What They’re Saying About the Eagles

NCAA Football: Chick-fil-A Bowl-Duke vs Texas A&M

From mock drafts to Johnny Manziel buzz to the latest on Bill Lazor, here’s what the national media are saying about the Eagles this week.

And if you missed the season finale of Birds 24/7 on 97.5 The Fanatic, click here for the podcast. We broke down what went wrong against the Saints and looked ahead to the offseason.


Eagles QBs coach Bill Lazor interviewed for the Dolphins' offensive coordinator job earlier this week, but he doesn't appear to be a favorite, per ESPN's Adam Schefter (via Rotoworld):

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter Friday morning that the Dolphins' offensive coordinator search is "zeroing in" on Kyle Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, and Ben McAdoo.

DeMeco Ryans made SB Nation's All-Disappointing Team:

Ryans handled the switch to a 4-3 defense reasonably well when he arrived in Philly in 2012, but his struggles in the Eagles' 3-4 this season did little to conjure memories of his glory days with the Texans. Ryans looked slow to the hole on run defense, was unproductive as a blitzer and often victimized in pass coverage.

NFL.com writers project where Johnny Manziel might get picked. Daniel Jeremiah pegs the Eagles as a possibility:

This is an obvious choice: the Chip Kelly-led Philadelphia Eagles. Kelly recruited him to play at Oregon and he's a perfect mix of athleticism and accuracy to fit the Eagles' scheme. Tampa Bay is another team that would make sense. They have big wide receivers and Manziel loves to throw those 50-50 balls down the field.

Chris Burke of SI.com has the Eagles taking TCU CB Jason Verrett with the 22nd pick:

The Eagles defense improved greatly as the year progressed, but it still finished dead last in the league against the pass. Dennard’s the only corner off the board so far, leaving Philadelphia its choice of impact players. Verrett is not far behind Dennard — and some might argue he’s actually the best CB in this class.

Doug Farrar of SI.com looks at the Eagles' defense going forward:

Drew Brees threw two picks and was limited to 250 passing yards. Mark Ingram ran for 97 yards and a touchdown on 18 carries, which certainly went against type, but Davis and the Eagles have a lot to look forward to with this defense. The front seven is excellent minus a top-tier pass-rusher, the secondary can be tweaked from good to great with a few new moves and it’s clear that Davis is in sync with his players. To his credit, it was the coach who took the blame for deficiencies in the run defense.

Dane Brugler of CBSSports.com has the Eagles landing Notre Dame defensive lineman Stephon Tuitt with the 22nd pick:

Chip Kelly will continue to build the Eagles' defense and look to get bigger, faster and stronger. Tuitt moves extremely well for his size and gives Kelly a player that can be moved all over the Eagles' defensive front.

Rob Rang of CBSSports.com has the Eagles going with Oregon State defensive lineman Scott Crichton:

Based on the strength of Chip Kelly's offense, the Eagles won the NFC East. The Eagles finished 30th in pass defense over the regular season, however, making it easy to imagine which unit they'll be looking to improve for 2014. The Eagles took full advantage of Kelly's familiarity with the Pac-12 a year ago, using half of their eight draft picks on players from the conference his Ducks dominated. Kelly will certainly know and appreciate the pass rush and passion Crichton provided at rival Oregon State.

Football Outsiders' numbers had LeSean McCoy as the least valuable running back of wild-card weekend:

In a pretty good week for running backs, somebody had to finish last. In 21 carries against New Orleans, McCoy had one touchdown and five other first downs, with one 10-yard run, while being stuffed for no gain or a loss twice. He's also penalized for going 0-for-3 on third downs, though he converted a pair of fourth-down runs (including his score). He had three catches for 15 yards in five targets, but no first downs, including three more failed third-down plays.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland with his dream scenario for Manziel:

Please note that this is not an actual rumor. Barnwell is just spit-balling, which is what we do in the offseason.

Follow Sheil Kapadia on Twitter and e-mail him at skapadia@phillymag.com.
Become a fan of Birds 24/7 on Facebook.

  • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

    Dick and I know all too well that DJax is famous for his disappearing act in the playoffs, save for one play in 2008. Here’s to hoping Shady doesn’t follow in his steps. Tis why 36West was and still is the best. He was money in the clutch.

  • Zachary Kahn

    DeMeco Ryans 2013 Stats per ESPN: 127 tackles, 4 sacks (career high), 2 picks (career high), 7 passes defended (career high)…sure he wasn’t always dominant but to say he was a disappointment is ridiculous. He had a very good year.

    • DEBO 215

      Yeah I don’t get that article at all.

    • James Hathaway

      Oh by the way, better stats than Probowler Patrick Willis.

      • BleedGreenJames

        How dare you question the credibility of the Pro Bowl.

    • theedevilsadvocate

      exactly

      • Ascher Levy

        Also does not take into account that he is the QB of the defense and did great directing the players, especially the younger ones.

  • Dominik

    So we can get Johnny Manziel, a safe First-ballot HoF QB, just for Nick Foles, our First Rounder and a 4th rounder? Wow. Done deal. Someone give me Rosemans number.

    I mean, it’s obvious Manziel is going to have 40 TDs with 2 INTs + 600 rushing yards with 8 Rush TDs, isn’t it?
    It’s time we get rid of that scrub Foles. 0-1 in the Playoffs, and he’s almost 24 years old. He has “loser” written all over his face.

    • theycallmerob

      he’s mobile. it’s all Chip has ever wanted, as he has said so himself time and time again.

      • cliff henny

        you read the bill barnwell article on grantland? it’s torture, and usually like the guy

        • theycallmerob

          I like him too, so after I saw the tweet above I decided that’s an article I’ll skip
          Think fans of you-know-who will be alluding to that as proof Foles doesn’t fit?

          • NickS1

            ansfay of Ickvay?

          • Dominik

            I’m glad that I made the irony too clear to overlook it. Honestly, I expected about 4 downvotes. You’ll never know. Speaks for this blog and the commenters here that there aren’t too many morons who don’t understand the obvious.

          • NickS1

            We generally try to be a pretty reasonable bunch. There are obviously disagreements, but most of us can keep them civil. There are some, however…

          • cliff henny

            JERK-FACE!

          • theedevilsadvocate

            stupid dummy head!!!!!!!

          • cliff henny

            unprovoked, not participating in thred as of yet and cutting into convo…tri-fecta..i approve!

          • NickS1

            Butt-head

          • G_WallyHunter

            Vick should still start

      • Richard Colton

        It’s true – I was in the room with Chip, Knute Rockne and Amos Alonzo Stagg when he said it.

        • theycallmerob

          room? I thought they had these conversations on the subway, rubbing elbows with the locals?

    • Max Lightfoot

      The Redskins would make that deal if they didn’t have no draft choices until 2018.

  • cliff henny

    Daniel Jeremiah must of had a poor performance review, he’s trolling to hits.

  • theycallmerob

    Is there another Demeco Ryans in the NFL I don’t know about? WTF are those SB nation guys smoking?

    • theedevilsadvocate

      very close friends of rob ford…

    • sprawl

      My best guess is that somebody is still mad about him leaving Houston?

  • James Hathaway

    What exactly was “disappointing” about Ryans performance? He was a stud. Tackling machine, came up huge with that interception against Brees, and had other major, major plays. One of the big reasons our run D was as strong as it ended up this year. To put him on the list of the All-Disappointment Team is a travesty.

    • cliff henny

      problem with Ryans is 1st half of year he was playing behind Sopoaga, who was getting shoved 4 yrs back in his lap. once Logan was put in, looked like Ryans found the fountain of Hals.

  • cliff henny

    please Miami hire Shanarat Jr, then there’s no way Gamble is going to take GM job.

    • NickS1

      Feel like if he were going to take it, he probably would have already. I hope he read that deadspin article I posted yesterday

    • Dominik

      If you can actually get Kubiak to be your OC, how can you turn that down? Obviously, if he has success, you’ll be looking for a replacement next year or the year after that, but then he turned Tannehill into a good QB – what more could you ask for? I’m sure the Chargers don’t regret hiring Wisenhunt.

      And with all due respect to Lazor and his great work with Foles this season, Kubiak is a lot more proven than him.

      Shanahan? That would be too great to actually believe in it. That would keep two good Eagles minds, Gamble and Lazor, away from the Dolphins, like you pointed out, cliff.

  • addicted2mula

    Foles for Johnny ha!

  • DEBO 215

    That trade is absurd. You give up a QB that just had 27 TD’s and 2 int’s in roughly 3/4 of a season, and a first…AND A 4th…to get Johnny Manziel at 5? B!tch please!
    Whatever the hell that guy is smoking, he needs to pass that sh!t over here. That trade wouldn’t even go down in a Madden franchise. That’s pathetic. If they were going to move up to get a QB in this draft, it’d be Foles for the teams 1st and 3rd round pick. That’s it, and that’s stupid. This class looked a lot better before Hundley and Mariotta decided to stay at school…now not so much. I think Bortles is probably the best in the bunch.
    If they move up at all, I hope it is to get an impact player on defense, or one of the MANY talented WR’s…Watkins, Lee, Evans…all beasts.

    • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

      I’m all for drafting a real WR for a change. These punt-returners-turned-WR on the roster is one carry-over from Reid that I can do without. I still don’t get why he was so obsessed with tiny WRs. Especially after seeing one of the best physical receivers – TO – in action.

      • DEBO 215

        Agreed. Whether it’s in the draft or in free agency (Eric Decker, Hakeem Nicks), they should get a big body on the outside. Cooper is good too. Maclin might be cheap but who knows how well he responds from knee surgery…
        I’d love a big, physical, fast WR on the outside.

        • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

          Cooper fits the mold, no doubt. Great asset in the RZ. Only thing missing from his game is speed.

    • cliff henny

      if i was Howie and some team came to me inquiring about Foles, i start off asking for more then Wash gave for RG3. at minimum, 3 firsts, and 2 2nds, and i never budge off the 3 firsts. even then, i’m probably typing comments on PM24/7 while we’re talking. not paying a whole heck of alot of attention to you. Maybe Rams, but i’d want damn near everything this yrs, both 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and 1st and 2nd in next yrs.

      • DEBO 215

        EXACTLY. His value is through the roof. The guy just had one of the best statistical seasons in the history of the game. If you sell, it better be HIGH AS THE SKY!

      • anon

        There’d have to a bidding war. But that said Carson Palmer went for two firsts (or maybe a first and a second b/c the raiders didn’t get any better).

        • cliff henny

          seriously. i’d want something that’s equal to what minne gave dallas h walker + (plus) what NO gave up for Ricky Williams…mean, i’d want ALOT. bright side, wouldnt need scouting department for 2 yrs, i’d have your whole f’n draft, and most of the 3rd

          • anon

            Cleveland seems like a logical trading partner they have like 8 picks in the first two rounds. Plus then Nick would be in the AFC hopefully keeping baltimore out of the playoffs.

          • cliff henny

            except for the Banner issue. 8 is a good start. still have to hand me bridgewater, and have 7 or 8 1st and 2nd rdrs, including own, next 2 yrs. i mean ALOT.
            .
            just for S&G’S…what if kelly thought barkley had higher ceiling than foles. haha, bludgeon rams and walk with clowney evans and joyner plus eagles picks…GDit i love fantasy gm’g

    • trixman

      Am I mis-reading Barnwell’s tweet? I don’t see where he is including the Eagles 1st round pick in his dream trade.

      • DEBO 215

        #22 and #24 to the Raiders. 22 is our pick.

        • trixman

          Got it. Thanks.

  • Justin

    This is why Bill Barnwell isn’t a GM.

  • Mikeq

    I’d have to think about it, but I’d probably do the Barnwell trade if it was Mariotta instead of Manziel (if Mariotta was in draft). Big difference to me is Mariotta is known to the Chipper, and shown he can perform with him at the college level. Sure Manziel was recruited by Chip, but that’s no guarantee it would have worked at Oregon, let alone one level up in class. Plus there’s some of the off-field baggage/maturity issues with Manziel. Haven’t heard any of that with Mariotta. But really, I have no problem with just having Foles.

    • Ark87

      Barnwell’s wish was more about his personal desires rather than a prediction of what should happen. He wanted to see Foles take Dalton’s job and run an offense with more West Coast principles, while Manziel’s surest method of being as electric as he was in college is by playing for Chip. Not sure Barnwell truly believes his suggestion is best for the Eagles, he’d just love to see it, maximum entertainment value for him.

      • DEBO 215

        Yeah but his value of these players is completely shot…

        • Ark87

          just trying to emphasize, i think he said that as a fan of football, not a couch GM

          • therevxxx

            Well to be honest… I don’t see Foles having the same value for every team. Chip put him in a great system to maximize his strengths. I’m not so sure other teams would do that.

          • therevxxx

            Just to be clear.. i am not backing that proposed trade. I want Foles as our QB next year.

          • Mikeq

            Completely agree. As a parlor game it’s fun to think about getting Mariotta, but no way do I think Eagles should be focused on QB this off-season. That first round pick will be too valuable for other roster holes.

          • DEBO 215

            I can see that but the notion that they’d get so little for him is crazy.
            Once upon a time they got a 2nd round pick and a starting CB for Kevin Kolb.

            That. Happened.

          • therevxxx

            Very true… We should be able to get back a sizable return for Foles. Not that I want that to happen, but if we were shopping, we could get a much much better trade.

          • Ark87

            Yeah seriously, blows my mind, still. Good point.

    • B-West

      I’ll be curious to see if the Eagles roll over a draft asset to next year from this year’s draft. If they trade back or out of a pick entirely to pick up an additional 1st rounder for next year, that will be a sign to me that Mariotta could very much be on the radar.

      • anon

        I watched the stanford game — i’d rather take NF, though Mariota is young I just wasn’t impressed.

    • JofreyRice

      Also, Mariota has shown he can play within a system (Chip’s system) and perform at a high level. I wouldn’t trade the known quanity of Foles for a relative unknown in Mariota, though.

      Manziel, while exciting, has had the benefit of protection by the #2 Tackle off the board in last year’s draft, and the #1 Tackle off the board in this year’s draft, as well as the luxury of throwing balls up to the best contested catcher in the nation. He’s too frenetic and random, week-to-week, to sell out and take that high. I’m all for mobile QB’s–prefer watching them, actually, and always on the lookout for the mythical ultimate weapon that can do it all–but Manziel is just too haphazard with his pocket movement. Big difference between a guy that runs based on reads, or when all else fails, and a guy that takes off at will.

      • OldDocRoss

        Manziel is just too haphazard with his pocket movement. Big difference between a guy that runs based on reads, or when all else fails, and a guy that takes off at will.

        I’ve got a bit of a man crush on Manziel but I can’t disagree with any of that. Not saying there’s no chance of him being a success in the NFL but it’s a risk I’d rather the Eagles were no part of.

      • cliff henny

        i cant wait to watch Manziel play…on another team. was pulling for him before Foles popped and his bowl game was a huge turnoff. while announcers were claiming how great it was, felt like he reverted back to old habits once things got tough. thought some of this was coached out of him. it’s fun to watch, but that reverse pivot spin to left, holy smokes, if there’s ever a D-end or OLB he hasnt seen waiting there for him, be scrapping pieces of him up.

        • NickS1

          sounds familiar….

          • cliff henny

            yup. mid-season he was playing from the pocket though. if you look at his stats, he completes over 75% from there. it’s not like he cant or hasnt done it.
            .
            also, not going to lie, starting looking at Manziel a whole lot differently after week 11,12,13 etc. i’m a card carrying member of the flipflop team

          • NickS1

            Think it was pointed out he’s had two great tackles. When they can keep you upright and buy you time, it allows for a high percentage. Doesn’t hurt throwing to the best physical receiver in the nation. It’s that “when the pocket collapses” that scares me, and many, I’m sure. You stated why, rather eloquently.

        • anon

          He wins games, which is a great stat.

          • cliff henny

            so did aj mccarron, you want him? couldnt give a ratzass about w/l %

          • anon

            What does matter if not QB stats + competitive nature? That he’s a prick? Lots of people are pricks at 21 and not at 25.

          • cliff henny

            where did i ever comment on his personality. mostly what happened for me, as foles got better, started really nitpicking qb flaws. after 1st dallas’ game, manziel just needed reigned in, after bears game, he was uncoachable streetballer. same player, different cliff.

        • GEAGLE

          Can’t wait to see manziels mug shot pic when he gets int a bar fight, or knock up some hoodrat

          • anon

            Rings make lots of things go away — ask “big” ben.

  • DEBO 215

    If you are an NFL GM and you trade a QB that just had 27 TD’s and 2 int’s and don’t get multiple first round picks, you should be fired immediately.

    • sprawl

      I’m glad Jerry Jones will never have a QB capable of putting up those kinds of numbers because he’s the one guy who would make that trade and then have to fire himself.

  • Token

    First, if we got Manzeil itd be my worst nightmare scenario. Luckily he will go top 5 I feel. QBs are important, someone will go get him.

    I feel we should be past this CBs in the 1st round idea. I feel its a little bit of old common thinking sort of thing. If you have the best corner in football, whats the overall impact? Let alone taking on with your first pick. I think you need good solid guys there. But the value on corners just shouldnt be as high as it once was IMO. Safety has surpassed it. And quality safeties are much harder to come by.

    If they take a OL again ill puke.

    • cliff henny

      the only qb trade i’d even consider, slightly…is raking the Rams over red hot coals for both 1sts this yr, ’15′s, probably ’16 and some 2nds, too and guarenteed Bridgewater.

      • DEBO 215

        I’d draft Clowney. Bridgewater is probably going #1 to Houston.

        Edit: Then I’d take Bortles with the next pick.

        Filth.

        • cliff henny

          Houston would have to agree to trade prior. have the 2nd, 13th 22nd 45th and 54th. package 2nd and 22nd…draft bridgewater, barr, joyner and Landry…hold up, this is getting interesting …Lucky i’m not GM, plus, had a couple miller lites at lunch and havent stopped.

          • theycallmerob

            ha, I switched to self-employed a few weeks back. really changed my attitude re: drinking and working

          • cliff henny

            long as not slurring words

        • Token

          Wouldnt be surprised if Clowney is one of the bigger busts of the past few years.

          You cant teach work ethic and heart.

    • Richard Colton

      Imagine if Vick never got hurt and we finished between 7-9 and 9-7 with almost no shot at Bridgewater, Bortles, or Manzeil. Our conversation would be – do we want to draft Carr, or let two relative unknowns in Foles/Barkley fight it out during training camp. Depressing.

      And you mean there isn’t a scenario where you would even consider an OT at 22? Bet I can change your mind.

  • Sean Mac

    I feel like the columnists only watched one game this year…the wildcard game

  • Andy

    There are many problems with Barnwell’s scenario, but the most glaring one is that the Raiders don’t trade back to accumulate picks.

    • guest

      you mean in the 2014 draft? or ever?

      in 2013, raiders traded back from #3 to #12, swapping 1st rd picks with miami plus an extra 2nd that miami had. ‘phins picked dion jordan.

  • BleedGreenJames

    I like Justin Gilbert, CB, OK St.

  • Corey Dawson

    Nick Foles and a 4th for Manziel? That’s terrible. That’s probably just because I’m a Manziel hater though, he’s an idot off the field.

    • Michael Jorden

      No, I think it’s terrible on it’s own merit.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    this kid looks like a kicker…

  • GEAGLE

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the offseason. Prediction time. That time of year when all the writers experts and analysts prove how clueless they are while polluting the brains of fanbases with nonsense…it’s going to be a challenge to maintain my sanity…tr ed turning on the radio, and already all the brothers are talking about trading FOles…

    QBs have to be mobile again…it’s that time of year smh

  • GEAGLE

    If someone wants FOles they would have to give up more then the skins did for rg3

    • cliff henny

      you see my trade sceranio below? Red.Hot.Coals!

  • GEAGLE

    Ok, I been in this thread for 5 minutes and I’m already infuriated by the nonsense…catch yous in another thread…this is just too much for me to handle

    • cliff henny

      oh, you’ll be back…you always do

  • theedevilsadvocate

    urban dictionary:
    3. Jerk Face
    A nickname for Chicago Bears’s quarterback Jay Cutler which refers to fact that he has the face of jerk.
    Jerk Face has thrown three interceptions today and now I want to kill myself. What a Jerk Face!

    • cliff henny

      the jerk store called, they’re looking for you

      • theedevilsadvocate

        no but really jay cutler does have a real jerkface!

        • cliff henny

          seinfeld reference, hope you know that

    • Mr. Wu

      Although he does have a jerk face I thin k I would still categorize him as more of a dickhead. But he also falls into the royal douche genre.

      See hw multifaceted he is?

      • Max Lightfoot

        And I had him pegged as a jerk nozzle …

  • Andy124

    Damn, Barnwell’s account done got hacked by bigbutt!

  • Bird of Prey

    SB Nation, what were you watching this year? It sure didn’t seam like the Eagles with Ryans calling the defense and making plays all over the field. Maybe he was looking at his notes from last year.

  • GreenScabs

    You can tell the idiots at SB Nation have no clue what they’re talking about when they say that Ryans handled the switch from 3-4 to 4-3 well when he was traded to the Eagles, but switching back to a 3-4 defense didn’t resemble his glory days in Houston! Well guess what you complete morons?? Ryan’s played in a 3-4 in Houston for all of one season, and during that one season he was coming off of a torn achilles! All of the other seasons be played in the NFL were in a 4-3 defense, and Houston switching to that 3-4 was the reason they were willing to trade him because they thought he didn’t fit the 3-4, but it’s pretty clear that it wasn’t his inability to play the 3-4 that hampered his one 3-4 season in Houston, it was the year he needed to fully recover from the injury.

    Man I can’t stand it when lazy ass “writers/commentators” have no idea what they’re talking about while trying to completely degrade a players ability!!