Three Eagles Leftovers

NCAA Football: Senior Bowl-North Practice

From sports science to QB prospects, here are three leftovers from my week in Mobile, Ala.

1. Thanks to all who e-mailed about the knee and wrist measurements. For those who missed the initial post, the Eagles had multiple members of their staff going up to prospects after practices and measuring their wrists and knees. I surmised that the process probably had something to do with seeing how much weight each guy could put on. But now we have some more details.


From what I can gather, the measurements are used for two primary purposes. One is to measure body fat percentage. The prospects were trotted out in their skivvies for height and weight measurements early in the week. But the wrist and knee calculations take those numbers a step further and provide body-type information.

The other important factor is ideal body size. Or said in another way, how much weight the prospects can realistically be asked to add.

We know from the season that Eagles players had their weights calculated frequently, and they had specific targets.

Some college prospects are already doing the right things from a nutrition standpoint. But many are not. For example, Northern Illinois safety Jimmie Ward talked about how he didn't know how to put on "good weight" in the past. Leading up to the scouting combine, prospects spend time at various training facilities across the nation (arranged by their agents), and nutrition is a big focus. Ward said he already put on 9 pounds of good weight in just over two weeks.

So as the Eagles try to project how players will perform on the field at the NFL level, they're also trying to project body size and type.

Once again, thanks to all who responded with information from the original post.

2. You'll notice that we didn't write much about quarterbacks in this space last week. That's because it was largely an unimpressive group. However, it's also not a great atmosphere for quarterbacks to thrive.

Howie Roseman explained that Nick Foles did not have a great week of practice at the Senior Bowl. The signal-callers are asked to play with a new set of teammates and in a scheme that may be unfamiliar to them. Coaches try to keep things simple, but something like taking the snap from a new center can take time to get used to. That's why the QB play is often choppy during Senior Bowl practices.

One quarterback in attendance was Clemson's Tahj Boyd. Here's what Greg A. Bedard of The MMQB wrote about Boyd:

Clemson QB Tajh Boyd would be a perfect developmental player for a team like the Eagles, who will probably need to keep a stable of passers in that offense. He’s a great athlete and has a good arm. Accuracy will always be the thing he needs to overcome, and that’s tough.

I can see why people would link Boyd to the Eagles, but I wonder how much Chip Kelly and company like him as a developmental prospect. Boyd measured in at just under 6-1. And his hands are 9 3/8 inches. From my understanding, 10 inches is considered good hand size for a QB.

The Eagles could take a developmental QB at some point, and we're still early in the process, but I'm not sure Boyd will end up being a guy they have on their list.

3. And finally, a couple notes from casual conversations I had with NFL people.

One concerns the Wes Welker-Aqib Talib pick play that Bill Belichick complained about. One assistant coach's take: Every defense in the league gets picked. No one makes a big deal about it after the fact.

And we saw that every week with the Eagles' offense. The "mesh" concept was one they used frequently to beat man coverage. I don't recall anyone complaining during the regular season.

The second point is about the Eagles' expectations. Players and coaches preached "one day at a time" all season long, but the sense I got in Mobile is that the team felt it really had a chance to make a run. The Eagles thought the draw set up nicely for them. They liked their chances in Carolina against the Panthers and were hoping for a home matchup against the 49ers in the NFC title game.

Of course, in the end, the two best teams made the NFC championship game. But the feeling among some Eagles players and coaches was one of disappointment, not accomplishment, following the loss to the Saints.

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  • Media Mike

    National writers, Bedard included, need to STOP trying to project scramble bums onto this roster. Just stop. If we add a young QB this year it would be one who could be stashed on the practice squad. Boyd would be a 4th or 5th round pick, not viable to put on the 53, not better than Barkley, and likely to be stolen from the practice squad if we put him on it.
    Not a fit for this team.

    • cliff henny

      plus, he short, throws less than 3/4 arm, people think foles deep ball was bad-holy smokes is taj’s bad-wr needs to be open by 10 yds for him to fit it in. he is the benefit of people not realizing the crazy athletes the new clemson is putting out. bet next yr’s qb has great numbers. sweeney has 3 wrs running sub4.5 40s who never saw field…serious sec talent.

      • Media Mike

        Yeah, short is ok if you’re Wilson and understand how to set your feet and drive the football or if you’re Brees and understand how to work a passing lane in tight coordination with your O-line.

        • cliff henny

          think vick got balls kncked down, taj would put holes in those flyswatters. he isnt nearly as athletic as he’s made out to either.

  • Media Mike

    I wonder if DeSean or Shady are giving any of the local ladies at the pro bowl the Crazy Mario test?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mario%20test

  • Will

    I didn’t like there chances against New Orleans with no pass rush and our secondary…They were looking at the Panthers..Tsk Tsk…

  • EaglefaninAZ

    “…a team like the Eagles, who will probably need to keep a stable of passers in that offense”.

    Lordy. The old “Kelly’s offense will get QBs killed” schtick. I thought we were past that.

    • cliff henny

      nope. the only reason vick got hurt is because of kelly. next year vick will play 16 games

      • GEAGLE

        Everyone knows 2014 will be the year Vick reaches his potential…duh

        • cliff henny

          only if he finally goes to a team coached by someone who knows how to properly utalize him.

          • GEAGLE

            Naturally… Lol

        • theycallmerob

          QBs peak at 34

      • Andy124

        Don’t you mean 19?

        • Will

          19 or 20 might not get a bye…lol…

          • Andy124

            Not get a bye? Yeah, I suppose his teammates and coaches could screw up a bunch.

        • cliff henny

          honestly, once he’s out of philly, i’ll be so relieved. have such vick-faitgue. we all know what’s going to happen. go to a fresh city, most likely down on their luck franchise. he’ll breathe some life, get fans having dreams of sugar plums dancing in their heads. look good in shorts, as he’s an amazing athlete, even 10 yrs retired bet he’ll look like he could still play. play 5 or 6 games and then get hurt.

          • Will

            And cash his check worth millions again…lol…with the Kevlar vest pencil him in for 8-9 games next year…

      • yoant702

        Really?!?! So, what was going on in every other season, other than one? You do know vick has had one full 16 game season in his career? Was chips fault the past two seasons also? Or how about 2010? When vick came in for a concussed kolb, then got injured himself a few weeks later and kolb had to play like 3 games. Damn Vick apologist! Im sick of people kissing Vicks ass. Are you a Eagles fan or a Vick fan. I cant tell with some of you guys. Go Birds!

        • yoant702

          And another thing. Just to clarify. Vick got hurt because he cant read defenses. Thats why they call it a read “option.” So you have the option to run if you “read” the defense and see nothing. There lies the problem, vick cant see shit out there. So, what does he do? He tucked it, ran like a thoroughbred up the sideline, and pull his 34 year old hamstring. Its not Kelly’s fault Vicks body is breaking down on him. Vick was in the best shape of his life and it still didn’t help.

          • GEAGLE

            You have to be some dope to continue to clarify..never mind.
            ..
            Please spend your time writing 10 more paragraphs explaining to us Vick apologists why he is no good :)

          • yoant702

            I admit Im the asshole here. But I could spend my entire life on here like some writing post after post. I chose to vomit all at once. Don’t worry, I hardly every post. You wont see me much.

        • theycallmerob

          buddy, welcome to the blog, glad to have new faces, but you just walked into a 6-month long joke. Don’t get your pressure too high; all -sarcasm

          • Atvcar

            Heck I’m new here and could smell the sarcasm dripping off that post

          • cliff henny

            does the @ thing work here. nope, no sarcasm font

          • yoant702

            Yeah, Im an asshole. My bad.

        • cliff henny

          breathe brother, breathe! like the rant below too. def upvote

          • yoant702

            Yo my bad brother. I read Bleacher Report on my phone, so I get linked to all the bird articles on my app. Not much of a regular on these discussions. Guess Im the asshole. Plus, I guess I missed the sarcasm. Don’t hate vick, but I get worked up a bit on the topic. Just tired of losing….. like all of us.

          • cliff henny

            bleacherreport? get alot better info from here and igglesblitz than there. i didnt take any offense, just didnt get sarcasm is all, not like you went personal. i’ve said damn near exactly same things you’ve said over last 2 yrs.

        • dollamakeuholla

          seriously?!?!? you couldn’t tell they were being sarcastic? How hard were you typing on that keyboard!LOL

      • Tommy McCabe Jr

        Played 16 games once in his career and this year at 34 will make 2 cmon man. Also to say Kelly is the reason Vick got hurt is assenine he broke his ribs twice under reid.

    • NickS1

      Beat me to it. So dumb.

    • Token

      Its amazing how lazy most writers are.

    • Coatesvillain

      I get why people are up in arms about how he worded things, but the truth is EVERY team in the league could use more competent QBs. If anything that’s something we’ve learned this year with all the injuries.

      Then there’s also the fact that two QBs did get hurt for the Eagles this year forcing Barkley on the field in successive games. Not a large sample size but it’s enough to consider.

    • BrickSquadMonopoly

      I don’t think any team is past having a skillful QB backup that isn’t the broncos or pats. Nick did get hurt this season and I don’t like what I’ve seen from Barkly

  • GEAGLE

    The QB we would love to get our hands on is probably David Fales.

    • Media Mike

      Why draft one at all? Foles is set as the starter, Barkley has improved and isn’t going anywhere, and we’d most likely want to add an old head to the 53 for “just in case” purposes. Why burn a pick on Fales?

      • EaglefaninAZ

        Agreed.

      • GEAGLE

        I wouldn’t want to draft. QB…I’m just saying if dopes are going to write about how we would love to have Taj Boyd, a guy like Fales would be more accurate. If you are gonna make a statement like that…I certainly prefer not drafting any QBs

      • Andy124

        In case they’re not sold on Barkley now that they’ve seen him first hand for a year.

      • Will

        Please do not burn a Draft pick on a QB or CB…need a K with a strong leg, need a Tall,fast, big Red Zone target at WR, #2 QB ( free Agency the Bears Back up), heavier NT, pass rush extraordinaire OLB, SS, FS two Safeties with speed to cover, tackle machines, who bring the wood… depending on what holes FA fills….

    • NickS1

      Dutch would have had a field day calling Foles, Fales, just to be an ass.

    • Michael Winter Cho

      There’s a guy named Fales? No, man, I would get too confused with both a FOles and a FAles on the team.

    • JofreyRice

      I like Fales. I think he’s more like the guy everyone is pretending USC’s Mark Baxter is. Another weaker armed guy, though.

      All the QB’s are just so damn short though. I think Jimmy Garropolo and Derek Carr are the only 2 over 6’2–if you’re counting Logan Thomas as a QB, then there are three.

      • GEAGLE

        Fales had some nice moments in the first half of the senior bowl

  • Media Mike

    Here are the 15 finalists for the NFL HOF
    Morten Andersen
    Jerome Bettis
    Derrick Brooks
    Tim Brown
    Edward DeBartolo
    Tony Dungy
    Kevin Greene
    Charles Haley
    Marvin Harrison
    Walter Jones
    John Lynch
    Andre Reed
    Will Shields
    Michael Strahan
    Aeneas Williams

    Who are your 5 that get voted in?
    I have: Brooks, Brown, Jones, Shields, Williams.

    • Will

      Bettis, Haley, Lynch, Reed, Strahan……

      • Media Mike

        Bettis, when you look at his yards from scrimmage, isn’t a HOF player. He’s far far below Faulk and Martin. He actually fits in a yards from scrimmage and TD group with Edge, Warrick Dunn, Ricky Watters, and Tiki Barber. His yards per carry are poor and he was never one of the best 3 RBs in the NFL in any season and was only one of the 5 best once or twice. There is a reason he’s sitting around still.

        • Will

          Bettis was a brute to bring down…Tim Brown was a heck of a WR…when I looked at my list again hard to leave Brown out..

          • Media Mike

            Bettis was hard to tackle, but so were Stump Mitchell, Christian Okoye, and/or Natrone Means.

          • Will

            Agreed didn’t realize his stats were that poor..upon further consideration I’ll substitute Tim Brown for Bettis…

            Go with Brown,Haley, Lynch, Reed and Strahan….Aeneas Williams deserves it as well…

          • Media Mike

            If you peep pro football reference you can really dig into a guy’s stats. Bettis was more rep than production.

          • moesus

            While I don’t disagree with you, he’s 6th all time in rushing. That alone will get him in at some point.

            It’s insane that Brown and Harrison aren’t already in. The way WR’s have to wait is maddening.

          • Tikkit

            Don’t particularly like Chris Berman but I always liked his “Natrone Means-business” calls in the highlights

    • Tom W

      Brown, DeBartolo, Haley, Harrison, Jones, Strahan

      • Media Mike

        ha ha, you only get 5!

  • cliff henny

    Welker’s was a legal play, technically. timing was perfect, and little lucky as he couldnt see play. he also did launch, again legally, with shoulder at a player not looking for it-that’s not on welker though. lot different than eagles mesh which was just crapload of traffic. cheapshot, no…bordeline cheapshot, yes. belichick complaining about any PI calls as he has the grabbiest dbs and wrs who pushoff constantly, 100% annoying.

    • GEAGLE

      Technically it’s an illegal play,,but realistically it’s something that is NEVER called in the NFL, so It’s practically legal

  • Will

    I thought it was a great response since the Pats did the same thing earlier in the game and I don’t see Belichick bitch’in about that…Wes Welker not fined….

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10335663/nfl-deems-wes-welker-hit-aqib-talib-legal-talks-bill-belichick

  • GEAGLE

    Hype for today’s senior bowl
    ..
    Potential eagles targets to watch:
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    Shede Hagemen
    .
    Attaboy

    Buchanon
    ..
    CJ Fiederowicz.. Celeks eventual replacement? Great blocker, 6’7 260lbs, giant catch radius..CJ,Ertz and Coop would form a nasty redzone package
    ..
    McCullers…Big people beat up little people right? 6’8 360lbs…Big enough? Could see him replacing Gaethers in camp
    ..
    Keith McGill CB 6’3 205lbs Utah…can’t wait to see him up against top WR prospects
    ..
    Van Noy. versatile ILB/OLB type.. Need to see his pass rushing, because everything else will translate nicely to the NFL
    ..
    Jordan Mathews WR 6’3 210lbs…

    • Will

      Is that a 4:00 game?

      • GEAGLE

        Yup

    • cliff henny

      idea of CJ is really growing on me. in Redzone alone i’m sold. in 4th after wr, olb and safety, start getting depth/backups for the guys at tails ends of time in philly. 5th be a good time to look for ryans.

      • GEAGLE

        Def agree…I also think our offense will use significantly more two TE sets next year then we used this year. If you breakdown FOles numbers out of different personel grouping, he was at his most efficient out of two TE sets…we Absolutely have to start looking for eventual replacements for our older guys, that way when it’s time to replace them we will already have his replacement in our stable

        I don’t see the point in adding anothe TE who is a quasi WR like Ertz..but if we can get a pass catcher who is already a bruising blocker, it be a good idea to start grooming Celeks replacement! even if Brent has another year or two here…
        ….
        I’m calling a huge year two leap out of Ertz.. 1000 yards(or close to it), 8 TDs

        • Will

          Chip’s team goes 12-4 in 2014 and loses Championship game…..a much better team next year depending on how much the Defense and Kicker improve…bar injuries…

          • GEAGLE

            Tough tough schedule next year…I’d be happy to win 10 games again playing a much tougher schedule

          • Will

            yup but the fruit of the challenge will bring out a better team tested in the fire…I trust in Chip….58.8% Chip was not a happy Camper…will field a much better team next year…

          • GEAGLE

            We are one of the youngest, least experienced teams in the NFL…we are extremely fortunate that we are bringing back like 97% of our starters(bye Nate)…we will field a better team next year just by being one year older. Our young players bodies and NFL minds will be stronger..our guys will gel more, be more comfortable in these schemes,..
            ..
            We could do NOTHING this offseason, and we will still be a better team next year…very excited to see how much more we build this team these next few months

          • Will

            Man I’m so amped about March 11th, Draft Day, looking forward to going to camp next summer..Chip” Chess” Kelly is the real deal. A man with a plan who set his goal on Winning a Super Bowl. I believe he will be relentless until that goal is achieved…

          • Kev_H

            You can’t gauge a schedule’s toughness at this point.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I wouldn’t hold your breathe expecting the Niners and Seahawks games to be much easier next year

          • cliff henny

            9ers are going to lose some free agents on D, iupati and bowmen got knicked. defense takes step back, rungame slows, dont see 5/6 wins, but you dont win 12 games in a tough division for long (NE had benefit f maybe worst division for a dozen yrs). Seattle isnt going anywhere, they have another couple years. hope Sherman leaves, that’ll help.

          • GEAGLE

            man, Seattle and the Niners have talent waiting in the wings we haven’t even seen yet…
            ..
            Seattle HORDES pass rushers and they are going to lose Bennett in FA. I would EAT Graham’s dead money in a heartbeat if we could trade him for Jesse Williams who Seattle red shirted (assuming his knee isn’t Andrew Bynums level)
            ….
            Niners have talent like tank Carradine and Todd Marquate being groomed..they also know how to draft. They lose Goldson and replaced him with Reid..

            maybe those teams aren’t the juggernaut they were this year, but even if they fall off some, they will still be a tougher test then a lot of the teams we face this year…Seattle would have to lose BEASTMODE and 6 defenders for that game to be easier then some of the teams we faced this year…I think it’s mo

          • GEAGLE

            Think there is a much better chance of the Niners falling off then Seattle..
            ..
            we BASH the Colts for trading away their first round pick for trent Richardson, but it’s starting to look like Seattle got fleeced trading for Percy harvin

          • cliff henny

            dont think they are heads and shoulders above league that you cant picture how they’d come back to pack, and SF is easier to see, is all i was saying. 9ers, it’s already started, 2pro bowl starters hurt, and will lose players defensively. kaep goes down, they are in trouble. i seriously doubt anyone can run the offense like him-just athletically. think Seattle’s window is pretty large, again sherman is a good start. they will have to let some guys go. no doubt if Eagles win a super bowl, they’ll probably have to go thru 1 or both here in next 4-5 yrs.
            .
            my take is Eagles get another 2 full off-seasons to almost do whatever they want. can sign everyone, pick up top free agent or 2, hopefully draft well. SF/Sea are about maxed. we know in nfl you can peak for 2 or 3, maybe 4yrs, then reshuffle take another run with new batch. have to say these teams are somewhere in that range. Eagles havent even started. so it’s not direct competition. by ’15, hopefully beginning peak, that requires SF hanging on for 2 more yrs, just tough to do. stay ahead of Carolina and GB, be the leader of next wave.

          • Joe L

            Jesse Williams isn’t a pass rusher though, so I don’t see how we’d use him all that much. He was pretty much a space eater at Bama.

          • GEAGLE

            As a replacement for Gaethers or Square…pick one lol

          • GEAGLE

            Wonder if they are sleezy enough to cut Navarro, now that they got him to play cheap and his contract is about to balloon….that would be some dirty shiesty banner type ish

          • cliff henny

            8m dead $, doubt it. Banner, hate that guy. god really does hate cleveland, it’s official

          • NickS1

            They’re new coach is a Bucks Co. guy. Kinda pullin’ for him.

          • Maggie

            Why on earth would Sherman leave?

          • cliff henny

            $$$

          • cliff henny

            hopefully wont have 2 throw away nfc east home games in 1st half of season, should help with record. also, just never know who’ll be the tough luck injury teams, always a couple, like atlanta and GB this yr. will be harder, for sure, but i’ll bet couple of the teams we think are tough now wont be in 8-9 months.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah bunt that’s Not going to apply to the Niners or Seahawks. GB loses Aaron Rogers and they are DONE..
            ..
            Niners or hawks lose their QB, and yoû still face a beast of a defense and Beast of a run game…those teams would have to lose 10 important players for those games to become easy

          • cliff henny

            even if you mark those 2 as l’s, which i’ll probably do, still 14 other games. like Carolina, sounds hard today, cam goes down, thats a cakewalk. want 6-0 vs nfc east. AZ ditches Fitz-think palmer has repeat season? do agree another 10 wins would be good. if we went thru who we considered hard/med/easy today and revisit that in 9 months, be vastely different is all.

          • NickS1

            I hope we’re playing SEA/SF/CAR in first half of season, preferably first 1/4. Get it out of the way early, but remember what it was like to play a tough team, learn how to be that kind of team, and play like it the rest of the way to and thru the playoffs. Esp the D. I want our D to learn how to put that kind of beat down on teams. Make the other team feel the loss and feel demoralized.

          • cliff henny

            either sf or sea is in philly, pretty sure panthers are too, or i’d be bugging b-in-law for miller lites box seats, cause do know h/l, just not dates. going over for dinner, might as well start tonight, just in case. Eagles need to play like last 4 reg season games at home, 7-1 or 8-0, beat up nfc east. record will be close for 1st round bye.

        • cliff henny

          eagles move so fast, even down 14, can still be balanced. lynch out of Georgia could be there in 4th/5th too. get Barrow in 4th, see which drops to 5th. after taking evans att-guy and joyner. one can dream.
          .
          pretty sure they’ll draft celek’s replacement this year, just makes too much sense. after reading/seeing these late 3rd to 5th rd TEs, dont think they’ll risk colt.
          .
          yeah, read you posting that previously. 1k, is alot, 8tds in 16 games with foles, might be too lite.

          • GEAGLE

            After seeing him run in person, I just think he will be a major mismatch for anyone they try to match him up with. Too Big for Safeties, too fast for OLBs…and to see how his hands improved and how much better he got as the season went on..I think he can be a real weapon. Expecting major year two leap…funny, I thought 8TDs in this offense might be too light as well, but we have plenty of weapons who will wanna GET SOME!!… Doubt Ertz has less then 800 yards next year if he plays 16 games

            Yeah I like the kid from Georgia too. Definitely Worth looking at in today’s senior bowl…Don’t know that we would spent a pick on Lyeria…but I think we would def sign him if he goes Undrafted. But we would be taking a flier on him, so I don’t think wanting to give Colt a chance will keep us from drafting a TE if that’s the plan

          • cliff henny

            really? i expect shady to get 20tds and Foles to break Mannings td record. am i setting expectations too high?

          • Will

            Shoot for the stars and be happy if you land on the Moon…lol…

          • GEAGLE

            Considering I expect us to he hunting the broncos offensive records! you are probably asking the wrong person about expectations being “too high” :)

          • Will

            Brady/Manning are 38/37 and setting records..Foles needs to stay healthy, hone his craft, and gain game experience…Once the game slows for him and he’s a bit more seasoned next year, I expect another jump in his game this year…

          • NickS1

            Assuming Foles were able to be our QB at 38, that’s 2027, he’d have to have had a pretty badass career. That said, one bad half a season in that time frame and our idiot fan base would be all over WIP and The Fanatic, with dumbass Missanelli leading the charge, to have Foles run out of town. Half a season is all it would take.

          • Will

            Have faith….I think they finally found the right QB..still raw and green but gonna enjoy watching Foles grow in his game…

        • Tom W

          I think we may add an ilb to replace Ryans sooner then people think. His cap number and lack of playmaking ability is an issue. I know chip talks highly of him but I think it’s pretty obvious he is leaving plays on the field and is a liability in coverage.. Still a good player but I wouldn’t be suprised if we target Christian jones or van noy in the second rd to groom outside for a year and bring inside in 2015

          • cliff henny

            Barrow…LSU…wore 18…rumored to been sniffing around him already. 4th/5th rd would be ok w/ me. think either jones or vannoy have the size to play thumper mlb? pictured them more as kendricks, who might be the type that’s just plays good enough to keep job, but every year we discuss an upgrade. hopefully getting a 2nd yr in same role helps.

          • Joe L

            Van Noy’s game isn’t that of a thumper though. I think his best fit is as a SAM in a 4-3.

          • cliff henny

            he’s tough for me. last year loved the guy. no idea where to put him, but get him out there. this yr, didnt show as much, but sounded like scheme more than him. rather get olb that is pro ready rusher/great athlete, maybe needs a year to learn couple finer points. cole can cover 1st and 2nd for another yr. let rookie hunt qbs on 3rd.

          • Tom W

            I thought barrow when I saw lsu and 8 too … Great call. Christian jones could change the position and his frame is such u could easily add 10 lbs of muscle. Hws and a leader. Maybe 2 yrs to get in perfect shape to be thumper but would be awesome in dime and nickel or against giant tes.

          • cliff henny

            my only argument against jones in that scenario is the 2yrs, while olb wasnt address where jones would be picked-2nd round about, right? maybe sf or seat can take developement guys in 1, 2 or 3 but not eagles yet, those guys should be starters, day 1 impact players. cant see not getting olb, wr, saft/cb-db of some sort (joyner!) in any order. get to 4th and 5th, now those guys are backups, yr or 2 away, with good older player holding them up. TE, OL and ilb make sense to me.
            .
            also, i will like jones pick…tom, i flip flop very quickly. i wont complain about drafting any fsu or lsu defensive guy. heck, in 7th, i’d look at backups from those 2 schools.

          • GEAGLE

            Van Noy is Meco sized! and definitely physical enough to play inside next to Kendrick. have a feeling that we would LOVE Van Noy if he lasts til round two…for months I been writing about how he will dazzle us during the interview, and I’m already hearing we are impressed this week by what a sharp kid he is. There will be too much raw athletic talent on the board at 22 for us to call KVNs name, but if he is on the board in round two, there is a great chance IMO we call his name..

            A smart, physical, intelligent kid, “plays with hair on fire” versatile enough to play OLB and ILB…you can bet he will apeal to us on some level

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t hold your breathe..Ryan just literally had a career year in sacks and INTs, in his first year in a scheme he wasn’t supposed to be able to play. Chip adores him, he is our QB on defense and the face of the defensive locker room…you are high of you think Meco won’t be leading our defense again next year…we ain’t losing any important pieces, but we will add to them. We traded away a 4th round pick to get him two years ago, and he hasn’t under performed one bit. He isn’t going anywhere…but that doesn’t mean we won’t draft and start grooming his replacement

          • anon

            We have so many players that i love, just wish all of them were more dominant (I understand some are young, etc.). But couldn’t have a better group of guys, i literally like everyone, but want to replace them all with pro-bowlers.

          • Tom W

            O please stop w your man crush for an overrated ilb. He has 2 ints and 4 sacks for gods sake … Career highs maybe but shows how sad that is. Not elite numbers not even top 10. Rated as 54th best ilb for god sake bro … Now besides that his cap number is freaking huge for average production. Don’t give the chip loves him line chip talks highly about everyone especially the unsung guys … And I said we could draft his replacement in the 2d or 3d round for 2015 not next yr. to think otherwise would be a tad clouded. He is fine we have greater needs but if they see someone special like jones or vannoy I wouldn’t be suprised at all. Your man crush aside, much more likely we draft his replacement before celeks. And don’t give me the new defense excuse he played it before and texans trade him bc of horrible cap situation and bc they drafted well to replace him.

          • GEAGLE

            Blah blah blah…think I wouldn’t LOVE to replace Meco with a young Kiko Alonso or CJ Mosley? Who wouldn’t? But what I want doesn’t matter. It’s about what the EAGLES WILL DO, and I’d literally bet anything you want that Meco is here this year. THE ONLY question is at what price? I assume we will restructure, give him his money up front since they can count on him to perform so it frees up more cap space…you have to be clueless to think we are losing Meco this summer, flap your gums all you want, but Meco will be starting for us in September…you can take that to the bank

          • Tom W

            Reread never said he wouldn’t be here next yr I’m talking about 2015 and said that but thanks

          • GEAGLE

            I would have to read it the first time to be able to reread…and I always talked about the importance of drafting ILB so we can start grooming him in house to EVENTUALLY replace Meco. He may not be here in 2015, but my guess is sports science gets an extra year then normal out of him…but if we spend a 4th or 5th on an ILB, there is no reason why he can sit and learn for two years if Meco keeps playing at a high level. If Meco has another year like this year, then he won’t be replaced next offseason..if his game starts to show signs of decline, then this very well could be his last year

          • Hasan Currie

            My understanding is that the Eagles was paying a lot of attention to Chritian Jones and Deone Bucannon during senior bowl practices. I would like to see both of these guys in Eagle green.

    • Tom W

      Don’t sleep on Marcus smith, Christian jones, urban, and baptiste, and the right tackle/guard from Michigan

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t think we will be addressing Oline in the first 5 rounds, we are high on Tobin,Barbre can hold it down backing up multiple positions. If Dennis or Bamiro have been progressing nicely(I expect Dennis to be further along), then we really won’t draft Oline til round 5 at the earliest..
        ..
        Oregon had a guard who will be one of the top Guard prospects(if not the best) in next years draft, named Hroniss Grasu…Lane will be in his 3rd year by then, I can see us cutting Herremans after next season and plugin a rookie guard into the lineup

    • Tom W

      McCullers remind way too much if geathers …. Sleeping giant

  • Token

    :”Accuracy will always be the thing he needs to overcome”

    yea…..no thanks. Boyd sucks.

    • Will

      We already got a pick magnet at Back up QB..no thanks…

      • Will

        A down vote for being honest about Barkley…lol…

        • Joe L

          A down vote for being concerned with down votes. Haha

        • GEAGLE

          People sounded a lot like you when they talked about FOles this time last year…watching a rookie QB struggle can be very misleading….now I didn’t see all the encouraging signs that I saw in FOles rookie play, but there was some things to like about his play this year..
          ..
          I think our coach sees him as promising, but I have no clue what level he will max out as….what we do in FA in terms of QB should tell us all we need to know about what Chip really thinks of Barkley…if we don’t sign a veteran backup who will be more then just a camp body, that will be a very encouraging sign for barkley

          • Will

            I liked Foles all along saw flashes of greatness…Barkley I could be dead wrong about if so will eat crow…I just do not see an NFL arm from him yet…maybe the shoulder was still healing very possible…

          • GEAGLE

            You weren’t supposed to see an NFL arm yet…everyone knew A) his arm was still recovering from the injury
            B) His arm strength would have to be developed the first few years

            We made that pick KNOWING his arm wasn’t NFL ready…

            I’m not saying that It like him or that I’m confident in his future, but it’s too early to crap on him, and make definitive statements about what he can and can’t ever do at this level. Hopefully he maxes out as a Chad Pennington type! but he has a long way to go. I don’t like his size, so the hope is that he has a few impressive Kirk cousin type outings so we can flip him for some value

          • Will

            True on all points…Time will tell….Agree gotta have 3 QB’s in today’s NFL. The player’s are bigger, stronger, faster and it is still a violent game even if they are trying to protect player’s with all the new rules…..

          • anon

            He was a 4 years starter in a pro style offense. He said by the time he was about to start his arm was ok. It’s really not can he make the throws his throws were terrible at times…but is he a good decision maker. The poor decision making was concerning to me considering his college / hs pedigree but kelly seems to like him. I don’t see drafting another QB considering all of the needs.

            BUT i don’t think the argument that we need more than 1/2 QBs is totally off base. We allowed 47 sacks this year + all the designed QB runs, it’s not unheard of that Foles could get popped on a scramble or designed run (he did this year) or that he could tear an ACL on a designed run (sam bradford, bryan hoyer, etc.).

            Let’s also not pretend like the offense doesn’t require an athletic QB. Thats one of the things Foles specifically will have to work on this offseason. It’s just part of the offense’s ability to stretch / confuse the D. Accuracy / Decision Making are more important but athleticism is a part of it.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol..ok. Keep telling yourself that.

            When will people realize that this whole Chip Kelly offense is a mythical unicorn…every year his Oregon teams were different. He morphs his offense to suite the strengths of his players.
            ..
            “Let’s not pretend this offense doesn’t need a mobile QB” ??? Lol OK.

            Do people, realize that Nick FOles was top 10 in QB rushing this year? Lol he didn’t even play an entire season..he will come back a better athlete next year….It’s friggin ABSURD that dopes are still talking about QB speed. You don’t NEED a fast running QB!!! YOU NEED a QB who is WILLING to run when holes part wide open like Moses and the Red Sea..

            I’ll give you the REAL analysis on Barkleys play this year.

            IMPRESSIVE: Came off the bench, cold, First NFL action, and he came into the game FIRING and decisive for the most part. That’s a very encouraging sign..he just wasn’t used to NFL windows closing as fast as they do. he saw the throws, he just misjudged how open the windows would stay open for him to deliver the ball, and it resulted in INTs..as he gains experience, his arm will get stronger and he will be able to better gauge what he can and can’t get away with….I thought it was very encouraging that he didn’t come into the game, gun shy and frantic..

            bad Signs: the scariest thing for me was that he seemed afraid and unwilling to keep the ball when defenses dared him to. FOles isn’t fast, but He isn’t afraid to run, and he will make a defense pay for daring him to run, picking up 5yards consistently…It was alarming to me to see Matt afraid to keep the ball, and while we won’t ever need him to be fast, he has to keep the ball enough to make defenses respect him

            Soooo many QBs didn’t have sufficient arm strength at rookies, improved on it, and went on to have solid NFL careers…while it’s not a given, it’s too early to say he doesn’t have a chance to develop enough to make it

          • Will

            Giraffes on ice skates win Super Bowls…Look at Brady same type body, pocket QB with an excellent arm who is just a fabulous decision maker…Foles just needs the game to slow down for him and continue to study NFL Defenses.

          • anon

            So we have a QB that rushes a lot (enough that Foles was top 10 in rushing) but we don’t need an athletic QB. There’s a difference between athletic QB and a run first QB. Luck is athletic, but not a running QB.

            Why is your analysis the real analysis? We made 2 different points about Barkley, my point actually had nothing to do with his arm strength which I wasn’t really concerned about. Does make quick decisions which is a good thing.

          • GEAGLE

            If we NEEDED a running QB we wouldn’t be about to start the FOles era. This offense creates huge Lane for any QB to pick up 5 yards. This OFFENSE requires a QB who will occasionally take those 5 yards so that they can’t just crash down on Shady…NEEDING leg speed is a joke, and I feel like I’m being PUNKED reading silly QB speed BS

            EVERY coach will always want the smartest, most accurate passer and leader of men…we have that, just sit back and watch him develop

            Only this fanbase would continue to spew this BS after witnessing one of the best seasons a young QB has ever put together at the NFL level…only in philly smh

          • Maggie

            Totally agree. As you said, athleticism doesn’t just refer to running. It means total body conditioning.

          • Maggie

            I wonder if his shoulder needed healing or maybe his “self-worth”.

          • Token

            If Chip really likes Barkley they wont take a QB this year. It wouldnt make sense IMO.

            I think Barkley was a Howie pick. he loved the kid for years and couldnt pass him up in the 4th.

            Guess we will see. Cant believe how far away the draft is.

          • GEAGLE

            Depends how much he likes Barkley. If he thinks Barkley is ready to be counted on as Nicks backup, we will most likely draft a developmental QB…If Barkley still is Chips developmental QB, then we will sign a veteran FA and not draft a QB….what we do in FA should tell us about Barkley and whether or not we are drafting a QB

        • cliff henny

          give barkley another pre-season before flushing him. shoulder was an issue in august, and stood really no chance in reg season games.

        • Maggie

          It might have been the “pick magnet” though.

    • cliff henny

      he throws like 2nd baseman turning 2. rarely set, chicken armed, not as athletic as led to believe. have never gotten boyd hype.

      • Joe L

        Meh, I feel like people really undersell his arm strength. Joe Flacco, big time arm? No. But he’s able to make just about every throw, and even that is with sloppy footwork. I’d say his arm is every bit of what Foles is, that’s average for the NFL.

        • cliff henny

          i’ve watched all but maybe 3 or 4 games live, and i can tell you for sure, he throws darn near sidearm on anything under 10 yards, never sets his feet, is not accurate enough to fit ball ito tight windows and throws so many lob/touch passes that will be picked in nfl it’s disgusting. boyd road the coattails of having supreme SEC talent around him. most dont realize how much clemson has changed since sweeney started recruiting like a madman. good college player, terrible pro.

          • Joe L

            An ACC team with supreme SEC talent? I’m amazed they didn’t dominate at that point. I think Boyd is what most realistic people think he is, a project. I don’t know why everyone is so up in arms about potentially drafting him.

          • cliff henny

            horrible horrible coaching. i mean horrible…but sweeney can recruit. clemson easily has Florida Georgia USC level players. just south of lsu. it’s that good. wait till you see next batch of players. had 3 wrs run under 4.5 40′s not even see the field. Clemson has only lost to SEC teams and FSU plus routed by good wv in ’11 bowl game, last 3 years. beating lsu fsu usc and auburn twice. they play and beat good SEC teams every year.

        • JofreyRice

          Joe Flacco has an absolute gun. Foles is nowhere near him in arm strength.

          • Joe L

            I think you misread my post, totally.

          • JofreyRice

            If you meant to convey the point that he doesn’t have a Flacco-caliber arm, but that it’s good enough for the NFL, you should have worded it differently. Your phrasing is unclear.

          • Joe L

            You got it now.

    • ACViking

      T -

      That says it all. Snap.

  • Dominik

    “but the sense I got in Mobile is that the team felt it really had a
    chance to make a run. The Eagles thought the draw set up nicely for
    them. They liked their chances in Carolina against the Panthers and were
    hoping for a home matchup against the 49ers in the NFC title game.”

    Thinking about hosting the 49ers in the CCG was a reach, but beating the Panthers would have been possible, imho. But we shouldn’t whine around, we played a good season. Let’s just get better next year.

    • Will

      That’s what they get looking ahead instead of Win The Day or one game at a time…maybe next year the Offense won’t stall and your Defense and ST are that much better…So let’s see if they go get a K, #2 QB, tall WR, NT, OLB, SS, and FS so they can go deeper in the play offs…they need to bring there A game next year’s schedule is a lot tougher…

    • GEAGLE

      I think we coulda stole one from the Niners…when we were predicting the Seattle/Niners game, I wrote that the Niners have had a really tough! taxing road and that they would run out of steam in the conference title game..

      They ahead a tough battle in freezing Greenbay, then a physical battle with Carolina..I would have liked our chances with them traveling cross country for the 3rd week in a row, and making them face a lot of fast tempo

      I can’t wait til the first time Harbaugh and Pete Carroll have to face Chip in the NFL. Can’t wait!!!! Next year!!!

      • anon

        Stanford v. Oregon hasn’t been awesome for Oregon.

        • Will

          Seattle vs. Eagles …that’s the team to beat, if we can beat them head up we’ve got a contender if not a pretender…

          • anon

            Either team, i think it’ll be good for us to play a hard nose defensive team. One thing that troubles me is that we’re very much a finesse team, I don’t know if that plays well against old school defenses.

          • Will

            Bronco’s 49ers, Seahakws those are the top teams now. Chip has a template of what he is building. We as fans just need to be patience, Chip set a goal and strikes me as a Pitbull that is utterly relentless till he achieves what he set out to do…

        • moesus

          Chip as OC/HC at Oregon is 3-1 vs Harbaugh and 1-1 vs Carroll.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol, yeah people seem to only remember the one time Harbaugh beat Oregon lol
            ..
            If you don’t think Chip has ever layed a beating on Harbaugh then you obviously haven’t seen “the ultimate chess match game” where Chip made Harbaugh his BITCH!

          • moesus

            Gerhart ran all over them that game. 200+ and 3 TD’s. Luck didn’t play well but the Oregon offense sputtered out of the gate. Masoli missed some key passes early but it was close at the end.

            The week before that they gave Carroll his worst loss at USC (Trojans were ranked #4 I believe)

        • GEAGLE

          Do some research then go back and edit your statement,,,
          ..
          hint: start with the “ultimate cHess match” game

        • ACViking

          A — over the past 2 season, you’re right. The prior two seasons, Oregon ran up and down the field at will more or less. But in 2009, Stanford won the shootout, while Oregon won in ’08. Been a pretty even battle over the past 6 years.

      • Dominik

        The 49ers would have traveled to Seattle if we’d have beaten the Saints. I don’t know if they’d won that game, it was close in the CCG.

        If Seattle wins we are travelling there and I don’t think we would have won that game.

  • Kev_H

    I agree with the team. They certainly didn’t over achieve- I had ‘em going to the conference title game. Realize that with QB stability, they might have won two more games (at least).

    • Joe L

      Before the season you had them going to the NFC title game?

      • GEAGLE

        Please, I’m sure he was parroting the BS about how we had no talent on defense and would be historically bad again on defense lol

  • ACViking

    SK wrote: “The Eagles thought the [playoff] draw set up nicely for them”

    The only thing they didn’t figure in to this calculus was their rookie head coach getting out-coached by a D-coordinator whom some think is 2nd rate, and the Birds’ D-coordinator getting out-coached by the opposing head coach.

    That whole “we liked the draw” sounds like Roseman and Lurie talking. Chip Kelly doesn’t strike me as someone who’s wasting his time looking back at what could have been.

    • Tom W

      Probably a dopey scout or 2

  • Media Mike

    Well, my good deed for the day is done. Chris Burke, named after the actor that played the mentally challenged guy on Life Goes On, has the following article up on SI.com

    http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/24/eight-in-the-box-future-super-bowl-host-cities-london-seattle/

    It doesn’t list Philly, but has Seattle, Pittsburgh, DC. Denver, etc. as possible Super Bowl destinations.
    He received a profanity laden tweet for his troubles.

  • theycallmerob

    I wish Belicheat would stop crying all the time. He has no right to complain about anything, ever, until he gives back the ’04 trophy and ring.

    • Media Mike

      I blame Roy Williams for breaking TO’s leg. 100% health TO in that game takes a few of those catches to the house. And draws a lot of coverage away from Westbrook.

      • Coatesvillain

        I blame Reid’s one sided play calling more than anything else.

      • Maggie

        I would quite happily volunteer to break TO’s other leg and maybe one of his lazy-bum arms as well. Then make a needle out of a piece of bone, some thread from tendon and sew his lying yapping mouth shut.

    • GEAGLE

      Nothing would make me happier then seeing them not win a Super Bowl since getting caught cheating. Could you imagine how much bellicheat would be bitching if we had beaten them in the SB and got caught cheating?

  • JofreyRice

    I’d much rather have Stephen Morris, from Miami. Better arm, better athlete. Decision-making was really bad–especially throwing into the middle of the field, but he has a lot of raw talent. Isn’t that kind of what a developmental 3rd stringer is supposed to be? And I’m not totally convinced that Kelly doesn’t scheme up some easy looks for QBs, based on how he employs the running game, and the pre-snap movement of the receivers. I know the focus has been on Foles, but over an admittedly small sample size, and when healthy, Vick was better under Kelly than he was under Reid, as well.

    They are going to have to add a QB. I’m really intrigued as to who that will be. Kelly’s got a lot of history with aggressively pursuing dual-threat QBs as a recruiter: Mariota, Manziel, EJ Manuel, Tahj Boyd, Terrelle Pryor. But that was Oregon. It can’t be ignored that they drafted a pocket guy in Max Berkley, last year, and despite his horrid decision making and udon noodle arm, Kelly seems really high on him.

    • Joe L

      I can’t tell if you’re trolling with the ‘Max Berkley’ thing or not.

      • JofreyRice

        Me neither.

        • UKEagle99

          His name is Mark. Berwin told me so.

    • Tom W

      I want Morris too or similar raw talent late

  • dislikedisqus

    I am in the minority on the pick play. The way I see it, if a DB could not do that to a receiver, a WR should not be able to do it to a DB. I don ‘t have to label it “dirty”, to me it was clearly offensive PI, or should be defined as such.

    Separate point: Tajh Boyd does not have to “overcome” accuracy. He has to overcome “inaccuracy”.

    • mtn_green

      Confusing, a true pick is illegal, usually it is getting a db stuck in traffic, or in a position where they have to go around a wr.

      • dislikedisqus

        What I mean was a DB could not leave his man to flatten a WR when the ball is coming to the WR. So a WR should not be able to flatten a DB when the ball is coming to the guy the DB is covering. To me it’s just PI.

  • GEAGLE

    Van Noy just Beasted Seantrel Henderson on his was to a Sack…

    • Tom W

      Lots of big corners … McGill looks stiff in the hips … 3 other guys around his size from Nebraska liberty and lindenwhatever. No ints in 3 yrs for McGill seems strange.

      Ford’s meteoric rise reminds me of another undersized d end named Brandon graham who was MVP of senior bowl and graham even had much better college production whereas ford just stepped it up halfway through his senior season. Gotta trust the tape and not make same mistake Andy did all those yrs over drafting senior bowl guys.

      Sheed looked really good bull rushing Moses into the qb … Think he could really change the defense if we got him. The monster from Tennessee is a wimp.

      • Joe L

        McCullers from Tennessee is not going to be asked to be anything but a space eater. He’ll be the type of guy that needs at least two guys to move him off his spot in the run game on a regular basis allowing our LB’s free run at the ball carrier.

        • Tom W

          Same could be said of geathers but he is on his 5th team. If it was that easy running the ball would be nonexistent

    • cliff henny

      missed game, i’m sure you took notes that would make Lurie proud

      • GEAGLE

        It was the Dee ford show… Boyd was laughable, u would have enjoyed it :)

  • GEAGLE

    How big is the physical corner Aiken out of Liberty?

    • Joe L

      He measured in at 6’0 1/2 205 lbs

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    I saw Bucannon a couple of times and thought that he looked great. He seemed to be excellent in coverage and downright nasty as a hitter. Any Birds fans out west that have a bigger sample size have an opinion on him? Is he lacking in speed?

    • GEAGLE

      We would be lucky to have him..he gets a bad rep in coverage because he is big and people automatically assume he has stiff hips but I think the kid can play. He is a playmaking centerfielder, nice range, delivers the BOOM. Three are games where he was all over the place. LOve to have him..

      Calvin Pryor, Buchanon, we would be lucky to get either. I like Dion Baily, but I don’t like endorsing USC players, and I have much more coverage concers about to Bailey then Buchanon..Baily played LB for USC his first two years and recently converted to safety. I have a sweet spot for those big Cam Chancellor types who lay the wood, but They probably aren’t up to par coverage wise