Wake-Up Call: Defense Loses Its Grip

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Minneapolis — Puzzling how a defense that had performed so consistently well for the last two-plus months could be ripped up so suddenly by a depleted Minnesota offense.

Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerhart were sidelined because of injury. Their replacement, Matt Asiata, entered the game with three career carries. He exited with three touchdowns. Matt Cassel racked up 382 yards and two touchdowns, and finished with a 116.6 quarterback rating. A unit that hadn’t allowed more than 21 points in a game since September was gashed for 48.

The most convenient explanation is that Billy Davis‘ unit overlooked its opponent; that the Peterson-less Vikings didn’t have the Eagles’ full attention with bigger games against the Bears and Cowboys on the horizon. Not so, says the defensive coordinator.


"This is the NFL. We went into this game knowing full well it doesn't matter who's playing, we're getting their best. NFL ball is NFL ball. Anybody can beat you on any given Sunday. We knew that going in," said Davis. "It's not like we're in here saying 'We fell into a trap' because we didn't. We practiced as hard if not harder -- we had some of our best numbers in practice that we've had in a long time. This one caught us all off-guard defensively; I did not see us playing this poorly after the week of practice we had."

What happened, then?

For one, Minnesota's game-plan may have caught the Eagles by surprise. Mychal Kendricks noted that the Vikings are typically more of a run-first team but, with Peterson out, turned to Cassel and the passing attack in early downs more than perhaps they were anticipating.

The secondary, which was down Brandon Boykin (head) for a good part of the game, had trouble matching up with Minnesota's receivers. Greg Jennings erupted for 163 yards on 11 catches. Jarius Wright had four for 95. Cordarrelle Patterson had five for 35 with a touchdown, and drew a pass interference from Bradley Fletcher in the fourth quarter.

"I know when he got that (pass interference) call late in the game on that defensive back he came back to the sidelines and said, 'You guys should just thrown me nines all day, go routes all day. They can't cover me,' " said Vikings head coach Leslie Frazier.

A defense that prides itself in being sure tacklers let too many Vikings loose. A group that has limited the amount of big plays against them gave up four pass plays of 30-plus yards.

"I said, we're going to find out how we are being the favorites and how we respond to that," said Davis, "and we didn't respond well. I don't think it was because we were flat. I'm not on the field so it's tough to see the energy or feel the energy and how it compares to any other week, but I know mentally and physically we have to be better than we were today. I don't have a lot of excuses or explanations for you.

"It's a bad day. We've gotta regroup and try to find some confidence out there in practice and get ready for a real good Chicago team."

The hope is that this was a blip, a down day for a sound defense and nothing more. With Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery coming to town Sunday, they better hope so.

"Believe it or not we got better today because we learned from a lot of the mistakes that were made," said Kendricks.

"I don't doubt our guys' effort, I don't doubt it at all. Our effort was there. We wanted to win, but like you said...sometimes people get complacent. We've just got to get back to work and pick up where we left off."

WHAT YOU MISSED

So Dallas lost. What does that mean for the Eagles' playoff chances? Sheil takes a look.

The Eagles lost their cool in the second half.

Chip Kelly addressed several issues following Sunday's loss, from LeSean McCoy's limited carries to the decision to squib kick.

Kapadia offers his observations from Eagles-Vikings. 

Adrian Peterson sang the praises of McCoy before the game.

What to make of the Kelly/Texas report?

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski writes about the Eagles' decision to roll with the squib kicks.

Patterson is a great young player, but he's not so great that the Eagles should have been willing to sacrifice drive starts at the 40 yard line.

And furthermore, how many kickers in the NFL routinely kick the ball out of the end zone in domes? I guess Alex Henery is incapable of that?

The Snow Bowl was a lot more fun than the Squib Kick Bowl.

Domo gives the Eagles an "F" for their performance Sunday.

Some really questionable decisions by Chip Kelly and his staff, including the pooch kickoffs, giving the ball to LeSean McCoy just eight times, going for it on fourth-and-1 at their own 24 with 6 minutes left in the third quarter and the Charmin coverage against the Vikings’ receivers. Against a three-win team, they opened the door for the Cowboys.

COMING UP

We'll speak to Kelly at 1. Plenty to dive into.

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  • addicted2mula

    I’m superstitious and i couldn’t use my lucky lighter to smoke MJ for the Eagles game. But i did the second half of the GB vs Dallas game and a miracle happened they came back and won. Still upset about our game though. #1Eagles

  • EuropeanEagle

    This has nothing to do with the defense but it’s another thing that bothered me on sunday: why on earth did we keep trying to throw it deep when it simply wasn’t there most of the time? If I remember correctly we called only 3 screen passes, 3 of them went for over 20 yards or something. When your “athletic” Oline is getting hammered in pass protection why not use their speed to create some space for TEs and RBs?

    • Bukester

      Looks like we posted the same thing at the same time!

    • Richard Colton

      Chip alluded in the press conference the O-line was having problems opening up holes. Thought they looked OK in pass-pro though. Honestly, the 3-and-outs were a problem, but the offense put up 30 points and 400+ yards in the air. If I’m ranking what went wrong, offense comes after A) Defense B) Special Teams game plan C) Casey Matthews

      • nicksaenz1

        And Colt. Can’t forgive Colt.

        • Richard Colton

          he looked bad when he wiffed on that tackle, showing everyone why he’s a SINO (safety in name only). If we had some healthy S who could play, he wouldn’t have been out there.

          • BlindChow

            Hey, David Sims is still available…

          • Johnny Domino

            Thought was doing play by play for Westwood One.

          • anon

            I think secondary and lack of attention the fo pays to it got exposed. Plain and simple we could have gotten players this off-season. We didn’t. If we can’t get a pass rush were toast

      • BlindChow

        Chip’s explanation is ridiculous. McCoy was averaging 4.8 yards/carry. In fact, I’d say the 3-and-outs were a direct result of abandoning the run game before even trying to get it going. Kelly’s gameplan was awful.

        But he still used play-action. Play-action with no threat of actual running. Strangely familiar…

        • Andy124

          Stop trying to make me lose my breakfast. ugh.

        • cliff henny

          yeah, off day for kelly.

          • Adam

            Let’s hope he learns from it and fixes it. He’s done that pretty well so far this year.

          • cliff henny

            these games happen in nfl. hard to win on road. den, pats, cinci, no, it was just one of those weeks.

          • Adam

            Yep. It’s good to get it out of the way. Realistically, winning 8 in a row would have been near impossible. Get the humbling loss out of the way and figure out a way you’re going to stop Jeffery and Marshall.

          • Rohan Patel

            Den lost at home. Just so you know haha

            It was a pretty big upset

        • Tom w

          Eagles faced 8 man fronts most if not the entire game. Hence why we ran outside or passed the ball more. Chip was playing the numbers as he has all year. And when we ran the read option geniuses, foles kept the ball a number of times himself or passed it or took a sack when he also had the option of handing it to shady. That’s about 5- carries right there. Everyone needs to relax and stop second guessing the coach when he has shown he knows better plain and simple. How quickly we forget.

          • aub32

            Agreed. Coaching has not been the problem on offense at any time this year. Kelly can only call the plays. It’s up to Foles and the rest of the guys to execute.

          • theycallmerob

            It was a combination of our poor execution and their great play; the perfect storm. I do give credit to their DL and the play of the unheralded DBs. That said, it’s still no excuse for our QB, OL, and WRs.

          • aub32

            I think the O line did very well. Foles had plenty of time, and it’s hard to say the run blocking was poor on so few carries.

          • theycallmerob

            I’ve already rewatched the 1st half. OL did not do that well, average performance at best by them. They did better against DET and ARI, much better front 7s.
            And of course the few carries were an issue. As BC mentioned above, so was the play action (based off such few carries). But neither of those faults fall to Foles.

          • aub32

            I agree they had a much more impressive game in ARZ. DET is hard to judge with all the snow. I don’t think they played bad. Foles had more than enough time and on occasion held onto the ball for 6 or more seconds. The lack of runs may have had more to do with Foles than we realize. On package plays, the O line run blocks while Foles decides whether or not to throw on hand the ball off. Granted I believe there should have been more straight up run calls, and I can’t say whether Foles handing the ball of was the right decision or not. I just don’t think the O line play poorly.

          • Tom w

            With you on qb and oline not playing their best, but the wrs? Didn’t see them drop any balls. Anyways, defense is solely to fault here. I can chalk up the first half to a completely strange pass first game plan by vikes that we weren’t ready for … But they shoulda adjusted at half. Boykin injury hurt but just shows we need to upgrade and add depth at corner and big upgrade at safety

          • theycallmerob

            re: the WRs, it wasn’t so much the drops as inability to get open. They often stacked the box on D, and Foles did have time, but took some coverage sacks. Part of that was a good MIN gameplan, part was on Foles’ decisiveness, but also the WRs weren’t doing him many favors. And I give DJax a “-1″ for his antics; his immaturity always comes out in trying times. The kid cannot handle adversity at all.

          • Tom w

            Very fair reading. Think we need an upgrade on avant or brad smith and danaris as our wr3s-5

          • Maggie

            The offense scored 30 points, which should have been enough.

          • jabostick

            I think ‘execution’ says it all. I’m fairly convinced that Chip calls a good game and the difference is whether the plays are sharp in executing it. Nick missed a bunch of makeable throws that could’ve went for TD’s or big plays.

            The special teams strategy was questionable but it wasn’t executed so it’s hard to judge it.

            Defense just looked uninspired (the secondary especially).

          • Maggie

            “throws that could have GONE”

          • Maggie

            The offense scored 30 points, remember?

          • theycallmerob

            so? that doesn’t put them above criticism.

      • aub32

        I think the 30 points had more to do with how bad the Vikings were beating us. There were a lot of empty stats in the 4th quarter. Despite the numbers, Foles played really poor. He was hesitant and inaccurate. Don’t get me wrong, the defense played poorly as well. However, they could have used a couple of first downs to get them a little rest.

        • Adam

          How about the defense not being able to force a punt till the 3rd quarter against a backup QB and a third string RB? Maybe they could have earned their rest that way, making a stop so we didn’t play from behind the whole game and Shady could have ran the ball.

          • aub32

            Did you read where I said the D played poorly? Or are you too busy making excuses.

        • morgan c

          Dude, we all know you just love Vick, so can’t wait to bash Foles. He wasn’t great – definitely not really poor. You don’t throw for over 400 yards, 3TDs and 1 INT (I don’t care if it’s garbage time or not) and play “really poor.” He was inconsistent, and def did not play his best game.

          • aub32

            I did not mention Vick. Nor did I say Foles should be benched. You and other love the idea of Foles being the next great QB so much that you ignore the obvious. He was bad yesterday. Heput up most of his stats when the game was out of reach. Do you not remember the WAS game? RG3 had 330yds on 61% passing for 2TDs and 2 INTs. Did he play well? Hell no? The D let up because the game was so far out of reach. What happened as soon as we got the game close? The Vikings tightened things right back up.

          • Andy124

            I did not mention Vick. Nor did I say Foles should be benched.

            For the record, others did.

          • aub32

            I have nothing to do with that.

          • Adam

            Not even sure where this “garbage time stats” idea is coming from. We were still in the game until right after Minny scored their last TD, and we only got 35 yards on the drive after that.

          • cliff henny

            he’s making people defend an arbitary definition. we say foles was mediocre, he parlays that into saying we labeled him as next brady. eagles lost, he can just say foles sucks, and refuse to compare to true bad qb’g in nfl, like dalton after 50 starts, geno smith cannot play qb, eli 5 picks. white noise, he’s been sitting around for 5 weeks waiting for today. foles wasnt at his best, but awful, no.

          • Adam

            Hey, just a handful more games till Vick is off the roster. He might even get to see him against the Cowboys if all goes well next week.

          • cliff henny

            vick’s least of my worries to get off roster. hope wolff comes back healthy, nate and chung have to go. cole/graham cant play like that, zero pressure, still need a 3rd slot guy, does a wr have a catch between numbers past 10 yds this year?

          • GEAGLE

            Lol Vick wouldn’t even put himself into the game over FOles yet their are still dumb people out there who would be sooooo happy to see him in the game….It’s the hem of ost clueless phenomenon I have ever seen

          • Andy124

            Since we’re talking about Vick:

            Foles just had his 5th game with 3+ td passes in his 8th start this year. Vick has 6 in his 10 year career.

            Foles now has 22 td passes in his 8 starts this year (1 td came against Denver in what really was garbage time). Vick’s career high for a season is 21.

          • aub32

            You have no clue if you think I was waiting for a game like this. Whether I like Foles or not (I actually do) is not the point. Bad play from Foles means the Eagles lose. I don’t want that. Being hesitant to buy into someone is not the same thing as rooting against that person.

          • aub32

            When did I ever say Foles sucks. Some of you need to go back to after the Cowboy game and see what you wrote about Foles. Even then I never said he sucked. I said I am waiting to see him develop.

          • BlindChow

            Well, it’s true you didn’t use the word “sucks”…

            Aub32, after the Dallas game:

            He is limited both physically and mentally. Many fans tried to tote him as this quicking thinking, defense reading anticipation throwing QB. He can do that at times, but so can every other QB. He played really well last week [in Tampa]. Matt Flynn had one of the all time great games of any QB ever. So expectations needed to be tempered. However, he isn’t god awful. He’s limited. He can still come in and play well in spots. He just isn’t the future, and he needs a good deal of help from coaches and players to assist him in performing well.

          • aub32

            Where was I wrong? He is limited phsyically. He does et a lot of help from coaches and receivers. I do not have the link, but if you can listen to what Greg Cossell said of him last week. He said that Kelly’s route combinations are what gives Foles the ability to see guys open because they have more space than almost any team in the league. Kelly has been successful with plenty of QBs who were lacking. I like FOles more now than I did then, especially when he’s willing to pull the trigger and just ply. However, I do think Kelly could do more with a more gifted QB. Again nothing I said even then says he sucks. I said be tempered which I have been.

          • GEAGLE

            What did I write about FOles after the Dallas game?

        • Andy124

          Foles played really poor.

          Seriously dude. Not a good look for you.

          • aub32

            Why? Did he not miss wide open receivers? Did he not make bad decisions? Was he not hesitant? He got lucky that the refs didn’t call grounding in the endzone for a safety. I get you and others love the idea of having found our next franchise QB. That doesn’t mean the guy is above criticism. He was below average yesterday.

          • Andy124

            Who said he’s above criticism? Strawman much? I criticized him in this very thread. But saying he played really poorly is not criticism, it’s biased bullcrap. And you’re on here questioning the objectivity of others? Being biased isn’t some horrible thing, so you shouldn’t be afraid to be honest with yourself about it.

            And below average and really poorly aren’t the same thing, and he wasn’t below average either.

          • aub32

            I find it funny you call me biased when you openly admit you didn’t like our last QB and were clearly biased. Don’t turn my argument into yours. I never said Foles shouldn’t start. In fact I said just the opposite after he took over. I don’t want Vick starting right now. But I guess that’s just my bias bull crap. How about this. Why don’t you tell me on which scale I can judge Foles. When I grouped him with Dalton and Schaub people got pissed because Foles is supposedly way better than those guys. When I grouped him with Manning and Brady, which many others do because of his stats, I get killed because he is obviously not Manning or Brady. If we were to say Luck, Foles Wilson, Kaep, and Tannehill, I would honestly take all those guys except Tannahill over Foles. Is that some sort of bias?

          • Andy124

            I find it funny you call me biased when you openly admit you didn’t like our last QB and were clearly biased.

            Exactly. I’m honest about it.

            I don’t want Vick starting right now. But I guess that’s just my bias bull crap.

            No, calling Nick’s performance really poor is biased bull crap.

            This ‘who are you allowed to compare him to’ spiel is pretty much out of left field seeing as there were no comparisons being made here. Not what we were talking about at all. It’s a decent topic for conversation though. Maybe address it another time.

          • aub32

            I brought it up because it’s very relevant. If I am to group Foles with Brandon Weedon, then he did not have a bad game. However, if I group him with Manning he was horrendous. Right now I group Foles with the young QBs we saw bud from last season (excluding RG3 that situation is just a mess) Compared to what I expected Foles to do yesterday, my opinion is he played really poor. Maybe my expectation are too high, but that would suggest that I have higher hopes for Foles and would mean I am not biased against him.

          • Andy124

            As I’ve said already in this thread, and after the GB game as well, you cannot play poorly and put up excellent statistics. There is a reasonable limit to how much you can discount the actual production on the field. If your eyes are telling you that 428 yards, 3 touchdowns, over 60% completions and 30 points is really poor, your eyes are lying to you.

            If you think yesterday’s performance is really poor in comparison to what you’d expect out of Keap, Wilson or Luck, your expectaions of them, and Foles, are unrealistic. As a fan of Vick, you should be well aware that no quarterbacks are perfect. Pointing out that he was imperfect does nothing to prove he was really poor. They all miss throws and take sacks they shouldn’t. They also make really good throws. Put all the results together, look at the aggregate, and you have a reasonable measurment of how a quarterback performed. Far more reliable and less susceptible to bias than “the eye-test”.

          • aub32

            Did you watch the KC game? If not have you seen Smith’s stats for the game. Looking at his stats you would think he had a great game. You could not tell by looking that all of his TD passes combined traveled a total of 13 yards in the air. So yes stats can be very very deceiving.
            ….
            Foles had good stats yesterday but played really poor in my opinion. To be honest he could have had 100 less yards and one less TD and looked much better. He was hesitant the entire game. He made bad throws the entire game. He looked lost.His poor play is what specifically held the offense back. That to me is really poor. We clearly have a difference of opinion here, so I am not sure what’s left to discuss. Great play to me isn’t 50 throws and 40 completions. That’s not what I expect. He could have thrown the ball away at times. He could have trusted Shady more. He could have not thrown that block.

        • theycallmerob

          there were not many empty stats. The eagles were never out of it until the very end. Foles did not have a great game, but he is just a small piece of everything that went wrong yesterday

          • Andy124

            Foles did not have a great game,

            In support or this and adding to it:
            The stats say he had a really good game. Stats can mislead, but they can’t flat out lie unless you really manipulate them.

            So we can say, yeah, he wasn’t as good as the stats. So he wasn’t great, but the worst he could have been is ‘ok’, with ‘pretty good’ being more likely. It’s completely blind to try and say that stats are totally meaningless, he was ‘bad’ or ‘really poor’.

            IMO, he missed some passes and had some mental errors and was too agressive going down the field. But he also had some beautiful throws and didn’t let the sieve-like defense throw the offense in to the tank like what happened in Denver. Roll it all up and you get what amounts to a pretty good game by your quarterback, with, as always, plenty of room for improvement.

          • theycallmerob

            Sure. I can live with that. I mentioned it last night, but we lost all 5 components- Off, Def, ST, coaching, and talent.
            It wasn’t quite a trap game in that the effort was down; to me, we were fighting until the end. During the failed 2nd half comeback, all the suspects already mentioned (no run plays, bad defense, poor ST play) helped keep MIN a step ahead. Even 1 or 2 big defensive stops would have helped turn the tide, especially after pulling to 27-22. It seems we do get some TOs on defense, but no big returns or even scores on D/ST.

          • aub32

            So I guess Washington was never out of that game where we went up 24-0. I swear some of you lack the ability to be objective.

          • theycallmerob

            wow, you were almost doing ok this morning.
            What a f*ckin dimwitted post. We were not down by 24. We were down by 5 at the start of the 4th qtr. One score. The offense went 3&out the next two possessions (guess those sacks by Foles were empty stats, right?).
            Even the last TD drive pulled them within 11, still enough time for a comeback. But the defense, for the third time that qtr, gave up a TD. Or are you referring to the last meaningless, inflated 35 yards in the final minute?

            Boy, talk about objectivity. You will say anything stupid to get your pre-formulated views across.

          • aub32

            Maybe you misunderstood because you are stuck thinking I hate Foles. The Vikings took their foot off the gas on both offense and defense in the 3rd. We got close, but I will tell you just like I said at the time of the game that the comeback was a farce because the defense was not going to be able to make the necesarry stops. They did not. We had no shot in winning that game based on the way the team was playing, that includes the offense and the defense. I thought the O line did well. DJax was obviously on. So were the TEs. Shady didn’t get enough touches. That leaves one person left. The QB was lacking yesterday. He could have won with help from the D, but that doesnt change having a bad game. Also, having a bad game does not mean he is a bad QB.

          • theycallmerob

            1) Stop straw-manning. You first put up BS about empty stats, then a second defense for that BS with more BS about the ‘skins being down 24-0. Now another one, we all misinterpret you? Care to elaborate further on the empty stats? Foles still had 3 TDs and a 100+ passer rating, wish Vick could have had more bad games like that.
            2) So somehow in your world everyone on offense played well but Foles? That’s really, truly what you saw? The bad plays were his fault, and the good plays were MIN letting up and his teammates bailing him out? and by your process of elimination that falls on Foles?

            no one has to accuse you of hating Foles at this point. It’s not an accusation if you continue to provide evidence.

          • aub32

            Let me preface this statement by saying FOles was no where near as bad as the Dallas game yesterday and that I am bringing it up to make a point. In the Dallas game, did not everyone but Foles do their part? Were receives not open? Did Foles not have time? Was Shady still Shady? The QB play was beyond awful and the offense sufferred. Yesterday the offense sufferred. I did not see receivers dropping passes. I did not see the O line getting destroyed. Shady was still Shady. So yes I blame the QB for the offense faltering. Did Foles have some good moments? Yes. However, look again and see how he was taking years in the pocket and did not even try to throw the ball away. Look at how he threw balls up in the air to no one. He was bad yesterday.

          • Maggie

            You mean like Romo?

      • GEAGLE

        Chip was just BSing…he had no intentions of running yesterday.

        We tried a few inside zones, they brought the safety up and crashed the two LBs into the A gap breaking up our double team blocks..we were able to double team Suh and fairly, but they crashed the A gap so quickly that we had to peel off our double teams Immediately and I guess Chip didn’t like how we were handling the DTs one on one..but, it’s not like he tried to adjust, run it to the outside…just abandoned it….he got too cute…saw a beat up secondary and wanted a 50pt air raid, instead they hung 50 on us….smh

    • anon

      I think short game was there but we were behind all game and I think nick was pressing, he looked aweful. Screen game would have been great given the pass rush. But I think game plan was to test their backup secondary

      • Adam

        428 yards 3 TD/1INT but he looked awful ? He missed some throws, but that’s more than enough to win a game. The defense giving up 48 points is what lost us this game, not Nick Foles’ play.

        • anon

          He threw the ball 60 times against a team without 3 of their starting dbs. They were starting saun prayer who got cut from our practice squad. We left a lot of plays on the field especially in the first half especially.

          • Adam

            60 times? Wanna try that again?

          • anon

            50 times, still crazy. We scored or were put in scoring position on big plays but we didn’t have the short possession game which is actually nicks strength, I think he, maybe Kelly too were pressing bc we were down so much. I don’t think Kelly has a lot of practice playing from behind.

          • Adam

            Yeah, the field position on those kickoffs screwed every aspect of the game. One first down and they were in scoring position. Put us behind, forced us to pass and get away from the run. Short 3 and outs put the defense back on the field again for another 8 minute drive.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Very simply put all it is, can’t wait to see all the ignorant analysts talk about how he doesn’t have what it takes now. Florio and Easterbrook, I’m looking at you.
          He still won me the week, him and desean combining for 57 pts thank the lord, I’m goin to the ship, and Dallas lost, all around yesterday wasn’t so bad. GO COUSINS GO SKINS!!
          I love how possible it is for Wash to beat Dal this weekend, Eags just have to try and take care of business with BMarsh and Alshon, and Forte, jeeze that’s scary after the product they put out yesterday.

        • aub32

          Did you watch the games or just look at the stats? Many of those yards were screens and individual efforts by the receivers. Foles was very hesitant and at times was just throwing the ball to no one. I know you love the guy, but he had a bad game.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t get why everyone misses Dutch when their is always a dope or two like you around

      • cliff henny

        awful, disagree…played less than he was showing past 4 or 5 weeks, maybe. romo, soul crushing ints. dalton at pitts after 50 starts. geno smith cant play in nfl. rg3 aand 5 picks watching in street clothes. that’s awful qb’g. if defense does anything, foles played well enough to get win.

        • aub32

          He did not. The defense were in terrible field position most of the game. Also, the Vikings let up a bit in the 2nd half. How is it that when we let up due to a big league we dismiss the opposing offense, but when we get a few yards after giving up a big lead it’s all Foles?

          • cliff henny

            defense was in terrible position because of scared ST play. foles was mediocre. minne did what eagles like to do, make teams 1 demensional. foles was certainly up and down, but awful means he gives team no chance, gave you 3 examples of awful qb play, add eli in as 4th. he was mediocre, needed defensive stop or 2, shady needs to get more than 8 carries. foles isnt brady yet, he cant carry team with 50+ throws.

          • morgan c

            They scored 21 points in the Fourth Quarter. They let up? Grrr… I know I shouldn’t even try to reason with you, because you just make stuff up to suit your pre-conceived argument. But you make it so easy!

            Vick sucks and has no future in the NFL. Get over it. Haha.
            Foles is the Quarterback of this time. Don’t like it, choose to cheer for the Browns or whoever Vick back up next year.

            Look man, in all seriousness, it’s just funny that you only come on here to post when Foles plays bad or we lose. You have been radio silent since we started winning. Seriously, for your own benefit, either choose to be a real fan or pick another team bro.

          • morgan c

            *team
            *backs
            my bad

          • aub32

            Btw we haven’t lost in 5 weeks prior to yesterday. I am sure if you check my profile that I have posted in that time frame.

          • aub32

            hahaha. you obviously know nothing about me. So let me clue you in. I have many posts about more than just QB. I am a fan of the team over any player, however if you must know my favorite eagle is DJax not Vick. I like Vick, but Foles should be starting. I think Vick “had” a chance to do some great things in this offense. I was not wrong, because he was. However, he cannot stay healthy. So bye bye Vick. I wish him the best. I don’t harp on Vick. You and others do. I look at Foles and offer both praise and criticism. I want Foles to succeed. However, I will not dismiss poor play just because I want him to be good.

          • GEAGLE

            Actually, he seems to know you very well

  • Bukester

    Anyone else trying to avoid this site today, but just can’t?!!! Not too worried about it. MN was nailing it. They played great. Hand it to them. I really think the Birds panicked from the start – they expected the Lions game buzz to carry over and it didn’t. That’s on the coach. I don’t think Nick saw the field well yesterday. I REALLY feel that when the TE’s are not in the game early, we don’t play well. The short game – pass or run – is what gives them the long game. We all know that Nick has had some luck in his long game and it wasnt there for him yesterday. Moving on ….

  • Bullwinkle

    The defense is average to poor. However, the offense could also use improvement. They should be scoring more points, given the 400 plus yards they gain each game. They gained more yards than the Vikings, but ended up way behind on the scoreboard.

    • anon

      Lost field possession game, plus nick played poorly don’t think you can ask him to throw 60 times a game.

      • nicksaenz1

        It’s not about Foles, individually, throwing 48 times in a game, but the fact that no QB should have to throw 48 times in a game when you have a top 3 back. He didn’t look as sharp as usual but it’s not like he played poorly, it was just a bad strategy to completely AR the run game. The D though, hopefully that was just a hiccup and we don’t see that again.

  • nicksaenz1

    There’s a lot that we all want to question from the this game, the squibs, an Andy Reid-like run game, why the D was so bad; but the fact of the matter is it was a letdown game, we fell for it and we have to move on. We were on a tear, and given that Romo Claus came early, it’s best we look at this as a humbling loss before the playoffs and get back to work to straighten everything out.

    • Richard Colton

      glass half full today Nick. its a Festivus miracle!

      • nicksaenz1

        I turned 30 yesterday and the Eagles game damn near ruined it, but, Romo, god bless him, because he came and made it all better. And I’m no longer in Kansas City which was two weeks of misery and cold.

        • anon

          Congrats. Cold in kc? All I remember about kc is bbq

          • nicksaenz1

            I crushed a lot of BBQ, but yeah it was colder than here, that’s for sure. Single digits most of the nights. My walks to and from the train this morning felt refreshing after the last two weeks out there.

          • GEAGLE

            I played FOles yesterday against CHarles…I’m up 22pts going into tonight and he has Torry Smith

        • Kevin

          Happy B-day, we got you Romo, the gift that keeps on giving for all of December! Mine is next Saturday, so hopefully I will get a loss I’m big D an Eagles win.
          I have Foles in fantasy and he helped me beat a team with Jamal Charles, so between een that and Tony, yesterday was disappointing, but could have been worse.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Foles helps you take down the Jamaal team this week, How about that! that’s like David and the Goliath

          • Kevin

            Nicky Foles has been incredible. He carried 2, maybe all 3 (pending tonight’s game) of my teams into the championship next week.

          • nicksaenz1

            Thanks, and yeah it definitely could have been way way worse. Thankfully it wasn’t. Romo Claus came early.

          • theycallmerob

            ha, lucky you…I played against Foles with Shady, DJ, and Coop. next year…..

            And happy birthday Nick. 30 is the new 18

          • nicksaenz1

            Thanks, 21 year old Nick was proud of 30 year old Nick.

  • Beastmode

    We will see what this team is made of next Sunday. Disappointed in Foles, he was off on some ez throws but made some nice ones too that were 10x more difficult. Puzzling.
    The defense played down to their talent level I thought, as opposed to the last 5 games.
    Henery is done. ChiP had to put the team at risk in terms of field position because we have arguably the weakest kicker in the nfl, and chip is no dummy.

    • BlindChow

      He’s hardly the weakest kicker in the NFL. He’s had more touchbacks this year than last year. He even tied his career long FG yesterday. This was simply a coach who decided he couldn’t trust his players on coverage. Kelly (or Fipp) was totally playing scared.

      • Adam

        I’ll give him credit for one thing, that was a textbook onside kick. Other than that… *fart noise*

  • Dr. Killinger

    Team was smelling itself a bit. They needed to be humbled. This loss could actually be good for them. Especially since Dallas did their usual December collapse. Gotta win these last two.

    • anon

      Hah not good if we can’t play when we are favorites, which we will be after we win the sb.

    • Max Lightfoot

      Agreed. We were due and the Vikes were geeked up – way up. I think they have over-embraced this whole spoiler thing. We can’t expect our defense to play over their talent level every single game. We need another draft. But if the Eags refocus, they might just win out. Go Iggles!

  • Will

    The only good thing about yesterday is the Cowgirls lost to Green Bay way to go Flynn…

  • Will

    Our secondary finally got exposed for what it is…..Boykin going down really hurt us in coverage…McCoy 8 carries WTF?…Giving up great field position every kick off just stupid…

  • Johnny_P

    Looking on bright side: A good loss because laws of probability were against the Eagles (would needed to reel off 11 straight to hold Lombardi Trophy)
    Looking on not so bright side: A terrible loss to a below average team, who have no identity at the QB position and were without their top two RB’s
    Looking on bright side: Dallas loss
    Looking on not so bright side: With the Dallas loss, Eagles squandered opportunity to make their playoff run easier
    Looking on bright side: This had all the makings of a trap game, which is why the NFL is so special

    Eagles are still in 1st place.

    • Adam

      We control our own destiny. That’s all you can ask for in playoff hunt.

  • bewildered eagles fan

    That pass interference call was a BS call..the Vikings knew they were gonna get favorable calls all day.. they pretty much admitted that…
    But that doesn’t excuse the defense playing like a bunch of noobs…
    This is one of those weekends where I feel like I woke up naked in a stranger bed with no recollection of the night or how I got there…feels like a win, even though we lost..Thanks Dallas cowboys for being predictable.

  • Adam

    What our defense has excelled at this year was having a team put together a long drive on them, usually starting at the 20 (or deeper if Donnie is punting), giving up yards but tightening up eventually at the end. Giving their offense a short field every time was counter intuitive to what they’ve had success with. I know Chip says it was because of them being worried about Patterson, but I feel as though it was more of a vote of non-confidence for Henery’s ability to get touch backs. They have zero trust in him and I can see why. He was a terrible pick and I can’t wait till he’s splitsville.

  • anon

    On squib kicks, read in Philly.com that we gave them the ball on avg at the 35 yd line. Apparently Patterson’s avg return is 33.5 yds, roc was straight up like if Patterson gets going we can’t catch him. Maybe the perception of the scheme is worse than the actual scheme.

  • Adam

    I guess it was finally time for all the officiating calls going our way to end. That PI on Fletcher was absolutely garbage. Taunting on Roc Carmichael was a make up call, and there was no hold on Chung during that punt return.

  • Kevin

    I think the biggest mistake Chip made was underestimating the offense for the Vikings. Can’t say I blame him, but don’t like the fact that he didn’t adjust. The kick off strategy was based on the fact that we believed the d could handle a short field. When they couldn’t, we should have kicked deep. We dared Matt Cassel to beat us and he did. I chalk this one up to a bad game plan made worse by bad execution and adjustment, but I think we bounce back next week. At least there is always Tony and a sieve called the Dallas D.

  • cliff henny

    going threw, trying to find positives in an otherwise depressing performance. we new eagles had holes, especially on defense, that were being disguised pretty well. between draft and free agency olb safety and corner need to be addressed. chung and allen need to be shown the door. the strength of defense, d-line and mlbrs played well. offense puts up 30 again, it still works, it’s explosive. need someone in slot to play between numbers. peters play bothered me most, but jared allen is still pretty solid player. foles can play, tough as nails.

  • Brian

    Maybe the Lions exposed something in our kick coverage. If Fipp knew that it couldn’t be fixed, then that explains their apprehension.

  • Andy

    The offense scored points, but Foles played below average and McCoy wasn’t really involved. Also a couple of key plays went against them early and there were some crucial penalties against both the offense and defense that really hurt. I do think it is hard to overstate how badly the kick-off strategy put the defense at a disadvantage throughout the entire game. They essentially spotted the Vikings very good field position to commence every drive rather than take a chance that they give up a big return. That kept the defense on the field and made their job so much harder and I think that is why they gave up 40 points.

    • cliff henny

      was getting so fustrated with vikes needing 1 solid pass play and being in FG range, especially with walsh. he’s good from 60, for most part, in that dome. allowed vikes offense to play stress free football.

    • GEAGLE

      If we had Buddy Ryan’s defense I would still think it’s a horrific idea to Give them the ball at the 40 every time….and for what? A rookie? I would have rather Patterson returned two kicks for TDs, ATleast our offense would be on the field and the other 3 times they would have to go 75yards to score…

      Really poor decision

  • aub32

    This is unrelated, but yesterday was pretty good for the Eagles outside of losing. First off, the Cowboys lost. We all know that’s great. However, some things happened that are nearly just as important. The Saints loss and once again showed how bad they are away from the dome. They now go to CAR next week to determine the 2 seed. SF also won. They are now tied with NO. So if NO loses next week and SF wins out then CAR is the 2 seed and NO is the 6th seed. This is great for us. NO would have to come to Philly and try to deal with the elements. If we win that we go to CAR while SF and SEA beat each other up. I couldn’t imagine a better Playoff picture.

    • brent

      sorry but NO would annihilate us, even on the road. You just watched a defense that gave up 48 to a team playing a meaningless football game down their best player, just think what a dialed-in playoff drew brees would do to us

      • theycallmerob

        ^ this.
        I want no part of NO. whether we play them 1st rd at home, or 2nd rd on the road (assuming we even make the playoffs) is a wash. STL has a much better defense than us, and they pounded the run game.
        Some folks got more excited for the 2 seed than the MIN game. Now it’s discussing matchups in the playoffs. Why is it so many people are ignoring the fact this is a flawed team in a rebuild/restructure year that is outperforming their expectations?

        • nicksaenz1

          Very true, a lot of us forget that we’ve been over-achieving all year. That doesn’t change the fact that opportunity is knocking on the door and we have to answer it.

          • theycallmerob

            I have no problem with controlling our own destiny. But after Cassel just lit us up, I find it a bit unnerving to talk about whether we’ll beat Brees in the playoffs because we have him at home.

          • nicksaenz1

            No disagreement there. We should only be talking about the Bears and how we’re all happy that pick-happy Cutler is back in their lineup instead of a rather efficient McCown.

        • Rambler

          I have been cautiously optimistic during this 5 game run. And despite all the positive talk this past week, I was in “prove it to me” mode going into this Vikings game. We have seen this type of game from the Eagles in the past way too many times, and despite the new regime this year, the Eagles still seem to overlook inferior opponents. I do think this team is above average, but clearly has flaws and expectations from me were mild. I will be thrilled if they make the playoffs, but more importantly I have faith that next year will be better. I just think it is important to have adjusted expectations this year, considering all the change that happened.

        • aub32

          Are we outperforming expectations? Yes But what about that Cowboys game last night makes you think we can’t make the playoffs. If we do make the playoffs, NO has been terrible on the road. They lost to the Jets. We are better than the Jets. So we have a shot.

        • Adam

          The way we’ve been playing and the way the rest of the division has been, NFC East Champs is not beyond the realm of expectations. Anything after that will be a nice bonus, but I don’t have any hopes of a deep playoff run. We’re just not quite there yet. But it’s close, and coming a lot sooner than most would have expected.

  • Engwrite

    I’m not about to criticize Chip Kelly. He is the coach and he is succeeding when few thought he would, at least this early. But I hope he will walk the talk and take this game as a learning experience. Minn is a running team but without their world class runners, they were likely to pass. Casell is experienced and good enough to have gone to a pro-bowl and they have three good receivers. So I’d expect them to pass, unless deep in their territory. But by kicking short, he gave them field position and flexibility throughout the game which played into their game plan. (A Minn passing game plan was a good possibility) Not wanting to risk one KO TD the Eagles plan allowed them opportunities to run their plan after every KO. I know Kelly says short kicks worked in practice but, how good is their KO returner? How good can any KO returner be? Devin Hester has 5 KO TDs in 7 years! Kelly says it’s all about execution.If so work on the STs to improve their execution and play to win, not to not lose.

    • Adam

      Just because he does things well doesn’t not mean he’s immune to criticism. I’m sure he’d be the first to say so. Let’s just hope he learns from what happened and fixes things. You know he’s licking his chops waiting to get the team back on the practice field. I expect him to bounce back big time.

      • GEAGLE

        Same..it’s what a well coached playoff team does :)

  • TNA

    This is December and for teams that are in the playoff hunt, losses hurt. And players such as Brady, Bryant, DJax, are bound to boil over. This team has to keep it together. And hopefully they will. As Shady presciently noted before the game it’s all about what have you done for me lately and this team has to stick together and push forth. It’s never easy.
    On another note, it looked like Lane was favoring his left wrist or forearm yesterday. I hope to god he’s not hurt in a bad way.

  • TNA

    I think it’s pretty clear our DBs matchup better with bigger receivers and less so with speed guys. Losing Boykin hurts because it opens up the middle and now the safeties will have to keep an additional eye for underneath routes and may lose a step on deep throws to speedy receivers.

  • Beavis

    WTF with this defense allowing opponents to convert third-and-long with ease? That 30 pass play on Third and 15 was gut wrenching to watch. It was like the Redskins game and 3 and 20 at the two minute warning. The D simply can’t allow this to happen.
    I suppose I could say the same about the offense’s propensity to go 3-and-out against crap teams. Ugh.

    • GEAGLE

      That’s what happens when you are in Man Under and the friggin safety can’t tackle anyone.,,Colt had the shot….came up with air. Billy put him exactly where he needed to be.
      ..
      People need to stop talking about the corners and start worrying about finding a safety to pair with Wolff…since we are a playoff team, I prefer that safety to be stud veteran…lol no names ring a bell

  • @PhilthyBird215

    my theory: Bill Davis and the eagles prepared for a run heavy game. Up until yesterday the Vikings offensive game plan has been based on, and Off of the run. but, yesterday they came out Throwing the ball and kept on throwing it because Our D could not adjust and stop them. it did not help loosing Brandon Boykin in third quarter.

  • EaglePete

    on a positive note, some of the DBs were right on the WRs making those long catches. Sometimes it doesnt go your way, and everything was going the Vikes way. I didnt like the kickoffs, as another poster mentioned dont play scared football, play to win. That same defense now going against the Bears O is not a good sign but its a week to week game. Tough break on the Foles block.

  • anthony barnes

    First of all that shit that happen against the Vikings is not goin to happen against the bears chip kelly is a master mind like Bill Belichick he is goin to bounce back off this

  • jesse

    as horrendous as the D played have to put some factors into it. the first obviously is the terrible field position they were put in by the most ridicules GP i have seen of rather kicking to a good rookie return man and taking your chances concede half the field.. then their is the early woe’s of the offense with 3 and outs’s the whole first half along with the uptempo so they were probably gassed also the long term effect of the uptempo wearing on them at this point in the season . but still a poor performance regardless especially by safeties .

    this team has been living with the bend don’t break mentality all season. Keeping the plays in front of them letting the short yardage down the field, believing the more plays in a drive the more chances for a mistake, and this team has capitalized on timely turnovers on several occasions this season and buckling down in the red zone that plan wasn’t used in this game DB’s let receivers get past them. safeties seemed late breaking to their deep responsibilities and taking poor angles and sloppy tackling. The D-line and LB’s played well for the most part played the run great. especially T.Cole and Cedric Thorton . not great pressure but seems Casale was a part of that with quick release and moving in pocket to avoid the sack and connect on big plays. sad truth is this is what we have a ok D that can be beaten if it doesn’t force TO’s or stand in the RZ.we are lacking a true 1 CB a good cover S and a young dominant OLB we adress these concerns in the offseason and we will have a above average to good Defense to go along with what will become an unstopable O