What They’re Saying About the Eagles

NFL: Detroit Lions at Philadelphia Eagles

Here’s a roundup of what the national media are saying about the Eagles and their Week 15 matchup against the Vikings. Plus a what-if scenario to ponder about the 2013 draft.

ESPN.com’s John Clayton notes that the Birds could open up a two-game lead in the NFC East if things fall their way Sunday:

The Eagles seized control of the NFC East last week with their snowy victory over Detroit combined with the Cowboys’ loss in Chicago. They could open a bigger lead if the chips fall in the right place. As much as everyone is talking about Chip Kelly’s offense and how Foles has been able to avoid making turnovers, the less-discussed story has been Philly’s improved defense. Over their past nine games, the Eagles have allowed 18.1 points a game after surrendering 34.5 during the first four.

Steve Muench of ESPN.com re-drafts the top-five from last April. He thinks that if the teams were selecting again now Lane Johnson would have gone first overall. He gives the Eagles safety Kenny Vaccaro at No. 4:

What if the Eagles don’t take a tackle because Fisher and Johnson are off the board and they know that Joeckel will get hurt? Richardson would be in play, but New Orleans free safety Kenny Vaccaro would be an interesting option considering they need help at safety and he’s another rookie playing a high level.

Andy Benoit of TheMMQB.com previews Eagles-Vikings:

Quietly, the Eagles have put together a very solid defense—one that’s becoming increasingly more adept at blitzing. The Vikings’ problems with blitz pickup have gradually been ironing out, but the amoeba looks with Trent Cole and Connor Barwin standing up behind explosive down-linemen Vinny Curry and Brandon Graham will be a real challenge. If the Vikings can protect Matt Cassel, they’ll have a chance. Cassel is very average in almost all facets. But unlike Christian Ponder, he reads the entire field and is more willing to attempt anticipation throws. This has galvanized the receivers.

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com has the Eagles in a 30-27 victory:

The Eagles are riding high on offense and sit atop the NFC East. And they get a Minnesota defense that isn’t very good. But I think the Vikings will show up here and play the Eagles tough, even if they don’t have Adrian Peterson. It’s tight.

Elliot Harrison of NFL.com has the Eagles, 30-22:

Jared Allen gets a safety while Blair Walsh hits from 55 and 58 yards out — and the Vikings still fall. There was so much promise after Minnesota enjoyed two consecutive weeks of not losing, including a close victory over Chicago in Week 13. Then came Baltimore. Ugh. Now Adrian Peterson is hurt. Frankly, we don’t feel the Vikes have the horses to keep up with the Eagles. We’re thinking LeSean McCoy, who just went off for 217 rushing yards and two touchdowns in the snow, has another monster game — but more of the “75 yards rushing, 70 yards receiving” variety. Nick Foles will take some shots at the Minnesota secondary, which hasn’t played as poorly as advertised but can still relinquish big plays. (Alshon Jeffery is on record as being a fan.) Vikings rookie Cordarrelle Patterson keeps this game close with another kick return to the house. Mark it down.

Peter Schrager of FoxSports.com predicts a 34-17 win for the Eagles:

Josh Freeman’s not expected to take any snaps on Sunday. He’s being paid $2 million by the Vikings this year, and he’s played in one game for the team. Someday, they’ll make a documentary on his 2013 season called “The Best Gig Ever.” As for Philadelphia, the Eagles are rolling. This one won’t be easy in the Metrodome, but I can’t see Minnesota’s D stopping Chippah’s offense.

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk has the Eagles, 27-20:

The three-win Vikings have three opportunities to play spoiler. Spoiling the next-to-last game at the Metrodome will be an Eagles team that has won five in a row and is 5-1 on the road.

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  • addicted2mula

    The Eagles have a good defense?!?!? Ha! That’s a lie!

    • Richard Colton

      Right. it should read “(the) Eagles have a good defense.” Because for the last five weeks, its been true.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Grammar nazi was about to come comment, you beat me to it.

        Happy they’re finally getting the attention they deserve, for good or bad, CK probably doesn’t like all the attention but then on second thought, the mental strength he’s instilled among the team, I bet they are all effectively blocking it out. Seems like that from the outside anyways.
        I’ve got Foles McCoy Desean tomorrow for semis for fantasy, jesus lord almighty in the heavens am I ever pumped.

        • theycallmerob

          me too wally….dj/coop/shady. hoping for the title!

          • G_WallyHunter

            Awesome, can share in the hopeful success, you’re starting Coop and DJ eh? that’s a tough one. Hopefully both put up at least 10 (the latter hopefully 25, I’m expecting a huge game from him)
            Got Vereen and Sanders too, Keenan Allen got me 14.9 the other night great start to the week. Bush or Pitta I’ll be playing at flex monday (Pitta if Bush can’t go or if I think that recent bandaid will tweak in first Q)..

            Good Luck, I’m not making the trip out of town now due to this crazy weather (Philly storm made it’s way across the great lake, probably 10-15 inches getting dumped on today), looks like I’ll be catching the game afterall! can’t wait

          • theycallmerob

            Know we’ve discussed this before, but crazy similar teams. I’m going McCoy and Vereen, and Zac Stacy as the flex. I still don’t trust Bush’s health, and my only other WRs are James Jones and Streater from OAK. Don’t think either will do better than Coop. Just praying Foles doesn’t throw all his TDs to the TEs

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yup we discussed back when we had Julio lol. Funny no one in my league had even close to the injuries I had with Wayne, Julio, Finley all going down by week 6, and I’m still looking great, my Foles and Keenan Allen pickups were pivotal GM moves, then Sanders finding late-season success has really helped.

            McCoy and Vereen at RBs, same with me, Bush is my flex with Pitta as insurance (Picked up D. Walker to start this week, Roto is convincing me). No other good flex options out there, waiver wire is full of scraps. Hoping Bush can just go all game, we’ll get a better picture tomorrow and Monday. You have Stacy so can easily bench Bush, I don’t have any options like that.

            I think that’s a good choice with WRs, James Jones just can’t be depended on, might as well go Coop and have that extra entertainment. It’s so fun watching 3 players play on one offense for your team haha, one very explosive and productive offense, I might add.

          • theycallmerob

            It’s so fun watching 3 players play on one offense for your team haha, one very explosive and productive offense, I might add.

            That’s just it. I had an inkling about Kelly going into the year, especially with the draft of LJ and return of Peters, Kelce, and Herremans. I figured if they stayed healthy, there is no way DJ and McCoy would have bad years (remember the hype re: DJax in camp? How he had become virtually unguardable? and stopped dropping passes, while learning the entire WR offense for Kelly?)
            I remember getting laughed at during the draft. But we also had a guy take Manning-Decker-Den D/ST, and someone grabbed Brees-Graham with their 1st/2nd. I liked my picks then, and I still do now.

          • G_WallyHunter

            HAHA sounds like my draft as well. Someone took Rodgers 13th overall and Manning 26th, I laughed. Got Desean in the 6th rd I think? McCoy 2nd overall. We had insider info on these guys that no one else had, so I hear you there, we had this inkling as fans that knew more information that they would explode.

            Did u say someone took Manning 1 Decker 2 Denver 3? holy jesus that’s just crippling. Some guy in my league took Foster 1 Rodgers 2 and Harvin 3 (I was writing down the picks on the board at the live draft, I laughed pretty hard in his face when he said “I pick Percy Harvin”), does that beat it?

          • theycallmerob

            no, sorry, not 1-2-3…just meant in the same draft. I didn’t go Shady/DJ 1-2, my top 5 were shady-julio-cobb-dj-ridley. halfway through the season nabbed Coop and the eagles D/ST (to cover a bye week, but held on to them). Last week in the first rd, I beat the Brees-Graham guy (being from here, he also had Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith).
            My matchup this week has Foles, which is why I hope he throws his TDs to my guys!

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ah I c. Ya that would have been a little crazy. Nice bye week pickups, I grabbed CAR D in like week 10 was great pickup, don’t know how it was on the wire, they were second in points at the time.
            I beat Brees-Marshall last week, McCoy and Vereen combining for 66.3 points is just a lifesaver. Let’s see it again this week.
            Sucks to play Foles, but you have a very good chance that 2 outta say 3 of his TDs would go to your guys. Celek and Ertz are the two to worry about, other than that it’s looking good. I’m anticipating a 30 point game from Desean, really am, so that will dig us out of any hole we may be in from other position groups.

          • GEAGLE

            Where did you guys get Shady? I had to “reach” for him at #3 lol

          • G_WallyHunter

            We were drawing for draft picks, I picked 7th, then all of the sudden the idiot in charge didn’t have all 12 pieces of paper in the hat, so we had to redraw the draft order (the guys who got 1-4 were just pissed).
            I get redrawn #2, AP goes 1, Shady goes 2 to me, and my draft began wonderfully. Ppl laughed at me thinking I was being a homer knowing I was huge Eags fan, JOKES ON THEM

          • GEAGLE

            Same.IM THE Only person from philly in my league, no other eagles fans so they all thought I was just being a homer…
            ..
            When Vick got hurt I couldn’t get FOles cause someone ahead of me on the waiver wire took him, so for me that Dallas debacle was the greatest thing EVER! You know I didn’t bat an eye when he stunk it up against Dallas! immediately all the fools released him and I had no competition picking him up on waivers….Matt stafford has been on my bench ever since lol…anyone else start him against Oakland?

          • G_WallyHunter

            Haha yup, everyone thought I was a homer and discredited the opinion blaming it on being a homer, but it turned out well.

            listen to this Foles situation. The one week I grabbed Terrance Williams and Keenan Allen, it was the week they both started emerging as big sleepers (week 3ish, Julio had just went down on me). My buddy grabs Foles the next week because he knew I wanted him (after NYG game Foles came in and won), makes me trade Terrance for him, so I do.
            I sit Foles for the TB game, grabbed Flacco to start him, Foles lights it up on my bench. Then Dallas rolls around, I start him, he gets me 5 points. Then that Tuesday I dropped him thinking Vick will be back and things will be good. Next thing I know Vick stinks it up and re-aggravates the hammy in NY gets me 5ish pts, I go through that week without certainty at QB, didn’t grab Foles for the Oakland game.
            After the Oakland game my buddy wanted a player from me I paid him 20 bucks and that player to grab Foles at #1 priority and trade me for him (slightly illegal), since then it’s been living happily ever after. A rollercoaster to get him back

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahahahahaha you gotta do what you gotta do man!!!

            Props on the Keenen pick..my Keenen type pick ups:
            1) Julius Thomas right before week 1
            2) Coop after the Giants
            3) Rashard Jennings
            4) got two monster games out of bengals Marvin jones
            5) got 15 out of Bernard pierce the game Rice was injured
            ..

            My MVP is prob the KC defense lol
            ..
            I had Ertz vs. Cardinals…figured if I’m gonna preach all week about how the cardinals are soft a TE and that Ertz would kill them, I should put my money where my mouth is…I picked up Coop as soon as I knew FOles was starting. Their chemistry was evident last year

          • G_WallyHunter

            Lol yup and I had to get Foles back, I kick myself in the ass for not starting him against TB and THEN not starting against Oak. But after the Oak game I just knew I had to have him to win the league (when Vick was my 7th rd pick).

            Julius great grab, and Coop nice and early. I grabbed Vereen in like week 8 and CAR D in week 9 or 10, have saved me. Marvin Jones I hope u had him in for the 4 TD game lol. You drafted KC D?
            nice Ertz move, I’m starting Walker against ARZ because of that.
            Already have shady, Djax, Foles, I don’t want to grab Ertz to start him, gotta stay diversified, as hard as it is

          • theycallmerob

            same

          • Maggie

            The TE’s have been getting a fair bit of attention lately, so it’s entirely possible that they will be completely ignored for this game, just to change things up. With Chip, you never know.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah Rob, I’m not starting bush either…going shady,Gio Bernard, Rashard Jennings,coop,Brandon Marshall, Jordy Nelson,KC defense….best of luck guys

          • GEAGLE

            I’m starting coop,shady,FOles tmrw

          • G_WallyHunter

            Same except DJ instead of coop, LESSSGOOO

          • UKEagle99

            Holy crap 10-15 inches of snow in one day?? I dread to think the state this country would be in if that ever happened here! Enjoy the game ;-)

          • G_WallyHunter

            15 inches from Friday night to now :)
            there were 46 accidents in an hour in the city
            Canadian winter is on it’s way :)

          • UKEagle99

            Thank goodness for the Gulf Stream. The game sucked donkey balls, big time.

          • GEAGLE

            FOles,shady,coop in the semis for me

        • Pennguino

          I have been back and forth with Coop. It is him or Torrey Smith. Torrey is playing against Indy which has a slightly better defense. I have Foles also so I am hoping for doubling up on TD’s with the Coop/Foles connection. Coop had like ten targets last week and is trying to ball out to get that contract.

          • G_WallyHunter

            That’s tough, damn, Torrey has huge upside but crap both of them do

    • addicted2mula

      Clearly this was a joke

  • EaglefaninAZ

    Regarding Harrison’s comments, I don’t see any returns for touchdowns for Minn. I don’t think much should be made of last weeks special teams blunders. Knowing how well the Eagles are being coached this year, I think it was an aberration.
    I’m thinking blowout for some reason. Something like 42-13 Birds.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Agreed on the blowout, high 40s to the teens. This D will make em look silly and the O will also make them look silly. ST coverage should be back to where it was BEFORE the snow bowl, which was superb, any analysts who are trying to say Eagles ST sucks because of that game are just dumb and ignorant, and probably shouldn’t be writing about football.

    • theycallmerob

      Harrison also called us a finesse offense last week. That D-bag can go blow a goat.

      • Rambler

        Why you would insult a harmless lovable goat like that is beyond me.

    • Brian

      You spelled abortion wrong.

  • UncleCarm

    I wouldn’t call Graham a down lineman in this defense. I wonder if Andy Benoit has ever watched an Eagles game.

  • Dr. Killinger

    Lane Johnson is a stud. He will be an All-Pro selection in next year or two.

    • GEAGLE

      You can take that to the BANK

  • theycallmerob

    What if the Eagles don’t take a tackle because Fisher and Johnson are off the board and they know that Joeckel will get hurt? Richardson would be in play, but New Orleans free safety Kenny Vaccaro would be an interesting option considering they need help at safety and he’s another rookie playing a high level.

    Dutch’s Take: As any true observer can atest to, and like I’ve told the philly local hanger-ons forever, there was no greater waste than spending the first 2 picks on a RT and TE. Although Celek is no great player, he was surely adequate to catch the 5-10 yard softballs that the backup Foles will throw the rest of the year.
    Had Kelly informed Howie to the true needs of the team, and maintained objective talent evaluation, there would be no possible scenario other than Geno Smith being our starting QB going forward. It is still clear that his struggles are growing pains, but there is no discernable eye for talent that would say Foles is more likely to succeed in the league. Once Kelly implements the true scope of his offense, it will become clear to those who cannot judge football at this level that Foles is nothing more than a college system QB. Although Vaccaro would have been a nice complementary player, it is clear that our biggest need then and now is a franchise QB

    • EaglefaninAZ

      Gawd… what a car wreck.

    • greenblood20

      Lay off the crack “Dutch”….

    • ICDogg

      well done.

    • BrickSquadMonopoly

      Yo you still talk about this kid? He stopped posting months ago why cant you stop thinking about him?

      • theycallmerob

        Life’s great mystery I guess.

      • G_WallyHunter

        his logic and obliviousness, it’s not something that you can just magically stop thinking about.

      • Richard Colton

        I envy you Brick. You’ve clearly never lost someone important to you. Sometimes it takes a while to let go.
        I love you Dutch.

        • G_WallyHunter

          LMFAO, this will definitely get him back.

          Dutch, you’re a god damn celebrity on this blog now, please come back

          • Richard Colton

            its too built up now. when/if he comes back, half of you jerks are going to try to make him cry, the other half will just troll the hell out of him. Now he’ll never come back.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya, it’s gone past that point. I just want to get his outlook on some things, I’d be very respectful if he did return. Can you imagine the upvotes he’d get holy crap, it would be like the second coming.

            He might just be scared of all the hostility towards him, we should all agree that if he comes back we all welcome back with open arms, no hurting feelings. We don’t need him poking his head out of the hole only to recede forever..

          • Richard Colton

            deal – I’m upvoting him post #1, no matter what.

          • cliff henny

            you say that now, go back and read some interactions posters had with him. can recall agreeing with him, and he’d still end up being condesending t-bag.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Look, we need him back, we all have to make sacrifices.

            I remember I trolled him for 3 consecutive posts, he bit every time, never done that before in my life, I’d love for him to get back so I can get to 4.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahaha did you write Tbag before me? Great minds…

          • theycallmerob

            …yup. at the end of the day, he was still a douche dutch

          • Richard Colton

            yeah. I’ll probably downvote the second one out of spite

          • theycallmerob

            does it have to be one or the other?

          • GEAGLE

            I will protect my whipping boy if he comes back…but I will lend him out to Yous from time to time lol

          • OregonDucker

            I won’t. I prefer an alternative view. It enhances the discussion. Makes people argue their points which I can learn from. I’ve learned a hellva lot from this blog.

          • G_WallyHunter

            But have you learned a hellva lot from Dutch?
            I have, but not football, he was a genius

          • Andy124

            Yes. Yes I will.

          • James Skip Carl

            He’s here with a different name

      • Andy124

        why cant you stop thinking about him?

        Because we like to laugh, dude.

    • GEAGLE

      God i miss him!! I want MY whipping boy back!!! Dutch,please come home!!! I promise I will be gentle

    • GEAGLE

      Could you imagine if we wasted our pick on Geno and then had to watch FOles set the league on fire? Yikes

      • G_WallyHunter

        We would still have Foles? or he’d get traded after Geno picked? That would just be a disaster

        • GEAGLE

          FOles wouldn’t have been traded because teams don’t trade a QB until THEY know what they have in him…but yeah, that woulda def sucked either way..
          ..
          Baldi called Kelce the best center in the NFL today…who are the leagues highest rated centers today?

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya agreed, the rest of Oline makes him look that much better, but ya he’s the General, he’s the one with the coverage and blitz reads, he’s a BEAST. What round was he taken? 3rd?

            LMAO that Center cowgirls took first round, great pick. Dust compared to Kelce

          • James Skip Carl

            6th round

          • G_WallyHunter

            Holy crap, that’s about twice as good of a steal as I thought

    • Mr. Wu

      wait is this a real quote or are you paradying him? either way it’s entertaining

    • anon

      Yall are silly. To think dutch was the only one with inaccurate decisions. How many “why are we switching to 2 gap 34, billy Davis sucks, Cary Williams sucks, nate Allen sucks, Dion Jordan should have been our first draft pick articles / comments were there. No one could have predicted the season. I didn’t want geno but I do think we could have done better than a no blocking te with like 10,catches on the season with our second round pick. For the record I think with time and in the system drops will be a good te but the way you guys troll dudes is sad. Half of you werebt here when we were losing.

      • theycallmerob

        It’s not the inaccuracies, we were all guilty. More the tone and demeanor.
        Also, not sure which no blocking 10 catch TE you’re referring to. Ertz is no vernon davis, but he seems to be the top of this recent TE class. 36-342-3. The draft was BPA. You say they could do better, but there was not a plethora of stud players taken after him in rd 2

        • anon

          That ranks him 30th in yds and catches in one of the best os in the league. The draft wasn’t boa, Howie said that this is an offensive team and so we drafted to our identity (paraphrase). As for studs kilo Alonso came after, do swearinger and others

        • robbinandstealin

          Jordan Reed looked pretty good for the skins

  • djack10

    Watch the intensity these guys show up with tomorrow. I tend to think Kelly has these guys conditioned to take every game to the same level and keep pushing. The Raiders, Redskins felt that. The Vikings are not in the Eagles class and it will be out of hand by halftime. Eagles are putting a hurt on the bad teams which is a sign of great coaching and a team that is playing with the right intensity to do something special this year.

  • Adam

    So the Eagles haven’t given up more than 21 points in the past 9 games, but Minny without AP and with Matt Cassel is gonna drop 27 on us? Ok, Pete.

  • JofreyRice

    Vaccaro or Sheldon Richardson were the guys I wanted them to draft at the time–and people said I was nuts for wanting to take Vaccaro that high. I still tend to think a game changing S has more value than a T–especially a RT–with a pick that high, but Lane Johnson has been solid enough. I guess the real hope is that he kind of blooms as a blindside protector in the coming years.

    Hopefully they make a move on Byrd in the offseason, and we get the best of all worlds.

    • Token

      Agree.

      But for it to be a good pick I feel like LJ must become a very good LT. Probably starting next season. You can see the improvement as the season has went on, which is great to see.

      • Richard Colton

        Can’t believe you’re still trying to qualify the success of this pick Token. You wanted to trade down and take Vaccaro – and you were 100% correct. He looks like a playmaker. But Lane has outperformed everyone taken ahead of him in the draft. Hell, the only reason ESPN had us taking safety in their redraft is because our guy went #1.
        Barring Jerome Mcdougle like bad luck It was a good pick. Lets put it to bed.

        • JofreyRice

          eh, I think the overall success of the team and the offense yeasts Johnson up, somewhat. Johnson has been solid, and has improved from the beginning of the year, but has he been a standout? Hm, tough for me to say that. Is Johnson central to the running game? Not really, he’s a cog. Is he putting people into the dirt so Foles can deliver the ball downfield? I can’t really say that, either. I think the running game, packaged plays, and Foles understanding and decision-making are the source of that success.

          Rob Ryan has Kenny Vaccaro performing a myriad of duties in big spots. Covering the slot, playing CF, blitzing. He’s being asked to do a whole lot more than Johnson, and he’s making big plays that affect games directly. Gotta give him the edge.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol It’s silly to try and measure his value as a rookie, when it’s only the 3rd year he is playing on the offensive line. The kid will be an all pro, I practically guarentee that as long as injuries don’t get in the way…

            I always said that in 3 years he would be in a league above Joekel and Fisher,..for him to already be better, makes him such a grand slam….haven’t people learned about being impatient with our talent yet? I don’t care how great Vaccaro ever becomes! he won’t ever be more valuable than the NEXT Jason Peters, ATleast not to coaches and personel people

          • Token

            Its just tough to have a conversation with you about things like this. Every Eagle is a all pro in your eyes. Theres just no point in talking about it.

          • GEAGLE

            Ok…archive this convo and get back to me in two years….one thing I know above EVERYTHING ELSE is OT!!!!!!
            ..
            This is soooo much fun knowing there are archives to go back and read,,,smh, you think you might have learned by now. Enjoy your evening token. I’m ghost

          • JofreyRice

            It’s hard to keep track of your posts because you’re always getting your handles nuked and showing up with phony ones or alternates later.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahahahahahaha keep reaching

          • JofreyRice

            Reaching for what? How many times have you been banned for having some meltdown or spamming the place with 30 posts on one topic? Answer honestly.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I was banned twice for a total of 8 days for my CHOICE of language

          • JofreyRice

            LIAR

          • GEAGLE

            Why would I lie to you? Lol can you not tel how little I respect you? I was banned once for 1 day, and once for a week…

          • JofreyRice

            you lie constantly. You thought Lane Johnson was a guy we could get in the 20′s in February, now we can bank on him being an all-pro. You’re just full of baloney, pal.

          • Tom w

            I can attest to geagles draft accuracy he was all over lane after dion when so many were hating …. He also was all over Sheldon and star …. Amazing not one nfl gm would’ve taken vaccaro at 4 then and I bet neither today … Good thing the real teams don’t analyze past drafts for 3 yrs unlike the idiot who wrote this article. Vaccaro over lane is laughable when he is your starting ltackle for 8 yrs and a 4 time probowler

          • Token

            Like you said, its fine to be wrong. Ive been wrong many times, we all have.

            But to sit there and literally congratulate yourself endlessly is a bit much.

            His strategy for evaluating players is to say everyone is amazing, and then when hes wrong just hope either people forget or deny it altogether.

            I believe this SN he uses now is different than the start of the season before he went into hiding for a few weeks.

            I remember his love affair with Dion Jordan around draft time.

          • JofreyRice

            didn’t you guarantee that Poyer was going to be a probowler?

          • Token

            And that Bryce Brown was the second coming. As I said, what point is there in talking to someone who just thinks every player we have is going to be a stud?

          • GEAGLE

            Ugh, yeah I think Bryce will be great,still do…what’s your point? Aren’t you done yet thinking young kids don’t improve?
            Then again I’m talking to someone who thought a defense that hasn’t given up more than 21 points in over two months had NO Talent, so I guess this is to be expected

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah sure, good one. Poyer, the kid I TOLD you we would end up with, and the kid who two franchises now thought was good enough to put on the field as a rookie…that Poyer? Is that the best you have? You really think it’s smart to use a long shot pick who has been played as an NFL rookie by two different coaches as part of your argument? Hahaha

          • JofreyRice

            You’ve fluffed so many guys on here it’s insane. Poyer is a good example of how you claim anyone and everyone the Eagles picked is destined for greatness.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, if you are going to come at me, come up with something REAL…I appreciate th 49th,50th player on our roster, and know the importance of bench players, but THAT has nothing to do with greatness…if you want to debate then you are going to have to be real about it???you can’t expect me to adress BS we both know is a lie all night…

            I have proven right, ATleast 500% more then you have. AT LEAST…now youcarecmore then welcome to try and comeback strong next offseason…but when it’s been me vs. You, you have consistently been OWNED..and EVERYONE kNOWS IT…

            You better off just owning it and I woulda stopped whipping on you by now…

            Because I appreciate the 6th CB on our roster and I understand that players importance to a team, you equate that to greatness? Like that’s your best argument? Come on son…run along, you sound silly….the FACTS are that NO ONE who has posted on this site has been more accurate than me..THATS the truth. Not Tim, Sheil, NO ONE!!!! You can hate on that if you want, but if I was you I would tuck my tail! shut up! cross the cyber street when you see me walking! regroup and try to come back strong next offseason. Hi Hater!

          • JofreyRice

            not reading that.

          • anon

            Haha “put on the field”? Poyer was so far on the bench he was in the lockerroom. The fact that we trade trash with cle means nothing since those are the guys who got us 2010. 2011

          • GEAGLE

            No. Just that he would be an eagle, along with Kruger..hahahaha

          • JofreyRice

            Was that before or after you told us to “bank it” that Tyler Wilson would be a top 10 pick? Look, it’s fine to be wrong, you’re not an NFL talent evaluator, but stop trying to auto-fellate yourself on every thread when you have every prospect headed for Canton before they play a snap.

          • cliff henny

            JR, generally i agree with your posts, but to not be beyond happy with jl, is a surprise. we need to remember where eagles were 6 months ago. no idea who was coming back healthy, and needed a pretty sound pick with huge upside-early oline have highest degree of success rate, if i recall correctly. they could have gone alot safer route-lane being raw, but a safety at 4, i would have run up to novacare center and punched howie right in the mouth (just got done watching smokey and the bandit). also, why i have tough time comparing dbs from team to team, it is such a dependent position. obviously if eagles took vaccaro, he wouldnt be playing/used the same way. why i’m wondering if byrd will even be in-play, have to see how kelly values safeties. reid had his linebackers.

        • Token

          Sorry.

          The guy is just starting to look like a player at RIGHT TACKLE in the last few weeks.

          For the #4 pick in the draft I want more than a solid RT thats all.

          Like I said, I want to see him become a very good LEFT TACKLE in order to say the pick was great.

          I would have picked Vacarro at #4 over LJ even. A good safety can have a bigger impact on the game than a good RT IMO. Taking tackles that high is just not something I like doing.

          The fact is LJ isnt anywhere near great yet. Not even what i would call VERY GOOD at RT. But hes showing improvement which is great. Still needs work in pass pro especially.

          • GEAGLE

            You would have…no NFL personel people would have tho lol

          • Richard Colton

            You know I love outside of the box thinking, but taking a safety top 5 is like taking a guard top 5. You had better get the next Brian Dawkins or else. Is Vaccaro that guy? Not yet. Still a good call by you.
            But come on – LJ looks like the cream of the ’13 OT crop. It was a good pick. I’m sold. If he becomes a probowl LT, great. If (for whatever reason) Chip keeps him at RT and he becomes an All Pro there, it was still a good pick.

          • Token

            Theres just not many good safeties period. I think its a key position now. And theres little talent to go around. As years go by, the common thought of not taking a safety that high will probably fade. The game has changed. I will take a great safety over a shutdown corner in todays NFL.

            I dont feel like im downing LJ. I hope he keeps on this track and becomes dominate. And like JR said, if we sign Byrd this offseason then its really a win win.

          • Richard Colton

            You’re right. just so hard to project college to pros for DBs. Is it me, or do more 1st round S/CBs seem to bust in the last 5 years or so?

          • theycallmerob

            When I brought this up, one of the other regulars showed the breakdown. It’s not too skewed towards early round busts; the thing is, they have a pretty wide bust rate across all rounds (whereas other positions are more likely to produce starters in the first few rounds more consistently).

          • GEAGLE

            I think it’s more of a case of them needing a lot of time to get comfortable in the NFL…take dre Kirkpatrick for instance, everyone called him a bust, but he is starting to figure it out…you know, I am NOT a fan of drafting CBs early..

            If you draft a CB in round one, you almost have to expect a few years of some serious growing pains…if I have to wait YEARS for a player, id rather wait til the 4th round…

          • theycallmerob

            You’re hung up on the right/left thing. It doesn’t matter much in today’s NFL. There are good rushers on both sides, and teams constantly move around their defenders anyway to take advantage of matchups. Plus, when LJ was drafted, he was protecting the blindside of Vick.
            He had almost no experience at OT; he was picked for his ceiling. It still remains the highest of any of the tackles. He stepped into an untraditional scheme and has performed well from the start, showing constant improvement.

      • JofreyRice

        Definitely a mauler in the run game, which is nice to see. Not horrible in pass pro, but still a work in progress, as far as understanding how guys are trying to set him up. A lot of positives for a rookie playing T, even if it’s on that side.

        I don’t know if they pay Peters to stick around. He’s been good, but I still don’t think he’s quite what he was. Is he worth 10m? If they’re just going to bank that money against the cap, I’d say they should pay him, regardless. If they cut ties, we’ll get to see Johnson in the role of premier franchise T, which is really what he needs to be.

        • Token

          Getting rid of Peters is a bit tough since the line has seemed to gel more.

          But I would let him go.

          Picking a tackle at #4 tells me they think he is capable of being a top flight LT. So why wait?

          The problem then is we would need a solid RT and RG. As I still think Herremans needs replacing. The line has to start getting new blood in there. Hopefully Mathis can keep it up a few more years at LG.

          I dont think Peters is what he was, didnt expect him to be. And really, it just always seems like something is bothering the guy physically. I just see a steep decline coming for him, id rather cut bait before that happens.

          Its really gonna be a decision for them to make. They are building around Foles now. So you want him to have a great line. Should be interesting.

          • GEAGLE

            Sorry, playoff teams don’t let Jason peters walk

          • Tom w

            Yea I had to reread that a bunch if times to let his comment sink in. What is he so scare of? Peters has played well this year why is he so excited to get him out the door and play lane there … Lane is still learning. Only played tackle for 1.5 yrs before eagles. Silly to get rid of a top 7 left tackle.

            And see how good Logan and Thornton and cox and curry are playing thank god we didn’t take Richardson and instead hit on Johnson who the guy said would go first if they redrafted today. That pick made us better at two positions remember tackle and guard. And no way in hell do you draft a safety like vaccaro at 4 in that draft. He wasn’t even rated as high as berry or Thomas who didn’t go that high.

            Wasn’t this the same guy who cried how bad the oline was and how old herramins and peters were and injured it was saying we needed an olineman at. 4. I believe everyone wanted and olinemen at 4 except dion followers unless we preferably could have traded down and taken star or Richardson which I wanted to do.

          • theycallmerob

            Picking a tackle at #4 tells me they think he is capable of being a top flight LT. So why wait?

            You answered yourself in the next line: The problem then is we would need a solid RT and RG

            So just because we draft LJ #4 means that he has to be moved to the left side by year 2, thus forcing Peters out the door? I’m sure if Kelly and Stoutland see Peters getting better (as he is further removed from an injury with long recovery time), he’ll be worth the 10mil. LJ is still growing into the T position overall. No need to create additional problems to justify the talking heads and demands of the draftniks.

          • Token

            Id rather LJ grow and adapt to the left side now rather than wait 5 years. But if they decide to keep him there so be it.

          • theycallmerob

            I’m not advocating 5 years. It would be no more than 1, likely. Peters is getting better after popping it twice, at OT. He was an exceptional athletic freak before that, no reason to think such dominance would return immediately. Suggs and Ryans are both looking better and better the further removed their injuries.

          • JofreyRice

            Pretty much agree with you completely. It seems there is a lot to be said for the chemistry these guys have built. Peters at 85% of what he was pre-injury is still a solid tackle.

            It’s really just the pass-pro that Hurry-man gets killed in every week. He was really impressive on the two McCoy TDs. If they can get through another season with him, maybe they can develop a young lineman to replace him in the future.

          • ICDogg

            That’s a dumb reason to let Peters go. LJ will almost certainly replace him at some point, but what’s your rush?

      • GEAGLE

        LJ is going to be an all pro at some point. Take that to the bank…All pro OT is drastically more valuable then an all pro safety….I don’t even get how this is being debated….what are the most valued positions? QB,LT,DE/OLB…we got an all pro at one of those positions…..GRAND SLAM!!!

  • Justin

    We haven’t allowed a team to score more than 21 points since week 4 yet Pete Prisco and Elliot Harrison think the Minnesota fucking Vikings are going to end that streak? I want to know what exactly makes them think that.

  • Tom W

    Flashback or Flashforward … this other navy seal’s philosophy may have really took hold of the eagles ..

    http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/07/24/kelly-brings-in-navy-seal-to-address-players/

  • GEAGLE

    Screw “what THEY are saying”!!!
    IM saying, Eagles go BOOTS to ASSES tomorrow and don’t lose another game this season..put THAT in the BANK!

  • GEAGLE

    Btw, just LIKe I SAID. LANe is better then both Joekel, and that silly fool Mike Kaye’s Eric Fisher lol…as if THAT twerp knows what a stud baby lineman looks like!!!
    ..
    Kaye is poor mans gonzo lol and THATS not a compliment

    Love how stupid the idiots who disrespected me look today.

    • Token

      you wanted Dion Jordan.

      • cliff henny

        few really want an OT,seriously who sits around talking for months about tackles, it’s not fun or sexy. i liked Dion too. was flip flopping back and worth, saw value in both. know when miami called jordan, i was extremely happy to get johnson, cause my common sense not fantasy football talk kicked in. has this gut even played 50 games at tackle yet? really crazy to think where he was 15 months ago and where he is today.

  • cliff henny

    can tell you what TV networks thinks of eagles. down in SC, panthers play at 4, so local fox had it’s choice of nfc 1pm games, they picked Eagles. flexing bears and if bendoverboys games means anything, that’ll be flexed. nice seeing eagles be in spotlight

  • AZ_Eaglesfan

    But where are all the Vick fans doe?

    • addicted2mula

      Right here! Hope he is our back up next year

  • Gary

    Anyone have a way to get to the Birds 24/7 podcast? Whenever I click the link they sent out it takes me to the 97.5 Fanatic iTunes page but Tim & Sheil’s podcast isn’t on the list.