An Update On the Secondary

Eagles Safety Patrick Chung on field
Safety Patrick Chung was pulled in favor of Kurt Coleman after allowing Greg Jennings to beat him for a 57-yard touchdown pass. Defensive coordinator Billy Davis said that moving Chung in and out of the lineup was the plan all along.

“Going into the game, both Patrick and Kurt knew that we were rotating every two series,” said Davis. “It happened that he had on that second series he had that [play against him]. But going into that game we were going to rotate. Now we were rotating because Patrick has been in a little bit of a slump, but he is increasing, he getting better and better as we go. That was a bad snap for him but there was going to be an every two-series rotation of the safeties regardless of that play happening.”

Davis went on to say that Coleman and Chung split the reps 50-50 at practice last week. Chung and Earl Wolff  had a similar arrangement earlier in the season. A rotation will continue, assuming health, until someone separate themselves, Davis said.


Coleman suffered a hamstring injury in the loss to Minnesota and did not practice Tuesday. Wolff  (knee) is hoping to return to action, but will be eased back in when he finally does get the green light.

In other injury news, Brandon Boykin continues to go through the necessary protocol after sustaining a concussion and was sidelined Tuesday. He was in attendance, however, which could be looked at as good news as Roob points out

 Colt Anderson (knee) also did not practice Tuesday.

  • jabostick

    Should there not be a move coming soon to get some depth in? I know it is slim pickings but the word on twitter today was that Chung or Carmichael would have slot responsibilities if Boykin can’t go. That scares me

    • cliff henny

      good news is bears use 3rd wr – bennett – about as much as eagles use/target/production as Avant 30 catches, 40 targets 230 yds. might get away with it this week. their big 2, have 170/2400+/17 vs jax/coop 116/2000/16. fletch and c-wills have to play huge

  • macadood

    as this Bears game doesn’t mean much it might make sense to rest boykin and wolfe for this week in anticipation of the Cowboys showdown. Hope they both get back to 100% soon

    • cloisterwater

      This game could mean a lot more than you think now that the Redskins have a competent QB under center. You’re probably right though.

      • cliff henny

        rg3 trade is getting worse by the second. thank gawd foles stepped up, i was all prepared to do that, and then some for bridgewater or mariota

        • Adam

          How great was last week for the Rams? Beat NO, and pretty much secured a top 3 pick.

          • GEAGLE

            And that RG3 trade is the gift that keeps on giving. The only player drafted in the top 5 that the rams want is jake Mathews, which means there is a good chance they trade back from the pick the skins deliver! and get MORE picks for trading them RG3
            ..
            Rams are building an entire team off trading RG3…behind closed doors, they HAVE to be laughing at snyder

          • cliff henny

            speaking of draft picks, when’s hinkie fleecing the celtics? cant believe ainge is trying to do 3 way with hinkie or morey. those 2 will leave boston with maybe a 2nd rdr in next 5yrs after everything said and done.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol ainge is an idiot…he really thinks he can catch lightning in a bottle again and trade his way to another title lol…

            Hinkie will leave him with nothing but NBDL draft picks if Ainge isn’t careful…Cliff isn’t their something about a certain date? Like a player has to be aquired by a certain date for him to be eligible to be traded again this year? Or something like that? Heard a deal has to happen this week, if it’s going to happen, but I don’t know why

          • cliff henny

            yeah, 19th. if traded before then, cant be re-traded at deadline. and guys signed in off season need to be atleast 2 months into contracts. basically, if hinkie gets asik, asik will get 50 shots a game and no one but him will be allowed to rebound, then sent off for more assets.
            .
            i’m surprised anyone is even talking to both. friend of mine was joking about a scenario that had charlotte jumping in for a 4-way, getting asik, sixers sending turner to celtics, young and hawes to houston, we eat gerald wallace’s contract, and hinkie and morey take about all celtics and charlottes picks and chop them up. was half a joke(it’s valid and does work), but theory was, once nba gm’s see morey and hinkie doubling teaming gms like john holmes and ron jeremy, no one’s going to trust them, so get it all done in one trade.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol…where did you read the celtics got involved?…if I’m Hinkie and you offered me Asik and that albatross of a contract, I wouldn’t be looking at it as an asset, I would be looking at it as a contract I’m eating for you! and you would have to give me a draft pick to take a stiff that will make 15mil next year…I think we will see Morey get the established players while Hinkie gets the draft picks and eats bad contracts when those two do a 3way deal

          • GEAGLE

            MKG is on the trading block. I could see something like:
            Houston gets Hawes and MKG from Charlotte
            Sixers get a draft pick from Houston and Charlotte, while eating Asik and Gerald Wallace
            Charlotte gets Thad and Lin or something crappy cause Jordan is dumb

          • cliff henny

            funny…jordan needs to learn he isnt on the court anymore. in that 3-way, he might end up as a ballboy for 6rs/rox.
            .
            wallace is a celtic. think houston want both thad and hawes.charlotte wants asik. send turner to charotte, take back MKG, and get couple 1sts. no clue who’d want Lin

          • GEAGLE

            I’d do it in a heartbeat.,,,then again, I’d do anything that gets us extra draft picks….thoroughly enjoying college basketball season….hate to admit it, but Joel Embiid is probably a bett prospect then Nerlens

          • cliff henny

            been so long since noel’s played, little hard to remember. thought he was a nice glue guy,great court presence. dont get that with embiid yet. but, supreme athlete.
            .
            guy i finally caught was gordan against Mich. first half was like ‘what’s big deal’…then 2nd half i was drooling. if Brown teaches him a corner 3, that guy will be a player.

          • cliff henny

            sixers are middleman in trade, most likely. think houston wants hawes, celtics want asik, gerald wallace contract kills them so sending turner get them relief where asiks contract isnt a bother, sixers will just sit on wallace for 2 yrs and take some picks to do so. asik has great defensive stats(forget what that new term hinkie loves). if sixers took him, he’d definitely be showcased and moved at 2nd deadline. you know morey and hinkie are getting their grubby little hands on someone’s 1st these next 2 days. i bet sixers end up with 4 ’14 1st rdrs, 2 might be in late 20′s, plus another 2nd. dont think either will be satisfied till sixers and rocket alternate all the top10 picks.
            .
            libertyballers.com

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks mate…I’d absolutely LOVE that!!!

          • Richard Colton

            but they haven’t hit a homerun with any of those picks yet, and they still don’t know if Bradford is their guy. 3 first rounders sounds great – until they turn into Danny Watkins, Brandon Graham, and Broderick Bunkley

          • GEAGLE

            Which players did they get for those picks?
            I like Ogletree,Janoris Jenkins, their Dline, Tavon

          • Richard Colton

            they did a lot of wheeling and dealing – moved down a few times. no can’t miss stars yet. I agree with you though – when its all said & done, the Redskins will regret the trade.

            How funny will it be if they decide to stick with Bradford at QB and draft Matthews at LT with the RGIII pick? A player who the Redskins need. Meanwhile Snyder is deluding himself that someone is going to trade a #1 for Cousins. Keep dreaming.

          • GEAGLE

            Colt..I believe they will give stafford another year, trade back two! or three spots! draft Mathews and get more picks…will Snyder looks more and more like jerry

          • southy

            Add brockers, zac Stacy, Isaiah pead, rokevious somethingorother, Tavon wasn’t.

  • leegles

    Can’t wait to burn all free agency and picks on secondary!

    • GEAGLE

      You mean signing one safety and drafting a CB with one of your 5th round picks?

  • morgan c

    Carmichael is terrible. As bad as Fletcher was last game, he has been okay this year. He’s actually outplayed Williams, who is inconsistent, undisciplined, and lacks great technique, yet we still desperately need him. Wolff was already starting to separate himself before the injury, which surely and unfortunately will set him back.

    That said, we need Boykin, Fletcher, and Williams to all play and be ready. Same goes for Wolff. Nate Allen, who has been getting praise which I haven’t understood, is the weak link. IMO, he’s only been getting some credit, because he has improved slightly relative to how terrible he was (can only go up, right?). Even during our winning streak, dude was responsible for giving up a huge play to Fitz. And he was flat terrible against the Vikings. Not in position to make plays, terrible angles.

    Sorry for Nate Allen tirade. Point is we need Boykin, Fletcher, Williams, and Wolff ready to go. And we need to go safety and CB in the draft in three of our first four picks. No questions. OLine on the other.

    • nicksaenz1

      I get the Allen tirade but that’s his first bad game in a while. Chung and Coleman gotta go before Allen, I think.

      • cliff henny

        sure the doors at novacare are wide enough to shove all 3 out

        • nicksaenz1

          No argument, but hard to completely rid ourselves of ALL of our actual safeties (Anderson not included, poor guy). If I keep one it’s Allen at this point. Chung and Coleman blow.

          • cliff henny

            as bad as allen is, he’s going to get a raise by someone. chung makes 3 times what he does. cant believe i’m saying this, but i’d hang onto kurt, cause he wont cost much, be 3/4th safety play special teams. pick up byrd and draft a kid, w/ anderson and wolff, there’s your 5. and pray kurt never plays defense

          • nicksaenz1

            He’s been average this season. Not a worthy 2nd round pick, but I’d rather have him and never see Kurt again. I know the dollars likely won’t make sense. I also know that while Nnamdi sucked, he was smart to point to Coleman, because Coleman sucks enough that it’s entirely plausible that every blown coverage was his fault. The guy is terrible.

          • cliff henny

            trust me i agree. my stance of him when trimming to 53 was ‘not only should he be cut, but shot, stuffed in a duffled bag and tossed into the delaware’. i’d show all 3 the door, take my chances with drafting mid and late safety or getting 2nd cheap free agent. but if i had to, gun to head, i’d take kurt cause of money, and hope he never sees field.
            .
            the big difference between nate and kurt, is kurt plays special teams. if nate’s a back-up, he just stands on sidelines, which is definitely prefered to him playing.

          • nicksaenz1

            I guess my question would be, “Can Nate NOT play ST at least to the same level or higher than Kurt?” Kurt’s not exactly lighting it up on ST…

          • cliff henny

            good question, but he hasnt yet. as much as kelly wants true special teamers in back end of roster, think he’d want allen learning on fly?
            .
            doubt allen would even consider 3rd/4th team safety money, special teams gunner, cause someone will give him low end starters money. there’s alot of bad safety play in the nfl

          • nicksaenz1

            In fairness, it can’t be worse than the last two weeks of ST play. But, you’re likely right. Hard to see a scenario where he’s here next year.

          • Rambler

            As if the Delaware is not dirty enough, you want to pollute it further?

          • Dominik

            “and pray kurt never plays defense”

            I had flashbacks all over the game when I saw #42. I mean, Chung is bad and we desperately need Wolff back, but Coleman? Really?

            It showed us and the entire NFL that we have zero depth at that position. We rely on Nate Allen and a rookie. Yikes.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Ya Chung, jeeze what a disappointment, We all knew something was up when we signed a safety off NE’s bench..

    • Richard Colton

      maybe. between 20 and 24 we’ll need to be reactive. too many variables to call positions for top 4 picks. if we ended up with S/OT/CB/CB or some such variant like you suggest – count me as happy.

    • GEAGLE

      I don’t think the draft will go down like that..Brad,Cary and Boykin start next year with Wolff and a safety yet to be named

  • nicksaenz1

    If Wolff can go for at least a few full practices he needs to be back to permanent starter status. I can’t bear (pun intended) to watch more Chung/Coleman/Anderson. Sunday was a reminder why the last two were better off put out to pasture in the offseason, at least Coleman. Anderson, at least, brings some ST value.

  • cloisterwater

    We successfully replaced the stiff pictured left. Now we just need to replace the stiff in the middle.

  • cliff henny

    how thin is a secondary when kurt coleman is a hopefull solution? hope they can band-aid them together for 3 more weeks. hate to see a fun and promising season shot in the a$$ by a known weakness rearing it’s ugly head at the end.

    • GEAGLE

      Billy and the corners have done about a good a job as possible of covering it up for the most…I talk all the time about players who I think coaches view drastically differnt then fans! for example! Meco and Celek being more important to Chip than we think…well every once and a while coaches and fans view players the same way…EXAMPLES: Eagles Safeties..
      ….
      All Wee NEED to know about what the coaches think about our safeties is, we signed two, big, physical press corners, yet we have them playing off all year. Your Defensive TEAM motto has to be “don’t let anyone behind you” because you can’t count on the safeties to do their job, which is tackle after a WR makes a catch, and DONT let ANYONE behind THEM

      Once we have two safeties on the field that coaches and our CBs trust, I’m sure we will transitions to a team who’s corners predominantly press…

      If our coaches really wanted our corners to play off, they would have tried to sign like an Assante Samuel type who will sit back and jump routes, instead we went after the big physical press corners…Rome wasn’t built in a day, and we don’t have that many issues…Chip isn’t going to sit around and watch 3 years of inadequate play from the same position like Andy did…I’m sure we do something about that this spring, and that next year we will get to see Cary and Brad play more of their game

    • theycallmerob

      no depth! starting CBs ok, and Allen Wolff looked good for a few weeks. But Chung, Coleman, Anderson, Roc, Marsh, Prater….none of those guys are worth being on the field for defensive snaps. Massive upgrades needed.
      As you said, shame that for a team pretty healthy all year we’ve had the most issues at the worst possible position.

      • GEAGLE

        The shame is we have a bunch of experienced veteran safeties and we are to stuck holding our breath for a 5th round rookie to comeback smh…How the hell did we even get to this safety mess?….Andy Reid really startedKurt Coleman for an entire year? Did that really happen or was it a bad dream?

        • Dominik

          How much has Chung guaranteed for next season? Will it be expensive to cut him?

          I never liked the move to sign him, but he should go. Except, maybe, for being our Safety #4. He is a good special teamer and we would get rid of Coleman, finally. But I don’t think his salary is worth #4 + ST.

          Howie should pay Byrd, even if it’s expensive. We need one special player at that position. Then Wolff and Allen or Rookie/FA as our #2 and 3. Chung or Coleman #4, Anderson #5 + ST. I could life with that.

      • pjcostello

        Prater, Prater… didn’t he intercept Foles last Sunday? :-)

  • G_WallyHunter

    Props for getting Soap in on a pic, Sheil.

  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    Every time I think of the mess we have at Safety I think back to the 2010 Draft…As I eagerly awaited the drafting of our next great safety at #13! (Eagles trade up)…Eagles draft Brandon Graham, while the Seahawks move up to draft Earl Thomas @ #14. I almost cry every time I see Earl Thomas. He was THE guy we needed! Ok Im done reminiscing.

    • nicksaenz1

      If by reminiscing you mean crying, I’m done, too. I swear it.

    • Chris

      I’m not crying, just cutting a lot of onions..alone..looking at the 2010 draft recap….

      • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

        Go ahead Chris let out one ugly cry…I’m here for you man!

    • Adam

      Dang

      • Richard Colton

        I’m predicting cloudy, with an 80% chance of Earl Thomas on every predraft Safety thread

        • GEAGLE

          This fanbase has made me hate Earl…no one eve mentions the 6 players we drafted before Richard Sherman comes off the board

          • cliff henny

            chancellor would be a god in philly.

          • GEAGLE

            LOVE him…I’d worship him that’s for sute

        • Adam

          Most popular non-Eagle ever amongst Eagles fans. I think when he retires he should retire an Eagle.

          • Richard Colton

            Hmmm. Trying to think of one better and the only name I have is Ricky Williams pre-draft. Jarius Byrd is about to join that group – you guys have been yeasting him up for months.

            Flyers fans are the same way FYI – we specu-traded Ron Francis to this team three years in a row and it never happened.

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Might have to get a Thomas Eagle jersey Adam!

      • Chris

        can’t stop laughing at this

        • Adam

          Haha glad you enjoy it Chris!

    • cliff henny

      to play devil’s advocate, is reid still appointing castillo, signing nnamdi and dcr, bringing washburn and wide9 garbage giving gap resposibilities (ET does have some tackling issues-great centerfielder which would be great nowadays). and on top of all that, playing next to kurt., not chancellor sherman and browner oh, let’s blow his knee out too. ugh, that was a crappy couple of years

  • Token

    If Chung or Coleman is starting in addition to Boykin being out…. I cant see a way to win the game. I dont see us stopping them. Luckily, we can afford to lose the game. Thank you Dallas.

    • Michael Jorden

      It’s to the point where you start wondering if it would be better to pick someone up off the street than to start Chung or Coleman. I know that’s hyperbole but it’s edging towards reality every week.

      • anon

        As howie said — people on the street are on the street for a reason we don’t want to pick up the 52 x 32 = 1600 something worst player in the league. I thought this was a little misguided when he said it — but we gotta just run w/ the team we have and everyone needs to play better.

        • Michael Jorden

          Yeah, 10 minutes after I said it they brought Johnson up from the PS. Funny.

    • anon

      That’s probably what we said when half of Minny’s secondary was out — any given sunday.

  • Adam

    We just added Keelan Johnson to the active roster. Time’s yours, kid.

    • cliff henny

      who? was he practice squader? had to google him, says he’s an Eagle safety.

      • Adam

        Yeah, probably to fill in for Colt

        • cliff henny

          released Acho, too

  • jon h

    one of the draft boards (which is usually worthless at this point in the year), has us picking a Safety from Alabama in the first round – anyone have insights on this kid?

  • tom

    I thought the coach’s decision to have Boykin fielding kickoffs was bad. He and Johnson are too small to have an impact, and the risk of injury is high, which occurred when Boykin ran the kickoff out of the end zone. Isn’t that why we signed Brad Smith, and didn’t he look good when he did run one out of the end zone late in the game?