Setting Up the Eagles’ Offseason

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Minutes after Chip Kelly watched Shayne Graham’s 32-yard field goal split the uprights with time expiring at Lincoln Financial Field, he stood before a roomful of reporters and was asked to reflect on what his team had accomplished in his first year as the Eagles’ head coach.

“You’re probably right that it’s probably a little too soon for that,” Kelly said. “I thought we were going to be a good team when I met these guys for the first time because I know how hard they worked and how hard they wanted to invest in this. And then I watched it first-hand – them come to work every day and really invest in this whole process. It’s just disappointing right now. But I don’t think us winning the division or getting to the playoffs was a surprise to us. I just think everybody is really disappointed that we’re not moving forward.”


But that's life in the NFL. As soon as one game ends, you begin preparing for the next one. And the same can be said for seasons. Today, players will clean out their lockers at the NovaCare Complex and Kelly will talk to reporters once again. Later this month, he'll head to Mobile, Ala. for the Senior Bowl. And soon after that, the team's brain-trust will need to get a plan in place for free agency.

So while the playoffs will continue with the eight remaining teams, the Eagles are forced to look ahead. Keeping that in mind, here are some things to keep an eye on going forward.

COACHING STAFF CHANGES

I wouldn't expect a lot of movement here, but there could always be some tweaks. Kelly put together the largest coaching staff in the NFL last offseason. And a lot of what the Eagles have done - the tempo, the practices, sports science, etc. - has drawn attention league-wide. Perhaps a couple guys get plucked. Or maybe Kelly decides to add a couple new faces.

Already, a CBSSports.com report suggests the Redskins might want to talk to Pat Shurmur or QBs coach Bill Lazor.

THE DRAFT

Draft season will be even longer than usual this year with the three-day event being pushed back to May 8-10. The Senior Bowl is on Jan. 25, preceded by a week of practices. The scouting combine takes place in Indianapolis from Feb. 18-25.

The Eagles will have the 22nd pick in the first round. They have seven picks overall: one in Rounds 1-4 and 7. They have two fifth-round picks - their own selection and the Patriots' pick from the Isaac Sopoaga trade.

The last two drafts look a lot better than the ones that preceded them. Howie Roseman and company will look to keep the trend going in 2014.

FREE AGENCY

The period to sign unrestricted free agents begins on March 11. In addition to bringing new faces in, the Eagles will have to decide on who they're keeping from the current roster.

The following players are scheduled to be unrestricted free agents: Jeremy Maclin, Riley Cooper, Michael Vick, Nate Allen, Donnie Jones, Kurt Coleman, Colt Anderson and Clifton Geathers.

One of the Eagles' biggest offseason questions will be what to do at wide receiver. What will the market be like for Maclin, given that he's coming off the knee injury? And what about Cooper, given potential questions about how he'd fit into a new locker room? It seems highly unlikely that both guys are back, and it's possible that neither returns.

What happens to Vick if he has a soft market without a lot of interest? Will the Eagles be comfortable going into next season with Matt Barkley as their backup?

Those are questions that need answers.

Of the 22 players who started Saturday night's game, 16 were already on the roster prior to Kelly being hired. The Eagles' head coach seemed to genuinely like the guys in his locker room, but he'll continue to seek players who fit his vision. That might mean cutting ties or renegotiating deals with some veterans.

Specific areas of need: outside linebacker, safety, offensive line depth, defensive line depth, cornerback depth, kicker competition and potentially wide receiver.

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  • UKEagle99

    I’m still hurting from the loss. It doesn’t help that there is only 1 other guy in my office that follows the NFL and sods law he’s a Saints fan ;-(

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  • Brent E. Sulecki

    when are the futures signings?

  • Bdawk20

    Re-sign Donnie Jones!

    • arthropod

      Franchise him if you have to.

  • Tim

    One smart move would be to go after Chris Clemons from Miami. He’s a big physician safety who can play center field and would be a few million a year cheaper than the top guys like Byrd and ward.

    • Engwrite

      No question that a big physician safety ought to cure what ails the secondary. Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

    • JofreyRice

      Why not go after a stud like Byrd or Ward? Who cares about the cap space? They are like 35 million under.

  • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

    Foles had a great year but he needs to work on his movement in the pocket this off season before I’m sold on him as a longterm answer. He seems to be really good but I think a lot of his success is due to the system at this point.

    • addicted2mula

      Yes. I like how he only threw two INTs but he gave up some key sacks. We need a new kicker!

      • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

        Definitely need a new kicker or some improvement by Henery. He needs to be more consistent and kick more touchbacks. After watching Kaepernick and Rodgers play yesterday I saw how big a difference mobility and/or pocket awareness would make in Kelly’s offense.

        • addicted2mula

          Exactly. Don’t get me wrong Foles had a hell of a season but 11 yrd sacks that put your kicker in a tougher situation when we all know he some shit!! When he clearly had time to throw it away or scramble.

        • Token

          Kaep threw the game away. The Packer corner dropped it. Dunno how you could watch Kaep yesterday and come away thoroughly impressed. Strange. Goes to show that if you can run people are so wowed by it they overlook your ability to actually play QB. He was dreadful all day.

          • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

            Foles has the throwing/accuracy down. I was purely addressing QB mobility/pocket awareness in Chip Kelly’s offense and what Foles improvement in that area could bring to the table.

          • truth be told

            Also, it was said time and time again before the season started that Chip doesn’t like QB’s who turn the ball over and take sacks.

            Folesy definitely has the turnover stuff taken care of but he takes too many sacks, especially when he has time to just throw the ball away or get rid of it quicker.

          • aub32

            Rodgers fumbled the division away and got lucky that no Bears’ player jumped on the ball. No QB is perfect. Kaep played well yesterday, and used his legs when necessary. QBs have off days. The benefit about QBs who have the ability to run is that they can supplement their game when the weather is well below freezing and it’s hard to pass the ball for any QB.

    • ohitsdom

      Disagree. I think Foles’ pocket movement is one of his strengths. He doesn’t get flustered, keeps his eyes downfield while shuffling around in the pocket to the open space. Yes he gave up some key sacks, but that was more due to guys not being open and him not throwing the ball away rather than poor movement ability.

      • aub32

        Actually he couldn’t get out of the pocket due to his limited mobility. We saw two weeks in a row where he took unnecessary sacks, where he had plenty of time. We saw it in the first Dallas game as well as in MIN. He will never have the mobility of Rodgers, let alone Kaep. So he needs to continue to focus on getting the ball out quicker or just throwing it away after 5-7 seconds regardless of the rush.

        • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

          That’s the way I see it too. Quick release is his key to longevity.

        • Andy124

          But dom wasn’t talking about his ability to get out of the pocket. he was talking about Foles’ movement within the pocket, which by all accounts is a strength.

          When the pocket collapses and he has no choice but to escape to the outside, he’s never going to be good at that. Which is not a big deal. He can improve on getting rid of the ball quicker. I hope he does. We’ve seen some quarterbacks fail to improve on that. I’m sure it’s harder to do that it is to type.

          or just throwing it away after 5-7 seconds regardless of the rush.
          For example, on that 7 second sack. 6.5 seconds go by and there’s no pressure. I can understand not throwing it away because there’s no pressure. I could also understand throwing it away because it’s been a long time and no one is open. Then all the sudden it goes from no pressure to sacked before he can react. Can you imagine if he threw the ball away before there was any pressure on him? It might be a good idea anyway. I’ll trust the coaches to coach him up how to handle those situations.

          • aub32

            I see QBs throw the ball away all the time with no pressure. After so much time has past, it’s more likely something bad will happen than something good. The QBs who don’t do this, are usually guys with either the ability to run and create or power a ball into a small window. Foles is neither. That’s ok. So I would have no problem if he prematurely threw balls away. In fact, it’s one of the things I really liked that he did in Dallas. (Although next time he should not look so deliberate)

            Foles movement in the pocket has been spotty in the last few games, obviously excluding the Bears. I look forward to seeing if he improves after this offseason.

          • Andy124

            Just to reiterate, I’m not saying I’m against the idea at all. Obviously thought it was interesting enough to highlight. Just saying that there’s another view of it, and I’m content to sit back and watch which way they go with it.

          • aub32

            I just can’t see them going the other way. We saw what happened in Dallas when Foles tried to create. He just doesn’t have the athletic ability. So I can’t see how the focus is anything but tuning his internal clock to get rid of the ball.

          • #7

            He moves withing the pocket just fine. That is his strength. It’s just getting out of it. He gets trapped in there and takes bad sacks and intentional groundings

          • JofreyRice

            I know there are a few memorable examples of that happening, but the numbers don’t really support that.

          • theycallmerob

            don’t you dare bring objectivity to this table

          • JofreyRice

            It’s funny, because I have to admit, I still have reservations about Foles. It’s basically the same “eyeball test” argument. Rationally, I know he’s accomplished an incredible amount, and has to be the starter in 2014, but I have this nagging feeling that it’s all going to turn into a pumpkin.

            The numbers are pretty convincing, though. The sample size is large enough that it can’t be dismissed as an anomaly. He played really, really well in 2013, eyeballs aside.

          • theycallmerob

            I have strong feelings, too, mostly about Natalie Portman and Elizabeth Banks. But I doubt they’ll be realized.

            Of course folks have reservations. Heck, I still do. The kid needs what anyone needs to succeed- a good supporting cast, great coaching, consistency, and rep after rep after rep. But #s help clear the bias

          • aub32

            I’m with you. I just wish he had a better showing in the last two games. I don’t blame the losses solely on him, but you’d like to see your QB have at least one really good performance in the two biggest games of the season.

          • JofreyRice

            See, I actually thought he was pretty good these last two games of the season. He didn’t rack up the numbers the way he had earlier, but I thought he played well, and avoided the cardinal sin of giving the ball to the other guys. Looked very conservative at times, but took shots, too.

            It’s hard to put my finger on what makes me hesitant about going all-in on Foles. I think I realize that the feeling is irrational, but I can’t completely dismiss it.

          • theycallmerob

            at least you’re honest about it. this is where we all come to share feelings, cheaper than a shrink

          • aub32

            I thought he was decent against the cowboys but would have liked to see more. He struggled against the Saints until they lost their saftey though.

          • Richard Colton

            what’s the pumpkin? a string of concussions followed by an ignominious trade to Buffalo? man that would suck.

            I had a list of things I needed to see from Foles. By the end of the season, they had all been checked off. If it was a mirage…then the entire franchise is back to square one.

        • theycallmerob

          Getting the ball out quicker is a 2way st., need WRs to separate. Should improve next year with talent, comfort level, exp., and Chip’s tweaks

          • aub32

            I refuse to believe that no one had a chance in the 7-8 seconds he held onto the ball. I have seen fans praise him for just putting the ball into an area and giving guys a chance. Now he holds onto the ball for 7+ seconds and I’m to believe there was at no time a high percentage throw at any point during that time. You can’t have it both ways.

          • Adam

            How many times did he take 7-8 seconds and take a sack? He told the media it was a bad play on his behalf and he should have thrown it away. I’m not sure what else there is to analyze. No one is saying it was a good play.

          • aub32

            It actually happened just one week prior. It also happened in MIN. He took ownership. That’s great. He still has done it in multiple games this season. It’s something that can be fixed, but that does not mean we should all ignore it.

          • Adam

            Obviously not. He’s young and no where near flawless, just like any young QB in the league. Issues like this aren’t great, but compared to most young QB’s who turn the ball over regularly, it’s not the worst problem to have. It can be fixed and will be emphasized in the off season.

            Think of the situation Foles was in this season. All off season learning the system. Most of the season getting used to the starters. Consdering his 29-2 TD ratio, I’m not ready to hang him for a few sacks he took too long to throw away. Now, with a full off-season as a starter, this is the time you take to fine tune these things.

          • aub32

            We value different things, and that’s fine. I think being hesitant is much more dangerous than turning the ball over, I don’t want a scared QB. That’s why I was screaming against bringing in A. Smith. That’s why I had a lot of initial reluctance on Foles. Protecing the ball is great, but you have to take your shots, forget your mistakes, and take your shots again. Look at Luck. He had 3 or 4 INTs but still won the game and made it past the first round in the playoffs. Nick Foles isn’t Luck. I understand that despite some fans who tried to make the case that Foles is better than Luck (hahaha). However, I think hesitance is harder to fix than turning over the ball, since a lot of TOs have to do with luck. So I can’t dismiss the times I saw Foles hesitate for so long because unlike Vick, Romo, Rodgers, Kaep, Big Ben etc. Foles cannot create with his legs or escape a would be sack and throw for a big gain.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t see how you can extrapolate a few instances of him holding the ball too long (for various reasons) to him being scared. That’s just silly. Nothing about Foles shouts that he plays scared.

          • aub32

            I said initially. Last year, in my opinion, he was afraid to toss the ball down field. I did not say he was scared this year. I said he was hesitant and brought up how I feel about hesitation. You can feel free to disagree. However, I can site multiple times in multiple games where this happened. That suggests, to me, that it’s not an anamoly.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t think TOs have much to do at all with luck. Stafford, Cutler, Dalton, Romo, Eli are not unlucky, they just gamble because of their tools. Would you say Dalton’s 3 consecutive years of PO failures are unlucky? he was awful. Foles plays within his limits.
            Hesitancy is absolutely easy to fix. Mostly, because it disappears with experience. The kid has started 1 season’s worth of games in 2 entirely different systems, both times coming in mid-way. for every example you can cite, I can pull one out of him standing in and taking a hit or making a play downfield.

          • JofreyRice

            I was actually curious to see how he stacks up. According to Pro Football Focus, he was tied with Russell Wilson for longest time to attempt, at 2.88 seconds–meaning, yeah, getting the ball out quickly is probably something he should work on.

            However, it may not be that simple. PFF’s data has him as the longest “time to sack” at 4.69 seconds–longer even than Cam Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson, or Roethlisberger–meaning he’s back there staying alive somehow. He’s also the highest rated QB in the league, at 120, when holding onto the ball for more than 2.6 seconds, which seems like their arbitrary line of division for how quickly a QB should have the ball out. The next closest to him is Peyton Manning, who has a rating of 104 when holding it for more than 2.6 seconds.

            I think his ability to move in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield, and throw with bodies around him is one of his strengths. I think there’s a huge difference in pocket mobility and the kind of mobility a QB like Kaep, or Alex Smith has. Greg Cosell talks about being able to move within an area the size of a boxing ring; to find throwing lanes, and functional space. I certainly agree that there were plays where he should have gotten rid of it sooner, rather than trying to extend the play, but unlike Vick last year, it seems that the extra time he’s taking is leading to good things for the team.

          • aub32

            I think the longest time to sack says more about our O line than Foles. That’s just the way I interpret that stat. The fact he holds onto the ball so long is a problem for me. Unlike Wilson, he can’t create with his legs. He also can’t chuck it 40 yards with a flick of his wrist. So getting the ball out quicker is a must when you ack the physical ability to create.
            ….
            I think every QB would be better if they had good weapons and time to hold onto the ball. That’s not knocking what Foles did. I just don’t see that as a stat that means much. He did better with more time and good weapons, but he held onto the ball longer than any other QB. So that kind of washes things out when you consider he had more opportunities to throw the ball after 2.66 seconds than any other QB, and every QB can make better decisions if given more time.

            I hope that made sense.

          • Adam

            Luck is a once in a generation type player. The Colts are fortunate to have him and comparing Foles to him is ridiculous as there aren’t any QB’s out there like him and there aren’t any coming up any time soon. If the Chiefs didn’t roll over and die in the 2nd half that game would have been a different story. 9 times out of 10 you throw 3 picks you’re going to lose a football game.

            I’m not sure what evidence you have to support that hesitance is harder to fix than turnovers. You don’t have to look much farther than your boy Vick to see that. I’m not sure why you include him in that list anyhow. He’s a career .500 QB with 2 playoff wins in 11 years in the league. I couldn’t care less if Foles ever plays like Vick. For every third down he converted with his legs he took dumb hits and injuries running around instead of throwing the ball or forcing throws into picks when he did. Our redzone offense with Vick at the helm was brutal because once the field was shortened and he actually had to play QB he failed. Foles redzone numbers show you that a pocket passer is what you need. The jury is still out on Kaep, he’s got a great defense that bails him out quite a bit. Rodgers, Big Ben and Luck are all pocket passers first and foremost who have functional mobility.

            Unlike Vick and Kaep, when these guys get older and their legs start to give on them, they’ll still be able to be effective because they can actually play QB.

          • aub32

            Kolb, Gabbert, and a ton of other QBs were never able to fix their hesitant play, and you have seen the result. Perhaps I misspoke. I meant that it is easier to overcome TOs than hesitant QB play. Eli has always had a problem with TOs. He’s led the league in INTs twice. He also has two SB rings. Yes his team helped him out. No players wins the SB on their own. My point is that having a QB who is TO prone is not a deathnell. Having a QB who cannot or will not make plays in big spots in big games is. (I am not saying this is Foles)
            ….
            I think you get too hung up on whenever anyone mentions Vick. Let it go. He was an example of an athletic QB and you went on a tirade about him. If you go reread my comment, I wasn’t just talking about the ability to run. I was talking about the ability to run OR get out of a sack and throw the ball down field. Also, I was not saying Foles should play like that. I said the exact opposite. That’s why Foles holding onto the ball is a bad thing. He cannot create like the players I mentioned.
            ….
            You are turning this into an athletic QB vs pocket QB argument. Please reread and see that’s not what I said. Try not to be so jaded when fans mention guys like Vick or Kaep. You kind of miss the whole point by doing such.

          • theycallmerob

            Real easy to argue a point using a single anecdote. Those things I listed are long-term fixes. I don’t think you can argue that separation is a strength of our receivers.

          • aub32

            Was it a single anecdote? I was referring to multiple games in which he did that. I am not saying he wn’t improve. However, I will not pretend like it’s something that only happened once. Also, I did not say he needed to make a play. I said he should have gotten the ball away. I look to him to improve this offseason, but I will not ignore it as if it was a one time occurrence either.

    • Token

      Whats odd…. I think last year he was better at stepping up in the pocket than he was this year. Maybe im wrong and not remembering it clearly. But just the little step ups and side steps in the pocket can make a huge difference.

      • JofreyRice

        Check out the numbers I posted from PFF above. I was pretty shocked. This year, there really wasn’t a QB that was close, in terms of making the best use of holding onto the ball in the pocket.

  • cliff henny

    May 8th, over 4 months away! this is going to be painfully cruel

    • Rahkem

      well i beleieve we would reach a deal with coop beforehand ,

    • Adam

      Free agency in March

    • nicksaenz1

      At the point where I actually don’t even want to resign Maclin. Let him walk. Resign Coop and get Landry/Watkins in the draft and save the money. Also, if we can, get K Benjamin. But for what Maclin brings to the table, he’s replacable in the draft.

      • aub32

        Is he? We just saw Coop, DJax and Shady break their personal bests under one season with Kelly. What makes you think Maclin, a receiver much more talented than Coop, wouldn’t do the same? Also, haven’t we learned not to target certain positions in the draft. We all thought they would go safety in the 2nd. They went TE. Having Mac would ensure that we could take whomever the BPA is while knowing we still have a very talented #2.

        • nicksaenz1

          The top 4 or 5 safeties were gone by pick 32, thus, we didn’t chase for a player and took BPA at 35…. So who’s to say that any of these guys in the draft wouldn’t have inflated numbers because of Chip’s system? Marquise Lee, Jarvis Landry, and Sammy Watkins bring basically the exact same things to the table and they’d be on rookie deals, controlled for the next 4 years. I like Maclin, but from a cap standpoint it makes more sense to address through the draft unless he takes some ridiculously cheap deal. Foles has very little chemistry built with him so you’re basically starting from scratch in the new system anyway.

          • aub32

            That’s my point. What if those guys are gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. We won’t be picking 35 this year. There’s a chance we don’t get a receiver in the fifth, and Mac has proven to be a good receiver on this level. What are our major cap concerns? We have more room under the cap than nearly every other team. Our O line, RB, and #1 WR are locked up. We are set at TE. We have our QB. Even if we decide to get a big name S we will have plenty of cap room. How much money did we spend in 2011? None of that hurt us. For all the crap he takes from fans, Howie can get FAs without putting us in bad cap situations.

          • nicksaenz1

            We can obviously go back and forth about this all day. There’s a case for bringing Maclin back and there’s a case for letting him go. While I like him, and agree he’s a good receiver, I side with letting him go. Will I be kicking and screaming if we resign him? No, but this is second blown knee. Scares me just a little….. We have absolutely no idea what they do in the draft because there are 21 picks prior to us. The combine hasn’t even happened yet. There’s likely to be a few QBs and OTs taken in the top 10-15. As of now, I think we’ll draft either a OLB or WR depending on what happens before us. I also don’t rule out trading out of the first to get an extra 2nd and later round pick or trading up to target a guy. As for the cap, there are no immediate concerns, but I think we pay a free agent or two and, knowing that we have a ton of talent coming due for pay days in the next 2-3 years, I like the idea of carrying forward an extra 10-12 mil in cap space in order to retain that talent. Paying Maclin, even if it’s cheaper than what he may deserve, likely eats into that. Just planning for the future.

          • aub32

            I disagree with your cap concerns. Howie has been beyond excellent there. So I just see it as would you rather have the talent or not. Mac and Coop provide us with upgrade over what we currently have, They have both proven themselves, and they are as good or better than anyone else we would pay for in FA. I value draft flexibility. We have had that the past few years. Being fleible allowed us to get guys like Cox, Curry, and Ertz (positions that were not of need at the time) My position in resigining both Mac and Coop does not mean we cannot get another receiver. It only ensures that we remain one of the most talented offenses in the league. Also, the rookie would have no pressure to immediately contribute.

          • nicksaenz1

            Howie has been excellent there, I never criticized it and I’ve eaten my words, thus far, about the talent eval that he’s always criticized for. However, just because we have the cap space now doesn’t mean we spend it all and carry nothing forward and basically find ourselves in a BAL/PIT/DAL cap situation that are absolutely horrendous…. We all value draft flexibility and we have it, but you don’t lose it by knowing you want to draft a player at a position within a certain range of rounds like 1-3. He has 2 blown knees and while he’s good, not irreplacably good. If he’s retained I would like to think that it’d be very very cheap and short term, a year or two. The desired shortness of the deal is why I think it’s just better to address the position through the draft, because in a year or two we’re having the same discussion. At the very least, he needs to test free agency.

          • aub32

            Do you not remember the spree in 2011? What makes you think that the price tag on Mac and Coop would come anywhere close to what we spent then. Hell, we could even throw Byrd into the mix, and it still wouldn’t amount to what we spent then.

            Also, I think you are missing my point that resigning Mac and Coop doesn’t mean we can’t get a WR. We can get one, and in 2 years this will not be a discussion because we will already have our replace #1 or #2 WR. I do not want to be in a position like the Lions or Texans where every year is a search for a guy who can come in and play compliment for the #1 guy. That helps no one. The rookie is always forced to over achieve and is labeled a bust before the 8th game of the season. Having Mac would allow the rookie to take his time. Think how much flack Ertz would have gotten without Celeck. Instead, he had a limited role and now we are seeing him make all kinds of plays.

          • nicksaenz1

            Okay, that changes my perception of your argument. I basically thought you were saying don’t draft one in the early rounds because of re-signing Maclin. I basically don’t think Maclin will come very cheaply, and he should, given his injury history and missing a full season, and not being as great as he’s made out to be. I just see him getting more elsewhere and think he should test free agency and shouldn’t be a primary player to resign.

          • Maggie

            Jason Peters has 2 blown Achilles. And please do not suggest that offensive linemen do not get beaten on.

          • nicksaenz1

            No one once talked about linemen so don’t worry, it wasn’t suggested.

          • Maggie

            I meant you were talking about a WR’s knees and would they stand up to punishment. I am merely suggesting that Peters also had 2 injuries to the legs and is able to stand up to even more punishment, as he is pounded every play.

          • nicksaenz1

            Peters wasn’t a free agent after the injuries so it doesn’t really relate. You want to know what second year player had his second ACL tear and wasn’t the same after it? If you guessed RGMe, you’d be correct.

      • Johnny Adams

        Watkins is a top 10 pick.Darqurze Dennard top 15. Mike Evans top 15, Jarvis Landry can drop to 2-3. If Mike Evans/Kyle Van Noy/Justin Gilbert falls to us take him. We don’t know if a draft pick will be successful til they are in the NFL but these players are talented at pick 22.

        • nicksaenz1

          True, Watkins is, just giving examples. There’s a ton of receiver talent in this draft. Was more making the point that knowing how stocked this receiver class alleviates the need to resign Maclin.

        • Token

          Id say theres a 5% chance of those 3 all going top 15. They arent THAT good. WRs generally dont go that high. I think atleast one of those 3 is available at our pick. Now do I wanna spend a #1 on a WR? Guess it depends what else is there.

      • JofreyRice

        I’d bring back Cooper (provided he wants Avant-money, and doesn’t think he’s Eric Decker) and sign Hakeem Nicks for a prove-it deal.

        I get the argument that Maclin might be more effective in Chip’s system, and that is valid, but I still just don’t love his traits as a wideout. Goes down near first contact, and has shown shaky hands in big spots. Never had the speed or open-field skills he was advertised with, coming out of Mizzou. Has a knack for getting open in the redzone against zone coverage, but I think the Eagles are likely to face a lot of man coverage in 2014, based on the success of defenses using that coverage against them this year.

        Nicks has a chip on his shoulder and offers another element to the offense, entirely. Particularly, I think Foles would benefit from a receiver that can win 50/50 balls 80% of the time. Nicks’ injury history is a concern, but that’s why you make it a prove it deal and bring Cooper back. Also, a lot of Nicks’ injuries have been of the nagging variety–abdominal pull, ankle sprain, etc. With how few soft tissue injuries the Eagles players sustained this year, I’d roll the dice that Huls and the rest of the SS crew could help Nicks avoid injury through prevention and targeted training.

        And Nicks should be very familiar with the route running in this system, being that he’s coming from Gilbride in NY. They use the option routes almost exclusively, and allow their receivers to make calls on when and where to go, within the framework of the play. I think it’d be an easy transition.

        • nicksaenz1

          He has to be on the right deal. His injury history, soft tissue or not, is worrisome. he’s missed a lot of time.

        • morgan c

          I just think it’s possible we can sign Maclin under market. Coming off an ACL tear, no pro bowls on his resume, it’s not like he will demand / command 8-10 mil a year or anything DJax-like. If we can sign him for 5 mil or so for a couple years, I think that’s a good deal. Agree that signing Nicks on the cheap would be great, but I’m weary of our history signing injury-plagued ex-Giants WRs…

        • #7

          Whoa…Hakeem Nicks. Interesting. He’s already pulled a DeSean in NY this year…at least that’s what I’ve read. Basically quit on Eli. He doesn’t want a “prove-it” contract though. Interesting though though

          • JofreyRice

            I wouldn’t sign him to something other than a prove-it deal. Too risky, given the injury history. I don’t know, aren’t like 80% of these WR’s headcases? Did you read the quotes from Riley Cooper where he refused to talk about the huge drop, and was getting testy with reporters?

          • #7

            Nah I missed that. Understood though and not very professional of course, but on the other hand, maybe his rationale is “what good does it do to re-hash it”. Tough loss and Cooper has exceeded expectations this year by anyone’s standards.

          • Maggie

            Maybe Cooper felt responsible for the loss? Maybe if you installed some winter tires but forgot to check air pressure, and the customer blew a left front on the freeway, you wouldn’t feel depressed and guilty? Not interested in some twit reporter shoving a mic in your face?

          • Chris

            I listened to Cooper openly admit that he blew that catch and accepted full responsibility. Didn’t see/hear anything “testy”

        • aub32

          ??? Nicks is no better than Maclin. Check their stats. Maclin has near identical numbers to Nicks. Also Nicks has attitude problems and likely isn’t as good a fit for Chip as Maclin.

          • JofreyRice

            I’m not really referring to numbers, more about traits. I prefer a receiver with skills like Nicks to pair with Jackson more than Maclin’s skills.

            And I think you might be underselling Chip’s ability to work with personalities. He had Jackson running with the threes in TC, right? And Jackson came back to post his best year as a pro, by far.

            Some compare Chip to Belichick. I’ve always admired the ability of that Coach, who seemingly has 0 personality, to be able to motivate and relate to all the players he coaches. It sounds like Chip takes a no-nonsense, logical approach to talking to players. Of course, that whole angle would have to be right for it to work.

          • aub32

            I see. I think Coop makes a good outside pairing with DJax with Mac far more suited for the middle. Also, when DJax or Coop need a breather, Mac can step in and do what either of them can do without a significant drop off. I look at the three of them but can see your argument if you are just looking at the pair.

          • ftotheyu

            Mac would be good in the slot (smaller, quicker), if he would re-sign for slot money.

          • Will

            That’s assuming Mac returns to form after his knee injury….

          • Maggie

            Bring him to camp and find out. Simple.

          • aub32

            What’s your definition of slot money? I think 5-7 is a good price for Mac.

          • #7

            I don’t think Maclin is tough enough for the slot. We’ve seen him have a case of alligator arms in the past

          • ftotheyu

            Maybe not, I guess I’m just fantasizing about a slot receiver like Wes Welker in Chip’s system…

          • #7

            Understood. My opinion is that he’s not “mentally” built for the slot, but it’s just an opinion on my part. I could be totally wrong. Another issue is, Maclin sees himself as a #1 WR and people on here have called him that. People on here killed Jackson because he didn’t put up large reception seasons and tried to say he wasn’t a true #1 WR.

          • ftotheyu

            There are only a handful of TRUE #1 receivers in the league (CJ, Gordon, maybe Dez Bryant…), and I wouldn’t even characterize DJax as a #1 because he can be taken out of the game. Slot receivers are important these days, and if you look at people like Welker or Victor Cruz, they can get huge contracts.

          • #7

            I’ve seen the guys you mention get taken out of a game. I guess we could agree on #10 is OUR #1wr. I get your point though

          • aub32

            Have you seen our slot WRs get blown up this season. With Maclin’s route running and Chip’s route combintaions, who would even be near Maclin to make a tackle. Look at all the space Avant was never able to take advantage of.

          • #7

            Yeah you have a point there..

        • Maggie

          Nicks would be a one-year deal. Haven’t Gamble, Roseman and Kelly already shown that they are primarily looking to the development for the future?

          • JofreyRice

            He’d be a one-year deal to evaluate, which is essentially what Desean was, this year. Imagine the guy puts up 1200 yards, and 10 TDs? They could always extend.

            Would you sign either him or Maclin to more than a 1 year, prove-it?

          • Maggie

            No I would not. But when this offense is clicking, it seems that almost anybody can catch the ball, lol. If I was the FO, my focus at first would be the defense. Safety especially. Then maybe a young corner to replace Williams in 2015.

      • Hasan Currie

        Watkins will be long gone by the time the Eagles pick at 22. Kelvin Benjamin i believe will be there. If so, yes I’d take him. But will Howie and Chip?

  • mtn_green

    Last year, low key FA signings, maybe one big name on defense , draft BPA. More of same.

    • Rahkem

      Exactly just stay the course , tough decisions to make at WR though. God i wish we could keep both guys.

    • JofreyRice

      I’d love them to grab Byrd, or TJ Ward. I understand people being reluctant to get burned again, but just because bringing in a high-priced FA didn’t work in 2011, doesn’t guarantee it won’t work in 2014. I mean, when you look at the way the Cap is managed, it seems like providing the flexibility to sign a mid-career high-caliber player at a position of need is part of the purpose.

  • addicted2mula

    I’m happy how this year turned out but I still can’t get over this lost. Offense didn’t show up. Not enough (regular) screens. Not enough motions. Not enough running up the gut. I understand we held Saints to low points in the half but we gave Brees to many opportunities. And why Davis call so many pass defensive plays to stop the pass when the Eagles was holding there ground on the top WR all year. its going to take a min to get this lost out my system knowing we SHOULD’VE won this game

    • Adam

      Screens weren’t working, haven’t been the past 2 games. The o-line wasn’t getting enough push for interior runs.

      Davis had the right idea for his game plan. You have to pick your poison when you’re playing defense against the Saints. Graham is above and beyond their biggest weapon and he sold out to stop him. We’ve had a stout run defense all year and the Saints run offense hasn’t been good, so he trusted his d-line and ILB’s to stop it and they didn’t execute. As soon as Davis stacked the box to stop the run that would have opened up Graham, Sproles and Colston to run wild on us. Right call, just poor execution.

      • addicted2mula

        3 times in the last two games! They Didn’t try enough to see. And i mean RB screens.That’s like running the ball 3 times because we kept getting stopped. What was the game plan for Dallas and Bears because they had weapons just like Saints did?

      • #7

        They took the screens away because they help Foles get into a rhythm. Didn’t get going until the 4th.

        • Adam

          They took out the screen game because Shady in space is probably the most dangerous thing in the league, especially with our athletic lineman in front of him. Kudos to Rob Ryan for seeing them coming and calling the correct plays to counter them.

          • addicted2mula

            Correct but the screen in This game Wasn’t even to Shady. I Don’t think in Dallas he was neither. 3 times in two games is to low for me. And what happened to using Casey as an extra block in the run game

          • #7

            I had feeling that Rob Ryan would be ready for us. Shut down Shady and we lose. Not sure he was afraid of anything else

          • Richard Colton

            Shady had 44 yards rushing vs. Oakland and 79 vs. Arizona. Pretty sure we won both games.

          • #7

            What does the regular season matter right now? We’re talking playoffs. Oakland was 4-12 and ARZ got a raw deal, but they are not in the POs so what does it matter

          • Richard Colton

            There you go – the Texas Sharpshooter. Explaining to me why only certain stats are relevant.

            Here’s a question for you Tex, if only the playoffs matter, why are you such a Mike Vick fan?

          • #7

            Because I chose to be and I know a great player when I see one and it is my choice to see him as a great player regardless of opinion.

            Apparently millions agree and you do not. Who cares

          • Joe from Easton

            Millions agree that Miley Cyrus is a great something. You gonna buy up some of her concert tickets?

          • Token

            The offense left the field with the game won. The 1st half they blew it. But the fact is the last time they saw the field the game was won.

            Now if only Vick was in there. Rob would have been shaking in his shorts.

          • #7

            You never know, but I’m sure that you could already read Rob Ryan’s mind. Not sure why you’re not on an NFL coaching staff with your mind reading capabilities

          • #7

            And who’s talking about Vick?

            Token of course.

          • Token

            You 3 act like we are dumb. Instead of having the guts to just say what you wanna say, you guys thinly veil all your comments. As if we dont see right through it.

          • #7

            LOL I say EXACTLY what I want to say. I would say that that is one of your main problems. Too honest for your liking instead of ass kissing like yourself.

            Funny how you’re such a hard core Folesie when you constantly said “Foles just doesn’t have it, he just can’t cut, get rid of him for a 2nd or 3rd”

            Yes, that was you, but you can’t be honest enough to admit that you said those things. One thing that you CANNOT say about me is that I’m not consistent with my beliefs…while you are a flip floppin, the most negative blogger on this thread by far, little female. BBaaS brings it harder than you and she roasts your ass on the regular.

            Why in the hell would I leave my team that I’ve followed since 1991 for one player? I wish Vick success except for when/if he plays the EAGLES. You can keep trying to use your same lame posts to (richard colton too) to discredit me, but I guarantee you you ladies will fail.

            Keep trying if you want. Makes it interesting on here anyways instead of just hearing you and “flip flop jr,” Colton spit shine Foles when you both wanted Mariota

          • Token

            The difference between us ive watched the last 10 games. Foles rebounded and proved me wrong once he got the gig. Only a idiot would keep downplaying one of the positives on the team. Maybe the biggest positive of the season after finding the right coach.

            Im the woman, yet you are the one with all the backhanded compliments and what you think are comments we cant see right through. Just say what you mean. No need to try and veil it. Say Foles stinks.

            BBaaS isnt roasting anyone. She simply either changes the subject, disappears when people bring actual facts to the table or says “you’re just missing the point”. Luckily, she has mostly disappeared.

            1 down and 2 to go.

          • #7

            “The difference between us ive watched the last 10 games.”

            LOL then how am I able to follow along on the game chats if I’m not watching? And your “backhanded” complaint…..you MAKE them backhanded in your own mind because you don’t like me. Period. Not everyone has to make Foles into Montana

          • Richard Colton

            That’s his new thing – Foles’ numbers were inflated by the screen game. Will allow #7 to stick his fingers in his ears anytime someone makes a statistical argument about why Foles is a franchise QB. So we’re back to the “eye test.”

          • Token

            Except he also has one of the highest % of yards through deep passes in the league.

            Im hoping at some point this offseason #7, BbaaS and anon just leave. Probably wont be until Vick finds a new team tho.

          • Richard Colton

            Its really pathetic – pick one of the best things that happened this year and hate for the sake of hating. Hell, I wanted Vick to play the whole season too, but I actually watched the last 10 games.

          • theycallmerob

            Pssssh #’s and stats are for socialists. Vick has the strongest back in the league from carrying teams to so many playoff wins. He’ll get a 5 yr deal somewhere

          • Adam

            But can he put a team on his back. Can he literally put 10 men on his back. I’m just not sure.

          • Richard Colton

            5 years? only because there’s a league wide conspiracy to not give him 10.

          • #7

            I doubt that happens. And now you don’t like anon? Thought he was someone you respected on here. I could care less what you think of me lol.

            “Im hoping at some point this offseason #7, BbaaS and anon just leave. Probably wont be until Vick finds a new team tho.”

            You sound like a little weak ass baby. You act like you own this blog, but just for your sake, I’m going to be on this blog even harder. Let’s see how you like that. Would be cool if you could take a difference of opinion and debate like a man, but you are too immature and incapable.

          • #7

            I see you’re back in bodyguard mode. Just an opinion man. Get over yourself

          • Richard Colton

            “Foles’ uses screens to get comfortable and inflate his numbers” – have to say thats one of your greatest arguments yet. It’s like you live in a world where every Nick Foles completion is an insult to you and your hero.

          • #7

            You you can end your “eye test” on Foles whenever you choose to. That’s your right. How long did your “eye test” last on Kolb? I’m willing to guess that you talked him up as the next coming also….anybody over Vick for you. It could have been Rodney Peete, Hoying, Detmer, Bubby Brister, any QB over you. Even during Vick’s 2010 should have been MVP season.

            You would have made excuses for that…exactly what you’re accusing me of today. I compliment Foles, but I guess you have to continue to try to attempt to read minds ad make assumptions. I make an effort to not even type Vick’s name and you people bring it up

          • Richard Colton

            Mostly because we know you. You never compliment, you damn with faint praise.

            You remind me of my buddy. He couldn’t bring himself to cheer for Mike Vick ’cause, you know, the dog thing. It was really pathetic watching him lie and bend statistics to fit the reality he had created. Mostly I felt sad for him because he couldn’t enjoy that 6 or 7 game run that Vick put together. I feel less sad for you, because you’re a “player first, team second guy.” Still sad though. Cheer up, you might have Jacksonville next year.

          • #7

            Have we met? I don’t recall….

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    Depends on health and the market for Maclin, but I’d like to see him in this offense. Donnie Jones is a no-brainer after the season he just had. Torn on Coop and Allen, I think they both had nice seasons that may inflate their price tag beyond their talent level. I’d like them both back at the right price. Vick will get an offer to start somewhere. Coleman, Anderson and Geathers are welcome to give it a shot.

    • Token

      Allen cant be back. Coleman cant be back. Keeping mediocrity does nobody any good. Id throw a blank check at Byrd. Hope Wolff is over his injury 7 months from now. Then go get another 2 young safeties. Keelan Johnson is no worse off as your #3 safety as Coleman or Allen would be.

      • aub32

        You still need depth. Every player can’t be a stud, and all potential doesn’t pan out. I think Allen has played his was into a roster spot in 2014.

        • Andy124

          If he was under contract, sure. But he’s an unrestricted FA right? I could certainly see that playing out either way. The only thing that would surprise me is if he’s handed the starting job next year.

        • Token

          Well sure you do. But you dont make a habit of keeping bums. I could see your point if he wasnt a FA. They would have to resign him to more money. Makes no sense. There would not be a large drop off at your #3 safety spot if you either draft someone in the middle to late rounds.

          • aub32

            I disagree. Nate got better as the year went along. He’s not ideal but can be a spot starter if need be. A rookie would not get the reps in this system to come into a game and start if needed. I would not make Nate a starter, but he would be on my short list when we start considering players who are not the big FA names.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    decker and Edelman in fa. and keep coop and mac. now you are talking

    • aub32

      Decker is no better than Cooper. In fact he may be worse, as he drops the ball more than anyone else on that team.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        ??

        • aub32

          What are you questioning?

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            coop and decker comparison. but I guess id take coop on the cheap

          • aub32

            Have you watched much of Decker? The guy has literally the exact same abilities as Coop, and he drops deep passes all the time. He just has a better QB, and his team doesn’t run the ball as much. So he gets more chances. I think you are just trying to look over the fence for some greener grass, rather than making an accurate comparison.

      • Rahkem

        not to mention Decker is gonna cost alot more than cooper.

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          5 for 57

          • Rahkem

            yeah im good lol too much id rather pay a guy like coop whos a simlar plater whos ingrained in this locker room , knows the system knows are QB and will pprobably be half the price

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        look for the eagles to get bigger weapons for foles. you see the way he loves throwing to big guys like coop and celek and ertz. faster slot guy as well. this offseason will be the real deal. chips first one really. since hes seen all the guys. he can cut and add who he wants now. especially hennery they aint married to him…get kickalicious

        • Rahkem

          decker and cooper are the same size bro

        • aub32

          I don’t disagree, but wouldn’t Coop fall into that bigger WR category? Couldn’t Maclin be a “faster slot guy”? I’m not seeing how getting Edleman and Decker would be any better than resigning Coop and Mac. Mac >>> Edleman, and Coop = Decker and has good chemistry with Foles. So I am confused about the point you are making.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            for one maclin coming off injury. likely only back with 1 year deal

          • aub32

            If the injury does affect his value, I am not sure it will, I thin you have to sign him for at least two years. We won’t be able to get a receiver with his ability for cheap in FA.

  • aub32

    I don’t see why it’s so unlikely that we keep both Maclin and Cooper. We saw last year that the team filled pretty much every spot on the roster with sufficient talent prior to the draft so that they could stick with the BPA strategy. Right now, the only WR currently under contract that I see staying is DJax. So there’s plenty of room for both Coop and Mac. Plus they are both better than what we would likely find in FA.

    • Guest

      It really just depends on what other teams are willing to pay for those guys. I get the sense both guys will test the market unless philly comes with a sweet deal before FA.

      • aub32

        I agree both guys test the market. I just don’t see us not matching the offers. We have next to nothing being spent on the QB position and have plenty of room under the cap. I see this as how they handled 2011 when we kept all 3 big name CBs, except this time with our own players who have proven themselves.

    • Rahkem

      Depends on what other teams think of coop and macling , i would love to see us sign coop beforehand and allow maclin to test his worth. then see who else we could get. while still trying to sign maclin.

    • cliff henny

      d-jax is under contract, but it’s no guarentee he’s on ’14 eagles (about 99% sure he will be myself) he’s due 12m w/ 6m dead. it screams restructure/extend unless he’s unwilling, eagles could part ways go with 2 young guys an cooper maclin at reasonable prices.

      • Adam

        You have to pay DJax. It would set a bad precedence if a guy comes out and has a career year and you ask him to take a pay cut. 12m may be steep, but it’s just gotta be done.

        • cliff henny

          no way he gets 12m. that’s insane money. he’ll have to accept 8-9m range. fitz in prime didnt get 12m. eagles arent dallas, cap matters, players know this.

          • ohitsdom

            He definitely will. He compares well to Vincent Jackson, who signed a new deal last offseason giving him $13, $13, and $10 million in the first 3 years of the deal. If the eagles don’t want to pay him that, someone will.

          • aub32

            I can see a restructure where he gets more upfront money and lessens the number on the cap, but I can’t think of a scenario where you let him walk. The guy makes the offense go, outside of Shady. He lines up all over the field, and he is emerging as one of the teams vocal leaders. He’s getting his money.

      • Token

        12.5 is what hes due. Thats WAY above his value. He either restructures or hes gone.

        I dont believe hes a #1. Let alone in the realm of 12.5 mil.

        Cant deny he had a huge bounce back year.

        However, the trend continues…..

        The two biggest games of the year:

        DAL – 3 for 28 yards
        NO – 3 for 53 yards.

        Hes invisible too often. With two different coaching staffs. Not worth that money.

        • Adam

          It’s more about precedence than value. Who would ever sign an extension in Philly knowing that even if you put up career numbers you can still find yourself out of a job?

          • Token

            Players know these multi year contracts arent worth the paper they are written on. The bonus is what matters. Jackson knew he wasnt likely to ever see the 12.5 year.

            In the event of a extension he lowers his cap value a bunch while getting a nice bonus which is what the player wants.

          • theycallmerob

            Not so much huge pay cut as restructuring for cap relief. As long as team is in good position it doesn’t hurt much. DJax gets bonus $ still.

        • aub32

          He put up better numbers than nearly every receiver in the league. How can a guy put up #1 WR numbers and not be a #1 WR. He had a better year than Dez surrounded by less talent and a worse (not much worse) QB.

    • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

      It really depends on the market for those guys. When Maclin has been healthy he’s been the best and most reliable receiver on the team. I’m not sold on Cooper yet. Everyone has drops but I think he’s best as a third receiver. That being said a lot of teams will probably throw a lot of money at both of these guys.

      • GEAGLE

        I have a feeling Chip doesn’t even want #1 or #2 WR…I doubt his vision works like that…I think he wants 5 dangerous WRs that stylistically compliment each other. Chip believes in maximizing his roster..I doubt he wants any Maehl or Damaris who just sit the bench. I think he wants 5WR that he can keep switching in and out f the games causing matchup issues for opponents…
        ..
        That leads me to believe that we will have Desean, Coop, Mac on a 1yr deal! a rookie WR or two and Avant to mentor them

        I could also see one less WR with Chip carrying 4TEs

        • Token

          Cant really afford to pay a #4 – #5 WR 4 million. If they are upgrading the position theres a very small chance Avant sticks around IMO.

          • GEAGLE

            Restructure..,Avant will want to finish his career contending in philly. if you are going to draft two WRs high,you would be wise to have Avant here to teach them to be a pro

        • aub32

          So you’re saying if Chip had a Megatron type receiver he would not want one. That makes no sense. Of course every coach wants a number one receiver. Do they want the cupboard to be bare behind them? No. But I think chip would make things works if he had the two towers that currently play for the Bears.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah Chip wouldn’t want Megatron…u got it lol

        • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

          I’d be on board with that 100%

    • ohitsdom

      Coop and Mac will both come relatively cheap, considering the knee and racism concerns. I bet Mac gets a one year “prove it” deal and coop gets a longer deal, but both won’t be much of an impact on the cap. I don’t see Avant staying around…

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    panelists suggested maclin as the #1 coop back at #2 and djack in slot as welker role…if welker can do that why not djack…in space player.

    • Rahkem

      Probably not gonna happen, Jackson could do it but why would you put maclin out there over him when your in different personell packages. Now when you go 3 wide i could see desean being in the slot, but tw TE packages etc , they arent gonna take jackon off the field for maclin.

      • aub32

        I agree that DJax should always be one the field over Maclin, but having Mac would give us a chance to rest DJax. Right now when DJax leaves the field, we have Coop and either Maehl, Avant, or Smith on the outside. I could see Mac playing a big role on the outside even in 2 WR sets.

        • Rahkem

          i like avant as a sub though because he can block , him and coop make alot of huge blocks which is another reason i wanna keep coop. Of course id love to keep maclin as well, im just not sure its realistic.

          • aub32

            Maclin isn’t small, and Cip knows how to get players to buy in. I think Chip will have Maclin blocking every bit as good as Avant, as he will know that he won’t see the field otherwise.

          • bill

            Maclin has decent height, but he’s not powerfully built. Nor has he shown a proclivity to get his nose dirty and do grunt work.
            Not saying it’s impossible, especially with this staff and the culture they seem to have created, but also not a given. I like Maclin, and think he gets an unfair rap in the blogosphere, but I’m not convinced (yet) that he can be as good as Avant as a blocker. That said, I’d definitely see Maclin overall (assuming he makes some commitment to blocking, which I think is a fair assumption if he stays) as a big upgrade over Avant in the slot.

    • Token

      Jackson isnt a slot guy. Maclin will be the one working from the slot IMO. Hes done it in a college spread system and excelled. I think hes could do some things in there. Hes a better route runner than Jackson.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        ok

      • Will

        Maclin’s 3rd surgery same knee…I dunno

    • ohitsdom

      Jackson only in the slot is a huge waste of his speed. Slot players just need quickness, not necessarily top end speed. Jackson on the outside keeps the safety to his side and opens up a lot more opportunities for the offense. Now the birds did use Jackson in the slot on some plays, whether through motion or lining up there, but it only makes sense for a change up rather than his set spot.

  • Andy124

    Is it next season yet?

  • GEAGLE

    Coop n Donnie MUST STAY!

  • Adam

    I’m very happy with how Coop performed this year, but I’m still not oblivious to the fact that he’s a pretty average receiver and route runner. I’m not ready to rely on Maclin coming back to his old form, and I’ve given up on thinking about Benn’s potential. I want to upgrade the #2 spot. It’s an extremely deep WR class so you don’t have to go there in the first round, maybe 2nd or 3rd. If you can get a legitimate #2 WR who can beat coverage and come down with contested balls teams it will open up DJax from all the double coverages he seems and will reduce the amount of coverage sacks Foles takes.

    If you can get Maclin and Cooper for cheap then so be it, but I’m not willing to offer big deals to either one of them. That’s just me though.

    • aub32

      I’m not sure why so many of you think that a rookie receiver is going to do any more than what Coop did this year. Sure there are guys like AJ Green and Jones, but those guys go in the top 10. Look at the Stephon Hill’s of the world. Hell, we took Reggie Brown one year in the 2nd. I just don’t get why so many think we can just find a #2 guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. What if we go OLB and CB in the first 2 rounds. Now we likely enter the season with DJax and some other guy picked in the 3rd-5th round. Some of you talk like it’s your own money, stating you will only take players if they are cheap. Players don’t come cheap.

      • Andy124

        OLB and S. Would be great if the BPA fell on those positions for us the first two rounds.

        • GEAGLE

          And we are going to contend with a rookie safety playing next to sophomore Wolff? Sounds like a recipe for a first round exit to me,,,,safeties are friggin crucial….have Wolff playing next to a stud veteran he can trust and respect to not steer him wrong….wtf is Chung gonn. Say to Wolff when everyone wants wolf to play over chung

          • Andy124

            Just ’cause you draft a S in round 2 doesn’t mean he’s playing day 1. But you want to add as much young talent to that position as you can.

          • GEAGLE

            Have to sign a top safety..I wouldn’t mind also drafting one…but you have to sign someone you can count on to solidify the position

          • Rahkem

            Id like to get a guy like Byrd ideally but i dont mind a rookie saftey as long as he can cover.

          • GEAGLE

            byrd,Ward,Whitner,Clemons…one has to be an eagle,,,,I wouldn’t mind also drafting a safety, but it’s imperative that one of those veterans is playing next to Wolff next year….there is literally nothing more important to me then that,,,

      • Adam

        Because I’ve watched film of these guys, and I’ve seen Cooper play. He’s an average receiver. There’s nothing wrong with that and that’s not a knock against him, he’s a 5th round pick and would make a good 3rd a 4th receiver. But his route running and separation ability leave a lot to be desired and there is room to upgrade our 2nd receiver spot big time.

        I have no interest in paying Cooper 3-5 million a year when we get a get a much more talented receiver in the 2nd or 3rd for between 700k-1m a year.

        And I’m sorry but I don’t buy the reasoning of “you don’t know what you’re going to get in the draft”. In that case we should just skip the draft all together. We pay our personnel department to project these kind of things.

        • Rahkem

          3-5 million a year is nothing , why are you so worried about the money , we dont have cap issues , and we all know NFL contracts have many backdoors. So if he doesnt produce next year we couyld easily get rid of him. We could still draft a reciever and sign coop.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            james casey is making 4 million a year.. lol..

        • aub32

          I’m saying that a young receiver may struggle to transition to the NFL. We have seen plenty of high picked receivers turn out to be crap. Also, resigning Coop does not mean we can’t upgrade that position in the draft. We signed Casey but still drafted Ertz in the 2nd. Coop would be insurance that we would not be forced to take a WR early. Mac can be our #2 with Coop at #3. Now we’d have Mac and DKax able to play outside or inside, with Coop on the outside as our guy with size. If we find a gem in FA or in the draft that is an upgrade for Coop, we can just trade him. No more contract. Plus assets for 2015.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yes a young WR WILL have trouble as a rookie, its a hard position, just have a small role for him and if he excells then give him more, like ertz has done.

          • aub32

            Exactly. My argument is that having both Mac and Coop allow that slow development, like having Celeck and Casey.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            im all for a WR in the 1st even if we sigh mac and coop. we have a greta offensive mind lets invest on some offensive players.

          • GEAGLE

            When you have our offensive coaches and an accurate pocket passer stacking your arsenal with: Desean!Coop,Avant,Maclin, first round rookie WR, 4th round rookie WR….is not a waste of asets

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            like we literally could have the best offense of all time if we got a young stud WR to mix with coop and desean and celek and ertz and LESEAN and bryce and polk.. and our OL.. damn i cant wait!!! lol

          • GEAGLE

            I expect to he hunting Denver’s offensive records next year…those are MY expectations

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            YESSIR!!!

          • Joe from Easton

            NFC East plays the NFC West this year, that’s four good defenses (3 extremely good) right off of the bat. If we’re going to be hunting for those records we’d better be wearing our big boy pants. We also have the Panther’s defense to face next season so at least 25% of our games are against top 10 defenses.

        • #7

          Scary drafting WRs…look at AJ Jenkins and Johnathan Baldwin. So far failed 1st round picks. They may come around (Jenkins had a nice play against the Colts in the POs), but people forget that it takes a while for WRs to produce in the NFL right away, with a few exceptions of course.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          pay coop and draft a WR. his blloicking ability and knack for getting downfield is what makes him a perfect fit for chip.

          and u do know james casy is making 4 million a year? lol i think coop getting that kind of pay day is not a problem at all in any way.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        stephon didnt even do anything in college, so that a horrible example.

        sign coop and draft a WR 1st round, and let him have a role but let him develope as ertz has done throught the year. Kelvin Benjamin would look great in green!!!

        • Maggie

          And on Defense? Every team in the league is looking for quality safeties or corners. Maybe the first or second rounds should be used for those positions? Especially safety. Since there are so many WRs this year, right?

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Well theres not many S in the draft, espo 1st round S just one. hasean clinton dix. but we have an in that most dont have, the top S on the market both played for chip at oregon. ward and byrd.

    • Rahkem

      he may not be an amazing talent but he has a good connection with foles , my belief is that you try to keep guys like that. Foles obviously trust cooper , and thats important for a guy like him who doesnt like to force the ball often. He’s willing to take risk with cooper. I think you could pay cooper without breaking the bank , maybe like 4-5 mill a year. Next year being the only gaurunteed year then you go from their next offseason. Im not worried about he cap management the eageles have been one of the best cap teams since lurie came in, Dont forget cary williams can be cut which would save us 4 mil next year , chung as well would net us 2 million on top of the 28 million we have.

    • Token

      Yea I agree mostly. I think Cooper should absolutly stay tho. However I look at him as a #3 or #4 WR that can start. He can go outside with Maclin going inside. Good blocker. Chemistry with Foles. I dont think he will be expensive.

      Maclin id keep too if the price isnt crazy. Hard to expect him to be 100% right away. But I think he could do well in this offense. He replaces Avant on the roster.

      So Id keep them both AND go get a high round WR. They need another weapon in addition to keeping those guys.

      • Andy124

        Leave cooper at #2. If a WR is BPA when we pick, grab him and let him compete with Coop. No rookie can be penciled in to top what Coop has shown this year.

        I’d be more than a little surprised if Coop isn’t back next year.

        • Richard Colton

          I feel the same way. Neither Maclin nor Coop will break the bank. Yeah – teams do dumb things. But if we see the strong WR draft class, so does the rest of the league.

        • GEAGLE

          Cooper is a friggin DOG! Chip ain’t letting a Warrior walk…everyone talks about how average he is and how we can easily get faster and more explosive….but Coop friggin BATTLES, he is gritty as hell for a diva position…you can win with guys like that if you COMPLIMENT them with explosive weapons….drafting a top talent and just assuming he will battle fot balls tougher then Cooper, and Block DBs better then Coop is foolish….
          ..
          Patriots have no use for a Cooper type..but in this offense, with this QB…HE WORKS and you don’t F with that! You add to it. But you don’t replace him..
          “.
          I have a feeling he won’t hold our feet to the fire with a crazy contract…he practically admitted that he wouldn’t be as good a WR in other offenses…Coop and the Eagles will work it out….I have very little doubt

    • Richard Colton

      I can see the argument for letting one of them go, but I think we need to keep (at least) Cooper or Maclin. Otherwise we’d almost have to chase a WR in the draft. The other free agent WRs don’t excite me.

      And who says Cooper breaks the bank? I remember the training camp distraction. Im sure the other 31 GMs have Youtube.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        cooper wont break tha bank, not just because the slur, but because hes only had one good year and that was this year and he wasnt even good all year…

        • Richard Colton

          I like him on this offense. Would I rather have Mike Evans filling that role? Yeah, probably. But for the $$$, I’ll take Coop

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            oh i would love evans!!! but ill take coop AND evans!! but evans will go high and idk if i want to give up picks for him… id just take kelvin benjamin who can do basiclly everything evans can do.. just a lil rawer which is fine we have playmakers in the mean time, let him develop and be a weapon in the red zone at the least.

          • GEAGLE

            That’s were I’m at. I want to see Coop, Evans/Benjamin, Ertz out there…the land of giants with Desean running around in motion attracting attention

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            YUP!!!! and with foles being a tall QB he will be able to find him easy… thank god vick era is over with!!! him being short and throwing nothing but lasers has had a huge impact on us the last few years, i mean celek has legit hands now!!! because foles throws with touch and timing instead of lasers into tight coverages…

          • GEAGLE

            YES!! YES! YES!

            Heard a caller this morning say we woulda beat the saints with Vick…just when I thought I was out! they pull me right back! When will the madness end? When will people stop rooting for players of their own race? What a ridiculous society we live in

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yeah thats crazy lol… esp since foles fought back and got the lead and had zero turnovers.. again! smh

          • GEAGLE

            Nothing bothers me more then when I hear a fan, make such an obsurd statement that the only possible conclusion is that they are rooting for the guy that’s the same skin color as them..I despise it when white people did it with Kolb, and I hate it when black people do it with Vick…leave it up to dopes to chose players because of race and I’ll never see a damn parade

          • Maggie

            Some people only see the excitement and near-misses but don’t really understand or care about the dogged hard work that goes into winning. I personally like Vick for the person he seems to have become and less for the QB position, moving forward.

          • #7

            Just curious, did they mention race or are you just assuming? I feel the same way, but it’s definitely not about color for me.

          • Maggie

            This sounds a lot more likely than Kelly et al. bringing Nicks for one year and too much money.

    • bill

      Comment re-posted from earlier article (it’s buried now, and no one probably will see it):

      No one’s mentioning it, but the snap counts for WRs is screaming something about Chip Kelly’s preferences at the position. They have been for the last few weeks. And I think that information is important in determining the Eagles’ offseason moves. Pretty clear to me that Maclin and Jackson are NOT going to be #1 and #2 next year. Heck, there’s an argument to be made that Jackson was not the pure #1 WR this year (don’t know if I agree, but there’s certainly an argument, based on snap counts down the stretch that Cooper and Jackson were 1a and 1b). If they keep Cooper, I can pretty much guarantee that they will still expend significant resources for another big WR. If they choose to let Cooper walk, you can make that 2 big WRs (unless Benn can somehow prove that he can stay healthy). I like Maclin, but he’s NOT a replacement for Cooper in Chip’s offense.

      More than anything else, though, it’s clear that they need to upgrade WR 4. Sure, STs is important for those guys, but you’d like to see at least some production there based on mismatches, etc. Not only did they not get production, they barely saw the field on offense. You’d like to have a least one guy there that can exploit matchup issues that aren’t always covered by your top 3.

    • JofreyRice

      I don’t know if I’m just buying into the “former outfielder” hype, but his ability to track the ball in flight seems like a pretty good skill, considering the deep routes they throw him, and the style of the QB.

      I’d like to bring back either one or the other, along with grabbing a better #2 with the traits you mentioned.

  • GEAGLE

    This is torture…the draft process is going to take forever, and picking 22, you basically can’t even come close to figuring out he we will be choosing from until the draft process unfolds…take a guy like Kony Ealy. Right now, who the hell knows when that dude is coming off the board? Some people think there is a chance he is on the board when we pick in round two, others have him as high as a top 10 pick getting picked ahead of Khalil Mack…look at the stacked WR class..who the hell knows how that shakes out after the combine. Who gets picked ahead of who?.

    I’m going to lose my mind the next few months

    • cliff henny

      doesnt help that mocks have some guys as 3rds and also 1sts. will be bickering back and forth about who to resign and draft needs, but the one universal agreement will be chung needs 86′d and ward/clemmons/byrd need signed.

      • nicksaenz1

        Add Carmichael to the 86 list. He’s almost as much of a liability as Chung.

        • Richard Colton

          How bad must Brad Marsh have been?

          • nicksaenz1

            No idea. But he could have done exactly what Carmichael has done this year.

          • Richard Colton

            the way he booted that punt into the end zone, he may have a future with the Union

          • nicksaenz1

            That and I told my buddy as soon as he came in for Cary that he was going to be targeted and give something up. Sure enough, Brees targeted him and he did just that.

          • Andy124

            Worst part about that play (no, not literally) was having to spend 10 minutes trying to explain what just happened to my wife (not a football fan).

      • GEAGLE

        Add Whitner to the list…lol we are desperate

  • Will

    We need a new place kicker period, OLB, a true heavy NT, 2 Safeties, #2 wr, O-Line for depth, can’t wait till Chip has another year of re shaping this roster…re-sign Donnie Jones….Sign Byrd and Ward in FA to fill Safety spots…

  • jtre

    Draft simulator for all of us to waste our time on until May. Updates player rankings and team needs every Tuesday http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/ Looks like there could be a run on OLBs early. I hope the Alabama safety falls and we can steal him. Also it seem that there will be a bunch of quality receivers sitting there at 22

    • GEAGLE

      I think the OLB run is bogus…I think OT and QB will dominate this top 10

      Take for exMple the Falcons..everyone will assume they will draft Barr or Clowney…but in reAlity they will draft an OT most likely the one from Auburn. Unless Lewans stock really rebounds which is very possible

      • jtre

        I hope you’re right, I would love for Barr or Mack to fall to us but I just don’t see it happening

        • GEAGLE

          No no no…they ain’t fall in to us,..but ATleast one will fall to 11, the titans,,,10 spots away from us which is striking distance for a trade up

          • jtre

            True, but I’d rather not trade up. We only have 7 picks and this is a pretty deep draft. We can stay put or trade back and still get quality talent. Especially if there is a run on QBs early.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not pounding the table to trade up ewither…just nice to have the option

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        the falcons need all the defensive help they can get…

        • GEAGLE

          Yes but that offense has too many issues…when you have a franchise QB, you get that said of the ball straightened out!!

      • Rahkem

        LMFAO in mine hosuton took teddy bridgewater number 1 , then took Derek carr 33rd

    • evanphilly

      I just simmed the first round and Clinton-Dix was there, but I went with the NT from ND. Dude is beefy at 352 and would love to get a guy who can command double teams on principal.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    at least i dont see a bunch of people claiming we need to spend money or a high pick on a CB.. because thats just dumb, carey fletch and boykin make for a good trio..

    • GEAGLE

      We have our starting CBs and starting ILBs for the next two years…Doubt we see those positions drafted before round 4

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Yup. totally agree, but i keep seeing people mention CB.. like the eagles media guys and other local talking heads

        • GEAGLE

          They are dumb…heck all those idiots tried to tell us we would draft Dee Millner last year, I GUARENTEED we wouldn’t take a CB! They also tried to tell us Cary and B rad sucked and they would only be here one year. They told us FOles would be traded, he can’t play for Chip….you want to know what the eagles will do, you are honestly better off NOT reading ANY eagles coverage and just read comment sections…

          You can find good eagles coverage like this site…but unfortunately all the writers and analysts are horrendous at reading between the lines and predicting what the eagles will do

    • theycallmerob

      Could def be improved, but I wouldn’t use a high pick. Having good safeties and pass rush makes everyone better

      • GEAGLE

        Yup…also CBs suck as rookies,,,if we want to take a CB in rounds 4 or 5 and develop him for two years to eventualy replace Cary and Brad, that’s a possibility…but we ain’t drafting a CB high unless we absolutely adore Justin Gilbert! which I don’t expect to happen

        • Explorer51

          Do you think Chip would go after his guy Ifo if available?

          • moesus

            He’s staying at Oregon. He was a projected first rounder this year already so barring a collapse by us or regression by him, he won’t be available. GEAGLE doesn’t think Kelly would draft him anyway and he’s usually pretty close about that stuff, so take it as you will.

        • #7

          Yep agreed. Takes a while for CBs…the rook for the Jets didn’t start to make plays until the last two weeks of the season and was also benched by Rex a few times this year

  • TheCatalyst

    I think the first person you sign is Donnie “Longball” Jones. He’s been outstanding all season and a no-brainer. Maclin should be brought back on a 1 or 2 year contract and if Foles is the QB, you have to bring back Cooper. Colt is a great ST player and can be cheap. Let the rest walk and replenish our safety position through the draft and free agency.
    I will be so fricking happy to read the roster next year and NOT see the names Alex Henry, Patrick Chung, Nate Allen & Kurt Coleman.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    also, we can still add another TE to this team. kelly loves TEs. Jace Amaro is basiclly a big arse WR playing TE. and he can block in line… So dont be surprised if we draft a TE in the 1st round.

  • Bird of Prey

    Great article. Donnie Jones is a must, Cooper fits in well, and Allen actually played much better this year(though it hurts to admit it), Geathers gives them depth on the D-line Coleman is the best Special teams player we have. I think you may see us go with Evans(A&M) if he falls to us in the draft, but what do I know? The big thing is Safety/LB, and the later picks to add depth for special teams. There are going to be a lot of quality veteran F/As available this year just because of the CBA, that will be on the cheap side to sign. So come May( I can’t believe its not April anymore), I think Howie and his scouting department will show us what they are made of.

    • Will

      Let Nate Allen walk…Finally they go get a legit Safety…

      • GEAGLE

        Yup…bye Nate.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      evans wont fall to us in the draft dont get your hopes up, he will go high… look at guys like kelvin benjamin and allen robinson.. and even marques lee..

  • eagles89

    I don’t know if it’s “highly unlikely” Maclin and Cooper both won’t be back. Neither one should break the bank and the Eagles have plenty of cap space. I know it’s a deep WR draft, but I don’t want to waste an early pick on offense when there is still defensive needs.

    • Brandon

      Yeah I essentially echoed the same thing in a comment down below. I don’t see why you can’t sign both (especially if you cut Avant).

      • Maggie

        Chip just got finished saying on NFL Network that outsiders, like yourself, have no idea how valuable Avant is to the team.

        • #7

          I agree with him. Why get rid of him? He’s good for the team. He’s not going to catch as many passes with Foles at QB because the windows can be smaller throwing to Avant while Vick used to get him the ball quite a bit on 3rd down

          • Brandon

            Hey don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Avant fan, but his 38/447/2 season isn’t blowing anyone away. He also saw his YPC drop for the 3rd straight season. With a healthy DJax, Maclin, and Coop he’s just a 4th WR and probably barely sees the field. Going on his age 31 season and owed a $1m roster bonus I’d rather see that money spent on the other needs of the team.

          • #7

            Sometimes numbers isn’t everything…

          • Chris

            I felt that of all the players who produced in years past, Avant had a terrible year under Chip. Didn’t expect it, but he seemed so irrelevant this year.

        • Mikeq

          I love Avant too. But would like to see him as the 5th WR who actually contributes to the offense (unlike our 4th and 5th WRs this year) while providing his excellent leadership and other intangibles.

    • Mikeq

      I agree with this. Like everybody, I don’t think we should target a specific position, but do think we should target BPA on defense early since we need help on all levels- either DT, OLB, CB, or S. Don’t watch much college anymore, but 2 WRs I’ll watch how they test at Combine is Abbredaris (sp?) from Wisconsin and the small guy who catches everything from Wake Forest. Both guys could be the dangerous slot guy/return man we need.

  • aub32

    On a very unrelated note, anyone want to take up a Birds 24/7 collection for placing money on the Chargers to win the SB? The Eagles home jynx may still be in effect.

    • TheCatalyst

      I told one of my friends, who’s a Raiders fan from Oakland, that the Chargers will be in the SB due to the Philly push. I’m ready to place money on that.

      • aub32

        I was convinced immediately after every crazy call/missed FG/miracle that allowed them to get into the playoffs.

  • Will

    The Eagles O-Line wasn’t dominate over a lot of teams…Not sure why but I bet the Coaches know, this may be a point of emphasis in the upcoming Draft/FA….

    • GEAGLE

      Nah…they are smart enough to know that 3 linemen getting over injuries and a raw rookie, in a new offense, will be much better in year two then year one,,,patience and continuity can often be a wiser decision to impulsive change….no worries, our FO and Coaches GET IT!

      • Andy124

        Yeah, but sure wouldn’t be sad if we drafted some replacements for the old guys to start grooming.

        • GEAGLE

          What if Bamiro,and Dennis are progressing nicely? Who is to say we don’t already have the replacements….I could understand a guard..but not a T

          • Andy124

            Then Stoutland will send that info up the chain and it will be factored in as the FO sees fit. If they’re drafting BPA, I don’t see it making much of a difference.

          • GEAGLE

            Fair….if we add a Linemen I hope it means baylors Cyril Richardson falls to us in round two….an athletic Iuapati type next to Lane…I’m bout it bout it lol

          • Andy124

            I’m holding out hope that slightly weighted BPA nets us an OLB in round 1 and S in round 2. Completely unweighted BPA after that.

          • GEAGLE

            OLB and two WRs in the first 3 rounds is where I’m at…

          • Andy124

            Any chance of Benjamin falling to our pick in the second?

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Hell no. he will go botton 3rd of the 1st round.

          • GEAGLE

            No…better chance of him going in the top 15, then making it to us in round two

          • Andy124

            Well alrighty then. As long as our 7 picks net the 7 best players to come out of this draft, I guess I’ll settle for that. :)

          • cliff henny

            landry is rd 2 pick, everyone in nfl, philly, heck, the world knows this!

          • Richard Colton

            Cyril looks like a top 30 pick. Would you like to be Howie going to the mic and introducing your 2nd 1st round Guard from Baylor in 4 years? I think one of the highly rated OLBs or OTs could slide – and the Eagles are a team that likes to move.

            We come out of draft day with a Mack or another top four OT? Im happy.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol hell no Howie wouldn’t even have the balls to do it…but if that type of talent falls to us in round two, because he plays guard and their are a ton of tackles that have to be drafted first, I’d be cool with it…but yeah, he most likely won’t fall that far

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      they are not a big group, they are the athletic types, and they were dominate in what their skill sets were…

      • Andy124

        The OL can dominate (verb) or be dominant (adjective). But they can’t be dominate. I only mention this because it’s sooooo common on the webz.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          yawn

          • theycallmerob

            being tired is no defense for poor grammar

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            who cares about grammar. grammar can suck my D

          • theycallmerob

            good attitude. hope you get far.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Its, “I hope you get far.” dumbass

          • theycallmerob

            It’s. As in, conjunction of It and Is.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yes, but im not the one that cares about grammar… dumbass

          • theycallmerob

            kind of a 1 trick pony with the names. ironic you choose that one, considering the conversation. but hey, my nephew has a real limited vocabulary too. We can’t all be winners (he may yet, though)

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            nah its just perfect, makes people mad, and is always allowed to posted. dumbass.

          • theycallmerob

            it’s

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            its. we r not being graded. its ok. your mama that home schooled u wont spank u

          • theycallmerob

            won’t

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            plus i say it in red foremans voice, so its fun for me. dumbass

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            oh n u should have said “not a defense” instead of “no defense” dumbass

          • Andy124

            Lighten up.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            oh im lighten up.. that green stuff!!! yeah buddy!!!

          • theycallmerob

            uh…..ok. try that one again. name-calling doesn’t suit you better, but I guess it is a good defense for the dumb.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            ok. Dumbass. that better??

          • theycallmerob

            oh no! you called me a name!!! what will I ever do?!?!

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            youll prob complain in a sarcastic tone…

          • theycallmerob

            you’ll

          • theycallmerob

            and. you.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            no its “n u” welcome to the world of typin short hand on the internet. dumbass

        • theycallmerob

          man, when did ignorance become such a highly prized value? why won’t the liberals allow us to cull the herd? (I kid….kind of…)

          • Andy124

            I don’t know man. I didn’t expect him to get his panties in a bunch like that. I’m no gramma nazi, but it’s not like it was just a typo or ignoring punctuation, it’s flat out using the wrong word. I don’t understand why that particular word gets messed up so commonly. The post he was replying to had just done the same thing. I saw it all the time at the mma blog I used to frequent. It doesn’t seem like an easy mistake to make.

          • theycallmerob

            haha, commonly? andy, my man….if I may steal from #7, “SMH”

            I blame global warming for all the panty-bunching, makes things awful swampy down there. Who has time for grammar with a sweaty sack?

          • Andy124

            Commonly. Very often. Frequently. What am I missing? lol

      • Will

        3 are on the wrong side of 30…They need big athletic types that dominate….

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          no we need the athletic types that can get out on screens and crack a dudes head ipen, and we have them. plus we have a good player waiting in the wings in alan barbre

          • Will

            The D-Lines of Dallas, and New Orleans gave our O-Line fits…a few others as well when dealing with upgrades you have to be honest about what you have and need…with a Dominate O-line you can run on anybody….

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            NO didnt give us fits neither did dallas, no one was open so foles had to hold the ball.. and hello we can run on anyone. we were the best rushing team in the NFL, step yo game up son!!!

          • Will
          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            did u listen to chips presser today?? you cant evaluate just one game you have to evaluate the entire season!!! dumbass

          • Will

            Hey the O-Line didn;t run block well a few games…you can spare me the childish name calling, our O-Line got man handled more than one game…

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            and it also man handled good run defenses MORE THENonce, which goes back to my point of looking at everything… dumbass

  • Tay

    Eagles need jesus. Let thier whole team go

    • theycallmerob

      Booooooo jesus, boooooo

      • Richard Colton

        booing Jesus would give the national media another 50 years of lazy stories

        • theycallmerob

          I’ve got a 9V battery for those journalists, too. Boooooooo

          • Richard Colton

            “…the Philly fans, who once threw non-recyclable batteries at our lord and savior, set a new low today when they…”

          • theycallmerob

            Eh. Win some lose some.
            Not the worst outcome. In SF, he’d be stabbed in the parking lot post-game

  • Token

    Danario Alexander?

    Anyone know more about his skillset? Just remembered he was cut after tearing his ACL. Hes a FA. I thought he was thought of as a promising WR at one point. Good size.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Yes i do, tremendou athlete, even with the kneee problems, had a 40 in vert while being 6’5, has great hands gets downfield, can get YAC. I wanted us to draft him (a steal in the draft) i wanted us to trade for him when he was a ram, and i wanted us to sign him as a FA after the rams cut him. Hes best friends with maclin too. but i say all of that to say yes i would sign him, but after i would id pretend he wasnt here, and id still resign mac or coop and draft a 1st round WR because his injury history is that scary.

      • Token

        Yea i was thinking like this years Benn, just a guy competing for like the #5 spot. But is this knee thing a constant problem? I know he tore his ACL last year but is he a guy thats constantly injured?

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          oh yeah hes tore it at least 3 times, not sure if all the same knee tho..

          • Token

            O. Nevermind then. Chronically injured.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yeah… id still sign him see if he has anything left… just because i like him.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          rams had cut him cause he had swelling in his knee and couldnt play to earn a spot in the preseason.. that how the chargers got him..

      • aub32

        Is he any better than Benn? Seems like we already have the guy with physical ability and knee problems. Do you really think it’s worth having him and Benn or would he be an uprgrade?

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          Hes is more talented then benn. benns a big guy and runs fast but he didnt have great natural hands or instincts and not a very good at route running. Danario has all of that… plus he is 4 inches taller

        • theycallmerob

          he showed more last year alone than Benn ever has. Kid can ball

  • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

    Hey, Dick. Do franchise QBs typically disappear for an entire half during a playoff game? Just curious.

    • #7

      lol. He’s ok with that. Read his posts. Not a peep about Foles “houdini” act.

      • nicksaenz1

        Talking to yourself about Colton, huh? That bored?

        • Token

          Its so sad.

          • #7

            zzzzzzz

    • Will

      only when there receiver’s can’t beat man coverage and the O-Line can’t run or pass block because of scheme and being man handle because there too small….

    • Will

      Brees got 2 FG’s first half for 6 pts. guess he’s not a franchise QB either na…

      • jabostick

        He had as many interceptions as he did scoring drives in the 1st half. They should probably let him go in the off-season

    • jabostick

      Brees did. Luck did. Peyton has. You know who hasn’t though? Nobody ever

      • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

        The point is not that it NEVER happens. The point is he should not be above that criticism. Two picks against Brees, you have to capitalize. I’m just waiting for this blog to start critiquing Foles for a change. The guy is untouchable.

        • #7

          Easy now….

          Their knives and pitchforks have been sharpened….

        • Will

          You can criticize any player they all have faults, Foles held the ball to long and was timid like afraid to make a mistake….but considering all factors he can become one of the greats in this game given time and experience….If you can’t see that you just don’t understand player development or great coaching to help player’s improve…

        • jabostick

          He’s criticized plenty. Sheil was about as skeptically objective as they come early on. Now, Foles rightfully gets the benefit of the doubt because he’s done MUCH more good than bad. And the bad things typically aren’t disastrous.

          But he got ripped for taking the sack by Sheil (and by his coach, and – I’m guessing – by everyone here who was watching along at home). His disappearing act in the first half had still them up a point. I think a Cooper drop and a Henery miss (set up by the dumb sack) were bigger factors than Foles being a bum.

    • bill

      Hate to feed trolls, but Donnie Mac did against AZ. In fact, he really only showed up for approximately one quarter of that game – but he was good enough for that quarter that a good defensive effort would have had them in the SB.

    • Will

      McCoy just 21 carries for 77 yds….that hurt….O-Line needed to do a better job run blocking period….

      • #7

        They handled us up front. Period. That’s why I felt that we needed to put the game on Foles’ shoulders. Took til the 4th for him to get a rhythm. To late unfortunately and Henery pulled an “Akers” on us…

        • Will

          that 48 yd missed FG was a killer…

          • #7

            Aints played tougher football than people imagined. They’ve been billed as a “finesse” team and they took it to us

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      They do show up in the 4th and foles did exactly that, did u forget he came back and got the lead? You are a fake fan.

    • Token

      Do you mean like Drew Brees did in the same game?

      People are stupid.

    • theycallmerob

      Did you miss the first few years of Peyton in the playoffs? Look at the other QB in the game, Brees was terrible 1st half.
      Wish I could throw a battery at you.

      • Will

        LMAO me too…lol…

      • #7

        Violence. Typical of your kind

        • theycallmerob

          kind? boy, you find new and creative ways to display stupidity every day. care to argue what I actually said, mr. wine glass?

          • #7

            Throwing a battery at someone because his views is different equals violence to me

          • Will

            not if he ducks…lol…

          • theycallmerob

            not a different view. it was an unsupported, incorrect statement. but those don’t deter you, so I can see why it’s no issue.

            and who is this “someone” you speak of? it’s just a wine glass

            still running away from my Brees and manning example.

          • #7

            Cause you said it’s incorrect? Who are you?

          • theycallmerob

            it’s incorrect because I just proved it so.

          • #7

            You haven’t proved anything all year. You’ve been 90% wrong all season.

            You’ve proved that you’re violent if anyone opposes Foles or have a fair critique of him

          • theycallmerob

            riiight, as if you’re in any position to spout facts.

            still waiting for you to counter.

          • #7

            Counter what? That you’re filled with violence?

          • theycallmerob

            hahahahah, i take it back. You’re not dumb at all. Just the worlds best troll.
            so, did you hate Peyton all those years he couldn’t win a playoff game? which is the actual point of discussion

          • #7

            I could care less about Manning. He’s not on my team. Why do you care so much about him lol, especially with your futile attempts to force people on here to compare him and Foles which is one of the more recent stupidest things you’ve done on here.

          • theycallmerob

            Q: Do franchise QBs typically disappear for an entire half during a playoff game? Just curious.

            A: yes. Brees in this game. Manning for years. Plenty of other examples.

            Go ahead and find where I compared Fole to manning. I’ll be here alllll day. try to keep up with the grown-ups

            “recent stupidest”? wow….

          • theycallmerob

            hahaha, still waiting 7

      • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

        See what I’m saying? It’s never about Foles. Nut huggers instantly compare him to HOFs like Brees and Peyton, as if it’s a done deal he’ll become one of them.

        • Will

          Who should be QB in your mind?

        • theycallmerob

          you asked if they disappear. I answered you.

          cry all you want, doesn’t change anything

          • #7

            pfffff

    • Tom W

      Like Brees in the first half? dope.

      • aub32

        Now now. No need for name calling. It was a joke

    • Richard Colton

      This is amazing. I’m more of a beer drinker, but I’ll take it.

      • theycallmerob

        seems you have some fans.

        • Richard Colton

          A bit on the creepy spectrum. “R. Colton’s Whine Glass” would have been funnier. It’s probably the guy who wanted to trade Foles for Blake Bortles; we teased him into an eating disorder.

          • #7

            You must have forgotten that you wanted to draft a QB. You though that Foles couldn’t cut it. Try lookin at yourself first, which it seems that you are incapable of doing

          • theycallmerob

            A lot of people didn’t think he’d cut it. That is, until he did.
            Why live in the past so much? It’s a glorious future for the Eagles franch- oh wait, that’s right, you’ll troll someone else next year.
            You’ll pry be the most educated person on JAX boards

          • #7

            I can can show you better than I can tell you. You were so adamant that he couldn’t and you so adamantly wanted to draft a QB. Now you’re his bodyguard lol.

            Sheesh

          • theycallmerob

            oooooooh

          • #7

            Be very afraid :)

          • theycallmerob

            shaking

          • aub32

            Vick won’t go to the Jags. I can’t see him going to a noncontender just to start. I would have thought Cleveland would be a decent landing spot though. That division is up for grabs. Cleveland has a decent line and a super stud in Gordon. They also have plenty of picks to help the team and a top defense.

          • Andy124

            Personally, I think he’ll go any place that will offer him a chance to start. If Jax is his only option, I sincerely doubt he would turn that down.

          • aub32

            I’d hate to think of him as that desperate. I’d like to see him start but would rather have him back here as a backup than playing for a bad team with no chance.

          • theycallmerob

            yea, but judging from his last few comments he’d rather start, period.

            http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/eagles-quarterback-michael-vick-believes-skills-start-another-155051260–nfl.html

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10226074/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-expects-start-qb-team-2014

            and of course, Barkley or QB X is still an unknown factor. Not saying he’s better than Vick, but good enough to be #2? who knows? Lurie also seemed to think it was the end

          • aub32

            I’d much rather have Vick than Barkley or a 3rd/4th round pick as the backup. I know Vick can move this offense. I don’t like the idea of my backup being an unknown.

          • theycallmerob

            I think that’s fair. And not that I personally play into it, but some within the organization may see him going as “finally turning the page” to Foles. The Eagles won’t break the bank to counter another team who will pay him to start or compete to start. Also, who knows how comfortable Chip and Lazor are with Barkley? Just trying to look at it holistically. Odds are very, very stacked against him returning

          • Adam

            Why not? At this point for Vick it’s not really about the glory. His career has peaked awhile ago. He’s proven what he has to prove. He’s recently out of debt and anything he makes from here on out is very important. He needs to chase the paper, and he’ll get more money as a starter.

            I can’t speak for him, but when I played football there was nothing I hated more than being off the field. I’d rather lose every game be on the field every snap than be on a winning team watching from the sidelines.

          • Andy124

            He just had a front row seat for a worst to first. I don’t think for a second that he doesn’t think he can be a key piece in another worst to first next year.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t think so either, just messing around. Not sure Banner would want him with 2 1st rd picks, they have to go QB again. Maybe TEN, OAK, NYJ, MIN, or ARI. just spitballin’

          • aub32

            As a fan of his, I’d like to see him in MIN or ARI. The other choices are void of offensive talent. I’ve never felt he can do it alone, but he’s definitely good enough to make some noise is he has some help and the right scheme.

          • theycallmerob

            sure. and stays upright :)
            I hope he goes somewhere and has a nice ending, too. Beggars can’t be choosers

          • #7

            I like MIN now since Cordarrel Patterson is really coming along

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah I did. Then Nick Foles happened. Where were you during the season? Book signing?

          • #7

            Nope, I was right here being CONSISTENT with my beliefs and not FLIP FLOPPING like yourself.

            Remember you people said that you would “run me off” but you’re now 0 for 100 and counting

          • Richard Colton

            I’ll give you that. You’re immune to feeling foolish.

          • #7

            A microcosm of your attempts to “get rid of me”

          • Adam

            Any person with half a brain doesn’t mind being proven wrong when present with facts and changing their opinion. Especially when it comes to evaluation of a football player.

            Being consistent with your beliefs means diddly squat if you’re consistently wrong.

          • #7

            And again, that is a opinion.

  • Wilbert M.

    We need a run stuffing nose guard (or is it nose tackle?). Louis Nix from Notre Dame would make sense, but he probably won’t be around. Not sure if there are any quality FA’s out there at NG.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      we need a run stuffer? we were pretty good vs the run all year… we need S and pass rushers.

      • Will

        against 2 pro bowl guards on offense for New Orleans ran the ball down our throats with Ingram…

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          yes vs 2 pro bowl Gs.. lol.. overral we are good against the run dont let one game cloud your judgement, we need pass rushers and and S’s way more then any DL player.

          • Will

            need 2 safeties, OLB and a true heavy NT to play a 2 gap 3-4…

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yes in that order… and NTs arent usually high picks you can get them through out the draft.

      • aub32

        An upgrade at safety would help our run D more than an upgrade at D line. We have starting caliber D lineman. I don’t think we can say the same about our safeties.

        • Will

          Need all 3 for a great run Defense…Vince Wilfork type at NT and 2 Safeties like Byrd and Ward would go a long way in improving this D.

          • Andy124

            Kinda depends on if Saturday was a sign that Logan can’t ever anchor, or just that he didn’t have a great game against a great interior OL for the Saints. So far, looks like the exception rather than the norm.

          • Will

            Logan gains 50 pounds in the off season great if not find a true NT in the off season…being 325-330 isn’t gonna get the job done…

          • cliff henny

            330 isnt big enough? how big do you want the guy?

          • Will

            350-375….A big wide body…

          • Andy124

            Guessing you missed the articles this offseason breaking down the typical sizes of 3-4 NTs. They were a lot smaller on average than you’d expect. Even the good ones.

          • Will

            they do lie sometimes about there weight…but we need a good one….maybe they stay with Logan. I just think they try and get another bigger NT…

          • Tom W

            We can upgrade at Square — Logan is 20 and a beast and still growing … didn’t even get his grownman strength yet and still adding weight. And stop mentioning Saints game .. we went 4 or 5 in the box for the most part — no dlineman is going to look that great against the run vs how stout the dline was all year.

          • JofreyRice

            But is that accounting for guys playing nose in a 1 gap 3-4? Seems inaccurate to compare when the responsibilities are much different.

          • theycallmerob

            Kempski broke it down for 2 gappers, but I can’t find the link (it’s pretty old by now)

          • Andy124

            As rob said, I think there was a breakout that took that in to account, but I can’t find it now. A quick google search turned up one that did not account for style of 3-4.

            http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/Bennie-Logan-should-be-starting-at-NT.html?c=r

          • nicksaenz1

            Hahaha thanks. My Monday morning needed the laugh.

          • Will

            Man this gonna be a long off season so exited about the direction the Eagles are headed in and can’t wait to see what they do next to improve this squad…personnel wise…

          • cliff henny

            375?! you just want to see a man’s heart explode?

          • Will

            my younger brother is 375…his heart is fine…too much scar tissue in his ankles…lol….

          • theycallmerob

            he’ll upgrade to high-calorie smoothies. no worries on this side of the keyboard

          • nicksaenz1

            Logan is young. He has yet to get his grown man strength, and he faced not one, but two, pro bowl guards up front, one of which has been an All Pro. I agree very much with your last sentence. A year or two longer will really determine if he’s the anchor we need, but for a guy that got the starting job in week 8 or 9, he’s looked to be ahead of the curve.

          • Adam

            I think Logan would be a much better end. Not that I have any problem with his performance at NT this year, I just think he’s more at home at end and I think we can find a NT on the street. It’s just not a young mans position IMO.

          • aub32

            Dontari Poe?

          • theycallmerob

            was very, very quiet later in season. I wouldn’t say he’s performed high enough and consistent enough. In fact, some would say he was a product of the talent around him (hali and houston going down hurt his performance).
            But again, coming out, he was a freak at the combine and all through school. Can you name another? Maybe Hageman this year

          • Adam

            First round pick, just like Haloti Ngata, Wilfork, Raji etc. I don’t value the position enough to spend a 1st round pick there. For me NT is a JAG position. You can get a guy off the streets to be effective and put that pick to better use.

          • aub32

            If we are going to put a JAG there, I don’t see the point in moving Logan. Logan wouldn’t start over Thorton or Cox at DE, and I’d much rather have a players like Cox and Curry on the field for passing down. So I’m not sure why you’d want to waist an active roster spot on Antonio Dix…..I mean some random fat guy.

          • Adam

            Playing a 2-gap 3-4, we need an active rotation on our d-line without a production drop off like we get when we put Square and Geathers in there. Cox played more snaps than he should have the other day because they have no faith in the guys behind him. Logan could spell just about anybody on the line and be quite effective. Problem is there isn’t many good NT’s in free agency so they might look late in the draft. Or maybe they stick with Logan, who knows.

          • theycallmerob
          • Adam

            His face reminds me of..

          • theycallmerob

            Thought you were going to say Nerlens Noel (took my computer a min. to load that pic)

          • Adam

            hahaha that’s even better

          • #7

            BEAST

          • nicksaenz1

            Thought he was drafted as a DT, not a DE.

          • theycallmerob

            yes, like Ngata. Best in a DT-NT-DE front, as the ravens employ

          • Adam

            He played 3 tech DT in LSU’s 4-3 I think, but in the NFL I just saw him more of a DE than a NT in the 3-4

          • JofreyRice

            eh, gotta differ with you here, Nick. I saw numerous times where De La Peunte singlehandedly pushed him off the LOS. On the first drive, on fourth and 2 from the Eagles 45, the Saints lined-up in the same sneak formation they used to great success later in the game. There was no hesitation, and no way that was an accident. Payton does not miss a trick, and I’m sure he knew that short yardage would be almost automatic with Logan or Square on the nose.

            I like Logan as a run defender when he’s flowing down the line, moving to contain cutbacks and chasing the ballcarrier on outside zone runs, but in power situations, I think he’s pretty easily exploited. All the positive things about his game translate well to DE–the long arms, the nimble feet, the awareness. I just don’t think right now he’s got the power to play head up on the center in a 2 gap system. It would be one thing if we were running a 1 gap style like Wade Phillips employs, but Bennie Logan doesn’t look a thing like Casey Hampton–and the Steelers are the blueprint, right?

          • #7

            Hard to find. Hopefully we can get lucky and find a gem

          • aub32

            Size isn’t everything for a NT. It’s really hard to find a guy as big as Wilfork that can play as much and at as high a level. I am not saying the position cannot be upgraded. I just don’t think it’s a top priority. I would much rather see us get some DE depth to help collapse the pocket. If Foles improve the way some of you believe and we add the right pieces, teams are going to become more one dimensional against us.

          • Will

            They will find one..NT is something they will continue to address it is of paramount importance in a 3-4 defense rest assured they address it ….Logan goes back to DT with Cox….Trust me on this…

          • nicksaenz1

            I won’t trust you on this. Logan has done well as a rookie who got put in the starting spot because they willingly traded Sop. Means he was better than what we thought was a proven vet. Don’t see us in the NT search until Logan proves we need to.

          • aub32

            LOL ok guy. I forgot that every team in the league that runs a 3-4 has a Wilfork quality NT. I feel much better already. Thanks.

          • Will

            Hey I realize everyone is looking as well but they are out there…we have a new NT next year one way or the other….The Draft, FA…UDFA…some how…

          • Tom W

            Nope. Maybe get a guy to push square but they had numerous options in draft to get a big fat guy and the eagles passed last year and specifically chose Logan. he had a great year. one game when we were overmanned by our coaches gameplan doesn’t require a new starting nosetackle. His height and armlength and athletic ability is half the reason Kendricks and Ryans had such good years.

          • theycallmerob

            I’d just switch our DE for OLB in your statement. In our scheme, that’s where the pocket collapses. I very much liked the performance of Cox and Thornton this year, and still think there’s potential for Curry and Kruger. Plus, if they do get a NT, Logan makes for a great backup all over the DL

          • Will

            Trent Cole said rookie. still has new car smell, ect. and didn’t deliver we need a true OLB for next year’s season….hope I don’t get banned. I think a moderator has a Trent Cole man crush but I stick by what I think and say…here goes…

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          agreed.

      • Wilbert M.

        I think our stats against the run are misleading because teams abandoned the run in several games – either because they were losing or just stupid. I agree the pass rush sucked, but it would be better if we had a dominant force in the middle, taking double teams away from Cox & Thornton.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          well then i guess every teams run stats are misleading since that happens a few times to most teams…

    • Token

      Nix had a torn meniscus? No thanks. Not in the 1st round anyway. Id rather not draft ND players in general.

      • Tom W

        preach on.

  • Andy124

    So the way the NFL is set up is to have poor teams draft near the top of each round and the good teams draft near the bottom in order to let the bad teams get better and the good teams fall back to the pack.

    Anybody concerned that we’re already in a draft position designed to bring us back to the pack vice continue to build?

    Not saying that I’d trade this season for a better draft position. Just that everyone seems awfully confident we’ll be able to continue to improve through the draft when the system as designed is intended to bring us back to the pack from where we are.

    • Will

      plus FA….we are well under the cap…

    • #7

      Nice post. Great point

    • bill

      Talent development is at least 50% coaching, outside the rare top-end talents. There’s a reason the same teams tend to be drafting at the top of the draft year after year. I feel good that the Eagles have a staff that will maximize the development of the players they draft. No guarantees, obviously, but I think they’re likely to continue having good “drafts.’

    • theycallmerob

      sure, it’s designed that way. Go tell that to the browns, bills, jags, raiders, and other teams who perpetually blow high picks. Or the Pats, who always draft late (and often blow it!) but overcome it with a HOF coach and QB.

      With the talent coming out these days, and many teams (especially top 10) drafting for need because, well, their need is what gets them there, players will always fall.

      Boykin was I think the 13th CB drafted in ’11?

      • Andy124

        There are certainly exceptions. But aren’t teams like the 9ers and Bengals excelling now because of accumulating a lot of talent from drafting high? And couldn’t the Steelers be considererd as a team that’s been drafting too late for too long to keep the cupboards fully stocked?

        Really just throwing this out there as a better conversational topic than arguing with trolls. :)

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          winning and player development is more important then draft position… way more important. the steelers have been drafting low for a very long time… so no they have had the roster stancked regardless.. look at antonio brown.. he wasnt a top pick and he is their best offensive player outside of QB. same thing with mike wallace

        • theycallmerob

          hahaha, I concur with the latter sentiment.

          The 49ers simply nailed some of their key picks- particularly their LB core. I mean, 3 for 3 with Willis/Bowman/Smith? And brooks is no bum. How many teams do that?

          And sure, Bengals are ok, but 3 straight years of 1st rd exits with their 1st rd QB who has looked terrible every playoffs; and that’s with the benefit of throwing to AJ Green and having a monster defense.

          I’d say coaching is the biggest variable. That’s how “prospects”, like a Ziggy Ansah, become studs rather than busts. Look at some of the major improvements we had from vets just this year- I’d say 99% of that credit goes to the coaches.

          1 last factor is that having a great team with few holes allows for more flexibility in draft. Look at 49ers last year, taking guys like Tank Carradine and Lattimore. You can gamble because you’re good.

          • Andy124

            Agree with all of that except that Dalton was 2nd round. :)

            Overall, I do think we should expect a little less out of this upcoming class than we got out of the last two.

        • Token

          Steelers have just made terrible picks. Which is unusual for them.

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t know. A lot of the 49ers key players were acquired later than the first round–and a lot of their difference makers came from the middle or later in the first round. Bowman was a 3rd, I think. Kaep was a 2nd. Their l highest pick on their line was the 11th pick–RU’s Anthony Davis–and the standout guys, Staley and Iupati were 28th and 17th, respectively. Boone was an UDFA, and Goodwin was a free agent signing.

          They got Justin Smith in FA, Donte Whitner in FA (who has finally lived up to his rep this year), Carlos Rogers in FA. Is the real “blue chip” addition from high in the draft just Aldon Smith? I can’t think of anyone else that’s key for them from the top 10; maybe I’m forgetting someone.

          I think the key is a competent and consistent personnel department. The returns from the past two drafts give me the highest level of confidence I’ve ever had in Howie Roseman; would like to see a true difference maker added in FA.

          • Adam

            It’s too bad we couldn’t snag someone from their personnel department to help us in FA talent evaluation ;)

          • Andy124

            Think of Logan though. Would he have been there if we were drafting late in the third instead of early in the third, or would we have had to get a lesser player? Same for Ertz in the second? All things being equal, it’s harder to build with later picks than it is with earlier picks.

          • aub32

            That logic would just that there was no player picked after Ertz that is better than Ertz, or Logan for that matter. We may not have gotten the exact same players, but let us not forget that there are players that go undrafted that are better than first round picks. Who on this board would not love to have Burfict right now. As long as the personnel department can identify the talent in the draft, we will be fine.

          • Andy124

            Don’t you straw man me mr. 32. lol Not making the argument that you can’t get good players when drafting later.

            Never said or implied that we’re screwed. Really just proposed a topic for conversation.

            And as far as any concerns, is it really debatable that the same office drafting earlier will have better odds of adding talent than when they draft later?

          • JofreyRice

            I’m not Ertz’ biggest fan. I think I called him to go for about 400 yards and 4 TDs before the season began. I don’t see a dynamic mover, or a really tough guy that drags people after the catch, or a phenomenal athlete that runs past CBs and elevates for the ball. I just see a guy that’s solid in a bunch of areas. Of course people can make the argument that he’s going to get better with time, but has he really “flashed” that? Are the athletic skills such that it seems he’s only scratching the surface of his potential, or does he look like a polished, competent TE? I think it’s more latter than former. Then it comes down to, is a guy like that a 2nd rounder? I’m not sure, but I defer to Kelly.

            And they may not have gotten Logan, but there were some other good players in that area. Matthieu, Jordan Reed, Keenan Allen, etc. I think it really comes down to the personnel dept., which is why I was so focused on that, and had Howie under the electron, for so long.

          • theycallmerob

            I’d throw Vernon Davis and Crabtree in there, too- both very high picks.
            But you’re correct otherwise. And not just scouting but coaching- every FA you listed was on another team and let go, then came to a better situation and performed at a higher level. testament to the organization.

          • aub32

            Many of them were on the 9ers and didn’t produce near the level they are producing now for Harbaugh.

    • nicksaenz1

      I think the GMs and personnel departments matter just as much in this. Teams like the Ravens have been plenty good despite always picking in the 20s or slotted lower. The Niners are following that suit now, too. Think we have the people in place to make the good selections and improve.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      ummmm good players fall in the draft happens every single year… and 22 isnt bad.. its a decent spot to where its possible to move up a few spots without giving up to much…

    • jabostick

      To a point. But I don’t necessarily see the difference between picking 22 and, say, 14 other than the flexibility a higher pick gives you to move around. Given that we’re not desperate for a QB, there’s plenty of talent to be found at 22, if the scouting/GMing goes right.

    • aub32

      There are good players to be had outside of the top 10. We have star players in Shady and DJax. We have studs on D. There’s also FA to fill in those few spots we won’t be able to fill. Also not every play in the top 10 pans out. Don’t worry dude. The NFL is doing it right.

  • Will

    Going to be a very interesting off season watching the Eagles moves in FA and the Draft…

  • Token

    Well….. here we go with DeSean.

    On locker clean out day, DeSean says he deserves a new contract: “I definitely feel it’s something deserving. We’ll see how that plays out.”

    DeSean: “Hopefully we can work things out smoothly & not have to worry about anything out of the ordinary. I definitely feel it’s deserving”

    • cliff henny

      even he knows he’s not getting 12.5m. contract carries 6m dead, so somewhere in middle, another 3 yrs with low dead money at end.

      • Token

        Yea, I wish he thought that way. But he doesnt. After this year hes gonna think he deserves top 3 money. Maybe the bonus would be enough, we will see.

    • theycallmerob

      he’ll be extended at a lower cost to the team. not sure why it’s news. A guy can still get paid without putting a $12 mil dent in the cap

    • #7

      Lol. Gotta love #10. I understand though. They have to get all the money they can in this game. He shreds a knee and he dumped like a piece of trash. No loyalty in this game

    • aub32

      So the guy speaks about wanting financial security and it’s a problem? This is the NFL. I don’t see you up in arms when a guy gets cut due to injury.

      • Token

        Yea i feel pretty bad for him. Just got paid not even two calender years ago. Dunno how hes feeding his family.

        People that feel bad for players drive me nuts. Even the guys who only stick for a year or two got free educations at top schools. Feeling bad for players paid like Jackson really makes no sense.

        • #7

          Would be different if you were the player out there…

          Sure, it’s not good for team chemistry, but I don’t blame the players for getting all they can get. It’s a business, remember? Yet you only see it from a fan’s perspective. Selfish on your part. The dude wants to get paid and I don’t blame any player that tries to get more. Contracts are not guaranteed. Prime example is MJD down in JAX. Model player and great example of a teammate in a losing city, outplayed his contract, and now they held that against him, he gets hurt, and now prime years are over.

          • Token

            Its just weird to me.

            I could care less about players. I dont know these people. They arent my family. Im a fan of a team. Whatever it takes to put the team in the best position im for it. Jackson isnt logical. Id hope hed be happy with just the bonus. But I dont know that.

          • #7

            So if you were a player you would take less and never ask for a raise in a business without guaranteed contracts.

            You would be the ultimate team player…and doormat

    • Will

      Djax will get 8 mil instead of 12 million, even DJax knows he won’t see 12 million no way…

      • aub32

        He will likely see aroundd 25-30 million guaranteed. Who cares what the per year number is.

        • Will

          I am concerned with the cap hit…This team has needs and FA is one way to help if we have the $ to spend…

          • Tom W

            Eagles aren’t big spenders in free agency…20 mil plus the money from cut guys is way more than enough …we don’t build through free agency .. cheapish midlevel guys except for maybe Byrd or Ward or Clemons

          • Will

            2 Veteran Safeties is all I care about besides an NT…for our D…

  • Tom W

    Free agency is first — and several months ahead of draft.

    Based on last year’s strategy, and how well it worked… the eagles will look to address any needs w tall/big low risk/mid upside 25-27 yr old mid tier players. The exception could be Byrd bc of his Oregon connection and top 3 safety talent and the fact that we our 2 yrs ahead of schedule. But there are cheaper quality options at safety AND Bills could easily franchise Byrd (27) again. Tj Ward (27) was a Duck, Chris Clemons (28) is good, Hitner is okay (but 28 and more of SS) and Major Wright (25).

    Corner depth, dl depth, wr depth will be addressed in free agency.

    Expect a moderate deal for Cooper and a one year prove it deal for Maclin.

    Bring back Geathers for a year and have him compete w Krueger.

    Resign Jones

    Steal Captain Munnerlyn – big young corner

    TRADE Cole or Graham — need another pick — Cole reinvigorated his trade value and Graham had a good year … Cole is blocking Graham and/or Graham isnt a real deal olb. Either way, they are redundant and expensive. Be nice to atleast get a third round pick for one of them. Neither offers any upside that cannot be replaced by the other.

    Assume vick gets a job somewhere else, draft a developmental qb.

    Draft – go BPA for first four rounds — could land us a wr in rd1 – remember last year — supposedly Chip had Cyprien, Ertz, Justin Hunter ranked in rd2 and added A. Benn. Chip certainly believes wr is important and upgradeable. Cooper changes that a bit but he will want another bigger wr. Loads of big wrs w first round talent.

    Trade up candidates – Titans at 11 for Barr or Mack

    Needs:
    Upgrade at Corner 4 and 5

    Upgrade at Backup C/Guard (2 in 1)

    Upgrade at Backup OLB behind Barwin to replace Cole/Graham following year

    Upgrade at Starting Safety (1) and bring in a young safety (3) to compete w Wolff (2) …

    Upgrade at backup DL depth (5th and/or 6th DL to compete w Square and Geathers and Krueger)

    Upgrade at WR(3) (4) (5) –

    backqb (3) assuming Chip believes Barkley can backup Foles

  • cliff henny

    hope kelly and foles are ready for ’14, honeymoon period is O-V-E-R, kid gloves will be coming off. i was about as relaxed and forgiving as i have ever been this year, certainly 27/2 and 10-6 helped. not that i’m not happy and excited these guys are face of franchise, but for most part, they had longest rope i’ve ever seen. expecting big 2nd yr jumps for both.

    • Token

      I just dunno about that. Brutal schedule. Still a team with many holes to fill. Probably too many for one offseason. Im concerned about our performance against playoff caliber teams this year. The easy schedule may have set us up for a letdown next year. Of course who knows, depends what talent we bring in.

      • #7

        Well said

      • cliff henny

        never can tell the with schedule. eagles wont be giving home losses away next yr. pretty sure eagles will be better. the flaws are pretty obvious, and easily fixed. draft and needs line up, and cap is excellent, they’ll get some guys.

        • Token

          I read 18 mil cap space. And thats before the releasing of obvious guys that frees up more space. But they may want to carry over some for 2015 when theres a number of guys up for extensions.

          Signing Byrd would make me feel better going into the draft. Theres just not many safeties to be had this year.

          Im curious to see who gets cut.

          I think Cole should be let go. Saves 2 mil even with the cap hit.

          In a perfect world you can say he can rotate off the bench. But Saturday kind of showed thats not gonna happen.

          Graham was outplaying Cole, I think pretty obviously against the Saints. But because hes Trent Cole, he got way more snaps. Easier said then done to have a former star play a lesser role. Better to just move on.

          The hit youd take this year is only 1.6 mil more than it would be next offseason

          • cliff henny

            it’s close to 21m. eaglescap.com
            .
            why take the dead money hit, only opens 1.8m, so have to find someone who equals his play for that. can release casey mathews to make room for rookie pick. i’m keeping both cole and graham as depth. then releasing them to clear cap in ’15, along with herrmanns most likely and c williams too, he’ll clear 7m alone.

          • theycallmerob

            If neither can play the JACK well, why keep 2 guys for depth? where are these snaps coming from? You need someone behind Barwin too, and they don’t rotate as much as the DL does. I don’t see a need for 6 OLBs on the roster, I’d rather have more DBs

          • Token

            You cant keep a guy for that reason. Onward and upward. Cole had a great swan song for a few games there. Buts hes done. As I said, You only save 1.6 mil by waiting another year. Better to get it done with. It can do nothing but stunt the growth of whoever they draft IMO. Trent Cole will start if hes on the team. Regardless of play. Herremans, obviously, is in that same boat.

          • cliff henny

            can certainly june 1st both, but think cole can be nickle d-line guy. when you cut a guy,there is replacement costs you like to ignore. cole’ s never struck me as a non team player. think he’s understand a new role.

          • Token

            I dont think its a Cole problem necessarily. But coaches will start him if hes on the team. Dont act like that doesnt happen. If it were just performance he wouldnt have started the entire year. Graham would have played most of the Saints game when he clearly had more of a advantage.

            I dont look at replacement costs because I dont think it matters. Its a overall number. Its a overall savings of 2 million on the cap vs what they would have had to pay. That 2 million doesnt have to net you another OLB starter.

          • cliff henny

            june 1st, he’d clear closer to 4m this year. 1.8m would carry over to ’15. see both ways, just think cole has value as nickle specialist, mentor and backup. graham can just get splinters for cap reasons. he has no trade value. f him, if he wants playing time, figure out a way to beat out a 31 yr old vet on a dead contract.

        • Breezy

          Not having a qb carousel during the middle of the season would be huge to the outcome of a season

      • aub32

        The schedule will be tougher with us having to play the NFCW, but it will be tougher for the rest of our division too. We still have one of the more talented rosters in the league and more than enough cap room to fill the holes in our secondary and depth around the roster. So I for one will view failure to make the playoffs next year as a negative for Kelly, the FO, and the players.

        • theycallmerob

          afc south as well. it’s a wash.

          • aub32

            So we should win at least 10 games just by beating our division and the actual worst divsion in football.

          • theycallmerob

            yup.
            And NFCW may decline a bit, ARI and STL need QBs and OL help. SEA has a year or so before cap issues. And Kaep doesn’t blow me away in SF, Gore is getting older, and Crabtree is still their only decent wideout (of course Vernon is a star too). They don’t make me weak in the knees.

          • cliff henny

            really hate the kelly/foles vs mobile qb arguement…but watching kaep’s legs win that game yesterday made me wish foles had more running ability than almost none.

          • theycallmerob

            his legs have been shut down plenty this year. sure it’s nice, no one denies that. Still put up less points than Foles in his playoff game :)

          • Token

            Yet like the play before that he threw the game away. Man, its crazy how one play can totally change the view on a player. The Packers dont drop that pick and im curious what the stories would be.

            Im soooo over the mobile QB thing. People we have had mobile QBs for DECADES now. THEY DONT WIN JACK! Can we please please just put it to bed? How are fans of this team especially not over it completely?

          • Adam

            Madden era of football fans.

          • cliff henny

            should have been pick 6 for sure. plus kaep on 1st long run had davis standing alone, right infront of him and totally missed him. kaep ever loses a step, he’s not a top 20 qb. be interesting what 9ers do when his rookie deal comes to an end.

      • Adam

        To me it’s just about being better than the rest of the NFC East next year, which I don’t think will be hard. You get another playoff game or 2 for a young rebuilding team, and in year 3 of the Kelly era you’re ready for a deep run.

        • #7

          Tough to say that Adam. It’s been “worse to first” in the NFC East the last couple of years. Can’t see why it can’t happen again

          • Adam

            It might happen, but it also might not. Past trends like that are silly to get caught up in.

        • Token

          Cant help but expect the Giants to comeback. Dallas will always linger.

          Redskins, who knows. That D blows and they may well lose Orakpo. If he gets loose id def take a look at him.

          But from the people they are interviewing, nobody worries me. Jay Gruden? Not even sure why he gets HC interviews to be honest. Vastly overrated.

  • Adam

    Dan Patrick just said the NFL is adding another wildcard team to each conference next year. Not sure what to think of that. More chances to make the show I guess.

    • Will

      The Dallas rule…lol….more $ for the NFL…lol….

      • cliff henny

        wouldnt of helped this year.

        • Will

          Why are they just adding 1 more team?

    • cliff henny

      only 1 team gets bye? dumb, just add 2 and get it over with.

      • Will

        Yup…silly….lol….

      • Adam

        Either that or the bottom 2 play a win and you’re in game. Which is more dumb

        • cliff henny

          how’d that get scheduled? just have them play thursday night then sunday. hey, nfl did it the eagles at the beginning of this yr.

          • Adam

            2 games in one additional weekend probably, just another day the NFL could milk the fans and advertisers. I wouldn’t put it past them.

          • cliff henny

            play in game doesnt work. top 2 teams get 2 week bye and first weekend of playoff only has 2 games. add that they want 18 games and additional bye week added, super bowl will be played in end of march early april.
            .
            jesus, these owners are f’n billionaires…how much is enough?! you’d think the prestige of franchise ownership be enough? greed, it’s just disgusting

    • theycallmerob

      doesn’t that stuff come up in the owner’s meetings, which hasn’t happened yet? and would it really go into effect this season if true? Not sure I buy that

      • Adam

        Well they’re saying that if Dan Patrick is saying that it means he might have inside info with enough owners who would support the idea.

        • theycallmerob

          personally, I hate it. Dawkins had a good answer in his response on ESPN when Jerry’s comments came out. I’m tired of watering down the competition for $. The NCAA b-ball tournament has like half the friggin D-I teams these days, and almost everyone gets to go to a bowl game.

          • cliff henny

            stinks, 6 teams is perfect. hope they dont goto 8 then and then expand to 36 teams.

          • theycallmerob

            that ruined the NHL for me. Half the league should be northern american teams, half canadian, each it’s own conference. Because they actually care. why the f*ck should tampa bay or phoenix have a hockey team?

          • Adam

            NHL switched the dumbest conference formats I’ve ever seen. 16 teams in one and 14 in the other. 30 team league/2 conferences and you split it like that ?!!?! SO. DUMB.

          • theycallmerob

            i blame canada.

            nah, I can’t even say that in jest….Gary Bettman is the devil

          • Adam

            It’s Detroit’s fault.

          • cliff henny

            i cant even figure out points for standings. change crap every other year. only sport i play no attention to.

          • cliff henny

            nfl wants teams in london, vegas, LA mexico dontforgt about canada. get berlin a team too. wait 20 yrs, be so watered down. and you and i will still be arguing after whether to cut or keep a 4th yr disappointing player…junkies

          • Token

            Theres not enough talent to go around as is. Ugh Goodell.

          • cliff henny

            oh, forgot, 18 games so rosters have to be expanded by 10. get up to 40 teams with 55 active, 70 overall, and fewer and fewer kids playing because soccer moms are worried about concussions…chung types will be impact players in 15 yrs. hope this takes 40 yrs, so i’ll be pushing up daisies and not having to watch it….cause, you know i will

          • #7

            Will be the NBA in 10 years if we go that route. Like you said, watered down

    • Token

      This league is killing itself.

    • Andy124

      Hate it.

  • Brandon

    I don’t see why you can’t cut Avant then bring back both Cooper and Maclin. Eagles have plenty cap space and Chip has shown he prefers to go spread with 3 WRs the majority of the time. A trio of DJax, Maclin, and Coop is a pretty formidable group IMO, then you don’t have to waste a pick on a WR and can concentrate on the true needs of the team, DEFENSE.

    • cliff henny

      avant is only 700k dead money vs 3.9m salary. he’s like celek (4m can be cleared for no dead $), such a big fan favorite, tough to talk about letting these guys go. add 1 or 2 wrs from the draft, could be a beast of a group. want to see a true slot recr taken too. what eagles’ fan doesnt hate cruz, or the newest one beasley at dallas. guys that have that ability to get open over middle and get 7 on 3rd and 6 consistantly. man, i hate those guys, but would love to have one

    • Wilbert M.

      You nailed it! Cut Avant (the anti-YAC) and sign Maclin. Then spend all the draft picks on D.

  • DJ007

    We have a lot of holes fo fill before we could even think of superbowl (from highest to lowest priority: OLB, S, CB, WR, OG, ILB, NT

    Plan for free agency:

    - Cut: Alex “BLOWS” Henery, P.Chung, C. Matthews, J. Maehl, C. Marsh, M.Vick
    - Sign: TJ Ward or Bernard Pollard (S), P. Soliai (NT), L. Tynes (K)
    - Resign: N. Allen & Coleman (Backup Safetys), R.Cooper & J.Maclin & A.Benn
    (cheap deals), D. Jones (multi-year extension), C. Geathers (Backup DL)

    - Draft: Trade down 1.Rd pick to end of 1.Round to pick up additional 3rd round pick
    1.Rd: Edge-Rusher – Kyle van Noy (OLB, 6-3/245)
    2.Rd: Marcus Roberson (CB, 6-0/195)
    3.Rd: Martavis Bryant (WR, 6-4/200)
    3.Rd: Terrence Brooks (FS, 5-11/200)
    4.Rd: Tajh Boyd (QB, 6-1/225)
    5.Rd: Max Bullough (ILB, 6-3/245)
    5.Rd: Brandon Thomas (OG, 6-3/315)
    7.Rd: Ted Bolser (TE, 6-6/252)

  • DayToday

    Wouldnt you have loved for the eagles to have traded for josh gordon earlier this season….