Eagles Wake-Up Call: Chemistry Mattered In 2013

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Bennie Logan didn’t know what to expect from an NFL locker room.

The rookie from LSU had heard tales about how the chemistry on a professional roster was far different from that of a college squad. But with his first year in the books, Logan’s perception has changed.


"You hear stories in college about the NFL - it’s not really like college bonding," Logan said. "But the thing that surprised me being here is everybody is a family. There’s a brotherhood here. Just to see the way the guys grew from Week 1 to Week 16, 17, to see the way that we grew and bonded together through the whole season was something incredible."

Players said their good-byes to one another at the NovaCare Complex Monday afternoon. They cleaned out their lockers, shared hand-shakes and hugs and exchanged numbers for offseason communication.

Many of the players will reconvene on April 21 for the start of the Eagles' offseason program, but as always, there will be roster turnover. New faces and new personalities will be added. And the front office will be forced to make tough calls on some well-liked players currently on the team.

Asked what excites him most about the future of the Eagles, Chip Kelly said: "I think the chemistry of this team. I think how our staff and our players interact and how receptive these guys are. That was a big unknown for me not knowing what it was going to be like in the National Football League. And if you listen to some people, it's drudgery. ...The only thing that's disappointing is we're still not playing right now, because it's an exciting group to be around. There's an energy around this group of guys, and that's hopefully in Year 1 if this is what we can do, we can learn to build upon this."

The way Kelly tells it, the chemistry is no accident. The Eagles' head coach is a big measurables guy. When he meets with Howie Roseman and company this offseason to prepare for free agency and the draft, he will offer specific height/weight/speed measurements for the different positions. He'll want to look at hand size, arm length and more.

But Kelly is also interested in how the 53 pieces fit together. Some of his methods are unorthodox, and he needs players who will be on board.

"I think you have to be thorough in your evaluations, and it's not just height, weight, speed, this guy can do this from a physical standpoint," Kelly said. "There's so many different factors that ultimately impact why a person is successful and not successful. There's a lot of really good athletes out there that don't maximize their abilities because of maybe an intangible quality. What's their passion for the game? How much are they willing to learn? How much are they willing to sacrifice? Not what are they willing to give, sometimes what are they willing to give up?

"So there's a lot involved in that process, and I just feel because we're not putting together a staff, we're not putting in new systems, we can spend a little bit more time on the personnel aspect of things. And our personnel department has done a great job of us articulating what we're really, truly looking for, and then those guys going out and finding it."

In 2014, new faces will appear, but Kelly is hoping the chemistry stays in tact.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Michael Vick sounds like he's ready to move on, writes T-Mac.

Kelly gives himself a grade of 58.8 percent in his first year.

McManus catches up with Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper - two pending free agents.

Kelly won't shut the door on competition, but says Nick Foles is his guy going forward.

"I just need some security somehow, some way," says DeSean Jackson.

Setting up the offseason: Free agency, the draft, coaching changes and more.

Tim puts Foles' year in perspective.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Peter King of The MMQB on Cooper's drop from the Saints game:

I think as redemptive as this season was for Riley Cooper, his third-quarter drop on a wide-open crossing route on third down was the biggest negative play of the game for Philadelphia. The Eagles trailed 13-7 when it happened—Cooper could have raced for at least 20 yards on the play—and the Saints, on the change of possession, drove for a touchdown to make it 20-7. Though the Eagles came back, that was one possession, in retrospect, where Philadelphia gave away points.

Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com was not impressed with Foles' play vs. New Orleans:

Philadelphia quarterback Nick Foles saved one of his worst games for last. Once again, his stat line (23-for-33 passing, 195 yards through the air, 2 TD passes) looks better than he played. He struggled to pull the trigger on a number of throws and held the ball too often.

COMING UP

Let the offseason commence. We'll have plenty more from yesterday's session at the NovaCare Complex, plus some All-22 action.

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  • G_WallyHunter

    Rosenthal is one of the worst writers (if you can call them writers) on that stupid site.
    And that’s saying A LOT!

    • DirtyWaters

      “In our attitude, every sack is the quarterback’s fault,” said Kelly. “It’s not a sack if the quarterback throws the ball away. Nobody ever lost a game on an incomplete pass. Throw the ball away, and give us another opportunity to make a first down. The job of a quarterback is simple,” added Kelly. “He has to ‘let it happen’, and not ‘make it happen.’ We want to move forward. … The cardinal sin at our place is the quarterback sack. We want the ball out of the quarterback’s hands in 1.5 seconds. That does not mean holding the ball until 2.5, waiting for someone to get open.”

      I agree with Chip and Rosenthal on this one.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Thanks for that. This obviously ensures that if there’s one thing Chip will be fixing in Nicks abilities or non-abilities this offseason, its this hesitation to pull the trigger and desire to make it happen, Chip’ll rid of that

        • DirtyWaters

          You’re right, Chip will fix this. Andy would just let it go, like McNabb’s poor mechanics and low throws.

          In Chip I trust.

      • nicksaenz1

        In fairness, he seemed to have strayed away from that a little bit as the season went on. That’s just what I gathered from various quotes I’ve seen about the holding the ball and getting sacked rather than throwing it away. That said, it’s still a great point and something in need of improvement.

        • GEAGLE

          Easily correctable….and when our QB leads an offense with the most big plays while committing the least turnovers, you give a little more leeway to a kid who is still learning, and holding the ball because he wants to take shots down field…..obviously I want him to improve, and I don’t want him taking sacks that push us out of FG range, but we aren’t talking about some fatal flaw….this will naturally improve as he gets more experience at seeing what the defense is doing while improving his command of our offense,,,,,
          ..
          Say what we will about his performance, but many say his throw to Cooper(the TD) was the most impressive throw of the weekend

          • anon

            See RGMe’s stats from last year — they were crazy. That’s bc it was a new offense people hadn’t adjusted. Now that there’s 17 games on tape and people will be gunning for us when foles plays great then, you can anoint him, but now it’s a little early.

          • GEAGLE

            Where in the above post do you see any anointing? The above post only talks about a correctable issue not foreign to young QBs..

            RG3′s “NFL QB skills” are so far behind FOles it isn’t even funny….that’s why you can’t find a single archive from last year that has me swinging from RGmes nuts like the rest of these world…I knew he was tearing the league up without having developed enough pro QB skills, so I always KNEW that RG was destined for a tough sophomore season..I knew it right away, and shouted it from every mountain top for the world to hear all year long…
            ….
            FOles success come with a nice level of pro QB skills that have withstood the test of time…DC’s can watch tape of Foles this year, but I doubt that will help much since next year the kid will be two times better then the kid they are watching on tape….haven’t been wrong about the kid yet! no matter how many “analysts” tried to tell me otherwise, And I do not plan to start being wrong about him now…
            ….
            You aren’t talkng to someone who bought the RG3 hype and is actually surprised to see him fall

          • Andy124

            It’s a joke how some are constantly inventing new tests for Nick to pass, new hoops to jump through, new goalposts to clear in order to prove that he’s the man.

            The one that I do feel is legitimate is the test of time. An offseason can indeed make a difference. Not that I think it’s likely, but I fully acknowledge the possibility. For me, with the way he’s played, I think the most logical way to view that test is to assume he’ll pass that until proven otherwise.

          • nicksaenz1

            Foles’ most impressive throw, or of all QBs? And in fairness, the sack was awful, no argument, but 48yds shouldn’t be out of range for an NFL kicker. It’s sad that it is for Henery.

          • GEAGLE

            Heard a few people say that the TD to Coop might have been the best throw out of the he entire wildcard weekend

        • Andy124

          Honestly, I think it was never more than coachspeakhyperbole.

      • anon

        Simply put, grip it and rip it.

  • PhilliePhanCT .

    Rosenthal is a jabroni. He contradicts himself 2-3 times in that article. As far as chemistry with this team is concerned, I’d be more worried about diva D-Jax than anyone else. I’d love for the Birds to take a page out of the patriots playbook and sit his ass down. Although they may get no love from their players, the patriots consistently place an excellent product on the field, and not all of that is due to Tom. Rather a front office that takes no guff from its players. Take note Howie.

    • GEAGLE

      I wouldn’t worry to much about chemistry…Chip magically turned a bunch of professionals into a college TEAM, and I mean that as the ultimate compliment…who’s the star of the Eagles? CHIP KELLY, and all the pros have fallen in line..they say nothing, give no bulletin board material, never tell you how great they are….LeSean, Desean, Vick everyone fell in line, and we united like a college group…amazing to see

      • PhilliePhanCT .

        True, true…I like the fact that Kelly expects the best out of his players, not matter what their stature (small receivers??). Kelly holding McCoy accountable for off-season workouts and then docking him pay when he missed says A LOT!

      • Maggie

        “We” united?

  • GEAGLE

    People shouldn’t be allowed to talk about FOles playoff performance without reading Tom Lawlors article first….one of the best eagles posts I have read all year. Instant classic…if anyone takes the time to read it, let me know, and I would love to rehash the FOles debate

    • GEAGLE

      Tom Lawlors article is called “the future at QB”…right now it’s the second post from the top, seriously recommend checking it out

      • Tikkit

        Link?

      • nicksaenz1
        • Will

          thanks nice read…

      • Joe from Easton

        Excellent article. Compare his playoff numbers and regular season numbers to almost any QB you want IN THEIR FIRST 16 games and he matches or beats almost all of them. People expect a second year player to be Tom Brady. Tom Brady wasn’t even Tom Brady in year two.

        • GEAGLE

          Yes sir…future couldn’t be any brighter in terms of our young gun slinger

    • SoCalEaglesFan

      He writes like a fan. Can’t stand it. It’s not an article, but a message board post. An opinion piece. We all have opinions. None more valid than the next.

      If a writer wants to be taken seriously, they don’t use folksy language like “heck”. It’s 2014, not 1954.

      • mtn_green

        Don’t disrespect tommy, he puts out high quality daily content. He is not writing for a magazine he is writing for eagles fans.

      • Adam

        How is putting a players performance into context an opinion piece? Did you read the piece he was refuting? Please tell me how McLane’s piece is any more or less of an opinion than Lawlor’s.

      • guest

        Bad move criticizing him. Its not just opinions. When he offers opinions, he makes it clear thats what they are. But he watches a ton of film, and does a ton of research.

        • Adam

          This guy is a Phil Sheridan fan. Nuff said.

      • theycallmerob

        that’s the point; it’s a blog. If you want news, enjoy the great reads at philly.com
        personally, I’d take Tommy over those hacks any day.

      • Philip Soloninka

        Tom’s opinion is infinitely more valid than yours.

  • cliff henny

    as much as foles has develope over last 12 months, am pretty excited to see this guy in september after Hals has 8 months to work on his physicals and kelly gets the mental side. have a feeling next time we see foles under center, he’s going to look like a seasoned nfl qb and defenses are going to be in serious trouble. hope Mac comes back healthy, sign/draft true slot rec, expect ertz to make 2nd yr jump and and foles will look like steve nash in pads. teams that think m2m press w/ safety in box will work next year are in for a rude awakening.

    • nicksaenz1

      I have a fever, and the only prescription, is more Benjamin

      • cliff henny

        eagles just need to find another 2nd, take benjamin in 1st, landry and joyner in 2nd, 3rd will be some olb like sams jeffcoat barrow or attaochu, but who cares, that offense will be throwing up 40′s and 50′s.

        • nicksaenz1

          I’m not as hellbent on the OLB in the early rounds as before with Trent and Graham likely going nowhere because of dead money. I like the idea of a 3rd or 4th round pick and developing him for depth purposes. Would love if Joyner fell to the 2nd. Where’s Loston slotted?

          • cliff henny

            he was end of 1st, early 2nd to begin yr, has fallen to 4th. him and hubbard out of ‘bama were 2 guys i watched, and they fell hard. if i’m taking lsu guy in 4th, it’s barrow, he can play inside or out. probably good i’m not a gm, i’d only draft SEC and fl/sc acc teams.

          • nicksaenz1

            Wow, he fell pretty far. Didn’t watch much of him, the little I did he looked good. Why the fall?

          • cliff henny

            not 100% sure, he just didnt play as well this year, or, mostly just wasnt around ball as much. did lose eric reid next to him. he’s more of a los safety, and had him playing centerfield little more. why safeties are so hard to scout, just cant tell how much it’s player and how much it’s scheme he’s being asked to play.

          • theycallmerob

            …did someone say barrow? haha, mornin’. whiskey in the coffee today, let’s talk some prospects!

          • Token

            If they dont get a pass rusher, next season is going to be a disappointment. You cant get to where we want to go with the pass rush we had this year. It was really bad, especially when it counted the most.

          • nicksaenz1

            I don’t disagree, but the pass rush is always hurt when we can’t use our corners to consistently play press because our safeties are liabilities to provide backup.

          • Token

            Pass rush helps the secondary. Doesnt work nearly as often the other way. You gotta get after the passer. If you cant you will have a tough time. Maybe the reason we struggled against the better teams we played.

          • nicksaenz1

            Playing press disrupts timing and gets the QB off-rhythm, and if the corner gets beat, you need to trust your safety to help out, something we couldn’t do often. It works both ways.

          • Andy124

            You can consider my hell fully bent. MOAR OLB!

          • cliff henny

            if they cant get mack, i’d just assume they wait. dont see huge difference between vannoy and jeffcoat or attaochu (seen them as 1sts too, but someone has to drop, seen about 100 players as 1sts…101, geagle has moses who’s 3rd/4th everywhere else).

          • Andy124

            My hell is so bent it makes S,W,M,Z,C, and O look like |, |, |, |, | and |.

          • guest

            They might be able to trade Graham. The point of getting an OLB in this year’s draft isn’t for him to necessarily start this year, but to take over for Cole after next year. Lets get him in here this year and have him learn, so he’s ready.

            Poor teams draft starters. Good teams develop starters.

  • GEAGLE

    am I the only person aware that there was an epic BCS championship game last night? ….college rules are so dumb, why in the world does Winston have to go back to college after accomplishing EVERYTHING?

    • cliff henny

      hope chippah finds time to pick gus malzahn’s brain this winter. the short huddles, coming in from sidelines with plays called and speed he got his boys to play at was awesome. how many times did auburn snap the ball and FSU was not set on defense but also had 2 or 3 guys with back to LOS? NFL, that’s 6.
      .
      JW is good, like to see him next yr when he doesnt have 3 nfl lineman and 3 wrs. probably wont happen, sure the 2′s down there are nfl type talent also.

      • GEAGLE

        Jimbos faked punt took a lot of balls

      • anon

        Yeah there were a lot of times during the Nola game where Nola wasn’t set and i felt like we waited for them. Especially in the redzone i’m using that one word play class and snapping asap.

        • cliff henny

          love to know how much of kelly’s offense we saw. not only play wise, but speed. we never saw the top end speed he deployed at oregon.

          • GEAGLE

            20% of his offense would be my guess

          • anon

            he said he chilled w/ speed b.c defenses were adjusting. so more varied tempo. we saw peyton call tos when the speed was getting to his line. i think kelly will work on the slow game and the fast game.

        • nicksaenz1

          Did we have to wait because of the refs? I think the rules are set up differently with having to wait so much longer for the refs in the NFL.

          • anon

            You’re right, that may be part of it, i think you do have to wait for the refs to get in position.

          • cliff henny

            dont think so. auburn did it with huddling near line, zips wrs out early, oline quick set and snapped. i liked that just as much. malzahn is pretty innovated.

  • anon

    Fresh from roto T. Cole grades out as the no. 2 run stopping OLB and still had 8 sacks while learning a whole new position. I criticized him for being invisible against Nola, which he was, but he’s had a great season — please keep him!

    • GEAGLE

      Dead money says we really don’t have a choice…he will be here next year, but I suspect it will be his last year

      • Token

        You only save $1.6 mil by waiting til next year to cut him. His contract screws you any way you slice it. Just get it over with, cut him now.

        • Will

          agree…the sharpest knife cuts the quickest…

    • Will

      Trent Cole was a no show against NO, sad all the smack he talked about the rookie, new car smell ect…Looked like the rookie did it with little help …We need an OLB….

      • anon

        I think they keep him acquire a LB and he plays behind and if he plays better that’s great.

        Anyone know if Curry still plays at all?

        • Will

          http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/vinny-curry/

          Looks like Vinny stays an Eagle for a while…

        • theycallmerob

          you mean, as a LB? heck no, they spent all year putting weight on him and teaching him to 2gap. Azz knows him better than anyone. If he stays on this team, it’ll be as DE

    • Token

      He was invisible the majority of the season. Dont be fooled. You saw it with your own eyes.

      Pass rush is probably a bigger need than even safety.

      The Eagles faced the MOST passes in the league, yet were 2nd to last in sacks.

      Cole overall was dreadful. You need a guy who can beat a one on one matchup without Davis having to scheme for every sack.

      Cole was a great Eagle for quite awhile. But hes toast.

  • Uncle Wonder

    Chemistry is definitely a major consideration when it comes to personnel moves. Our 2011 and 2012 seasons are testaments to that. You can buy all the talent you want but…

    • GEAGLE

      I’ll finish your statement: But….without chemistry, you are just going to become the Washington redskins

      • Uncle Wonder

        Perfect example…under Snyder they have been known to throw mismatched pieces together to win the preseason championship. Same could be said for our 2011-12 teams. Nnamdi eating lunch in his car, anyone?

        • GEAGLE

          NNamdi the anti Cary Williams…

          It finally mustered up the courage to watch the game tape…Bradley Fletcher had a really bad game…Cary shouldn’t have let up that TD to the short dude(can’t think of his name). Instead of waiting for him in hey he ENDZONE, Cary Should have attacked and tried to stop him at the 5…who knows, maybe we hold them to a FG
          ..
          Roc Carmichael was really bad. kicked the ball into the back of the ENDZONE On a team that got two safeties this year when having opponents backed up…Roc and Colt lost contain on that last return to forced Cary to horse Collar

          Chung was better then usual, but a few crucial errors from him came at the worst moments, letting Meachem get over the top with Bradley blowing coverage and not being able to double Meachem in time..

          Kelce got beat by Meechem too many time..Herremans and Lane were screwing up blocking assignments! FOles needed some time to get going..hard to crucify him when Brees went thru the same thing if not worse..

          Basically. No one can be blamed for the saints loss, because in reality all 3 phases of the game had a part in that Loss….hopefully the loss won’t be in vain and we learn from it

          • anon

            ST needs another revamp. Looked so good pre-season but kick coverage was shoddy all year. Sometimes great with Boykin as the gunner but other times it was terrible.

          • GEAGLE

            Getting Jason Phillips back should help…curious to see if we bring Colt back…I will cry if Donnie Jones isn’t signed…hopefully we find someone that can boom kickoff out the back of the endzone

          • Will

            A New Kicker is a MUST along with Safeties, OLB and NT maybe a CB for depth…for the Defense…

          • Will

            Just a bad game the team was uptight and hesitant…This was a game we needed to jump out in front and play relaxed….poor execution plagued us the whole game across the board…got the feeling the team was trying not to make mistakes instead of just playing football…

          • GEAGLE

            YES, all true….but there was also a lot to really get excited about…NO ONE has been able to do to Jimmy Graham what we did, and we did it with safeties we know aren’t good enough and that will be upgraded….Much props to Billy, but even tho players made mistakes they still have to get props for executing that plan….To know that our flawed defense that we can count on the front office to improve! could rattle Brees, eliminate one of the best weapons in there NFL AND make Colston a non issue….and we did it without getting a ton of pressure…that frigging impressive, and it’s comforting to know we have that in the bank and we are capable of taking stars out of a playoff game

            And your young QB battling thru a tough game to give you the lead down 13, is impressive…Does anyone actually to thinkI they woulda stopped FOles of we got the ball back? By then the kid was grooving and we figured out the saints…the last offense with the ball was winning that game..

          • Will

            Yeah Ryan ran on us and took advantage of our poor safety play…pretty smart on his part….Just wish Foles would of ripped it into tight coverage instead of not trying any ways always next year…

          • GEAGLE

            They gameplan was brilliant…Andy Reid could have NEVER gone away from what he does and be Discaplined to stick to a drastically different then usual gameplan like the saints did..It really was brilliant coaching by Sean Peyton! probably one of his most impressive coaching jobs ever in my eyes and that says a lot When talking about a hall of famer…

            They knew we didn’t have the personel to play them straight and shut their offense down, and that we had to scheme to take certain things away of we would get massacred by Graham and Colston….they had us in Nickle all game, and just ran it down our throat…committing to it in a crucial game while it’s not paying dividends Initially is what’s really impressive..Reid could NEVER drastically get away from what he does so that he can take advantage of the oppositions weakness.

            Our Safeties always kill us in the pass game, this time they got us killed in the run game…if you are going to shut down a teams run game with your Nickle defense, you BETTER have Safeties that can come up and lay the SMACKDOWN..we didn’t, they knew it…and pounded us..

            Just look at Jimmy Graham’s snap count, it’s like his lowest ever..they had him on the he sideline so they could put blocking TEs in the game…ho many coach shave benched NFL stars for the good of a matchup? impressive jobi by Peyton

          • Uncle Wonder

            no disagreement…but the saints didnt hv a great offensive game either…our D was pretty good…our O was pretty good…but not good enough to win. Too many mental mistakes in the end. i was generally disappointed in our tackling though…and the D line got BLOWN off the line on every one of Brees sneaks

          • GEAGLE

            Totally agree,,,we didn’t tackle as well as we have been. And our Dline didn’t bring iT…but it was a team loss. The coaches, the offense,defense and special teams all contributed in the loss

          • Michael Winter Cho

            I don’t know, G… an argument could be made that Payton hamstrung the strength of his team and made the game unnecessarily close. Brees plays like Brees and Graham plays like Graham and you can put another 10-14 points in the bank. (woulda coulda, but still…)

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t see how that argument can be made when Brees was playing like crap in the first half. we are nitpicking FOles first half but he still played better then the hall of famer…some of Brees throws were horrible, and if our offense woulda capitalized and made them pay for Brees INTs, it could have been a much different game. Ultimately offense didn’t capitalize and it took them too long to get going

          • Michael Winter Cho

            Sure, but maybe Brees threw poorly because Payton was taking him out of his game and never let him get started.

          • Uncle Wonder

            it’s a bend dont break philosophy, just like we have had for years. the D will always give up plays in lieu of being beaten over the top…and we didnt get beaten over the top, so in that regard, i think the secondary played well enough to win. it was more the front 7 that let us down, imo…no pash rush, couldnt stop the run, kept swiping at the ball instead of wrapping up and tackling…not getting off the field on 3rd and long plagued us all year.

          • GEAGLE

            See my post below that stars with “the gameplan was brilliant”…and respond under that one if you disagree

          • EaglePete

            Per bend but dont break, I think this is evident for even some of the best teams. The way the new breed of NFL offense is, teams all get huge chunks of yards it seems like in every game. Almost like the days of dominating defenses is almost over minus Seattle. In that regard a bend but dont break D will win games these days.

  • Will

    Well I hope Saint Nick in the off season works on getting the ball out in 3 seconds or less…hopefully they add some better targets to the roster…

    • anon

      learns the intentional grounding rules.

      • Will

        that 2 good point…all things considered Foles did have a hell’va dam nice season at QB…

    • Rahkem

      yeah i kind of want some weapons . cooper is cool but a guy who can seperate a little better would be welcome. I would love a Riley Cooper , Desean Jackson , Jordan Matthews combo.

  • anon

    Cary Williams’ guaranteed money isn’t guaranteed until 5 days into the league year, so he can be cut without dead money. However i think he played pretty well this year. Had one key play in most games, very few PIs. Not a great game against nola, but he’s got intangibles as well.

    • cliff henny

      not how dead money works. guarenteed money saves lurie’s pocket, but if it’s dead, it’s being held against cap. c-wills was a 2 yr contract, just like barwins.

      • GEAGLE

        Cutting Cary? Am I being PUNKED? Are Yous purposely trying to screw with me before my morning coffee?

        • cliff henny

          i’m cutting celek and avant too..picked the wrong day to switch to sanka

          • GEAGLE

            Lol grrrrrrr
            Celek and Avant will be back. Not An oppinion of WHAT I would do, but what I expect CHIP to do….you know if it were up to me, I woulda cut Celek 15 times already..
            ..,
            AVANT is going to have to take a pay cut..and if you want to spend a high draft pick on a WR, you should hope and pray that Avant gets a year to mentor him..I don’t expect this to be an issue, Avant has little leverage…you don’t consider taking a pay cut, when someone else would be willing to pay you that money, but NO team would want to honor Avant’s current contract so he has no choice really but to restructure…I’m expecting both Avant and Celek here next year..but I suspect this year could be their last

          • anon

            Think Celek is one of Chips favorite players; Ertz and Casey combined. Agree that Avant should stay and basically be a WRs coach. There’s definitely room for him at the bottom of the roster after we get rid of DJ2.

          • Will

            Celek stays….His blocking on a lot of successful plays goes unnoticed but Celek is an important cog in this offense…not sure why people are so down on him? Not bad, stats put him at 13th overall for TE’s…50 targets with 32 catches not stellar at 63% yet not dreadful either….just 1 fumble this season and durable hasn’t missed a lot of games due to injury…

            http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/TE

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly, worry about replacing Damaris and Maehl before you talk to me about replacing Avant, Cooper or Maclin..

            Chip loves all 3 of our TEs, they might have to restructure, but i expect all 3 here ATleast one more year..I’m expecting 2 rookie pass catchers..I would prefer two WRs if we are going to keep Avant, but I wouldn’t rule out 1WR and 1TE with Chip Carying 4TE’s

            But if we do draft a TE, I doubt it would be an Ertz type who is basically a Jimmy Graham type of big WR…a TE we would draft would have to be Celeks eventual replacement so he would be a solid blocker and pass catcher!!!Austin Sefarian Jenkins comes to mind. I’m really hoping Hernandez has scared teams away from taking troubled TE’s so we have no competitor for Colt Lyeria and can just sign him as an Undrafted free agent. Teams might fear his “problems” but of one coach can take a flier on that problem child is the coach who recruited him to Oregon…had Colt not been kicked off the team I would probably want to draft him in round two???Weapon in the pass game while also being a Bruising blocker

            FOles throws pillows, combine that with coaching and all of the sudden our players “stone hands” disappeared..Not only is Celek playing like a warrior and blocking his ass off, but he is no longer a liability in the pass game that has passes clanking off his hands..fans look at age! and contracts and question the futures of guys like Celek, Casey!Cary,Brad,Jason peters! Demeco….but I seriously believe that THIS OFFSEASON, if you asked Chip about replacing one of those guys he would either A) laugh at you, or B) Think you are crazy, turn and run away from you as fast as he can lol
            ….
            Like Avant for WRs, I wouldn’t mind bringing Lyeria into a team with veterans like Celek and Casey at his position

          • cliff henny

            yeah, i’d at least ask avant celek and casey to take a haircut. extend peters jax and ryans so they open cap space also. peters making pro-bowl might be issue there, 10m is the going rate for those guys, but i’d ask. amazing what 10-6 does to outlook on players. 6 months ago was whacking all them, going crazy in free agency, packaging draft picks for qb. good i find no shame in flip flopping

    • Will

      I liked Cary Williams for a lot of reasons hope he stays an Eagle…

    • Token

      Cut him.

      • Will

        really? I like Cary’s edge…great for the Defenses attitude…

      • cliff henny

        love to see you field a team with all your cutting and ‘this guy sucks’.

        • Token

          lol. It would be tough. Start Boykin. Find a new slot guy. Upgraded the position.

          • cliff henny

            get that joyner cat out of fsu. davis would love him. play safety olb and slot. really hope eagles can find another 2nd, he’s honeybadger without the craziness.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m with you but how the hell do we get that extra second? I want one so bad, I just don’t see How we can go about procuring one

          • cliff henny

            graham trade, atlanta? guess trade back in 1st, package new pick with 2nd 5th. joyner is listed as late 2nd. means he can go anywhere from 20-80.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude if we can get a second for Graham, I’ll drive him to his new team…Seattles second round pick is basically an early 3rd..wonder what Pete Carroll thinks about Graham since they basically collect I corners and DE’s in Seattle

          • cliff henny

            http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/dv110.pdf
            .
            byrd’s already filled one out, do we need to warn graham too.

          • GEAGLE

            For Graham? Hell NO!! But if Rihanna don’t leave Kendricks alone, I can see a cat fight erupting between me and her …I’ll scratch that hussies eyes out!

          • Token

            I feel like the first domino is signing Byrd. But, sounds like the Bills may franchise him again. I thought you couldnt keep franchising a guy?

            Cut Cary. Start Boykin and Fletch. Find another corner.

            Havent gotten into draft stuff yet. Hoping a legit pass rusher is available at our pick, I realize thats asking alot. If Orakpo gets to market, I think they should take a peek.

          • cliff henny

            byrd just wants soooo much money. think clemmons might be the guy, no particular reason except money.
            .
            zero interest in orakpo, never seems healthy.
            .
            cary is fustrating, but something about the guy makes it work.

          • Token

            I think Carys attitude just makes people overlook his actual play. Hes had a couple good games for sure. But the overall picture isnt all that good.

            Dont care how much Byrd wants. Ward is staying in Cleveland likely. And hes not the coverage guy Byrd is. Nobody else is worth signing IMO.

            I thought Orakpo really came back strong this year. But I get the worry about injury. Hes a player tho at a big position of need,

          • nicksaenz1

            Cary would be better if he were allowed to play press more, but that whole lack of a safety with coverage ability issue prevents that from happening as much as it should.

          • nicksaenz1

            Could Huls help with Orakpo’s injuries?

          • cliff henny

            shoulders are atough injury. sports science seems to help with soft tissue and really just made guys inbetter shape. alot of injuries occur when players get tired and worn down.

          • nicksaenz1

            Didn’t know what his injuries were. Good to know.

          • theycallmerob

            and even when healthy, he’s no stud. The last thing I want is some bad juju from Snyder’s team in our lockerroom. And all that aside, not worth the money he’ll get. NEXT

          • GEAGLE

            Rob,I think you sold me..I’m reached the point where I want Byrd/Whitner/Clemons/Ward AND Joyner..
            ..
            Cary and Brad can get up on WRs and press all day long with Byrd,Wolff, Joyner and Boykin flying around the middle of the field…
            .,,
            Invest in Byrd and Joyner now, and you will have a secondary in place that you can win a Super Bowl with. Schematically, Billy Davis could so many different things if we added those two..heck we could even develop a heckuva Dime package which we currently don’t have, and has become rare in the NFL….Byrd is the all world safety like Berry that you NEED to be able to play Dime..and Joyner and Boykin should develop into as good Nickle and dime corners as you can find in the NFL..

            Byrd,Wolff and Joyner also provide a mean 3 safety look..

            We are a defense that wants to be versatile and confuse opponents with all types of looks..Adding those two allows us to add all sorts of exotic ish to our already versatile defense..

            Invest in those two players NOW and you will develope an Elite secondary and then all you will have to do is take 5th and 6th round fliers on outside CBs til you HIT and find eventual replacements for Cary and Brad…
            ..

          • Rahkem

            Byrd is gonna get paid but i have no problem paying him. Safety is one of the hardest positios to draft. That being said i would like us to get a guy like ahamad dixon or deone buchanon in the draft. hell even calvin pryor.

          • GEAGLE

            Buchanon should be a nice player..louisvilles hakim smith! Kansas states TY Zimmerman are other later round options

          • GEAGLE

            I want Bryd! EVERY Safety we covet will COST Big Bucks!!!

            If we have to invest Big money, rather pony up the extra money to get a guy our coach already knows…removes a lot of the gamble of bringing a guy into your locker room
            ..
            But my gut keeps saying it will be Donte whitner

          • JofreyRice

            Who cares about the money? There is no rule to say they’ve got to be 25% under the cap every year. I’m glad they manage it responsibly, and that the Eagles aren’t losing homegrown players they can’t afford, but the quality of the football product should be the primary mission of cap management–a means to an end, not the end itself.

            Orakpo’s a very good player, IMO. I doubt they let him walk, considering they aren’t in their usual cap Hades. Outside of the one year where he had a season-ender, he’s only missed 2 games due to injury. Workout nut that’s shown translation of all that athletic ability into football production.

            If it’s Clemons, I can live with it. S is one of the few positions in the NFL where players get better with age–until they fall off the cliff. I’d still like an upgrade on Williams, but I don’t know it’s feasible in the short term. Maybe draft a guy to develop.

          • cliff henny

            say my worry about byrd is he’ll really have a pink elephant contract. he’s going to get a big number. see a bunch of guys coming up to get paid, and nothing messes up a team faster than money squabbles. clemmons will cost, but might just go over better. talent wise, sounds like byrd, but looking at last off-season moves seemed like more tear 2 players. as i said in different post, not against byrd, think clemmons feels more like directins eagles will go.
            .
            orakpo wuld be nice, believ geagle brought up great point, only olb on market, he’s getting huge number. feels like olb is in draft…but, hey, i’ll go bonkers if they announce byrd and orakpo on same day.

          • anon

            Did you happen to catch the final touchdown of the BCS championship? i’ll give you the play by play. FSU at the goal line. Winston lobs it up, 6’5″ WR makes easy catch over 5″11 DB who doesn’t have a chance.

          • theycallmerob

            so we just need to draft Benjamin, so he can’t do that to us.

          • GEAGLE

            Rob you officially sold me,..see my below post

          • theycallmerob

            this this this this this

        • Will

          LMAO…

  • GEAGLE

    Just saw a mock that had eagles taking OT Moses in round 1…grrrrrr I really like the kid, but that would infuriate me

    • anon

      Yeah i’m not sure how i feel about our line. Sometimes i think it’s great, other times it’s terrible. I think there’s drawbacks of not having big body lineman, maybe we can grab some fat guys at the bottom of the draft.

      • GEAGLE

        I’m telling you right now, believe me on this one…3 Olinemen returning from injury, and a rookie who wasn’t the number 1 pick because he was RAW, playing in a new offense will be DRASTICALLY better in year two….I PROMISE YOU!!!

        And if those 5 Hogs don’t suffer any injury setbacks, and continue to build on the oh so valuable continuity they got this year, I promise they will be the best Oline in the NFL in next year…

        My honest assessments this year is that we were a top line about 70% of the time and struggled 30% of the time. Forget how good it’s supposed to look on paper, considering the circumstances and real life factors, their is so much to be optimistic about..although I’m bothered by how they played in the playoffs when it was time to dominate.

        Now the line is crucial for me, so depth could be an issue, but it’s hard for me to spend time talking about in, when we are all completely in the dark about Bamiro and Dennis Kelly! even vandervede…..For all we know those guys have been taking major strides. Bamiro has legit starting “potential”..has he already realized it? Your guess is as good as mine….Considering nthe situation Dennis was thrust into last year! he showed a lot of promising signs and I really watched him closely last year….It’s been a year since I seen them, so what the hell do I know? Are they struggling to adjust to this scheme? Have they been growing drastically like a lot of our young players as the season went on? As fans, if we DONT KNOW what we HAVE, we can’t really talk about what we NEED…If everyone has been progressing and our coaches right now have 4 OTs they are comfortable with Bamiro!Kelly!Peters and Lane! then I can assure you we won’t be drafting OTs in the first 3 rounds…especially since we already know we have a solid a swing tackle/Guard in Barbre whom we trust..

        It’s really impossible to talk about the Oline…we can complain about Kelce’s size til we are blue in the face, I can assure you the eagles won’t replace him. So what’s the point?

        • Token

          I realize everyone on the team is a ALL PRO, SUPERSTAR! But all you have to know about our backup tackles is that when Peters went out it was Barbre that took over.

          • GEAGLE

            Barbe a veteran took over instead of a 5th round sophomore and a raw rookie from bumble F whenever? And….?
            ..
            Wtf do you and I know about Bamiro or Kelly? You can take your silly shots but you sound dumb talking to someone who if we are honest, got more right about what we had then ANYONE else who you can point to…I also believe we need to upgrade PLENTY positions so I’m not rally sure why you would be talking S**t for no reason…I just prefer to spend MY time discussing What WE KNOW for a fact needs to be upgraded, instead of spending my time talking about something I have No Intel on…that’s what foolish BLOW HARDS DO,…sorry, but I prefer to defer! or wait to pass judgment and you will NEVER get ME to talk about something I have NO INTEL on…But to each his own silly boy
            ..,
            Hi hater lol

          • Token

            Im NOT gonna READ that! PLEASE tell me how KELLY is the NEXT GREAT tackle in EAGLES history! ALL PRO! PRO BOWL! MORE caps lock! MORE exclamations!

          • GEAGLE

            That’s exactly what I said??? You got it…let’s fit them for their hall of fame jacket…you can continue being a blow hard talking about what you have no intel on, but that’s not for me mate….I’m sure you had similar thoughts about Naje Goode and Barbre before they were ever thrust into action…

            And when it comes to OTs, I will ALWAYS trust MY eyes, and the oppinion of Tre Thomas way before yours or anyone else’s….listening to fools like you we woulda thought we were getting a bum in Barwin, you clueless troll :)

          • Token

            WHERE are the CAPS!?

          • Will

            Isn’t Kelly fighting back issues not a good sign another Shaun Andrews?

          • cliff henny

            seeing how o-line missed like 10 snaps, he could be perfectly healthy and we’d never know. thought kelly played well at end of last season, considering he was playing next to street free agent 4th stringer.

          • Will

            wasn’t sure thanks good point…

          • theycallmerob

            so now anytime someone has a back issue they’re a Shaun Andrews? Does that make Wolff the next Kenny Philips? How about just a little less overreaction?

          • Andy124

            kumbaya b!tches. :)

          • GEAGLE

            Unsolicited shot fired..so shot returned..No biggie “mofo threw two at me, I threw 4 back”-j hova lol

          • Adam

            I’ve heard Bamiro is progressing but still has a ways to go. Kelly was supposed to be healthy by week 6 but was inactive most if not all of the year so it doesn’t really bode well for him.

            A guy the Eagles are high on is actually Matt Tobin.

          • theycallmerob

            To be fair, Kelly was hurt a good portion of the year. And I imagine he’d be more likely to come in on the right side than left anyway.

            If the plan is to eventually move LJ over, I’m guessing they’ll see what they have in Kelly and Bamiro this year before making a move in the draft. Of course, any OL drafted before rd. 3 would probably show their hand in terms of how they feel.

      • Will

        LMAO…that’s what I’m most curious about is how Chip continues to shape this roster for next year…

    • cliff henny

      mostly cause he’s a 3rd/4th everywhere. by the time may 8th rolls around, about 150 guys will be tagged 1st rounders in some mock. you know some clown had poyer in 2nd.

      • GEAGLE

        I expect him to be viewed similarly to how Terron Armstead was viewed by the time the process unfolds…

        • Will

          Armstead owed Trent Cole in play off game….really impressive on his part and with out help….we need an OLB so bad…

          • GEAGLE

            Yes he did…but the kid always had potential…I have heard from someone reliable that if Miami never stole Dion Jordan from us and we didn’t get Lane. Armstead would have been high on our wish list….obviously I prefer cOle not be dominated by anyone lol

          • Will

            Who are the top OLB in FA and the Draft?

          • GEAGLE

            FA sucks for OLB this year…basically just Orakpo

          • Will

            Isn’t Orakpo injury prone? What about the college ranks any one stand out in your mind?

          • Token

            Serious injury last year. But I thought that was really it. I could be wrong tho.

          • Will

            I wonder if he wants out of Washington after this year…they were awful as a team…

          • GEAGLE

            Yes, although he had a better year on that train wreck defense then people think…dunno how we view him,and I suspect we want to get young at that position with veteran Barwin on the other side…and the draft is loaded with pass rushers,..

            I believe he did finish with 10 sacks, I have to double check tho..

            Although with our sports science and injury prevention methods, who knows…I wouldnt absolutely rule him out, but I’m not expecting to sign him either…I guess their is a tiny chance that Chip could look at it like, stack the defense with a pass rusher and a safety in free agency so he can stock up on offense in the draft….but the ONLY potential pass rush solution For us is FA is Orakpo, and when a guy has no competition at his position on the market, he tends to get MEGA PAID..see Kruger!Dashon Goldson, Mike Wallace contracts from last free agency

          • Will

            Thanks for the insight as usual ….could talk Eagles all Day but gotta go……….

          • GEAGLE

            Cheers

          • GEAGLE

            His issues were shoulder problems, not legs, if I remember right

          • Rahkem

            Trent Murphy is productive but not an explosive athlete. Reminds me of kruger. Morgan Breslin is the guy i would target he has the atheleticism and moves to be an elite pass rusher he just got injured this year and only played like 5 games but still had 4.5 sacks. He probably wouldve been a 1st rounder if healthy. We can maybe get him in the 2nd or even 3rd

    • theycallmerob

      WTF? he’s not going in the 1st. but we sure as hell are getting him! I’ve started mailing those creepy cut-out-from-magazine letters to Howie:
      “DrAfT MoSeS oR ELsE- gOd”

      • cliff henny

        http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/dv110.pdf
        .
        geagle has his for byrd, i’ve filled mine out for landry,

        • GEAGLE

          ATleast your man crushes are new,..I been sending those creepy letters for Byrd now for years!!!..what good is a stalker if he is not persistent?

          • cliff henny

            birds 24/7, where stalking is encouraged

          • theycallmerob

            anything less is socialism

        • theycallmerob

          obliged. but I’m not doing anything voluntary, they’ll have to threaten me with jail time first. And even then, if it’s meatloaf day….

          • cliff henny

            joyner benjamin barrow are also fairly warned. and in 7th, if lyoria is still on board, be begging for that cokehead. he’ll hate philly, it’s been stepped on 500 times. now, if he gets drafted by dolphins or chargers, might as well schedule funeral for day after draft.

          • GEAGLE

            HA!!! I will check into rehab with Lyeria myself if we need someone to baby sit him…I’m a team player!

          • cliff henny

            if kendricks spends off-season with rhianna, he’ll need a bed there too, and also ron mexico’s doctor’s number

          • GEAGLE

            Rihanna will have to kill me if she wants to get to my beloved young star LB!!!! That’s my dude..I waited over a decade for a LB like him

          • nicksaenz1

            There’s so many things I want to say to respond to a number of these posts but can’t because I’m on the work comp. Damnit! However, I hope he takes Rihanna on a one way trip to poundtown since I’ll never be able to.

          • cliff henny

            dont worry, your’s for benjamin was filled out weeks ago.

          • theycallmerob

            hahaha, someone on “700 level” summed it up best:
            “if she dates someone on the Eagles defense, at least she doesn’t have to worry about being hit”

          • cliff henny

            haha, classic. idk, she better hope chung is sent packing

          • theycallmerob

            nice new avatar pic, btw

          • cliff henny

            thnx. man, i miss my boy! he was a machine

          • guest

            Chung will try to hit her, but miss and hit whichever teammate is closest.

          • nicksaenz1

            That. Is. GOLD!

          • theycallmerob

            ….never going back…

          • GEAGLE

            That really made me laugh!! Well played

          • Will

            LMAO….

          • guest

            I love that you commented on the quality of the coke in philly in your argument. These days though, its been stepped on so many times no matter where you are.

          • cliff henny

            man, i lived out in LA…and, ummm…one of the reason i’m living in myrtle now.

          • theycallmerob

            …switched to meth?

          • cliff henny

            brother, i shut the party train down. this summer i actually got a buzz off of miller 64′s. you wanna talk about running wide open, lived 5 yrs in LA, never worked a day, and if you asked me what month it was, i could give a guess based on sport on tv, date, not a chance in heck, lol.

          • theycallmerob

            ha, I got it out of my system during my travels overseas. slightly concerned I’ll run into some offspring in 20-30 years I never knew about in some craphole town in Egypt or Peru…..

          • cliff henny

            better than getting letter in mail asking for 10-12 years of back child supprt for a kid you never laid eyes on

      • GEAGLE

        I actually like the kid..but Not if it costs a first round pick..

      • Richard Colton

        I obsessively follow anything Eagles Draft related and I will say unequivocally that NOBODY bought up Moses to the Eagles before Rob.

  • Rahkem

    The more i think about it the more i see chip kelly going offense early again. Jordan Matthews or Mike Evans wouldnt be bad picks in the first as i dont think theres a 1st round safety other the Clinton-Dix and he will be long gone most likely. I really believe we only keep one guy , and honestly i thin its riley. I like riley more as the 3rd best reciever and rememebr he wouldnt neccasarily be the slot guy since alot of the time desean moves around in 3 reciever sets. I know we all want defense but i feel like we’ll have a good chance to get a corner or safety in the 2nd and 3rd. It seems like one of these big recievers is gonna fall to us. If we could get a big reciever in the 1st and a pass rusher like morgan breslin or safety like deone buchanon later i wouldnt be mad.

    • JofreyRice

      I think re-signing Riley or Maclin and adding another big receiver could present some pretty interesting looks, with Jackson in the slot. I like Matthews, too. I feel like he’s lost in the shuffle, being that he’s playing on the weak sister of the SEC, but the guy is ultra consistent. He wouldn’t have done the things Evans did, because he’s not quite as physical, but I wonder what his draft stock would have been had he been paired up with John Manziel.

      Looking at PFF’s numbers, Jackson ran more routes from the slot than I would have imagined: 144 in total, out of 544 routes, or about 25%. He was 3rd in the league in yards per route run–ahead of TY Hilton and Calvin Johnson–and obviously is a huge problem for any nickel cornerback.

      If there is an edge rusher that might take a year to develop behind Cole, or a big, physical WR that could step in and contribute right away…I’d have a hard time deciding. I know this team needs passrush, but it’s harder to project 3-4 OLBs to the Pros than WRs, and I don’t think you’re getting a slamdunk edge terror at #22. From the comments they made last spring, it seems they want to give this team a very defined identity as an offensive juggernaut. It will be interesting.

      • Rahkem

        Yeah i think unless they run extremely well at the combine either evans or matthews will be there when we pick.. I expect both guys to run 4.5 Evans may even run 4.6 but as we saw with kennan allen last year running 4.7 and still being by far the best rookie reciever. Its not a major concern. Pass rush needs to be adressed but i think we could get someone with a nice skillset in later rounds , i mentioned morgan breslin but guys like kyle van noy and auburns Dee Ford intrigue me as well.

        There is a chance Vic Beasley or someone else slides to 22 , being as this class is close after the first 3 guys. Guys like Kony Ealy could be picked over beasley based on scheme allowing him to slide to us or within striking distance for a trade.

        Overall i think this offense could use some more firepower , Denver showed this year that you can never have too many weapons. A guy like evans or matthews could result in a few less 3 and outs ,, we need to move the ball even when we dont score at least get 1 or 2 first downs to help our defense with field position. Theyve shown that if given a long field they can force mistakes.

        • GEAGLE

          Starting to think Kony won’t get passed the titans,Giants or cowboys….I think guys like Beasly,Morphy and Van Noy (think the love child of Vrabel and Barwin) will be on the board when we pick..

          Beasly doesn’t his the size and length requirements For Chip, but he is explosive quick and has a nice bullrush…if he develops moves he could be nasty…the only reason I don’t completely rule out Beasly is because with Trent and Graham we can afford to sit Vic and let him gain weight…I’m really up and down with Vic..sometimes I love him! other times I hate him..

          Murphy has the size, strength, nice moves….but we have to find out if he has the explosion at the combine….Is he explosive enough or just another Bjorn Werner is what remains to be seen. Combine is crucial for him..

          Van Noy isn’t the answer at pass rusher, although h does bring some to the table…why I like him is that Barwin,Kendricks and Van Noy can grow into an upper echelon core of LBs in coverage..more LBs we get who can cover, the more we can afford to send Kendrick and Barwin after QBs…if Drafted I would have van Noy back up Barwin for a few years at OLB, and when Demeco is gone in two or three years, slide van Noy next to Kendrick and have him take over at ILB..he brings the size that Meco brings, is physical, but a notch or two better then Meco in of overage, even if I think Meco is under rated in that to aspect…

          Ultimately, picking 22 in THIS draft class, it’s going to come down to OLB, WR…with DT and CB possibly being the best player on the board….
          ..
          I will be surprised if when we pick at 22, the best player on the top of our board isn’t an OLB,WR,DT.CB or TE…that’s just the way the end of the first round of this draft unfolds…CB to me seems like the most unlikely, but I could see it as a possibility if nTHEY think OKlahoma states Justin Gilbert or TCU’s Jason Verrett are too special to pass up…mocking Oregons OLOMU to us is just lazy

          • Rahkem

            yeah i hate the oregon connection thing guys do with the mocks. I think your right its almost certain to be a WR or OLB just based on how the draft looks now at this moment. I wouldnt be mad at verrett i think hes the best pure cover guy in the draft but hes an average athlete for the position and MAY only be 5’9 , ill be interested to see what his exact height and wingspan is along with his 40 time. For him that’ll probably be the difference between late first round and early to mid 2nd round

        • JofreyRice

          I like the way Michael Sam, of Mizzou, plays. I’ve seen the comparison to Elvis Dumervil, and I think there could be some truth to that.

          Cole’s here no matter what. Graham, too, probably. I wouldn’t mind taking a shot on Sam, or another guy that might fall because of some issue.

      • Tom W

        I just took a look at all the underclass wrs coming out early plus the seniors … its gotta be one of the deepest wrs classes in a long time … some nice talent is going to fall to the second and thirds round at that position.

        Its like 12 deep

        • GEAGLE

          Incredible class of WRs… So much talent at that position that my brain hurts from trying to even figure out how to rank them….stylistically you have the explosive 6’4 WRs like Coleman,Benjamin!Evans…you got the 6’1 205lb types, and you have the 5’10 Burners to chose from…can’t recall too many draft classes this rich with WR talent…hard to imagine our coach not capitalizing on it, getting younger at the position and upgrading Maehl and Damaris both on offense and ST….
          ..
          We can drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out how this class of WRs shakes up, the combine should be fascinating for this position…take Fresno’s devante Adams…the kid could end up going anywhere from top 15 – to mid second round..

          • nicksaenz1

            He’s not Kelvin Benjamin. No one cares. Haha

          • GEAGLE

            Wonder what last nights game does to his stock..quiet game, but the game winning TD has to count for something

          • NickS1

            All the dude does is make big-time catches. Winston has the Heisman because of this kid. That may be a slight stretch, but he makes a ton of big catches in traffic and is Winston’s security blanket most games. If anything, hopefully his stock falls.

  • Will

    Anyone thoughts on Herremans . Does he come back?

    • nicksaenz1

      Probably.

    • Rahkem

      yes

    • GEAGLE

      I think so..we don’t factor him changing position enough with his early performances, but I think he improved enough as the year went on to be brought back, and I would expect him to improve having gotten this year of continuity under his belt..he also played next to a raw rookie which needs to be factored in…..however, if we do draft Oline, I would expect it to be someone to compete with Herremans as opposed to a OT

    • anon

      he can test the market. and so will we.

  • Marilyn Monbroe

    How do you guys feel about giving hakeem nicks a one year deal? Could be a cheap risk with huge upside.

    • Will

      NNNNNOOOoooooooooooo…

      • Marilyn Monbroe

        When he’s healthy, he’s a top wideout. Big, fast, with great hands. Didn’t look healthy this year though.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m actually praying the giants are dumb enough to pay him big money…

          Rather have Maclin back….there really aren’t too many players in our division that I would want

          • cliff henny

            if we’re going to take team caste-offs, let’s ransack SF Seattle. why pay hicks a dime, about 10 hicks in this draft. davante adams could be a 3rd rdr, or 1st. about 12-15 wrs i want. wish matt millen would take over this draft

          • GEAGLE

            My thoughts exactly…marginal upgrades are useless…continuity and chemistry is more important then marginal upgrades. Signing nicks and letting Mac walk just seems like change for the sake of change

          • Andy124

            Sean Lee because of PSU. Heck with the rest.

    • theycallmerob

      I don’t see him having any upside Maclin or Coop don’t also have.
      and again, like Orakpo, I don’t want bad NYG juju. cheaper, younger, healthier guys in draft

      • nicksaenz1

        Well, he’s more physical than Self-Tacklin’… I believe he’s bigger, too.

        • theycallmerob

          I’d imagine, coming off injury, Mac would be cheaper. I know $ isn’t big issue, but I just don’t want it. Like Orakpo, I don’t think his value will correspond to the money he gets (like a Hartline contract)

          • Will

            http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=WR&Year=2014

            There are a lot of FA WR this year…Anquan Boldin, Devin Hester, James Jones, Jerricho Cotchery, Dexter McCluster, Ted Ginn, Golden Tate, and Eric Decker to name a few….Eric Decker and Anquan Boldin have the best stats and Devin Hester and Dexter McCluster are interesting for there ST return ability…

          • EaglePete

            enh, not a lot of great names on there, Tate, Decker, maybe Edelman are intriguing. Decker for sure would be a nice fit I think but he will be 6 – 8 mil a year Id guess

          • anon

            nah i’m liking hester, ginn, mccluster

          • Andy124

            little, littler and littlest?

          • Will

            Eric Decker is 6′ 3″…

          • Andy124

            My response was to anon who listed Hester, Ginn and McCluster. Interesting names considering the big WR obsession that I think most of us have shared for the better part of a decade.

          • anon

            hester / ginn bc we need a kr/pr threat. but mccluster is my fave for running in space / playing all wr positions

          • Andy124

            Yeah, I think they’re all good players. I’ve liked McCluster since he was at Ole Miss and hated Ginn since he was as O$U. :)

            Honestly, I’m not overly interested in any offensive free agents other than our own. I like Smith returning kicks. Defensively, I’d be all for paying fair money for a safety and conitnuing to add role players where needed.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I’m with you…Break the bank open for a star safety, maybe a veteran NT since they only play part time and look for more Bradley Fletcher type role player bargains…while drafting And developing our stars.
            ….
            The only star we really need to pay for is a safety, which is why we would be silly to a not get it over with now, while there are multiple options on the market instead of like last year when Dashon Goldson had little competition so Tampa was forced to really over pay…

            Doubt Berry and Earl will hit the open market any time soon. Goldson and Weddle just got paid…basically the rest of the top Safties all hit the market this year, if you can’t sign Byrd, Whitner, Ward,Clemons then when will be your next shot at adding a proven stud at the position?

          • anon

            do we play TB next season? Lovie is going to have that team crushing people. I’d take Goldson bet we wouldn’t be getting beat by those crossing patterns all the time.

          • GEAGLE

            Heard we wanted Goldson but immediately were turned away by the price tag,..that’s a good sign. It means they were ATleast exploring signing a big money safety….we had so many holes this time last year that you understand why they were turned off by the price tag..but TODAY we have way less holes then we probably expected to have, and a ton of cap space, so this year maybe they aren’t so turned away by the price…especially when there are multiple options on the market where as last year it was just Goldson and everyone else..

          • Andy124

            when will be your next shot at adding a proven stud at the position?

            In two years when it’s time to redo Wolff’s contract. :)

          • GEAGLE

            McCluster in chips hands is intruiging,,,wouldn’t mind a solid veteran ENDZONE weapon like James Jones

          • anon

            cooper and the tes are our rz guys

          • Will

            meh…Maclin? who knows if the knee heals…Decker, Hester, Boldin, McCluster all would fit the bill and be an upgrade…

          • nicksaenz1

            Think both are looking at incentive-type deals, so if one has the potential to earn 500k or a mil more than other, no harm, so long as the production is there. My issue with the prove-it deal is I would want the continuity to be built, instead of rentals. Goes for both Mac and Nicks.

          • theycallmerob

            there’s that, too. again, I get why it makes sense to many, I just always like going young and developing. Can’t wait to see what happens with WR group, only really DJax guaranteed to come back. I just think that’s one position group Chip can really nitpick with, based on his interests.
            Remember how he made DJax learn the slot? So maybe he doesn’t really want a “slot” guy, just 3 good WRs who can play everywhere? Or have Ertz in the slot or wide? Just excited to see what happens. He’d really have to fall in love with Nicks to take him over draft kids or Mac/Coop

          • nicksaenz1

            Overall, there are entirely too many variables/wildcards at WR position. The deep class hurts ALL of the FA and I wouldn’t be shocked if we saw a fair portion of the FA class have to wait until after the draft to be brought in for looks at some/most teams. Obv, there’s always the idiot, overzealous GM looking to make his mark and is betting the house, but, I think most would/will wait it out, see how the draft affects it because this market is truly unlike most. Then again, I may way way off base here.

            EDIT: Going with the off-base part, the NE WR may make some teams jump at the FA market to fill an immediate need. So much hype around Thompkins/Dobson coming out of pre-season that didn’t materialize until Dobson started to show up here and there later in the season and Thompkins nearly fell off the face of the earth.

          • theycallmerob

            just saw this on Tommy’s blog. I’ll cut and paste 1 paragraph, sorry if it’s a bit long, but he says the same thing I said:

            So if you have Mac, Coop and DJax…who plays the slot? That would have been the obvious question in the past. The difference is that Kelly’s system doesn’t use the slot receiver in exactly the same way as the WCO.
            Remember the past when Jason Avant would catch so many short passes in heavy traffic? That wasn’t happening this year. The spread creates room.
            The slot receiver can use speed more in this system. DJax and Coop both had some slot reps this year.

            I hope the Eagles try to sign both guys. I think that would make the passing game all the more explosive.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup..I been saying that I don’t think the traditional “slot prototype” matters this offense….just wanted to take a better look at the routes are slots were asked to run to know for sure..but Desean!Avant,Maehl!Cooper!Ertz all saw time in the slot…
            ,..
            I really think Chip wants 5 WRs stylistically different from each other, who he can move around all over the place to find matchups to expose….I don’t think this offense need that prototypical Welker type. I think Chip will want to really maximize the WR position! instead of the traditional Two starting WRs a slot guy and a few other guys who sit the bench….I suspect he wants 5 WRs who he can consistently play

            Glad you copied and pasted it!

          • cliff henny

            i dont think he needs a welker type, but what this offense lacked was wr who could navigate traffic. so, when i hear slot, think of a guy like cruz. jax just isnt that type of guy, he’s searching for sidelines, which is fine, he brings plenty to field. was hopes maclin would be that guy out of college, but he made way too many business decisions. but he was a beast at mizzou taking screnes and short slants a long ways, maybe kelly can pull this back out. also, wr screnes were very limited. cooper doesnt have wiggle and jax is running thru cbs. why im jones’g for landry, or is lsu counterpart, beckham will do. mike evans is dream, but he’ll be long gone.

          • anon

            he played a fair amount of slot at various points

          • cliff henny

            yup, but think when people, or at least me, say a slot, doesnt mean where they line up (i love d-jax running clear out crossers, get to sidelines and go my man!) but a skill set of running in around and thru traffic. eagles just didnt have that guy. watch mike evans or landry catch a screne or 2 yard hitch, they break thru arm tackles, spin get extra yards. maclin did this at mizzou. maybe kelly can get it out of him. can you remember trips out wide and fake to shady witha screne and 2 blockers? not often. this is a play to kill the extra safety in box. eagles recrs just werent those guys. that’s fine, was a team in transition.

          • anon

            yeah hear you, why i like dexter. that said interesting to see what we take in the draft in 5 months

          • cliff henny

            small, but talented. like landry, pr, kor and scat recr (what do we want to call this guy?) 3 in 1. get a coleman or benjamin to be physical downfield m2m buster. lot easier to see what kelly wants after a yr.

          • theycallmerob

            at least at Oregon, it was the TAZR I believe (D’anthony Thomas was that guy)

          • cliff henny

            DAT is 5th-6th rdr, wouldnt mind seeing him taken with Pats pick. put him in ghost motion and reverses/wr hand offs, have him running all over the place. let d-jax do his thing out wide.

          • GEAGLE

            My head is spinning with these WR prospects..I can’t even decide who gets drafted I first Beckam or Landry?

            I absolutely agree we need to add two young explosive weapons at WR, I just need them TO COMPLIMENT Desean,Coop,maybe Mac instead of Replacing Coop or desean

          • cliff henny

            see that beckham one handed on sidelines catch? JC, i might just end up having draft of lsu fsu guys. bejamin, joyner, beckham, barrow, loston, fsu has about 8 jones and smith’s take a couple to round out draft.

      • Marilyn Monbroe

        I agree the draft could find a decent receiver, but it’s a crapshoot with most skill guys in college. You can’t say a healthy nicks isn’t better than maclin and cooper.

        • theycallmerob

          I mean, I would say that. I want nothing to do with him. Wasn’t he pretty healthy this year? Still stunk. Looked to give up on plays. I’d say it’s as much a crapshoot to pay him big $ and hope he stays healthy and performs.

          • nicksaenz1

            I’d give him a prove it deal, too. If memory serves me correctly, his injuries are less severe than the two blown knees that Maclin’s suffered.

            EDIT: hard to look good when your QB habitually throws it to the wrong team.

          • Will

            This is Mac’s 3rd…

          • theycallmerob

            eh.
            I get your logic. And it’s fair. That would also predicate either Mac or Coop leaving, too.
            I really just feel WR is so deep this year in the draft, and with our coaches (many coming from college last year) who know these guys may help alleviate part of that crapshoot factor. Just my take on 2 things.
            And same argument as Mac re: the prove it deal; may sound great for us, but I imagine there’s still one idiot GM out of 32 who will drive the price unreasonably high

          • nicksaenz1

            Oh, you mean like Banner…

          • theycallmerob

            maybe, I have other adjectives for him besides idiot.
            Same goes for Mac as Nicks, though; he’s produced in the past. Had an early injury, so may be fully healthy by March/April. Teams, especially those familiar like KC or CLE or NFC-E, may offer him greater #s too.

            Imagine for a sec that both Mac and Coop sign elsewhere? sure, in that case I can see a case for Nicks or another FA instead of hedging everything on young kids.
            And while we’re on the FA kick, I’d personally take an emmanuel sanders over Nicks. just my 2 pennies

          • NickS1

            Good points. And agree about Sanders. I like him as a nice security blanket. Be curious to know what Chip thinks of him.

          • anon

            Agree with that it’s pretty deep.

        • anon

          I wouldn’t underestimate player’s willingness to play for winning / innovative teams. Players will come and know they can get a bump in stats which = money. Look at Riley cooper.

        • Maggie

          Maclin has already indicated a willingness to “give up” something for the sake of his teammates.

      • Will

        Yes tried of all the medical red flag football players taking up space to be cut in the end….injury prone players need not apply….The Gaints are good they only cut guys who are washed up due to medical…Kenny Phipps comes to mind…could of had a Safety that was healthy push for the starting job…So no roster spots for guys with bad knees…

    • EaglePete

      I thought Dallas Clarke would have a resurgence at some point. I think at times, guys just never get back to past performance. Who knows really but he intrigues me. When he was good, he was that good big WR a lot of fans covet. No clue what value he holds anymore, could be worth a flyer but at the right price. I also doubt CK wants any questionable character guys and he may be one.

    • Mr. Wu

      I will take Cruz though…lol

      • Maggie

        Most important statement in Chip’s assessment of players. “What are they willing to give up?” For the sake of the team. Would Nicks give up glamorous touchdowns to stay back and block for Avant?

  • GEAGLE

    Hoping we take a flier on ravens second round bust! Cordy Glenn….not a signing I would count on, but if you can bring that guy in for a camp look, I would be excited and pray that a change of scenery gets his career back on track…Ravens already drafted his replacement in Brandon Wiliams..6’5 350lb men with second round talent just don’t grow on trees

  • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

    Foles would look GREAT in Kansas City red. Whaddya think, Dick?

    • theycallmerob

      man, sad life you live trolling someone specific on the interwebz.

    • Richard Colton

      He would be an upgrade to overall #1 draft pick Alex Smith, yes. We agree. Seriously though, it’s funny, but be honest – are you BBaaS or Van Broklin?

      • Andy124

        Oooh, fun. Let’s name all the #1 overall draft picks Nick is better than. I’ll go second. Mike Vick.

        • theycallmerob

          Jamarcus Russell! though honestly, that’s still up in the air….heard he’s on the comeback train, v3.0

          • Andy124

            Sam Bradford

          • cliff henny

            matthew stafford

          • OldDocRoss

            How dare you all fail to mention the great David Carr??

          • Andy124

            Jeff George.

          • cliff henny

            tim couch

  • anon

    eagles signed momah to a futures contract.