The Matchup: Eagles Vs. Vikings

NFL: Detroit Lions at Philadelphia Eagles

The Eagles punted four times and turned it over once on their first five possessions last week against the Lions.

After each series, when the offensive players ran off the field and towards the sideline, assistant coaches were waiting for them with questions.


They wanted to know what the conditions were like, why certain things weren't working and what the Lions were doing defensively.

"You don’t even need to wait until halftime," said guard Todd Herremans. "We get enough breaks during the game where you come off the field. We had a lot of stuff that was based off of the speed of their ends rushing upfield and penetration of their tackles and stuff. We thought we would be able to take advantage of that, use our speed to our advantage. But obviously during the conditions, they just kind of slowed everybody down and it just became more of a power/downhill game."

The players let the coaches know that they were slipping, that the Lions' front four wasn't getting upfield, that it was difficult to change direction and get to runs which required a certain degree of lateral movement.

And so Chip Kelly and his staff decided to implement some changes. Kelly is not a patient man. The adjustments started about midway through the second quarter. The Eagles found that their inside zone running play could be effective. They could push around the Lions' front seven, and LeSean McCoy could find running room.

"We’re all talking," said guard Evan Mathis. "There’s a lot of communication amongst the coaches and players on the sidelines and the box. We’re all very open about what we see. We’re open about what we think will work. They take that for what it’s worth and put their minds to it and figure out what’s best for us to do.

"Chip’s very good at figuring out what the defense is doing and how to counter."

The Eagles ended up rebounding from a 14-0 deficit with a 34-point second-half explosion. While they have had some issues closing out games, the Eagles are sixth in the league in second-half scoring, averaging 13.4 points per game.

While last week's adjustments came during the second quarter, halftime is when Kelly really gets time to talk to his coaching staff and figure out a plan of attack. He meets with the offensive coaches for four-to-five minutes and then the defensive coaches for the same amount of time.

From there, coordinators Pat Shurmur and Billy Davis address their respective sides of the ball, Kelly offers a brief message, and the position coaches hammer home the finer details before the start of the third quarter.

"He doesn’t really say anything to us until we go back onto the field," said DeSean Jackson. "The last minute he gives us a little chat. But Pat Shurmur’s the one that’s really going over the adjustments. They go in the room and talk, present it to us, basically tell us what we’d like to do and what we’re gonna continue to do throughout the game. From there, we bring it up, and Chip gives us our little message, and we go out there and just put it together."

Looking at the entire body of work through 13 games, the adjustments have worked well. The Eagles are averaging 6.8 points per game in the third quarter. That's tied for second-best in the league behind only the Denver Broncos.

Players stressed that dialogue is encouraged on the sideline in between possessions. Last week, Cary Williams, a defensive player, provided Kelly with a suggestion that worked out. But apparently, there's nothing unusual about that.

"I think what’s good with him is we’re constantly making adjustments," said tight end Brent Celek. "Not just at halftime, during the game. If you see something in the game that you think we can take advantage of, you go tell him and he takes it. As players, guys really appreciate that. You can go talk to him, say, ‘Hey this is something that I’m seeing.’ And he’ll look at it, he might do it."

In their final three games, the Eagles face the Vikings (27th-ranked defense, per Football Outsiders), Bears (19th) and Cowboys (30th). While ultimately it's up to the players to execute, the guys on the field are confident that their head coach will come up with a plan that works.

"You’ve got to have answers for when they adjust," said Jason Kelce. "His ability to do that was legendary before he got here and continues to be good. He’ll find a way eventually - plus or minus a couple of games. That’s been huge for us."

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  • Richard Colton

    how I feel

    • Chris

      ITS A TRAP!!!

      • Eagle in VT

        It’s funny you say that. It certainly has all the trimmings of a trap game but I somehow get the impression from Chip that he has a process he follows for every game, no matter who they are. (I’m pretty sure i read that but can’t put my fingers in it) I think that kind of systemic preparation wards agains fulling victim to such traps.

        • Chris

          Agreed, has all the makings of a trap game, which Reid would have fallen into, but I feel like Chip is too prepared to lose these types of games. If we lose, it would be because we were simply outplayed. I was just simply quoting Admiral Ackbar :)

    • theycallmerob

      “Defeat team, we will. Overcome trap, we must. The day, we will win”

      • Chris

        please tell me you created this. this rules

        • theycallmerob

          I can’t even show you the original image, the actual logos I covered are too reprehensible for a philly blog.
          Like most things in my life these days, I’m obliged to give credit to google image search.

          • Chris

            fair enough. If anything, you did the world a favor by changing this over to our logo. A true American hero!

          • OregonDucker

            Another one for my pic bank! Thank You.

            Now I am looking for an opportunity to post my Fletcher Cox gif. It is amazing!!!

          • theycallmerob

            obliged. I trust you’ve added McCoy’s HOF exhibit?

          • OregonDucker

            Did not see the actual exhibit pic. Please post again for me.
            Thanks.

          • theycallmerob

            Will put it up on the “Three-And-Out” post from the afternoon:

          • OregonDucker

            Thanks!

      • Richard Colton

        I’m trying to log out so I can upvote this as a guest too

    • Max Lightfoot

      Brilliant, Richard! I always love the admiral’s flappy rubber hands. My son does a good imitation of that famous line.

  • G_WallyHunter

    “While last week’s adjustments came during the second quarter, halftime is when Kelly really gets time to talk to his coaching staff and figure out a plan of attack. He meets with the offensive coaches for four-to-five minutes and then the defensive coaches for the same amount of time.

    From there, coordinators Pat Shurmur and Billy Davis address their respective sides of the ball, Kelly offers a brief message, and the position coaches hammer home the finer details before the start of the third quarter.”

    Holy mother #*&%ing crap

  • Chris

    The best coverage in town, winning football, ALL-22′s, GIFs, the most intelligent board of commenters i’ve ever seen (excluding a few outliers). What a time to be alive!

    O-line has to keep playing at a top level this week to handle Vikings Dline, our D should be able to handle Vikings O without AP, but can’t overlook these guys – they have played WELL in every game i’ve watched this year, they just can’t seem to get the W. That Ravens game last week was one of the craziest things i’ve ever seen, that should have been a win. Here’s hoping for 6 in a row!

    • G_WallyHunter

      Upvote for your first paragraph there, AMEN TO THAT BROTHER.

      • Chris

        I love going through other sites and seeing the people that comment and just think to myself…thank god i don’t have to read that crap every day.

        • Sig

          I agree, you can’t get one comment in with out someone attacking another poster or getting off topic. I love the insight the fans on this site bring. It adds to the awesome content that Sheil and Tim produce everyday.

        • EaglePete

          yup, I can barely go elsewhere anymore let alone read comment sections just ripe with hyperbole. Somehow this site has managed to avoid that and I have no idea how. The writing being great usually doesnt mean anything in terms of who comments and how. I guess enough sane posters here to shout down and ridicule that stuff fast enough for it to stay away. Ill count our blessing on that one for now.

    • Rambler

      Exactly. I used to seek out any sort of updates/information on the Eagles from national writers and bloggers, but no more. I actually despise reading blowhards like Peter King and Gregg Easterbrook now, and do not even waste my time. It simply is no comparison to what Sheil and Tim churn out on a daily basis.

    • Justin

      In regards to those few outliers, you notice how several well-known names have disappeared now that Foles is continuing to dominate?

    • JofreyRice

      I’ve been reading Sheil since his moving the chains blog, and he’s made a good thing better with Tim, here at 24/7. There is just no better Eagles source out there.

      • theycallmerob

        true, but I’m constantly amazed at the quantity of quality blogs. Sometimes against opponents I don’t know well (like MIN), I’ll google the team and read up on some local writing. Hands down, our collection wins every time- 24/7, Tommy and IgglesBlitz, 700 level, Kempski and the Red Zone (bEast was great), Brent on Rewind, Saltveit joining the crew at BGN from time to time, the new chipwagon…..we’re just so spoiled.

  • Will

    Love how Chip entrusts his Football team, talking with the player’s getting their input, going for it on fourth down, 2 point conversions, long passes, staying with the run game…Chip “Chess” Kelly is gutsy I like it…update Chip’s is 8-5…

    • Adam

      “… did I remember to shut the oven off… yes.”

      • Will

        LMAO…

      • G_WallyHunter

        HAHAHAHAHA
        “so if I add Lane over to the left side, unbalanced, then a bubble can go this way”

  • PaoliBulldog

    One of my college professors served in the Office of Strategic Services during WW2 and told a story about how he called a battlefield commander with some inside information that he had obtained. The officer replied, “We have no need for intelligence.”

    I guess Chip looks at the world a bit differently.

  • Brian

    Love the no sleeves mantra. My wife asked me why they weren’t wearing them and I told her they had to man up in the snow. Spot on it turns out.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    I disagree that the Eagles think they can find someone with Riley Cooper’s skill set elsewhere. 6’4 receivers with amazing hands, long-ball tracking ability, blocking prowess, and high football IQ do not grow on trees. To opine that the Eagles shouldn’t pay him market value (which should be whatever the best #2 receivers in the league are making) is to put undue weight on one terrible off-the-field comment he made five months ago. I care about his production on the field, and that has been consistently strong since Foles became QB and started throwing it to him. I don’t see Maclin winning his job back because Chip won’t want Jackson and Maclin, two weak blockers, on the field together. Maclin’s had similar numbers in 2010 and 2012 as Cooper is on pace for, but with 50 more targets in those years. If Maclin wants #1 receiver money, he’ll have to go elsewhere. I don’t hate Maclin by any means, but he was never a burner (4.45 speed compared to Riley at 4.52) and has no shiftiness. He’s a smooth, polished receiver, but come off a second ACL tear, he’s the one we should let go.

    • BirdGang

      Really? You would rather have Coop over Maclin? I say we use all three of them…but Maclin and Jackson should be the starters.

      • Broadcasting Wisdom

        If Maclin wants #1 wide receiver money, I’d rather have Cooper. I don’t know what Maclin gets you that Cooper doesn’t, so I’d rather have the cheaper option and spend money elsewhere. I don’t see a scenario in which all 3 are on the field at the same time unless Maclin wants to play in the slot (which I doubt).

        • Aran

          I highly doubt Maclin’s going to demand that. I think he’s itching to get on the field in Chip Kelly’s system and knows he has to prove himself.

          • Adam

            That’s not a safe assumption to make. Too often I think fans think like this. These guys have a short career in the NFL, and with 2 ACL tear’s Maclin’s career might be shorter than most. Winning is great but money is a huge huge priority. He’ll chase the paper if he doesn’t get what he wants here.

          • Aran

            I get what you’re saying, but it seems so far that most of the speculation is of him demanding money and walking away. Saying “too often” isn’t warranted, then. Conversely, I think players with past injuries, especially 2 ACLs KNOW that they’re injury risks and that their best bets are with their current organizations if possible.

          • Richard Colton

            How does Maclin get anything other than a one year show me deal from a team? He’ll have been out for a year. And Cooper? He was 2 freak-preseason injuries away from getting cut before game one. Not to mention the off season stuff, which won’t necessarily scare teams away, but certainly will keep them from overpaying. Think we get both cheap, if that’s the direction they want to go.

          • theycallmerob

            Like the pre-season Foles trade talk, I bet KC is a team that would offer Maclin a larger deal, even if incentive-heavy.
            Who knows how the guy even recovers? I get ACLs are kind of no-biggie these days, but even losing a step or two may hurt him. Maclin wasn’t the most talented guy to begin with, just did a lot of things well or very well. Speed was one of those.

          • Richard Colton

            can you imagine if that was Philly? We start 8-0, then flame out in round one of the playoffs, and our “Big” free agent pick up was a WR coming off a major knee injury? Sounds more like Ruban Amaro or Banner than Reid. ACLs are very tricky, like you said. Might take him a season & a half to get back. Maybe never.

          • theycallmerob

            and our “Big” free agent pick up was a WR coming off a major knee injury?
            Ha, I think that sounds exactly like Reid! If only Maclin was undersized, Reid would show up with the suitcase full of money himself.
            But seriously, I’m just saying that of the two I’d think Maclin would get higher offers in FA (barring health issues). I get the arguments for both, but I think we all tend to forget that the NFL is full of really stupid people. Like media guys, some front office staff may not buy into Kelly’s offense and see Riley as nothing more than a scheme product. Maclin at least has history of pretty good production in a more traditional offense, if you will. And I think Riley’s summer antics may play a role, not necessarily in other team’s likelihood to make offers but in his desire to stay here where comfortable, even if that means a bit of a discount. And there are always teams that would rather fix through the draft and scratch that lotto ticket, especially with so many 1st-2nd rd WR talents this year.

          • Adam

            Maybe, but maybe not. Maybe Cooper gets a Brian Hartline type deal from some desperate team. I’m not saying it’s likely but I’ve seen crazier things happen.

          • Richard Colton

            Ha! Maybe put him on the Pats with Gronk, Edelman, and Danny Amendola and have White Receiver Day in Foxboro.

          • BlindChow

            Or a Laurent Robinson deal…

          • Adam

            Damn, I forgot about him. Did he retire?

          • cliff henny

            if he gets 75% of hartline, think thats fair. 4yrs, 22m, 8m guarenteed over 2 yrs.

    • Adam

      Cooper is a good player without a doubt, he’s stepped up huge and you could do a lot worst than him as a 3rd or 4th WR. But I don’t think he’s dominate by any means, and if we had a dominate possession receiver opposite DJax this offense would be near unstoppable. The way Foles plays the game, he likes to get the ball to an area where he gives his receiver a chance to make a big play. Him and Juron Criner did some pretty crazy things in Arizona. Mike Evans is my choice, and I’d even be willing to trade up for him.

      • Adam

        and I’m not saying upgrade for the sake of upgrading, just not willing to throw big money at Coop.

        • southy

          Agreed. Maybe the most sound approach would be to try to re-sign Maclin to a reasonable deal (gotta feel bad for the guy, but that’s life) and if Coop wants to chase $, let him go for it. We should be grabbing a WR we like in the draft in any case.

        • aub32

          That’s easy to say, but then what other alternative is there. Teams overpay for mediocre guys, and the Eagles are no exception. We know the guy can play. He’s also so young that age doesn’t even enter the conversation. If we decide not to pay Coopper, then what will we do? Reach for a WR in the draft? Count on Mac to be at full strength at the beginning of the year? What about depth?

          • Adam

            Who says we have to reach? This is an extremely deep class at WR, and there is also free agency. You don’t have to take one in the first round, there are guys in rounds 2-5 that going to be able to push Cooper for a starting spot. Cooper is good but let’s not pretend scheme doesn’t have a lot to do with it. Depth is the key word here. You pay Cooper to be depth and compete for a starting role. He’s not special in any real way and he’s not irreplaceable, and with his off-season debacle the Eagles are in the drivers seat when it comes to his negotiations.

          • aub32

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t there guys with better measurables than Coop in TC. Where are they? If it’s all the system, why didn’t they come out and produce. Sure we could go through FA, but we are going to overpay whomever we bring in. By all means, please name someone that we can get in FA that will be an upgrade over Coop that we won’t have to overpay?

            As far as reaching, sure we could get a 3rd-5th round pick instead of Coop, but what if they stink. How can we be sure they will produce? Look at my lower post where I point out several guys who I would definitely take Cooper over. And they were 1st and 2nd round picks.

          • theycallmerob

            I agree that, IMO, there are no real better options in FA. I think the draft is the only area where players are brought in with a real chance to compete with Coop for snaps.
            Really curious to see what Kelly values in this draft. Last year he was still getting the staff and scheme set, and there are plenty of placeholders.
            Does he really value DBs, and we’ll see a new CB and S come in? Looking to upgrade ILB or OLB to help with the rush? Interested in an even bigger NT? (I hope this is lower priority, I like Logan, unless the 1st turns into Hageman). Or, the opposite…does Kelly look to develop a killer offense by grabbing some OL pieces, maybe another bruising RB, and upgrades at WR?

            Last question for the class (Cliff, you man know this): should Coop continue to play well and have a nice year stats-wise and leave us, do the birds get a compensatory pick based off this season’s performance?

          • aub32

            I think hold on to Coop and resigning Mac would solidify our starting offense. IMO the only upgrade that would be necessary is depth and O line. Both of those may come in house as we still have Barbre and Kelly for the O line and who knows what Kelly thinks of some of the backup WRs (DJ2, Benn, etc.)
            ….
            I think the defense can be upgraded easier than the offense just because of the fact we have holdovers that don’t exactly fit the scheme. I think Cole will still be here next year, but we can bring in someone that can split time with him and eventually take over. I honestly believe Byrd will be an Eagle. So picking up a pair of CBs and and LBs seems like a good move. We need competition for Kendricks, and someone to grume to takeover for Demeco in 2-4 years.

          • BlindChow

            I think we know what he thinks of DJ2.

          • aub32

            Sorry old habit. I meant Brad Smith.

          • bill

            Yeah, now that you bring it up, Smith is a bit of a wildcard in this discussion. They’ve worked him into the offense pretty quickly – it’s obvious Kelly likes him quite a bit.

          • Adam

            Guys with better measurables in camp? I’m assuming you’re referring to Momah. Who was an undrafted guy who hadn’t played football in a year and wasn’t really that good to begin with. He was always a long shot to make the team. Well there was also Benn and Maclin, the guys that were supposed to start ahead of Cooper before they got hurt. The only other guy I can think of is Will Murphy, who was basically brought in because he knew Chip’s system.

            Over paying is a relative term. There’s a difference between giving a talented player a big contract and giving a guy more money than his talent is worth. I don’t have a ton of interest in going the free agent route anyways, but Greg Jones, Anquan Boldin, and Nicks are all guys that could command big deals but are more talented than Cooper.

            If you can figure out a method to be sure a player will produce in the NFL then you’d be a rich man. But that’s why we’ve got scouts and a personnel staff. Like I said earlier, I’m not looking to draft someone just for the sake of change, but I’m not interested in paying Cooper big money. You offer him a decent contract that will allow him to come in and compete for a starting spot, but you also look at bringing in a younger kid who’s cheaper with a higher ceiling. Even if you go defense in round 1, there are 10-15 guys that will go rounds 2-5 that I believe are as good or better than Cooper, and have higher ceilings.

            My point isn’t to get rid of Cooper at all costs. It’s being realistic about his talent and what he’s worth.

          • BlindChow

            Salas, man. Salas!

          • Adam

            Dang, how could I forget!

          • aub32

            Then we disagree what Cooper is worth, which is fine. Boldin is over the Hill. Have you watched him during last and this regular season? He has a good game here and there but can no longer get separation. Last year he had 4 TDs in the regular season. This year he has 5 TDs. Keep in mind he played with two QBs that were in the SB last year. I think Coop has shown that he is worth good #2 money, and I’d rather pay him over bringing in someone else. Plus his being here would ensure we wouldn’t “need” a receiver in the draft and would have the ability to stick with going for the BPA.

      • southy

        Coop works well in this offense because he likes to be physical and fight for balls. I think Maclin’s a much better receiver in the conventional sense, but might not do as well in this offense. On the other hand, I’m confident that there are plenty of physical receivers out there that are faster and run routes better than Coop.

        Also, I hate grammar police, but the fact that you used it twice leads me to believe you’d appreciate knowing that the word is “dominant”.

        • Adam

          I’m going to chalk that one up to auto correct.

        • Richard Colton

          “Dominate” is Canadian for Plaxico

          • Chris

            Not sure if you watch “The League” (i’d recommend it 100%) but one of my favorite lines is

            He Plaxidentally shot himself

    • Weapon Y

      Or we can be greedy. Spend money to keep both Maclin and Cooper, and then draft a legit #1 receiver in the first round. It’s hard to get Chip’s offense to go up another notch, but that would be one way to do it.

    • aub32

      I think you are forgetting how much scheme matters. Maclin was putting up good #2 WR numbers under Reid. Imagine what he could do under Chip. Also, Jackson isn’t the best blocker, but he does give plenty of effort. Seeing how much the rest of the team has bought in is indication that Mac would do the same. He’s not that small. He was just over 205 before the injury, if I’m not mistaken. That’s a good size that can block well enough. Personally, I would like to see us keep all 3 so that we can mix ‘n match with Mac and DJax having the skillset to play both outside and inside. I do think that not trying to get Mac back would be a mistake.

      • EaglePete

        Totally agree, Im a Maclin fan, dont get a lot of the ridicule he gets.

        • cliff henny

          the falling down without contact, and he does gater arm way too much for how good he is. i think he is well above average recr, and i also get the ridicule

      • bill

        Only 2 reasons I can see them walking away from Mac this offseason:
        1. Concern over his durability/injuries. Chip supposedly values durability, though this is possibly tempered by his belief in his sports science program. This is probably going to be very dependent on medical exams, etc., that we (the general public) won’t be privy to.
        2. Some desperate team out there seriously overpays. I doubt this happens though, as the combination of the “fad” of bigger receivers combined with the supposed bumper crop of such in the draft means that not many teams are likely to be that desperate for Maclin. But I guess Andy and the Chiefs could do something surprising.
        I’d love for the Eagles to resign both Mac and Cooper to decent deals for 3ish years (with the big cap hits being next year and 2015) and draft one of the bigger WR projects in the early mid rounds. But at this point, I trust this FO no matter what they do this offseason in this respect. They’ve earned some trust at this point.

        • theycallmerob

          ^ this.
          With his injury history and production, he’s not worth top-tier $ to the eagles right now. Not to say I don’t want him back; just don’t think we should get into a bidding war.
          And you’re right, I would not be surprised at all to see Reid try and go after him in FA. Even if teams go hard at Cooper, he is far less likely to get the $ that Maclin would see. Dunno if Howie and Kelly value them enough to keep both without heavy home-team discounts.

          • jabostick

            I think best case for both might be a short-term ‘prove it’ contract for Maclin. Gives philly a good price and a longer look at hime. Gives Maclin a familiar place and (assumably) favourable offense. If he bounces back and has a great season, he could test free agency.

            There’s no incentive for Philly to overpay. With what Cooper is doing, Philly might be a really attractive spot for other WR’s

          • UncleCarm

            I agree with the attractive spot for other receivers. There will probably be free agents who want to come here. Does anyone have a list of who will be free agents this year?

            I was glad to see Cooper come to the Eagles, but disappointed for most of the time he was here. I think he would be stupid to leave Philly, but I guess money talks.

    • Scott J

      We also have Arellious Benn. He’s bigger (6’2″) than Maclin (6’0″), BUT, just as injury prone. I’d like to see both of these guys back next spring.

      • Adam

        Zero faith in Benn. Even when he’s been healthy, which was for like 13 minutes his first two years, he was a an average STer and below average receiver.

        • BlindChow

          Yeah, but so was Cooper…

        • southy

          I remember watching tape of receiving drills in August, particularly seeing Momah out there, finally understanding why it is that tall, fast guys can still suck at playing WR. You really need some agility and ball skills or even smaller DBs are going to make your life miserable.

  • Soybot

    Based on the comments from several of the veterans regarding Chip taking their advice, I get the feeling that they are leaving unsaid that Andy didn’t listen to them much.

    • Will

      Or Andy never asked…

    • jabostick

      They had a thing on NFL Countdown the other week about Chiefs players going up to Andy and suggesting plays and adjustments and they loved how he took their advice.

      I think Andy was just burnt out here. When your excited and full of energy, it’s much easier to be receptive (or come across as receptive). Doesn’t nullify your point but I think it’s not a criticism of Andy Reid, it’s a criticism of “2011/2012 Andy Reid”.

      • jabostick

        Having said that, I don’t think Reid’s strength was ever in-game adjustments (though he was mostly a very good game planner) while Kelly seems very comfortable changing things on the fly. I’m sure they cater to their own strengths accordingly…

        That first page of this post is super interesting. Even Kelly’s organization of his halftime routine seems so in line with everything else he does/preaches with practice setup, etc. I find Kelly and his approach fascinating

        • readoption

          Agreed! It is easy to see why all of the Oregon fans got so obsessed with him

        • Adam

          It’s pretty amazing, and near impossible to argue with results. Love it.

    • Bedrock

      Westbrook said as much on Eagles Extra

  • Adam

    Not a bad game for Williams to sit if his hamstring is tight come Saturday. Not worried too much about their passing attack.

    Playing in a dome, there’s no excuse for kicking to Patterson. Don’t let the kid touch the ball, and with AP out that’s pretty much their biggest threat gone right there.

    • BlindChow

      The way we kept kicking to Ross over and over last game, I wouldn’t hold my breath…

      • Adam

        I’m hoping weather played a factor, and although I’d normally worry about banging heads and walls, I have faith in Chippah!

      • theycallmerob

        Rock beats scissors, fire beats plague, and dome beats blizzard. Bet Henery got some extra protein in this week’s smoothie. Can’t see Kelly looking at the tape and going “boy, what a fluke”. Cordarelle is one of their only weapons left on offense.

        • cliff henny

          kick pop ups or just shank it OB. ponder isnt going 65 any more often than 80. only way this game could be lost, unless we get a reid’esque no show, is 2 non offensive tds and 3rd in automatic fg range. gift them 17.

      • ICDogg

        OTOH maybe that is something they looked at and decided to do something about for this game.

      • bill

        Footing might have had something to do with that decision, too. I think the problem was execution by the coverage teams – they were trying too hard to compensate for the conditions and got out of position. Honestly, I’m not worried about the STs for this week. Patterson is undeniably good, and may even break one, but I don’t think STs is going to be as big of a deal in the dome as it was last week.

      • EaglePete

        Henery stinks, offseason upgrade in order

        • Maggie

          Really? Who do you have in mind?

          • Johnny Domino

            Bring Kickalicious to camp, just for spits and wiggles.

  • ICDogg

    I’m still hoping to see a follow-up done on the claim by the Detroit Lions fan that he was beaten by six Eagles fans following the “Snow Bowl”. I still doubt the legitimacy of his claim as to what happened.

    A couple of details emerged: first, the guy making the claim is 33 yo Pawel Gorzelewski, who co-owns the Architeqt hair salon which is on Washington Square West.

    Also, Barry Sanders apparently is sending him an autographed jersey.

    He did not receive medical treatment the night of the attack, and refused to go to the police station to report it. Two detectives later went to his home and so a police report was filed, and that’s how his name became public.

    http://articles.philly.com/2013-12-11/news/45038771_1_eagles-fans-broad-street-line-jerri-williams

  • Sean

    Too soon to start talking about the outside shot of getting a BYE and #2 seed?

    Birds winning out combined the NFC south leader having 5 losses would put the Eagles at #2. Both Car & NOLA would have a worse conference record if that were to happen, giving the Eagles a shot at getting a bye.

    I know A LOT has to happen before then, but not too far-fetched.

    • Chris

      Why not us? I think it’s within reach. Yes, we do need a few lucky breaks and obviously would have to win out, but the stat they posted about our opponents D rankings (27, 19, 30th) for the last three games makes me a little more optimistic that it can be done.

      • Sean

        I don’t doubt the Eagles will win out… We just need some help from the Rams and Jets this weekend!!

      • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

        Ah ha! My “Why not us” mantra lives! Love it!

    • Adam

      I just can’t see NO losing to either the Rams or the Bucs, especially knowing that they can can get that bye with 2 wins.

      • Sean

        Yes… I guess this weekend will tell us with NO @ STL… If they are going to lose 2 games, it’ll be the 2 outside the MB superdome (@STL @CAR)

      • Maggie

        Not sure too many could see Peyton losing to San Diego. but it happened. Complacency maybe?

    • ICDogg

      IF the Eagles win out, there is about 10% chance of getting the 2 seed.

  • cliff henny

    14 yrs of Andy Reid absolutely blowing trap games, or allowing for letdowns when having some room for error, has me worrying.

    • ICDogg

      Getting complacent about what you think you have in hand is human nature, and it is a constant fight to overcome that tendency.

      • cliff henny

        occassionally, yes. but reid’s was like clockwork. didnt need to be a tealeaf reader to see the clunkers coming. half of me knows Kelly is different guy, has players focused…but, old habits die hard

    • southy

      take a deep breath cliff. Andy’s in KC now, where the barbecue flows like wine. try to imagine all the jaded bitterness melting away from you like the fat in a slow-cooked briskett, while repeating “Chip Kelly runs things now” and “Conch shell during practice”… breeeeeathe…

      • cliff henny

        southy, i’ve tried and tried. it’s like dating a girl for years and you get used to all the crazy stuff cause by and large, it’s pretty good. start getting serious with another, you know she’s not this great, everyone has their issues, but not quite sure what her’s are exactly. all you can do is go thru the previous GFs, and prep for something…cause it’s coming!

  • ICDogg

    As to Maclin: I am not sure he would be as good in this scheme as some think. I think too often he shies away from contact, and in Kelly’s scheme, that is not what is needed.

    So yes, I would rather re-sign Cooper, if it came down to that choice, especially considering the investment required.

    • EaglePete

      I think a lot depends on demands but I think both can do well in the system. I think Maclin would buy in, everyone always does when youre winning. Question is who is more valuable for the price and who do they draft etc

    • BlindChow

      I would definitely prefer they re-sign Cooper than pin their hopes on a draft pick coming in and making up that production. Maybe Cooper is a product of Foles, and anyone could flourish as the #2, but I hear about so many teams perpetually looking for that second guy (Houston, Carolina, etc) that it would be a shame to gamble and guess wrong. There have been a bunch of WR busts in the draft (even in the 1st round) and free agency, so nothing is certain.

      My guess is they quickly get a contract worked out before free agency starts, and it’ll be a team-friendly contract that Cooper is pleased with.

      • Richard Colton

        Foles is so good, he makes everyone around him better.

        Just felt good to type that.

        • GEAGLE

          Let it all out brother…no need to hold back, you are amongst friends lol

      • cliff henny

        get your point…but then what is the draft for? cant continuously resign players because you are worried they can be replaced in draft. i’d understand saying that about shady or jax, but not cooper. he the exact type guy that good teams that stay good seem to always find.

        • ICDogg

          I expect they’ll get a WR at some point in the draft.

          • cliff henny

            shoot, i want 2, get a beast early for out wide, get slot guy late. huff out of oregon is 6th, campanaro out of wake is 7th.

    • OregonDucker

      Because Chip loves Coop, so he stays and will be paid well. Chip has honor and will send a message to all players what he wants.

    • Aran

      DJax has also shied from contact, but at least Jeremy has some more under the pads.

      • Maggie

        DJax has thrown down quite a number of blocks this year, AND made some plays across the middle. Are you still living in the past?

        • Aran

          I said the word has. That’s talking historically. Do you not understand English?if you’re trying to contend that D Jax has historically been one to go over the middle and engage then yes we Have watched two entirely different Eagles teams since he has first come here. Are you suggesting that you want us to call Desean Jackson a physical receiver right now? Yes he has improved but that is still a stretch

        • UKEagle99

          To be fair a lot of players have re-invented parts of their game. Who is to say Mac wouldn’t do the same. I dont get everyone being so quick to write him off, I for one would love to see what he could achieve under Chippah.

  • southy

    Foles absolutely needs to come to his next presser in a giant fur coat and sunglasses now.

  • Justin
    • cliff henny

      yeah, but where’s his wallet?

      • Justin

        Good question. Personally, I don’t care about re-signing him. I’d prefer we drafted, if not a Megatron or Fitzgerald, than at least a Nicks or Cryant.

        • Adam

          I was of the mind that it was defensive playmaker or bust for 1st round in the draft, but now I’m leaning more and more towards receiver. I want this offense to put teams to shame.

          • cliff henny

            it really depends on where eagles end up drafting. 10-11 wins nfc east title, think it almost has to be safety/cb or wr. that 20-35 spot seems to be a dead zone for olbs. good news is, it picks right back up and should be inline with 2nd or 3rd to get olb.
            .
            best part of this draft is going best available player should work within needs.

          • GEAGLE

            I Dunno man…we could end up seeing Van Noy, Beasly and Murphy all go in that range…depends, when Mack comes off the board..if he is drafted 8-11 then it very well could be a dead zone for OLB…but if he doesn’t come off til 15-18, then the guys I listed should all fall in that range..
            ..
            Think a safety other than Dix goes round 1?

          • cliff henny

            i dont like beasly(shocker, clemson guy…wouldnt think i’m big tigers fan nowadays either), he gets mauled on running plays. is vannoy the rush olb 12 sack guy? or more like barwin, which is great, but a later in draft guy to be developed-and isnt long being ps’d? i do flip flop on murphy, feel like he might be a step slow. like on johnson, his rawness had me worried till i heard miami call jordan, and i was extremely happy we got lj.
            .
            not even sur dix is 1st. could easily be talked into corner.
            .
            waiting week to week for games ispainfull, i cant even imagine from after the season till draft day.

        • aub32

          Talk about the grass being greener. Nicks is no better than Mac. Nicks has played 8 more games. He has 50 more catches on 100 more targets than Mac. Also he has 1 more TD than Mac. So I don’t see why resiging Mac would be a bad idea. Sure we could reach for a receiver early in the 1st or 2nd, but you can ask how that worked out for SF (AJ Jenkins), KC (Baldwin), or my personal favorite Mr. Height/Weight/Speed for the Jets (S. Hill)

    • southy

      Standard response. Any agent worth the hair grease dripping from his forehead will tell you to act like you love the team you’re with until you’re with someone else. Unless maybe you’re a big name and in a Fitz type situation.

  • cliff henny

    Moose is doing the color. another game i watch on mute

    • G_WallyHunter

      Dammit, seems like every game this year’s been moose or lynch, crap and crap, at least next week is al and Chris, they’re great compared to those other two lol

      • GEAGLE

        Much rather have Lynch than Moose…moose is so bad

  • Rj Kelly

    I hope we keep Cooper. He’s one of my favorite players. Imagine a healthy Maclin, Cooper and Jackson together. Maclin who has the speed and catching ability, Cooper who is a big possession guy, and Jackson who is slowly developing into a complete player. Combine those three with McCoy, Celek and Ertz. You can put basically anyone anywhere.

  • Andy

    This game will be a good test of whether this team is consistent enough to take advantage of an inferior opponent that is banged up or whether they will play down to the level of the other team. If it’s the former that bodes well for the playoffs.

    • GEAGLE

      Totally agree. Playing down to your competition is human nature…the SERIOUS teams VICTIMIZE inferior opponents…I like a let down test like this before the playoffs. I expect this to tell me more than the Chicago game

  • JofreyRice

    Squib kicks, yo

    • cliff henny

      have henery do 90 degree smash out of bounds. really worried about ponder going 65 consistantly?

  • Tom W

    What they do at wr w Cooper and Maclin and Benn and the draft really comes down three things … fit, money, and ability.
    Cooper fits best if you look a the wr models chip used at Oregon. Big tall physical wrs who can block and run and catch or uber fast little guys who can make people miss. Can’t teach height and size. His performance is “system” and qb based … Foles will force it to him and let him make a play. Cooper knows this. He will take what the eagles offer him … modest 4-5 year deal because Foles ain’t coming w him and this lockeroom is atleast somewhat on his side vs having to win over other teams and their qbs. If someone overpays, we can look at Eric Decker, Nicks (no), or one of the 3 big talented wrs in the draft. not worried. Cooper will understand who butters his bread.
    Maclin isn’t all that big and he certainly isn’t physical. Good player but often injured and really disappointed last year along w many others. Never really hit his prime bc of all the weird injuries. Doesn’t fit as well in the Chip System as say a cooper or djax. If he wants to do a prove – it one year deal or non-guaranteed little upfront longer deal, that’s fine w me. Whose to say he won’t stink for a year after surgery like alot of wrs after surgery. And I dont think anyone is going to overpay for him. May offer more years, but not laurent robinson money.
    Benn will be lucky to come back. Too bad he can’ t stay healthy.
    This draft is loaded deep w wrs …. and big wrs and little fast wrs … WR is probably going to be a BPA in the first, second , or even third round. But seeing as how Cooper developed in this system, I wouldn’t be suprised if Chip could find another Cooper in the draft in the 3d or 4th round and mold him.

    • jtre

      Don’t understand all of the Maclin hate. How is Jackson a fit but Maclin isn’t. Cooper was very close to being cut from the team but all of a sudden he’s better than Maclin? Maclin and Jackson would be perfect for this offense

      • ICDogg

        Not better than Maclin but quite possibly a better fit.

      • Tom W

        Cooper fits better, plays physcial, can block, foles trust him and isn’t coming off an acl.
        Maclin isn’t physical at all and cannot block worth a damn. Doesn’t have elite speed or elusiveness or RAC like djaz and will be coming off major knee surgery.

  • ben

    Kelly is a listener, always seeking ideas. Great communicator and great mind. Eagles will win out.

  • Travis Papa

    I don’t understand how everyone can sit here & say Maclin isn’t a fit for this scheme or that guy. Foles wasn’t a fit & neither was Cole or graham. Bring him back at what he’s making this yr to rehab for 1yr maybe 3mil. Try to resign cooper in 3yr 10mil 5 mil guaranteed. Get Byrd if they can. Draft bpa all day long. It ain’t rocket science

  • Johnny Domino

    ……. don’t expect Foles to all of a sudden show up to a press conference wearing a fur coat and sunglasses with a model on each arm.

    I’d buy the sunglasses to see that.

    Would make a heck of a parade outfit.