Game Review: Eagles Offense Vs. Vikings

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

Here’s a position-by-position review of the Eagles’ offensive performance against the Vikings after having re-watched Sunday’s game.

QUARTERBACKS


* Tough game to critique for Nick Foles. He threw for 428 yards, three touchdowns (one INT) and averaged 8.9 YPA. Normally those are phenomenal numbers. And Foles did have some excellent moments. But I came away thinking he could have closed in on 600 yards. Keep in mind this is without the benefit of the All-22 (not released yet). There were a lot of times where he identified open receivers but was off-target with his throws.

* Of the 18 incompletions, I counted nine where it looked like Foles just missed: He missed DeSean Jackson on a corner route in the second. He threw low to Jackson on a comeback route late in the first half. He missed Jason Avant badly on a corner route on third down in the third. He was picked off after initially having Jackson open in the third. He sailed a throw to Avant later in the quarter and was low to Cooper on the next play. Foles sailed one to Zach Ertz on a corner route and fired high to LeSean McCoy in the flat. Again, it wasn't decision-making, more just inaccurate throws.

* But like I said, there were a lot of good throws. He set up the screen beautifully in the first, faking to Avant before coming back to McCoy for 24 yards. Foles' toughness was on full display. He stood in the pocket, took a hit and delivered to Jackson for 17 yards on third down in the second. Great throw to Jackson on the wheel route for 20 yards on the next play. He avoided pressure, slid to his right and made a fantastic throw to Jackson for 21 yards late in the first half. Then in the third, Foles stepped up in the pocket and found Jackson for a 16-yard gain. Later, he escaped to his left and found Avant for 13 yards on third down. His best throw of the day might have been the 30-yard TD to Jackson. Foles faked to his right and then put the ball on the money for the score. In the fourth, Foles stepped up away from edge pressure and found Ertz for 17 yards. He took a hit but delivered to Jackson on a shallow crosser that picked up 51. And he made a nice throw on the run to Avant for the 16-yard TD.

* As a runner, Foles picked up 41 yards. He kept the ball on a zone-read play in the first that gained 9. Good decision to take off for 21 yards on third down in the first, but he slid too late and took a hit.

* There were multiple occasions where Foles held the ball too long. There very well might not have been anyone open, but he needs to throw it away or take off in those situations. For example, on 2nd-and-4 in the third, Foles tried to buy time, held the ball for about six seconds and took a sack. That set up 3rd-and-16. In the first, Foles wanted to go to Cooper, but he was covered. He was slow to escape the pocket and took a sack.

* On 3rd-and-1 in the second, he probably should have handed the ball off to McCoy on a zone-read play. Jared Allen played it well and tackled Foles when he kept it. The peel-back block that negated the Jackson TD on the double reverse was unnecessary. But I can't kill Foles for that. He's in an unusual spot there and just trying to help his teammate.

* Overall, an uneven performance with highs and lows.

RUNNING BACKS

* LeSean McCoy only had eight carries for 38 yards. Chip Kelly has pointed out that the Eagles weren't getting much push and failed to pick up half-a-yard in the third. But McCoy did average 4.8 YPC. It's not like he was getting stuffed all game long. In the second, McCoy picked up 16 on a toss to the left. And he had a 7-yard run in the third.

* McCoy was excellent as a receiver with five catches for 68 yards. He picked up 24 on a screen in the first. He hauled in a high throw in the second and picked up 22 on another screen. McCoy picked up 14 on a third screen in the fourth.

* Great effort as a blocker on the double reverse to Jackson. Overall, good game given the opportunities.

* Chris Polk played more snaps (nine) than Bryce Brown (three). He dropped an easy pass in the flat in the first. On Brent Celek's 25-yard screen in the third, Polk leveled a linebacker.

* Great hustle play by Brown in the fourth. He picked up a blitzer and then got downfield to help block on Jackson's 51-yard catch and run.

WIDE RECEIVERS

* Jackson had a monster day with 10 catches for 195 yard and a TD. He started in the backfield and ran a wheel route for 20 yards in the second. Good job of keeping his feet in bounds. Great grab near the sideline for 15 yards with a defender draped all over him. Jackson hauled in a 30-yard TD in the third. And he had a fantastic catch and run for 51 yards in the fourth. Jackson didn't do much to break up the INT and seemed to take issue with wide receivers coach Bob Bicknell on the sideline.

* Riley Cooper had four catches for 29 yards. He had a shot on a deep ball near the sideline in the second but couldn't keep his feet in bounds. Nice catch and run in the third on a shallow cross. Cooper picked up 13 yards and bowled over a defender. He also caught a two-point conversion late.

* Jason Avant had three catches for 40 yards. One was a 13-yarder on 3rd-and-10 in the third. Another was the 16-yard TD in the fourth. Avant ran a great route on the play.

* Brad Smith ran a short hitch, broke a tackle and picked up 14 in the second. I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see a little more of him.

TIGHT ENDS

* Brent Celek (31 snaps) actually played less than Ertz (45 snaps). Celek did a great job sealing Allen inside on McCoy's run that picked up 16. He also had a good seal on McCoy's 7-yard run in the third. He only had one catch, but Celek did a great job of being patient, setting up his blockers and finishing for a 25-yard gain that set up a TD in the third.

* Ertz made a phenomenal grab in the third, hauling in a TD with one hand on a fade. He also had a 17-yard catch and run in the third. Overall, six catches for 57 yards. He was asked to block Allen on a run play in the second and got beat as McCoy was dropped for no gain. Ertz also had a drop early on.

* James Casey only played five snaps.

OFFENSIVE LINE

* The Eagles had issues in protection. The offensive line wasn't a disaster, but plenty of things that need to be cleaned up.

* Jason Peters had a couple issues. He was beat cleanly for a sack in the third and gave up a hit on Foles in the fourth. In the first, Allen beat Peters for a sack, but Foles held on to the ball after seeing Cooper was covered. Not a lot of opportunities in the run game, but Peters did a nice job on the DT on McCoy's early 16-yard run.

* Evan Mathis held up well for the most part in protection. He gave up a hit on Foles on third down in the fourth, but that was it. In the run game, he took care of the safety on McCoy's 16-yard scamper.

* Good game for Jason Kelce. Didn't notice any issues in protection. He got out in front on McCoy's 16-yard run and threw the key block on the screen to McCoy that picked up 24. Kelce got out in front on McCoy's screen that picked up 22, and he did a good job pulling on McCoy's 7-yard run in the third.

* Todd Herremans had a couple issues in protection early. He got beat in the first, but Foles scrambled for 21. He also gave up pressure on a short completion to Ertz in the second. Herremans held up well in the second half. In the run game, he pulled on McCoy's 7-yard run. His block on the screen to Celek got the play started. And Herremans shoved a DB to the ground on McCoy's 14-yard screen in the fourth.

* Lane Johnson was up and down. He had some issues in protection. Brian Robison gave him trouble off the edge in the second, but Foles slid away and connected with Jackson. Robison beat Johnson in the third, causing Foles to throw behind Jackson on a crosser. Johnson gave up some pressure in the fourth with the offense backed up, but Foles stepped up. Later on the possession, he gave up a hit on Foles. Johnson and Herremans did a poor job on a fourth-quarter stunt and gave up a sack.

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  • Michael Jorden

    Really not looking forward to the DEF review…

    • Clamdigger

      Two-word review: Shit Sandwich.

      • GEAGLE

        Kendricks and Logan played well

        • Clamdigger

          True.

        • Myke Lowery

          I’m sure Kendricks is happy about his stats.

        • jesse

          thought T.Cole played the run exceptional

          • GEAGLE

            But brought NO PRESSURE which is his number 1 responsibility….I’m not about to praise him for shutting down a practice squad RB

      • magicmikec

        Where’d they print that, where’d they print that?
        You can’t print that!

    • #7

      Kendricks played a nice games. I don’t recall right off if he missed a bunch of tackles or not

      • Michael Jorden

        Well, Kendricks and I think Logan played good games. Clearly we didn’t get enough pressure but the secondary was puke inducing. I mean, did they go out drinking before the game? I can see scouring the CB and S off season options in my near future.

  • Richard Colton

    Here’s how high we’ve set the bar for Foles after 6 weeks of outstanding play: on Sunday, our QB had the 7th best passing day in franchise history. and most of us will agree it was an off day for the kid. Let that simmer for a bit.

    • Phyxius

      Don’t you just love this fan base? That’s Philly for ya – the most passionate fans in the world.

      • GEAGLE

        Try the most ignorant fanbase in the world

        • Tom w

          Correct.

          • GEAGLE

            The sad part, is we are so screwed up, we actually think we are good fans

          • Richard Colton

            You should know this – the reason we are a great fanbase is because we’re passionate. We boo because we’re smart enough to know what good football looks like. When we don’t get it because of effort or lack of talent – you’ll hear it. Are there better NFL fans in America? Where are they?

            If by “ignorant” you mean stepping past pools of vomit in the 700 level bathrooms in the Vet while a guy in a Redskins jersey is getting a swirly in the toilet and 12 guys are chanting “Pi$$ in the sink” – then yeah. Guilty.

          • Richard Colton

            downvote by the Redskins fan who got the swirly. Sir, in my defense, I was 18 years old and Chris T. Jones had just scored his 4th pre-season TD.

        • OregonDucker

          Broken hearts cause people to get emotional GEAGLE.

      • GEAGLE

        Havnt figured out what’s worse yet, our fans or our media

    • Clamdigger

      I got killed for suggesting Foles had an off-day.

    • Chris

      Right on point. There were a few times where I felt like he was holding the ball too long, and maybe he missed a few throws but that happens to every good QB in every game. This loss falls on gambling on ST and losing, and the defense. I feel like the Vikings are a better team than their record suggested and I said so before the game, they have been playing tough all year and losing close games. We dodged a bullet with the boys collapsing (what a beautiful thing) but have to get that stuff ready for the bears. Id give anything to have that cowboys game be meaningless and us still beat them.

    • Token

      Ive never seen a young QB get so closely criticized every week. Peoples expectations are just soooo far out of wack. Even professional beat writers.

      Its just a weird situation.

      Obviously Foles has things to work on. Hes in his 2nd year with I believe less than a seasons worth of starts. But good lord, people are really going overboard. What other young QBs are out there playing great every week, every snap? Hell, what other QBs in general? Manning?

      The biggest thing I cant wrap my head around is where these expectations come from. After the QB play we have watched for the last few years I would think people would be happy.

      One thing id like to see is getting back to more short to intermediate plays. The quicker plays. Just keep that tempo going, rack up first downs. I feel like the deep shots are being used to often. But maybe thats just me.

      • Richard Colton

        Yeah. It’s just one of those things. Nothing happens in a bubble obviously, but if the defense plays well in the 2nd half, the story of this game is Nick Foles leading the comeback. Take away the 35 yards on the final drive in garbage time. He gets 390, 3 TDs, 1 INT and a win? We’re seriously having the “Foles should be getting votes for the MVP runner-up” conversation.

        • Token

          The key part of the game was when the offense got it within what I think was 5? points. The D, instead of getting the ball back, allowed a 3rd and 14 because Kendricks didnt bat the ball down and then some other bum missed a tackle. At that point the game was over for good.

      • GEAGLE

        It’s just dumb….what this kid has shown has FUTURE GREATNESS written all over him

        • cliff henny

          guy hasnt even played a year, doesnt turn it over, big knock is accuracy but completes over 60% wait till he gets better and does show pocket awareness most of the time, it’s there. does hold on at times but not all the time. arm strength has improved and hals will throw him in atlantic to fight sharks or something, foles will be stronger in ’14.
          .
          hey man, what’s going on with this Asik trade? you know hinkie and morey are drooling over all those celtics 1sts. saw a trade with bobcats jumping in as 4th, taking asik, sixers sending turner to celts, hawes and young to rockets. sixers take back gerald wallace and bunch of picks. more of a joke, theory was morey and hinkie ae only going to get 1 shot at being in multi-team tade together. after they fleece this 1st time, no one’s going to trust them.

        • #7

          Uhhh I would be careful with anointing Foles withe the “FUTURE GREATNESS” label. I give the kid credit, but man has he had a ton of things go right for him. It’s really unbelievable to watch. I cannot get that Raider game out of my mind man…just the way the Raider DBs were falling down all over the place right at the perfect time. Not taking anything away from him, but he even said it himself that he cannot explain that game

          • IDB

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL bitter?

          • #7

            Nope

      • Coatesvillain

        Never? So you’ve missed the criticism that’s been levied on Cam Newton and Kaepernick these past couple seasons?

        It comes with the position. All starting QBs catch grief from their fanbases.

        • Richard Colton

          Apples & oranges Coates. You’re talking about two players being legitimately criticized for poor statistical performances in their 2nd year as starters. And I don’t ever recall Kap being criticized after a 300 yard game…probably because he only has one in his entire career.

          • Coatesvillain

            Cam was criticized after strong performances in losses. I think it’s dangerous to shout how great Foles is and then fall on “second year QB” when he struggles some.

            At this point he’s a starting QB, and as I said they all catch grief from their fanbases. As long as people keep perspective and put the performance in context it’s good.

          • Richard Colton

            You’d have to show me where Cam was criticized after a strong statistical day. His numbers were off in his 2nd year and the team didn’t take the next step. That’s where I recall the Cam-bashing starting.

          • therevxxx

            Remember, the national media doesn’t dissect each QB like their own fan bases do. Go to other team’s websites and you will see the same over-reactions about everything. This is nothing out of the norm

          • Richard Colton

            right on. I said the same thing below. RGIII is getting killed today. Eli as well – he just set the INT record. Tony Romo should be, but Dallas fans are to stupid to recognize a professional choke artist.

        • bill

          Meh. Kap is in his 3rd year, with an exceptionally more talented roster backing him up, and has had legitimately BAD games; Foles v. Dallas level game*S*. Foles certainly deserved criticism for his Dallas game – I’m not sure even Geagle would argue that one. But point to a game where Kap threw for over 300 yds, 3 td/1 int, where his game was put under a microscope. I don’t think you’ll find it.
          Foles deserves criticism for his game on Sunday. Overall, he’s got some serious flaws that he needs to work on. But, man oh man, he has more pressure on his shoulders than any 2nd year QB in the league that isn’t named Luck. If he isn’t a star of the game, the Eagles lose, and the Vick fans come out of their hibernation to raise a racket. All this on a 2nd year QB making approximately a half-season of starts in the current offense.

    • Explorer51

      To put an exclamation point on that, that’s 7th best in over one thousand games played…and he hasn’t played a full season yet.

      A week ago, he was on the League MVP short list by some; today he’s being nit-picked on a week that Peyton, Brees, and Brady’s teams also were beaten by inferior squads. I wonder if the media and fans in Denver, NO, and Boston are doing a throw by throw critique?

      The kid has shown some real talent and promise but he’s had his down spots as well. Like every other NFL QB in ninety years. How about if we just enjoy the fact that we’re still playing relevant games at the end of the season, and that he has been a big reason for that?

      • Richard Colton

        well put

      • OregonDucker

        Yes, more fans need to enjoy his maturation – we may be seeing something really special.

    • Bdawkbdawk

      I don’t think that is fair. Sure Foles put up very nice stats. But we are witnessing a superior offensive game-planner pick apart unprepared teams. Moreover, the Vikings do not have a good defense. We can’t say, “look at historical numbers” because that is not comparing like with like. Chip Kelly is no joke.
      We should look at the throws Foles made. A couple very nice ones to Desean, but a large amount of easy screens and drag routes. And the inordinate amount of throws he missed quite badly. We also seem to forget that teams which are down by a large margin, often put up gaudy numbers on conservative zone defenses.
      We also should look at the bad turnover and numerous bad sacks taken. These things matter. Chip says they do. And we all seemed very willing to point them out when Vick messed them up. I am not saying Vick is better. He’s not. Not even close. But why have we suddenly thrown objectivity out the window over Foles?

      • Richard Colton

        What part do you disagree with? The part where I said he had an off day or the part where I pointed out it was the 7th best passing day in Eagles history?

        I guess my overarching point is that our expectations have shot through the roof for a 3rd round draft pick with less than a year’s worth of starts under his belt. AND I LOVE IT.

        • Bdawkbdawk

          That it was the 7th best passing day in Eagles history, of course. But also your implicit assumption that Foles has been a victim of his own success and that he is facing undue scrutiny.
          Anyone watching Foles play that game Sunday could see that he missed way too many easy throws and that his high statistical numbers were a byproduct of a very favorable scheme, matchup, and game conditions. He also made several, very bad throws and took a few very bad sacks.
          He got outplayed by Matt Cassell for godsakes. You sub Foles out of the game for league average quarterback play and we do at least as well if not better.
          It’s a shame that Football has such small sample sizes, because Sunday was a great example of how counting stats grossly misrepresent the game. Foles’ WAR would have been ~0.

          • Richard Colton

            you’re kidding. you had me until you said WAR. You honestly think Vick would have the same success? I watched Vick his entire career. Delusional.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            Just to clarify- I meant WAR in a strictly baseball fashion. As in wins above league average replacement. Not Wins above Mike Vick.

          • Richard Colton

            OK. got it. in that case it’s not a delusional argument, just a bad one.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            You’re doing the very same things as the commentors you openly mock. It tickles me to watch. Just check out the game film again. Ask yourself why Cassell dropped 48 and we scored 30 against a soft zone shell in garbage time.

          • Richard Colton

            I keep saying he had an off day. Why won’t anyone believe me? I just think it’s great that his off day was 400 yards and 3 TDs.

            Your argument about Cassell is silly and pointless. If you really believed it you’d be willing to say that Matt Cassell would make a better QB for this team than Foles. You won’t. So thats it.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            I believe you. I just don’t think given the circumstances 400 yards and 3 TDs was a good off day. that’s it. I don’t like Cassell. He is not better than Foles. I will say this a million times.

          • #7

            If that would have been Vick your opinion would be totally different…..

            400 yards in garbage time.

            So that’s it

          • #7

            Would be the same, if not better. And if not, Vick would be benched. Simple as that.

          • Richard Colton

            Maybe its me. Do me a favor and repost that comment in a current thread. Or find one sports writer willing to make that comment. just one.

          • #7

            Why do I care what they think? They’re right all the time? Hell no.

            I don’t wish injury on any players, like you, but don’t be surprised when Vick comes trotting back onto the field. Foles is getting up slower and slower with each hit.

          • Richard Colton

            not they. one. find one. you won’t be able to, because your opinion is far out of mainstream…because its ridiculous

          • #7

            Says The Great Richard Colton lol.

            Vick will shine again. It ain’t over. Just watch

          • Richard Colton

            that one’s going up on the wall. You know I liked Vick – college, ATL, and 2010. Hell, if USAA wasn’t so damn cheap, I’d switch to Cure Auto. But its 2013. He’s a backup. It’s over.

          • #7

            Just remember that I told you so

          • Richard Colton

            I think we can agree – you won’t let anyone forget. Kidding aside, in the right circumstance, Vick could have success again. Remember McMahon with the ’91 Eagles? Sports Illustrated cover and everything. How about a 40 year-old Vick leading the upstart London Jaguars to a 10-10 regular season record. Why not?

          • #7

            It ain’t over until he hangs up the cleats. And not just Vick. People are saying that Eli Manning is done…. at 33… he has another run in him too.

          • IDB

            Wipe off your chin, son. Its embarrassing

          • #7

            Uhh you might want to tell that to the Foles lovers. If they all have goatee’s, their chin hairs are probably stuck together and hard as rocks.

            Vick was on pace to have 4000yds passing and 900 rushing. That’s 10x better than Foles could ever do

          • #7

            RAC inflated his numbers. No doubt about that

      • IDB

        He had 18 incompletions on 48 passes. He didn’t miss an inordinate number of anything.
        They scored 30 points on the road and the kid threw for 400 and 3 TD’s. The D gave up 48 points. Stop assigning blame. Let him develop and stop looking so closely at it. You’ll live longer.

    • OregonDucker

      Have to wait for the All-22 but I think Foles had trouble with the secondary’s cover scheme. The Vikes might have had split coverage, i.e. zone on one side and press man on the other. This slowed his decision making then he hurried his throws – IMHO.

      • #7

        I think you’re exactly right. And when he did let it go, he was really wild with his throws.

        No one is perfect though, so hopefully he can get back on track for the playoffs, which we should get in if we give the ball to McCoy in every way possible

  • Myke Lowery

    how does someone not know the rule about cut blocks on a crack back by now? anyone else see Polk do the double guns.. bang bang shots.. at the guy he tackled on special teams?

    • GEAGLE

      It used to be legal (peal back blocks), changed it recently…I blame it on Vick lol. They all look up to him and his dumb ish rubbed off on our golden boy :)

      • jesse

        feel the same way about holding the ball to long between watching Vick and knowing this team can break one for the house if you can just hold it for another .02 seconds longer gets us to many coverage snaps

  • theycallmerob

    Sheil,
    great review.
    later in the week, is there a chance you could breakdown the run plays? to be fair, there are only 8. I’m curious how Kelly’s statement about “push” plays out on the tape, considering Shady’s YPC and your review both paint a rosier picture.
    (please and thank you)

    • Tom w

      Need to take into account the read option plays and continuous eight man fronts we faced. Foles correctly kept a number of handoffs to shady himself and either ran or threw the ball. They aren’t designed qb keeps or designed play action passes … Foles option. I counted atleast 7-12 extra carries shady could’ve got. U don’t run into a wall of 8 guys. U throw on the third string corners. It’s not rocket science. Let’s not punish chip for doing what we always wished Andy did … Run into dime and nickel coverage … Ie chip throws into 8 man fronts and foles threw for a shitload but left about 21 pts and another 200 yds on the field

  • Andy124

    Of the 18 incompletions, I counted nine where it looked like Foles just missed:

    Interesting. Don’t recall seeing a breakdown of this nature before. I think some sites do track ‘well-thrown percentage’ or something of that nature. It’d be nice to see what is typical.

    • BlindChow

      This was why people have been saying his numbers were better than his performance. I guess if Kelly had run more, Foles’ misses would’ve been less likely to be drive-killers.

  • Media Mike

    How about Kelce’s missed block on the 4th and 1 play?

  • #7

    I see people are getting riled up on here on why Foles is getting “critiqued” so “harshly”.

    The level that he’s been playing at warrants this, fair or not. Foles has played very well, but the NFL catches up with everyone. We will not know what he really is until next season. The Oakland game, DBs were just falling down at the right time and even he said that he couldn’t explain that game. He’s had a TON of things go his way this year and some of this is also tied to Foles playing well. I’m on the fence still, but Foles is proving me wrong a little bit at a time. Not that that really means anything lol.

    • Richard Colton

      Bit of a strawman there. I don’t know honestly. I think some people are overly sensitive to criticism of players on their team – because the criticism is in their face 24/7. RGIII is getting pilloried as we speak. Cam Newton was getting killed last year. Jay Cutler was persona non grata when he wouldn’t go back in the game injured.

      Bottom line for me is that he’s played so well, it’s like we’re changing our expectations week-to-week.

      • #7

        I think the critique of Foles is light and it’s not even close to the level that Vick was getting on here. Even Vick’s press conferences were critiqued by the word.

        For me, again, we will see the real Foles next season. Sometimes the ball bounces a player’s way and I feel that this has happened with Foles. He like to throw those jump balls to WRs (Jackson, which makes no sense…and he throws them late) and at some point they will be picked off. And some of the sacks that he takes from holding the ball too long are just brutal to watch.

        As far as RG3, he had this coming. Starting from all of the hype he put on himself with all of the commercials and him being too arrogant to take advice from McNabb and Warren Moon, who said this would happen. This is why I always use the phrase “the NFL will catch up with you”. It caught up with RG3…and when they took that first read away from him this year, the Diva was LOST out there.

        Foles is playing well, but we will see what he really is next year guaranteed.

        • Richard Colton

          Well of course. A lot of the Vick criticism was over the lack of direction by the organization. Like – why bother rebuilding with this guy, we know who he is. I’ll accept Foles making mistakes in his 10th or 13th start that I would have ripped Vick for in his 113th. Its the unknown promise vs. the known quality. It’s what the Vick people never understood. They’re getting it now…or they’ve left.

          • #7

            We were never rebuilding IMO (at least not on offense) which is why I was predicting that we had a very good chance to reach the playoffs back in OTAs. I’ve seen Brady and all the best make bone headed mistakes and they have as many starts as Vick. It happens man. I think the bottom line is it’s a team game to the ultimate level in football and you have to have players around you playing at a high level. You guys wanted something different at QB. Period. I thought that was unfair and you guys call it “worshiping” but I call it “seeing the big picture and not just looking at one player”. This is one of the main reasons I supported Vick besides my belief that he gave us the best chance to win and you have to be dynamic most of the time to win the SB in this day and age.

            Just so happened that the o-line is healthy and playing at a high level this year for Foles. Luck is what I call that and every team needs some luck as far as injuries are concerned.

            Don’t get me wrong, I’m SOOO glad that we’re winning, but when the playoffs come I am concerned about Foles. You say that “you know who Vick is”…well you guys thought you knew who Vick was in 2010 and it was completely different than anyone IN AMERICA expected from him. I was probably one of the few that believed that he would light up the NFL. Should have been MVP in 2010 IMO.

            It’s different year to year for every QB. We don’t “know who they are”.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. He was who we though he was (nod to Dennis Green). Everything the fans said about Vick before the season was true.

          • #7

            Lol ok……

          • Richard Colton

            you want to keep fighting Foles vs. Vick? not sure why. losing proposition. Lets see…

            1) Vick, based on style of play, size, and age is more likely to be injured this year. Check
            2) Vick turns the ball over too much for CK offense. Check

            3) Vick, at 33, doesn’t represent the future of this franchise and will delay us from finding out if the franchise QB is on the roster or not. Check

            4) Running QB not most important factor for CK. Check

            It all came true. Deny if you want.

          • #7

            How am I fighting for Vick now? Was speaking in past tense.

            1) Vick injury was a fluke injury. Check

            2) Vick was not turning the ball over (when healthy) and was praised for that on these very threads. Check

            3) Chip didn’t seem to care about the future or he would have let Vick go. Organization also. Check

            4) If/when Chip drafts a QB, he would pick a QB that IS A THREAT to run and if he has one that CAN run and throw he would take him. Check

          • Richard Colton

            My god. The mental gymnastics you do. a fluke injury? the turnovers? either drinking water from the Schuylkill made me psychic or I watched Vick for 14 years.

            Thank God for that “fluke” injury predicted by everyone. Can you imagine how far back it would have set the franchise if Vick had started 13 or 14 games?

          • #7

            We agree to disagree. If Foles is so good, he would have stepped in and played well next year if that was the case.

            And a fluke injury it was. The injury wasn’t on Vick holding the ball too long or taking unnecessary hits…like Foles does as we speak. He was running out of bounds like everyone was harping about that he did not do enough. FOles made the most of his chance and good for him. No mental gymnastics, just facts. But I see you don’t like facts very much when it comes to Vick. You just wanted someone different behind center…anyone but Vick and you’ve said as much. And it fits right in with your character to wish an injury on a player on your own team.

            I’m 1000% not surprised that you would make a comment like that

          • Richard Colton

            Once again – putting words in someone’s mouth poorly is your m.o. Vick’s non-life, non-career threatening injury was lucky. Admit it. While you’re at it you might as well admit Wally Pip’s and Drew Bledsoe’s injuries were good luck for their respective franchises.

            You realize that if Vick played the entire season we wouldn’t know if Foles can play, right? Please tell me you do. You are insanely idiotic when it comes to Vick. Probably the reason you and your crew have been regularly laughed off these boards.

          • #7

            “Thank God for that “fluke” injury”

            Anyway, it was a fluke injury and Foles did what he was supposed to do. You mention Bledsoe….same thing. Brady comes in and plays lights out and there is no reason to switch back.

            My opinion is that the results would have been the same if not better if Vick didn’t have the hammy. You get mad because our opinions do not match lol. Also, if you would actually read my original post, it was not about Vick at all. Take a look again. If Foles was so good he would have win the job in the beginning. The organization’s confidence apparently wasn’t that high on Foles or Vick would have been cut. We can’t agree on that?

            And laughed off these boards? I think not. I can’t be on here like I used to and I’m on every gameday thread. We’ll see who’s laughing last when that playoff pass rush starts laying the wood on Foles. Hopefully he can handle the pressure and hopefully we win, but yes, I think that we would be better with Vick. Just my opinion bro. You shouldn’t take that so personal.

          • Richard Colton

            personal? are you kidding? you’re half the reason I come here. I can’t lose you and Dutch.