‘Mental Busts’ Sink Eagles

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Eventually, the Eagles players may find solace in the fact that they overachieved in their first year under Chip Kelly. They might look at the foundation that was built and realize their time and effort was well-invested. But on Saturday night, following a gut-wrenching home playoff loss to the Saints, they were in no mood to feed into that narrative.

Instead, they were struggling with the reality that they had let a very winnable game slip out of their hands.

“We lost to a team that wasn’t necessarily better than us,” said Cary Williams. “They weren’t better than us, but they were better tonight. They got the job done. It was more mental than physical out there, and we had a lot of mental busts.”


The one freshest in Williams' mind was the special teams letdown that he was part of. The Eagles, having just taken a 24-23 lead late in the fourth quarter, lost contain on the ensuing kickoff and Darren Sproles sprung loose for 39 yards. Williams brought him down with a horse-collar tackle, adding 15 yards to the play and setting up New Orleans at the Philadelphia 48. The Saints didn't have far to go to get in field goal range, and were able to set up the game-winner as time expired.

That was just one several letdowns that proved costly in a tight game.

There was the sequence following Bradley Fletcher's first-half interception in which the offense marched all the way down to the Saints' 15-yard line, only to lose 19 yards on the next two plays. An eight-yard loss on a Brent Celek screen and an 11-yard Nick Foles sack, in which he held onto the ball for entirely too long, altered the fortunes of the drive. After a four-yard LeSean McCoy run, Alex Henery knuckled a 48-yard field goal attempt wide left.

"We did a good job of protecting the ball but we didn't do a very good job offensively of capitalizing off of their turnovers," said Chip Kelly. "We need to come away with seven instead of three to begin with...I think they did a better job than us at executing in these situations, and their red zone defense was better than our red-zone offense."

Then there was the drop.

Riley Cooper sat near the end of the bench, head down, as receivers coach Bob Bicknell hovered above him. Once the position coach was finished giving his two cents, the injured Jeremy Maclin walked over to deliver a fist bump and some encouragement. Then came Foles, who took a seat to Cooper’s left. A pat on the leg, a few words, three quick pats on the back of the helmet. Head back down.

Cooper had just dropped an easy ball on a crossing route, turning a huge gainer into a three-and-out, and at a most critical point in the game. It came in the third quarter immediately following a Lance Moore touchdown that put the Saints up 13-7. Instead of regaining the momentum, the Eagles had to punt it right back to New Orleans, which promptly drove right down the field for another touchdown.

“It’s a part of the game. It happened at a crappy time, for sure. It was my second drop of the year,” said Cooper. “It’s tough, definitely, but name one receiver who catches them all, you know?”

Was it a matter of turning your head upfield before it was secured?

“Yeah,” Cooper said dismissively. “Y’all got anything else to talk about?”

Another reporter turned the line of questioning towards his touchdown catch. “There you go,” Cooper said before going into detail about that play.

It went beyond those individual moments. Jason Avant noted that it took the offense longer than it should have to decode and adjust to what Rob Ryan and the Saints were doing on defense. What should have taken a series or two, he said, took an entire half.

"Once you get it, the game plan starts to unfold in our favor," said the veteran receiver, "and we didn't see it in time."

Maybe some of this can be chalked up to youth and inexperience. That wasn't how most of the players in the locker room were looking at it. They just saw an opportunity squandered.

"When you're playing in a playoff game and everything is so magnified and every play is huge and critical to the success of the team, you can't have mental busts out there," said Williams. "It's frustrating because we were the better team but they beat us tonight."

  • jesse

    Feel like the offence and Foles particular were a little hesitant at the start .that sack was really costly felt the D played good good enough to win letbup a lot on the ground but that based on stopping breeze and the passing that last kickoff killed us . felt like once we gave up the first should have gave up a quick free TD so we could get the ball back with some time. Felt the O had found its footing and could have got the TD for the win if we got it back down 6.
    But over all good year looking forward to some good FA pick ups another good draft

    • GW.Fisher

      Foles took a bad sack and an intentional grounding after waiting waaaay to long to get it out of there. Otherwise considering he left the field ahead 24-23 he played well enough to win. And again no INT’s.

    • Will

      Thank you Eagles you played your hearts out this year…this is a tough loss for a lot of reasons, mostly because it was a very winnable game that slipped through your hands.Giving up 1st downs on 3 QB sneaks really hurt. A true NT should be on the shopping list….

  • DutchEagle

    I don’t hear that many people about Chip’s clock management, but would you have given the football back to Brees to win the game on a FG with 6 minutes left? Didn’t think so..

    They should’ve run the clock out some more on that last TD drive in my opinion. I hope this doesn’t turn out to become a persistent problem..

    But good season overall, better luck next year!

    • aislephive

      New Orleans would have had plenty of time to march down the field no matter how Kelly orchestrated that touchdown drive. I think giving them the ball with that much time left is actually the best thing he could do to try and ensure there was time left if the Saints scored, but the way it turned out they were able to run the clock out. It happens.

    • bentheimmigrant

      I think Chip cared about scoring. With an open shot like that to Jackson, you’ve got to take it. Running out the clock would be great, but can you really afford to turn down a chance to score when you’re trailing in a playoff game?

      • DutchEagle

        Well, it’s a dilemma of course. But I had a bad feeling about giving the ball back with that much time on the clock with only a FG needed. The Saints looked really in control from the minute the got the ball back, and the Eagles haven’t shown great 4th quarter game strategy all season. Definitely something to work on!

    • Token

      You have to score there. You arent running 9 minutes off the clock. That is very rare. Giving the Saints the ball with 5 minutes was what you want. Normally youd have a chance to get the ball back if they scored. Kickoff ruined all that.

  • Beastmode

    Offense and defense played well enough to win-despite being short in key players on both sides of the ball which will be addressed in upcoming year. We got one of the youngest teams in the league, good front office and coaching, and are millions under the cap.
    Chin up y’all. Chips gonna be fucking pissed and out for blood next year!

  • GW.Fisher

    Williams skips the horse collar and we have the ball down 6 with 4:30 left. At least we would have had a chance. I was calling for the Eagles to let them score after first down # 2 on that drive so we’d get another shot at it…

    Good year, ready to watch Chip & Howie start to bring in Chip Kelly type players. Chip took Andy’s guys as far as he could, time to build something.

  • William

    Not be a Darrell Downer but at the end of the day , the Eagles lost a game they should of won. Brees gave us chances with his mistakes and we squandered them and made out own . I dont believe in Mental victories, the league is too good and too difficult . Now teams have tape on Foles, and Kelly. Remember the year the lions went from worst to one of the best and what did they do since but get their coach fired .Kapernick was unstoppable last year and the Niners were handed this years Super Bowl it seemed but now their in the wild card. Where did the Panthers come from ….you never know? I know the future is bright and the Eagles should be a lot better next year but it isn’t a definite, injuries, bad calls, bad luck , it happens ……Losing sucks no matter what the excuse ……but thank you Eagles for an exciting and encouraging ride. Let’s hope you feel the same awful bitter taste in your mouths that. I feel and mine by 10

    • SwaggDaddy

      I agree 100%. I keep telling people who say the future is bright that you never know what the future holds. In 2010, we barely lost to GB in the playoffs because of two missed FGs. That off season, many picked Philly to win the SB and we didn’t get close the following season. After last season, many thought Wash would be a powerhouse for years to come and this year they are back in dismay. You just cannot take the playoffs for granted. We were the better team last night without a doubt and we should’ve made a deep playoff run. Now we can only hope for the best, but future success is not guaranteed.

  • Flying Eagle

    Thank you Eagles. Thank you for restoring faith in our team. We have a great coach. We have our franchise QB. We have a 3-4 defense that plays like a Philly defense. We have at least 5 more years more years of an all pro running attack. We have real linebackers. We have plenty of young players that are only going to get better. We have our home field back. We have a reason to cheer.

    • GEAGLE

      Well said

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    • macadood

      definitely looking good for the future. however a lot of chip kelly’s drives are starting to look the same – incomplete pass on first down, run with shady for 4 yards on second, then a big third down that they usually don’t convert on and BOOM, 3 and out just like that. as bad as a turnover really.

    • BrickSquadMonopoly

      5 more years lol ya right. Its only a matter of time before shady gets hurt so many touches look at AP…Shadys no AP

      • Joe from Easton

        Shady doesn’t take hard hits like AP does. He probably takes a good solid hit less than any back in the league IMO <—- I know that's certainly a hypothetical, but really, he always seems to just turtle up on contact. It's one of my favorite parts about his game.

  • jakethesnake

    bummed out but the defensive line got dominated….could not stop the run….even so birds shoulda won……bad sack by st. nick, drop by coop, ……but your not gonna play a perfect game….if henery puts every kick out of the end zone like the Cowboys kicker we still probably win…..overall a very good year….

  • Media Mike

    Mental busts:
    - signing Patrick Chung instead of Glover Quin
    - signing “Spooky” instead of Terrance Knighton
    - not having a kicker who can consistently make 45 yard + FGs and kick touchbacks……..and not giving our kicker any competition in training camp

    • GEAGLE

      Yo dude

      • Media Mike

        huh?

        • GEAGLE

          Never mind…tried to respond to one of your posts and I thought you also got banned

          • Media Mike

            Odd. Something weird is going on with disqus today I think.

          • GEAGLE

            Seems like it…

    • hillbillybirdsfan

      Knighton would have come in handy on those QB sneaks. I’m not slamming Logan at all, I think he’s got a really bright future here. I just think he’s best suited to playing end in this system and sliding inside on passing downs.

      • Media Mike

        Logan is 100% an end based on his size. A NT in a straight up 3-4 needs to be a giant dancing bear of a man. I wouldn’t mind drafting Nix to fit that role. We need a massive human being to play NT.

        • theycallmerob

          Yes. But they’re as hard to come by as franchise QBs (at least the good ones that aren’t just fat bodies).

          Logan had a great year. Of course he’s undersized, and he’ll pry put on some weight. But he was a 3rd round rookie DE/DT who played lights out almost all year at NT.
          I’m not saying we don’t need an upgrade. But he was far from the goat (or only goat) of last night, let alone the year.

          • GEAGLE

            Personally, I would be very surprised if Logan wasn’t your starter yet…….by now, we should have learned to have more patience with young players then this…

          • theycallmerob

            see below; im not being impatient. NT in a 2gap is just not his natural position. I don’t want 2 guys we’re forcing to get away from their strengths (Curry AND Logan)

          • GEAGLE

            Rob…No TEAM ran on Logan For his ENTIRE ROOKIE YEAR. last night, our NICKLE defense is what got Trampled..our Nickle defense isn’t what was shutting down everyones run game all year….how can I not feel like this is a bit over reaction after 1 game….when NO ONE ELSE Ran on us since September?
            ..
            Like I said, Dline is a rotation so I really don’t care who starts…you just won’t get me to talk about what Rookies CANT do very often… I need to see more then our Nickle defense getting run on one time….but I couldn’t stomach watching the tape yet…

          • theycallmerob

            look up about 5 posts. i just said that. don’t know what you’re arguing, and no need to post the same thing 11 times. Logan is still not a natural NT

          • hillbillybirdsfan

            I don’t think any of us are knocking Logan. I think he very admirably held down a position that lacked prototypical size. I liked him fine, I just like him better projecting as a bookend with Cox at the ends.

          • Richard Colton

            I wouldn’t use the fact we couldn’t generate pressure with our front three last night to take away what was otherwise a good start to the D-Line. I’m encouraged with these three – Cox/Logan/Thornton, and even Curry.

          • Media Mike

            I agree with you, but we need one. I like Logan’s game, I just see it better suited for end.

          • JofreyRice

            So many sub packages nowadays, to combat the passing, it seems like even the really good ones are only part time players. You’re not grabbing a Wilfork like talent in the 4th round, but I think if you have a specific role and skillset for a guy, you can find it.

            Damon Harrison, of the Jets, played about 500 snaps, but was huge in that defense’s ability to stop the run. Dan Williams played even less than that, but was able to affect opposing running games. What’s interesting is, maybe a more undersized guy is what Davis wants in a NT. With all the A-Gap blitzing, maybe he likes the quickness advantage; it always struck me as odd that 290 pound Damion Square was the backup NT.

            Don’t want to break out the pitchforks on Logan, I think he’s a talented kid, with a solid future. Like you said, maybe just not cut out for the nose. Overall, the defense missed 10 tackles last night–DeMeco, Kendricks, Chung, pretty much everyone took a turn. Compare that with the Saints, who missed 2. Tough to win like that, when the offense takes a half to get going and STs puts you in a position like that at the end of the game.

      • JofreyRice

        Totally agree in terms of Logan. I think he can be a great end. Light feet and active for a big guy; he’s better than I thought he was when they drafted him. With the amount of downs the D will have to play, I don’t think you can have too many DEs to rotate in.

        I think they could take their pick of the best End players, and lose one of Square, Geathers, or whomever. Add a guy like Paul Soliai from Miami. Huge power pig that clogs up the whole center of the line and can’t be blocked one on one, and add an up and coming player like Jerrell Powe, Linval Joseph, or someone from the draft.

    • Maggie

      Amazing how hindsight is always perfect. Amazing how the Eagles are the only team out there drafting and signing players. Amazing how easy the GM;s job, the Personnel Manager’s job and all the coaches’ jobs are from your basement.

  • GEAGLE

    This hurts….I’m in pain

  • GEAGLE

    Sign:
    BJ Raji
    Jarius Byrd

    Draft
    kelvin Benjamin
    Jarvis Landry
    Jeffcoat
    G
    CB
    S

    And we are set!

    Problems solved lol

    • Token

      Raji is inconsistent. And apparently wants more than 8 million a year. I wouldnt touch him.

      As ive said, they need another ILB too. If Kendricks makes just one or two stops it could have made a difference. They need someone who can be a clog in the middle and put a stop to the gashing runs.

      • Media Mike

        That players needs to be 250-270lbs. Think pre 300lb Kirkland.

      • GEAGLE

        Problem with Raji! is that there aren’t that many big boy free agent tackles out there….and our Dline is young enough to where I would rather add a veteran then another youngbuck…same with safety, sure I’d like to draft a safety, but we are contenders next year, so we can’t go to war with Rookie safety and sophomore Wolff..
        ….
        Other then Raji! the other free agents are stylistically like the linemen we have..for example, what would we do I it’s lamarr Houston? He is a 3technique, we have plenty of them already

        Shede Hagemen and Louis nix will get a look in round 1

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t know about ILB…

        If we really want to spend draft picks on back up ILB…then I would prefer Van Noy…they view him as an OLB, I would have him backup Barwin for a few years(so Casey Mathews never lines up at OLB), and then in a few years when Meco is ready to move on, Van Noy slides inside to play ILB…reminds me of Mike Vrabel….Big Kid, physical, can rush the passer and Drop in coverage…

        Van Noy,Kendricks,Barwin give you some TOP NOTCH linebacker coverage…

        Also don’t think that we have seen the best of Naje Goode yet???one thing we should have learned is with time! good coaching develops young players

        • Token

          Im not talking about a backup. Im talking about a starter.

          They may not b able to address it this year. A lot of other needs. But I think by the time they are a truly good D, they will need a better ILB.

          Kendricks just because of physical ability will happen into splash plays. But the guy is just inconsistent for that position in this scheme. You need more of a steady guy. Someone who can consistently make the right read and bring down the ball carrier. Kendricks isnt that guy. Last night even on the play where he burst through the line he over pursued and missed the tackle.

          Maybe you replace Ryans in another year or two instead. But however you slice it, I think they need a better guy there.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude…don’t waste my time with nonsense…
            ,,,
            If there is NO SHOT, our coach will replace exsisting starters, then I don’t want to waste time talking about it…

            Kevricks and Meco are Your ILBs for the next two years, Cary and Brad are the corners. Yous can get used to it, or spend your time talking about nonsense…if you were to ask Chip about replacing Meco and Kendrick he would friggin Laugh at you….so I don’t want to talk about it

          • Byter

            The Eagles need to stick to their (publicized) mantra, draft the best available player and have open competition at all positions. Your 4 players will be the incumbent starters but they should be pushed in camp by either draft picks or FA’s.

          • GEAGLE

            Duh…but if you think Meco!Kendrick!Cary and Brad won’t all be starting next year!then you are mistaken

            I’m ok with drafting any position…wanting Van Noy should prove that…..but we already know who the starting CBs and ILBs are…you can take that to the bank

            Talking about replacing The heart of your defense/defensive QB Meco, and one of the TOP YOUNG ILBs in the game, is FOOLISH!!! Now if you want to talk about drafting a kid who can take over for Meco in two years! that makes sense???if you want to talk to me about looking for starting ILBs, For next year, then it’s Meco and Kemdrick

          • Byter

            I don’t think I made a point of replacing those guys. I agree with you there. What I don’t think is that they’re irreplaceable.

          • GEAGLE

            Well my comments were in response to someone who said he wasn’t talking about backups…

            Allocation of resources!!! Meco and Kendricks are your starters… Kendrick will be a star…Meco is so valuable. Chip adores both….I would like a better player at every position…but it don’t work that way…allocation of resources!!!
            ..
            We also get back Jason Phillips for depth

      • theycallmerob

        He had a bad game after a good year. Not my biggest concern. OLB more than ILB. Still have young guys in Knott and Goode. But I wouldn’t draft ilb lower than 4th/5th

        • Media Mike

          4th or 5th is where you can get a good competent 3-4 ILB. I like that strategy. We need a thumper there.

          • theycallmerob

            Lamin Barrow, LSU.
            Has some safety experience too, kinda like a Kam Chancellor. 6-2, 230 (as of now). their #18 this year, like Logan last year (d-captain and person of character).

          • GEAGLE

            Like what I’m reading…not familiar enough to speak on him yet tho…I haven’t paid attention to any ILBs this year….what round does he project?
            ….
            I don’t think we can find a better replacement for Meco in two years then Van Noy…right now, no one talks about his ILB potential, but once the draft process starts “experts will figure out he can be a good ILB”
            ..
            If a good coach gets him, he will become Mike Vrabel

          • theycallmerob

            mid-round. value pick

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you…

        • Token

          Yea like I said, prolly cant afford to address it this year.

          But I think splash plays cloud the overall play of Kendricks. Hes incredibly inconsistent. I think particularly in this scheme thats a big problem for your ILB.

          • theycallmerob

            like most guys, this year was learning scheme. next year is technique. we have tremendous LB coaches.

            I’m willing to give him the off-season. ILB will probably be a more pressing need in the ’15 draft regardless, but I still have high hopes for Kendricks. He was coming on towards the end. Just needs more disciplined play which can be coached.

          • GEAGLE

            Star player in the making…by this time next year EVERYONE will KNOW IT!!!

    • Byter

      Also need Cox to step up. He disappeared towards the end of the season. He gets more accolades than he deserves because he does flash. It’s not good when a UDF (Thorton) does better than you.

      • Token

        I think you are downplaying Cox’s impact on the D overall. In this scheme he will never be a sack machine.

        • Byter

          Maybe but I think a 1st round pick should be a little more than a standard 2-gap block eater. Thorton does that and still manages to create more pressure. Perhaps a true pass rushing OLB will create more opportunities for him.

          • Token

            Well then its a argument of how Davis uses him.

          • GEAGLE

            You are seriously selling Cox short

          • GEAGLE

            Hollis Thomas watched the coaching tape and said Cox actually played pretty well…saying the problem was they took advantage running on our Nickle knowing we didn’t have a safety that would come up and knock the crap out of the running back…said the saints new we were weak at safety and wanted to pick on them, they just did it thru the ground instead of the air

  • GEAGLE

    I’m sick….just sick…

    Our young QB handled himself really well in his first game, we shut down Jimmy Graham like I knew we would….the one thing I NEVER expected was our un penetrate run defense getting run over by the saints….I understand we were selling out to stop the pass…but it’s obvious we need to add more size to that Dline,.,they were sneaking for 6 yards at a time….

    Our backup NT can’t be as tiny as Damian Square…if we aren’t getting Shede Hagemen, then I want someone 330lbs plus

    • anon

      our starting NT can’t be as small as benny logan.

      • GEAGLE

        I think Benny is your starting NT…I don’t believe he will be replaced as a starter…I also don’t believe he is done putting on weight…
        ..
        I’m a defensive guy…so I’m down to improve every defensive position, But I will say that I would be surprised if Logan isn’t the starter

        • theycallmerob

          Geags, I think he can be upgraded. Always meant to be a DE/DT.
          Love the kid, love the effort he gave, but in a true 34 2gap we need better in there. There is no shame in having 2 stellar DLs (Curry and Logan on bench, plus maybe Kruger next year). the kid can play, especially against more mobile QBs and spread attacks, but ground&pound teams will always make his life tough.

          • GEAGLE

            In a passing league, I have a feeling we like his combo of strength, agility, and long arms…heck I’d be Ok with drafting Nix in round 1…at the END of the be DAY, I WANT a 6 BEAST rotation at Dline..and I couldn’t care less who starts…but if you ask me who I think will be the starting NT, I think Logan….but I’m damn sure not opposed to a dancing bear Dontari Poe type in the lineup…Dline is the one position I don’t care who starts…..I’m just not sure our coaches are ready to give up on Benny as a starter yet….but I’m fine with him coming off the bench

    • Byter

      I attribute a lot of it to safety play. B. Davis obviously schemed to defend the pass. It’s the safeties who have to “close the gap” between the run and the pass and neither of our safeties are good run stuffers (or pass defenders).

      • GEAGLE

        Yup…

        After the game Billy talked about how the biggest priority this summer is improving our 3rd down play….Billy worked magic this year. can’t wait to see how much better this defense looks with young players a year older and more comfortable in the scheme…and I can’t wait to see How much better our defense will be when they are better on 3rd down….we are about 3 players, and some more continuity, work and development away from a GREAT DEFENSE!!

  • GEAGLE

    Disappointed in Shady and the offensive line,,,we were supposed to have the advantage in run offense and run defense…..not the way it unfolded

    But you have to give a lot of credit to the saints…they ran at our Nickle defense all night. Our coaches definitely never thought Sean Peyton would attack them like that….so it’s not as if our real run defense got run on….they just ran at our Nickle all night because we were selling out to stop the pass….hurts, any way you slice it, it hurts

  • GEAGLE

    You know what I really enjoyed about the loss?

    After the loss our media wasn’t hard on the players…the media kept trying to get them to reflect on what a great year it was and to keep things in perspective….but the players were having no parts of any moral victories…to a man, our boys were pissed off. They didn’t want to hear about what a great year it was…they expected to win last night…I liked the DOG in them after a loss!!! Really liked seeing how furious they all were…says a lot about this group

  • GEAGLE

    What did Will do to get banned?

    • Will

      Dunno…been real….

      • GEAGLE

        I know the feeling

    • theycallmerob

      How can you tell?

      • GEAGLE

        Couldn’t respond to his posts..said his account was inactive,,,seems like it was just a Disque mistake

  • GEAGLE

    What is going on? Is media Mike now banned too?

    • Will

      Still very impressed about this team headed in the right direction…Chip should be Coach of the year…

  • Will

    This gonna be a barn burner from start to finish who ever executes with
    the least mistakes wins….This will be an exciting game…Like I’ve
    said I like our chances at home…I like the points you
    mentioned..nice…I see this game going down to the last minutes…Chip
    would be wise to kick FG’s this week given the chance we need to come
    away with points every possession, this game will require near
    perfection in execution in all 3 phases Offence, Defense and ST…

  • Byter

    I’ll be very interested in seeing the analysis from All-22. Many people are blaming Chip and Foles for not getting DJax more involved early on. It seems odd that DJax got going when the 2nd stringer came in. I think he gets shutdown too easily. I know NBC showed a couple of clips where he had separation but they were both time Foles was being rushed.

    • Token

      Allen shut Jackson down. Its not a new thing. Jackson often gets shut down at the biggest times. Just how it will be. They need another weapon on offense for sure.

    • Will

      McCoy 21 rushes…not enough…instead of the bomb to Djax shoulda kept running the ball but hindsight is 20/20…

    • Media Mike

      D Jax isn’t able to be shut down by anything less than a double team. A lot of factors go into why the ball goes one way vs. another, but Jackson is always open vs. 1 on 1 coverage.

      • Token

        Thats just not correct.

        • Media Mike

          Did you see the film last night?

          • Token

            Ive seen jackson play since he came into the league. Him getting shut down by man to man is nothing new. But people prefer the myth that he needs to be doubled all the time.

          • Media Mike

            Not a myth at all. People simply don’t throw him the ball to let him make plays when he’s not wide open.

          • Token

            Ok. I just remember who im talking to. Ill bow out of this one.

          • Media Mike

            Sorry I’m not giving you carte blanche to denigrate Jackson’s status as a superstar #1 WR.

      • Byter

        I don’t agree. Is there sometimes safety help over top? Sure, but I’ve seen a lot of highlights where it looks like DJax is slow-dancing with the d-back. My point is that a top tier WR should be targeted in FA to complement DJax. I don’t think Maclin/Cooper is the answer.

        • Media Mike

          When you consistently throw the ball to Jackson he makes catches and draws penalties. I’m looking forward to Foles developing that rapport with Jackson as we head into next season.

          • Byter

            That’s where we will agree. I do think Foles gets too tentative sometimes. Especially with DJax who doesn’t get a lot of separation.

          • GEAGLE

            Desean isn’t a volume WR…he doesn’t run good routes,,,Maclin seems like a much better! number one volume option. Someone you can throw to 10 times, who runs routes…if he is healthy that is…
            ..
            Think we would be better served with a better volume WR as our #1, leave Cooper as our number 2, and slide Desean in the slot where he can abuse Nickle corners and safeties….Desean can’t be going up against the best corner every week???he doesn’t have the route running for it

          • Byter

            Agreed, except I don’t know if I’d count on Maclin. I don’t know the WR FA pool but that’s where I’d spend my money. DJax has to realize that he’s not getting any younger. He can’t just run past CB’s anymore. He better learn to run routes (e.g. Welker) or he will be out of the league sooner than he thinks (at least not making the coin he thinks he’s worth).

          • GEAGLE

            Certain positions we have to get younger at…certain positions we could use a veteran presence:

            Gotta get younger at WR…draft one of two…
            ..
            Yet our Dline and safety could use a veteran..

            This is a deep and fantastic WR draft, we would be foolish not to draft WRs this year

          • Token

            They talked about this on postgame.

            I think Coop and Mac should be back. But I think Mac takes Avants role in the slot for the most part. He has the skillset for the middle. They still need another WR tho. Some other real threat. Cooper is a guy that will be a #3 or #4 on the depth chart but still get a good amount of snaps.

          • GEAGLE

            Who did they say should be the number 1 WR?

            Id start Mac!Coop,Desean…while WRs we draft are brought along slowly(mentored by Avant)

          • David

            Did you watch the Eagles last year? Maclin was awful. He couldn’t get open against single coverage (because the defense was always focused on stopping Jackson–a good indication of who NFL people believe to be the #1) and when he was targeted, he couldn’t catch the ball unless it was right on him. He’s much better than he showed last year, I think–he’s certainly flashed plenty, but I see no basis to suggest he’s anywhere close to Jackson. I realize that plenty of people prefer generic versatility to Jackson’s elite speed, which is bizarre.

          • GEAGLE

            Sorry, but I stopped reading after “did you watch the eagles last year”

            Did you watch Coop last year? How about Nate Allen? Trent Cole? Or the countless other eagles who played well all season under Chip after sucking for Andy? Did you watch King Dunlap last year, who is now tearing it up?

          • cliff henny

            good theory, but due to money, that’ll never happen. jax is jax-he’s valuable just for coverage he requires. the issue is cooper and avant. need guys that can abuse secondaries when jax is getting coverage. maybe maclin is the guy. he had good numbers under reid, but never thought he took as much advantage as he should. hopefully that was reid cause could say the same about shady and jax and they had banner yrs.

    • David

      I’m also very anxious to get the All-22 analysis. Seemed to me that Foles was unnecessarily conservative. I loved the broadcasting sequence when Collinsworth was going on and on and on about how Allen shut Jackson down, then they showed video of Allen covering Jackson, and Collinsworth paused and said, “well, actually the Eagles had some chances there.” What glimpses downfield we could see on TV, seemed like opportunities were there, but for whatever reasons, Foles chose not to throw it downfield. I wonder if Chip had an ultraconservative gameplan or Foles was just super-cautious. Regardless, I hated the timid first half offense.

  • Will

    Thank you Tim and Sheil for all the hard work you guys put into this site…

  • Will

    Thank you Eagles for one hell of a season Go Eagles!

  • anon

    Only Consolation for me was seeing andy blow a 30 point lead. We scored 24 points that’s pretty good, used to be good enough to win. Needed to do more off of turnovers. But offense was dead for a little and then defense died and st killed us at the end. That said we played the saints really tight. Foles’ first playoff appearance, so can’t be too upset.

    Sad football is over, was such a great season. Lots of work to do in the draft/FA. Hopefully these guys work with CK in the offseason to really grow within the scheme.

    • Media Mike

      I really don’t have any ill will for Andy and was rooting for Alex Smith to go further than Kaepernick.

      • morgan c

        I like Smith for sure. I wanted KC to win, but I can’t lie; I chuckle a bit knowing that Reid wasted two TOs and didn’t run the ball with a 28 point lead. KC fans better get ready for more of this.

        • Media Mike

          That was funny.

      • theycallmerob

        I’m with you.
        Plus, they were wracked by injuries. Charles, then Kniles Davis, Donnie Avery, Houston, I think a few others too. You know it’s bad when Quintin Demps is out there playing Safety. But I still respect Andy and hope for the best- or at least, lose to us in the super bowl the next few years.

        • GEAGLE

          They need some sports science in their life..

          Hopefully our SPorts science puts Humpty Dumpty Maclin and Rejus back together again

          • cliff henny

            mean fast food fridays doesnt count. if i wasnt so lazy (combo of tired hungover and down about loss) i’d check out kc’s sbnation blog, see what they are saying about reid. hopefully there’s 1 philly guy posting ‘i told you so’ over and over again

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you….that’s the only think that could make me smile today…

  • GEAGLE

    Young inexperienced QB, and a flawed first year defense…out played the great Drew Brees, Shut down Graham and we lost…..this hurts. This hurts. This hurts

    • cliff henny

      yeah, it was there for the taking. god i hate kickers

      • GEAGLE

        Don’t worry, Chip threw henery under the bus in the post game PC, which SOOO isn’t chips style…henrey is gone

        • cliff henny

          cooper’s drop and 1st at the 15 resulting in missed 47 yrdr was game. i’m not sold on coop coming back if he want #2 wr money, just cant count on him. sign mac and draft wrs early. need olb ans safety…was a flawed team, we all knew it. need another great draft and pluck couple stud free agents. really dont see this team as worst to first 1 yr wonder like so many teams do. built right, great cap, and good coaching.

          • GEAGLE

            No way you can ever get me to be ok with getting rid of our young QBs most TRUSTED WR…I don’t care what that players flaws and limitations are…you don’t take that kind of chemistry away from your young developing QB…you JUST DONT DO THAT! ….few things could piss me off more then taking coop away from Foles..NO WAY, I will flip out

          • anon

            haha that’s silly.

          • GEAGLE

            Silly if you are playing a video game

          • anon

            Nah Riley is good, looking at that FA list maybe he’s on par with what’s out there. But the argument that we shouldn’t upgrade players is silly. So you’d take Cooper over Gordon, or even Antonio Brown just b/c Foles has “chemistry” with cooper.

          • GEAGLE

            It’s not about Riley…it’s aboute RILEY in THIS OFFENSE, with THIS young developing QB……if Riley isn’t here I will make sure to appologize to you…but I really think this is foolish

          • anon

            What special skills does cooper have? Not a great route runner, doesn’t get great separation. He can catch some 50/50 balls. He’s above average in this scheme but he’s nothing special. I’d like to see any named WR in this scheme, which is all about getting people open with misdirection.

          • cliff henny

            has 8 months to get chemistry with another guy. get benjamin and landry, he’ll become fast friends with those 2.
            .
            and, it’s more if he’ll take #3/4 wr money. he just isnt a #2

          • GEAGLE

            We are CONTENDERS…And if we EVER want to get over the hump, CONTINUITY is REQUIRED!!! No way I’m ok with discarding ANY good young players after a year when they showed so much improvement, especially when our cap is healthy…
            ..
            I want both Benjamin and Lamdry…but I damn sure don’t want them starting from day one…gotta let your QB develope..chemistry and continuity are crucial…
            ….
            I would be absolutely shocked if Coop isn’t an eagle. Like that would seriously surprise me…
            ..
            You can give a veteran like Brees two rookie WRs, but you don’t do ish like that with a young QB on a team that’s contending..
            ..
            Bring back Maclin, Cooper,Avant..get rid of Maclin and Avant next offseason, after bringing Benjamin and Landry along slowly

          • theycallmerob

            I disagree with your first few lines; continuity matters most with FO, coaches, and QB. Also helps we’ll have our RB for awhile, and good OL. Other than that, it’s plug-and-play. Brady and Belichick did it for years and years.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, they did…AFTER BRADY was developed!

          • theycallmerob
          • cliff henny

            foles would still have jax ertz celek, not like he’d be hung out to dry with 7 unknowns. maybe being prisoner of moment, that drop killed me!

          • theycallmerob

            eh. in stood out of course, but we didn’t have too many mistakes last night. The 1st series (Lofton coming through unblocked forced Foles throwaway on 3rd), the miserable celek screen/sack/missed FG drive, Coop’s drop, Carmichael x 2 (punt and 3rd down), and the last kickoff.
            McCoy got a tackled a few times by his shoestrings, a guy like Lofton fighting through double teams, or in the backfield.

            But Brees threw 2 ints, the had a few costly penalties (I don’t think we had any brain farts like false start or holding), and of course the injuries that killed their secondary.

            I think that was Coop’s 2nd drop all year? He said something like that in the presser. Also had a GREAT TD catch to bail out Ertz. He can be upgraded, sure, but can definitely ball in this league.
            By League, I mean the Nick Foles League of course

          • cliff henny

            sure, but that drop really hurt. roc almost cost me another remote

          • theycallmerob

            If I could only push one off a cliff this morning, it’d be Roc

          • GEAGLE

            Sorry, but henery was already launched off the cliff lol

          • theycallmerob

            …fair

          • GEAGLE

            But you are welcome to push Roc off the cliff tomorrow morning…

          • GEAGLE

            We wouldn’t even be here if Coop didn’t break thru….Forget that drop, and think back to what our passing offense looked like before COOP and FOLES stepped up!

          • Will

            yup…. that drop hurt, big time players make big time plays….Chris Carter never drops passes Cooper….any ways just wasn’t are Day out there….

          • nicksaenz1

            Roc Carmichael has quickly ascended to Kurt Coleman levels of hatred for me. If I never heard his name again I’d be ecstatic. As soon as I saw him come in the game I told everyone around me that he was going to screw something up.

          • Richard Colton

            speaking of Ertz…good game. great rookie year. but WTF was with that ball going through his hands in the endzone! Come on Ertz, you went to Stanford!

          • JofreyRice

            I was glad he made up for it on the go ahead TD, but his hands have been average this year; seems like he’s always getting hit in them, and not bringing it in. He was OK as a rook. Hoping he becomes a little more of a factor in the future.

          • Explorer51

            Actually, he seems to be more likely to drop the easy ones; his TD catch against the Vikings may have been one of the best catches of the year…Google it and you’ll remember how good it was. His catch rate is 64%, which is OK for a TE…better than Gronk (59%), Vernon Davis (62%), and even Jimmy Graham (61%). But the important thing is that he has a reputation as a hard worker, he’s smart, and only 23; big upside for the kid.

          • Mitchell

            OMG dnt remind, but what a fucking awesome pass by Foles in the back of the endzone.

          • nicksaenz1

            Coop even said it was his second drop of the year. He’s back next year for a couple mil a season, nothing more than 3.5 I’d think.

          • Byter

            A quick search of 2014 WR FA’s. Not too impressive. I’d resign Cooper and Maclin if price is right. Sanders or Boldin would be interesting additions.

            Eric Decker

            Hakeem Nicks

            Jeremy Maclin

            Anquan Boldin

            Emmanuel Sanders

            James Jones

            Julian Edelman

            Riley Cooper

          • cliff henny

            draft is just loaded. i’d sign mac, lowball cooper see if he’s willing to take 3/4 wr level money, and get kelly his perfect weapons in draft. let’s not forget, there was legit arguements if benn and mac stayed healthy, cooper might not of even made squad.

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t see another team breaking the bank for Reilly. I think a fair offer gets it done for he & Maclin.

          • cliff henny

            agree. i want 2 stud wr in this draft, olb and a GD safety in free agency, then howie can do whatever he wants.

          • Richard Colton

            2 starting WRs and a pass rush terror at OLB? you’re not asking for much, are you?

          • cliff henny

            why? there will be quality olb or wrs available in each of the 1st 3 rounds. guess if howie picks wrong guy, but last 2 drafts make me believe he wont. finding 2 quality wrs in this draft isnt hard, the olb is 1 i’m more worried about

          • Richard Colton

            He’s really raised the bar, hasn’t he? the better your team gets, the harder it becomes to find starters in the draft. If its as good as the last two, we’re estatic.

          • cliff henny

            yup, amazing what good coaching and the ability to develop talent does for a gm’s drafting ability. i’d say 2 wrs, safety, cb and olb would get some looks as a starter next yr. now, if howie pops another ’12/’13 draft in ’14, those guys taken in ’15 are depth guys.

          • Richard Colton

            I, for one, can’t wait to spend the next three months fighting with people over Vic Beasley’s shuttle run and the correct pronunciation of “Skov.”

          • RIP illa

            Then by all means, let me be one of the 1st to argue w/ you…lol. That shuttle run won’t mean much of nothing when the kid has to add 30-40 lbs just to get up to standard 3-4 OLB weight!!! I do want taller OLBs but it’s him being so light in the ass that makes me want to put him into the 2nd to last resort category, along w/ Hubbard. And w/ Murphy being my absolute last resort…not athletic nor fast enough to be an elite rush OLB and lacks the agility and bend.

          • nicksaenz1

            It’s almost best that we lost the game in terms of the draft since picking at 20-23 will afford us more flexibility in trading up or down.

          • theycallmerob

            I know it doesn’t matter much in sports, but I do think Riley actually wants to be here.

          • GEAGLE

            Exactly why I don’t like this convo..I really expect a fair deal to keep Coop for 3 years, and then the ability to get out of the contract..and Maclin on a 1 year deal….I would be pretty surprised if both sides didn’t work this out…I’m not trying to lose much from our locker room…trying to add to it….after Maehl and Damaris are upgraded, then I will entertain upgrading the other WRs

          • theycallmerob

            I can’t see Decker and Jones not getting re-signed, but not up to speed on those teams’ cap situations. I agree though, I’d say Sanders is best on that list (for us at least). Boldin won’t bring much at this point in his career, don’t see why we wouldn’t keep Avant instead

          • anon

            Pretty meh group though james jones is a TD machine.

          • ztom6

            I think you re-sign Cooper. Never been much of a Maclin fan and I think Cooper is the better fit. Best place to find upgrades at WR is the draft.

    • anon

      Foles outplayed brees? nah foles played well but cmon.

      • GEAGLE

        GTFO here!!! What did Brees do? Throw two INTs? 1 less TD then FOles, 50 yards more? Cooper doesn’t drop that ball, FOles would have 250 yards like Brees….you out your damn mind if you think Brees out played FOles….Ingram and the saints Oline OUTPLAYED SHADY and OUR LINE…
        ..
        For a first playoff starts, I couldn’t ask for ANYTHING more out of Nick….if ANY YOUNy INEXPERIENCED QB making his first playoff start, and plays how FOles did last night. I would be impressed

        • anon

          Deeper than stats, Brees definitely made more plays, throws on the run, scrambling, etc. to exploit the D. It’s not a dig on foles.

          • GEAGLE

            We have to agree to disagree, because this ain’t even about FOles..I think Brees played like CRAP!!!!! If my Super Bowl winning hall of Fame QB played like Brees did, I would be furious..
            ..
            I actually think Nick was really on point last night, other then a hand full of plays…his nuances for the position, eye manipulation, pump fakes..were OFF THE CHARTS!!! So far advanced from where he should be

          • anon

            Lots of that game against the backup after the saints starting QB came out. That’s when the passing game exploded. Brees had some mistakes early, one we capitalized one we didn’t. But he did enough to put them in position to win.

            We can both agree it was an ugly way to lose that game.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t think Brees played all that well. Only connected on the one good long ball (I think it was Stills? the one Chung was covering, gross). and his only TD pass was reminiscent of ’12, with Moore catching it between 4 guys at the 10 yard line and waltzing in.
            His life was also made WAY easier by (1) run game, (2) having 3rd and 1 and not 3rd and 7 every series, and (3) being able to sneak 4 yards behind that line on every 3rd/4th and 1

          • anon

            Didn’t take stupid sacks

          • theycallmerob

            threw 2 ints. so?

          • GEAGLE

            Ten year of friggin hall of fame experience will do that

          • Richard Colton

            Some of the credit needs to go to Davis for the gameplan against Brees. I was watching the QB and line of scrimmage – yelling at the TV because we couldn’t get pressure with our front 3 & front 4. I’ll bet when the all-22 comes out we’ll see some exotic 7 and 8 man coverages. Not to mention his game plan vs. Graham.

          • GEAGLE

            Billy Davis was spectacular….he did EVERYTHING a DC could have done considering the major liabilities we have on the back end..

            If we are being honest, Davis is more OUR coach of the year then Chip…and that is no indictment onChip…but Billy Davis made a dollar out of 15 cents

          • GEAGLE

            Stop it…Brees sucked…young QB handled himself well in his first playoff start facing a hall of fame qb

        • Explorer51

          How many times have the doubters said, “yeah, but let’s see him complete the 4th Q drive to win the game”…well, he did have that drive that could have won the game, not his fault he never got back on the field. Fascinating now that QB stats don’t matter…

          • Richard Colton

            Whoah. slow down – they’ve already moved the goalpost again on that one. Call me when St. Nick makes a 4th QT go-ahead drive in the Suberbowl.

          • theycallmerob

            he must go sackless. Not having any turnovers is no longer good enough.

          • Richard Colton

            If you watched that game last night and came away thinking “this team needs a QB upgrade to win” – you only saw what you wanted to see.
            I’m still going to be mad for the next few days – but it’s not like last year. hope is there.

          • GEAGLE

            Apparently….wtf is wrong with people?

          • Explorer51

            Yes, and we must be able to see his eyes to make sure they are always looking downfield so that he will throw the ball whether his receivers are open or not..

  • Explorer51

    Yeah, Foles took a sack where he should have thrown it away; but look at his quotes after the game, he owned up to it and tried to explain what happened. But how about if we give the kid credit for engineering and completing the go ahead 4th Q drive? He and O did what they had to do, not their fault ST and D couldn’t close it out. The Eagles could have, perhaps should have, won this game but, seriously, there are just enough holes in their starting 22 to have stopped them short of the SB. As much as I hate this loss, any loss, it is the first off-season since the ’04 season that I have hope. We have a coach and a QB, fill in the pieces around them and we will get a championship.

    • cliff henny

      yup, how i’m trying to look at loss. we knew it was flawed team. too many good qbs left that’ll abuse safeties without constant pressure. but feel like team is built correctly. no really reallly bad contracts, cap is great for forseeable future, young talent everywhere and the flaws are obvious and solutions are available. dont see this team being a 1 yr wonder like so many.

  • anon

    Looking at FA, i think this year unlike last this might be a place that people actually want to be, instead of having to pay them to get here. IF you’re a shifty in space player and can block you can put up big yards here.

    • theycallmerob

      ha, take a look at some FAs though….not a strong crop.
      But yea, it should help if we get into a bidding war for, let’s say Byrd, with a team like DAL (lolz)

  • Will

    As disappointing as this loss was there is still a lot to remain positive about going into next year. This is Chip’s 1st year and the Eagles finished in the top 12 teams in the NFL, not bad after being 4-12 just a year ago. Next year with more tweaks from Chip and Billy D this Eagles squad will be even better. The Eagles should find a better kicker, a true NT, and 2 legit all around Safeties. I think Chip realizes that FG’s are very important at the NFL level. All things considered I am very pleased with Chip’s first run for a Super Bowl. This Eagles Organization is headed in the right direction to bring home the Lombardi Trophy.

    • Mitchell

      I would argue that we have 2 legitimate all around safeties with Allen and Wolf, Chung on the other hand……. YIKES. I would like to draft one more in the first 3 rounds however.

      • Will

        Wolff has knee issues, Chung can’t cover and bad shoulder, Allen doesn’t do much….you need smart hard hitting Safeties for run support plus the same Safeties being excellent in coverage…If you like our Safeties you set your expectations too low… All 3 should be benched…

        • GEAGLE

          Hollis Thomas watched the tape said Cox played well, and we lost because Sean Peyton took advantage of our Nickle defense because we don’t have safeties that will come up and knock the crap out of a running back

          • Will

            Yup….I tend to believe Hollis assessment…I’m not the only one who saw that…

          • GEAGLE

            Really like Hollis defense analysis…so much better then Ike Resse or Trotter…Dawk is ok, but he will sugar coat things were Hollis will keep it real and call out our players

        • Mitchell

          He has knee issues? I thought this was just the one injury.

      • GEAGLE

        I would argue that NATE is NOT under contract and that RIGHT NOW he is cleaning out his locker, so why in the world wouldn’t we UPGRADE him, when studs like Ward and Byrd are on the market?

        • Will

          Amen…Byrd/Ward would be great…

          • GEAGLE

            Donte HITner..Clemons..anyone is an upgrade!

            Before people scoff at Donte Whitner, do your research…he was hell bent on improving his coverage this summer, and his improvement in coverage this year has been remarkable…and he sure as hell won’t be getting TRUCKED by Mark Ingram

          • SvelteGodzilla

            He was, however, TRUCKED by Eddie Lacy.

        • Mitchell

          That’s pretty fair, I’ve always like Allen. Don’t know why. I just always wanted him to pan out. You are probably right, its time to move on. Come on Eagles give me another safety to get excited for!!!

          • GEAGLE

            I would keep him if he was under contract..he improved enough to not get cut and still get a chance to improve next year..but when his contract expires and you can upgrade with Byrd,Ward.Celmons,Whitner….why wouldn’t we?