Crystal Ball: Riley Cooper

NFL: NFC Wildcard Playoff-New Orleans Saints at Philadelphia Eagles

The Eagles have eight players that are set to become unrestricted free agents: Jeremy MaclinRiley CooperMichael VickNate AllenDonnie JonesKurt ColemanColt Anderson and Clifton Geathers.

Tim and Sheil will look at one free agent per day and give their take on what should and what will happen with these players. Maclin was up first. Now onto Cooper.


WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN

McManus: Both parties should recognize that there is a fit here and come to terms on a reasonable deal.

In his first three seasons combined, Cooper posted 46 catches for 679 yards and five touchdowns.  This year under Chip Kelly he had 47 catches for 835 yards and eight TDs. Cooper believes that the sharp increase in production is largely about opportunity: He got his shot at a main role when Maclin went down and made the most of it. While there might be a little truth there, there’s no question that Kelly’s system played a part in Cooper’s breakout campaign.  And his stock really shot up when Nick Foles took over. When Michael Vick started this season, the 26-year-old averaged under two catches per game for 21 yards. With Foles, those numbers ballooned to 3.7 catches and 73 yards per game. There is a comfort level between quarterback and receiver, and that’s worth something.

Kelly values big receivers that can block. Cooper fits the mold. Cooper’s style of play matches what Kelly is looking for, and Kelly’s offense accentuates Cooper’s strengths. The 6-3, 220-pound Florida product should stay put.

Kapadia: At the risk of sounding like a cold-blooded business tycoon, my take is the Eagles should only consider bringing Cooper back at a relatively inexpensive price tag.

The organization has leverage here because of what happened last summer at the Kenny Chesney concert. Does Cooper really want to go into a new locker room with 52 strangers and have to answer questions about that ugly incident once again?

Cooper may try to sell the "I finally got an opportunity" argument, but that's not really the case. Let's not forget that in 2012, he played over 70 percent of the snaps in the final seven games because of DeSean Jackson's injury. The results: 19 catches for 206 yards. That's an average of 2.7 receptions and 29.4 yards per games.

Granted, Cooper played well in 2013. His two greatest assets are his ball skills and his blocking. He was a fit in Kelly's system. But if I'm the Eagles, I'm not matching offers on the open market for Cooper. If he wants to come back on a cheap deal, great. If not, move on.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN

McManus: Cooper has expressed his desire to stay with the Eagles, and there is reason to think his words are sincere.

If he is to sign elsewhere, he will be faced with two big questions:

1) Will he find the same kind of success under a different coach? Kelly proved in his first year that his offense can be very kind to skill position players (Cooper was one of several Eagles to post career numbers in 2013). Perhaps he believes he can be this productive in any system, but runs the risk of being dead wrong.

2) How will he be received? The Eagles were able to move past the offseason incident in part because Cooper had established relationships inside that locker room and was largely given the benefit of the doubt. There’s no guarantee that he will be welcomed by strangers.

Such factors should keep Cooper’s price tag relatively low, which will help the Eagles secure a team-friendly multi-year deal.

Kapadia: I'm pretty torn on this one. On one hand, I think Cooper will want to come back. The Chesney incident doesn't get brought up around here much anymore, and my guess is he's fully aware that he won't be as productive in a different role and scheme.

I don't see a huge market for Cooper, but as we're reminded every March, all it takes is one team falling in love and pulling the trigger.

Remember, Cooper was a fifth-round pick who made $630,000 in base salary last year. He's 26-years-old and will never have a better opportunity to cash in. As I mentioned yesterday, guaranteed money is tough to turn down, regardless of circumstance.

This is a coin flip to me, but in the end, I'll predict that another team values Cooper's size, ball skills and 2013 production and offers him a nice deal. The Eagles decide he's replaceable and let him walk.

  • theycallmerob

    Tim/Sheil: could you compound yesterday’s and today’s post (Maclin and Cooper) into 1 bonus question?
    Do you think if 1 guy is signed, that hampers the ability to bring back the other? As you stated, Cooper did have the benefit of playing more snaps due to Maclin’s injury. If they’re both healthy, along with DJax and some TEs, would they view one’s signing as a detriment to the other’s ability to produce? (i.e.- Coop signs a 4 year deal, Maclin is then offered a 1 year “prove it”. will he be worried that it’d be hard to “prove it” and get great stats for a big contract if he’s seeing limited stats?)
    And, as a follow-up: if both are re-signed, does that reduce the likelihood of a rookie being picked in the early rounds, where the expectation is greater for immediate production?

    • sdk152

      Sure, Rob. We are, after all, a blog for the people! We’ll cycle through the free agents individually this week, but in the coming weeks, we’ll tackle those questions and the wide receiver situation as a whole. Thanks for the suggestion. -SK

    • cliff henny

      also, on Maclin’s ‘prove it’ deal. i get reasons why Howie-sal cap and Mac-parlay into ’15 offseason, but i wonder if kelly has interest. A, they arent paying jax, coop and then re-signing Mac,in ’15, would kelly want 1 yr rental when he talks about team building and B, cant see how kelly isnt wanting a top 5-7 wr in this draft, just too many perfect weapons, and having 3 wrs infront of picked wr and then ertz, while being one of heavier run teams, not enough balls to go around…i just dont see both coming back.

      • theycallmerob

        I think he does want one of these kids. That’s why, IMO, only 1 of Mac/Coop come back. I know draft is crapshoot, but it just looks too damn good.

        • cliff henny

          think he wants 2! get Huff in 6th, guy is about 10 times better than maehl, kelly knows that first hand.
          .
          trying to see things thru kelly’s eyes, my guess is he sees Mac and Jax as pretty much same guy. neither is getting physical or running thru blockers, blocking at point of attack for RBs or making contested catches in middle-a little, but not bouldin type catched. at end, everything mac does, jax is just better at it. cooper can be possession recr with crazy repour with qb and get physical beast with great RAC and can abused exposed middle that single safety m2m exposes.

          • theycallmerob

            I agree with every word you said, aside from your poor attempt to spell rapport :)

          • cliff henny

            yeah, not going to lie, scrapped by with c’s in english, out of kindness from teachers-mostly i hope to just be understood without use of spell checking

          • GEAGLE

            One problem…we don’t have a 6th round pick :)

          • cliff henny

            same solution we use everytime need another pick, graham for 6th. just use 2nd 5th

        • aub32

          Do you not think Chip might have learned something from last year? He lost his 3rd most talented weapon for the season in TC. Then he lost his experiment (Benn). Why would he not push to keep Mac and still get a rookie WR?

          • theycallmerob

            Only because I think it’s out of our hands. Just my opinion, but I think another team (KC!!!) offers Mac a contract that he doesn’t turn down/we don’t match

      • Kev_H

        I agree. I don’t see the Eagles doing a 1 year deal with Maclin. If they want him, they will do a contract that gives them the option to keep him long term. If they think there is someone better, they’ll let him go.

    • pjcostello

      Great questions, it would be a good follow-up post.
      I am no Tim or Sheil, but I have a keyboard and a free minute, so I’ll take stab at it!
      Looking into my crystal ball, I see… the Eagles bring back both Maclin and Cooper, and select a rookie WR by round 4 in the draft. They let go of Damaris Johnson and Jerff Maehl, to make room and to keep Jason Avant. You can never have enough depth! Or enough WRs who can block in Chip Kelly’s run-heavy system. :-)

      • theycallmerob

        I think that’s a good play. I’m assuming that you’d have them draft defense those 3 rounds before.
        And again, it’s not whether or not we can sign Coop and Mac, but rather their individual desire to sign if the other does first. Curious if they feel their ability to produce and earn more $ down the line is hampered by the other, particularly if neither one gets a real long-term deal.

        • pjcostello

          Well, in my crystal ball they MIGHT pick a WR earlier than round 4, but with four starters in that spot already, they can address other needs first. I would like a rush LB and a safety (and wouldn’t we all?? LOL), but I also want an offensive lineman. We don’t have enough depth there, and we have some veterans at important positions.

          • theycallmerob

            yes, yes, and yes.

            I said this a few weeks back, but WR is the most curious position to me. Does Chip think his scheme can allow less talented guys to thrive? and if so, are they less willing to invest in that position (like Reid with linebackers)? Or will he keep drafting hybrid TE/WRs and count on WRs doing the little things (like blocking) at the expense of big numbers?

            man, I can’t WAIT for FA.

          • pjcostello

            Me neither!!! We still don’t know exactly what Kelly values, or how that will manifest itself on the roster. That paper he wrote spoke to his desire for guys who could block downfield, and when you combine that with the ‘big guys beat up little guys’ theme, you can see how Cooper would appeal to him. I think he’s still figuring it out, too. College rosters are so much larger than NFL ones, that you have more room for error in college (and a far wider pool of talent whom you can entice to your school/program).

          • Tom w

            Why wouldn’t he invest in wr? We were set to take justin hunter last yr in rd 2 if we didn’t take ertz?

            I look at wr this year like te last year … We brought in Casey, kept celek, and still drafted ertz. W wrs there are more in the field most times … A lot of 3 wrs looks this year and in playoff game … Keep djax, coop gets deal, maclin a 1 yr deal to improve upon avant at the least , and stud rookie like ertz to teach and give snaps to slowly. Rookie doesn’t need to start from day 1 nor do I want them too … Just get playing time and learn the system and grow…. 2015 maclin leaves and the rookie is ready for more pt like ertz next yr … Coop has his playing time and djax is djax.

          • theycallmerob

            where’d you hear the Hunter thing from?
            And I only say that because I think he values the mismatch that TEs bring to the table.
            Meant this as a reply to Cliff below, but I’ll put it here- I think, like the term DB rather than CB/S (think Joyner and honey badger), Chip sees WRs as WR- not slot or outside. They must know all positions. Some of those attributes that are “classic” slot (which we ragged on DJax last week for not having) don’t really apply here.
            Think of lining up 3 WR-wide, but their in bunch formation (or Chip’s infamous 2 and 2 stagger). Those guys are essentially running traditional routes. If a hybrid TE can do that AND block, leaving teams scared of a screen, play-action, or go route, it offers more options. Most WRs aren’t traditional blockers, and many have the diva personality of caring about targets and catches. I’m just making a suggestion that maybe Chip doesn’t value that highly enough to bring in a big name, high-priced guy if he doesn’t do much other than catch. Or, investing a lot of money into 3 or 4 “vets” if their numbers are bound to dip.

          • Tom W

            I thought that too before the season when we signed casey and brought in ertz and saw 3 tes use in preseason…was pretty disappointed when he didnt use 3 tes at all this year and preferred 3 wide over 2 tes sets …

            I think he was pleasantly suprised w Cooper and Avant’s blocking and decided that grouping w djax was capable to run out of …

            Good be a reason he looks at a guy like monster from Texas Am who presumably can really use his size advantage to block and create mismatches — basically your te.

            Not sure what we are going to do … think Chip wants more weapons and more guys that fit what he wants to do. I agree Maclin may not fit that and that is why we won’t sign him long term unless he proves us all wrong and starts blocking like avant and making plays.

          • anon

            Agree. Think you let Maclin walk or sit until after the draft. I think Cooper took his job.

          • theycallmerob

            Look at the snap counts again; the 3WR sets dipped in the 2nd half of the season, as Ertz saw way more looks in 2TE sets. He acknowledged it himself (can’t remember who wrote about it…McLane? it was just the other day)….his drops in camp and inability to practice during OTA’s hampered his development and likely the coach’s trust in him early in the year.

          • GEAGLE

            I heard Chip really liked Cordarell, not hunter

        • Tom w

          Maybe maclin gets affected by a coop deal but I don’t see how coop cares if maclin comes back first if he is getting a long term deal from then birds. I think odd man out is avant who played about. 90 percent of the snaps in most games… Djax coop maclin and sprinkle the rookie wr in like ertz was … Don’t think we need to throw the rookie into the fire or assume its a failure if he plays say 20 snaps a game at all three wr positions.

          • theycallmerob

            Maybe maclin gets affected by a coop deal but I don’t see how coop cares if maclin comes back first if he is getting a long term deal from then birds.

            this.

          • Tom W

            This what? Why would coop care or better yet decide not to come back and sign a long term deal w the eagles if Maclin signs a one year deal with the birds?

          • theycallmerob

            I didn’t say he would care; I’m agreeing with you that Coop probably wouldn’t, but that Maclin may be affected by a Coop deal

        • Tom w

          Think coop’s deal will be a long team deal representative of what he is worth. Dunno bout “real” but he will get 3-5 yrs based on his worth. Why would he rather go to a bad team w no chip and risk putting up shitty numbers?

      • Justin

        I’d rather we got rid of Avant before we got rid of Maehl.

        • anon

          Why is that?

        • theycallmerob

          wow, really? what the hell did you see from Maehl this year?

          • cliff henny

            cap space would be only reason. personally, think both, unless avant takes serious paycut to be 5th or 6th WR.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t see why Avant would not, personally. Can you think of another team out there that would offer him more money or snaps? NE is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. He’s on an up-and-coming team, seems to embrace the mentor role, and knows he has maybe 1 or 2 years left at most. I think he’s the kind of guy that values being a career Eagle

          • cliff henny

            have you ever been asked to take a paycut? i can tell you, no matter how much you like and are loyal, the first two words that come to mind rhyme with ‘duck’ and ‘chew’. so, yeah, can see Eagles instead of offering paycut, releasing him, and asking him to come back and allow them to match offers.

          • theycallmerob

            good point. but I also haven’t been a NFL WR for the last 8 years, knowing the end is coming, and with a 10+mil nest egg.
            again, I just don’t see some other team paying him more than, say, 2mil. If we offer him 1 or 1.5, would he care that much about 500K? Can’t speak for him, just wondering aloud

          • cliff henny

            it’s not something the Eagles often do. they may rework contracts like d-jax to get more in-line,but cant recall too many guys getting pay cut in half to thirds.
            .
            easy to say, but i’d care a whole lot about 500k if i knew it was probably my last big check.

          • GEAGLE

            Cliff, Today the sixers have a 15% chance at the top pic of the draft! and The pelicans are taking a Nose dive that gives us a chance at landing the 6th pick…could you Imagine?
            ..
            We would be getting Embiid..and whoever of the 3 fall to 6: Smart,Dante Exum or Julius Randle..FINGERS CROSSED!!! Can’t stop dreaming of the most athletic twin Towers lineup the NBA has ever seen! Embiid(baby Olajuwon) and Nerlens Noel..it would be the greatest block party! Lob City the league has seen..and because both players have the cat like quickness to get out on the perimeter and defend stretch 4′s and both have the agility pt guard the pick n roll as well as any big man in the league, they would actually be able to play together…Could you imagine the defensive rotations we would have with MCW,Nerlens and Embiid?
            ..,.
            We need that late round extra 1st to get Sam Dekker, because MCW needs a sniper to kick it out to when he doesn’t feel like two hand monster dunking all over defenses…by the end of this years draft night! I want MCW to have a CRAZY STAble of BIGS to grow with:
            Embiid
            Noel
            Sam Dekker
            Moultrie
            Thad young

            if the pelicans rebound and their pick is in the 11-14 range, I want Syracuse jerami Grant who’s potential is a blend between IGGY and Luol Deng…another long athletic! explosive athletic defender, to hold down the SF spot and pair with a young defensive core of Nerlens Embiid and MCW

          • cliff henny

            i still want wiggins. great fundamentals, and then his explosion no effort jump…and 2nd jump, it’s basketball porn. Young might have played his way into teens pick, amd hawes will get late 1st rounder. he cant play defense, but 18 – 20 fts by bigmen are valuable.

          • GEAGLE

            I would still love to end up with Wiggins, because him and MCW have potential to form a premier backcourt, both are Long, willing defenders, and can develop into quality offensive players…but if we were to get the top pick, my guess is Hinkie would go with the super rare talent Embiid…dude has the best footwork of any guy his size to come out of college in over a decade……we can disagree on who would be the top pick, but both agree that if we miss out on the top pick, we are ending up with a heckuva consolation prize…
            ..
            Let’s just hope we get a top 2 pick and this turns out to be a Jordan/Olajuwon impact draft

          • cliff henny

            i’m greedy, get both, and seldon, and dekker. watch him other night, what’s he 6-10 w/ easy 3 range.

          • GEAGLE

            YUP!!! And way more athletic then people think!! Dude can be a more athletic Ryan Anderson to where Doug McDermott is more of a stiff Steve Novak type of sniper…really would LOVE Dekker coming off the bench as a stretch 4, runs the floor well too

          • cliff henny

            mcdermott doesnt do much for me. nice college player not athletic enough for the big boys. that 4 game win streak had me a little unnerved, but some good losses lately. fun team to watch, outside turner, who i have no time for, except he helps the tank. i’d just unload him for throw in 2nd and start wroten after young and hawes are traded for 1sts. no sense in keeping him around. what a dissappointment. him and his t-rex arms.

          • Maggie

            Wiggins is just one example of why universities and the NBA look outside the US borders for talent.

          • cliff henny

            Pelicans are screwed. Jrue wont be right for months. their schedule get brutal here. it wont be 6h, cause east sux donkey wangs, but it’ll be 8-10.

          • GEAGLE

            Taking a pay cut to remain here would only be an issue if we are offering you less money then other teams…Unless Andy Reid wants him! I don’t see a team paying Jason Avant any type of real money…

            How many years does he realistically have left in the NFL? 3 at the most? If Jason Avant becomes that rare modern day athlete that retires with the team that drafted him, he will have a bright post football future in this city, choosing between becoming: Assistant WR coach, Philly sports radio, TV gig on comcast sports net. ..I’m not sure I would risk all the equity I built up being a beloved fan favorite in this city, to make a few extra dollars…how much more money can someone else realistically pay Avant more then what we offer him? Then again, guy like Westbrook left, and then came back to Philly and had Comcast gigs waiting for him, Ike Reese left and had a sports radio gig waiting for him, so maybe he could leave,,

            But if you had to put a gun to my head and ask me where Avant will play next year, My guess would be Philly or KC
            .,,
            is anyone really going to pay Avant to be one of their top 3 WRs?

          • cliff henny

            it’s more of a natural reaction. i’m in sales, you get new commission structures every year, it’s always a b!tch feast. it’s a tough conversation, now that i’m on other end-raising the bar. avant will feel team owes him for time served, team will feel like they are paying for future. both are right in avants case.
            .
            i dont think anyone would hold it against JA if he went somewhere else and came back. trotter has made it work.

          • theycallmerob

            I’m not disagreeing with your view. Just feel the market isn’t there for him. Personally hope he’s back, even if he sees more snaps with the JUG machine than on the field

          • Maggie

            Yes I have, but I was only making $10 an hour anyway. Taking a pay cut of a few thousand a year may not be as significant to a millionaire. And with the way contracts are structured, many players actually get paid for years through escrow, guaranteed investments, etc. Mind you, his accountants or money managers might get their noses out of joint.

          • Justin

            A younger, cheaper, faster guy.

          • theycallmerob

            He is the very definition of JAG. If you’re trying to replace Avant, fine, but there are plenty of better options than Maehl. Guys walking on the street outside my window right now are young, cheap, and fast (except that one fattie….)

          • Justin

            Hey, if you wanna get rid of Avant and Maehl, go for it. But if we had to keep one or the other, I’d rather keep Maehl.

          • theycallmerob

            to each their own.
            at least you’re not on here calling people “idiot” for disagreeing :)

          • Justin

            To be fair, I also wouldn’t mind if we let Maclin walk. I’m not as sold that we need him as other people are.

          • theycallmerob

            I’m also on board with that. I’d take Coop. Cliff summed it up best below/above/somewhere on here, about DJax and Mac having too similar skillsets but DJax being better.

            And I also think he’s the 1 of the 2 that gets paid by another team, regardless of our opinion of him/his opinion of us.

          • Justin

            I agree on that Maclin/Jackson comparison. Maclin is really just a slightly taller and slower Jackson. Like Maehl/Avant, if we had to keep either Cooper or Maclin, keep Cooper.

  • Will

    Riley Cooper is no doubt a favorite target of Foles. Riley Cooper is durable. Riley Cooper is an excellent blocker for Chip’s system. Riley Cooper knows Chip’s system. Riley Cooper is another gym rat. Riley Cooper is a ST guy. Foles and Cooper have chemistry from playing together. Outside of the rock concert mistake no negatives, people are human and make mistakes. Riley Cooper owned up to it. Not all NFL teams regard high character like the Eagles Organization. I think it would be a mistake to let him walk for a lot of reasons or to think you get him at rock bottom prices for that matter. A full season with Foles and Riley gets 1100-1200 yards easy instead of 8 TD’s maybe 12-16 TD’s….since 2009 Maclin has yet to get a 1000 yd season…

    • Andy124

      Riley Cooper is no doubt a favorite target of Foles.
      I think people forget the chemistry Foles had with Maclin in 2012. Project the numbers Jeremy put up with Foles over a full season and he’d have blown away his career highs.

      Will that matter at the negotiating table? I don’t know. I don’t think so. If I had to pick one of the two, I’d go with Cooper because of his size and lack of injury history.

      I think a lot of who ends up on the Eagles next year (agree with rob that it won’t be both) will depend on what other teams offer them. I guess that’s a bit of a ‘duh’ statement. But still, we don’t know how much Maclin’s injury and soft reputation will affect his offers. We don’t know how much Coopers concert and lack of production before this year will affect his offers.

      Wait and see and hope we keep at least one of them.

      • Will

        Very well put and thought out…Nice…Cooper I think is in a stronger situation as far as leverage over Mac…

      • GEAGLE

        Kind of disagree, because they are two very different situations. If you sign Maclin, it’s a 1 year Flier,,hoping you get luck and he produces and you will still be able to control him with the franchise Tag next year if he comes back from injury looking like AP by some miracle…

        if you sign coop, it will require a commitment, and you will be counting on Coop in 2014
        ….
        So I don’t think signing one will have any impact on the he other.

        Signing Maclin would more likely mean that we don’t take a flier on someone like Danario Alexander…you can’t be paying multiple guys that you can’t count on next year…..
        ..
        Coop is all about what we thought of him this year. Do we think it was a one year Fluke? Or do we think he will continue to block DBs into the stands, out jump DBs, and get physical with the run after catch yards..I see no reason why a 26year old, who will be getting continuity in a brand new offense and will be playing with a young QB who should be a better QB next year won’t continue to do the things he did this year that got him to this point. Since I heard our WR coach absolutely LOVES Riley Cooper, I think it’s safe to assume we don’t view him as having some fluke of a season..I assume they view him as a young, sturdy, physical, team player who built great chemistry with the young QB a and came into his own in an offense that suits his game really well, and if that’s True, then I expect him back next year….I want MULTIPLE BIG BODY Pass catchers, with Desean and another small burner like Brandin Cook moving around the formation commanding attentions twenties and stretching the field vertically

        Keeping Coop means we have two big body weapons in place with Ertz..add a bigger Brandon Coleman,Moncreif, Kelvin Benjamin in the draft and we will start to have a nice stable of big body pass catchers who beat down and Bully DBs…I want 4 BIG pass catchers, keeping Coop means we will be half way there

        • Andy124

          Really the only point of contention is weather signing of one impacts the other. I agree with everything else you wrote, including the preference for Riley.

          And while you’re right that the two situations are different, at it’s simplest, and I don’t think this is really debatable that fact that resigning neither puts in a bad position, but resigning 1 puts is in an ok posiiton, means that once one is signed, there is significantly less need to sign the other, and thus the odds of that second signing go down considerably.

          Also, just as far as cap management, I don’t think it’s common or especially prudent to tie up as much cap in those positions as it would require to keep them both. That part is of course, highly debatable.

          • GEAGLE

            If both command more money then I expect then you are probably right..but I feel like of we sign Maclin it would be a cheap favor! trying to take care of a kid we drafted and just hope we get lucky and brings something to our offense??I can’t see us giving Maclin any real money whether we pay coop or not…

            Wonder if Andy will try and bid on our guys or if we can trade him guys like Damaris who we would cut, for a guy that prob wouldnt make KCs roster

          • Andy124

            Actually, I’d be pretty happy about Mac in KC. Wish them all the best.

            And if we can get Mac relatively cheap to go along with Coop, I’m sure Howie (and the rest of us) will be all over it.

      • Maggie

        The concert incident may matter more on the Internet than it does to professional NFL athletes, now that the heat of the moment is passed. After all, how many said they would rather play with Incognito, no matter how much of an ___________ (fill in the blank) he is, because he is allegedly good at knocking people over. Or maybe there is a double standard for skin-color insults. New England would take Hernandez back if they could break him out, because he caught the ball. The druggies get endless second chances if they can do their job.

        • Andy124

          Would not surprise me in the least if the concert incident turned out to be a non-issue with other teams.

          • GEAGLE

            Sure, if they don’t care about the bad press that will come the first week or two…No article written about the contract he signs this summer will leave out the racial incident…you know the media is all about the “clicks” now…

            I can assure you he can’t go into a new locker room without the media reminding all his new team mates and make them answer questions about it…media is garbage remember?

          • Andy124

            Would also not surprise me in the lease if the concert incident turned out to be an issue with other teams. :)

    • Tom w

      Maclin has yet to play in this system either, something cooper was lucky enough to do

    • Maggie

      Definitely agree with your first 7 sentences. Or maybe 8?

  • Dave

    While I agree bigger is better, the reality is that it makes sense for the Eagles to address the WR position in Free Agency as they have two free agents at that position. And the best choices of guys to sign are likely to be….Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper. Maclin is rated as the 2nd best FA WR by some behind only Eric Decker. He has spent a year learning this offense, and he likely is willing to agree to a pay as go sort of deal given he is coming off an injury. It makes much more sense to take him rather than commit to a mutli year deal with Decker or Nicks. Give him a 5 year deal at $8M per year. $8M in year one, with a huge $20M roster bonus due early in 2015. That way if it doesn’t work out, you can move on easily.

    Cooper is a similar situation in that he is probably viewed as more valuable here than anywhere else. He fits that big receiver role, can track a long ball, block and has good proven chemistry with Foles. He has earned a multi-year deal for about $6M per year with the first two years guaranteed. Pay the man.

    FA and draft picks at WR are crapshoots. How many times do you see a FA WR sign with someone and then do absolutely nothing in the new offense? I want the guys that we already have had a chance to evaluate in this system back.

    • Will

      No way Maclin gets a deal like that….need a 1 year prove it if anything…Eagles cut ties with Mac and look else where to finally get production from the WR spot….

      • Tom w

        Yep. Can’t just make up crazy salaries like its monopoly. He wants to pay maclin top 5 wr money after an acl. Holy shit

        • dave

          $8M per is more like #2 WR money. Heck, Avant makes $6M per. If you need the cap room for Maclin, just cut Avant.

      • dave

        The deal I suggested is better for the team than a one year deal. You want the team option to keep him for the future at a reasonable price as part of the deal. I don’t want a guy one a one year deal that I then have to negotiate with again next year. If I am the Eagles, I insist on a contract that allows me to keep him at a known price if he is successful.

        • Will

          And if the knee is bad you want a deal you can get out of without taking a huge cap hit or dead $….Maclin just doesn’t fit this Offensive scheme can’t see them doing anything but a cheap minimum deal for 1 year…

    • Tom w

      Wow I couldn’t disagree more w the money or giving maclin a long term deal w 2 acls and not fitting the system. Plus you can’t possibly pay all three wrs that much money for the next 4 yrs …. You won’t have money to resign foles cox Boykin Kendricks. Way too much money. Make maclin prove it. Get good cheap talent for a year. Move on next yr or sign him if he is a monster. Not now. He may run like a slow wr now. So we wait

      • dave

        The proposal for Maclin is essentially a one year deal at $8M with a team option they can exercise to sign him long term in 2015. Its an excellent deal for the #2 FA WR out there.

        • anon

          Nah, 8Mil?? You’d pay him more than wes welker? I’d give him 3 plus bonuses he can get to 6, but they’d be Mike Vick like bonuses.

  • Rick H

    Cooper is back no doubt!

    • Andy124

      There is always doubt. A mind without doubt is a mind without imagination.

      • Clamdigger

        “The More you Know!”

      • Rick H

        Poetic license Andy! I was simply voicing my opinion that it is highly likely Cooper is back. Nothing is certain in this world.

        • Andy124

          But… but it wasn’t a poem.

          I kid. Don’t take me too seriously.

  • Andy

    You know if you had told me a year ago that something would happen that would come to be called “The Chesney Incident” I would never have guessed that this would be it.

    • Andy124

      I know. Can you believe that security guard wouldn’t let Coop backstage? The nerve! I’m not sure he’ll ever live that down.

    • Will

      At least Cooper didn’t fail a substance abuse test and maybe woke up to the fact that too much alcohol is not a strong career move…

  • morgan c

    So Sheil, if we lose both Maclin and Cooper, what are your predictions about upgrading at WR? We will have an alarming deficiency there if you are correct. It seems pretty unlikely to me that the Eagles let both go, but that’s just my take. If they do, I would think you’d argue that they’d use their first or second pick at latest on a WR (and not a puss-rusher or safety)? Or do you think they go FA?

    • GEAGLE

      Eagles will already want to:
      Replace Damaris
      Upgrade Avant or make him take a pay cut
      They probably would like to upgrade Maehl
      They can’t count on Maclin, if they sign him it’s a flier
      They can’t count on Benn! they prob bring him into camp, no expectations

      People talk about this offseason like we have 36 draft picks. people also act like signing other teams WR’s isnt going to cost money and some type of commitment, not to mention the week FA market

      Brad smith isn’t costing much money, and paying Desean and Coop(assuming the price tag is reasonable) shouldn’t be an issue…all the money in the world and we can’t pay TWO young veteran WRs? Obviously I wouldn’t match all offers, but you try to work it out and get it done…Put incentives in his contract, that if he reaches them and continues to play as a quality #2, then he should get paid for it…..I just don’t see a guy who had a monster contract year in a different offense then what most teams run, getting these crazy 40million dollar offers…
      ..
      I can promise fans that we won’t be getting 4 new WRs, 4 new safeties! and 3 back up CBs….not going to happen….

      • theycallmerob

        agreed. I see DJax, Coop, Brad Smith staying. And, IMO, Avant- he’ll see a seriously reduced role, but I don’t think it’ll be an issue for him. That’s 4 guys, plus Ertz (who plays wide a lot)- DJax and Coop as 2 of the top 3, if you will, and Smith and Avant as depth. I’d say bring in 2 WRs from the draft (the earlier/better guy rounding out the top 3, the other more developmental), take a flier on a guy like Benn (or maybe Benn himself), and a UDFA or 2 to fill out the camp bodies.
        Don’t forget, there are already 2 more guys “signed”, at least to the 90 man roster- Momah and Murphy.

        • GEAGLE

          Yup..
          Desean
          Coop
          Brad smith
          I too believe Avant will take a pay cut because who the hell is going to honor his 3.5mil a year contract? He def gets a reduced role, but we probably still use him on 3rd downs because he is pretty darn reliable and is good against Zone defenses…and if we are investing draft picks in WRs, it doesn’t hurt to have such a classy professional to show them how NFL WRs work and conduct themselves…
          ..
          I also wouldn’t be surprised if we take a cheap flier on someone Trying to get over injuries, whether it’s Mac,Benn! Danario, but we wouldn’t count on a guy like that..
          ..
          We have two 5th round picks, one should go to rafting our second WR…the first one should be drafted in an earlier round…and grab a few Undrafted WRs and hope we catch lightning in a bottle with one of them

          • anon

            Agree with that Denario would be nice to see on a prove it deal, he had a spark but totally washed out. McCluster washed out too.

            I think one of those 5th round picks is going to be part of a trade.

            Honestly i wouldn’ mind seeing us trade out of the first all together (depending if our guys get taken) and having 2 seconds a third 2 forths and 2 fifths.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m open to anything sitting at 22…
            Trade up and draft Barr after he falls into the 15-20 range
            Trade back to the end of round 1 if a team like the pats or broncos love someone enough to move up to 22
            Trade out of round 1 altogether if a team wants to move up from round two to jump teams for a QB(the second wave of QBs usually starts late round 1/early round 2
            ..
            So many different directions we can go…Hopefully we sign a safety who we can pencil in to solve our safety problems from day one, so we really have draft FLEXABILITY instead of going into the draft, having to not only draft a safety, but draft. Safety we can count on starting next to Wolff from day 1..

            Much rather draft a safety that was the top player on the board when we draft, then having to draft a safety because the quality safeties are coming off the board and drying out quickly

          • anon

            Feel like safety is so glaring we have to get one in FA, Nate Allen will stay, and we’ll get one mid-late round draft pick. I just think we aren’t good at scouting DBs so there’s not a big likelyhood we risk a top pick on one in the draft.

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t believe Nate will stay, especially if we sign a better FA safety..Doubt Chip will be ok with backup safeties who don’t play ST, that should really hurt Nate. I think if we sign Nate, the other safety we sign will be another low priced Chung Type and project Nate and Wolff as the starters. if That were to happen, I think we would definitely definitely definitely draft a safety in the top 3 rounds, hoping he will soon be able to unseat Nate…..if we sign a much better safety then Nate, who we won’t be pressing to replace in the draft, we can get away with waiting til rounds 4 and 5 and look for another Wolff Type..
            ..
            BTW, what kind of safety doesn’t play ST? Like we don’t Cary any fullbacks on our roster who are usually impact ST players. We only have 1 TE playing ST…we better have a few safeties and LBs who are young, hungry to run down field and make a name off blowing up return men like Cordarell Patterson. I’m baffled as how a safety can’t play ST?

            Really hoping we get a healthy year out of Jason Phillips, especially if Colt walks

  • GEAGLE

    coop will be back..

    Can’t count on Mac, Avant is either gone or pay cut! can’t count on benn(although he said he will completely change his off season training regimen), Damaris NEEDS to be replaced, Maehl needs to be replaced….you have to he high to think we are only bringing back Desean and Brad smith and we will just go get 4 new WRs…NOT HAPPENING!

    First of all, you ain’t blowing 4 draft picks on WRs..unless you want to sign more Maclin!Benn,knee problems that can be counted on like Danario Alexander, it cost money to sign Other teams WR’s….and like signing Coop it will cost a commitment. We are also talking about one of the most fickle Diva positions in the game..signing other teams guys and just assuming they will be all in, and block their ass off in the he run game is a gamble. We run the ball 50% of the time! which means atth e very least I can count on Coop being an Elite WR 50% of the time! the dude also happened to go up and battle for Jump balls as well as any WR in the league this year, and our QB has built up the trust to throw it up to him..I’m not down to lose that over an extra mil or two that someone else offers him. Give the man a decent signing bonus, give him 3.5-4 per year, and load his contract with incentives, and if he wants to continue to play like a Beast, Then good for us, we should be happy to pay him to continue to produce..

    The discussion is Do you think this year was a Fluke, or if you do pay him. Do you think he will continue to play the way he did this year. With this QB and in this Offense? That’s what matters. if you think he will continue to out jump DBs, battle for balls! get physical and punish DBs in the screen game and running game, then you work it out and keep him here….
    .,
    For me this is much to do about nothing, I don’t think in such a deep WR class, that teams are going to be throwing money at Riley..I just don’t see it. GMs know their offense probably isn’t very similar to the offense Coop succeeded in, and typically they tend to be war of other teams players who only play well in the contract year…

    You Tie up money into Desean,Brad Smith, and Coop…If Benn,Maclin or Avant like it here so much, they will have to take a pay cut, if not…thanks for the memories or in Benns case! thanks for the dreams….so we go into the season with 3 veterans who were here last year, but who are a few years from being old and starting to decline(4 if we take a flier on a veteran Knee injury prove it deal)..the other 3 WRs spots should be filled with young, blazing, athletes…If we want to get a young,blazing athlete in there draft who is polished and ready to contribute day one, those cost very high draft picks…but since you have great teachers and player development coaches, you can afford to just draft fast, Raw athletes and develop them into football players. having Brad!coop and Desean allow us to develop and ease guys onto the field like we did with Ertz…That way, half of our WR corp will be signed to rookie deals(can’t draft 3, so one will prob be a talented raw Undrafted guy)

    if we hit on the WR we draft, and develop them into future starters, 3 years from now when they will be eligible for contract extensions, Desean,Coop and Brad will be getting up there in age, and coming off the books..That’s how we compete in SEPTEMBER, incorporate the young guys into the offense as the season goes on, so by December! we should have more weapons then we had this year and when it’s time to move away from Coop and Desean! we will have our guys already developed in your system! ready to take over and transition seamlessly…
    ….
    if we plan on having 5-6 veteran WRs on our roster next year, then signing Cooper becomes problematic. But Chip always talks about young athleticism, and most of us expect to get Younger at the position in the he draft..If we are paying 3 young players rookie deals, tying up money in Coop Desean and Brad shouldn’t be an issue…

    I don’t really even want to bring our FA’s back..but Coop and Donnie have to stay, Donnie will get smacked with the franchise tag so fast if he even thinks about leaving lol..

    Mac,Avant can have a home here as long as they would like, but only at the right price..

    • Andy124

      Momah.
      I can dream too you know.

      • GEAGLE

        He will be at Camp and it’s his second year removed from injury, who knows, maybe we get lucky

        • Andy124

          Need to get him some ‘roid rage without the ‘roids.

          • GEAGLE

            He can do all the Roids in the world as far as I’m concerned as long as he doesn’t piss hot :)

          • Andy124

            Boo. Success with honor! :)

          • GEAGLE

            let me just get a little taste of real success, then I’ll worry about the honor lol

            That 60 minute A rod interview Sunday night was crazy

          • cliff henny

            only part i caught, it doesnt get in or out of system that fast. need to build up levels for consistent time. why bonds monitored his so hard, kept it right below fail line.
            .
            i’d of taken the 250k, but moved to costa rica..who the heck wants to live in coumbia?

          • GEAGLE

            RIGHT!!! I’d take that money and go to a Carribean island called Dominica

          • anon

            Yeah too bad A Rod didn’t have some sort of confi with the guy. surprised he’s suing baseball on the back of that.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude said Arod’s thugs tried to get him to sign one

          • Michael Deen

            Columbia is amazing. I thought it was going to be dangerous and shady – complete opposite. Beautiful country side and landscapes, cheap living, awesome food, nice people. I honestly can’t wait to take another trip back…

          • GEAGLE

            Uruagay is an awesome place to Live..I have family in Italy who went there for vacation, loved it so much that they never left..Visited there about 7 years ago…what a calm, fun, gorgeous place to live

          • Michael Deen

            Never been but I love to see the world over. I’ll have to put it on the big board, do some research, tell the ladyfriend, and check it out. Thanks for the tip man!

          • GEAGLE

            If you really like to travel and enjoy Nature..hamstead beach is where they filmed all the beach scenes for Pirates of the Carribean 2 and 3(they filmed those two simultaneously)..amazing places to visit:
            Indian river (picture the amazon river boat ride)
            The bubbling lake
            Emerald pool, nature created a waterfall in a private cove where the bottom is emerald green
            Trafalgar falls. Like 7 of the most beautiful rain Forrest you will ever see right in the middle of the rain Forrest
            ‘,
            So much natural beauty on that Island, but it’s not a big party place so it’s BYOB. bring your own broad lol

          • cliff henny

            too much watching Drug Inc on NatGeo channel. i picture private armies protecting drug fields on the edge of town and everyone racing around because they’ve been chewing on cocoa leaves

          • Maggie

            Columbia is very modernized in the cities, with hundreds of years of tradition to admire.

          • theycallmerob

            tell that to the SEA secondary. Legion of Boom my a$$…more like Legion of Needle Into Hamstring.

          • GEAGLE

            Right!! Half their secondary got popped for Roids, the other half got popped for aderal, and I’d be rooting my ass of for them right now if they were A real bird, and not some crummy seahawk

          • theycallmerob

            yea, get a real bird….losers.
            Should be the Crows, cause all they do is run their mouths

          • Maggie

            I believe Seahawk sounds more combative and exciting than Osprey.

    • anon

      That’s a long post but i think i agree. WR is a diva position but you know they are divas coming in — question is whether it’s worth it. I think Benn should be gone, I’d replace him in the draft — but i think he’ll be here through TC. I’d like to see one FA like McCluster and a draft guy in the top 3 rounds.

      Think Coop is a product of scheme and the fact that no one game plans against him. Think that will change next year. Happy to see him stay on a Howie deal but it’s not like the team couldn’t replace him if he left.

    • cliff henny

      dropping pearls today Johnny G!

  • Shark

    I personally think both are average. Cooper just fits the mold of the system so he probably realizes he should stick around. Maclin COULD be very good and has a high ceiling, but has been consistently above average, would not be surprised if he left for better guaranteed money, but wouldn’t be surprised if he stayed on a one year deal, stays healthy and kills it, then leaves for even better money

    • Shark

      By average I meant, in any other system they would be a 40-60 rec guy. They fit well with Kelly however

  • Joe

    Man, after coming to this site regularly for the passed year I’ve noticed I rarely agree with Sheil’s opinion.

  • fran35

    Lest we all forget: Philadelphians have been dying for a big WR that plays BIG since Carmichael. Cooper fought for jump balls as good as almost anyone in the league. He is a willing blocker and is not high maintenance if he doesn’t get the ball for a game or two. He has chemistry with Foles and despite his antics this past summer, a good relationship with most on the team. Factor all of this together, and I see Cooper getting locked up here. Chip’s way is kind to stats for skill positions if you buy into his way. I would gladly throw more money at Coop than Maclin. I don’t want to be in this spot next year wishing we had a big receiver to fight for the ball. While Riley Cooper is not a rare bird, they do not grow on trees.

    • GEAGLE

      It’s simple for me…if you are big body weapon who is producing, I want you here”"

      You are talking about how Philly has wanted that big body weapon for years, I hear you, but I WANT FOUR big Body pass catchers in our stable, with Tiny Desean moving all around the formation driving defenses crazy..Coop and Ertz give us two..two is closer to having 4, then one is…so I’m not OK with losing Coop, I’m trying to add Big Body’s to beat up little DBs to Ertz and Coop

      • aub32

        I agree with adding Coop, but I would rather have Mac than many of the big “No body” WRs available.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m not opposed to bringing back Mac and Coop..However I would be opposed to us bringing back Mac and COUNTING on him to play a major role next year…I sign him to do him a favor!since he has no leverage and hope our good deed pays off and we get lucky.
          ,,,,
          We can’t overvalue our own guys when their contracts expire, but we also can’t treat them like crap and throw us into the street..That Dynamic, probably contributed to holding us back from winning a Super Bowl when we were a top team under banner. If we want to draft guys, and have them all buy in and become a family, we can’t be pissing away young plays because “they played too good for us to pay”…disgruntled players can weigh us down…What kind of message does it send to our players, if Coop and Mac could have been brought back on fair reasonable deals and we let them walk?
          Banner as much as we were disgusted by his crummy gross self, did a lot of good building this team, but his shrewdness went overboard and he created distractions in our locker rooms during a few years when we were a Top team in Super Bowl or bust mode…Howie hopefully learned banners good ways! without going overboard with the shrewdness to where it becomes a fatal flaw that hinders us, If our coaches and locker room leader can keep this team a united family, where everyone buys in and makes whatever neccessary sacrifice, we will get back to the top of the NFL, when will be the question, not IF
          ..
          This city is all about having DOGS who go out and fight, play with passion, sacrifice to win, and OVER ACHIEVE..that was Riley Cooper this year. Find a way too ADD to that, instead of replacing it!

          • aub32

            What held us back from not winning SB was not getting even decent WRs. It’s hard to win with James Thrash and Todd Pinkston as your #1 and #2. You must be playing fantasy football if you think Maclin has no leverage. Have you paid any attention to some of the deals productive players have gotten, even coming off of a torn ACL. He pay not get the guaranteed dollars, but there will be teams willing to make him some decent offers. I am not overvaluing the guy either. He’s listed as the #2 most valuable WR hitting FA, only behind Eric Decker. He wold be #1 if not for the injury because he’s better than Decker.

          • Andy124

            Nothing held us back from not winning the SB. We fully achieved not winning the SB. :)

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, Maclin himself is talking about the possible reality that he might have to take a 1year deal…I could def see Andy offer him security, Mac is a good west coast O WR..

      • cliff henny

        hope Mike Evans runs a 4.75 at combine. never saw him get caught from behind in SEC, so his 40 time means nothing to me.

        • GEAGLE

          Same, that’s one dude that can walk the 40 as far as I’m concerned lol

          • cliff henny

            with raised arms flipping the double middles and an Eagles jersey draped over his shoulder.

          • GEAGLE

            OMG I would Friggin LOSE IT if I saw that!!

          • theycallmerob

            haha, post of the day!

  • aub32

    I would like to know if there really is any concerns about how Cooper would be received in other locker rooms or if that is just the media stirring things up. There are a lot and I mean a lot of players that have noteably done things much worse than Cooper. I am so tired of hearing this guy should stay here at a discounted rate because his ignorance offeneded some people. I would think that almost every player is smart enough to know there are much bigger concerns.

    • bill

      Yeah, I don’t know if that factor plays out as strongly as everyone else seems to think. Obviously Sconces continued to have a personal problem with Riley, but that dynamic did not seem to affect either player. In the end, most of the NFL seems to understand that they are professionals, and play that way on the field.
      I think the bigger factor, that doesn’t get mentioned nearly as often, is the fact that the draft is stacked with guys who approximate or are clearly better than Riley in terms of measurables. He’s competing with them as much as he’s competing with other FAs. Those guys who get drafted are going to be on longer-term, cheaper contracts (for the most part) and have only slightly less history of producing in the NFL.
      I think many around the blogosphere undervalue Cooper’s value to this team, but I also don’t think he’s as valuable under these circumstances on the FA market. I won’t be shocked to see him sign at 6M with the Eagles, but I think that number is likely to be a bit high. But Chip might value him enough to say he’s worth it. I think I would be shocked to see him get that on the open market this year, though. I think the competition from the draft class is just going to be too much for him to be that sought after.

      • anon

        Not looking good for FA WRs. GMs aren’t dumb, Decker will get paid, maybe one other guy, but most of the others will have to wait until after the draft or take crappy deals.

        Edit: On Riley, i think it’ll be hard for a GM to bring him in with a straight face. He has one year of numbers i think many are still skeptical and if the lockerroom isn’t right i think it could be a bad signing for some teams.

  • Rick H

    I hear Na Brown and Billy McMillan are in contact with the Eagles about the wide receiver possibilities. Everyone do not get too excited! Stay relaxed bc it is just a rumor at this point,

    • anon

      I’m sure WRs would love to come here. You see what Djax was doing early in the season, you see what RC was doing you gotta be excited about what you think you can do. Come here get stats for 3 years and then get a big deal elsewhere.

  • anon

    I didn’t realize McCluster was only 5’9″. I don’t think we’re going there. He could replace DJ2, but i think CK likes B. Smith. and Dexter probably wants a multi-year deal. Not sure if i was the only one on that train but i’m jumping off.

    • Token

      Brad Smith cant play. He literally gives you nothing.

      Ill take McCluster anyday when we are talking about filling out the roster type guys. He cant run, catch and most importantly return.

      This height thing is being read way too much into.

      • anon

        I thought the same thing and he can crush returns but i do feel like CK likes Brad Smith and McCluster will cost money for being a 5’9 guy so i don’t see it happening. Hopefully i’m wrong.

        • GEAGLE

          If we don’t pay for a mCLuster, Sprouls type, wouldn’t you worry about Chip over reaching for DAT?

          • anon

            I don’t know how he feels about DAT honestly (more my ignorance than
            anything else). I think he likes smith, as KR/PR (I like McCluster more
            but smith is cheap). In the run game would DAT do things better or
            different than Shady?

            I’m hoping that in the offseason CK, Shady, BB, and Polk will figure some things out.

          • GEAGLE

            Dat would most likely be used more like Sprouls/Westbrook, then shady who is used as a real running back…I wouldn’t expect DAT or McCluster to be taking to many actual carries away from Shady…
            ….
            One thing I think we can count on, is Chip wanting to improve the speed of our pass catchers. the more speed the more Chips offense can spread a defense thin…

            Going into the season, the thought was, the eagles have all this crazy speed that would appeal to Chip and make his offense work…but because of injuries and which players were playing, we really didn’t have as much speed as we thought we would.
            We never had Benn
            We lost Maclin which was one of our fastest weapons
            Damaris couldn’t get on the field..
            ,,.
            Where is all this alleged blazing speed we are said to have? Only real NFL speed we had at their position was Desean and Ertz.
            ..
            Coop,Celek and Avant all played major snaps and all 3 are average at best in the NFL speed department…For an offense that is supposed to be build on spreading out a defense with crazy speed, forcing them to have to cover the entire field, I’m actually surprised at how much space Chip was able to create, only really playing two above average pass catchers in terms of speed at their position(Ertz and Desean)…defensive coordinators are going to be better against us next year, so if we want our weapons to continue to isolate mismatched defenders and have a ton of space to work with, the speed off our weapons has to improve.
            ,..
            A guy like DAT or McCluster, I would expect to be used like Westbrook was used in the passing game, the value to Chip would be them stretching the field horizontally, while Desean, and the fast WR we add stretching it vertically..
            ….
            I haven’t watched any film on dat! seen him play live before! but I hear he is good at running the Wes Welker type of pivot routes that we all wish Desean could run, and he would be a weapon in our screen game, and dangerous on wheel routes we like to throw…

            Sprouls screen game is run out of a lot of two back sets..Think we could be dangerous screen team with Shady and DAT/McCluster in two back sets..just picture shady and dat both running wheel routes one on each side of the field matched up against LBs..don’t know how many teams have two LBs that can cover fast guys like that on wheel routes

          • anon

            Agree on need for speed. I assumed DAT would be KR/PR and catching balls out of the backfield. I think shady is a better version of DAT (but i haven’t watched DAT that much) so i don’t think we get a guy that overlaps with our best player when we don’t have a power back and a “slot” WR or a big body.

            If we get McCluster we have two KR/PR (or drop smith) and i think he could also play the slot and line up other places.

            We’ve been using TEs in the middle of the field lately and i don’t know if that’s b/c we don’t have a slot or CK just wants big guys in there.

          • Token

            DAT is one of those guys who is a fine college player, but nobody knows if he will find his way in the NFL. I also worry about his maturity. Dont think we need anymore guys like that.

          • Token

            I dont believe Chip loves Smith. He doesnt personally love each player he brings he. They prolly though Smith could help on returns, he didnt.

            If Smith is your return man next year its a failure. If its not a McCluster, then im betting someone they draft will excel at returns.

          • theycallmerob

            I’d lean draft, personally. I think there are 100 guys who could do that role adequately. I understand their hesitance to use DJax and Boykin on PR/KR, but I don’t think anyone expected DJ2 to be as bad as he was. and I agree, I had higher hopes/expectations for Smith.

          • GEAGLE

            Smith probably provide the best kickoff return I have seen in god knows how long…he also was really productive on our coverage units which do matter…..and it’s tough for me to believe that Chip isn’t high on a player he put in as QB twice in the redzone….I wasn’t too familiar with Brad before he got here, so I can’t really speak on his value. But to me, he looked like one of our better ST players and a versatile guy a creative coach like Chip would value…seems to fit the flexi bility mantra…but I think, what we think of him on offense will determine if he stays or goes…he wasn’t so good of a KR that we can’t upgrade…just the tallest midget in the room

          • Token

            Smith isnt a great returner. Really, over his entire career he had one season where he killed it on returns. I think he still gets NFL jobs based off that and his measurables. If hes taking Jeff Maehls roster spot, great. But I dont think hes gonna be much of a contributor. He never has been in 8 years. Hes a #5 WR that can help on coverage teams.

  • Kev_H

    One of the things the Eagles should have working for them on offense is continuity. Non-football issues make Maclin and Cooper more affordable than they might be. I think all three of them (Maclin, Cooper, and Jackson) are pretty good and neither Maclin nor Cooper will require a deal that the Eagles can’t affordably bail from if the need were to arise.

  • EaglePete

    let Macin walk and bring in Decker, he can also return kicks, great hands. Heck Id let Coop walk, keep Macin on 1 yr deal and add Decker although that may be too pricey. I agree with Sheil on this one on his first point.

    • Tiburon

      Decker is going to be VERY expensive–last two years have him putting up an AVERAGE of 86 catches for 1176 yards and 12 TD. Plus, how much of Decker’s success in due to Peyton Manning playing catch with him every week on Sunday? He won’t get paid in the top tier, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a contract with an AAV around $6-7MM/year. They could potentially have Maclin AND Cooper for less than that and use the savings to add depth.

      • EaglePete

        no way they get both for that, maybe just a tad more though. I agree he will get that 5 – 8 range and prob closer to 8 although depending on length and guarantees I could see 6ish. At that point thought you are getting a better player than both imo regardless of the Manning factor. Doubt they go that route though, they have guys to keep and can add through the draft. Only way this comes into play at all is if Maclin and Coop both leave.

  • Tiburon

    Looking at the cap space and the issues THAT presents, Maclin is finishing off his 5/$12.775MM rookie contract. It paid him $1.7MM last year, and he missed out on a $3MM escalator by getting hurt. I can see Maclin signing a one-year deal in the $2-3MM range to stay, and I think I’m fine with that (with ~$20MM in cap room to play with). Riley Cooper is a different story. Somebody is going to pay him, and I think the Eagles would be wise not matching the offer, especially if it gets too far into the 4/$14MM range. Don’t be surprised–NFLTR has Cooper ranked as the #5 WR available–ahead of Anquan Boldin–and only behind Decker, Nicks, Maclin, and Edelman. Football Outsiders also loves Cooper (ranking him 11th in the NFL in efficiency as a WR).
    This brings about the question of Avant. Avant’s role in the offense (on the field, at least) was diminished, and he’s due a decent amount of money this year (and saves you a big number to cut). I think a lot here will depend on what Cooper does for you and how his market develops. Avant is due $3.25MM this year, and results in a $2.5MM cap saving if you cut him. That’s a lot of money to commit to a #4 WR. So, if they get Maclin at $2.5MM for his “prove-it” deal in 2014, and Cooper comes back at a hometown discount rate of 4/$12MM, there is no way they keep Avant. If they let Cooper walk, Avant will slide into the #3 role with Jackson/Maclin at 1/2. If both Maclin and Cooper walk, they’ll have to make a move for a #2.
    Short of that scenario, I can’t see them going WR before the 4th or 5th round unless somebody falls into their laps. The defense has too many needs, and IMHO there are other needs as well.
    Don’t forget about Arrelious Benn, either. He’s here next year on a non-guaranteed $1MM salary. He could play a part as well.

  • GEAGLE

    Anyone hear anything about Lazor or Gamble?

    • theycallmerob

      Tommy just wrote about Gamble:
      http://eaglesblog.net/2014/01/tom-gamble-update/

      for those too lazy to click…..

      My sense is that Eagles VP Tom Gamble fully plans to stay in Philly. He believes in Chip Kelly's program, not ready to bolt after 1 year.— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 14, 2014

      • Andy124

        Thank you.

      • cliff henny

        post, i’m always too lazy to click.
        .
        good news. know idea who does what, how, where and to whom…but after last 2 drafts, let’s keep everyone in place for another year, please

        • theycallmerob

          I had you in mind when I wrote that.

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks..problem is I just heard we are losing Lazor to the Lions…FML

          • cliff henny

            they getting kelly? relax brother. lazor ‘s grow on trees

          • GEAGLE

            CONTINUITY DAMN IT!!! Don’t want to take any important pieces away so soon for a developing QB..give FOles ATleast another year with Coop n Lazor..
            ….
            I don’t even understand why this is happening. Why does Shurmur get to stay and we have to lose Lazor? It’s like a cruel nightmare…Shurmur can’t even sit in the booth and tell us when to challenge a call…would so much rather just promote Lazor to OC

          • cliff henny

            breathe dawg, breathe.
            .
            and rob, your repour rapport crack made me google breathe vs breath

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not sure if it’s definite…I’m also not sure if it was the Titans or lions….why is Shurmur here? We needed his experience on offense chips first year..why is he nit the guy we are losing?

          • cliff henny

            think kelly will get the best and brightest young minds to work with him on offense. just glad davis and crew isnt getting any looks

          • cliff henny

            first half of that sentence had me little worried.

      • Maggie

        Also, if Tom Gamble is as intelligent as we think he is, there is no way he would descend into that festering swamp in Miami. And I mean the football team, not the geography. He undoubtedly talked with them just to see how others would value him.

  • GEAGLE

    How the hell is Navaro Bowman signed to a big long term deal, but his base salary this year is only like 700k…

    • cliff henny

      http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Navorro Bowman&Position=ILB&Team=49ers
      .
      it changes quickly. goes up to to 4m then climbs a mil a yr for next 5yrs.

      • GEAGLE

        He sure seems like he did them a solid so they could keep last years windown open…the teams gets the services of kAp and Bowman and it only counts for 1.5 mil against the Cap?

        I hope we don’t take our time building this team..we are close enough to were we can really be a contender next year. I really want us to take advantage of our QB only counting for 350,000 against the cap?I know Howies new batting average free agent strategy, I even wrote about it on Sunday! I agree with it for the most part, but I can’t help but feeling it’s a mistake to not take advantage of the strength of this years FA market and solidify the safety position which has been a problem for way too long…we can’t expect to build on this year if we are going to start like 5 first and second year players on defense next year….
        ..
        We see promise in Wolff and begged for him back,,,and while I see him as having potential to grow into a quality NFL starter, right now, he is still just a developmental guy…We will want him to start next year, so I would prefer him lining up next to established Greatness…

        Paying for a quality safety we can count on also means we don’t have to chase a prototypical starting safety in the draft, and we can go after specialty hybrid safety Joyner who we can move all over the secondary
        ..
        The eagles couldn’t wait to tell you how great their cap situation was how much cap space we would have this year! how much money we were carrying over, and now that we are a good offseason away from a contender, everyone is talking like we are the strapped for cap cowboys. lose JP, Don’t Pay for coop! Good safeties cost too much, Don’t pay Demeco, Casey has to go….WHats the point in having one of the best cap situations if we are just going to act cheaper then the bills?
        ..
        Banner for all his faults, kept our cap on point and he also went out and added BIG name IMPact guys and HIT on them…so my boy Howie, needs to stop acting like a scared lil Bi-atch and bring in the cavalry..we were a playoff team this year, so everyone do there job and get us to Conference champion weekend next year!

        • anon

          Good guy to teach Wolff up.

        • cliff henny

          benfits of drafting star vs paying for them in open market. can really move the bonuses and structure contract.
          .
          long as they sign 1 top FA safety. i prefer ball hawks. loved nothing more than dawkins breaking rib, but those days are over. you say that’s byrd, then i’m for it. it’s going to be 9-10m/yr investment. might have ramifications to resigning ’12 or ’13 picks.

          • GEAGLE

            Grrrrr I just don’t know if I have it in me to wait another year or two for elite safety play to develop and that’s if we hit on the right pick and Wolff squeezes every drop out of his potential….it been SOOO long!! So long that I don’t even care about Dawk any more man…I’d go to church every day and give thanks just for a quintin Mikell right about now,,,

            Safety has turned into the Andy era version of WR/LB….it’s been too long, and every year we went without safeties, the position became more and more important…I don’t know that I can deal with another two up and down years at the position that will come with the Antoine bathea or major wright type of signing,,.
            ..
            When I write about not needing to replace our starting CBs, I do so with the assumption that the Pass rush will improve and a safety will be added who would be the best player in our secondary…if we are just going to continue to skimp the safety position then I don’t know that our CBs will be good enough, unless you develop some type of SB Giant dominant pass rush….I never imagined we could have so much cap space, and not take advantage of a good safety market and fix what has been an Achilles heel for too long…

            It’s starting to scare me….two friggin significant upgrades needed to be good enough to compete on defense! TWO…we are a stinking OLB and Top safety away ….so close, why do I feel so far?

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t want to pay 60million to outbid Bryd from Oakland?..I get it….but can there really be 3 Absurd teams that can afford to pay Byrd!Ward and HITner an obscene amount of money that we would be stupid to outbid?..

          • cliff henny

            feel your pain…as my father told me when i was 7 and wanted an Eagles jersey for xmas, said ‘aint nothing easy about being an eagle fan’

          • GEAGLE

            This is supposed to be past us…Tom gamble sat and watched Dashon Goldson and Donte Whitner for Years…he just sat thru a year of Chung and Nate…FIX IT GAMBLE!!!!!!!!!

  • dislikedisqus

    So much chemistry between Foles and Cooper, and big receivers are clearly the best. Plus never been injured. I’d most def bring him back.

  • MattE

    Eagles Cap room 2014 = $20 million

    Eagles Total WR 2014 scheduled payouts = $16.94 million dollars

    Eagles Hightest WR contracts in 2014: D-Jax $10.25 mill, Avant $3.25 mill, Brad Smith $1.3 mill, Benn $1 mill. Maehl and D. Johnson $1.4 mill (combined).

    The projected 2014 NFL Cap is $126 mill- $128 mill, thus currently constituted a 57 man roster would allow for around $2.2 mill per player x 6 players under contract equals $13.2 mill allocated per avg. to the WR corp. obviously we are over that total number for a position group with 6 guys on the depth chart. If they can release Maehl and Damaris and re-work Avant’s ( i would love for Avant to stay an Eagle his whole career), i think that is the only way Coop AND Maclin are both able to re-sign. If Chip starts going more (2) TE looks then IMO we are wasting money on the receiving corp. Ultimately i think Cooper is gonna want Avant type of money ($2-4 mill with at least 3 years on the contract). I think Cooper walks, Avant re-works contract because his best chance to stay in the league is in Philly. D-Jax ends up lowering his cap number via contract re-working to get him his guaranteed money up but cap number down (ala Tom Brady taking less money per year but better security in the long run). If we sign both Maclin and Cooper we automatically tie up an extra $5-6 mill in WR’s in 2014…. but isn’t anyone curious to see what Benn/Brad Smith can do? I was excited about the Arrrelious Benn signing last year.