Wake-Up Call: Kiper Talks Eagles, Draft

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Mel Kiper released his first 2014 mock draft on Wednesday. He has the Eagles selecting Florida State wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin with the No. 22 overall pick.

I’d consider this more of a “best player available” pick than an outright need, but Benjamin would fill a distinctive role for the Eagles. Riley Cooper has decent size, but doesn’t create separation with speed (and is a free agent), and DeSean Jackson is exceptionally quick still, but lacks a physical presence. Benjamin combines some of both, with a huge frame for a wide receiver at near 6-5 and a lean 230-plus pounds. He possesses not just speed, but a lot of change-of-direction burst. He can simply overwhelm defenders and make plays, and would be a nice weapon for Chip Kelly.

Kiper joined Tony and Harry on 97.5 The Fanatic to discuss other potential options for the Eagles. Besides Benjamin, Kiper sees USC’s Marqise Lee  (6-1, 198) as another possibility at wide receiver. He also has Clemson’s Sammy Watkins (6-1, 205), Texas A&M’s Mike Evans (6-5, 225), Oregon State’s Brandin Cooks (510, 186), LSU’s Odell Beckham, Jr. (6-0, 193) and Penn State’s Allen Robinson (6-3, 210) going in the first round.

“It’s one of the strongest positions in the draft, at least early,” said Kiper.

As for the safety position, Kiper is high on Louisville’s  Calvin Pryor (6-2, 208). He projects Pryor to be selected by the Packers at No. 21 — one slot ahead of the Eagles.


"He's tremendously instinctive, he's a ball hawk, he's one of Charlie Strong's all-time favorite players that he's ever had at Louisville. I think he's going in the first round," said Kiper. "I have him going 21 to Green Bay but he's a guy that if he's there, he's going to be interesting."

He also mentioned Florida State safety Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 190) as an option in the second round.

A long way to go before draft time, but some names to mull over, anyway.

In case you're curious, Kiper has Johnny Manziel being taken by Houston with the top overall pick.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Bill Lazor is heading to Miami.

Any chance Michael Vick is back in Eagles green next year? We give our take.

Measurables still matter to Chip Kelly, Sheil writes.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Geoff Mosher on the future of Todd Herremans. 

Another tough one to figure out. He started every game for an offensive line that helped LeSean McCoy lead the NFL in rushing and Nick Foles lead the NFL in passer rating, but his pass protection isn’t rock solid and he’s slated to make $3 million. He’ll cost $1.2 million against the cap if he’s cut. Pay cut in store? Perhaps. But he’ll get one more season. STAYS

Tommy Lawlor throws out a few names that could potentially replace Lazor as quarterbacks coach.

The Eagles could promote Press Taylor, the offensive quality control coach. The problem is that he was a college QB in 2010, which tells you how young he is. Lazor had worked for the Falcons, Seahawks and Skins before joining the Eagles. He had also been the OC for the University of Virginia. He was a veteran coach. Taylor would be a huge leap backward in terms of experience. I’d be nervous about that with such young QBs.

Scott Frost is the OC at Oregon now and worked under Kelly. He could be a target. Frost spent some time in the NFL so he knows the environment.

Karl Dorrell could be of interest. He was the QB coach for the Houston Texans. He’s been a head coach at UCLA.

COMING UP

Our "Crystal Ball" series continues with a look at Nate Allen.

 

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  • Will

    As much as I would love a Safety at #22 if Kelvin Benjamin falls I think they pull the trigger on show me the Benjamins….

    • Richard Colton

      be a great value pick. have to love the measurables. I agree with Harty17 below about the combine yeasting this guy up. By any chance did you see the linc JR sent yesterday? Some good stuff about the top four WRs in the draft – makes me want Evans/Benjamin even more.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Pick Benjamin bye bye Maclin, lets go, two days ago I would have never thought they’d take him at 22 but now jeeze if he’s there pull the trigger, safety can wait till 2nd or even next year… Or Byrd of course..

        • aub32

          Are you saying bye bye Maclin in the future or this year. I’d argue that signing Maclin ensures we have someone in place in case Mel Kiper is wrong, which tends to happen a lot.

          • NickS1

            If it’s a one or two year prove it type deal, have to keep Maclin. With two months between FA and the draft, have to be safe.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Right ya 2 months before, didn’t really mean at the same time.. Can’t really do one or the other though ya. I think Maclin gets a multiyear he likes and takes it, so would be gone by the draft.
            I guess I was more saying… Bye bye Maclin and then hello Benjamin.. don’t think he’ll drop to 22 though so

          • UncleCarm

            I agree. Mock drafts are great to give us our football fix, but are they ever right (after the first few picks)? Benjamin looks good at this point, but he still needs to be interviewed to see if his attitude and personality fit into the system.

          • Richard Colton

            Don Banks – 8.0 a few days before the draft is usually scary accurate. Pretty sure he’s a Time Lord.

          • jjcraz

            Awesome Dr. Who reference!

        • Token

          I disagree with this thought process. You resign Mac and Cooper. Then still take a high pick WR to play outside. We need to be adding weapons. Not simply replacing them.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Agreed but only so many snaps, if mac coop and rookie WR are there, Avant most definitely gone right? Ya

          • Token

            Jackson-Maclin-Cooper-New high pick.

            I just want the new pick to be a legit outside guy. Big, physical, can go get a ball. A 1st down machine.

            The other three can play inside or outside on any given snap.

    • Token

      You cant teach hands. Doesnt Benjamin drops a bunch of balls? I like the physical presence of a Mike Evans. But I have no clue about his speed or route running ability.

      • theycallmerob

        ?? hands are one of the few things you actually can develop later in one’s life. What do you think a JUGS machine is for?
        unless you mean one’s ability to “catch with their hands”, or away from their body. this is critical for big WRs, who need to play big and high point a ball. but I don’t see any indication this is an issue for Benjamin

        • Token

          I dont see it often. TO never developed his hands much. Jackson still body catches most balls. I think its kind of a natural skill. Im trying to think of a guy with bad hands that turned into good hands. Off the top of my head I cant think of one.

          • theycallmerob

            …..wait a second. let me make sure I read that right. So, if we got a guy with TO size, TO physicality, TO effort, TO ability to get open, TO ability for RAC, but mediocre/TO hands, that wouldn’t be a good thing because it’s unlikely he’d ever have great hands?

          • Eagles4Life

            LOL checkmate.

          • Token

            Dont think I said that, maybe ill have to read my post again.

            We are talking about hands being a improvable skill.

            Generally, the guys who lead the league in drops stay on that list over their career. You will also find names of some of the best WRs in the game on that list.

            Lets first say Benjamin is not TO. Not in anyway. So I dont know where that came from.

            For me, picking a WR for this team right now…. I want sure hands. The guy im picturing will be able to fight for balls in the air. Bring it down with bodies around him. Make the tough 3rd and 5 catch on a slant route.

            Maybe thats this kid, im asking….. I thought I heard his hands are suspect. I thought Evans stregth was using his body. Playing the ball in the air, getting it at its highest point. Sure hands.

            Could be wrong about him. If your telling me Benjamin is the next TO skill wise then lets go. But If hes TO mentally, ill pass.

          • theycallmerob

            I was just goofing a little with the TO bit.
            Just making the point that, from what I’ve seen, he is very much a 1st td talent. Granted, I’m not a Benjamin expert, but I don’t think his hands are such and issue that he is a consistent dropper on this level.
            And I’d argue ’til the cows come home that hand skills are one of the most improvable skills of them all. For very few players is this a physical issue (those great athletes just become DBs); it is almost entirely work ethic, will, and dedication to craft. A lot of these basketball playing TEs have great hands from being good passers and handlers in that sport.
            Playing in the air/high-pointing is also a different skill altogether. I’d say that would be my bigger concern or red flag, if a 6’5″ guy isn’t known for “playing big”

          • Token

            You could be right. TO for example. He was near the top of the drops list every year it seemed. But he always seemed to make the big catch. I just dont believe guys get much better at catching throughout their career.

            Benjamin ill have to watch I guess. Your last sentence is important. I want a true big target. I want to know if Benjamin is physical enough. Does he make those catches in traffic.

            All this talk of WR. Im hoping the Eagles are able to somehow get a pass rusher. Maybe Orakpo gets out of Washington with the coaching change.

          • theycallmerob

            Important to look at the # of targets they see in the offense; that’s why I sorted by that column. You are correct about TO; higher drop rate but obscene amount of targets (so that high % is forgotten anecdotally because every 1 drop seemed to correspond with 5 or 6 jaw-dropping catches). In fact, one might say (anecdotally) Ertz had a few wow catches this year.
            Guys with more than 80+ targets and high drop % in ’13 included Reggie Bush (11.3%), Santana Moss (8.9%), Cecil Shorts (8.1%, but 123 targets!), and even Jamaal Charles (7.7% on 104 targets).

            ….and I, too, want to see that pass rusher come through the novacare doors this spring!

          • southy

            RB drops are a different animal. Swing passes and screens often come in low/behind the player’s momentum and it’s generally a question of the RB trying to figure out where to run before the ball arrives. Come to think of it, even Moss probably got a large % of targets at the LOS.

          • southy

            I’d say that would be my bigger concern or red flag, if a 6’5″ guy isn’t known for “playing big”

            See Momah, Ifeanyi

        • Richard Colton

          was hoping a JUGS machine was something else. nope.

      • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

        That was the same thing they said about Zach Ertz before the draft and he’s done alright.

        • Token

          Ertz seemed to drop a bunch of balls this year to me.

          • theycallmerob

            anecdotal; I can’t access PFF’s drop rates, but according to FO he had a decent 64% catch rate- catches/targets (1% better than Celek; also better than Graham, V. Davis, Gronk, J. Cook, Z. Miller)
            http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

          • Token

            Does it tell you drops by week? He really struggled early, maybe a confidence issue. Seemed to not drop as many later in the year.

          • theycallmerob

            According to NFL, only 1 drop on 56 targets
            http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

            I don’t know if that counts the end zone one in the playoff game….can’t think of when the other was, MIN? DAL?

          • Token

            No way its 1. Dont know what they count as a drop. But he was dropping a bunch of balls early on.

            I remember it being surprising since his hands were supposed to be a main strength of his.

          • theycallmerob

            true. I think a LOT of that was TC and PS. that’s when the media was really hounding him.
            and although their metric may be off, it would be consistently off for all other players. Based on his limited targets, I sorted by that column; he has a tremendous drop % compared to his peers in that sense. Some of the names around him- Rob Housler, Lance Moore, Burleson, Zach Miller, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark…even Celek.

          • southy

            I think Tim and Sheil even wrote about it a little.

  • Will

    Eagles assistant DL coach headed to Oregon. Erik Chinander has been named outside linebackers coach at the University of Oregon. The 34-year-old Iowa native served as assistant defensive line coach for the Philadelphia Eagles during the 2013 season following three years as an intern (2010) and graduate assistant (2011-12) for the Ducks under former head coach Chip Kelly. (image courtesy ofPhiladelphiaEagles.com) per BGN….http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.db

    • anon

      Someone doesn’t like the east coast?

      • ftotheyu

        Probably. I’m an East Coast lifer but from the people I know who grew up on the left coast it seems a lot nicer there. Milder weather, generally more laid back people, and better scenery. But with that said, I still prefer the East Coast grittiness.

        • theycallmerob

          and biggie smalls

        • EaglePete

          ya but once you leave, like I did, and go back to visit you dont miss it much besides family. The rat race in full swing, more traffic, more aholes. No thanks but its my roots so I still love it, just from afar.

  • TNA

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    • G_WallyHunter

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    • Explorer51

      Totally agree. I read Sheil when he was doing terrific Eagles analysis at Philly.com; as a bonus, he would always respond to comments and emails. When I saw that he was leaving, I wrote him a note thanking him for all the great stuff he did during his tenure there…and he wrote back saying “I can’t go into details but there will be an announcement soon.” Voila…Birds 24/7 with two terrific, smart writers who keep us interested 24/7/365…and it shows in the must-read comments portion after each article.

      • Mr. Magee

        Ditto explorer – exactly the same experience for me

  • Harty17

    Unfortunately if Benjamin lights up the combine (which I think he will), he’ll be gone before #22. I think Pryor goes earlier too….

    • cliff henny

      just pushes someone down. KB going before 20, might mean Evans is there.

  • cliff henny

    if Benjamin is taken in 1st, can wait till 3rd for OLB, there isnt a choice in 2nd if Joyner is available. Secondary with Williams, Fletcher, Boykins, Wolff, Joyner and Byrd takes weakness into strength, and allows Davis to play darn near any defense he can dream up. cole and Graham (unless miami wants to give 4th/5th rdr) can play first half of season while rookie LB gets up to speed. not really difficult to see how defense can be greatly improved with couple moves, doesnt need to be overhauled like last year. on offense, kelly gets full off-season with vets and most importantly Foles, knowing outside couple upgrades at wr maybe a TE, who and how the main guys play. offense should be even better.

    • Richard Colton

      Just a guess Cliff, but I’m not thinking Attachou or Sam last until round two. I think one or both end up going ahead of Van Noy – but even he’s going to be a second rounder. Would you be OK with missing on OLB in draft completely?

      • cliff henny

        there’s plenty more, jeffcoat, shembo. guys fall, guy rise, just pushes more talented guy down, maybe a Landry is there in 3rd, now offense is light out stacked. also heard from friend who follows every tweet and blog, eagles like olb from USC-kennard later in draft, like 5th.
        .
        i really dont care how eagles do it, work from front 7 back-taking olb earlier, or secondary forward-safety earlier with byrd and developing olb, combo of 2, just as long as i can see it. so far, that’s what i love about the Eagles/kelly, i can see it. ask a cowboy, giant, skins fan how they get better and it’s a laundry list of hypotheticals and crazy draft scenarios, like taking 3 1st yr pro bowlers in upcoming draft. eagles dont need to move heaven and earth to get better. have cap to get impact free agent and depth, howie tosses another nice draft at us, 2nd year jump under kelly, it’s right there, not that hard.

        • Richard Colton

          I haven’t seen much of Jeffcoat yet to say; I don’t think Prince Shembo is a difference maker for our pass rush. He really doesn’t excite me as much as some of the other names. I just want Barr, Benjamin, and HaHa…without giving up any future picks. Too much to ask?

          • cliff henny

            watch all of his bowl game against oregon. he was stand up backer, walking the line. he chased down a bit hobbled MM, but still showed speed. unless you just hate texas, he is an option.
            .
            Shembo is killing it at sr bowl practices. or, what my tweet following friend tells me.
            .
            who knows, i was pulling for Lane, but talking about jordan was just more fun, 3 months catting up OT is boring. someone will be there at 22 that’ll help Eagles. more names that get pushed into top 20, will get a guy like Beasley to fall.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah – no doubt. A 6’5″ WR with blazing speed or a freak at OLB is a sexier pick, but at #22 – you need to be willing to cast a wider net.

            Specialist/QB/TE/RB/C – that’s all I’m taking off my first round board.

          • NickS1

            No special teams aces in round 1? I know you want another Matthews brother not named Clay…

          • Richard Colton

            Here you go – 6th round back up ILB/Special Teams Ace. Bonus? His name’s Andrew Jackson.

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273852/andrew-jackson

          • NickS1

            Does he have a successful older brother with serious name recognition, the hype of whom the younger will never live up to? If not, he’s not our guy.

          • Richard Colton

            Might be distantly related to DeSean. Not 100% sure.

          • aub32

            I would add G and ILB to that list. Everything else is fair game.

          • Token

            If they take another 1st round OL ill puke. They need a impact player at that spot.

          • Richard Colton

            Staying at #22 – a 50/50 prop given our history, I don’t know if you can guarantee an impact player. I’d be happy with a quality starter. I know that limiting ourselves to one or two positions might hamstring us.

          • Token

            I dunno. Seems like players always fall to that range. QBs that have no business going top 10 will go top 10. Shorts olympics studs like Dion Jordan will go top 10. Some team will make a crazy pick in the top 15. Happens every year.

            Im confident a impact player will be there. Or at least within striking distance of 3 picks. This team needs so many players tho, id rather just stand pat this year.

          • theycallmerob

            Here’s a recent look at the 22nd pick:
            ’13- ATL- CB Desmond Trufant
            ’12- CLE- QB Brandon Weeden
            ’11- IND- OT Anthony Castonzo
            10- DEN- WR Demaryius Thomas
            ’09- MIN- WR Percy Harvin
            ’08- DAL- RB Felix Jones
            ’07- CLE- QB Brady Quinn
            ’06- SF- OLB Manny Lawson
            ’05- BAL- WR Mark Clayton
            ’04- BUF- QB J.P. Losman
            ’03- CHI- QB Rex Grossman
            ’02- NYJ- DE Bryan Thomas
            ’01- NYG- CB Will Allena
            ’00- SEA- OT Chris McIntosh
            ’99- SEA- DE Lamar King

            not exactly a list of sure-fire pro bowlers

          • Token

            http://www.mynfldraft.com/NFL-Draft-Picks/24th-overall/240309/

            Check out that site. Maybe its what you used. But look through from pick 20 to pick 30. Just depends on the year, but theres players to be found in that range.

          • cliff henny

            can say that about any 10 pick range. i went back once and redrafted ’10 and ’11, taking same position and within 5 picks then expanded to a round by the end. 20/20 hindsight, eagles would be working on 3rd straight lombardi, was quite fustrating.

          • Eagles4Life

            your purpose must have been to frustrate yourself…especially with those two years lol

          • cliff henny

            yeah, was curious what a ‘perfect’ draft would look like. we already know what an imperfect draft looked like first hand.

          • Richard Colton

            I know he can probably play outside too, so its not exactly fair, but you mean to tell me if (somehow) Mosley were to fall to #22 you wouldn’t take him? I wouldn’t hate the pick.

          • theycallmerob

            I know it’s early, but I just don’t see either one of those positions having a value pick at that spot. The only 1st rd graded ILB is Mosley, Skov looks like a 2nd-3rd. Then there’s he Baylor G….I just don’t think Howie has the cajones for that.

            edit: sorry, read your post wrong! I agree, those are not 1st rd likely positions :) <<—smiley for you aub

          • eagle fan dwn south

            Beasley is staying at school

          • cliff henny

            speculation or fact? live in SC, am not huge on beasley. seen enough 52-45 games to not want many guys from that defense. even offense, as great as it is, seems clemson just out athletes everyone. sweeney is a recruiting machine, dont think outsiders realize the types of athletes, 3 deep, that clemson has

          • theycallmerob

            I think it was Clemson that put the statement out saying so

          • eagle fan dwn south

            Its a fact I live in SC as well it was reported on the CH 19 news this am but he’s not that bad but all pass rushers look good for a explosive offensive team because team always playing catch up

          • cliff henny

            thanks. he needs another year to put on weight, it’s a good move. he was top10 now sliding to 20′s, and that’s before the movers jump up. plus, as clemson fan, defense needs all the help it can get/keep.

          • eagle fan dwn south

            Only problem with him staying even though he need it because this draft have to stud OLB in it Clemson players that stay when they stock reach it limit hurt themselves the following year

        • NickS1

          You’re a salesman aren’t you?

          • cliff henny

            yup. i always give options…you have 3, 1, that’s good, 1 that’s great and 1 that i want you to take, and you’ll never know which is which

          • NickS1

            Weird, because the sales pitch I’ve been reading has read something like” “Lamarcus Joyner anyone? Plenty of Joyner over here! Getcha Lamarcus Joyner! And if you don’t want some of Joyner, well then I have some Lamarcus Joyner over here I’d love to show yas, too! You’re gonna love the Lamarcus Joyners I got!”

            EDIT: Should have said “Joynah” to make it sound more like the guys selling “Millah Lites” at a baseball game.

          • cliff henny

            haha, well, the kid can play. issue is, eagles need a safety, we all know that and the hardest positon to tell if guy is any good is safety. joyner is always around the ball and LOS, looks great and stands out in live action, but really i have no clue if he fits eagles or not. certainly looks like a player. also, his name is tossed around just a ton. who wants to chat about hakeem smith?

          • NickS1

            I know he’s a helluva player, just bustin’ stones. Is Smith the dude from Louisville that Charlie Strong always drooled over?

          • cliff henny

            yup, running mate with prior.

          • NickS1

            For a late round safety, I’m all for it. There’s a bunch of safeties in this draft that I probably wouldn’t get mad about picking so long as the round was right. Like what I’ve read about Dion Bailey though. Wasn’t he all conference at two different positions in consecutive years? That’s impressive.

          • cliff henny

            first domino to fall is Byrd or plan B free agent. if eagles pass on byrd, ward, clemmon etc, maybe go BPA in 1st, but by 2nd, am freaking for Bailey type, 70 snap safety. sign Byrd, joyner would be a luxury player-but who knows if eagles think his playmaking ability translates. wolff looked decent next to chung and allen, sure he’d look just that much better next to a high quality safety.

      • theycallmerob

        say they sign Michael Johnson from CIN; would that make it ok to take a later rd guy? Or, by draft, Cole and Graham both still on roster?

    • G_WallyHunter

      Joyner at 5 foot 8… I haven’t watched him that much so I ask you, what does he do so well to make up for the height, is his vertical like Boykins or something? Crazy ball hawk? Instincts? Tackle skills?

      • cliff henny

        he plays alot bigger than size. he meets RB in the holes and stones them and next play 25 yds downfield breaking up pass. see him take on OL-men but also makes crazy amount of play. pull up you-tube, watch him for a minute, he’s honeybadger without headache, and better in coverage. if he was 5-10 200, be in Eric Berry land. and always, always around the ball. guy seemed to recover every gd fumble

        • southy

          sounds like the kind of guy to fall to late 3rd-5th because of his height

          • cliff henny

            generally you are right. that’s why Honeybadger dropped, or one of the reasons. his size probably prevents him from being a 65 plays starter. d’anthony thomas, too. if he’s 5-10 190, 1st rdr. he’s somewhere in 5th-6th. guys are too small, and generally you want to draft starters in rounds 1,2,3. why nickle cbs and slot recrs drop. but, that’s how above average his playmaking ability is, it’s pushes him, as a 40 play player into dicussions with guys who are starters.

          • southy

            Problem is in drafting him high you are asking guys to take a punt on whether his athleticism is enough to make up for lack of size at a level where you’ve got the likes of Jimmy Graham and Megatron coming over the middle, or you’re trying to stuff Marshawn Lynch in the hole. Look at how Boykin, as a slot corner, needs every drop of his athleticism to stay on the field. It’s harder to ask a guy to do that at the S position.

            Hard to ask a GM to put his job on the line for moves like that. Unless you’re Jerrah.

          • cliff henny

            i dont see him as starter. he’d be 3rd safety in nickel and dime. also, he is alot more physical than Boykin. cant argue with any of your points. but what makes him jump from 4th to 2nd, and he’s a legit 2nd, is the kid makes plays all over the place. bring Byrd in, boykin and Joyner, better not throw a wobbler, eagles will have 3 guess fighting over it. no doubt he would be a luxury in 2nd. dream case is beast wr 1, and pass rush lb in 2nd (or vice versa), then if joyner is there in 3rd, i’m all-in. if this kid grew 2 inches and 15-20 lbs that’d come along with that, be top10

    • anon

      5’8″ wont happen during the CK era.

      • cliff henny

        maybe. i never heard of Wolff till eagles drafted him, and watched plenty of ncstate games. if they find a versatile guy like joyner with little more size, that’s great. i’m not a draft guru, joyner just is most prominent name for type of playmaker eagles need.

    • NickS1

      Needless to say I got rather giddy when I read that Kiper mocked Benjamin to us. If only it happened.

    • Stuart Philp

      Tre Mason is an NFL caliber back and he put up 195 yards against FSU and Joyner.

      I haven’t watched Joyners tape, but from the few games I’ve seen of his, I’m not convinced.

      • cliff henny

        then you need to watch more tapes. the only credible argument is size. the kid can flat out play, if nfl size doesnt overwhelm him. cant hold running stats against a safety. that’s front 7, and auburn abused everyone.

      • theycallmerob

        that’s like saying because of the year Shady had (and our OL and run game in general), none of the safeties played us well against the run.
        Auburn did that all year. Joyner was outstanding all year
        http://draftbreakdown.com/players/lamarcus-joyner/

    • theycallmerob

      gotta mention Joyner at least once a day. he’s my multivitamin

      • cliff henny

        not like i brought him up out of blue, right in article, kiper talked about him in 2nd

        • theycallmerob

          Howie’s not the only one I’ve been sending those cut-out letters to. Running low on magazines

  • evanphilly

    As a Nebraska fan, I strongly support having Scott Frost coming here to Philly. Would like the Benjamin pick if the draft fell that way.

    • cliff henny

      best part of being Nebraska fan under Polini is you know you record before season even starts, 9/10-4.

      • evanphilly

        Haha, truth! The win in the bowl game saved his job, imo. Still like him better than Callahan.

  • Stuart Philp

    The more I think about it I think we should take OL in the 2nd round if there is someone decent left. Mathis Peters and Herremans are all getting up there and it would suck to have to replace 2 of those guys in one season.

    • anon

      gaurds are easy to come by, bad sign if we blow a second given other more glaring needs.

      • NickS1

        Wouldn’t be as bad if it was the OG from Baylor.

        • Richard Colton

          can he fight fires too?

          • Chris

            I heard he once saved a man who was choking on Taco Tuesday

          • NickS1

            Isn’t that a prerequisite of becoming a G at Baylor?

          • Rambler

            Only if you’re Canadian.

      • Stuart Philp

        Safety is our only real need IMO, and there are some talented guards coming in likely the 2nd and 3rd. WR, OLB, CB depends whose available, but I think OL should be included.

      • Richard Colton

        maybe. Its dangerous predicting 2 years of health for anyone in the league. Doubly so for players over 30.

    • aub32

      I have to disagree. Mathis has very little mileage. Peters should last for at least another 2 years. In that time LJ will be able to transition to LT. Dennis Kelly could be our RT at that point or we could develop some late round picks over the next 2 years.

    • Andy124

      I see where you’re coming from, but upgrading starting positions is more important that upgrading depth. That being said, it’s all moot – BPA

    • Uncle Wonder

      I’m not as worried about OL from an age perspective…OL seem to have the most longevity of any position this side of QB…the good ones can play into their late 30s, but I’m not opposed to upgrading Herremans…he was a weak link at several points, imo

      • aub32

        Would you want to put a rookie next to a second year player though?

        • Uncle Wonder

          Who said anything about a rookie? there is also FA…the draft doesnt assure you of anything but another body. A FA at least has experience that can give you an idea of their production.

          • aub32

            Did you read the original comment? SP suggested going for OL in the 2nd. That means he’s specifically looking for someone in the draft. I’m all for bringing in FA competition for Herremans and even Kelce.

    • cliff henny

      2nd is addressing issue in draft. i’d put o-line in ‘keep an eye on it’ catagory. can never ignore a position, sh!t changes quickly in nfl. fact is, we have little idea what eagles have in barbre, kelly bamiro and tobin bacause line was so healthy.. i’d never agrue against 4th-5th OT, but draft asset early, probably not with you there.

    • Andy

      You can find and develop offensive lineman in the later rounds. Kelce was a 6th round pick and Jason Peters went undrafted. For a team with the luxury of an excellent line today that’s the best way to go because we can spend a couple of years developing and sorting through lower picks to hopefully get 1-2 that can be contributors in a couple of years and use those higher picks on more immediate holes.

      • Richard Colton

        Here’s where I disagree – based on what I saw from this offense in year one, an excellent line isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessity. We were very fortunate that every starter played every game. Our depth wasn’t tested. It’s still an unknown. I wouldn’t go hunting for OL in round 1/2/3 – but if there was talent there in any of those rounds, I wouldn’t hate the pick.

        • theycallmerob

          you already know.

          al michaels next year:
          straight from bethlehem, in the holy land, here to part defensive lines for Shady for years to come…..

          • Richard Colton

            Ive never called a radio show – but I’m going to ask Howie about “dancing bear” Moses just for you.

          • theycallmerob

            it’s preordained his role in life is to take our franchise to the holy glory land

    • ftotheyu

      This is probably the most wide open Eagles draft in recent memory. Howie and Lurie have said that they’re going to take t he best available talent, be it QB, WR, defense… the only position we probably won’t target in the early rounds is RB. In addition, we no longer have Andy Reid in charge, so that perennial1st round certainty of drafting some “undersized, high-motor” guy is out the window. So who knows what can happen. I think I’d be happy with a talented person in any of the below positions: WR, OL, NT, OLB, ILB, S, CB.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    I just love the Riley Cooper trashing by Kiper. Cooper does not possess ELITE speed, granted, but the dude has run a 4.48 40 and ran a 4.53 at the combine. Plenty fast enough to blow by DBs if they’re playing bump and run (as we saw at least a dozen times last season).

    Kelvin Benjamin has never run faster than 4.52, and we’ll see what he runs at the combine but online services are saying high 4.5′s (combine times often slower).
    As for size:
    Cooper – 6’4, 225.
    Benjamin – 6’5, 230

    This isn’t a “Riley Cooper is better then Benjamin” post, because who knows how good Benjamin will be in the pro’ and he is still raw, but it is certainly a “Riley Cooper has essentially the same measurables as Benjamin, so it is silly to say Cooper doesn’t create separation with his speed, but Benjamin will – since they are, after all, essentially the same speed.” I do think Cooper has better ball skills on deep balls, but that Benjamin could become a stronger red zone target.

    I know everyone wants to find the next Megatron, but I promise this Benjamin guys is not him.

    .

    • aub32

      How is Benjamin after the catch? Cooper actually did a pretty good job making moves after the catch and fight through a few tackles. I don’t want a bigger Avant.

      • NickS1

        There was a chart posted yesterday breaking down the top 4 receivers in the class. KB averaged close to 5 I think. However, he avg’d almost 14 per catch before YAC.

    • NickS1

      6’3″ 215, but who’s really counting?

      http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopRi00.htm

      I get your point, don’t necessarily disagree. Basically same speed, but we don’t know how much quicker KB is or isn’t, how much better he may or may not be at getting off jams, and how much better at jump balls. The quickness and the ability to get off of jams have as much to do with getting separation as speed does. He def has the size to be an upgrade in the jump ball department, but we won’t know anything until the pads are on and some development has happened on KB’s part. Cooper’s had 4 years, and it took until year 4 to show anything. Only time will really tell.

      • theycallmerob

        this. separation ability =/= top end speed.
        also about playing big (which Cooper did a better job of this year), and creating space in red zone where windows are smaller (real test of separation ability; again, Cooper did well this year, basically ran endless crosses and slants). From what I saw, Benjamin had a good RZ year as well.

        • NickS1

          Cooper definitely played better all around this year. However, what took so long? I know Vick didn’t throw his way too much, but, something doesn’t make sense as to why it all of a sudden clicked… Thing I love about Benjamin is the RZ ability. All he does is make big time RZ catches. Some have said “that’s nice but what about between the 20s?” Well, there’s a slew of other options aside from Benjamin between the 20s, but let’s not act like he can’t thrive there either, in time. A year with a Avant’s school of hands will do wonders for this guy. Put him on seam routes with Ertzy, which one do you guard? Let Foles pump fake the sh!t out of DBs and have them guessing, then let either have the opportunity to go up and get it!

          • theycallmerob

            Go with the 4 receiver stagger splits (2 on each side, one behind the other; we saw this packaged play a lot this year)
            Benjamin and Djax on one side, WR X (coop? mac?) and Ertz on the other. 5 OL + Foles + Shady makes the 11. Technically a 13 formation, or replace that WR X with Celek for 12.
            Tell me how in the world a safety knows their coverage responsibilities in that formation.

          • NickS1

            Wouldn’t the first be a 12 Formation? 1RB 2TE…. Either way, this is pretty much the dream scenario and what I want to see happen. Confuse the safety, plenty of size and speed on the field. DCs worst nightmare.

          • theycallmerob

            my first is 3 wrs (DJax, Benjamin, WRx)…the second situation is 12 (DJax, Benjamin, Celek/Casey, Ertz)

          • NickS1

            Yeah, Benjamin is just such a monster I counted him as TE. Dumb mistake. So the first would have been 11? Which is what I originally typed, but for some reason associated 6’5″ 230 with TE.

          • theycallmerob

            thank you

        • Token

          One of Coopers TDs….. Hes running down the sideline and kind of slows up as the ball is in the air to sheild the defender, then at the last second he speeds up creating the space needed to catch the ball in the endzone. I like seeing that kind of stuff.

      • Eagles4Life

        Cooper improved, but I’d still take Benjamin if we’re sitting at 22 with him still available.

  • Eagles4Life

    As an FSU fan, I’d LOVE to have Benjamin. This kid can be special. I do think he’s going to take a bit of time to adjust, but I think he can be better than Plaxico when it’s all said and done.

    With Joyner, you’d get a baller. The guy is like Mathieu without the off the field issues. Only thing is his size, but he plays bigger than what he is. I don’t know if Chip would take him though.

    • usmcnole

      He was pretty awesome for the noles and seems to have a bright future. He also never really showed any signs of being a basket case. Seems like a quiet kid

      • Eagles4Life

        Yeah, he seems to go about his business. I think he had been in trouble back in middle school or something and grew from the situation. Jameis liked him a lot. I really think he’s going to be great for whoever gets him.

  • usmcnole

    Benjamin is an absolute beast. Watched every game. Hes gonna be a star. Hes a blend of randy moss and megatron. Still pretty raw tho. He will be a steal at 22

  • daggolden

    Theres only one player on the Eagles defense that would see the field in SF and Seattle and that Boykins, that’s how far this defense is to being elite. Benjamin better be head and shoulders better than any defensive player on the board at 22. This team needs nothing but defense.

    • daggolden

      Resign Cooper to 3-4 year deal, draft a big receiver in mid rounds and use 1st 4 picks on best defensive players available. This team has plenty of offense already. They cant get off the field on 3rd down.