get a ton to cut him, and he does bring something to team on 1st and 2nd down. us that, let rookie come along slowly.

          • anon

            Finding that jack of all trades olb is like finding a white buffalo. Maybe you just have to pay or draft high. Do think we need to invest in a couple of difference makers on defense. We have so many on offense, seems silly D is so neglected.

            OT — glad to see so many eagles at the pro bowl this year considering our drought last year. Boyking really should have made it…

          • cliff henny

            right, that’s why you keep cole for another yr, while guy like Atta-guy or C-jones can specialize in 3rd down pressure and cole can focus on 1st and 2nd down. give lb coach a yr to work with guys, but still bring something to team. i’m assuming Barr doesnt fall. ryans also could use some help, he played way too many downs this yr.
            .
            there’s alot of holes, but about 50% less than i thought there’d be. really looking forward to this FA/draft and season, but think will take 1 more off-season. by the ’15 season, all bets are off. best part is, dont think there’s a right or a wrong way. certainly have my prefered way, but i can see multiple ways to the finish line.

          • Andy124

            Think C-Jones can move outside? That’d be cool.

          • cliff henny

            sure, played d-end some at FSU. see him start outside and move inside after Ryans time is up, if need be.

          • theycallmerob

            seems to be the new organizational philosophy- superior on one side of the all, no worse than average on the other (throw in the desire for great ST as well).
            Personally, having a few guys who can do it all are key on the defense, allows for that much more creativity and confusion. I’d like a Christian Jones or KVN almost as much as a strict rush OLB as this point, since I feel they’re counting on the rush coming from multiple spots (DL now that guys are more comfortable with 2gap technique; ILB, a weakness of Demeco; DB, which was made tough last year by having safeties who couldn’t really help their corners in coverage).

          • Joe L

            I think you meant ‘first round bust’ when you said Graham.

    • theycallmerob
      • Joe L

        I think Jones offers the most versatilty, as far as being able to cover TE’s and being able to rush the passer from the interior.

        • theycallmerob

          He and KVN are, to me, the most complete guys

          • NickS1

            Don’t act like you don’t want the high-motor yet undersized guy from Wisconsin.

          • Joe L

            Haha, obviously that was sarcastic but Borland is going to make a good ILB for somebody. Just don’t want him and Kendricks running around back there together.

          • NickS1

            I think he will be, too. He’s a fastball.

          • theycallmerob

            Borland? definitely like his game, don’t want both sub-6’0 ILBs.
            If we’re grabbing a downhill guy, spend a mid or late round on Bulloughs (Mich St). Unless the character stuff scared away Howie and Chip, he can contribute on ST and bang heads with RBs all day. Also 6’3, 245

          • NickS1

            How high do you think he is on Andy’s draft board? High-motor, undersized, fastball. 2nd round? Chiefs pick late, maybe the 1st?

          • Richard Colton

            Joe Banner might take him in the first – A.B.T.F – always be throwing fastballs

          • theycallmerob

            I’d be amazed if CLE drafts anything but offense in the first 5 rounds. They need a QB and RB, OL depth, and another WR. Like us, could use DB help.

          • Richard Colton

            Really strange when you look at their draft history – last two times they’ve had multiple 1st round picks, they’ve drafted a QB with their 2nd – Brady Quinn and Brandon Weedon. Both disasters. Wonder if they’re going to be cute a third time? Maybe go OL/RB or OL/TE? I’m sure Josh Gordon will love playing with Jimmy Garapolo.

            When your team needs a QB – it’s your only need. Nothing else matters until you get one.

          • Andy124

            Oddly enough, Weeden was the #22 pick in his draft. Hopefully this will deter the Eagles from drafting an old QB with their first round pick.

          • theycallmerob

            All of that is great, but end of the day he’s still a LB. Can’t be top 100

          • NickS1

            Forgot about that little caveat to drafting LBs. Not sure how I could, either.

          • cliff henny

            doesnt he also have short arms? think w/ kelly, 2 strikes and u r out

      • cliff henny

        thanx, man, this guy just flies around. 6’4, 235…have to think he can put on 15lbs. cbs draft has him 3rd/4th. has the versatility Davis wants. telvin smith is the guy i get him confused with.

    • NickS1

      I hate Chung as a starter more than you. Only way I could live with him on the roster is if he reduces the salary, significantly, since there’s absolutely no way he’s better than the 4th safety on the team come next season. Even if he agrees to a reduction, I’ll probably still be calling for him to be released, because he’s terrible. If I could, I’d cut him, re-sign him, and cut him again just to make sure he understands how bad he is. He’s as bad as Coleman, yet ever-so-slightly above Anderson in safety play. No better than either at ST.

      • cliff henny

        i’ll give you equal, not more, simply not possible. it got to the point i wanted coleman. and a year ago i didnt think coleman was worthy to use a pothole filler.
        .
        yes, he need his paycut, but 1m doesnt matter all that much, and it’s not great businees to cut sals. i toss it around as a fan too. like ryans, add a yr, little guarentee, reduce cap, that goes over better.

        • NickS1

          I’ll still take Coleman over Chung. Aware the pay cut is bad for business, but keeping Chung to tackle his own players is bad for business, therefore, he should just be cut.

          • cliff henny

            feel like i’m in a thread with dutch, defending a guy i cant stand ;)…he actually is really above average special teamer. i dont want either playing safety, ever, never! but to block kicks punts, the chunger can excell. he could steal a game. i’d have him as 4th safety, and if 1 of 3 got hurt, take 5th guy, keenan johnson i guess today, leapfrog him and make him 3rd.
            .
            plus, chung isnt a bad in the box goalline safety. it’s downfield he’s gawd-awful. i’ll also be happy if they cut friendly-fire chung

          • NickS1

            I don’t even know what you said. I saw, “feel like i’m in thread with dutch” and didn’t bother to continue. Thought I saw a wink face, but it rang empty…. Chung should be cut, plain and simple. Get the same from Coleman sans the same-team tackling.

          • cliff henny

            ah, by ’15 they’ll both be gone. and preferably neither will ever see the field again on defense

          • GEAGLE

            Hope u r right but I honestly don’t see it

          • GEAGLE

            He has had some serious ST performances…conveniently, no one remembers the Monday night game when he had one of the best individual nights in the history of ST play. I get it, he sucks, he needs to be upgraded.. I just personally don’t see it happening til next offseason. I HATE CHUNG, he was NOT one of the FA I wanted to target last offseason, so I would LOVE to be wrong about this one

          • cliff henny

            arguing over coleman vs chung…the answer is neither. cant believe FO thought he was starting safety. wonder if they misjudged Philips knee.

          • GEAGLE

            Right lol what a whack argument. Truth is, every safety but Wolff needs to be replaced, so why would I have any desire to bring back any of these mutts and sign them to multiple year deals? When I can see Coleman,Colt and Nate all upgraded now!and see Chung upgraded next offseason, and in about 400 days,from now, Chung,Coleman!Nate!and Colt will all just be bad memories? I just think keeping Chung for one year is the quickest path to having 4 new safeties, instead of cutting him now, and having to bring one of the 3 mutts back on a Multi year deal that I will want to get out of next summer.

            Not for nothing,nrealistically Chung is probably the best special team player we have that plays safety..

      • Adam

        I’m 100% on board with this tactic re: Chung. Cut him, sign him at a reduced salary.. then cut him again. Nothing would make me happier than to see this happen.

        Can we start a petition?

        • OldDocRoss

          Yes. Co-sign.

          Sometimes one cutting isn’t enough. And the second should be televised for our amusement.

        • NickS1

          Please do. How many times are we allowed to sign it?

        • Maggie

          Only thing is, nobody else would ever want to resign or rework contract in Philly ever again. Although I do get that you’re joking. I hope?

  • Maggie

    This may be off topic, or maybe not. Just saw Golden Tate in live press conference. Free agent. ONLY player to have over 800 yards receiving and over 500 yards PUNT RETURNING this season. Also was recruited for baseball, btw. A Chip Kelly type player. Maybe a Super Bowl winner.. Edit; Went to YouTube, Just saw Tate put a VICIOUS block on Sean Lee, number 50, Cowboys. A thing of beauty. He could play on the Seattle defense, with a hit like that. Or be an Eagles safety, lol.

    • peteike

      he doesnt do much for me and he will cost more money than hes worth imo. If the team has to pay more, Id prefer Decker as a better option

      • Andy124

        Decker? I don’t even know her!

      • Maggie

        Proven commodity. Only 25. Went to Notre Dame. Definite competitive edge. Could definitely play in the slot. However, this is just my opinion. No different than anybody else here.

        • GEAGLE

          Change for the sake of change…if you can’t draft a golden Tate in this draft class, then you should be fired..and we would save about 20million..so NO, he won’t be an eagle. Take that to the bank

          • Maggie

            Well, a lot more intelligent than the folks who say get rid of Avant, Cooper, Maclin, DJax, etc. Take cap hits on all of them just because of personal dislike, or a couple of dropped balls. I do not call human beings “trash” or advocate dumping players without regard to their contracts. And if the team IS going to drop a receiver or two, it doesn’t hurt to look at FA, as well as the draft, to get the best proven newcomers possible. Like a personnel department does. With most NFL teams all looking for safeties and pass rushers, those are the free agents and draftees who will probably be rated the highest, overall. BPA is not unheard of, and with all the dumping ;-), there will be a few dollars floating around here and there. While building a winning team, logic is better than emotion. When rooting for that team, then be as emotional as we want! Back to the subject, we want a receiver who can block, fight for and CATCH the ball. We want a kick/punt returner who can get some YARDS. I merely suggested someone who can do both. That’s all. My opinion about a player is as valid as yours. Btw, I also choose not to use vulgar language to express myself, not even on Igglesblitz.

          • GEAGLE

            Aww did you think I would read all that. You remind me of some scorned woman who shady threw off the bus

          • cliff henny

            that’s mean, that is just mean, man

          • GEAGLE

            Lol… Low blow?

    • GEAGLE

      Lol…hold your breathe, we will sign him very soon

    • anon

      he was a wr1 for most of the season. I’m not saying he’s bad, but doubt he can run routes and why pay for someone new that’s less talented than people on your team.

      I’d take a guy like mccluster or I would go hard after jacoby jones depending on what our draft is like. I’d rather add a big body WR and take a great kr/pr from FA.

      • Maggie

        You did notice only player to have both 800 plus yards receiving and over 500 yards on returns? That’s on an offense with Marshawn Lynch running the ball every second play.

  • Token

    To Geagle and others who think you cant turn over a roster quickly, this is interesting…

    http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/27/seattle-seahawks-team-building-super-bowl-xlviii/?eref=sihp

    You dont keep trash. Onward and upward. Let the roster purge begin.

    • GEAGLE

      I just give you my opinion on what I think the eagles will do. You know my track record, you know my hits and my misses(never hid from them)…
      ..I’m a fan, which means I’m down to upgrade every single position with a probowler, I just prefer trying to see things how the eagles will view it, and you have to admit, it has served me pretty well. Can we turnover an entire roster and be successful, sure, I guess….but I don’t expect us to go that route….this wasn’t a roster that was talentless and Chip was hired to be a program builder. If we were ever going to turnover an entire roster, it would have been last year, I don’t see us making the playoffs with one of the three youngest teams in huge NFL and then decide to blow it up…but you are welcome to interpret how the eagles view things for yourself…we can respectfully agree to disagree. But thanks for the link.. Good read

      • Token

        I just dont think they love the roster like you assume they do. The roster doesnt have the overflowing talent that you sometimes act like it does.

        I dont see the benefit in keeping trash, regardless of circumstance. Regardless of the dead money. They have to go sometime, may as well be now.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol, I wanted to re sign 1 of 8 FA’s lol..plenty of room for improvement, and penty of roster turnover needs to be done, I just think we will go about it different. I think these starters remain in place, til someone we add as depth, and grow in house,develops into someone who should start over the current starter. I don’t see us jettisoning too many starters and replacing them with starters. I believe we will build thru the draft, and we won’t have to draft guys and thrust them into the lineup..teams with no cap money have to do that. We will use our cap to keep our starters, improve our depth, and then let the depth grow into replacements for who we have now….If that’s what I Genuinly expect to happen! what do you want me to tell you? I expect 10-15 new eagles..sorry that I don’t see us turning over more then that. If I did, I’d gladly agree with you

          • Token

            Keeping all the starters? If thats what you mean then we will take a step back next year for certain.

            They were fortunate this year to do what they did without a pass rush. With a weak bad end of the secondary. The last place schedule helped.

            Next year will get tougher. We need to keep improving. Trent Cole isnt getting any better at this point.

            What depth do we have that looks like a future starter? Ertz. Boykin. Honestly, I cant think of anyone else. We simply dont have great depth as it is.

            I expect the Kendricks experiment to end in or after next season. Then we would head into next offseason needing even more than we need right now if we just stand pat as you propose. Ryans will be about done. Thats 2 new ILB needed in two offseasons.

            Dont tell me that Joe Kruger is the answer to a starting spot.

          • Maggie

            The biggest problem, perhaps, is that almost every other team is looking to improve the same positions.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, if you think Kendrick ain’t going to be a stud! we really don’t have much to discuss.

            You are a fool if you think the answer is to draft an OLB and think he is getting inserted into the lineup from day one. Our base defense was really solid last year. Get off the field on 3rd and long, and that takes us to the next level. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you will see a ton of Trent Cole next year, with the OLB we draft replacing him on third down. You can talk about Cole not being the answer all you want, but you are kidding if you think he won’t be our best option against the run for ATleast the first half of next season. The OLB we draft will start off replacing Trent Cole on 3rd down….dude, we have no depth at all. It needs to be replaced across the board…

            We both Agee guys like Cole aren’t the answer, you are just not realistic in how the eagles will go about replacing him? Cole will have a major role as the rookie OLB gets more and more reps, and Cole won’t be fully replaced til the OLB. We draft is also a better option against the run, and not just the pass.

            I can guarentee you that Ced!Cox and Logan will start next year, so I’m not sure why you would bring up Kruger? Ohhh I get it! you are so clueless that you actually think he will play OLB for us? Lol sorry, you are misinformed

  • Aussie Eagle

    We should try trade Cole or Graham to a 4-3 team. Cole might be tough to move, but both will be gone in 2015 anyway – we will need all the cap room we can get to extend Foles, Kendricks, Boykin and Cox. And we need to extend Kelce this year..

  • daggolden

    Bryd or Ward aren’t coming here. They are asking for 60-70 million with 40 million guaranteed that’s why Bryd isn’t staying in Buffalo. The Eagles aren’t signing a safety for that kind of money. A team like Washington who needs safety help and have a boatload of caps space have already stated they will be heavily active in FA especially since they have no 1st round pick. I don’t expect Ward or Bryd here.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    I could see Indy making a run at Maclin as well. Grigson knows a bit about him and they really need another weapon on the outside.